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Start Me Up: Jody Hamilton · Start Me Up with Kimberley A. Johnson

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  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Start Me Up podcast part of MSW Media in the sexy liberal podcast network.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Kimberly Johnson in DC.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Today my returning guest is the effervescent Jodie Hamilton.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We love Jodie.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so excited to talk to her today.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we have lots to talk about because it's Jody, but before we get into it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like my online journal where I get a little more personal, and I talk about whatever's on my mind.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, please enjoy my conversation with Jody Hamilton.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to the show, Jody.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for having me back, Kimberly.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's the effervescent Jody Hamilton.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's one of my colleagues.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so happy we're doing the show because you and Greg Oliar are like you're easy like Sunday morning.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I just recently include Brian Keram and the easy like Sunday morning crowd.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I love him so much.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Did you just see him?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I did.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We had him on our show, the politics bar.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the public.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That was going to talk about that in a second.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We had him on our show a few weeks ago, and then he was a guest when Lonnie and I went to go see how sparks.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, that's what it was.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I got to meet him in person, and then Lonnie got to hear his Rodney Dangerfield.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he did all the impressions when we wrote the sexy liberal in January of this year.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He was doing a documentary, and it was supposed to be on Trump's first 100 days, but then I guess it's gone beyond 100, so whatever.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, he was interviewing everybody, and he interviewed Bob, and so it was so funny because he brings Bob into the room.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was there while they were doing the interview, and he kept doing all of his impressions
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's just such a goofball.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I love about him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's so goofy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's a smart guy and all the accolades and all the bona fides.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But what I love about him is just a freaking goofball.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he loves him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I love him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He just makes me smile.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he does.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's awesome.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: OK, so let's talk about the politics bar a little bit because you have nothing on my show since you've been hosting this.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So let's just talk about it in some of your guests.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You have some awesome guests.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, um, I had you, of course.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the most awesome guess, of course.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just awesome.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, ever.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Kimberly Johnson.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we have our regulars Brooklyn dad to find it your boyfriend, Bob Cesco, who would be speaking with in a few hours.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the John Fugle sang whose new book.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: separation of church and state.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody should buy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then Karen and Anita Karen from Chicago and Anita from San Antonio who have true blue politics.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They are our regulars.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but sides those guys.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We had a little person that I call mom on the show.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: a little person called Carol Burnett.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she was our first kiss.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's really cool.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it was really nice of her to do it by the way, because she needs to do that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've had so many people go, can she be on my show?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, no.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I was lucky to get around mine, you know, so no, what you are her daughter, so that's kind of.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was helpful.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I had it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You just had the politics girl on yesterday.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, judge.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Jers.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We've had Brian Keram, like I said, Harry Littman, Barbara McQuay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you got all the big names.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you got all the big names.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you got all the big names.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you got all the big names.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you got all the big names.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you got all the big names.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It appears that we will have Martin Sheen and Renee Estevez.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, hold on.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I was just informed yesterday of your brunch with Mr. Sheen.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But while your brunch is, I'm sure really interesting and fascinating to you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What was fascinating to me was about one of his children, Renee, that you told Bob.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she was like, no, I've listened to, I know Starb because I was showing her my podcast, you know,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, no, no, no, I know that show is to start me up.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She goes, yeah, yeah, I've listened to that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, that's my friend Kimberly.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fucking insane.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, Bob, well, first of all, we're watching the Charlie Sheen documentary right now.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We've only watched the first one and we're going to talk about that in a minute.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, he comes out of his office.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, hey, guess what, Renee Estabes is like, listens to start me up.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, oh my god, oh my god.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure she's going to listen to this episode and then email me going, oh my god, I can't believe I'm being mentioned.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, that's such a, it's such, so anyway, let's, let's just talk a little tiny bit about your brunch with freaking Martin Sheen.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was because, okay, so what has this happened is he's doing a new podcast, which involves poetry and his So Renee called Travis bone of the Stephanie Miller show and she said, I don't know how to do a podcast
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And Travis goes, hold on, can I call Jody because she's been doing it forever and have her get in touch with you.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so Travis called me and he goes, is it okay if I give Renee your number and I said, of course.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I got on the phone with Renee who's adorable and such a sweet lady.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I met her once before but it was a brief meeting.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so...
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I was chatting with her and I said, look, there is one media company that I trust because they're above board, transparent, and let you do whatever content you want to do and you own it, they don't, and I said, MSW media.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And she said, would you hook me up?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I said, oh my god, so I'm going to be posting his podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: you are.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I emailed Allison and Canine, I said, is it okay if I give Renee Estevez your email because of her doubt.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Show and she and Allison goes, oh yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You could read the phone book and I know.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And with that, but no, I mean, and now it's it's just been so lovely because so the reason that I went over there was because first off,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I need to give you some backstory.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: When I first met Mr. and Mrs. Sheen, I kept calling them Mr. and Mrs. Sheen.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And Janet Sheen kept saying, no, call us Janet and Martin.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I can't do that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not how I was raised.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I just can't.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we text each other on occasion.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And she texted me about my Aunt Julie, Julie Andrews.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And my mom, and she says, oh, okay, then just call us Aunt Janet and Uncle Martin.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I can do that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, wait, hold on.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Your aunt is Julie Andrews.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: She's my mom's best friend and I just call her and kill it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so, but still okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like so she's actually Andrews.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, she's my aunt, you wait.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she's kind of.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: known or forever.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, my mom did not go to my wedding reception that I didn't pay for it because she was going to my Aunt Julie's 80th birthday party.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like whatever lady, just because you've known her longer than you known me, whatever.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But no, I mean, no, so, so it's uncoverting the nanny on it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so when I was talking to Renee, she goes, my mom and dad want you to come over sometime because they haven't seen you in a while.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, and so we texted back and forth.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, how about Sunday?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, can I bring my husband if he's not doing a car show thing?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, absolutely.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So 1130 was the time.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And we figured we'd be there until about one or two.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We got there at 11.30 and we left it for.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We were not only fed breakfast but lunch and offered dinner.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they were so cute and literally I just emailed Renee about Allison and can I being thankful that I hooked them up in Yadayata.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, she's like, you know, you can move into the guest house any time.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They're home as a beautiful ranch home in Malibu.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They've lived there since the seven days.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same house.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If you watched the Charlie Sheen talk you, all those home movies were shot at that house.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I've got a little story about that in a minute, too.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that's kind of it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just, I mean, he told him this Uncle Martin, Mr. Sheen, it's so hard for me to say that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He told us a story when Emilio just had finished the outsiders.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And he goes to the top gun guy moved in with us and we both went Tom Cruise he goes yeah he had no place to live at the time because I mean he wasn't a big star yet.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right after the outsiders remember everybody the biggest stars were Ralph Machio has happened Swazian Diane late at Diane late.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: and that was it right and see Thomas how was on his way up.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I mean, everybody else in that movie, who became big stars, were kind of just up and coming.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so Amelia was like, can my friends stay with us for a couple of days?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And sure.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then he stayed for like two months.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's insane.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so two things and I've told this story before I probably told you, but I don't care.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you again, and it's very quick.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, back, when I was a kid, I watched all these TV movies and one of, you know, there was a whole bunch of them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, back in the 70s and one of them was called Sweet Hostage with Martin Sheen and Linda Blair and so this movie was about he abducted he was kind of crazy and he abducted Linda Brought Blair and he took her up to and at the time I think she was just 15 or 16.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So there's like so many people she was doing Rick Springfield at the time, by the way, just wow interesting.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So so.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Then, you know, he abduct her and then she falls in love with him and then the police find them and kill Martin Sheen and she's really just upset.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I saw this movie as a very young girl and my mom and I had got, well, I think this was like in, I don't know when it was, George Bush was president and my mom and I went to some anti war demonstration.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There was Martin Sheen so you know, so go look there's Martin Sheen and then so as we were getting into our cars We were right next to each other and I rolled on my window and his window was down and I said I love you and sweet hostage It's like all the movies.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's been in all the movies.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he just was so cute and he waved
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but so I want to go.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk a little bit about the Charlie Sheen thing, but before we do, what's so fascinating to me is at the very beginning as you mentioned, they talked about, you know, the fact that Martin Sheen and when Charlie was growing up and everything they they weren't crazy wealthy.
