Latest / The Sean O'Connell Show / Geoff Schwartz on Texas Tech's Brendan Sorsby getting his eligibility restored, What should the Big 12 do (?) + more

Transcript

Geoff Schwartz on Texas Tech's Brendan Sorsby getting his eligibility restored, What should the Big 12 do (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

0:04
Speaker 1: This sorts about Sean O'Connell show, you were home of
0:07
Speaker 1: the best Inside of your use. Let's get back to
0:10
Speaker 1: OOC From the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of ESPN seven hundred
0:15
Speaker 1: and ninety two one FM.
0:29
Speaker 2: There's no significant update on the Brendan Soorsby saga here
0:33
Speaker 2: on the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred ninety twoe FM.
0:37
Speaker 2: Reports are out that on the athletic director's call organized
0:42
Speaker 2: by the Big Twelve yesterday, all fifteen of the non
0:47
Speaker 2: Texas Tech athletic directors, we're protesting and saying we don't
0:51
Speaker 2: want Brendon stores be to be eligible. We don't want
0:52
Speaker 2: Brendon stores be to be able to play for fourteen.
0:59
Speaker 2: That makes sense for Cincinnati, Cincinnati, you have to just
1:02
Speaker 2: recuse yourself. Cincinnati was alerted to Brendan Soresby's gambling last
1:07
Speaker 2: August and still let him play, so Cincinnati cannot protest.
1:13
Speaker 2: Hopefully they were called out on the call yesterday. I
1:16
Speaker 2: hope Mark Harlan was like, yeah, we don't you know,
1:21
Speaker 2: express the Utah opinion whatever that is. You're you're the boss,
1:24
Speaker 2: you're the head of the department. You can do your thing.
1:27
Speaker 2: I hope that everyone else was like, Hey, Cincinnati, shut up.
1:33
Speaker 2: If I'm Texas Tech, especially I'm going Cincinnati. You can't
1:37
Speaker 2: say a word about Brendan Soresby being eligible to play here.
1:41
Speaker 2: You should have said he was ineligible to play there.
1:46
Speaker 2: Of course, Cincinnati couldn't afford that, and Texas Tech feels
1:49
Speaker 2: like they can't afford it either. That's the whole problem
1:51
Speaker 2: we have here. Social media is rife with opinion and
1:55
Speaker 2: news and all that stuff around this saga and around
1:59
Speaker 2: the decision by a judge in Texas to grant an
2:02
Speaker 2: injunction allowing Brendan Soorsby to be eligible for the twenty
2:07
Speaker 2: twenty six college football season. As I have stayed him
2:10
Speaker 2: many times now, I went all the way up and
2:12
Speaker 2: down the ladder and settled on you know what, fine,
2:15
Speaker 2: let him play. I don't think he's gonna give you
2:17
Speaker 2: what you think anyway. And I think that everyone is
2:21
Speaker 2: gonna be hating on you guys for the entire season,
2:26
Speaker 2: and you're gonna deserve it. Let's see what Jeff Schwartz thinks.
2:30
Speaker 2: This is a guy I want to make sure we
2:32
Speaker 2: have the right context here. Jeff played at the University
2:36
Speaker 2: of Oregon. Jeff played a decade in the NFL. Jeff
2:38
Speaker 2: has been every level of football, He's been in every
2:40
Speaker 2: conversation with football. And Jeff is also a sports gambling officionado,
2:48
Speaker 2: so knows all the watchdog organizations, knows all of the
2:53
Speaker 2: steps and the tips and the tricks of the trade
2:55
Speaker 2: to make sure we keep corruption out of the sports
2:58
Speaker 2: themselves by flagging things like I don't know players gambling
3:02
Speaker 2: or irregular betting habits and things like that. He speaks
3:07
Speaker 2: from a much more knowledgeable perspective than the average bloke.
3:10
Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz joins us. Now, Hi, Jeff.
3:14
Speaker 3: Henybody, how you doing it a while?
3:16
Speaker 2: I know it's been a long time. I hope you're
3:18
Speaker 2: getting geared up for me to bother you, like on
3:21
Speaker 2: a weekly basis, at least sooner than later.
