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BARRY MORPHEW CHARGED IN WIFE SUZANNE’S MURDER WALKS FREE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Breaking news tonight. Barry Morphew,
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Speaker 1: charged in his wife Suzanne's murder, walks free, Yes, you
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Speaker 1: heard me, walks free after a murder one charge.
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Speaker 2: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. Suzanne
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Speaker 1: Morphew goes missing on Mother's Day, torn.
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Speaker 2: Off her mountain bike to vanish into thin air. She
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Speaker 2: was shot full of animal tranquilizers before her death.
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Speaker 1: Bary Morphew has walked free, accompanied by his daughters, who
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Speaker 1: are absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Convinced he's innocent.
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Speaker 1: Then who did kill their mother and drag her remains
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Speaker 1: far far away? To Gregory Nietto, joining US investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: Fox thirty one, Denver, he's been on the more Aphew
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Speaker 1: story since the very beginning. Gregory, could you explain to
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Speaker 1: everyone where her remains were found.
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Speaker 3: It's in an area that's about two and a half
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Speaker 3: hours away from the family home, just out of Salida, Colorado.
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Speaker 3: There's really no relevancy in terms of the area and
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Speaker 3: where the family had lived. And so that's part of
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Speaker 3: the theory is that her remains or whomever is responsible
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Speaker 3: for killing Susanne Morphy wanted to take those remains as
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Speaker 3: far away as possible with the hope that her remains
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Speaker 3: would never be found.
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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute.
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Speaker 1: How far away from their home were her remains found.
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Speaker 3: It's a good two and a half hours away, different county.
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Speaker 3: It's actually two counties over county, which is south of
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Speaker 3: where the family home is, again outside Salida. Technically they
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Speaker 3: lived in this town by the name of Maysville, Colorado,
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Speaker 3: just to the south and the west of Salida. But again,
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Speaker 3: considering the amount of time that she had been missing,
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Speaker 3: that nobody had to found her body her remains for
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Speaker 3: it to be that far away, I think was part
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Speaker 3: of the illusion, if you will, that perhaps you know
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Speaker 3: someone else other than Berry is responsible for her death.
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Speaker 2: How do you get that, natape.
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Speaker 3: Well, what I mean by that is, I think that's
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Speaker 3: part of the defense plan that if the remains are
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Speaker 3: found a good three years after she first is reported missing,
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Speaker 3: and they're found nowhere near Maysville or Salida, Colorado, two
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Speaker 3: and a half hours away. Again, part of that theory
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Speaker 3: is that she'll never be found, right. The other part
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Speaker 3: of it is once she is eventually found, that it's
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Speaker 3: less and less of a connection in the defense's eyes
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Speaker 3: that it can be tied to a berry.
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Speaker 1: Wow, because you know what, I think the exact opposite
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Speaker 1: to Scott Iiker joining us, founding member of FBI's Cellular
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Speaker 1: Analysis Survey Team. But for purposes of this question, Homicide
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Speaker 1: Detective Norfolk, Virginia Police Department, Scott, Obviously it's someone who
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Speaker 1: wanted to stage the murder. When there is a random murder,
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Speaker 1: all the wants to do is get the hay out
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Speaker 1: of there. For instance, a burdler comes into the house,
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Speaker 1: he sees me bam.
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Speaker 2: And runs forget stealing the TV. I got to get
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Speaker 2: out of here.
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Speaker 1: The person that murdered Susanne Morphew staged the scene, which
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Speaker 1: means to me it's not random.
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Speaker 4: I Tony agree with that. If it was a burglar
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Speaker 4: coming in, he would have ended up in a discuffle
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Speaker 4: of something that he would run immediately and not staged
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Speaker 4: the scene. And that's evidence of someone that lives there,
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Speaker 4: that knows where things are supposed to be in that residence.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to talk about the staging aspect
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Speaker 1: of this. Mark Tate joining me, veteran trial lawyer defense
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Speaker 1: attorney with the Tate Law Group, who shot to fame
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Speaker 1: during the Alex Murdog investigation and conviction. Tate, Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: not asking you to take the defense hat just yet.
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Speaker 1: I'm asking you to comment on what I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: staging the scene. Her bike was found closer to her home,
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Speaker 1: and at the time, Barry.
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Speaker 2: Morphy, you who has just walked free. Everybody stated a
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Speaker 2: mountain lion must have done it. There's her bike. Her
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Speaker 2: helmet was found about a mile away. I guess the
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Speaker 2: mountain lion did that too.
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Speaker 1: So somebody went to the effort of putting the bike here,
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Speaker 1: the helmet somewhere else, and the body.
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Speaker 2: Far far away. Just go with me on this the.
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Speaker 1: Significant of staging the scene. Who stages Somebody that doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to be caught, Somebody that thinks they can el
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Speaker 1: smart police. If it's random, there's no staging.
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Speaker 5: Right, it does look staged. It makes a problem. I think,
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Speaker 5: as you discussed, just to take off the defense Council hat,
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Speaker 5: and I'm willing to do that, but this is the
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Speaker 5: kind of thing that makes it difficult to defend a case.
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Speaker 5: You know, the best type of case. If you're going
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Speaker 5: to defend someone who is accused of murderers where number one,
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Speaker 5: the body's not found. Number two that it's not set
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Speaker 5: up to create and appear to be set up to
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Speaker 5: be a distraction. Obviously there was something created here to
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Speaker 5: try to make it look like it was a bicycle accident.
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Speaker 5: It was anything but a bicycle accident. And it gives
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Speaker 5: you know, this mister Morphew, his defense lawyer, a very
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Speaker 5: difficult time I think to reckon with explanations that, and
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Speaker 5: of course the prescription for the tranquilizers that was found
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Speaker 5: in her or found in her, I think makes all
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Speaker 5: of that dipict.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, bam, oh yeah, very very difficult. You know,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, I want you to follow
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Speaker 1: up on what Tate is saying. Renow psycho analysts out
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Speaker 1: of the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker. You can
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Speaker 1: see her now on peacock and find her at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Staging staging. It could
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Speaker 1: be anything from let's see that I had one case
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Speaker 1: where the mom was found dead naked on her bed
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Speaker 1: and the perp had put a wicker the bathroom wicker
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Speaker 1: is largely decorative trash can over her head. It could
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Speaker 1: be as simple as hiding the body with leaves, or
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Speaker 1: putting a blanket over the body, putting the body in
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Speaker 1: a trash bag. Just all of that is considered staging.
