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#667 - Isaac Pelayo Breaks Down His Most Famous Paintings, MF DOOM & the Missing Biggie Portrait & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Boulet Camp Podcast special guests. Here, my dog Isaac Palo
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  Speaker 1: in the building.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you man. Likewise, so you have a
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  Speaker 1: show coming up, I do explain because you always have
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  Speaker 1: some cool events going on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I wasn't gonna do anything this year
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  Speaker 2: just because I've been so I've been so out of it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, mentally, emotionally, with all kinds of shit. But
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  Speaker 2: it's my thirtieth birthday this year, so.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big, big, big birthday and thirty thirty. So
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  Speaker 1: is the event kind of like in correlation with a
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  Speaker 1: birthday thing? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I usually do that because it's more incentsive for people
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  Speaker 2: to come out. Right, Like, if they're not going to
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  Speaker 2: support my art, well they.
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  Speaker 1: Can come support it comes come part my birthday.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, it gives you know, it's like a
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  Speaker 2: it's cool. It's a double way to get people to
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  Speaker 2: come out. But like I said, I wasn't gonna do
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  Speaker 2: anything for my birthday this year. I was just gonna,
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  Speaker 2: like I swear, I had like written it down. I'm like, dude,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna just fucking go watch the sunrise on my
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  Speaker 2: birthday by myself at the each and then call it
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  Speaker 2: a year like that's it, and I'm like, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I do with thirty? I should probably do something
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  Speaker 2: special this one time at least, right, So yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: like a month, like a month ago, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna do a fucking show. But
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  Speaker 2: instead of producing any brand new work, what essentially what
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing is I have a few pieces from that
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  Speaker 2: I've held on from every series of work over the
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  Speaker 2: last like seven years, from twenty twenty to now, So
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  Speaker 2: I figure I'll just show a couple of those pieces
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  Speaker 2: from each body of work, almost like a retrospective. But
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  Speaker 2: you know it's it's just because I did a show
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  Speaker 2: in Paris, Arizona, New York and people from LA didn't
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  Speaker 2: get to go see those shows, So that's work. People
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  Speaker 2: never got a missing home for you, This is home.
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  Speaker 2: So I figure, you know what, let me bring all
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  Speaker 2: these work back home and then have a chance for
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  Speaker 2: like home based people to come see it. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what I'm doing. So it's like thirty thirty paintings or more?
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like because I feel like the art
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  Speaker 1: market can be like the stock market, and we've seen
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  Speaker 1: like a I feel like during COVID, there was like
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  Speaker 1: this super spike and like art, Pokemon cards, sports cards, watches. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: has it calmed down a little or do you feel
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  Speaker 1: like it's still because I feel like people like would
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  Speaker 1: rather plant their money in these one of a kind
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  Speaker 1: items or these limited items because they know there's a
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  Speaker 1: finite amount of them, so instead of it sitting in
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  Speaker 1: a bank account or risking it on the stock market,
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  Speaker 1: it might look nice.
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  Speaker 3: On the wall.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Well, it definitely has calmed down a significant amount,
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  Speaker 2: and for various reasons. You know it during COVID, I
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  Speaker 2: mean with the whole stimulus check and shit, people just
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  Speaker 2: had play money, right, and they weren't paying you know,
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  Speaker 2: at some point a lot of people had rent relief,
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  Speaker 2: so they weren't paying they were paying rent, They're getting
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  Speaker 2: that stimulus check. They were trapping doing whatever they can
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  Speaker 2: to make money, so they're like, fuck it, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: buy something, you know, like an NFT or I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: get into cards, or I'm gonna get into fucking sneakers
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  Speaker 2: or some shit. There was just a big boom in it,
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  Speaker 2: and I think twenty twenty saw like one of the
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  Speaker 2: biggest years in art sales, Like billions of dollars in
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  Speaker 2: the blue chip art market and for lower tier artists
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  Speaker 2: like myself starting out. You know, it really shot a
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  Speaker 2: lot of artists to start them. Yeah, because for me
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  Speaker 2: at least, you know, I've used Instagram all these years
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  Speaker 2: as a tool to market myself. For sure, it's a gallery,
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  Speaker 2: it's website, it's it's a platform to be able to
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  Speaker 2: reach people globally that you wouldn't be able to otherwise.
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  Speaker 2: But there's there's a it's a catch twenty two because
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  Speaker 2: there's so many artists that are coming out of the
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  Speaker 2: fucking woodwork. So you have millions of artists all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, like ten times more than what they're already was.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of like like there was like a rapper DJ
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  Speaker 1: boom oh dude, when it became easy to record at
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  Speaker 1: home or or Serando came out there, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: everyone's a DJ.
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  Speaker 2: But every motherfucking person became an art This is crazy,
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  Speaker 2: and some of them became very successful and still are
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  Speaker 2: successful today. So I'm not hating on it. It's you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's incredible what it did. But yeah, I think a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people just spent a lot of money on
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  Speaker 2: you know, that NFT thing. I didn't really get involved
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  Speaker 2: because I didn't. First of all, I didn't understand the
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  Speaker 2: whole NFT thing at first, and I didn't really care
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  Speaker 2: to want to learn about it. I was already you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it came and went, It came and went definitely,
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  Speaker 2: and I I just feel like I was already digging
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  Speaker 2: my feet in the dirt. I was. I was planning
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  Speaker 2: my feet in the in the ground so much with
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  Speaker 2: real art, with fine art sales and real collectors having
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  Speaker 2: tangible shit that people could collect. I didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: try to educate myself on this whole, you know, new
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  Speaker 2: technological wave way of making art and making money. I
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  Speaker 2: just seemed like too much work. And I'm like, nah, bro,
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  Speaker 2: I need cash overhand, Like fuck all that other shit, right,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm archaic with this shiit, you know, give
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  Speaker 2: me some fucking the balloons, right, some fucking ducats. So I,
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  Speaker 2: uh yeah, I saw, you know all again, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of artists did some crazy shit with it. I made
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  Speaker 2: one NFT and it was cool, but I just think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people spent a lot of
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  Speaker 2: money and they didn't really make a lot of smart investments.