3:24
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to starting the season. Absolutely, you would
3:27
Speaker 3: have liked this today in class, my last my daughter's
3:29
Speaker 3: last day, would say that the teacher did like a
3:32
Speaker 3: awards thing right, and she gave my daughter like the
3:35
Speaker 3: most peaceful class made award essentially. And I sent it
3:38
Speaker 3: to a group text, the family group text, and I'm
3:41
Speaker 3: showing it, and they were shocked because her nickname is
3:43
Speaker 3: the witch Dragon, the witch Dragon, cut to the Peaceful
3:49
Speaker 3: Beaver award, whatever it was at school today, Old Emmy Schwartz,
3:54
Speaker 3: you munched after your kids be peaceful in school? Then
3:56
Speaker 3: the not I guess, but that is not my daughter.
3:58
Speaker 2: That's all right, now, that's hilarious. Just uh, just a
4:04
Speaker 2: different to different personality when with her schoolmates. Then when
4:08
Speaker 2: she's at home. That's good.
4:11
Speaker 3: I'll take it. Yeah.
4:12
Speaker 2: Uh, let's talk about this Soresby thing. Obviously, you know
4:16
Speaker 2: he's been granted the injunction, he's eligible to play. Depending
4:19
Speaker 2: on who you talk to, there are a lot of
4:21
Speaker 2: folks that expressed like shock and dismay over this. And
4:24
Speaker 2: then we had, for example, like Ari Tempkin on yesterday
4:27
Speaker 2: and Ari's like, I've been telling people this is how
4:29
Speaker 2: it's going to end, that he is going to get
4:31
Speaker 2: this injunction. He is going to be allowed to play
4:34
Speaker 2: this year. Where were you on your level of surprise
4:37
Speaker 2: when it came to Soresby winning his case and getting
4:40
Speaker 2: to play in twenty twenty six.
4:44
Speaker 3: Well, it depends you to care about the rule of
4:47
Speaker 3: law or not right because he broke the rules like
4:51
Speaker 3: he anew he broke the rules and you know he
4:55
Speaker 3: claimed that it was his you know, his mental health
4:59
Speaker 3: right his camera. That was the reason why you know
5:03
Speaker 3: he made these wagers and the reason why he was
5:05
Speaker 3: involved in sports wagering, and he went to rehab for it,
5:09
Speaker 3: and that the NAA DOT consider those you know, those
5:14
Speaker 3: uh milliame sugar stantas when they're supposed to consider that
5:18
Speaker 3: for whether or not you are suspended. But he broke
5:21
Speaker 3: the rule that we all know as players, you cannot
5:23
Speaker 3: bet in your own team. It's a very black and
5:25
Speaker 3: white rule. Do not beting your own team. Right now,
5:28
Speaker 3: people will say, well, he wasn't playing at the time,
5:31
Speaker 3: and you're right, he wasn't playing at the time. But Sean,
5:34
Speaker 3: if you start allowing this to happen, then what happens next?
5:38
Speaker 3: Cant have to start wagering on games they're playing, like
5:40
Speaker 3: that's the next logical thing to happen, like the idea,
5:43
Speaker 3: like you you The reason why I think you have
5:46
Speaker 3: to be so harsh in punishing players at the lowest
5:51
Speaker 3: level of crime, right is because you don't want this
5:55
Speaker 3: to escalate the something else. And if you allow the
5:58
Speaker 3: first thing to happen, then the next thing's gonna happen.
6:01
Speaker 3: Nexhing's gonna happen. This thing's gonna happen, right, and so
6:05
Speaker 3: that's what that's what I worry about. And look, the
6:08
Speaker 3: judge you know, said, you know that this is doing
6:10
Speaker 3: reperal harm to him, stay out of season. So he's
6:13
Speaker 3: basically gonna stay the case right until after the season.
6:17
Speaker 3: We'll figure out that. Well, obviously you'pe being the NFL
6:19
Speaker 3: that too play to be suspended, right. I think it's
6:22
Speaker 3: a really bad message to send that you can gamble
6:25
Speaker 3: on your own team and then blame mental health. And look,
6:28
Speaker 3: you talk about mental health, I talk about it. We
6:30
Speaker 3: we have our own, you know, you know, issues to
6:32
Speaker 3: deal with in our lives. But I find it hard
6:37
Speaker 3: to believe that a rule that is so steadfast and
6:43
Speaker 3: you don't gamble on your team, it's something you can
6:46
Speaker 3: claim mental health is the reason why you broke the rule, right, Like,
6:51
Speaker 3: it's not like you consciously did that. You knew what
6:55
Speaker 3: you were doing. In my opinion, you knew what you
6:57
Speaker 3: were doing when you place those best because it's not
6:59
Speaker 3: something that it's like maybe maybe don't bet in your team, Well,
7:02
Speaker 3: don't bet on your team, don't bet on a sport
7:04
Speaker 3: you're playing they have meetings about this, and I'm sure
7:07
Speaker 3: Utah will have an extra meeting this summer when the
7:11
Speaker 3: players come back, we'll start a training camp about sports wager.