• 11:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: they just had a regular, yeah, they just had like a regular blue collar life.
• 11:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so they were showing all this footage and I don't remember who it was who was narrating, but they were saying that at that time, which was probably around 1979-ish, that, you know, Malibu was that blue collar town and everything, and I was hanging out there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So it was like a blue collar, it wasn't, I mean,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There were definitely people who had money in Malibu, but a lot of it was just like the blue collar life by the beach.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And so my girlfriend at the time, so this was 1979, and so I hung out with this girl in the call, and her mother was with this man who was a construction guy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And he,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I remember like I think the first place they lived because I spent a lot of time there at that time when they were all you know Charlie's three years older than me So in those movies those home movies that they were making that was right around that same time Oh, yeah, and so it's like I was spending so much time there and it was so interesting because there was this one shot and it's really nothing But it was stripped me out, but one shot in the documentary where all the boys were in this house that was being constructed
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And so, like, here they were in Malibu in this house that was being constructed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And so, when I was in Malibu, right at the exact same time, the property that my friend lived on was, they were living in a, you know, like a trailer, because her mom's boyfriend was like the form in or whatever.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And so, they were building this mansion on the hillside.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So he just lived in a trailer right there, so he could be there all the time.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, God, it was like, that was our playground.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We used to go run around in this, like, you know, million dollar house being built.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and then I also living there, Nicole's parents were friends with Lee Lockneing, who was the trumpet player for
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Chicago.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I used to hang out at Lee Lockney's House all the time.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I just think it was like, you know, those Malibu days for me.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't live there, but because my best friend did, I spent so much time there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just such a trip to watch that documentary.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But so have you have you seen the whole documentary or have you ever watched both episodes?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And Heidi Flyce is a mess.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so as Rebecca I believe was once of one of Charlie's exes.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: a mess.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I've only seen the first one.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then Lonnie didn't recognize Denise Richards.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my mom, my mom was like, wow, she doesn't look the same.
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, we all age, so I don't know she had bad work done.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She just, I mean, they show stuff of her when how we know what she used to like, yeah, if you don't watch the household, it wasn't she a housewife of something.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It
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  [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't look like her.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, you know, she's had her lips have been done and her hair, all this stuff, and it's just sad.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Heidi Fleish, man.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Heidi Fleish looks like a fucking mess.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't mess.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She's, I mean, the birds in.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's a little walk.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a problem with all the birds.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't run with her, like looking like a mess head.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she don't really does and then Rebecca I believe is her name blonde x-wife I think of Charlie's she's on it.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think in the second episode and Mark my words You're gonna get the same opinion about her it's like she was looked we were watching it the first time going oh no She's high
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
• 14:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So high right now.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like you cannot say she's not high.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that Emilia and Martin didn't do it is fine.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and there's Martin said to the producers use any and all footage of me talking about my son.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And same with Emilia.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They were both like, do what you need to do, but we don't want to be involved in that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I can understand that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I can totally understand that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and, and, uh, Ramon did his, you know, brotherly thing because he's the biggest brother.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, with Sean Penn, though, he, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like, dude, seriously, you need to quit.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to die.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little worried about him because he's, he, I've heard, I've, you know, in the last several years whenever he's been interviewed, he's very shaky.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: His voice is a little shaky and I don't know, but the guy, well, I mean, he constantly has a cigarette in his mouth and yeah, he's sad.
• 16:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's, I mean, obviously, I mean, cigarette addiction is, I know.
• 16:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's harder to quit, by the way than heroin, to let all y'all know, and I quit it, thankfully, 24 years ago.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But no, he, though, he gave the, the, the, the doc, a little gravitas.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sort of Johnny Cryer, who you interviewed.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I love him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was just lovely, it's an interview with so sweet.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to say that everybody who listened to the John Cryer video was just like, wow, he's so chill and that's, you know, he's just super nice, super nice and super friendly.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a sweet, sweet man and I mean, I think he wanted to tell his story because he didn't want anybody else to tell their story.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't see that baby girl.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, I mean Sean Penn talking because he's known Charlie since there were kids they hung I think lived in that area of Malibu when they were children.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they grew up together.
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean there's their shots of Chris Penn falling out of the refrigerator that was just by.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: The other day so it's like.
• 17:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was Chris and Sean.
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing that.
• 17:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, but Sean, I think what he said in the doc was important because he wasn't giving Charlie any passes.
• 17:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, dude, the man was fucked up and we hope he stays sober kind of thing, you know, because I'm on him for 50 years at this point.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, I mean, you know, I mean, by the way,
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Sheen family, the nicest humans on the planet.
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's just kind of the vibe they give.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I've always had this thing about Charlie Sheen.
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think especially since he was doing the Tiger Blood and the winning and all of that, there was just, I, you know, somebody posted on social media that that was a cry for help.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And either people were laughing at him or laughing with him.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember understanding, you know, he was really messed up.