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  Speaker 2: And they're kind of reaping what they so then you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I mean, I mean a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: people who like fuck dude, like Logan Paw, I think
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  Speaker 1: he spent nine hundred ft dude.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure he made it up with his
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  Speaker 3: Pokemon cards.
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  Speaker 2: But justin Bieber did he bought I think what is it?
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  Speaker 2: The ape?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, one of them. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: They just worth dog shit. Yeah, like, but you know
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  Speaker 2: that's what happens. The thing with fine art, though, is
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  Speaker 2: fine art has such a huge footprint, and the infrastructure
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  Speaker 2: has existed for hundreds of years, and the people that
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  Speaker 2: have have created and operate the infrastructure are not gonna
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  Speaker 2: let it fall apart. After all these years, art only
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  Speaker 2: goes up in value. The only time fine art really
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  Speaker 2: depletes some value is of now with this whole like cancer,
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  Speaker 2: cancel culture bullshit. You know, someone can really damage someone's
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  Speaker 2: name and reputation and say, Okay, we're not supporting this
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  Speaker 2: artist anymore, no matter how influential we think they are.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look at the whole Caesar Chad shit, bro, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not even trying to.
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  Speaker 1: Happen quick, dude, it happened in like four hours.
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  Speaker 2: It was like the same day went dude win triple
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  Speaker 2: platinum overnight.
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  Speaker 1: Bro. I remember, I like saw the story and then
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  Speaker 1: like almost immediately, they're like they're taking down statues and
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  Speaker 1: changing names, and I was like, oh shit.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, yeah the street name that we fucking cruise on.
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  Speaker 1: But the girl, but the lady who accused him is
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  Speaker 1: like also like a huge glorious Yeah, what's your last name?
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  Speaker 1: There's a school in Burbank named after her. But so
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  Speaker 1: she's it's not like she's like some random persons. So,
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  Speaker 1: but it's it's crazy. How quick I think that's the
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  Speaker 1: quick So that.
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  Speaker 2: Is the fastest someone's ever got canceled.
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  Speaker 1: It was wild. It was very like, it was damnar impressive.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, they got this guy out of here.
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  Speaker 1: Change the straight dames they took I think in La
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  Speaker 1: they took the statue down within like twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 2: They erased him from history. It's incredible. It's pretty insane.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what's crazy too, is like then they'll then then
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  Speaker 1: like these other clips start popping up of like how
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  Speaker 1: he would talk about like immigrants and women and shit.
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  Speaker 2: That was yeah, but.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like there's it was known.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like it wasn't like people, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like anything people thought about. It's almost like the Bill
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  Speaker 1: Cosby thing, Like people kind of had heard about the
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: Bill Cosby shit, and then Hannibal Burris did the bit
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  Speaker 1: in his stand up and it kind of dug it
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  Speaker 1: up and people are like, wait a minute, Bill Cosby.
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  Speaker 3: Was a piece of ship. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: know that that is true.
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  Speaker 1: I think with the NFT thing is kind of like
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  Speaker 1: a perfect example of like a tall tale of a
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  Speaker 1: telltale of how you should not buy into any of
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  Speaker 1: this hype too quick because it could it could break you,
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  Speaker 1: especially when it comes to this digital shit. Because I mean, obviously,
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: how do you feel about bitcoin, cryptocurrency, whatever it is,
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  Speaker 1: There is a certain amount of all of this shit
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  Speaker 1: that is kind of a Ponzi scheme.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, you know, bitcoin is different. I mean that's
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  Speaker 2: like that's been around for a lot longer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I mean like if you're like yo, so
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: and so has a token, it's like, hey, man, like
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: it's probably it's probably baked in that you're gonna like
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: lose all your money if you invest. By the time
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: you hear about it, it's too late.
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, it's usually too late. Yeah, it's funny. I
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: want a movie that I watched with my dad all
• 8:38
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• 8:51
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• 8:54
  Speaker 2: get in. Yeah, And it's true. Everybody just wants to
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: get in, and by the time you find out it
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  Speaker 2: is way too fucking late, and you know, the price
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  Speaker 2: to get in is it's not even worth it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like with art though, it's it's it's always
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  Speaker 1: I think people need to look at it like it's
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  Speaker 1: a twenty thirty year play. It's like, yo, man, if
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna especially if you invest in an artist early. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and another aspect of it, too, is the thing
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  Speaker 2: with fine art is that there's always new talent, right,
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  Speaker 2: There's always new talent. Every day, there's a new fucking
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  Speaker 2: person coming out and making something and that's gonna be
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: the next big thing. And essentially what happens is someone
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: creates something, maybe they make a little noise with it,
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  Speaker 2: and then a second person comes around and does it better,
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  Speaker 2: and then they get all the credit for it, and
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: then that, you know, and then they kind of set
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: the tone. And so that's what happens. And there's always
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  Speaker 2: new It's like, you know, the best way I can
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: say is like fucking you know, crocodile teeth. They're always
• 9:50
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  Speaker 2: So that's interesting about fine art, and like I said,
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: it's been around for the way we look at fine
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: art after the Renaissance for the last five hundred years.
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  Speaker 2: It's only gone up in value. And the way we
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: treat fine art is it operates on its own set
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: of rules. It's you know, it's like when fine art
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: is stolen, federal government gets involved. Yeah, because its value
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  Speaker 2: is like it's one of those things that holds intrinsic
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: value that isn't actually valuable. We just put a number
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: on it because it's what we're willing to pay for it.
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: But it's a it's an anomaly, and it's really hard
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  Speaker 2: to even comprehend how it operates on its own set
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  Speaker 2: of roles. And it'll never go away. That you'll see
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: a dip sometimes because people get scared and you know,
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  Speaker 2: with a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Of Yeah, sometimes like people be like Okay, I need
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  Speaker 1: to I.
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: Need to sell, I need to write, or you know,
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  Speaker 2: look what happened with the Palistates. With the fire, A
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: lot of people lost a lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: But you a lot of art got lost.
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: A ship ton of fine art got lost.