7:15
Speaker 3: Everyone does it, everyone knows what it's about. So I
7:18
Speaker 3: just found it to be the wrong decision in my opinion.
7:22
Speaker 3: And if you can't just say, hey, he broke a rule,
7:27
Speaker 3: he gets suspended for it, why do any rules matter? Right, Well,
7:32
Speaker 3: I can just always say, well, my mental health, my
7:34
Speaker 3: mental health, my mental health seun we have no rules
7:38
Speaker 3: anymore that we're at We have no rules whatsoever in
7:41
Speaker 3: college sports.
7:41
Speaker 2: Well, I know this is not a criminal case, this
7:44
Speaker 2: is an eligibility case, but it does set, like you said,
7:47
Speaker 2: it sets a very dangerous precedent where you say, all right, well,
7:52
Speaker 2: if the gambling is the in this case, the illegal
7:55
Speaker 2: activity illegal by the rules of the body that you
7:58
Speaker 2: exist under as a college football player, you know it.
8:01
Speaker 2: You have known it. Everyone knows it. You clearly exhibited
8:05
Speaker 2: that you knew it was against the rules because you
8:07
Speaker 2: were trying to hide it. And then when it all
8:09
Speaker 2: came out, then you decided that this was a mental
8:11
Speaker 2: health problem for yourself. If if gambling and then your
8:17
Speaker 2: the consequences of gambling are going to be detrimental to
8:21
Speaker 2: your mental health, then why is this not just the
8:24
Speaker 2: defense the injunction that every player, in every case, in
8:27
Speaker 2: every sport is always going to seek. I was drunk driving,
8:32
Speaker 2: and now I'm suspended for a game for drunk driving.
8:35
Speaker 2: But being suspended for this game is actually going to
8:38
Speaker 2: be detrimental to my mental health. So I need a
8:41
Speaker 2: judge to push this off until February so I can
8:43
Speaker 2: play like I was being somewhat facetious yesterday when I
8:48
Speaker 2: said I'm not going to accept any negative consequence for
8:50
Speaker 2: any of my actions ever again. But that's effectively what
8:54
Speaker 2: is happening here. He's a guy who broke the rule
8:57
Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of times, knew he was breaking a
8:59
Speaker 2: rule wi he was doing it, and instead of having
9:02
Speaker 2: to pay the consequences for that, he just cries wolf about,
9:05
Speaker 2: oh well, it'll be too hard for me to miss
9:08
Speaker 2: this season, so he's protected from it. No negative consequences
9:13
Speaker 2: means I don't have to accept when I do something wrong,
9:16
Speaker 2: whatever that punishment is.
9:20
Speaker 3: You're exactly right. Unfortunately, it does feel like this is
9:25
Speaker 3: happening way too often, and other walks of society right
9:28
Speaker 3: where people committing crimes and getting away with it and whatnot.
9:32
Speaker 3: And this is and again it's not a crime. He
9:34
Speaker 3: is nothing illegal, right, It's so that's the wrong way
9:37
Speaker 3: we've herdershed to use. But the fact is, like and
9:39
Speaker 3: the dinner see me, he did it. Yeah, I did it.
9:42
Speaker 2: I did it.
9:42
Speaker 3: I did it, And it does look gamily addiction is real. Okay,
9:48
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that he doesn't have a gambling addiction
9:51
Speaker 3: or that it's not a real thing he has. But
9:54
Speaker 3: he also knew that what he was doing was illegal.
9:57
Speaker 3: I can't imagine didn't know that, right because of all
9:59
Speaker 3: the so what this feels like it's going to allow
10:04
Speaker 3: what you say to just come up with that as
10:05
Speaker 3: your as your reasoning every time and maybe take away
10:08
Speaker 3: from some real mental health issues right that are bothering
10:11
Speaker 3: people in the sport that come up now and then,
10:13
Speaker 3: and like, I just I don't like you man, Like
10:17
Speaker 3: the other thing I want to say, I see this
10:22
Speaker 3: pushback a lot. We've just been on his own team.
10:24
Speaker 3: Why is it? Why do you care? Why does it matter?
10:27
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you why it matters in my opinion.