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Speaker 2: Or for instance, in the Ellen Greenberg case, stabbed nearly
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Speaker 2: thirty times, we've.
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Speaker 1: Got blood dried going from here to here. But somebody
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Speaker 1: had propped her up, the blow would have gone down.
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Speaker 1: But just propping her up equals staging. Who stages a sane.
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Speaker 6: Person who stage is a scene is somebody who obviously
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Speaker 6: doesn't want to be caught. But it's not somebody who
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Speaker 6: has just raped the person or stolen something from them,
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Speaker 6: as you said earlier, or just maybe hit them in
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Speaker 6: a car accident or something like this. This is where
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Speaker 6: it's premeditated, and the purp has already prepared a dump
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Speaker 6: site for the body. I listened to the tape of
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Speaker 6: the investigation when Morphew first went out with the investigators
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Speaker 6: to look for his wife, and I was surprised the
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Speaker 6: number of times he said, it must have been a
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Speaker 6: mountain lighton, it must have been a mountain lion, It
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Speaker 6: must have been a mountain lion. So not only was
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Speaker 6: there staging of the body, but there was this suggestive,
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Speaker 6: persuasive influence on the people who were looking for her,
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Speaker 6: that something she had met, some demise that was perfectly
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Speaker 6: be explainable.
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Speaker 1: It's like Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz, doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: clicking heels together three times saying instead of there's no
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Speaker 1: place like home and suddenly being transported back to Kansas,
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Speaker 1: he's saying, it must have been a mountain lion.
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Speaker 2: It must have been a mountain lion. It must have
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Speaker 2: been a mountain.
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Speaker 1: Lion that's going to transport him out of the murder investigation.
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Speaker 7: You know what.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate you saying that, doctor Bethany, But let's hear
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Speaker 2: it from the horse's mouth. Is it a crash?
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Speaker 8: I mean the bike hook the way it was, Lady,
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Speaker 8: that kind of looked like it, But there's not really
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Speaker 8: that much.
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Speaker 4: Damage to a bike lion, Yeah, lion. I didn't see
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Speaker 4: anything though, anything, And they're not letting us.
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Speaker 3: Go over the sights because they're getting a track.
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Speaker 4: Looking for Jackson on the route.
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Speaker 8: I haven't seen anything really, but like pole tracks were
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Speaker 8: lyon and I didn't really know this, but I will lie.
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Speaker 8: I'm not like an expert.
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Speaker 1: Tractor or something without they may not be a mountain
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Speaker 1: lion expert, but I happened to have a mountain lion
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Speaker 1: expert with me right now. Esteemed doctor Gray Stafford, joining US,
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Speaker 1: a zoologist, has worked with zoos aquariums, consultant, host of
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Speaker 1: zoo Logic podcast, author of Zoomility.
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Speaker 2: It goes on and on.
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Speaker 1: Faculty member Grand Canon University, Doctor Gray Stafford.
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Speaker 2: The mountain lion. It must have been a very cunning
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Speaker 2: mountain lion.
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Speaker 1: To jerk her off of her bike, take away her
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Speaker 1: body two and a half hours away, and oh yes,
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Speaker 1: on the way through her helmet elsewhere.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's not going to happen. They might drag the
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Speaker 8: body away to a more convenient site, but not two
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Speaker 8: and a half hours away.
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Speaker 2: What would you have expected to find at the scene
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Speaker 2: if a mountain lion? Oh good, great, I can't believe
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Speaker 2: we've been talking about a mountain lion. If a mountain
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Speaker 2: lion had killed Suzanne more few.
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Speaker 8: Well, there would be tracks. If they had animals like
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Speaker 8: dogs to track this animal, they would pick up on sens.
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Speaker 8: There would be signs of struggle, signs of probably injury, bleeding.
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Speaker 8: Even if the animal dragged her away, there still would
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Speaker 8: be signs of struggle.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gray Stafford, joining US renowned zoologist doctor Stafford. Isn't
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Speaker 1: it true that a wild animal such as a mountain
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Speaker 1: lion typically would only drag its prey x amount of
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Speaker 1: yards away so it could eat It would eat the
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Speaker 1: prey almost immediately. This is not some sci fi thriller
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Speaker 1: where the mythical mountain lion gets her body and much
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Speaker 1: like a griffin, then flies off to the mountains to
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Speaker 1: eat it. That's not the way it works with wild animals.
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Speaker 1: They drag the body thirty to fifty yards and they
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Speaker 1: eat it right then and there.
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Speaker 2: They have a buffet there.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a reason for that. Are they afraid
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Speaker 1: another animal will get the carcass from them?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I just know that's true.
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Speaker 8: You're absolutely right, Nancy. An animal is going to want
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Speaker 8: to protect its kill, and depending on whether it's a
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Speaker 8: female with cubs or a male, their behavior might change
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Speaker 8: a little bit as far as how far they would
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Speaker 8: drag that prey away. But they're going to protect that prey,
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Speaker 8: and it's it's not going to be dragging that person
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Speaker 8: or prey miles and miles away.
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Speaker 1: Joining me, Tisha Leeway, a dear friend, Susans had more
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Speaker 1: few tisha When you first heard that Barry morph you
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Speaker 1: put it out there that Suzanne had been killed by
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Speaker 1: a mountain lion.
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Speaker 2: Did you believe that for one minute?
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Speaker 6: No, not even a second.
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Speaker 9: It was the most welsu defense that he could even have.
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Speaker 9: First of all, they didn't find any blood any you know,
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Speaker 9: anything to do with a mountain lion. You're not going
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Speaker 9: to find it clean space. You would a probably founder,
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Speaker 9: probably one hundred yards away if anything, or pieces of
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Speaker 9: her clothing blood, there was nothing.
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Speaker 2: Greg Renietta joining it. I was Fox thirty one, Denver. Now, Greg,
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Speaker 2: where did this mountain lion theory first come from?
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Speaker 3: Well, first came from Barry the first night we were there,
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Speaker 3: when Suzanne was first reported missing. It was a twofold theory.
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Speaker 3: It initially started off with, well, perhaps it was a
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Speaker 3: homeless encampment that had dragged Suzanne away from her bicycle
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Speaker 3: and done away with her.
