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Interlinked: We were a thing before Harambe · ATX Metal Podcast

• Ryan Rayle (00:01.857) And away we go. What is up everybody? Ryan ATX Metal Podcast back today with Interlinked. The algorithm said you need some Texas style, central Texas, central of the, central of the Texas, well not central Texas, but just you need some Texas era in your life. You need some Texas counterparts in your life. like, anyway, we got Interlinked. Jordan's here. We're all excited. Dissolve just dropped. They got an EP album coming out in September and I've never heard of these guys. so whenever not, I'm not like, that's a swipe. That's not a anyway, but the, the song caught me the little teaser that they threw out on, think Instagram, definitely worked. And, so I contacted them and here we are. So Jordan, introduce yourself, what you do in the band, where you're from, and then we'll just kind of go from there. Jordan Rosser (01:02.876) yeah. so my name is Jordan, as, put forth by, by Ryan here. I'm still going by that name. So that, that'll work for this interview. I do the vocals in the band. I do all the, screaming, all the growling, all the, the, the little bits of singing that, that happen. I do that as well. other than that, I've, I've been with the band the whole time. we were actually a, another band at one point in time. I've, been with the same group of, of, four. nincompoops for the last 10 years or so and we've been just, you know, grinding it out. I'm from Cleburne, Texas, which is, you know, like 30 minutes south of Fort Worth. We've been, you know, just grinding our teeth in the DFW scene for, yeah, like I said, about a decade at this point, which is wild to think about because I still like to pretend that I'm young and with it and hip, but, you know, it's not as easy anymore. Ryan Rayle (01:59.547) I can second the, it's not as easy anymore. Your boy has a birthday in about a month, be the ripe age of 42, still chugging along. But as we were talking before we hit record, Jordan complimented me, said I don't look a day over 29. And I greatly, greatly appreciate that. And you saying you've been in this a decade, you look like you just graduated high school. So I mean like, Jordan Rosser (02:20.706) And I mean it. Jordan Rosser (02:28.686) You know, it's funny you say that, this shirt actually, the Allegiant shirt. I got this shirt in 2015. I was in the high school band, right? I played trombone. And we went to Disney World for like a band trip on like spring break. And it was on that trip with my drummer, Isaac, who's still our drummer today. That's what I mean, right? We've been at this for God forever. Ryan Rayle (02:54.439) wow. Jordan Rosser (02:57.076) we found out that we were opening a show in Fort Worth for Allegiant and we were both like, know, we're going to rule the world. Everyone's going to buy our stuff and we're going to run things. And we were in Disney World and he and I still talk about like that was like the best week of our entire lives. And then like after that Harambe got shot and like it's just been downhill ever since Pokemon Go happened. That was a blip in the radar and here we go. yeah, no, long time. Yeah, yeah. Ryan Rayle (03:15.707) Aww man. Ryan Rayle (03:22.011) Yeah. And you guys just got lost in the shuffle. Dang. I mean, Harambe was a big deal. It was, it was, I mean, never forget, right? Like, you know, man, I did not think I was going to be taken there today. Jordan Rosser (03:26.574) Could have been us. Jordan Rosser (03:32.022) Yeah, split the timeline. Jordan Rosser (03:43.24) I'm sorry, I didn't mean to derail all of this right out of the gate, but Yeah. Sometimes time doesn't heal, you know? And it's an important lesson to learn. Ryan Rayle (03:46.927) All these like old wounds and like, no man. I mean, you know, but I think, I think it's important to point out that something such as a gorilla in captivity passing away is something that can bring back just some of the most wild memories of just a certain specific time in, in, in time, if that makes sense. Jordan Rosser (04:14.85) Yeah. Ryan Rayle (04:16.431) Damn. I just came here to talk about music. Now we're getting personal with Harambe cuts. Shit. I love it. I love it. All right. So interlinked sounds like you guys have been around for a while. Give give everybody, including myself, because I did a little bit of homework, but I just wanted to hear it straight from, you know, someone that actually, you know, in today's age, you need real sources, people like you need to talk. You need to vet. Jordan Rosser (04:22.828) Yeah, you know, man, it's all interlinked. It's all so tied together, right? Jordan Rosser (04:44.078) For sure. Ryan Rayle (04:46.607) Truth or what is it? Trust but verify, right? So here is. Jordan Rosser (04:49.772) Yeah, yeah. Now I'm still working on my AI agent. But for now, I still have to do this, so I'm going to do my best. Ryan Rayle (04:57.467) Oh, God, the