• 18:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I never had any negative feelings about him.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: know that he's made some very bad choices, but as he says in the, you know, tiny, teeny, tiny, little spoiler from the documentary and it's very tiny.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he just says, you know, everybody talks about they prepare you to fail, but nobody prepares you to succeed.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like the, if, you know, if you fail, try try again, he's like, but what if you succeed on the first time because he did, you know, the first movie that he did just went insane and he became instantly famous.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you could take a look at somebody like Julia Roberts on a similar thing happened to her.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: even though she was in a couple of movies before pretty woman, I mean she was in still magnolius.
• 18:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So she definitely, you know, I think she was nominated.
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did she win?
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember if she won.
• 18:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: She might have won the Academy of Award for that.
• 18:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: But pretty woman.
• 18:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did she did?
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she went for pretty women.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but I mean, she's one of the things about her, though, is she was catapulted into fame at a very very young age and she was able to kind of take on that role of movie star in a in a way that she remained in the
• 19:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Spotlight she remained America's, you know, one of America's favorite actresses.
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so it's like, but Charlie, unfortunately, was unable to do that and, you know, I know there's there's the Sean pens.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's the church.
• 19:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 19:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's the Emilio Emilio Emilio.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, if I'm just going to go with men, and then there's the women, Jody Foster started this young child.
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he can go on.
• 19:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: John Crier was young.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Molly Ringwald.
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we can go on and on with people that broke shields.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, we can go on and on with people that struck gold.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: We were way too young to deal with it.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Charlie was 18.
• 19:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't 12 like broke.
• 19:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 19:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and so it's like, and he was living in a family that understood that already.
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, he just didn't take the information.
• 20:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not sparraging him at all.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's just observing.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just looking at what he did.
• 20:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 20:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't, he didn't understand how fame was, which is probably because his parents shielded him from it.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Most likely, that's the only thing that makes sense to me is like, there were such good parents that they shielded their children from their dad's fame.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was shielded to a certain extent, but it was on weekly.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, my mom showed us on every week.
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like you couldn't really hide that.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm almost nine months old until I was 11 and a half every week, you know.
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I kind of had to deal with it differently than maybe Charlie would have had his dad been on West Wing maybe.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: when he was a kid, it might have been a different experience for him dealing with the fame of his dad and then going, oh wait, hold on.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is what you deal with this, because his dad is like the most humble, nicest, sweetest, laughed at my jokes yesterday.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, he's so cute.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: On the planet.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I cannot wait for everybody to hear his podcast.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: They haven't titled it yet, but as soon as they do, obviously you will know first.
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's so cool.
• 21:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's going to be exciting.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be great because he is just first off a great storyteller.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to be about stories and these poems that he's reading that relate to him.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's going to be, it's unique.
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, do you think people listen to it?
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: probably I told her and I said, there is going to be a chance for you to make money.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's called a mid roll.
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: She goes, what is that?
• 21:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the middle of whatever he's talking about, it's fine to place to stop talking and you get the money and she's like, oh, because they don't know about this exactly the mid roll.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's so sweet.
• 22:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a mid roll.
• 22:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the money maker.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: The pre-imposed are great, but mids are the thing and I'm like, you're gonna have to find a place for breath and you just take a break Can I will help you through it?
• 22:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love tonight.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what I'm talking about?
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't he?
• 22:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he puts up with my stories, too.
• 22:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whenever we have to talk, I'm like, oh my god, and it's happened and that happened I'm sure he's just like, I don't give a shit shut up, generally, but he's super nice about it The first time I saw Caniah's name, I thought Caniah was a woman.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Me too
• 22:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: because it says you're Hawaiian lady girl name.
• 22:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, dude, okay.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he turns out that he's like the nicest person that's ever lived.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: He just played.
• 22:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's so sweet.
• 22:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love him.
• 22:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's just the best when we got back on MSW media.
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had to learn a new thing.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's screened, shared with me and showed me his stuff.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just, that's what I emailed to him and Allison yesterday.
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I said, thank you so much for taking Nen René's show.
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know they really appreciate it.
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll come out here and take care of him and he goes, oh, that's so sweet.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then Allison goes, I'm so glad I know you.
• 23:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like,
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's happy to be involved.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they are, but since you mentioned it, it's a perfect time to take a little break so we will be back after this message.
• 23:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, this is Kimberly, the host of the show you're listening to right now.
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm not the best at promoting myself.
• 23:31
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• 23:35
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• 23:39
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• 23:43
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• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we're back, mid roll.
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: See?
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, mid roll.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: We love you.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't always do it, though.
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have a tendency to forget.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I remember.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because with our show as you know, we have breaks.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that's easy.
• 23:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's much easier.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's much easier.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I have to kind of break up the whole moment time to do it, but, you know, I'm not, I'm not even that I don't make tons of effort for all of you listening.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not like the big money maker on the mid role, but, you know, if that's okay, I do this.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a labor of love and, you know, I was talking to my patrons the other day about I've been having this issue because ever since the election, you know, I didn't really
• 24:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: focus on politics for the first several months of the year because I was in shock and I was in just it was upsetting as in morning.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of things were upsetting.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: So now, you know, I am back into it, but what I and this is what I told everybody I see all of my peers ascending in that like a lot of people are going over to Substack and they're doing substack lives and you know,
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever, people are doing more and more and it's funny because I've kind of been doing less and less and it's all a choice I'm I'm making the choice But at the same time, I feel like my contemporaries are kind of ascending past me and I feel left behind But again, it's my choice.
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not I'm not complaining
• 25:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It just feels weird, because I don't want to go that way.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to do lives on Substack.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I frankly don't, it's like, I'm trying to follow that inner voice that, you know, do what you want to do and do what you love.
• 25:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I started doing that manifesting podcast, and I've stopped, and I may go back to it.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I will go back to it at some point, but the reason I stopped was because I felt like I was not
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: kind of, how can I explain?
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, okay, when it comes to that particular subject about manifesting things like that, I am not concise because it's very difficult for me.
• 25:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me just put it to you this way for the last basically six years.
• 26:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've immersed myself in listening to near-death experiences, analyzing things that have happened to me, trying to figure out who we are and how it is that we manifest.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I've come to these conclusions.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if I tell you, oh, well, here I have this conclusion, you know, I see it this way.
• 26:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: If I explain that to you, I feel the need to explain why I see it that way.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, you know, it's
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I literally have listened to at least a thousand near-death experiences now.
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then again, it's my own history going over things that I couldn't explain, happening, listening to people I trust with the same issues and experiences.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like when I try to express myself,
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I get so overwhelmed because I feel like I have to explain everything and I just, I feel overwhelmed by doing it.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of halted that and I really do think that since I've stopped doing it, I've evolved even more into understanding more about it.