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Speaker 2: A minute quickly, Gregory, hold on the homeless?
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Speaker 8: Did it?
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Speaker 2: Have you heard the homeless? Did it before? Okay? What?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Between the mountain lion and the homeless encampment, it's always
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Speaker 1: the homeless they do it. Tell me about this, I
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Speaker 1: haven't heard this.
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Speaker 3: So we the first again. Either she went missing, we
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Speaker 3: head down to Maysville, Colorado, and I know her best
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Speaker 3: friend there can explain it topography a little bit better
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Speaker 3: than I can. But regardless, the further south and west
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Speaker 3: you go, it quickly becomes I mean, extreme mountainous. At
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Speaker 3: one point, authorities were searching a nearby lake or pond
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Speaker 3: for Suzanne. When we first arrived on scene, it was
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Speaker 3: the full point was the bicycle, the fact that Suzanne
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Speaker 3: was no longer attached to the bicycle, and the fact
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Speaker 3: that a homeless individual encampment was responsible. I was the
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Speaker 3: theory at the time when we first got down there
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Speaker 3: and dragged her away from that bicycle and is responsible
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Speaker 3: or was responsible for her death.
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Speaker 1: Following up on that vein Greg Grinietto, how far away
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Speaker 1: was the homeless encampment from where her bike was found?
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Speaker 3: Not very far Again, you're talking about a mountainous area
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Speaker 3: where there are plenty of ravines and crevices and whatnot,
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Speaker 3: and her bicycle was found not all that far away
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Speaker 3: from the family home, but just far enough away where
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Speaker 3: again the theory was a homeless individual was responsible for
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Speaker 3: her demise that it was just far enough away from
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Speaker 3: the house where that individual wouldn't have been seen.
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Speaker 2: But wait a minute, you're saying Ravenes mountains, So the
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Speaker 2: homeless person climbs across the ravine and down the mountain
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Speaker 2: kills Suzanne.
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Speaker 1: And then what that's the theory they went through all
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Speaker 1: that kil Susanne?
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Speaker 2: Morph you, yeah, that was.
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Speaker 3: The original or initial theory that that may have been
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Speaker 3: what happened to her. I mean that area, if you know,
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Speaker 3: we look at it on foot, and as we did,
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Speaker 3: it doesn't seem like an area that any other individual
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Speaker 3: human being.
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Speaker 10: What even if you.
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Speaker 3: Were homeless, I don't think you had enough access to
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Speaker 3: enough of the you know, land amenities to survive. So
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Speaker 3: anybody else living in the area where the bicycle was, well, you're.
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Speaker 1: Making me think of another question. Gregory, who first came
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Speaker 1: up with the idea that she had disappeared off her bike?
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Speaker 2: Who first said she was going for a ride so
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Speaker 2: she was all alone on Mother's Day? Fat chance?
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Speaker 1: Who first put that in everybody's mind that she would
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Speaker 1: be attached to her bike?
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Speaker 3: It was buried?
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Speaker 1: And greg Rinietto, isn't it true that Bary Morphew said
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Speaker 1: that to the neighbor that he called, like, where is
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Speaker 1: her bike?
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Speaker 2: She was going to go for a ride something like that.
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Speaker 3: I mean again, if you remember, Barry was out of
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Speaker 3: town on Mother's Day weekend up in closer to Denver,
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Speaker 3: and you know, when we first arrived down there in
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Speaker 3: the Mainsville area, one of the prevailing theories was why
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Speaker 3: would she be riding that bicycle by herself on Mother's Day,
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Speaker 3: Mother's Day weekend? And where was Barry? And why was
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Speaker 3: it that she's out there on this bicycle by herself
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Speaker 3: in an area where the further you get away from
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Speaker 3: the family home. I mean, in theory, you know, it
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Speaker 3: could be I suppose a little bit more dangerous just
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Speaker 3: because you're getting further further away from the home. But
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Speaker 3: Barry is the first one that established that theory about
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Speaker 3: the bicycle and her being removed from it. And that's
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Speaker 3: where this all kind of started.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's happened, Barry more a few has walked free again.
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Speaker 1: He is out from behind bars again tonight.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: It just seems like yesterday he was begging for his
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Speaker 1: wife to come home.
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Speaker 11: Oh, Susan, if anyone is out there, I can hear
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Speaker 11: this that has you. Please, We'll do whatever it takes
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Speaker 11: to bring you back. We love you and you miss you.
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Speaker 11: Your girl's needs us. No questions asked, however much they want.
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Speaker 11: I will do whatever it takes to get you back, honey.
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Speaker 5: I love you. I want your back so bad.
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Speaker 9: She was in the backyard and I think that's where
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Speaker 9: he shot her with a tranquilizer gun.
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Speaker 6: I think she got up.
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Speaker 2: I think she ran.
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Speaker 12: He ain't looking around for nothing. He's not calling her name.
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Speaker 12: He doesn't say hey, in case she got hurt on
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Speaker 12: the bike. There was some marble accent. He doesn't refer
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Speaker 12: to it. He didn't talk about it. He's not checking anything.
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Speaker 1: Barry Moore, few charged in the murder of his wife,
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Speaker 1: Suzanne Morphew, has walked free.
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Speaker 2: Yes, listen.
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Speaker 13: When Barry Morphew is indicted in Colorado for the first
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Speaker 13: degree murder of his wife, Suzanne, Arizona, friends who know
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Speaker 13: him as Bruce or Lee Moore are conflicted when they
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Speaker 13: find out that the guy they had a beerra dance
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Speaker 13: with is not a local handyman from the trailer park,
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Speaker 13: but a man wanted for first degree murder of his wife.
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Speaker 13: Finding out Bruce is not his real name. Harold's Cave
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Speaker 13: Creek garral Bard manager Charlie Lutz spends hours reading stories
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Speaker 13: about the man from Colorado accused of murdering his wife
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Speaker 13: on Mother's Day.
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Speaker 1: Greg grinietto joining US investigative reporter Fox thirty one Denver.
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Speaker 1: Didn't the judge do a complete one eighty and about face?
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Speaker 2: What was the first view on bond?
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Speaker 3: Yet they were simply trying to get the overall amount produced,
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Speaker 3: and the judge was not going to go for that.