fact that you know what an A.I. agent is is like. My God, real quick, just sidetracked. Explain what explain what that is. Jordan Rosser (05:00.333) Wait. Jordan Rosser (05:08.206) Well, to me, just means I don't have to talk on these interviews and fill out paper forms and stuff at work or whatever. And I can just tell the computer to go do it for me and it'll go to the websites and grab all the forms and call the IRS and pretend to be a real person. I work in a tax department, by the way. That's my day job or whatever. Yeah, so the mess in with. Ryan Rayle (05:29.837) really? Okay. Jordan Rosser (05:34.516) know, tax forms and stuff. I would love it if I could make an AI do that, but unfortunately they're not quite there. My job is so contingent on like human error. I don't think it'll ever get replaced. These people, know, communication errors is my job basically. Ryan Rayle (05:47.991) wow. All right. Well, good for having a not robot job, taking job. yeah. But yeah, so there, there are things I was actually just watching, a, just, just a, extended story or, or real, from a cybersecurity guy. And they're talking about, about AI agents that like, like you just said, Jordan Rosser (05:50.368) Yeah. Yeah, It's the music I have to worry about, the AI taking the job, so... Ryan Rayle (06:15.727) There are things that you could just tell a computer program to do that are very binary, very functional. But at the end of the day, once you give it, once you give it basically power of attorney to go and do this, then it was like, there were some vulnerabilities. And they found that other AI agents are convincing other AI agents that do things for each other. Jordan Rosser (06:38.968) Dead internet. Jordan Rosser (06:43.702) Yeah. And that's fun too, because it gets to a point where it's like, yeah. Ryan Rayle (06:46.043) But in your name, is there... Oh my God. Jordan Rosser (06:51.276) Yeah, no, that's fun. Eventually we're just going to have an internet that's like no user interface required because like the AI can just parse through all the data itself. I didn't mean to turn this into a tech podcast. I'm so sorry. Ryan Rayle (07:01.221) Man. No, no, no, no. This is I am God. I Jordan, when I say that I love to talk to people about their music, I genuinely do. And I think people genuinely do want to hear about your band, but I've always been a big fan of just getting to know, like get it, getting to have conversations like this with people like you, because now everyone knows that you're into taxes and you're probably going to get a few DMS, right? Jordan Rosser (07:27.95) Yeah. Ryan Rayle (07:30.821) But like, you know, and the, and the, and the print of the quick quip pro quo is going to be cool. I'll help you out. Your taxes just pre-save on Spotify. Okay. Like this is, this is how it works. Right. It's all interconnected interlinked. So, yeah, man, bio bands, dude, I've, I I'm here for conversations like this, man. So, you know, it's Joe Rogan light just, you know, Jordan Rosser (07:38.37) Yeah, buy a shirt, a vinyl, do something. Jordan Rosser (07:44.429) Yeah. Jordan Rosser (07:47.842) Bio, I think, is where we were. So sorry about that. Jordan Rosser (07:56.195) Sure. Jordan Rosser (08:02.242) Little less problematic, we'll figure it out. We'll make up for it later, I promise. Yeah, no, I actually thought it was interesting just because we haven't played in Austin area proper, which is the name of the podcast that's hanging up right here. But I did want to offer a nugget here that I was thinking about it after we talked the first time. And I was just like, man, I hope that they don't call me a poser in front of everybody on the internet. Ryan Rayle (08:07.066) Yeah. Ryan Rayle (08:19.471) Ha Jordan Rosser (08:31.394) But I remembered that one of the first shows that really made me decide that I wanted to be, to go after something like this, was actually a show that I went to at the Dirty Dog in 2013, which is just like one of the OG Austin venues from what I understand, infamy around that place. it was a show with a band called Widower. Ryan Rayle (08:52.069) Yes. Jordan Rosser (08:56.108) I don't know, I'm sure they're not still around anymore, but they were heat that night. I actually bought a sticker from them and I put it on my bass guitar because that was... Ryan Rayle (09:04.418) my God. Wait, did you just say bought a sticker? You. Yes. Yeah, buddy. Jordan Rosser (09:07.086) I did, I'm pretty sure I did. It was like $2 and just, yeah, I was like 14, 15 at the time, but it was Whittler and a band at the time that was called Legion, but would soon change their name to Mastema, I think a year or two later. And they opened for Havoc, which is like a new age thrash metal band or whatever, which was great by the way, that was a great show. Ryan Rayle (09:25.603) Interesting. Jordan Rosser (09:33.806) But was like after watching that show that like my cousin and I, were like, we got to start a band or