10:30
Speaker 3: So people will say, well, just just beg your team
10:33
Speaker 3: to win, Like, who cares? Well? Let me let me
10:35
Speaker 3: tell you something, Sean, If you have an extra five
10:38
Speaker 3: thousand on a game, ten thounsd on the game, are
10:41
Speaker 3: you gonna do some unnatural things try to win that game?
10:44
Speaker 3: Are you a quarterback and a force to throw on
10:47
Speaker 3: third down? You're a running back a wide receiver. Are
10:50
Speaker 3: you gonna try to dive over a pile? Put you know,
10:53
Speaker 3: put the ball over the goal onner first down? Your
10:55
Speaker 3: coach tells you not to, you fumble the ball at
10:58
Speaker 3: the back of the end zone at the touchback, Like,
11:00
Speaker 3: are you gonna? Are you gonna injured players on purpose
11:03
Speaker 3: or the other team? You know, there's chances that players
11:06
Speaker 3: have every game to pull up and not. Is there
11:08
Speaker 3: someone the most time we take the we know I
11:10
Speaker 3: want to hurt you. One of my own play to
11:11
Speaker 3: hurt people, And like, are players gonna try to hurt
11:15
Speaker 3: other guys? What happens? What if your swords being you
11:19
Speaker 3: bet on the first seven games of the season and
11:21
Speaker 3: you don't bet on game eight. People draftings will figure
11:25
Speaker 3: that out pretty fast. Well, what a source we know
11:28
Speaker 3: about about this? What happens if you're down ten twenty
11:31
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. You need some cash, you can turn to
11:34
Speaker 3: a third party. You're gonna turn to the local bookie
11:37
Speaker 3: in town. You're gonna turn to someone who tells you, hey, man,
11:40
Speaker 3: you can you throw your player puck? You throw the
11:42
Speaker 3: game like to me, you just have to say no
11:45
Speaker 3: to this, all right. The integrity game is so important
11:49
Speaker 3: when you watch any sports. We're gonna watch game for
11:51
Speaker 3: tonight of the NBA Finals. When you watch that game tonight,
11:55
Speaker 3: you're watching it knowing that the players are there for
11:59
Speaker 3: the right reason, right, they're trying to win the basketball game.
12:02
Speaker 3: If you're watching that game, when you think to yourself,
12:04
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I don't know if Wenby's in
12:06
Speaker 3: it for the right reasons or printing it ruins experiences
12:09
Speaker 3: a fan. It makes you question whether or not you
12:12
Speaker 3: know the sport you're watching is valid, whether if the
12:15
Speaker 3: results are valid. Every time tack just take place right,
12:18
Speaker 3: wrong and difference towards me. Did not throw games. I'm
12:21
Speaker 3: not excusing doing that. He absously did not do that. Every
12:23
Speaker 3: interception he throws, though, Sean, every every fumble, you're gonna wonder, right,
12:29
Speaker 3: you're hunger about it. You know, every leg touchdown he
12:32
Speaker 3: throws said, you know, to score one more touchdown? You know,
12:35
Speaker 3: did he bet on a team in this game? It's
12:38
Speaker 3: just it's all bad.
12:40
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is I he played really pretty
12:43
Speaker 2: poor against Utah last year. Cincinnati ended up losing that
12:47
Speaker 2: game by whatever was thirty five points, and of course
12:52
Speaker 2: we were like, yeah, Utah just figured it out, and
12:56
Speaker 2: we talked to the coaching staff. The coaching staff said
12:58
Speaker 2: they found some tendencies of his own film that they
13:00
Speaker 2: forced him into. And You're like, yep, this coaching staff
13:03
Speaker 2: is great and that's why it happened the way it did.
13:05
Speaker 2: And I still believe that that is the bulk of it.
13:08
Speaker 2: But we had a texter yesterday. It was just like
13:12
Speaker 2: Sorsby's game against Utah last year was absolutely terrible. Is
13:16
Speaker 2: his worst game of the year. How do we know
13:17
Speaker 2: that he was trying his hardest? And I'm like, man like,
13:21
Speaker 2: even though I I just don't want to have to
13:24
Speaker 2: ask that question to drive your point home, I don't
13:26
Speaker 2: want to have that be a possibility. I want the
13:30
Speaker 2: true story to be well, no, Utah is just better
13:34
Speaker 2: and that's why they beat him that way, and that's
13:35
Speaker 2: why they forced him to look bad in that game.