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: I saw Mel Gibson had like one of the craziest
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: book collections ever, and that shit's just gone.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: I think he had like a very rare bible.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he had some shit, and he would be
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: the guy that would have some crazy shit. Yeah, I
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: mean the guy who made the fucking Jesus movie happened
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: the Yeah, rare Bible.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm excited for part two. You I don't know
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: the Resurrection, I am, I just because what's happening in two? Yeah?
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah it's called the Resurrection.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean I watch it.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: I mean the first one was so good.
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: Just it was good.
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: It was the first one was solid and I'm not
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: a I mean it came out when i was probably seventeen. Yeah,
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: so I just remember being like, oh, this is good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a religious person, but yeah, it's a good
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  Speaker 1: It's a good movie.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just the way they depicted that story was
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: I think best out of any other accurate. It was
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: very accurate. I love that they used the proper language
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: and the setting.
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  Speaker 1: It was.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: You did a really good job with that movie. And
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just just as far as storytelling. I think I'm
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: looking forward for part two because he's been working on
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: it for years and I'm a Mel Gibson fan.
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  Speaker 1: Me too, man, I mean, listen, he definitely got They
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: got him in the fuck up out of here, but
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: they didn't get him.
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: All the way the fuck up out of here.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: Nah. Yeah, I love Mel. When you decide to kind
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: of approach like cause you're kind of known for your
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: super realism like portrait stuff. But then like I'll see
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: you do like uh, like you have the painting with
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: the guy on the horse with the fire. That's kind
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: of like I would say, like a global warming type
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: of you know when when like what inspires you to
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  Speaker 1: kind of say, Okay, I need to kind of make
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  Speaker 1: a statement with the piece, as opposed to I need
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  Speaker 1: to portray something with this, I portray someone.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that particular piece was for a show my print
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  Speaker 2: partner and Martin who owned Sugar Press. It was her
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  Speaker 2: tenth year anniversary show and she had asked me to
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  Speaker 2: be a part of it just because you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: one of her artists that I've been working with her
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  Speaker 2: for several years now and she's my web manager too.
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  Speaker 2: So she her whole thing is being eco friendly. All
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: her materials are you know, the inks, the paper, it's
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: all eco friendly and so that's what she advocates for.
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  Speaker 2: So the show was about, you know, the environment. It
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: was all promoting you know, green Earth and all that
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: stuff and touching on topics of you know a little
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: bit of political topics. I mean, she's more on the
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: you know, democratic Liverpool side of things. And so she
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: had asked me, you know, she goes, what do you
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: think about painting a horse for the show her. I mean,
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: she grew up with horses. So I said, I can
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  Speaker 2: do that. And originally I was going to do just
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  Speaker 2: a horse on its own, kind of coming out of
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  Speaker 2: like smoke. And I was like, yeah, that's cool. I'm like,
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: let me, let me dig deeper into this. I think
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  Speaker 2: I can come up with something really, really powerful. So
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  Speaker 2: I went through some photographs that I shot on my
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  Speaker 2: film camera and I found this photo I shot of
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: this gentleman right here by the Hanson Dam in San
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Fernando Valley, and I asked him if I can take
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: a photo of him on his horse. He was, you know,
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: happy to let me take a photo of him. And
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: it was just I felt like it. You know that
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: it touched on a lot of current topics with whole
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: you know, the whole immigration thing, with the environment. You know,
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: the fires that happened here in La you know, the
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: amount of animal life that got affected from it, the
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: horses that you saw the videos of like horses running
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: from stateroom from the fire. So there was that there
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: was you know, I had like a gas can that
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: touched on you know, the whole oil industry and how
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: that you know, the pollution that that that that inflicts
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: on you know, our ocean and shit, and so it
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: was I just used it as a way to touch
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: on all kinds of topics. And I'm not a political
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: artist by any means. I don't like really making political
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: art because there's I'm so in the middle of things.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: I could see I can agree and disagree on a
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: lot of things, and I don't like to identify with
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: one or the other. And I'm like, look, you know,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm not necessarily Switzerland.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the biggest like shit that people like
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: they've tricked us into is that there is a left
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: and right in general.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: It's like, hey man, most people agree on.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Like a gigantic amount of shit. Yeah, and then it's
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: all of the divisive shit that's kind of made up
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: that doesn't really affect a lot of It's like, you know,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: it's almost like the right has done such a good
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: job of like tricking everyone into thinking like there's like
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: trans athletes like participating in high schools all across America
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: when it's like such a small anecdotal example that they
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: always point to that it's like, you know, this doesn't
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: even affect people, but it's such a small talking point
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: that you can enrage and scare people into believing that.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: It's like we're just like, really, we're hey, man, let's
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: just call a spade a spade. This is what it is.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Let's do common sense.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Ship.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I want my politicians to acknowledge that, uh, there's a
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: fucking genocide happening in fucking in Palestine and in Gaza,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: and that you know, Israel's expand against borders, we're at war.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Nothing gases high as fuckhere.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like people don't think.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody wants their kids to go die
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: in a war for nothing, Like any nobody, not even
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: the politicians that are fighting for that ship that as
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: long as it ain't my kid, they don't.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Give money, dude, It's almost it's money in power. That's
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: That's literally all it boils down to. And what I
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: what I discovered, you know about the left and the
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: far left and the far right is that they're willing
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: to go to the edge of the earth to fight
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: for their own opinion and which it benefits them right,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: and I don't care if people die in the process.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: And it's like you're you're advocating for I have a
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: lot of agreements and disagreements, and at the end of
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: the day, like I say, i'm i'm I'm, I'm promoting
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: peace and promoting love equality across the board. You know,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: if you're if you're I pay attention to people's actions.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I pay attention to people's attentions, and I base my
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: opinion am I. I don't like to even judge people.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to practice non judgment. You know, I got
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: really big into Buddhism last year, so I'm like trying
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: to practice no judgment and just acceptance of people. But
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: it's hard because you know you as I don't know
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: like you you for uh, you know what you've been doing.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: You work with people, you talk to people, you have
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: a connection with people, and so there's got to be
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: a degree of like, you have a certain love and
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: passion for people. And then when you look out the
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: fucking window and you see that this is what humanity's
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: up to, right and with society is participating in, You're like, dude,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: how could I how could I even feel proud? Of
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: being part of the society when where there's so much.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Fu fucked up shit happening so much.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, just the war alone.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: It was crazy. We brew up a whole entire school
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: full of children that first day.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm getting kind of fuckings tired of Instagram
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: like allowing certain content on there. And I'm like, yo,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to see this shit like it'll access really.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Where if you really want to dive into like a
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: bunch of like blown up children, you'll be.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Like, fuck, yeah, what are we doing? It's crazy, dude.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Rotten dot Com scarred me when I was.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Like, dude, I just telling my boy. I was like,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: y'all were not around when we had rotten dot Com.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Disgusting bro A lot of people, a lot of kids.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I'm thirty nine, so my age group we got the Internet,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I would say twelve thirteen, fourteen in that maybe like
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: twelve ish thirteen.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Ish, yeah, seventh grade or so.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And I remember, but like, my parents never had the internet,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: so we would have have the school internet. And the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: first place we go is rotten dot Com.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: At the school campus.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, and we and and and it'd be crazy,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and then the other thing. And I know this is
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: gonna sound wild, but there was like this. There was
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: always the lure of this Internet thing that's new and
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: that there's pitches fucking horses on the Internet. So the
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: first thing me and the homies did when we got
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: a computer would see if that was true, and it was.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Bro, I know, we're not talking about best reality.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: On the early Internet days would be like, Bro, there's
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: bitches on the Internet, Like, what is this Internet thing?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Bro?