whatever. And, you know, he fell off that wagon a long time ago whenever he was like, we're not going to be millionaires. And I was like, no, I don't think so. And he was like, well, this sucks. And I was like, it does suck, but I love it. So let's, keep going. So that was whenever I met up, this would have been like 2014. I was still in high school at the time. I graduated in 2016. So I was a sophomore. And that's when I met Isaac, who's the drummer, like I mentioned, I'm so sorry. I didn't want to do that to you, but. Ryan Rayle (09:40.443) No. Ryan Rayle (10:02.715) To be young again, woe is me. I was gonna say, I didn't wanna say it upfront, but I think the cat is actually gonna steal the show today. I mean. Jordan Rosser (10:04.302) Oh look at my cat getting in a fight back here. Jordan Rosser (10:10.688) Yeah, no, it's all good. Yeah, that's wasabi. The the orange fella just hopped up there and then a ponzu. I think my tuxedo boy he's he's hanging out in there somewhere too. They'll they'll be Yeah, yeah, they'll they'll be you know crashing in every now and then i'm sure But yeah, no, we we met up in like 2014 because we were in the same high school in cleaver in texas Which like if you know cleaver and like our main tourist attraction is a walmart Ryan Rayle (10:13.871) What up wasabi? Ryan Rayle (10:20.622) is that like a window up in the perch up in the sill? I got you. Jordan Rosser (10:37.086) So there wasn't a whole lot to do. So we were like, well, let's start a band, you know? And at the time it was just all thrash metal. That's what we were into, was just playing as fast and as angry as we could. And Isaac had a house out in a field, you know? So that's where we would go and practice. And that's how I met Spencer and Seth. And those two are still in the band as well. So yeah, it's been 11 years and we're all still... Ryan Rayle (11:01.765) Wow. Jordan Rosser (11:05.614) talking Dungeons and Dragons and pretending to play music together, it's great. The band that we were in at the time was called Exhortation, which is like a biblical term. But we played a couple shows like in Houston and Dallas, Fort Worth, all that for years. And then eventually had the hard convo where we were like, well, we don't want to make thrash metal anymore. We want to make more metal core stuff like what Dissolve is. And we had met Tony. who's the main songwriter of the Interlinked songs at this point. We met him in 2016 off of Craigslist, which is just insane, pool. Yeah, no, we really lucked out. He's a bit of a cryptid. We don't really know too much about Tony. He just kind of shows up and has all the riffs. And we're like, those riffs are sick, Tony. Let's use these. And then he goes, OK, ha ha. And then vanishes off the face of the earth for another month. Ryan Rayle (11:44.165) Dude, yes. Sorry, I like a good Craigslist story. Jordan Rosser (12:04.686) And we love them to death and anytime we get to hang out with them, it's a blast. it's a bit at this point. Ryan Rayle (12:10.316) Fuck yeah, that's hilarious. I just have like I just I just have like this this image of Tony now Jordan Rosser (12:18.491) you know Tony. You know Tony. If you can think of it, yeah. Ryan Rayle (12:24.099) It's... Ha ha ha, yeah they're great. And then just poof. Jordan Rosser (12:27.416) Just, yeah, most like habitable, kind man just shreds. And that's that. Even-tempered. I love Tony. I wish he were here. I miss Tony so bad. Shout out, Tony. But yeah. Ryan Rayle (12:35.344) Man. Shout out to Tony. Man, hiding, hiding in the, hiding in the shadows, just crafting rat, just riffing. man. Okay. Jordan Rosser (12:45.986) Riffin' Yeah. That was the big scary thing was like at the time whenever we made the band, all I wanted to do was play bass. There's one behind me that was like my great passion in life was like, I just wanted to play bass and like, you know, have fun at the shows and stuff. And then they found out I could yell and stuff. And I got stuck with vocal duties and I've been there ever since. So that's that's been my my journey, as it were. Ryan Rayle (13:14.511) Man, is, there's a lot there. That's, I mean, the first thing that I guess I'm gravitated to is that, so you guys, four out of the five have been together for basically, basically since inception. And. Jordan Rosser (13:29.742) Mm-hmm. Jordan Rosser (13:34.122) Yeah. We're like a old married, polycule at this point. Ryan Rayle (13:38.607) Yeah, sure. I'll go with that word. But man, so you guys, man, that's, that's wild. I mean, just having the fact that not a lot of people these days, especially men, here's the PSA guys, don't have those kinds of like core friends in their life anymore. In the, you know, upper echelon ages, but the fact that you guys, you know, have been kicking it for 10 years and are still friends, but also make music. I mean, being in a band is hard enough, you know, and doing that life, but like making music with your friends that you've known forever is