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Speaker 3: And so ultimately the shock of everybody, I think, and
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Speaker 3: at least in the state of Colorado, the judge went
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Speaker 3: down the path of this surety, which is really translations
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Speaker 3: for baillbombsman covering in this case, ten percent of that
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Speaker 3: three million dollar bond. The first question, of course to
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Speaker 3: Barry's attorney as well, who's responsible for raising this money?
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Speaker 3: And imagine the two daughters have that much money, And
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Speaker 3: all the attorney would say is it's his supporters. Well,
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Speaker 3: who are the supporters. I've been in constant contact with
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Speaker 3: the folks down in Salida radio station down there, who
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Speaker 3: has kind of the temperature of the community, and they
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Speaker 3: could not think of anybody that would fit the bill
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Speaker 3: of a very morphew supporter outside of his two daughters
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Speaker 3: and perhaps of some women in Arizona.
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Speaker 2: What do you mean women in Arizona? Is he now
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Speaker 2: a sugar baby? Is somebody supporting him?
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Speaker 3: That the idea has been floated a little bit down
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Speaker 3: there with the amount of time he was spending in Arizona.
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Speaker 3: And at this point, that's that's just what some folks
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Speaker 3: he answer.
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Speaker 2: Somebody had to put up this money.
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Speaker 1: Somebody had to put up the money half of it,
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Speaker 1: and the bail bondsman a dinvers a one bail bonds
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Speaker 1: agreed to cover the rest.
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Speaker 2: Somebody had to put up something.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the journey, that's all I would he would leave
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Speaker 3: it with is that Barry Morphy supporters. And again, the
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Speaker 3: amount of times I've been down there, kishickn vouch for this.
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Speaker 3: I mean being inside the courtroom, being outside the courtroom.
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Speaker 3: I don't think again, outside of the two daughters who
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Speaker 3: were always there every time Barry is let out of jail,
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Speaker 3: I couldn't remember talking to one person who would say, hey,
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Speaker 3: you know, you just don't know Berry like I know Barry.
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Speaker 3: We support him throughout everything he's going through. So when
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Speaker 3: you talk about Barry Morphy supporters. I don't know who
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Speaker 3: that would be.
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Speaker 1: But it's not just that the judge did a U
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Speaker 1: turn in the middle of the road and gave Barry
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Speaker 1: Morphew bond.
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Speaker 2: He has walked free, all smiles, and why shouldn't he
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Speaker 2: be but listen to these bond restrictions.
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Speaker 13: Morphew's bond restrictions begin with a GPS monitor, a ban
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Speaker 13: on leaving Colorado and surrendering his passport. He is also
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Speaker 13: under strict house arrest and can only leave his home
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Speaker 13: for medical emergencies or meetings with his attorneys. He's not
20:19
Speaker 13: allowed to consume alcohol or controlled substances. There is a
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Speaker 13: mandatory protection order barring him from contacting witnesses or the
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Speaker 13: victim's family, except his daughters, one of whom was with
20:29
Speaker 13: the bailbondsman to get more few out of jail. He
20:32
Speaker 13: cannot possess firearms or dangerous weapons, and he must only
20:36
Speaker 13: use his legal name.
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Speaker 2: What an ankle monitor? Are you kidding me?
20:42
Speaker 1: Does anybody on this panel know how to beat an
20:44
Speaker 1: ankle monitor?
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Speaker 2: Anybody?
20:46
Speaker 1: I bet Tate does Mark Tate? I' vetter a defense attorney.
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Speaker 2: Let me just say Swans don't swim in a sesspool. Tait,
20:55
Speaker 2: all right, I'm sure you know how to beat an
20:58
Speaker 2: ankle monitor.
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Speaker 1: Can we start with cutting this track? Can we just
21:01
Speaker 1: start with that that's an obvious or using aluminum foil?
21:05
Speaker 2: You ever heard of that?
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Speaker 5: Well, I would never counsel a client to try to
21:11
Speaker 5: counter his bond measures life, but we do have I
21:15
Speaker 5: wouldn't do that now if it was me that needed
21:17
Speaker 5: to get away and it was you know, something that
21:20
Speaker 5: would help produce a better show for you, when we
21:22
Speaker 5: could talk about me hiding one of my ankle monitors.
21:24
Speaker 5: But right now I'm not on one, so that's not
21:26
Speaker 5: really something to worry about. But no, that clearly would
21:29
Speaker 5: be a violation of his bond. And you know, I
21:33
Speaker 5: think that.
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Speaker 2: Tank, I think Suzanne Watch You is dead.
21:39
Speaker 5: I've seen it, and we are dealing obviously with a murder.
21:41
Speaker 5: It's a bad situation. No one, I think, is alleged
21:44
Speaker 5: that this was a We're talking about somebody who's blamed
21:49
Speaker 5: a mountain lion. We've talked about somebody who has shifted around,
21:52
Speaker 5: is using fake names. Come on, Nancy, he's using fake names.
21:57
Speaker 5: He's made a mockery of this system and if we
21:59
Speaker 5: can figure out a way to show that he, in
22:02
Speaker 5: fact is the mockery, that increases, I think the chance
22:05
Speaker 5: of him breaking and being held accountable for what happened
22:09
Speaker 5: to his wife. You know, he's fled the jurisdiction. By
22:12
Speaker 5: the way, the trailer park that he that we keep
22:15
Speaker 5: talking about, was not some squalid trailer park. It's a
22:19
Speaker 5: very campy glamping park that is a place where people
22:23
Speaker 5: book little fund stays. It's not, you know, the squalid
22:26
Speaker 5: trailer park that perhaps we have seen. This guy is
22:30
Speaker 5: a mockery of himself, and so it's time I think start.
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Speaker 2: Calling him right there.
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Speaker 1: Grandma lived in a trailer So I don't know what
22:39
Speaker 1: you're talking about.
22:40
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about. We're talking about he again. Why
22:45
Speaker 2: am I hearing that? I'm still hearing him? Can we
22:49
Speaker 2: go to Scott Iker plays Iker, founding member FBI Cellular
22:53
Speaker 2: Analysis Survey Team.
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Speaker 1: Can we talk about ways to be an ankle monitor.
22:57
Speaker 1: It's not rocket science, it's not brain stars.
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Speaker 2: Number one cut the strap, yeah, number two, use aluminum foil,
23:06
Speaker 2: and it creates basically rudimentary Faraday cage.