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like I don't want to give information that's not really helpful to people.
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I've just halted it.
• 27:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like in all these areas of my life,
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I've slowed down, and everybody else is just like, sub-stack this and podcast.
• 27:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have my podcast, but you know what I mean?
• 27:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's a weird feeling.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not me complaining.
• 27:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not feeling sorry for myself.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just odd.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been in this world, and I've been, you know, keeping up and keeping up and keeping up and then I was just like, I don't want to keep up anymore.
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel it.
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then I see everybody else going and I'm like, but, so it's this weird thing.
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: When I told Renee the other day that I started my podcast in 2009, she dropped her job and she's like, what?
• 27:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had it for almost 15 years.
• 27:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
• 27:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I started doing Stephanie Show.
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had my show for 15 years.
• 27:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so now I'm back on the radio, which is we are terrestrial as well as on a podcast.
• 27:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And um, but it's like, yeah, I had a show for 15 years because what?
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I said, oh, and it's just Sean and me.
• 28:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have editors, we don't have, we have lovely Kimberly and we haven't been so in the media to help promote the show.
• 28:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But other than that, it's just Sean and me.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he he records the show in DC.
• 28:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: We do it via Zoom, that he does it at his house and then sends everything to our radio affiliates in segments and then I do the podcast version of it because I record it here and so I sent it to MSW media and I send the commercial free version to our substock people because we do have that and so it's like we're both doing it, he does the bulk of the work on the website by the way, it's heavy lifting.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: there.
• 28:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully we have applied for some grants.
• 28:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that would be great.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hopefully we'll get enough money to like hire somebody to do, take some of the workload mainly.
• 29:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the guest booker mainly.
• 29:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sean does book a little bit, but I'm the guest booker.
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have shared Jacobus next week.
• 29:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sharing friend of the show.
• 29:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to meet her.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she's a little, I mean, I say that about everyone because I'm six feet tall.
• 29:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're a very tall lady, but, I mean, I'm, we're trying to get Jeff Tidrich on.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I emailed him and he's like, I can't say it on to you because I listen to you on the Bob says she'll, but I'm terrified to be on the radio.
• 29:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like,
• 29:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Seriously, and so I have this phone number now, so I'm like, I'm gonna text him and go, Jeff.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, come on.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be It'll be yourself.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Come on, but I come on, but everybody wants to hear you now.
• 29:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: You've been I know, it's just, you're kidding me.
• 29:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was so cute.
• 29:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I can't say no to you, but that's so I can't say no to you, but I'm terrified to do it.
• 30:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Are you kidding me?
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's the best pundits out there.
• 30:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
• 30:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for me, it's so funny because when I was growing up, I always talked on the phone.
• 30:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was just like a phone person.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, I met this girl when I was working, I was in like my early 30s, and I was doing fragrance modeling.
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we were friendly at work.
• 30:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And whatever, I moved to another store, and then I saw some time later.
• 30:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, hey, do you like to talk on the phone?
• 30:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, sure, and I was like, well, here's my number.
• 30:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like, she turned out to be one of my, and I like to call them phone friends, which is like, primarily on the phone.
• 30:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: We lived in the, she lived in Los Angeles, either than Los Angeles, and we almost never saw each other, but we talked on the phone constantly.
• 30:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny because now that I'm, you know, in the situation that I'm in, I have a boyfriend, I have, I work from home, I just don't have a, I don't do that anymore.
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: The way I do as I podcast, which to me is almost the same thing.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's like, you know, even though I'm not on the phone with you, that's I don't see you see I like the podcast where it's not video I prefer audio only just because number one I never watch podcasts ever
• 31:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, but apparently people do.
• 31:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some people do, and some people like it.
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if I'm going to listen to a podcast, it's because I want to go clean, I want to drive, I want to have something to accompany me during some kind of mindless task.
• 31:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I don't need to see their faces.
• 31:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, with headphones on, I just don't need to see it.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I mean, I don't like it.
• 31:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if you like it, that's great.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't care.
• 31:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't bother me.
• 31:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and Sean wants us to go video.
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, he's been recording us video-wise.
• 31:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, no, I'm not doing it.
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I was like, I need to figure out a different way to put my computer because right now I'm looking down.
• 31:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that doesn't look good on video.
• 31:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like,
• 31:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have to, like, and I don't wear makeup, but you know what, Allison is doing her podcast now with Midas Touch.
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: She does substock life.
• 32:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: She never fucking puts on makeup and I really love this because, you know, Pam Anderson has started this whole movement.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: She didn't start it.
• 32:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: She didn't start it.
• 32:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, she didn't start it, but she's known, like, widely now for a relationship.
• 32:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: She needs to start it that.
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but she's carrying it on, right?
• 32:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so, I think, yes, and she's kind of introducing all the women to like, hey, we don't have to do this if we don't want to.
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't want to like, shame anybody for wearing makeup or not wearing makeup.
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just what you want.
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: But there is this feeling like you have to wear makeup, and you have to make yourself quote unquote presentable for the camera, where, you know, because like Bob,
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, I hate being on camera.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hate being on camera for a variety of reasons and it's funny because I used to be an actress, but I hate it.
• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And part of it is just because it's like, it's time consuming.
• 33:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have to arrange the room I'm in.
• 33:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have to put all my makeup on and I don't have to, but I feel that need to.
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And especially because like my skin is uneven and I have dark circles underneath my eyes, I don't love, I can look okay without makeup, but I mean that, the, it's, on the video, it's just going to pick up all the things that I
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like time consuming to do video and I just don't want to do it, but I don't really understand like people like it though.
• 33:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like yesterday when I was called in at the last minute, literally, to host Stephanie's show.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, because she's got she's got it.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was not the COVID.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was the flu shot.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Trust me.
• 33:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was the flu shot.
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: The same time.
• 33:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was when she told us her symptoms.
• 33:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, that's my code.
• 33:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a flu.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm.
• 33:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I was on my way because I know how far the cameras are from everywhere and like I don't wear makeup.
• 33:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I used to wear makeup when I first started going on her show 10 years ago.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just stopped and like why am I bothering?
• 34:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody's been really seen me that close.
• 34:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So why do I care?
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I stopped wearing makeup years ago.
• 34:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so yesterday, no makeup.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: drive over there, boom, my glasses are, you know, huge.
• 34:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 34:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Harris, a skew, and I needed to buy it and all that stuff, but I know, I stopped giving a shit about that a long fucking time ago because I'm 58 years old.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Woohoo!
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Know what?