also, think it's double duty. there's, it's, there's layers, man. There's fucking layers. And I, I think that's cool. So you guys have really got to see each other grow up. Jordan Rosser (14:28.898) Yeah. Yeah, it's tough. Ryan Rayle (14:35.611) What's something that kind of stands out in y'all's relationship that you're like, I'm glad I saw that or I'm glad I was there for that. Jordan Rosser (14:45.998) Really just, know, like Seth and I, we both ended up going to college at a university in North Texas up in Denton. So, you know, just in a very meaningful way, getting to see each other like grow into like actual professional like careers and stuff after, you college and just working our way through college and all like the cool house shows and local gigs that you can catch in Denton, Texas. and just going through that experience with one of my best friends and someone that we make art together. And we met a lot of people in the Denton area, Denton scene, doing those sorts of things too. Went to a lot of shows at Killer's Tacos. That was probably just the best four-ish years of it was just figuring out not only who we were as artists, but in this larger tapestry of like, well, who are we as people too? And like, what's life looking like after this? You have so many of those conversations where you're just like, what are we gonna be when we grow up in a couple of years here? And then just like everything that orbits around it. And all the cool shows we got to play. Actually, I'm gonna out myself here real quick. We had a show with DRI that was scheduled and I had to... back us out of that show like a week before because I had like a statistics final or something like that. Yeah, dude, that was tough. like that was a rough couple of days in the group chat. I felt awful for that. I thought they were gonna kick me out for it. I thought that was curtains, you know? Ryan Rayle (16:33.58) man. Jordan Rosser (16:35.822) we also on that same vein Yeah, dude, I got an I got a I got to be in that class right and anyone who knows me Yeah, math is not my strong suit. Of course I say as I work in the tax department. I don't know how that i'm a masochist I guess There was another show we had a show that we booked with with suicidal tendencies that had to get cancelled last minute because one of the band members had like an emergency and had to go to the hospital and then Ryan Rayle (16:37.356) my god. Statistics. Ryan Rayle (16:43.845) See, that's what counts. Ryan Rayle (16:50.213) Tax Division. Ryan Rayle (17:05.208) Ugh. Jordan Rosser (17:06.038) like a month later they rescheduled the show but like the promoter came back and was like, look guys on this one, no locals, sorry. And so we didn't get to play it and that still haunts us. We're still mad about that one to this day. But it's all good. Cause like, you know, we changed the name of the band and we're not, you know, making that kind of music anymore. So we'll find a, you know, another band to, to, you know, be upset with not being able to play that show. It'll be great. Ryan Rayle (17:16.431) Man. That sucks. Ryan Rayle (17:30.491) Yeah, well, I'm which I'm sure there'll be many because not not every local band gets to play the show that they really really want to play and I've learned you know, I've learned that throughout the years because the hell I get to I get to help build some of the lineups, know, and we'll you know, I'm like like yeah, bring the headliner but like fuck the other two bands that you're bringing. Can we just like fill this out? Like give us, you know, Basically, let us license your name for a night and you just play at the end But you know, everybody's everybody's gonna pay to come, you know, you know see you but let's just let's just take a little top off take a little off top for the for the locals, but Man so so from so from thrash to Battlecore ones and zeros head bobbing like what was what was that transition like to go from writing, you know, cuz Jordan Rosser (18:02.296) Yeah. Jordan Rosser (18:10.104) Yeah. Jordan Rosser (18:13.742) God's work. Ryan Rayle (18:29.785) I mean, there's elements of everything in every genre, but to make that hard, to make that switch, I mean, did you guys find it easy? Were you already kind of you know, melodic metalcore stuff and you were like, but I play thrash in the band. Does that make sense? Jordan Rosser (18:47.554) Yeah, no, it's again kind of my fault, because at the time, but this is before Tony showed up and just ruined everything for me with his godly skills. Yeah, dude. Can't believe him. No, because at the time I wrote most of the stuff that we performed, which was the thrash metal stuff. I would just grab a bass and start shredding. And that was just the riffs, right? Ryan Rayle (18:58.555) Here's Riffs. caveman. Jordan Rosser (19:16.878) you know, we got a little older. And again, I'm going back to this Disney trip and I'm so sorry. I promise I'm not a shill. I'm not paid for. I wish I