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: You don't understand? It's crazy, bro, And the ship would
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: be so fucking slow, so fucking hell. Epixelated AOL seven
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: day trial this spring for an hour, not crazy time.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: So speaking of animal, fucking dude, I just saw some
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: rumors about the Claremont Twins.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Did you hear about I heard about them, the chicks.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't hear, man, I've met them once.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: But I heard some ship on like X. Read some
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: ship on X the other day that was like there
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: were fucking dogs or something. I was like, what the
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: fuck was.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Like, No, Sawdi Prince paid them to do it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know, bro. So one of them, one of them.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, they doing some widow ship. They get shot
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty grand thirty grand to get and that's what
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: they're doing.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Shout out to our brothers at hard Dean man O's family.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Of course, they've been sponsoring the podcast for years now.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: You've been seeing the mic flag for years now. Want
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: to give a shout out to our brothers. I just
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: was in Vegas. I had to pull up, all right. Look,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: it's the number one dispensary in the world. When I
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: tell you, you walk in that thing and the butt tenders
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: are great. They take care of you immediately. The selection
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: is great. So when you go to Vegas, you get
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: into that cab, you get into that uber immediately, say
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: take me to Hardean. Don't know what they're doing, all right,
• 21:53
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• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I was just in town for Raffi's birthday. Had to
• 22:01
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• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Get this nice little one to one Harding jersey. These
• 22:06
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• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Shot to them, man, all right, salute to the family.
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• 22:13
  Speaker 1: get back to the podcast. Anyway, back to the art
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: you've painted so many people. Have you ever had somebody
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: who didn't like the fact that you painted them?
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Uh no, not necessarily. I know we were talking about
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the Doom thing before this, so I'll touch on that.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: So I had a couple of Doom pieces.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: At two to at two one was a commission for
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the other one's darker, right, Yeah, it was for Conductor.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I did that a couple of years ago. This was
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the first one. And I'm a fan of Doom as
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: much as anybody else. So obviously, you know, whenever I'm
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: painting portraits of notable figures, I typically try to do
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: them only as commission paintings. I don't like to do
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: them just for myself because it's just I don't know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: you know, like my dad in the beginning of his career,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: he you know, he created a collection a body of
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: work called the Icon Series, and it was just icons.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: It was celebrity work drugs. Yeah, but this is way
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: like early two thousands, and you know, he told me like, hey, dude,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: you don't want to get into that trap of doing
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: celebrities because everybody's doing it. Don't do what I did.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Make your own shit. So that's what I started doing.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: So for Doom though. That was a portrait that I
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: wanted to do just as a passion project, and it
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: blew the fuck up, and people were like, Yo, we
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: want prints, we want t shirts, like we want this ship,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: get it to us, because I had told the original
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: right away, and you know, for the for the fans,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, they really like having that memorabilia and that
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: stuff to decorate their house and they love that shit.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: So I tried to reach out to to Doom's a state.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I couldn't get a hold of him. So I said,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: you know what, here's what I'll do. I'm gonna drop
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: these prints and then when they reach out to me,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I got for that, no problem, and I did that.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I dropped the Prince limited edition prints. I held onto
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: the money and I eventually I had some people on
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: my Instagram being like, yo, are you donating the Dooms
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: of State? And I'm like, if you can get me
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: in contact with them, I got money for him, and
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: someone had forwarded me an email to you know, Rhyme
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Sayers and quote unquote.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah someonear I think Rhyme says runs his copywriter, his
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: likeliness for the estate, right.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: So I was trying to get in contact with his wife,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: because the way I saw it was like, if I'm
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: giving up any money, I want to give it to
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: her directly, exactly like I need to know is going
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: to his family. I'm not trying to give it to
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: no motherfucking label, like I'm supporting his his flesh and blood.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: That's how.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: That's how. That's because you're doing the right thing, not
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: necessarily because you have to write because this is the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: original art.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Or I mean it's not obscure. I mean it is.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, people, if these people came after every
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: single person that made fan art, I mean there's people
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: that are making tens of thousands of shit like this right,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm not making tens of thousands off
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: this shit. And and I do donate as much of
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: the proceeds as I can to if there's a foundation,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I'll donate anonymously. If I can't get a hold of him.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: So I was back and forth with this email who
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: was quote unquote his manager, and I'm.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, those guys definitely run his trademark and his licensing.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I know that for sure.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: So I told this guy said, look, I'm happy to,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: you know, break you off some of the pro seeds.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, but I really would like to get in
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: contact with his wife and give it to her directly
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: so I know that it went to its stores. And
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: he was like, well, you know she doesn't. I handle
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: everything that's via email. And I'm like, well, with all
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: due respect, I'm not trying to get scammed here. I
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: don't know who you are, Like, I'm not going to
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: go around bragging that I I donated money to Doom's family.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: And then it didn't go. It didn't get I'm not
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I just you know what I'm saying. So it just got.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: It was a lot of back and forth and it
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: got dropped fast forward. I did the Doom for Conductor
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: and then I was like, okay, let's try this again,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: because I wanted to make prints and but I wanted
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: to do it with Dooms of State. I said, let's
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: do it right, let's let's really do something special for
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the fans, and let's do this correct. I reached out again,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: and the same thing. Oh, pay us for the first thing,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: and then we could talk about the second. I'm like, okay,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: you know what, fuck it. At this point, give me
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: a Venmo, a PayPal, a Zelle, or nothing. I got
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: nothing back, so I said, all right, well, I guess
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: you guys don't want the fucking money that bad because
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to pay you and it just never happened.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: But every time I did some doom shit, whether it
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: was prints or merch, dude, I got a lot of
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: love for it. And there was a handful of people
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: that would be like, oh, you know, I hope you're
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: giving bread to the family, and I'm like, well, I'm
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: fucking trying to, dude, Like it's not easy, Like these
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: people are difficult sometimes, you know.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Sometimes yeah, I know the rhyme sayers bruhs are connected
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: with his estate officially, I just don't know, like to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the extent of how they I heard. I heard that
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: they're not the easiest cats to do with.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, via email, dude was a pain in the
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: fucking ass. And I was like, dude, I'm never doing
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: some doom ship again, like even if it was on
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: some commission ship, because I just it's just too much.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: It's just too much of a headache. And I'm like, look,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: it's all love, Like I'm a fan and I'm trying
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: to trying to contribute to uh, you know, where I'm
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: getting the inspiration from. I'm trying to contribute to the camp,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: but I want to make sure that it's going to
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: his family. Bro, Like like I'm gonna say some ship
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: that you know, It's like, CJ is my you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: biggie son is my homeboy, and I'm known CJ for
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: several years now.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: You did his dad?