13:38
Speaker 2: But then someone brings in like, well, now that we
13:41
Speaker 2: know that this guy's deeply involved in gambling, and to
13:44
Speaker 2: be fair to him, we don't have any evidence that
13:46
Speaker 2: he was gambling against his own team, or that he
13:48
Speaker 2: was gambling on his own performances, et cetera, et cetera.
13:51
Speaker 2: We do, however, have evidence that he was funneling money
13:55
Speaker 2: to other people to place wagers for him. So there's
13:59
Speaker 2: the possibility there. But that's the point that you're making
14:02
Speaker 2: that we don't want to have to ask that question
14:05
Speaker 2: because it compromises your experience as a fan.
14:09
Speaker 3: And it covers the legitimacy of the game in hand. Look,
14:13
Speaker 3: I say this often. I use example often. It feels
14:16
Speaker 3: like kind of I don't know what the right worry
14:18
Speaker 3: is to like explain this, but like the NFL cares
14:24
Speaker 3: about the integrity of the shield, right, they tell her
14:26
Speaker 3: all the time, and gambling is such a black mark,
14:34
Speaker 3: a red mark we we're going to use like on
14:37
Speaker 3: on the league that they just spend one year, Right,
14:43
Speaker 3: you're caught gambling on the sports like Calvin Ridley, right,
14:46
Speaker 3: was he was on into a reserve and he put
14:48
Speaker 3: a gambling on some team. Right, one year, you hit
14:52
Speaker 3: your wife, you get six games, right like, because they
14:57
Speaker 3: don't view that, right sean as an integrity problem for
15:00
Speaker 3: the entire league. That might be integery problem for me
15:03
Speaker 3: and you like I I you know, there was a
15:06
Speaker 3: story about a RAMS player yesterday. I'm like, what what
15:09
Speaker 3: what are we doing? Man like while we touching women? Like?
15:13
Speaker 3: And but they spent a year for gambling because the
15:16
Speaker 3: integrity the game is tied up in that where unfortunately
15:19
Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like you know, players continue to play
15:21
Speaker 3: obviously after after those internets happened, Like, that's how important
15:25
Speaker 3: integrity game that the NFL feels about it in college football,
15:28
Speaker 3: and it's not college football for say, it is one
15:31
Speaker 3: judge at the moment, it's sort of deciding that integrity
15:34
Speaker 3: game might not matter as much and just well, we're
15:40
Speaker 3: this league. I don't know.
15:41
Speaker 2: I that's one of many problems I have with this
15:44
Speaker 2: whole situation because what we have seen in the last
15:48
Speaker 2: several years for college sports is it's it's getting closer
15:52
Speaker 2: and closer to the pro game, and it's a lot
15:54
Speaker 2: more permissive than the pro game. Right, But players and
15:57
Speaker 2: coaches and everyone they're just like, yeah, we're pushing towards
16:01
Speaker 2: this being professional. This is professional. The players and their advocates,
16:04
Speaker 2: their agents have said, no, you treat them like professionals.
16:07
Speaker 2: They are professionals. They're earning money for you like professionals do.
16:11
Speaker 2: They should be compensated like professionals. And when professionals are
16:15
Speaker 2: caught gambling, When professionals are involved in gambling, the consequences
16:21
Speaker 2: are dire. They are punished, like you just said, more
16:25
Speaker 2: heavily for that than they are for things that are
16:27
Speaker 2: far more morally reprehensible. If we're being honest, right, like true,
16:32
Speaker 2: But because of the point that you just made, so
16:36
Speaker 2: we have to decide we don't. These athletes and their
16:40
Speaker 2: representatives have to decide, Okay, you want these guys to
16:43
Speaker 2: be treated like professionals, you want these young women in
16:45
Speaker 2: college sports to be treated like professionals. Part of being
16:48
Speaker 2: treated like a professional is you better be willing to
16:51
Speaker 2: accept the kind of punishments that the professionals get when
16:55
Speaker 2: they're breaking these kinds of rules. And we've just like
16:57
Speaker 2: thrown it all out the window. One moron, judge is
17:02
Speaker 2: threatening so many different things because he fell for the
17:06
Speaker 2: I don't even think he fell for it. I just
17:07
Speaker 2: think he's doing somebody a favor, but he got duped
17:11
Speaker 2: by the whole mental health argument. It's ridiculous.
17:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I feel, you know, it's a very
17:17
Speaker 3: sense to the top of the right, the mental health
17:19
Speaker 3: part of this right, because I think that obviously, you know,
17:22
Speaker 3: he had an addiction. He was betting on you know,
17:24
Speaker 3: balls and strikes, the individual pictures of the baseball game.
17:27
Speaker 3: Like he's sending money out of state to people that
17:29
Speaker 3: gamble for him. There's ways to gamble in a non gamble.
17:33
Speaker 3: If I go to Utah, I can still find a wager.
17:35
Speaker 3: I don't have, you know, like you don't have to
17:36
Speaker 3: send money outside the state to make it happen. And
17:40
Speaker 3: like so, he definitely had an addiction. He definitely, you know,
17:43
Speaker 3: needed to find, you know, a way to get over it.
17:46
Speaker 3: I am. I am with that. The problem is again,
17:50
Speaker 3: is that now the judge accept this argument. To your point,
17:54
Speaker 3: you can use it on anything, right, You can use
17:56
Speaker 3: any any excuse. Now it feels like you know, if
17:59
Speaker 3: you go to alcohol rehab for thirty days after you
18:01
Speaker 3: get a duy, I mean that like you your mental health,
18:04
Speaker 3: like that's the reason why you got the best you know,
18:06
Speaker 3: d U. I I don't like the last thing I
18:10
Speaker 3: want to say this in this this I can't stand
18:12
Speaker 3: that that people make this argument. It's so dumb. People say, well,
18:16
Speaker 3: college football has brought to you by Draftings are fan duel? Okay,
18:21
Speaker 3: So like if you get a duy, do I get
18:24
Speaker 3: to say, well you have to sponsored by Coors Lights?
18:27
Speaker 2: Yeah?
18:29
Speaker 3: Like you have self control? What are you thinking? There
18:32
Speaker 3: are rules, the rules you can't like gamble on your
18:34
Speaker 3: team while you're playing, don't matter if you're if you're
18:37
Speaker 3: there's no Draftings boost that says gamble on your team
18:40
Speaker 3: that you're playing on. Like the idea that that players
18:44
Speaker 3: can't follow the rule of law because draft Kings sponsors
18:47
Speaker 3: your college football team, to me is just a ludicrous argument.
18:51
Speaker 3: It's very unserious.
18:53
Speaker 2: Here's another thing, and this is more of a football question. Right,
18:57
Speaker 2: So Texas Tech has decided to die on this hill. Right.
19:00
Speaker 2: Texas Tech is like, yeah, man, we have this really
19:03
Speaker 2: good backup Will Hammon who's injured in rehabbing, but we're
19:07
Speaker 2: not gonna wait for him. We spent this money on Soresby.
19:10
Speaker 2: He's never played it down for Texas Tech. And they
19:13
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, we will become public enemy number one
19:16
Speaker 2: to defend this kid's ability to play here. Texas Tech
19:20
Speaker 2: could very easily walk away from this. They could very
19:22
Speaker 2: easily say, yeah, we're not going to Is this worth
19:26
Speaker 2: it for Texas Tech? In your mind? Is this whole
19:28
Speaker 2: thing where Brendon Soorsby is going to be their starter?
19:31
Speaker 2: Barring any surprise changes, He's going to be their starter
19:34
Speaker 2: in every game. They're gonna get boot out of every building.
19:36
Speaker 2: They're gonna get ragged on by everybody for every win
19:39
Speaker 2: and even more for every loss. Is it worth it
19:42
Speaker 2: from a football perspective to defend this one player?
19:49
Speaker 3: Well, well, from their perspective, they're treating this like it's
19:53
Speaker 3: them birth into double A right, Like they are setting
19:59
Speaker 3: up accident to help all student athletes, right, which is
20:02
Speaker 3: kind of BS. I think. Look, they're ares jumped pretty
20:08
Speaker 3: typically win the Big Twelve. I think they are the
20:10
Speaker 3: rightful favorite to win the Big Twelve. He's a very
20:12
Speaker 3: good quarterback. You know, if this was not something that
20:15
Speaker 3: was on you know, on his record, he would be
20:17
Speaker 3: a first round pickuting after the season. He's a really
20:19
Speaker 3: good quarterback. The team is gonna be good again this season.