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Speaker 4: Explain that's true, and a Faraday bag or Faraday cage
23:15
Speaker 4: is referred to restricts the radio signal coming from the monitor,
23:20
Speaker 4: and so it basically shuts it down so none of
23:23
Speaker 4: the devices can receive that data. So you could leave
23:28
Speaker 4: the house that you're supposed to be and if you
23:30
Speaker 4: cover it up or as you said, cut it off
23:33
Speaker 4: and leave it at the house, then the authorities don't
23:36
Speaker 4: know that you've left the house. Those are easy ways
23:38
Speaker 4: to beat the hank monitor.
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Speaker 2: What about using a metal container that completely can block
23:44
Speaker 2: the signal? Can it not?
23:47
Speaker 4: It can anything. That's that's what a Faraday bag is basically,
23:51
Speaker 4: and it's a like tinfoil. But if you use the
23:56
Speaker 4: metal container, you can use the same thing. Of course,
23:58
Speaker 4: you'd have to kind of seal it up of the
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Speaker 4: radio signals don't get out.
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Speaker 2: Of it, you know.
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Speaker 1: I'm also thinking about how to beat the ankle monitor
24:08
Speaker 1: at Sadly, we've already given him several ideas.
24:11
Speaker 2: I still don't get it.
24:12
Speaker 1: Greg reenietto why the judge did a one eighty before
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Speaker 1: there was a bond in place and then suddenly he's
24:19
Speaker 1: allowed to make bond.
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Speaker 2: What happened?
24:24
Speaker 3: We're all baffled by that. The folks that were listening
24:27
Speaker 3: into that hearing just assumed that when she the judge
24:31
Speaker 3: refused the first request in terms of the overall dollar amount,
24:35
Speaker 3: we just assumed that even though the defense would come
24:38
Speaker 3: back with a counter offer, if you will, the judge
24:40
Speaker 3: would again say, you know, no dice. But again, it's
24:45
Speaker 3: proving that Barry is almost like a teflon dawn, right.
24:50
Speaker 3: I mean, every time we think collectively that we've reached
24:53
Speaker 3: the end of the road in terms of finally getting
24:55
Speaker 3: to a trial, something new happens. Talk to the folks
24:59
Speaker 3: in Salida who are there every single day to She'll
25:02
Speaker 3: tell you the same thing. Other things in the world
25:06
Speaker 3: were going on last week when the judge first made
25:08
Speaker 3: the decision to go with the surety, and then when
25:12
Speaker 3: Barry's supporters came through with the money to post that bond,
25:17
Speaker 3: other things in the world and the country were going on,
25:19
Speaker 3: and the temperature in Solida was you know, oh my gosh,
25:22
Speaker 3: this came out of left field. How in the world
25:25
Speaker 3: does this happen again? Coming to almost the end of
25:27
Speaker 3: the road legally, if you will, And then once again
25:30
Speaker 3: it's getting off the highway.
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Speaker 11: Host Suzanne, if anyone is out there, I can hear
25:35
Speaker 11: this that has you Please, we'll do whatever it takes
25:41
Speaker 11: to bring you back. We love you and you miss you.
25:43
Speaker 11: Your girls and easy unions, no questions asked, however much
25:49
Speaker 11: they want, I will do whatever it takes to get
25:52
Speaker 11: you back, Honey. I love you and I want your bats.
25:58
Speaker 13: In gay Preek, Arizona, a town of less than five
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Speaker 13: thousand people, a man chows up after the COVID epidemic,
26:04
Speaker 13: introducing himself as Bruce and ordering a cold beer at
26:07
Speaker 13: Harold's Cave Pree Corral. Our manager Charlie Lutz says, ladies
26:11
Speaker 13: approached Bruce and flirt and he would do the same.
26:14
Speaker 13: Libby sprool is at Harold's when the new man in
26:16
Speaker 13: town asks her for a dance. Lebby says, you're very
26:19
Speaker 13: more few, but the stranger says, no, no, I think
26:22
Speaker 13: you have the wrong person. Later in the evening, an
26:25
Speaker 13: individual introduces the new guy as Lee from Indiana.
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Speaker 2: Lee from Indiana, My rear.
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Speaker 1: End to Dave Matt joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: who is Lee from Indiana?
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Speaker 10: Well, Lee from Indiana is just a made up or
26:44
Speaker 10: half made up person, because you know, Barry Morphew is
26:48
Speaker 10: from Indiana originally, and he's been in Colorado. But now
26:55
Speaker 10: we're out in Arizona and this man from nowhere into
27:00
Speaker 10: town and pops up to the bar and gets a
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Speaker 10: cold beer and asks the lady to dad, I'm Lee Moore,
27:05
Speaker 10: got a new life.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on just a moment to doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: joining us psychoanalyst out of the Beverly Hills Jurisdiction.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, hold On, have you ever noticed when people.
27:16
Speaker 1: Start an elaborate lie, they very often weed in a
27:20
Speaker 1: few true facts, I guess so they can keep their
27:22
Speaker 1: story straight. He is from Indiana, so I mean this
27:29
Speaker 1: is established. Apparently he's at a bar drinking a cold beer.
27:35
Speaker 1: Women flock to him.
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Speaker 2: I don't get it. I do not get it.
27:38
Speaker 1: It's just like you know, women that the woman that
27:42
Speaker 1: married jord Vanderslout and had his children the guy that
27:46
Speaker 1: murdered Natalie Holloway and Stephanie Tasciana Flores, right, I think
27:51
Speaker 1: he's had two babies behind bars.
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Speaker 2: I don't get it. Why do women flock to this guy?
27:57
Speaker 2: Number two? Number one question? So easy to make up
28:04
Speaker 2: a false identity.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it weaving well parts of the truth into history?
28:10
Speaker 2: And is it Barry Morphew's middle name Lee.
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Speaker 6: You know, Nancy. I think there's always this sliver of
28:16
Speaker 6: truth in every lie, and that's why it becomes believable
28:20
Speaker 6: to some people. But I have another theory, which is
28:22
Speaker 6: that when people lie, they build it on a foundation
28:28
Speaker 6: of some truth because they are also lying to themselves.