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: I did yeah at Didy's studio.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: We talked about that last time.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: By the way, do we know where that is now?
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Because of course the studios I mean is it just.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Got the painting the craziest fucking story. So I'm tripping.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck is going on? I'm like,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: oh my god, it is ship is shit is hot?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: You know? It was like the the the amount of
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: notifications I was getting was crazy, and I'm like, a bro,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: where the fuck is my painting? I'd like to have
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: it back. At this point, it's gonna get just confiscated
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: by FBI. Who knows what kind of fucking jiz is
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: on it, you know what? Right? So I I tried
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: to find out where it was and then I couldn't
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: get any leads and then finally what's uh Stevie J
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: was on his Instagram live and someone sends me the
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: live and it's behind him, and I message Stevie, I go, hey,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: with all due respect, how the fuck did you get
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: my painting? Because that's not the studio that I recognized,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, it's here in Miami, like I'm
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: holding onto it and I'm like, oh where. I'm like,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: so I need to get that ship back, bro, Like
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: you know, if I can't, just I'd rather give it
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: to CJ. And but my yeah, my point in saying
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the whole CG thing is like I I have never
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: made prints of the Biggie piece in recent years, like
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I had did some fucking Kinko ship like way back
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: in the day that when I first did it, but
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: it was nothing legit. And I don't want to do
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: prints or T shirts without CJ. And you know, his
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: sister's consent, like that's the Homeboys. So sure, I'm like,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: if I do anything with that, I I only want
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: that money to go to him, and I want to
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: go anywhere else. Those kids, those those are his kids, like,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure I I speak for most people in
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: saying that that would be the right move. You know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I'm just break them off directly right, TEXTA C Jeff
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: fucking Apple, pay him?
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: If somebody wanted to get something commissioned, Yeah what what? What?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: How did? How does? How does that process work?
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Uh? Well, typically it's it's you know, just via DM.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Like if someone's say, if a rapper, someone's reaching out
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: to me, Hey, I want to get a painting, what
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: do you charge? And I typically have a formula the
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: way I charge. I have like a fixed dollar per
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: square inch, and commissions always are based off of size
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: and detail. So I have a bag, you know, a
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: general price, and then depending on what they want that
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: can vary, that can go up and down. And then
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: typically like depending on the project, I don't say yes
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: to everything, right Like I I think, I don't know
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: if I told you last time, but I was talking
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to like Meek Mill for like two years on doing
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: an album cover, but I was kind of we were
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: going back and forth about it. He wanted some fucking
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: crazy shit and I was like, Okay, well what I
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: don't know, bro, I saw the way you moved about
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: that fucking sneaker deal at that that's you know, trying
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: to get a crazy deal on some fucking sneakers. I'm like,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: you can't. You can't do this with art, bro, So
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't know what I was dealing with there.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: And plus I kind of wanted to consult Wes too.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I just you know, I keep I like keeping my
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: my wrapper world very tight knit with Wes in the
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Griselda camp because that's that's what we built.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look though, I think it is also
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: the It's it's if you start getting you know, commissioned
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: by other rappers. It's it's just another extent of the
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: influence that Gun and the Gun.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Has, Oh for sure. I was just telling them, Bro,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I got motherfuckers that owe me money bands, dude, for
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: paintings or for paintings, oh wow, because motherfuckers started moving
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: weird rappers trying to be like, you know, on that
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: West shit, and then they're moving, they end up moving
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: with I got a motherfucker that owes me.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Ten bands for a single piece of art, for a
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: single piece of art, and the original quote was twenty.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they already have it.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: So what's the Is there ever been something you've said
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: no to painting because it just doesn't sit well with you,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: or you're like I can't. I'm not painting that.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've had people, you know, you get
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: these random fucking trappers that want some bullshit artwork that
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: looks like some shit you could photoshop, and I'm like, dude,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing that shit.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Like if somebody was like, yo, I need Donald Trump,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I mean for the right price.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Hey, you know you may be, but no one has
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: asked me any political ship yet.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: You know, I feel like it would be hard. And
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I just had this random thought, if you did Nacho libre.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny. I just did a piece based on
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: that for my dad's Luca.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Are you talking about the one where with the l mask.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was I saw that and I was like, yo,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: if he did a natural libre Jack Black, that ship
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: would go crack.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's funny you say that because my dad
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: is actually trying to He's wants to do a lucha
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: event based on the real guy that that is based
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: on the real and he wants to get Jack Black
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: to host the event.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I'd go crazy, dude, wrestling is hot right now. Going crazy, dude.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: You should miss You just missed out on my dad's
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: tenth anniversary ship. Yeah, it was at a at a
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: super Chief gallery and that ship was fucking cracked.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Brother Kanye was using a bunch of Lucas ship for Bully.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Hunter Biden pulled up.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Oh bet Betty fucking did bro.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Hunter Biden pulled up.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: He's not a horrible artist.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen his work, but it's not bad.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I've seen some celebrity like Nepo art
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that you're like, come on, his ship is like not
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: as bad as like a lot of the stuff I've.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Seen, Like President Bush's ship isn't too bad. I mean, dude,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: President Bush can fucking paint.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Shouts to Hunter Biden.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of politicians that can paint. And we're
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: not going to talk about that dude who can paint.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: We could, but you know that dude can fucking paint too.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah he's a doodler.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that politicians can fucking paint. They love art.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: They ain't got shit else going on.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, they're just fucking yeah, they can.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe I should be a politician, you know,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: hey maybe No, No, I couldn't. That's a terrible job, dude.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: So what's next for you?