were, honestly. Life would be so much easier. But it was it was on this trip that that same trip that I got introduced to the Alpha and Omega albums that Periphery had put out in that year in 2015. And yeah, I hadn't heard them. And I really wasn't Ryan Rayle (19:29.605) some type of sponsorship. Ryan Rayle (19:42.821) Say no more. Jordan Rosser (19:46.638) into metalcore or like Gent or any of those genres until basically until that trip. And I was like, okay, well, let's check out some other stuff. And then I found Tesseract's Altered State album, which is still on repeat all the time. And I was kind of late to the party on those because all the rest of my band was filling their minds with that propaganda. And so I had to kind of... Ryan Rayle (20:14.053) fucking metal core propaganda. I love it. Jordan Rosser (20:15.884) Yeah, no, it got to him. It got to him, yeah, so you just kind of using periphery and tesseract as gateway drugs to this larger world of metalcore bands that I was unfamiliar with, but that everyone around me in the band had already been hanging on to. Like Whitechapel was one that Spencer and Seth were way into at the time. You got your job for Cowboy, more like deathcore type stuff, which was a little harder on the uptake for me. But was kind of just like, it's been a learning journey for me to just get into those genres myself. But when Tony showed up, Tony was very much into the kind of classic metalcore bands. specifically, After the Burial was a really, really big one for him. And so he's showing up playing After the Burial riffs. And I have Slayer caveman brain. And it was just a different language for me. Ryan Rayle (21:03.616) yeah. Jordan Rosser (21:13.71) But I knew it was good, right? Like we knew it was heat. It was just like, how do we how do we like mesh these two styles and you know, make something good here and for like a year or two we were really racking our brains with it because we released like a thrash album in like 2016 and then like all the 2017 we were completely silent because we were trying to figure out like how to marry the two styles and the answer was you kind of don't and like I was talking with like our longtime producer at the time Emma Ryan Rayle (21:36.517) Yeah. Jordan Rosser (21:41.57) good enough, they're in Seattle now, God rest their souls. But they were basically like, hey, you know, exhortation doesn't have to become a metalcore band if exhortation doesn't become a metalcore band. And like, I had never heard it put that way before. But then after that, it was like so obvious. It was like, well, like, you know, 11 people know who we are anyway. So if we just switch up, you know, the name and our style, you know, we could like, who cares? It's fine. We can do whatever we want. Ryan Rayle (22:03.088) Haha! Ryan Rayle (22:06.81) Yeah. Jordan Rosser (22:08.494) And so that's basically what we ended up doing. We wrote the Shelter EP throughout 2018, 2019, got it all recorded, sounded good. were biding our time, waiting to get everything into place. And then the world ended and a pandemic happened. So we couldn't play any shows or anything like that. So we just waited, sat on the material. like, OK, well, maybe we'll be able to put this out in October or something. we'll be able to play some shows. And of course, not the case. So by the time we were able to like finally consider playing shows and stuff, I got a job offer in Oklahoma City, which is where I am now. And so we've been kind of this nebulous, like remote band for the last like year and change or so since I've been up here. And that's probably changing soon. I think that... We're gonna get back into some rehearsal spaces and see what we got in our very advanced age. If we can still kick it and probably play some shows, that'd be fun. Ryan Rayle (23:18.459) I like everything you just said. Brief summary. Man, that's crazy. So you said that that might be changing soon. So are you like gonna move back or? Jordan Rosser (23:23.202) Well, I'm glad that's good. Jordan Rosser (23:36.672) threatening to? I'm threatening it. We'll see if it takes, but even if I don't, I still think we'll be able to pull it off just because I've made the drive so many times at this point. It's really not that big of a deal. Like I-35, it's like little over two hours, which like, yeah, exactly, right? I was like, I was having a real think about it and I was like, man, like Oklahoma City is closer to like DFW than like Ryan Rayle (23:39.93) Okay. Ryan Rayle (23:50.619) What is it like? How long? Ryan Rayle (23:59.899) Change. Jordan Rosser (24:05.898) Austin is. because that's like a three hour and change, you know, sometimes if traffic's not awful. Ryan Rayle (24:06.807) Austin. Yes. Three hour tour. It's, yeah, I refer to things in Texas in Gilligan tour model. And that's really, that's really showing my age. But basically for those that don't know for the young ones out there, there was a show called Gilligan's Island and they were