28:31
Speaker 6: In other words, they have to convince themselves that what
28:34
Speaker 6: they're saying is true so that it becomes believable to
28:37
Speaker 6: the people around them. They have to embrace the lie,
28:40
Speaker 6: live the lie. So if it's tethered to some little
28:43
Speaker 6: Oh I'm from Indiana, I have size ten shoes, you know,
28:46
Speaker 6: I have two daughters. Whatever it is about his life,
28:50
Speaker 6: then he can build a whole narrative around that and
28:54
Speaker 6: be more convincing to the people around him.
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Speaker 1: In other words, line and sinker hook, line and sinker.
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Speaker 4: Bok.
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Speaker 2: How do they do it? I mean, is there some
29:07
Speaker 2: trick to it?
29:07
Speaker 1: When I have lied, I get all hot all over.
29:11
Speaker 1: I can feel it. I feel like I'm suddenly running
29:13
Speaker 1: a fever. I've even stammered when trying to tell a lie.
29:18
Speaker 2: It never works for me. But some people just rolls
29:21
Speaker 2: off their tongue.
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Speaker 6: If you have no conscience, it's easy to lie, and
29:26
Speaker 6: they're very charming. They're very manipulative, and I think this
29:31
Speaker 6: is why the women at the bar flocked to him,
29:33
Speaker 6: That these types of individuals are initially very outgoing, they're
29:39
Speaker 6: very talkative. Words just roll off their tongue, and I
29:43
Speaker 6: think the women really like that. They're like, hey, this
29:45
Speaker 6: is an authentic guy. This guy's telling me all about himself.
29:49
Speaker 6: He's social. Unlike my last boyfriend or my last husband,
29:53
Speaker 6: who wouldn't go anywhere with me. This guy's out and
29:55
Speaker 6: about and he loves other people. So they're initially charming
29:59
Speaker 6: and tilt.
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Speaker 2: They're not, you know, Mark Taate. Don't you just hate
30:04
Speaker 2: it when your client.
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Speaker 1: Tries to fabricate a big fat lie about his identity
30:10
Speaker 1: but he uses his own middle name in his birthplace.
30:14
Speaker 5: Whoopsie, Yeah, it's a disaster. This guy is just as
30:18
Speaker 5: an example, I think once more of really the defendant's
30:23
Speaker 5: own words get himself in trouble, and he's obviously got
30:27
Speaker 5: a very skilled criminal defense lawyer who's done a good
30:29
Speaker 5: job for him. He's got him out on bond. He
30:32
Speaker 5: was successful at apparently baring out some prosecutory of misconduct
30:35
Speaker 5: possibly before. But again the words that come out of
30:40
Speaker 5: his mouth that simply are incongruent with the facts as
30:44
Speaker 5: we see them, and in somewhat you know, sort of
30:46
Speaker 5: farcicle when we say that a mountain lion apparently was
30:49
Speaker 5: carrying a tranquilizer gun. It doesn't make any sense. And
30:54
Speaker 5: those types of things, in the course of the investigation
30:57
Speaker 5: and the prosecution, the presentation of their case in chief,
31:00
Speaker 5: I think you're going to play a big role. And
31:02
Speaker 5: so once again when a client comes to me, my
31:05
Speaker 5: first word to them is, you don't talk. You have
31:08
Speaker 5: a rite against self incrimination, and you should exercise it,
31:12
Speaker 5: because you know, we can only work with defending what
31:17
Speaker 5: you make available to us, and they can work with
31:19
Speaker 5: all the words that you use and say to all
31:22
Speaker 5: the investigators involved, and that all comes out. And it's
31:24
Speaker 5: those types of circumstantial statements you make and ludicrous things
31:28
Speaker 5: that you claim that make a jury have zero find
31:33
Speaker 5: you have zero credibility and put very little confidence, including
31:36
Speaker 5: making up names. When you move six hundred miles away
31:38
Speaker 5: to Arizona and you start approaching women with fake names
31:42
Speaker 5: at bars, it's disingenuous and nobody on a jury wants
31:47
Speaker 5: to see that or likes to see it.
31:49
Speaker 1: And you know, doctor Bethany Marshall, you see how he
31:51
Speaker 1: uses tidbits of the truth.
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Speaker 2: His middle name is Lee.
31:54
Speaker 1: I mean he does not have a very good imagination.
31:57
Speaker 1: He's very lee more few and he says he's lay
32:01
Speaker 1: More from Indiana. I guess he would claim that is
32:04
Speaker 1: the truth.
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Speaker 6: You know, Nancy, we see with prisoners on death row
32:10
Speaker 6: that the longer they're there, the more they cling to
32:12
Speaker 6: the fact that they were not the perpetrator. I think
32:16
Speaker 6: that in this case, we see somebody who's pumping himself
32:20
Speaker 6: up into somebody. He's not using slivers of the truth.
32:23
Speaker 6: But you know, we're talking about the women who come
32:27
Speaker 6: up to him at the bar. I would be more
32:29
Speaker 6: interested in the women who said, no, I don't want
32:32
Speaker 6: to dance with you, or no, I don't want to
32:34
Speaker 6: go on a date with you, or after the second
32:37
Speaker 6: date were creeped out and decided not to see him again.
32:40
Speaker 6: How does he react when somebody says no to him?
32:44
Speaker 6: And how might that be behavioral evidence in terms of
32:47
Speaker 6: how he treated his wife. And one more thing, Nancy,
32:51
Speaker 6: back to the mountain lion. Back to that mountain lion,
32:54
Speaker 6: The poor mountain lion, when he's telling the story about
32:58
Speaker 6: the Mountain Lion, there's no concern or empathy towards the
33:03
Speaker 6: wife who's gone. And that's one of the primary things
33:06
Speaker 6: we look for in homicide when we do interviews, is
33:10
Speaker 6: does the alleged purp have empathy towards the person who's
33:15
Speaker 6: no longer there? If they start criticizing that person or
33:18
Speaker 6: acting dispassionate, or in this case with the new identity,
33:22
Speaker 6: just dating other women, it shows that there's not a
33:25
Speaker 6: tie to the lost love object, which really goes against
33:29
Speaker 6: human nature. We want to be with and care about
33:31
Speaker 6: the people we love.
33:33
Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany. Of course, the defense, a veteran defense.
33:37
Speaker 1: Attorney like Mark Tate will argue that someone's behavior or
33:41
Speaker 1: their demeanor it means nothing.