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Do you have like like like when you kind of
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: like visualize, like Okay, I kind of know what the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: next big because I feel like you have a couple
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: of these pieces, like like whether it's like the Mike
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I think the Mike Tyson piece is like its own thing.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: That was like, yeah, oh this is crazy.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Another situation to cut you off, but another situation where
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: you know, I did it out of love because I
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: you know, I love Mike and I love Ali, and
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I donated the proceeds to the foundations that they have.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Mike was anonymous.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: It was the Mike Tyson Foundation, like how to Smoke
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the Toad.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: It was the Benefits of d MT.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I just googled, like what what foundation does Mike advocate
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: or involved in, and it was some like some some
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: heart something, and I just I donated some money. That's synonymously.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: And then with the Ali thing, I have a friend
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: who put me in a show in Kentucky in Louisville,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: and it was a show and by the way, it's Louisville, Louisville,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: lou Louisville. Yeah.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I just saw a video today. Someone got annoyed and
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: they were like it's Louisville, Louisville. Yeah, it's like a noise.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Louisville. Yeah, I don't. I don't say that ship.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: But I went to I went to Louisville, Kentucky, and
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I was part of a group show with Shepherd Ferry.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: He was doing a big ass mural dedicated to Ali
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: and I had my my Ali piece there. And then
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: I from the princes that I made in the shirts
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: through my friend that that organized that whole thing, he
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: had a we exchanged and I was able to donate
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: direct for the foundation.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Do you because I think the last time I'd asked you,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: what's the most someone's ever paid for your art? Has
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: that has that changed? Or maybe even on the second second.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Well, everybody knows the last supper was one hundred thousand,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: that's West's Peace. But in recent days you know that,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Like I just I just sold a small painting about
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: that size for twenty one thousand, damn, And that's kind
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: of a big deal because those paintings I was typically
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: selling between seven and ten thousand, so the were that
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: kind of doubles going, right.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Have you seen anything on the resale market that has
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: caught your eye, like damn? Someone flipped my painting for
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: this all the time.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: All the time. Like I have, dude, the Prey for
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Paris prints that Wes and I did in twenty twenty.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Those are going for like two grand on eBay, so
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: he sold those for one hundred bucks two grand, dude,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: how much time's over is that? You know? It's twenty
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: x Like, yeah, it's fucking crazy. So people definitely are
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: flippers with the prints. Mostly with the originals, they're more
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: sat on. I've seen a couple originals go up for
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: sale and it's kind of whack because you're like, dude,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: hold on to it, like wait a few more years,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: like because you're just trying to you know, but people
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: are hurting. People want to, you know, they're selling their watches,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: they're selling.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: People are People are definitely hurting.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: The sneaker game is shot, you know, the fucking there's
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of games again, Yeah, there's a lot of
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: games that are shot right now. With with art is
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: just it's up and down, and we saw a little
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: bit of a rise last year. I'm seeing a rise
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: in my market right you know, I mean I'm doing
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I just did a fucking show in Paris, which was
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: crazy you know, I sold a portrait of Louis Vuitton
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: for fifteen thousand. I you know, just sold a painting
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: for twenty one thousand through the agency that I worked with,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: the management company Mansion of Art. Shout out to them.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: They were the ones that put the pair show together
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: and sold that painting. So yeah, it's just putting the
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: paintings in front of the right market, in the right people.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of my collectors consist of you know,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: hip hop heads and West Side fans, and you know
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: they got they got bread, but they don't got twenty
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: one thousand dollars art bread. You know, they got five
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars art bread. And so it's just that's why
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: the Prince I try to make the prints available for
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: people that want to collect.