just supposed to go out for a three hour tour. So literally every from Austin to Houston, three hours. Jordan Rosser (24:21.442) Yeah, that's a good way to do it. Ryan Rayle (24:39.909) DFW three hours. mean, literally three hours around any major metropolitan area in Texas. You may will probably still be in Texas, but. Jordan Rosser (24:45.014) Yeah, for real. Yeah, and even three hours to get from one side of Dallas to the other side of Dallas. I hate that place. I hate those roads. I will do anything to not go to Dallas, Texas. Not that Deep Ellum isn't cool, because I like Deep Ellum. But man, we got to do something about our transit and our road systems and stuff. Anyway, that's a different genre. Ryan Rayle (24:53.797) Yeah. Ryan Rayle (24:58.533) Man. Ryan Rayle (25:03.867) Correct. Deep Elm's good. Ryan Rayle (25:14.351) Yeah, sorry, I just got lost in thought about like trains and how cool that would be to just have trains that, know, like Europe. I did get to experience the train system in Europe back in like 2010. That was, mean, holy cow. could be in any, you could be in 20 different countries in the same day, depending on where you were at for the most part. Like, Jordan Rosser (25:23.565) Yeah. Jordan Rosser (25:36.29) There is a channel on YouTube that is called Not Just Bikes, and it is like an urban planner. And like, he just trashes on like American transit systems and like the way that we set up our cities and like how much better like Norway and like Sweden or Switzerland like have it with their transit systems, even Japan. And you know what? To tie that in here, I think that would be great because then you could have bands from like Oklahoma City. Ryan Rayle (25:49.563) As one should. Jordan Rosser (26:04.77) coming down to Dallas in like an hour on like a speed line, right? And they can just set up and play and then be back home in time to tuck the kids in and go to their tax job. Yep. Ryan Rayle (26:13.007) could literally put all your shit on the train. you could like you would like, then then yeah, music would be able to be, you would, you would have more opportunities to play in front of people, which is what is the most important thing that I think is for me. mean, yeah, getting your name out there and doing stuff like this and any type of promotion is great, but it's, it's the live when, when, when you see a motherfucker up on stage or, or a set. that just like touches you like in like good touches, not bad touches, but, but yeah, that, that you're just like, well, that's it. And I've told this, I mean, countless times, like that's what, if I hear it, you know, like I heard you guys on, on Instagram, then I, you know, went to the discography, which sounds great. Now I just got to see it live, right? And if we had high rail speed system, governor Abbott, Jesus Christ fund, sorry. Jordan Rosser (26:47.15) Sure. Jordan Rosser (27:09.112) Yep. Could do it. Could do it tomorrow. No, you're totally right. Actually, piggybacking off of that, Oklahoma City has a line called the Heartland Flyer that goes from downtown Oklahoma City to downtown Fort Worth, and they're like threatening to get rid of it. And I'm so upset about that. But yeah, again, it's hard to fight with people that drive lifted F-250s everywhere. So I'll pick that fight, you know, another time, I guess. But I am upset about it. Ryan Rayle (27:37.883) Man that would man imagine just saying yeah I like if there were high speed rail that could get you from any of the major three which they could just I we have the land it's here but we could imagine being able to be in Houston in an hour like downtown from from Austin Dallas plug in Fort Worth you know drop over to Arlington and whatnot but yeah dude you'd be like yeah let's go rip a set Jordan Rosser (27:39.244) And yeah, that would be great. Jordan Rosser (28:07.202) Yeah. And like maybe people would actually go to the Houston Texans games. Ryan Rayle (28:07.449) see you at the train station, right? Ryan Rayle (28:12.291) my g- I was just thinking about I would go see more local shows, but yes, also Houston Texans, maybe even a Cowboys game. I'm not sure about that one, but I mean, this is, have the skillset, we have the knowledge. Jordan Rosser (28:19.501) yeah, that too. That too. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows? Jordan Rosser (28:27.486) no, I think you misspoke actually. It's the Calis Dau Boys. They have a lot of sets that they play in DFW. They're really good. Ryan Rayle (28:33.654) callus, that's right, my bad. Yeah. Wait. There is a band called the Calisdell Boys. Jordan Rosser (28:44.182) Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant. That's who you'd go see, right? There's no reason to go see the Dallas Cowboys. You'd go see the Dallas Cowboys. Ryan Rayle (28:49.923) No- Ryan Rayle (28:56.047) What's Jordan Rosser (28:57.024) Sorry, I've been saddled with the generational curse of being a Dallas Cowboys fan, and that's my father's fault, and I have to bear that sin as long as I live. But I will make fun of them until I'm in the ground, man. Ryan Rayle (29:06.99) Ryan Rayle (29:11.953) my God. man. I feel like I just had like I had a moment there where I was almost I was like where the where the fuck am I at? I said I yeah I was like I was like Dallas Cowboys, Callous Dowboys but then I was like yeah just reverse. Okay that makes sense. I was like wait there is an actual band name the Callous Dowell Boys it's like D-A-O-B-O-Y-S. Jordan Rosser (29:23.88) that puts you in a healthcare facility at 41. Jordan Rosser (29:32.348) yeah. Jordan Rosser (29:36.728) Yeah. Yeah, they put out an album this year that is absolutely brilliant if you haven't heard it yet. Good metalcore. Ryan Rayle (29:44.365) Okay. I. I appreciate you, sir. I appreciate you. This is this is some peak Internet right here. This is is this is quality content. There's this is. This is fun. This is why I do it. I appreciate you. I appreciate you. So. Wow, we've covered a lot of fucking ground and it's only right at 30 minutes. Look at that perfect timing. Perfect segue. Jordan Rosser (29:50.242) I got you. Jordan Rosser (29:53.963) Yeah Jordan Rosser (30:00.616) Hey, thanks. Ryan Rayle (30:13.909) so now that we understand, where the band came from and, and all, all that, you know, hap, how you went from thrash to metal core and, and, you know, the, I'm sorry, the metal core propaganda, the machine got you. So now here we are. We've got dissolve that just dropped this past Friday. By the time you hear this as had been two Fridays, but, Tell me about that song. I mean, that song, I think I called you guys, Era's Dallas cousin in Dallas or something like that. God, what was, what did I call you? The Dallas cousins of Era, yeah. Jordan Rosser (30:52.096) Yeah, the Dallas Cousins of Era. Yeah, I appreciate that by the way, hell of a compliment. Ryan Rayle (31:01.691) I just, just, that's the, that's the vibe that I get. And actually just to kind of like full circle it, the first time I ever saw arrow was in a dirty dog bar. I want to say 20, 2015. That was the first time I had ever seen them talk to JT outside. He was like, dude, I keep an SM seven in my, in, in the van just for podcasts. And I, and I'm sitting here on the, on the street of dirty, like we're downtown at dirty dog six street for those that Jordan Rosser (31:02.38) We love Aero. Jordan Rosser (31:11.704) Wow, really? Damn. Jordan Rosser (31:24.824) That's sick. Ryan Rayle (31:31.619) I never got to experience it. was, even though it was sometimes considered a shithole, it was, it was our shithole, but man, some of the bands that came through there, my God, some of the, some of the lineups were just $20 for this. Are you fucking kidding me? Jordan Rosser (31:38.368) It was our shithole. Jordan Rosser (31:51.032) Yeah, I'm trying to imagine Era playing Dirty Dog like right now and like how absolutely absurd that would be. So maybe we can make that happen. That'd be fun. Ryan Rayle (31:59.991) Man, I think what it got converted into some fucking plant store or something. I I like plants Yeah, yeah it it Jordan Rosser (32:05.326) Dirty Dog did? Well, let's book them there. It'll be fine. They do like the floral design stuff. We'll figure something out. Ryan Rayle (32:12.557) I mean that that fuck, Era playing at a florist would actually make sense. Music video would be good. anywho. Yeah. So yeah, sorry. Dissolve, Era, cousins, music. How, how, how did we get to dissolve and what do we have to look forward to with, with this single release to kind of like lead up to something maybe down the line? Jordan Rosser (32:18.36) Good music video bait, I think. Jordan Rosser (32:27.502) This all. Jordan Rosser (32:42.05) Yeah, so Dissolve, were... So the way that it went right was like in 2022, we had like a Discord call, because that's kind of where we meet to discuss band matters as we have like our own Discord or whatever, and we just chat in there. And I had like brought forth this idea. I'd gotten really into Nine Inch Nails at the time, which is like probably my favorite band at this point, which is like a bit of a bummer to say, but I mean it. So I'm gonna say it, you know, it's fine. By the way, they just put out a new song for the Tron soundtrack. Banger. Absolutely a banger. Yeah. Rip to what's his name, whoever the lead actor for that one is. I'd see it for the soundtrack and the visual effects, but that guy can go away forever. That's fine. No, so we were, I had gotten really into the downward spiral and the fragile and those concept albums, And growing up, Ryan Rayle (33:16.057) Ooh, Tron. Yes. I'm going to go see that for sure. Jordan Rosser (33:37.632) My father was like a huge Pink Floyd fan, so we have The Wall and things like that, Animals, huge concept albums. And I've always wanted to do one. And so I was like, what if we made like a concept album and it was like, you know, 30 minutes and came in, said its piece, pieced