20:21
Speaker 3: They're they're doing a couple of things, Sean, they're more
20:24
Speaker 3: they're they're they I think are rightfully honestly have figured
20:28
Speaker 3: out that in the end nothing will change. Like I
20:32
Speaker 3: love this big bad talk. Oh, the Big ten is
20:35
Speaker 3: not gonna schedule technis tech anymore. I don't believe that
20:38
Speaker 3: the Big twelve commissioners are too. The Big twelve ads
20:42
Speaker 3: have gotten together and they're about nothing's gonna happen, Sean,
20:45
Speaker 3: not this year, at least, maybe next year, maybe a
20:47
Speaker 3: year after that. But you feing a lot of a
20:49
Speaker 3: lot of hot air right now, a lot of puffing
20:52
Speaker 3: the chest up. I think there's the second is rightfully
20:56
Speaker 3: just like you got known this is none of the
20:57
Speaker 3: things you've thrown are going to happen. So we'll just
21:00
Speaker 3: play towards Mede. We'll trying to win a championship this
21:02
Speaker 3: season and we'll deal with the backlash later or but
21:07
Speaker 3: they won't be like a week seven are we talking
21:10
Speaker 3: about this? I mean, if they're seven to zero and
21:12
Speaker 3: top three, maybe, but probably not right. I just think
21:17
Speaker 3: they taculate this. The outrage will be over pretty fast.
21:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is one where it might not be.
21:23
Speaker 2: But we'll see, Like if I mean, it would.
21:26
Speaker 3: Be like like like, is any guys coasting Texas Tech
21:28
Speaker 3: this year?
21:29
Speaker 2: No? So Utah and b why you both missed Tech
21:33
Speaker 2: on the regular season schedule.
21:35
Speaker 3: So like it's gonna be really the booze are gonna
21:38
Speaker 3: be loud, Like it's gonna be hostile every place you go.
21:41
Speaker 3: And maybe the effects scheduling, like maybe the the basketball
21:44
Speaker 3: team and softball team is really good, like can't find
21:47
Speaker 3: non conference opponents. It won't happen in football in my opinion,
21:50
Speaker 3: I mean even then that really helps tex To Tech
21:52
Speaker 3: play three really bad non conference opponents. So I don't know, man,
22:00
Speaker 3: I think that every school would do this. I think
22:02
Speaker 3: every school would. I think Organ, I think Utah if
22:04
Speaker 3: the thing spot would defend their quarterback. Honestly, I don't
22:06
Speaker 3: think that would change. Now, maybe they don't take the
22:08
Speaker 3: quarterback right like the this is all I think out
22:11
Speaker 3: there before they went not out there publicly, But there
22:14
Speaker 3: was no one who was under investigation before Texa Tech
22:16
Speaker 3: signed him, So maybe our schools wouldn't have done that.
22:19
Speaker 3: I feel if he was on the roster, our schools
22:22
Speaker 3: would fight for anyway Texas Tech has.
22:26
Speaker 2: You're probably I guess you're probably right. I just I
22:29
Speaker 2: don't know definitively, because the consequence for everybody is so
22:34
Speaker 2: broad and sweeping. I mean, the precedent here, like we've
22:38
Speaker 2: already talked about enough, is just it's a dangerous one
22:41
Speaker 2: to set. And I don't want to like be overly dramatic,
22:46
Speaker 2: but if you're if your quarterback at Oregon was caught
22:50
Speaker 2: dealing drugs, which is against NCAA rules and it is
22:55
Speaker 2: against actual American law, I don't know that the team
23:00
Speaker 2: is going to be like, well, we put him in rehab,
23:02
Speaker 2: and uh now we're appealing so that he can play.
23:06
Speaker 2: Like I think that a lot of times when it's
23:10
Speaker 2: something this drastic, there are teams that are like, you
23:13
Speaker 2: know what, Yeah, we we have to like, we have
23:16
Speaker 2: to let these guys suffer their consequences. But I don't know.
23:19
Speaker 2: There's also plenty of examples of the opposite. There's plenty
23:22
Speaker 2: of examples of guys like Baker Mayfield was running away
23:25
Speaker 2: from the cops and he was still playing. So it's
23:29
Speaker 2: it goes both ways.
23:31
Speaker 3: I just I with this. I saw this quote from
23:35
Speaker 3: Joey McGuire, the Texas tach head coach. He said, brands
23:39
Speaker 3: always be returning from week for Week three against Houston.
23:42
Speaker 3: He's spending remember week one and two is a stretch quote.
23:46
Speaker 3: He's recovering from an addiction. I've sat down with as
23:49
Speaker 3: young man multiple times, and what he's going through and
23:51
Speaker 3: what he has been through a serious he's still a
23:54
Speaker 3: methadic dude. Like he can't start Week three the gambling edition.