• 34:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care and it was funny when we were leaving Uncle Martin and Aunt Janet's house as we're walking to our car Uncle Martin goes you guys look like a 12.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I say it's all the good work I've had done
• 34:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he laughed and I'm not going to deny I have had a face lift and I'm not going to deny any work I've had done I had my boobs enhanced and then not enhanced me made bigger I had I had boob I had a boob job in 1993 It made they went from a small B to a small C and then in 2009 I had those removed
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I needed to breast lift after that because right.
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I've had them bigger smaller and a lift and then I didn't get a face lift 10 years ago.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a little over 10 years ago.
• 35:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I highly recommend it if you can afford it.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I thought Ricky Lake, you know what?
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ricky Lake was on a, I think, I think she was on that show on Bravo with Andy.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: That show is.
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she had a, I was like one of the lower facelifts, you know, for your bottom half of your life.
• 35:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did, I did, I basically did it not quite just a neck.
• 35:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was the lower facelift is what I had done.
• 35:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and she said that she named the doctor, and she's like, I've told on my phone, and she looks amazing.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 35:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she told all her friends, you know, go to this guy.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I saved the video in case I ever got California and decided to.
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like my doctor, Nazarian, I think is his name.
• 36:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember it.
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was, he did what I wanted.
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't go to his height.
• 36:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I looked just younger.
• 36:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, friends of mine that made forever.
• 36:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, no, you look like you.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just younger.
• 36:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: How long did it take you to recover?
• 36:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it was a week.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not bad.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: We had, he put this thing in that was drainage.
• 36:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have to have a lot of stuff on my face.
• 36:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: He put this like drainage thing that drained and that was interesting.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then when he pulled it out and I'm like, is it gonna hurt?
• 36:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: He goes, did that hurt?
• 36:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he just pulled it out and was fine.
• 36:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was mainly in my jaw where that was.
• 36:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I still want something done on my chin cause I'm like looking at everything now.
• 36:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm like, oh, I need more, but I'm looking at all pictures when I smiled, my wrinkles when I was 45 were worse than they are now when I smile.
• 36:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, it's still holding up, yay.
• 37:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: thank you doctor uh yeah and he was great and it was it was about a week and Lonnie was on the road so his mom and stepdad came and helped me whilst I was going through the beginning parts of like I had to shower and stuff now.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Was it painful?
• 37:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know good medication but I was sleeping in the living room so I could sleep sitting up.
• 37:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 37:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And our cat was like, kind of near a me, she's like, are you okay?
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's just mommy.
• 37:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it was, it was a whole, it was a, a mischievous, but
• 37:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I will always admit to that.
• 37:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to never admit to any work.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had a tummy tuck a few years ago.
• 37:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, in fact, I seem to remember that.
• 37:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was on a Thursday and I wanted to do Bob's show.
• 37:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Walked was happening because I was awake for it.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Whittle, let me have my cell phone.
• 38:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, I bet.
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, that's so funny.
• 38:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do remember when you had that.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have had, I've had nothing done.
• 38:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've had like, there's been a few times.
• 38:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I remember when I was 28 and I used to be a smoker too.
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I looked at myself, I was, you know, going to go to work and I was,
• 38:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: looking at myself in the rear room mirror just to check my makeup and I noticed that I had that nasal labial fault line, you know, that a lot of people not all people have and I completely freaked out.
• 38:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was the first time I ever noticed it and I completely freaked out and I became obsessed and it was so funny because at the time my mother got
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was called permanent collagen.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what her doctor called it.
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she was kind of what he called it, like a test run on this particular, I don't know, injection.
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she, it was very natural too.
• 38:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was just an injection and in her smile lines and it, you know, it didn't take them away completely.
• 39:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: It just plumped them up a little bit.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so my friend Rich and I who was no longer with us and he was an actor and he was kind of like my brother.
• 39:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he was so amazing.
• 39:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: close and we had such a good relationship, but anyway, he obsessed about his, he was the one who introduced me to the term nasal labial folds and we would look at them in his kitchen mirror, like obsessed with our nasal labial folds.
• 39:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like mind steeper than yours.
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, mind steeper than yours.
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then my mother gets her filled and we're both so jealous.
• 39:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I went to her doctor and her doctor said to me, he's like, come back and like five years.
• 39:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I have to say that while I have them, they're still not that deep.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, they're there, but they're not that kind of, and it's like, I'm kind of battling this whole,
• 39:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I, I battle it because I, I want it getting, I, like, I think, well, maybe I should go get Botox because I've got these lines between, you know, my eyes, the, the critical part of the thing.
• 40:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it.
• 40:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're not deep deep, but they're there and they're pretty superficial, but I can see them in photographs now.
• 40:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, and then I think, but do I really want to do Botox?
• 40:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why should I spend the money who gives a shit in the end?
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: My view is, I go back and forth.
• 40:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: My view is, if you're going to spend the money, do the surgery, because it's going to save you money in the worst.
• 40:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you.
• 40:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because that stuff I've never done Botox, and I won't.
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Lawy did it once, and I'm like, why?
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because Botox doesn't fix it.
• 40:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just makes you not make it worse.
• 40:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, but doesn't it, doesn't it take the lines away?
• 40:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: for the time that the Botox is working.
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then you have to go do it again.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you keep going.
• 40:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 40:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the lines are always going to be there.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: They just don't, you just can't make them worse.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because you can't move your face.
• 40:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 40:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And see, that's the other thing that I don't like.
• 40:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't want to have, I would rather do, you know, if I were going to do it that face lift that you had.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: That, you know, it was just a mid face lift.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I, my, my, I,
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can make, you know, frown lines on my forehead and stuff.
• 41:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 41:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they're just not there all the time.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't see the point of, and my eyebrows are fine.
• 41:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And my eyes, I would like my eyelids to not be as heavy, but that's genetics.
• 41:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I could get that done as well, but I haven't yet.
• 41:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't need to do a full, you know, pull it back, like, you know, that Barbie that you support her.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 41:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: or from my ankles up, which I would like to do by basically just my ankles.
• 41:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had, that would be awesome.
• 41:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because everything is lifted.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 41:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: But no, I just went mid-face because that's what my problem that I saw was.
• 41:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 41:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: and it definitely took care of the jowels that I had at the time they aren't quite back yet but they're coming back and it's I mean I still have a little bit of numbness which is interesting because that's an issue but I've had numbness on the right side of my face since I had my jaw surgery when I was 14 and so I'm not I'm completely used to that so it's like okay I've had that for for 40 something year or so so that balance.
• 42:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: But no, I mean, he did a great job and I said, should I shave over?
• 42:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Should I, would it be better if I had no hair?
• 42:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: He goes, no, no, no, I like it when you have hair because I can hide the stitches.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's good.