• 37:33
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• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Something for me, you know.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: So for the on the Prey for Paris front, you
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: you don't do the original cover, right, the one with
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the head that's a Virgil flip.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I'll explain that. So sometimes I do the covers.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I do mostly the alternate covers that go on vinyl.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Because there is an alternate Prey for Paris cover yeah yeah.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Which I'm the alternate Pray for Paris, Yeah, which is
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: this essentially right, It's essentially that Simona Lisa with the
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: smiley face. So I had spoke to Wes. It was fun,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: this is crazy. So it was the last tour day
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: of the what was Shine Gun Do tour in La
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: talking to West backstage and I'm like, Ao, like, what
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: are we doing next? And He's like, I'm working on
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: my new album, Pray for Paris, And I said, what
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: are we doing for it? I'm sitting back there like
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: a mosquito, like the fuck we cooking? And he was like, oh,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I got Virgil on it. So I'm like all right, whatever,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: like you know, cool. So a few months go by
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: and then COVID hits, and then.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I was at the show because that was the show.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Oh when jay Z was back backstage, Yeah, and then
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: and then he had a moment with Conway.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: It was after did the cow.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it was hard. And then jay Z's and
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: backstage talking to.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Con and there was a game I think it was
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: a Bucks game. Bucks Lakers game was happening at Crypto
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: that night.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was just all packed. Yeah, he came
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: straight from there. Yep, yep, yep, yep. I was back there.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: But so I was talking to West and a couple
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: months go by, COVID hits. So I painted this Mona
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Lisa with the smiley face. I sent it to him
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: and he was like, yo, I gotta use that for
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: pray for Paris. I was like, yeah, the fuck you are, Like,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I know you are. So he That ended up becoming
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: the alternate cover that went on CDs, cassettes, merch. So
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Virgil's cover was what was on like DSPSP and some
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: of the most of the vinyls and there's some I
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: think there might be some vinyls with it. I'm not sure,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: but the covers that I've done that are out on
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: DSPs are like the Liz covers for Our Money, all
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: the you know, the ben Wa there was some it
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: was like on some DSPs and then like title I
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: think had the ben Walk cover with the Supreme Blind
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Time album. So it's like weird, like there's some DSPs
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: that have my.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Well and then like he just had to have a
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: bunch of shit taken down because the WW haters.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and now that's some bullshit brou I.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Don't know if there's a single guy who spent more
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: money on fucking wrestling tickets in him.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I'm so disappointed in WW for that ship like that.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I've never I've never seen a more heavier supporter in
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: hip hop than Wes likenif bro significantly, like you see,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: you know, you might have seen like way back in
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: the day, like maybe like a snoop at like whatever,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and that was cool, but like Wes.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Is, no, he's coming out of pocket, and he's coming
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: out of pocket culture.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're probably paying a snoop to be there, for sure,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Wes is paying to be there himself, and he's a
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: front row.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Fourth rope's going crazy though.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I think it kind of yeah, I think all that
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: ship kind of lit the fire under his ass, so
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: he needed to keep building that.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: And and they see him as a threat. They know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: like he's what he's doing with this indie ship is
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: he's creating a whole new wave and audience for wrestling,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: merging the hip hop and the merch. The merchant like
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: it's it's really pushing. It's an aspect that you can't
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: separate from the whole thing, like fourth rope. That's important,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: The fourth rope.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I mean that's how it started.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's the art. Art is at the forefront,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: and I'm you know, I'm part of that forefront because
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: when it's time to make art for the merch or Prince,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: he's hitting me. Guy, like we just did you know
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: the Virgil piece last year that was I didn't I
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: thought that was going to be on merch but it
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: was just Prince. And I'm working on several ship for
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: him right now as we speak, so I can't, you know,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: talk too much about it. But there's at least four
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: artworks that and the works and the like it's.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Put well, he had like his like museum of Art
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: in Phoenix forever. I don't know if it's that that
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: was his house, that was I know, but he damned
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: your turned his Yeah they called it the all right,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah it was a fucking thing.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. I want to actually talk
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: to him. He's going to hear it on fucking bootleg
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: okay podcast. First, we need to do a retrospective show
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: at the Buffalo Art Museum of all the work that
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I've done for him for the last ten years. That's
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: like fifty paintings, bro, that's a lot at the Buffalo
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Art Museum. That show will be bananasas well.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Listen to your show for your birthdays next Friday, Saturday Saturday,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: June sixth. Yeah, for sixth sixth.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Saturday, June sixth. My birthday is on the seventh. You know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I'm a fucking diehard Gemini, So but my birthday, the
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: show is on the six For friends and family, they know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: it's a birthday party. For the general public, it's it's
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: a it's a solotion.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Where is it.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be at Mad Rabbit Studios. Mad Rabbit is
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: a is a tattoo company.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: They is that in Hollywood District.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so there they have a tattoo shop that
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: serves as a creative space also in downtown, So I'm
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: taking over it. You using it as a gallery space
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: because it's really huge and contemporary, so it works well
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: for a gallery. Plus I do tattoos too, so it
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: just works. And those are my guys.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: You know, how often are you tattooing people?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I took a break for a year and a half
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: last year. Over the last year and a half, I've
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: been like really working on like mental health stuff, and
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I just had to pull back from that stuff. And
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: it's very like mentally draining because you know, you're thinking
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: about people's skin. You don't want to fuck anybody else.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: And plus you're it's a lot of energy exchange. You know,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: you're you're dealing with people, you're touching, you're fucking touching people,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: and you're sitting listening to people. People love to like
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: use that as therapy, so they're just talking about their problems.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: So I had to take a break and I just
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: started to yeah, and I'm like, ro shut the fuck up,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: place of doctor dre or sound like you know.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: You have you tattooed yourself?
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yeah, I've done most of this work right here, myself.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I got to touch the shut up and I'm looking
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: ashy as hell. And you know, Matt Rabbit. They there
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: at Tattoo Aftercare Company. So if anyone's got tattoos, you know,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: check their shut out because they got great products to
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: revitalize their tattoos. I did everything on this arm, and I.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Did That's gotta be hard to get my chest as well, even.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: That, yeah yeah, yeah, the birds on my chest. Yeah yeah,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: so yeah, you're in the mirror. Nah looking down. You
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: can't do it in the mirror because it's it's backwards.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we try to trip you out.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so the show is that mad Rabbit. It's
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: gonna be lit. I have works from Wes's personal collection
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: on view. Oh fine, so that's gonna be fun.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: And where do you know where the one hundred thousand
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: dollars Last Supper painting is kept? Yeah?