33:43
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they all.
33:44
Speaker 1: Stell it from Mark Giragues. There's no playbook for gree
33:46
Speaker 1: or panic. Okay, fine, tell it to a jury. But
33:49
Speaker 1: when you look at Bary Moore of you, he's like, hey,
33:52
Speaker 1: many of Matlin did it.
33:53
Speaker 2: You're right, there's no inflection at all.
33:56
Speaker 6: And in these cases when somebody doesn't show empathy, the
34:00
Speaker 6: rare times that we can say there's no playbook for
34:04
Speaker 6: grief is if the person is dissociated, they're so traumatized
34:09
Speaker 6: that they're dissociated, so they show no affect. But in
34:12
Speaker 6: that case, they're not going to make up a big
34:13
Speaker 6: old lie about a mountain lion. They're not going to
34:15
Speaker 6: be excited, they're not going to be talking about tracks
34:18
Speaker 6: on the road. They're not going to be going to
34:20
Speaker 6: a bar and flirting with other women. Because people who
34:23
Speaker 6: are traumatized and dissociated usually just withdraw from society. So
34:29
Speaker 6: that's the only reason, only only reason ever, Nancy, that
34:33
Speaker 6: somebody who's lost a loved one shows no affect is
34:36
Speaker 6: because they are protecting themselves. But that is very rare.
34:41
Speaker 6: Unless he has a history of trauma and a dissociative disorder,
34:45
Speaker 6: he would naturally feel grief. He would be pushing those
34:50
Speaker 6: people along to find his wife. He wouldn't have clever
34:53
Speaker 6: words rolling off his tongue in terms of what might
34:56
Speaker 6: have happened to her.
34:57
Speaker 1: Tish leeway with us, very your friend of Suzanne Morphew.
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Speaker 1: I don't get it. What is so charming, so charismatic?
35:05
Speaker 1: What's the pull a Barry Morphew aka Lee War Was
35:11
Speaker 1: he that charismatic?
35:13
Speaker 10: No?
35:14
Speaker 9: I think he's a narcissistic pig if I could say that, but.
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Speaker 6: I don't understand.
35:22
Speaker 9: I mean, he was dating right after six months she
35:25
Speaker 9: went missing, So I mean that tells you a lot.
35:27
Speaker 9: It doesn't surprise me that he's in Arizona trying to.
35:31
Speaker 6: Pick up on women.
35:34
Speaker 9: He I think he thought he was a man that
35:38
Speaker 9: can get whatever he wants, and obviously, so far in
35:41
Speaker 9: this whole thing, he's gotten everything he's asked for.
35:44
Speaker 6: That's including bond.
35:46
Speaker 13: Six hundred miles from where Suzanne Morphy was murdered in Colorado.
35:49
Speaker 13: Her now widowed husband, once accused of her murder, is
35:53
Speaker 13: making a new life for himself. He tells a bar
35:55
Speaker 13: manager his name is Bruce, and is introduced to a
35:58
Speaker 13: bar patron, Libby Sproule, as from Indiana, creating distance from
36:02
Speaker 13: his past life as Barry morphew suspect and his wife's
36:05
Speaker 13: unsolved murder. The man, who is now known around town
36:08
Speaker 13: as Lee Moore, lives at the Stardust Trailer Park and
36:12
Speaker 13: is self employed.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Susanne Morphew's alleged killer has
36:28
Speaker 1: walked free. That would be her husband, Barry Morphew, now
36:33
Speaker 1: using an alias to pick up women at a bar
36:38
Speaker 1: straight out to special guests joining US doctor Thomas Coyne,
36:42
Speaker 1: chief Medical Examiner District to Medical Examber's office in Florida,
36:46
Speaker 1: forensic pathologist, toxicologist. It goes on, doctor Coin, thank you
36:52
Speaker 1: for being with us in her.
36:55
Speaker 2: Bones and I don't know how they did this. I
36:57
Speaker 2: hope you can explain.
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Speaker 1: Evidence was found that she was saturated with BAM, b A,
37:08
Speaker 1: m BE, torphenol, A zaparone, metatomasine.
37:13
Speaker 2: What is that?
37:15
Speaker 7: So, first of all, I'll just answer real quick. Toxicology
37:19
Speaker 7: testing in this case was performed on bone tissue because
37:21
Speaker 7: obviously she was comprised only of skeletal remains. They had
37:26
Speaker 7: no soft tissue, no blood, no urine, so the only
37:29
Speaker 7: thing they could test was bone. And bone can actually
37:31
Speaker 7: be used to identify drugs or compounds, whether it's the
37:35
Speaker 7: marrow if there's fat, because all of our bones have
37:38
Speaker 7: fat within the marrow. Sometimes you can test the marrow
37:40
Speaker 7: or you can actually test the bone itself. The bone.
37:43
Speaker 7: Mineral drugs will stick to it just based on charge,
37:46
Speaker 7: and so you can identify drugs from bone, thankfully, especially
37:49
Speaker 7: in this case. But with regards to what they identified
37:52
Speaker 7: the BAM BAM's an acronym for a combination of three
37:56
Speaker 7: drugs BEU torphenol, aziperone, and metatomidine. And those drugs individually
38:02
Speaker 7: all have powerful sedative properties, and they're used preferentially in
38:08
Speaker 7: large animal species to tranquilize an animal and then to
38:12
Speaker 7: of course incapacitate the animal. All three of these drugs
38:16
Speaker 7: in large animals are fairly safe. In other words, they
38:19
Speaker 7: work very rapidly within ten to fifteen minutes to bring
38:21
Speaker 7: an animal down and to make that animal immobile so you,
38:25
Speaker 7: the human can interact with that animal safely. And then
38:28
Speaker 7: these drugs are safe enough in large animals that they're
38:31
Speaker 7: expected to allow that animal to recover and then go
38:33
Speaker 7: back into its normal habitat. But these drugs are primarily
38:37
Speaker 7: used in large animals like deer, elk, even black bear,
38:41
Speaker 7: because they're safe in large animals, they are not safe
38:44
Speaker 7: in humans. The concentrations of the drugs used in this
38:47
Speaker 7: tranquilizer that achieve sedation and immobilization in an animal would
38:52
Speaker 7: be highly toxic in the human. These drugs in combination
38:56
Speaker 7: cause are cause profound respiratory depression and a decrease in
39:01
Speaker 7: your heart rate and blood pressure in other words, than
39:04
Speaker 7: a human. It would stop that human from breathing, and
39:06
Speaker 7: it could also stop that human's heart, and so that
39:08
Speaker 7: because of that, these drugs are contraindicated as a combination
39:12
Speaker 7: in humans. They're only used in veterinary medicine. You would
39:16
Speaker 7: not find these in the pharmacy for humans or in
39:18
Speaker 7: a hospital pharmacy's formulary. It's only used for veterinary purposes.