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, wait, wait, no, I need to switch gears here a little bit.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I want to ask you a question.
• 42:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have like all these political questions just in case.
• 42:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 42:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I know that we have a tendency to just, you know, like when I have my friend's Stephanie on Stephanie, Dominique, as well, I don't even know her.
• 42:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even make notes because we just blab, and that's how I'm with you, but I thought, you know, I'm going to, I didn't make notes for what we're talking about now, but I did want to, I do want to ask you this though, because many, you know,
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: even Alex Jones gave him six to eight months and I think I told you on your show and I'm going to say his name wrong again, but it was Matt Greener, Matt Greeney, whatever his name was, he was the, he wrote for the Simpsons and he predicted that Trump is going to be.
• 43:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Matt Greeney.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Matt Greeney.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, not the Greenic, not that one.
• 43:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not the one we all know.
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's another guy.
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a greener or greener, but anyway, he predicted 15 years prior to Trump becoming president that he would become president.
• 43:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So then he comes out, I think it was in June, and in July, he did two videos on TikTok.
• 43:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, hey,
• 43:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Trump's not going to make it.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he said this year.
• 43:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was for 2025.
• 43:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't see.
• 43:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't say what was going to happen.
• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: He all he said was Trump is not going to be president by the end of the year.
• 43:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the odd thing is, and this one is the hard thing for me to buy.
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he didn't think J.D.
• 43:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Vance was going to be the president either.
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what that means.
• 44:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: But regardless, he did two videos and he made them funny.
• 44:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the reason he made them like into sketch comedy, but he straight up predicted that Trump isn't going to be around by the end of this year.
• 44:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, you know, what did he said?
• 44:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, he didn't predict whether or not he was going to die.
• 44:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm curious because it's like he made this prediction, then, you know, we saw, like I said, Alex Jones has made the prediction six to eight months from now.
• 44:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: He thinks he's going.
• 44:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Lev Parnus, there was a story in Ross, it was Ross story and I'm sure it was somewhere else too.
• 44:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: But either way, Lev Parnus said he has connections in the White House and they're all talking about the fact that Trump's unhealthy.
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think
• 44:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: that that time where he was missing for five days from the public eye specifically his voice was missing.
• 44:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he probably had a stroke.
• 45:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we saw the picture of his face dripping.
• 45:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and although I don't understand because I've seen him since then in his faces and drooping and I did, does it permanently droop or does it just droop sometimes?
• 45:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know people that have had strokes, it doesn't permanently.
• 45:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 45:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I thought at the time, he might have had a stroke, and you know, we all wondered is he going to show up to this event that he did, the announcement thing that was just proof of life.
• 45:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, after we hadn't seen him for five days, there was no reason he had to do that
• 45:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's just showing everybody that he was still alive, but you know, there's just all this shit going on.
• 45:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So as far as people thinking, he's not going to make it.
• 45:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, it goes from big people like big names.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: There are doctors all over the internet who obviously because nobody has access to him, we don't know.
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Everything is literally speculation.
• 45:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: But they make it, so that's all we've got.
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's speculation.
• 45:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there are doctors on the internet who were like, yeah, it looks like it's got congested part failure.
• 45:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he might have a problem with, I can't remember if his liver or kidney or whatever it is.
• 46:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, there could be this going on, and then everybody's wondering about, you know, as does he have?
• 46:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't remember the name of the machine.
• 46:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I keep wanting to call it Vlad.
• 46:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: but it's some kind of, it's some kind of contraption that's hidden underneath your clothes.
• 46:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then they think that he's wearing a catheter and he's got the chemical, he's saying he's got the bruises.
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and there was one person who did this whole thread on Twitter.
• 46:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's not of note.
• 46:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he was like a famous person or anything, but he basically was saying that he was noticing the bruises on Trump's hands were getting or more prominent like on the 24th of every month.
• 46:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought, huh, that's interesting.
• 46:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I never noticed that.
• 46:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, all that said, you know, Trump isn't healthy, and so I just want to ask you, I want to ask you a couple questions about this because I want to know where your mind is, but I mean, number one, as far as Trump's health structure, I know you're, you're not a psychic or a cool or maybe you are, but do you, do you have that feeling like, do you think he's not going to make it or do you think he's going to,
• 47:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can't imagine he's going to make it all the way until 2028.
• 47:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, um, he is not healthy.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the people around him don't care about him.
• 47:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, and that's sad for him, it's been sad for him as whole life.
• 47:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't feel pity for him because he's made choices.
• 47:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 47:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but as, as a human, I feel sad for the other human that has never been taken care of.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: By anybody in his family, including his children, they couldn't care less about him.
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, um, they just want the money.
• 47:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I don't blame them at this point and most of them are awful as well.
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 47:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: He is not well.
• 47:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he'll make it's 2028.
• 47:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he will pass away.
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Peacefully, most likely.
• 47:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 47:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which, well, that would be like, you know, that's the best way to fucking go.
• 48:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's how Robert read for us.
• 48:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exile man.
• 48:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's so, but as far as JD Vance is concerned, he is gunning for Donald.
• 48:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: to you mean to delete he wants yeah he wants Donald gone yeah I mean come on hosting a fricking podcast yesterday or Monday the fuck yeah it's very clear if vice president Harris had gone on a host list Rachel Maddoz podcast
• 48:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, now there's the whole debate online.
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have an opinion and I think because you're on Bob show, I don't know what your opinion is, but I know what Bob's opinion is.
• 48:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So let's say we get bets, right?
• 48:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's the president.
• 48:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, obviously the guy is smart and obviously the guy is dangerous.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he's not got the charisma.
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what it, you know, it's like, that's what Bob has said.
• 48:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've talked to my mother about this because I was like, okay, but what about this?
• 48:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you this, because here's me playing the devil's advocate.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: let's say that yeah he's the president so you've got all these independence right and they lean right and maybe they hate trip and Trump just is nothing but chaos and they see it and they don't
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: they don't like him.
• 49:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So J.B.
• 49:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: comes on the scene and now he's the Potis and he seems less chaotic.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he knows how to play that game.
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know but let's just say maybe he knows how to play that game and not that he looks so present but do you think that the the right leaning independence are going to fall for it?
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: The magas won't because he's not
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: He called Donald Anazi, and didn't know that.
• 49:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's in the back of their minds with JD.
• 49:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: JD has Peter Teele and others behind him in Project 2025 behind him.
• 49:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got the money.
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Changers to quote Jesus behind him.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so there's that problem with JD Vance because they're trying to make him look presidential right now.
• 50:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 50:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but the fact of the matter is, he's weird, like, gummer all the time and he's just weird and he cannot handle, like Donald can throw things away at the drop of a hat beautifully.