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's at his house. Okay, yeah, I see it
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: all the time. But he's got multiple places, bro, that's
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: all over the world. I in fucking Europe right now,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: you know, shout out to west you just got sold
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: out European tour, fucking gangster. I wish I was out there.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I just texted him yesterday. I'm like, bro, you better
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: saved me some fucking merch something because you know, hat
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  Speaker 2: or anything.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Ship go get Where can people just go to your
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: website to get a tickets to the show or show
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: up at the door.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Well, my website is Isaac Polile dot com. But the
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: best way to RSVP, dude, it's seventeen hundred RSVPs right now.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And it's probably not the biggest space.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: No, So there's gonna be a fat ass line and.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: There's probably gonna be people who can't get in. It
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: might get to the point where it's like, hey, we
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: gotta wait for ten people to leave.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm doing. I have my security running crowd
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: detail and they're going to be controlling, you know, the
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: capacity on the inside, letting people in as people come out.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: But what's exciting is that I'm releasing and I wanted
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: to tell talk about this on here. I'm releasing a
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: limited edition print collab with Shepherd Ferry. It's being available.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Was this something that the genesis of that happening? Was
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: you going to Louisville for the or you guys already
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: had some cooking.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I had been plotting this idea for several years, and
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I just was waiting for the right time to pitch.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: It's him. I mean, Shepherd does not know just anybody
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: that you could just pitch anyone, you know.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: One of the goats and even one of the most
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: iconic artists modern artists.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even though that he's you know, arguably
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: a friend, but I look at him as a mentor
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: and I look up to him first and foremost. I'm
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: a fan. I say I'm a fan first before I'm
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: a friend. So I'm always very like reluctant approaching him
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: about anything or any ideas, but I do consult him
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: a lot. I ask him for advice all the time
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: via email and and so finally, you know, I had this.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I was been sitting on this idea and I texted
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: him just literally a couple days ago, and I was like, dude,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you straight up and just give me.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: A no or yes.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I bring anything I'm fucking retarded or crazy whatever, but
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: what do you think about doing this collab with me
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: for my show? And he was like, yeah, let's do it.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, de was sweating. I was like really,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: So I said, look, I'll do all the work. I'll
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: handle it. So I have a team right now producing
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: the prints for me. But it's exciting because it's gonna
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: be dope. The fact that I have and it's related
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: to wrestling, and the fact that I have West Sides
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: are and art there and then we have prints I
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: have Princeville West that are available at the show as well.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: And now I have the print clab with Shepherd, the
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: two people that like, really I sit on the highest
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: pedestals in my in my career and in my life
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: as far as influence goes, and I have both of
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: them somehow involved in President in my show for my
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: thirtieth birthday, which is less about far less about money
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: or praise, but more about just the fact that I
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: get to say for my thirtieth birthday, I was able
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: to have like the two people that has influenced me
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: so heavily involved in my show. That's sweet and it's
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: so cool because you know, I just want to make
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: them proud, like I just want to stand on their shoulders.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: And so is it you you're painting with some Shepherd
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: like flavor.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: You want to see it?
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, I want to see I definitely want to see it.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you have to show it on camera, but
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: it's it's sick.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Oh that's fire.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So this is what we're doing. Super limited,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: you know, available at the show. So if you don't,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: if you don't get in line early, you're asked out.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: And plus I got ship you know, some collection tucked
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: away from me and West that I've been sitting on
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: that's going to be available there.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: No, that's hard.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: So and it's new merch hats, books, prints, custom tote
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: bags like you know, just ship for for the kids,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: for people to be able to buy.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: You know, you got to do a bear brick.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: That's crazy you say that because I have an all
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: white bear brick at the house that I'm going to
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: paint on for the show.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: You got it because I hit them up, But no,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I got I got the homies. There's a store name
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: called three D Retro Familiar and they do a designer con. Yeah,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: and they they've done They've helped a few artists get
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: bear bricks.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: You know I was supposed to get.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like the bear brick with the smiley face
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: will go crazy.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Well that's why I'm going to paint one myself. I
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: have one at the house. So I'm going to do
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: it for the show's crazy. You said that. It's literally
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: in my studio just waiting, So.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: You got, I got. I'll tell the guys from Designer Con.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: They gotta make it happen with the with the what
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: the fuck is the name of the Bearberg company, I
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: forget the name, but I.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Was medic medic medicon.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: So it's funny because you know J C. Lopez, that's
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: my boy, and uh, he was trying to put together
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: a thing with me an astro boy to do like
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: an astro boy by Uh that hasn't happened yet.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: But dude, I think the bear Brick shits it.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: No no brainer.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that ship would go crazy too, Like
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: for sure, I would love to do one of those.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm trying to get more into three D stuff,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: more toys, more collectibles.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: No dude, I think I think the bear Brick with
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: a smile face.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised you don't have some like bar bricks or.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: I'm not a crazy I have his stuffed animal.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, these are the plushy guys. Yeah, I know the
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: guys that did this, they hit me up.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: What's crazy?
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Is all his clothes can be removed, hence why his
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: pants are falling down.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: He paused, it's wild. Yeah, it's crazy to the machine bitch.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, No, I was talking to these guys. They
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: hit me.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: They got a dope store in Buffalo. They sent that
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: to me, and they sent some I forget what else
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: they said I had.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy, dude.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: This is so lit. This is tight. Yeah, this is
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: fucking dope. I gotta get I gotta get me all
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: three of them. I gotta get Benny.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Did they make make one for everyone?
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but if they did, I gotta get some.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Just on some cool.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Collec my cousin.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Vintage is the name of the place.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Shout to them. Yeah sick anyway, Yeah, Saturday six.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Saturday the six. Uh. You know my Instagram isaa Plyle.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: The RSP link is in my bio. Be the first
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: to get in line. It's gonna be lit. You're gonna
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: be there, dude.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I have to be at sea World on the sixth.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I have a station event that I am. I'm I
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: am intro I have to host.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: You're gonna tell me you're going to miss my thirtieth birthday.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Listen, I have to host. I'm on the radio in
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: San Diego jam in ninety five to seven and the
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: big station concert series is it SeaWorld.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Believe it or not, I'm hosting.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fucking I'm hosting the Ying Yang Twins concert
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: at sea World.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: At SeaWorld, damn you.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: They did it last summer. So this whole entire summer
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: they have like one day is E forty, one day
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: is Paul Wall and then another day is Soldier Boy
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: and then they're kicking it off with it's the first
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: of the concert series.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Ying Yang Twins did it last year and it went
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: hell a viral.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Not y'all turning up with fucking shambo.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: I have to introduce the Ying Yang Twins on stage
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: at SeaWorld.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: That is hilarious.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Wait, SeaWorld's where San Diego.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Uh huh, it's gonna be a uh, I don't know,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: taking the kids.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: The show is going to be up for at least
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: a month.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Oh it so it'll be available.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: It'll be available to go. So if you're back in
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: town and you want to check out, I'll take you
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: by and we'll you know, check out some work.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Dog. Yeah. Man, appreciate you pulling up man, I thank
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: you for having your family. My guy, Isaac makes you
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