23:58
Speaker 2: So this, So this is another This is another reason
24:00
Speaker 2: why I asked the question is it worth it for Tech?
24:03
Speaker 2: Because like Joey maguire went from being one of the
24:07
Speaker 2: most respected coaches in college football because of what he
24:10
Speaker 2: was able to put together last year to a guy
24:13
Speaker 2: who's now spinning things this way, like we're gonna we're
24:17
Speaker 2: probably not gonna be allowed to talk to him at
24:19
Speaker 2: Big twelve media days, but I so desperately want to
24:22
Speaker 2: have him sit down in front of me and be like,
24:24
Speaker 2: do you really think this was about the mental health
24:26
Speaker 2: of Brendan Soresby? Make that case for me, coach, because
24:29
Speaker 2: he's lying if he does, it's not about that at all.
24:33
Speaker 2: So that's what I mean. Is it worth it to
24:35
Speaker 2: have your coach, who's a really good football coach sitting
24:38
Speaker 2: there spitting these like weird political spin, lies and undermining
24:44
Speaker 2: his own respectability. It's just not for me, but for them.
24:47
Speaker 2: I guess it is.
24:50
Speaker 3: I I he can't play a week three because a
25:00
Speaker 3: gamble addition me, what did we have for thirty days
25:02
Speaker 3: for in March? That's that the argument we're making here, Like,
25:06
Speaker 3: oh boy, it's just this is the point. Like I'm
25:09
Speaker 3: not saying the judge has to do a solid for
25:11
Speaker 3: all of us, but he suspended for the year. We're like, yeah,
25:13
Speaker 3: he broke the rules. That's what happens, that's right. We're
25:16
Speaker 3: just like like, yeah, okay, yeah, you broke the rule.
25:19
Speaker 3: I mean, like, look, I don't want to make this
25:21
Speaker 3: a broad the country, but like we just don't respect
25:26
Speaker 3: the rule a lot anymore in our country. We just
25:27
Speaker 3: don't like it's just fundamentally not part of what we
25:30
Speaker 3: believe anymore a lot. It's unfortunate. There's another example of it.
25:35
Speaker 3: Just like he broke a rule. It's a rule that's
25:38
Speaker 3: black and white. Everyone knows what the rule is. You
25:40
Speaker 3: might not like the rule. The things I don't like
25:43
Speaker 3: about rules and sports that I don't have a sports whativer.
25:46
Speaker 3: I don't like some of the rules we have in
25:48
Speaker 3: our country, but like their rules, like they're they are
25:51
Speaker 3: what they are. You can not like them, but to
25:53
Speaker 3: just say yeah, I broke the rule, but would have
25:55
Speaker 3: man like I wasn't in a good mental head space
25:58
Speaker 3: and judges like, yeah, cool, we're good. I just I
26:02
Speaker 3: have to back. I have to buy president. Lastly, my
26:06
Speaker 3: wife just asked me if you're coming to Dallas, but
26:08
Speaker 3: are you coming to Dallas? You're gonna join me?
26:11
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm gonna begin Dallas twice in one week.
26:14
Speaker 2: I think.
26:15
Speaker 3: Let's go. When I come and then you're coming here,
26:18
Speaker 3: I think I'll be there. My bells and whistles off.
26:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, what day is your What days your party again?
26:25
Speaker 3: Sunday the twelve or thirteenth? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, good, okay, awesome, good,
26:31
Speaker 3: all right. She puts you down in the in the
26:33
Speaker 3: in the saying I just my wife is such a joy.
26:37
Speaker 3: She puts you down as like a Sean radio guy.
26:39
Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, I'm like, can you just like it's
26:48
Speaker 3: he's we moved past radio guy Like.
26:53
Speaker 2: Fine, fine, I can't.
26:55
Speaker 3: I can't explain that.
26:57
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe maybe when we get to ten years
26:59
Speaker 2: of no each other, I will have a last name.
27:01
Speaker 2: It's fine, it's fine.
27:04
Speaker 3: I think my wife's talking in the internet too, like
27:07
Speaker 3: they test each other. It's just, it's just.
27:11
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.
27:13
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know how to explain there,
27:15
Speaker 3: but I was good to hear from you again. Buddy.
27:17
Speaker 3: We'll go forward to football seam starting up again.
27:20
Speaker 2: You're the man. Thank you Jeff for here, buddy, Buddy,
27:24
Speaker 2: that's Jeff Schwartz.