• 50:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't agree with it, but he's really good at it and the press goes with it, but the press doesn't like J.D.
• 50:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: like they like Donald.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's, do you think the press likes Donald or Fierce him?
• 50:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think it's combo plate.
• 50:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: They like him for as less move I said for ratings.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 50:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they also fear him, but I hope I said it on Bob show yesterday and I said it on my show yesterday.
• 50:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: My mom sued the national inquireer.
• 50:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: They wanted to settle and she said, fuck no.
• 50:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they would have given her, she sued for 10 million.
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: She probably get a gotten too easily out of the settlement.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: She said, new, I'm going to try out these mother fuckers.
• 51:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to spend my money to keep suing them for nine fucking years.
• 51:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
• 51:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It took nine years to get to trial, because they kept trying to settle.
• 51:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 51:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, new.
• 51:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Henry Kissinger was deposed because he was part of the story and the only good thing he ever did was say it that didn't happen So I think the New York Times should say fuck you Donald keeps they have the money to not be sued Yeah, or libel they did not lie about him
• 51:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't settle assholes, don't bend the fucking knee.
• 51:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have the money for nine years.
• 51:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like my mom didn't have the same kind of money as the national inquired, but she kept it on.
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know how much money.
• 51:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: to keep showing, but he'll never want to be deposed.
• 52:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then your time to take a page out of my mom going, no, I'm not fucking settling.
• 52:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to trial.
• 52:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what's so funny is they did bend the knee to Donald and he's still fucking with him.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like one of these people going to fucking realize that you bend the knee and it doesn't guarantee you any safety.
• 52:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, you give the bully money.
• 52:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to come back for 10 more dollars.
• 52:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 52:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like 15 billion.
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's selling them for $15 billion.
• 52:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to, if they're smart about it, and they have lawyers on staff, yeah, and it's like seriously, I would be if I ran that fucking paper a day and fuck that guy, I'm going to care of her and it has to do with the trial, they need to call Carol, Carol needs to give them some advice on this.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.
• 52:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think that I think.
• 52:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like, you know, how, I guess, Pam Bondy came out yesterday and said that they weren't going to go after people who were claiming on Charlie Kirk.
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, but they're using it to make people fearful.
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, you know, you know,
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 53:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: The question I want to ask you now is, and I mean, I ask everybody this, and I ask everybody this all the time, because I ask myself all the time, you know, how where are you in the are we going to survive this thing?
• 53:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right now.
• 53:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we will.
• 53:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm more optimistic than I should be potentially, but what I've noticed in the past day or two is more Democrats that are in positions of power are fighting back to Pam Bondi and the Charlie Kirk BS that's going on.
• 53:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean the woman that got fired
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited she just quoted him.
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: She did nothing wrong.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So why are we firing her for quoting what the dead guy said and I'm not condoning what happened to him.
• 54:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's awful that his wife and children had to witness that and everybody else there that had to witness it and the people online that witness it, which I thankfully did not have to witness.
• 54:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to see that and I'm glad I did not stumble upon it because that's horrific.
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly what happened to me.
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I stumbled upon it and it was like, because I posted that I saw it.
• 54:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I wish I never did and people were like, why did you even watch?
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, oh my god, I didn't go looking for it.
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was on Twitter because I fucking have to be.
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I'm on Twitter because of MSW media.
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I still have my Twitter account and I tweet a little bit because I'm over there, but really, I'm not over there because there's no point.
• 54:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: If I tweet something, I don't have the check.
• 54:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So nobody ever sees it.
• 54:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I was scrolling and something caught my eye.
• 54:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was the video that had an auto play and it was four seconds.
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I had stopped because whatever it was that caught my eye,
• 55:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I stopped it and then it just played and then I thought so it's there.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's in my head.
• 55:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, and Bella with a Z, her little sister who's 14 years old, she was in class when it happened and a friend of hers goes, look at this and she had to see it.
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And these are kids already going through, you know, shooter drills.
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But my thing is like, okay, y'all saw what a gun does to somebody's body.
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Are we going to stop it now?
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really.
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine what it does to the little children.
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is that her shot more than what it was?
• 55:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was fucking horrifying.
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and when it happened, I mean, I was really freaked out.
• 55:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I remember I was like, when, say, it was a week ago.
• 55:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 55:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was, I was doing my work.
• 55:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I saw, I mean, it was probably within seconds that the news came down.
• 55:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I knocked on Bob's office door and I'm like, did you hear what happened to Charlie Kirk?
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, no, and I'm like, man, this isn't fucking good.
• 56:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is fucking bad.
• 56:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the, and, you know, look,
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm one of these people that, like, just with you, I don't think he should have been murdered for his opinion.
• 56:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody should be murdered for the family.
• 56:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the way that his death has been handled.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like these people, you know, turning him into some fuck free speech and- And then I'll top of it.
• 56:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not using his death.
• 56:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and on top of it, it's like they are wanting to,
• 56:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: crack down on the free speech that he liked yes that they're saying that he was the champion enough and so and then he's also telling everybody to release the Epstein file so I don't you know we should honor that right let's honor Charlie Kirk by returning him with that and you know I want to say to everybody who's still listening to this
• 56:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Please post about the upstream files because a lot of people are forgetting it now.
• 56:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, you know, we did hear that the victims, and I don't like calling them victims, I would rather call them survivors, but the Epstein survivors said a couple of weeks ago that they were going to make their own list.
• 57:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm hoping that if this does happen, that kind of comes back and brings this all back into the news.
• 57:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because we saw, you know,
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: how quickly the conversation shifted.
• 57:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's playing catch but tell yesterday saying, oh, there's nobody on the list that's already, it's like, it's just that they just traffic them for Jeffrey.
• 57:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what he said.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 57:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no.
• 57:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't think so.
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're not that stupid.
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, not even the mag or that stupid, because they know.
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so many smart people don't like Donald.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
• 57:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: But there are some smart people out there who, I don't know if they like Donald, but they support him.
• 57:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, whatever.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because it's all about ideology.
• 57:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not about the person.
• 57:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anyone likes Donald.
• 57:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, um,
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, I don't know.
• 57:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's kind of interesting.
• 58:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of tend to fall in the same area.
• 58:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do feel helpful as well, but I feel like it's like I told Bob the other night.
• 58:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, ever since the election, I know that there are some people in this country who have been severely disrupted.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: These people who have been sent to other countries or taken by ICE or
• 58:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just fucking horrible shit.
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't want to pretend that everything has just been running normally, but I think for the majority of Americans, we have experienced, you know, some higher prices, but everybody still kind of chugging along.