39:22
Speaker 1: Can I boil it down? Doctor Thomas Coin? With a
39:26
Speaker 1: quote from animal Farm, four legs good, two legs bad.
39:32
Speaker 2: Animals can sustain bam, it's deadly for people.
39:37
Speaker 7: Correct, Yes, that's absolutely correct.
39:40
Speaker 1: And doctor Coin, when you refer to getting the DNA
39:43
Speaker 1: from her bone marrow, what is.
39:46
Speaker 2: In simple regular people taught what is bone marrow.
39:49
Speaker 7: So the inside of our long bones has marrow. Marrow
39:53
Speaker 7: is the part of our body that makes our blood
39:56
Speaker 7: cells are predominantly our red blood cells, but also has
40:00
Speaker 7: a lot of fat. Especially in those of us who
40:02
Speaker 7: are above the age of thirty. Most of our bone
40:05
Speaker 7: marrow is fat. That's why people actually eat bone marrow.
40:08
Speaker 7: It's very tasty because of that fat. So that fat
40:10
Speaker 7: reservoir can contain drugs, especially if you use it to
40:14
Speaker 7: test for toxicology, but the bone mineral itself. So let's
40:18
Speaker 7: say a person has been decomposed and their bones have
40:21
Speaker 7: been outside for a long period of time, all of
40:23
Speaker 7: that fat tissue inside the bone may be gone, so
40:27
Speaker 7: all you're left with is the actual bone itself. You
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Speaker 7: can actually still test that bone because the minerals that
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Speaker 7: make up our bone drugs will stick to it based
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Speaker 7: on charge, and so even in archaeological samples that are
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Speaker 7: greater than one hundred years old, you can sometimes test
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Speaker 7: and find what a person may have consumed, poisons in
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Speaker 7: their environment, things of that nature. So it can still
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Speaker 7: be used for toxicology testing.
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Speaker 1: Matt to Gray Stafford, zoologist doctor Gray Stafford, tell me
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Speaker 1: about BAM, how it's used.
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Speaker 2: Why would anybody even have it? That's not a VET.
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Speaker 8: That's a great question, because it is used in wildlife medicine.
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Speaker 8: As your previous guests I mentioned, it's highly concentrated. The
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Speaker 8: three drug cocktail is highly regulated. It's dangerous around human beings.
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Speaker 8: You have to have high concentration, high efficacy of this
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Speaker 8: drug because of course you're shooting a dart and you
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Speaker 8: can't have large volumes that you're injecting into an elephant
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Speaker 8: from a helicopter or from tree stand, it has to
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Speaker 8: be very potent, So even a small amount can be
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Speaker 8: very catastrophic for human being.
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Speaker 1: You know, according to the indictment linking Morphew to purchases
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Speaker 1: of BAM, prescription records show that when Suzanne Morphew disappeared,
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Speaker 1: only one private citizen living in the entire area of
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Speaker 1: the state had access to BAM. One private citizen that
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Speaker 1: is not a veterinarian, and that would be very Morphew. Now,
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Speaker 1: according to the evidence, her body was saturated with BAM.
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Speaker 2: To Scott Iiker joining us, founding member.
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Speaker 1: Of the FBI's elite Cellular Analysis Survey team, you just
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Speaker 1: heard doctor Gray Stafford, the zoologist, state that BAM enters
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Speaker 1: the body through a dart. Now, according to SELL data,
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Speaker 1: we see erratic movements by Mary Morphew's phone just before
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Speaker 1: Suzanne Morphew disappears.
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Speaker 4: Could you explain I can I've seen the photograph that
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Speaker 4: Dave presented where there's some GPS points that looks like
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Speaker 4: around the house. I guess Barry claimed that at this
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Speaker 4: point in time he's moving around the house shooting chipmunks
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Speaker 4: with darts. One that's that's a very hard thing to do,
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Speaker 4: those little tiny guys for the dart. But I can
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Speaker 4: see that that's the GPS points or whatever they might be,
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Speaker 4: you know, put his phone moving around the house, and
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Speaker 4: that could be from several different things. It could be
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Speaker 4: GPS from the phone, it could be estimated locations from
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Speaker 4: the cellular network which is not GPS, So he could
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Speaker 4: be just moving around the house in this case, maybe
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Speaker 4: straightening up or cleaning up to the mess. I don't
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Speaker 4: believe he's obviously out there shooting chipmunks.
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Speaker 13: Very Morphew's cell phone is pinging all around the house
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Speaker 13: on May night. Investigators believe the activity shows Morphew chasing
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Speaker 13: Suzanne around the house after shooting her with the tranquilizer gun.
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Speaker 13: Asked about the unusual activity, more few claims he was
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Speaker 13: just shooting chipmunks around the property. They're a constant problem.
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Speaker 13: Another problem for Morphew is his timeline of the night
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Speaker 13: of May ninth. He claims he went to bed at
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Speaker 13: eight pm, but computer shows the truck in reverse and
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Speaker 13: backing up toward the house around nine thirty pm.
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Speaker 1: Let me remind everyone that Barry Morphew is considered under
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Speaker 1: the law innocent.
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Speaker 2: He is presumed.
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Speaker 1: Innocent, and the rest of that sentence is unless and
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Speaker 1: until the state overcomes that presumption with evidence that proves guilt.
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Speaker 1: Right now, Barry Morphew is presumed innocent. If you know
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Speaker 1: or think you know anything about Suzanne Morphew's murder, you
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Speaker 1: may think it's insignificant. LA law enforcement may think otherwise.
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Speaker 1: It's not too late to come forward. The tip line
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Speaker 1: is seven one nine three one two seven five three
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Speaker 1: zero repeat seven one nine three one two seven five
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Speaker 1: three zero.
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Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off.
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