• 58:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're living your life, you're going to work, there's still people who don't know what's going on.
• 58:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I told Bob, I said, you know, I think, I don't know if it's because of Charlie Kirk or whatever, but something bad is going to happen.
• 58:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: and I don't know what that is.
• 58:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what that looks like.
• 58:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it is some kind of weird martial law thing.
• 58:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know because there was some Democrat, I don't even know who the Democrat was, but it was a Democrat that predicted that Donald Trump was going to try to criminalize the Democratic Party.
• 59:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he would be able to do that.
• 59:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, Steve Miller wants to, of course, but um...
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: He can't it's no he can't I don't even see how that would even be fucking positive.
• 59:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean people want it Criminalized antifa.
• 59:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a thing It's like criminalizing air But um, exactly it's like what I'm anti-fascist so right
• 59:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, and then that's your criminal because you're anti-fascist.
• 59:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
• 59:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that I do think we're going to get past this, but I think I don't know.
• 59:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little worried about the big fucking thing dropping, right?
• 59:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: That, um, what is it going to be?
• 59:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to be a great depression again?
• 59:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to be something that this regime decides to inflict upon us?
• 59:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 59:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like something is going to happen.
• 59:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't want it to.
• 59:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to be able to get through this where the majority of us are still kind of intact.
• 59:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we know it's just because Kirk was murdered.
• 1:00:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: that lit a fire, but not the fire they wanted.
• 1:00:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: They wanted a rice tag fire.
• 1:00:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: They wanted that and that has not happened.
• 1:00:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because literally when he died, Lonnie goes, I never heard of him.
• 1:00:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So his famous as they all think was, wasn't that famous, you know?
• 1:00:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: His famous in a small circle of people that paid attention to politics.
• 1:00:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
• 1:00:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe 30% of people that pay attention to shit
• 1:00:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: knew who he was.
• 1:00:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is a small number.
• 1:00:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Greg got felt no fuck off when he says that Melissa Hortman wasn't anybody famous so why should we care?
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:00:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck off because a mass amount of people had no idea who Charlie Kirk was until he was murdered.
• 1:00:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:00:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:00:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, all right.
• 1:00:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm going to stay on this hopeful, you know, I mean, we have to.
• 1:01:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of the things that I do, you know, because I am spiritual, and I'm not saying everybody should, but if you are spiritual and this is your thing, what I like to do, because I feel like, you know, there's that song.
• 1:01:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, God, what the world needs now is love sweet love, right?
• 1:01:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think love is, the just imagine, if all of our efforts and behaviors and everything came from a loving point of view, like we live on Earth, so shit's going to happen, you know, there's going to be natural disasters, people are going to get hurt.
• 1:01:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be hard things to deal with, but so much of what we deal with that's awful is,
• 1:01:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: human created.
• 1:01:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: It comes from either cruelty or greed or apathy or whatever.
• 1:01:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like imagine if everything that we did, you know, like imagine if the Democrats and the Republicans were fighting to, you know, to be the party that gave the most as opposed to having one party just want to take everything away.
• 1:02:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, if we just came from love, it would be, and I know
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: not going to happen especially right now that all of us do that.
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: But what I try to do is I imagine like I just think of an animal that, you know, a kitten or a dog that I know or just an animal that I love and I kind of fill up, I fill myself up with that unconditional love for the little and pets are easy to feel unconditional love for.
• 1:02:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like you just fill yourself up with that love and then I literally just imagine
• 1:02:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: that I'm pushing that love out into the universal energy and just say go where it's gonna go.
• 1:02:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not that I think that I'm making all this difference and I'm changing the world, but I think if that if we all who believed that way, even just a little bit made that effort send out because they've done studies that people who pray for their loved ones that it helps.
• 1:02:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm all into the energy that we put out.
• 1:02:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I just want to put out good and loving energy.
• 1:02:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the other thing that's so hard for me and I know you have to go, but it's like, you know, I want to be loving and my nature is sarcastic.
• 1:03:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I can't stand these Republicans.
• 1:03:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, I can't be loving toward the Republicans.
• 1:03:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I just, instead of focusing on them specifically, I just send love out to everyone.
• 1:03:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't know what's going to happen with that energy.
• 1:03:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it's,
• 1:03:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: outside of speaking up or resisting or doing it's one thing that I can do personally so that's what I try to do because I am helpful and I am with you and I think we're going to get through this but I don't see how it's going to happen right now and you know I'm just trying to keep the faith because that's what I that's like you got to have faith in this.
• 1:03:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to have faith in us and what we're doing and you know even though not all of the Democrats are meeting the moment I want to have faith in the party and I want to have faith and the good people in the party who are doing everything that they can to to beat the shit down.
• 1:03:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
• 1:03:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm you know talking to you always feels good though Cause you're easy like Sunday morning Let me go.
• 1:04:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: We got to have faith.
• 1:04:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: We got easy like Sunday morning.
• 1:04:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: We got a lot of songs in here.
• 1:04:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: because you got to have faith, the faith, faith, faith, and you know, I also, one of these days I'm going to make a playlist on my YouTube with all, I should do that today with all my favorite Lionel Richie songs, because I fucking love Lionel Richie.
• 1:04:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's so awesome.
• 1:04:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, and I love easy legs, Sunday morning.
• 1:04:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, Jodie, Jodie, I love you.
• 1:04:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And everybody loves you too.
• 1:04:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, we're all going to imagine giving you a big virtual hug right now.
• 1:04:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for being on the show.
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I know you've got to go run an interview, interview my boyfriend.
• 1:04:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I know.
• 1:04:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: The one in the room.
• 1:04:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: In the other room.
• 1:04:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, why don't you just, I mean, tell everybody where you are and politics and all of it, and I'm just going to let you talk.
• 1:04:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm at the politicsbar.com Monday through Friday wherever you get your podcast MSW media is our podcast host.
• 1:04:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're also on WCPT.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good God.
• 1:05:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I should know all the radio stations.
• 1:05:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's one in Minneapolis.
• 1:05:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I apologize to you guys and then one in Tennessee.
• 1:05:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I apologize to you guys and the Georgia now is coming up and I'm so sorry and political voices because I don't have it in front of me.
• 1:05:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love all of you guys and thank you for being nice to me and we do have the lovely Bob Susska on the show this evening and we'll have Ms.
• 1:05:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kimberly Johnson on our show again soon.
• 1:05:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hope yes we yes we will.
• 1:05:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, all right, well, Jodie, it's always a great talking to you.
• 1:05:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for giving me your time today, and we'll talk again.
• 1:05:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, I love you.
• 1:05:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Love you too, bye bye.