out. And it was really aggressive and it was really sad. And that was that. And we were all on board and it just took many years for us to find the right producer. Because like I said, we had one that we were working with. that had to move to Seattle and then we had another one that we worked with for a single and then they had to move as well. And so we were just losing producers left and right that we felt comfortable working with. And so for about a year and a half there, we wanted to try like self producing it and like we got some demos out of it, but we weren't really super happy with the end result. Not enough to like release it to the world, but it worked as demos. And then we got really lucky when we, actually, you know, I'm gonna give a shout out here. There's another band from the DFW area, they're called Backtalk. And they had a single come out in January of 2024, I think it was, it's called Ant Hill. And absolutely blew me away. Fantastic song. And everything they put out is great. that song, Backtalk. Yeah, all one word. Those guys are great, great dudes. Ryan Rayle (34:49.167) What's their name again? Backtalk. Okay. Jordan Rosser (34:58.432) amazing stuff. They got an album coming out, I think, at some point here. They haven't announced it yet, but I know it. And it's good stuff. But I know it's in my heart. They have a producer. I was like, who produced this? Right. Because like it just sounded it sounds massive. And if you go like listen to the track, you'll hear it. And, you know, we found out that it was was Taylor Beckstead. And he has a studio out now in Texas. And the name like immediately, you know, Ryan Rayle (35:06.69) It's like, I know. Jordan Rosser (35:27.604) rang in my head and it turns out that he had messaged me on Instagram in like 2020 after we put out like our first EP and was like, hey guys, like if you ever like do anything again, like let me know and we can work together. And I was like, dang it. Cause it's one of those things where like at the time we were so saddled up with our producer that we were working with and we didn't think that that was gonna change. And so I just kind of was like, yeah, you know, like I'll keep you in mind, right? So I ended up responding four years later and I was like, Ryan Rayle (35:40.027) Wow. Ryan Rayle (35:51.172) Right. Jordan Rosser (35:55.627) you still for real about this? Like, let's see. yeah, yeah, I kept meaning to get back to you, And I just, you know, I lost my phone for four years. Ryan Rayle (35:57.115) Hey, sorry, just now seeing this. Ryan Rayle (36:05.835) It's just like, look, you like, you scroll up and then you see like the last one and you're like, my. Jordan Rosser (36:12.11) Yeah, so I felt a little bit like an idiot on that one. But to his credit, he was super cool about it. He was like, absolutely love your guys' stuff, come track with me. And by this point, we had been whittled down so far in our confidence, right? We were like, well, I don't even know if we can do this anymore. And so we were settling with the idea of like, let's just record one song. And if it goes well, we'll go from there. And we go in. And it felt like we were working with a brother or something. We had known them our entire lives. The chemistry was just instantaneous. He was funny. was cracking jokes. The environment was super comfortable. Obviously, the stuff sounded great. And so Tony comes in and just lays down all the riffs. Yeah, exactly. He walks in, says something unintelligible, giggles, and then just rips for 30 minutes. Ryan Rayle (36:46.277) Good. Ryan Rayle (36:59.067) Ha ha ha. Jordan Rosser (37:08.406) You we tracked an entire song that night, vocals and all. You'll actually hear it on the album. The song's called Nekomata. I think it's the third song. Yeah. It's a Japanese folklore about like a spiritual cat, right? And the thing about it is that it hates humanity and seeks to destroy it and sets fires. Ryan Rayle (37:12.901) Wow. Ryan Rayle (37:18.171) Nacomata? What's that mean? Jordan Rosser (37:36.096) and tries to burn all these places, because in medieval Japan, everything was made of wood, right? And so the idea was that the Nakamata hated humanity and would intentionally set fires because it would burn the cities down. Yeah, I don't know if you're much of a... Exactly, are you much of a gamer at all? Ryan Rayle (37:52.091) to get rid of humanity. Because it hated it. Ryan Rayle (37:59.411) no, I do not consider myself a gamer. consider myself, a casual call of duty player, literally just because that was something that, again, kind of like the Harambe thing. call of duty obviously had, had Verdansk and rebirth and there's multiple levels of, of, of all of this, but there was just this kind of like when COVID hit. fucking war zone, man. Like that was, that was like the government said, you're not allowed to leave your house. And everybody was like, bet where like we're dropping, we're dropping in on prison super store. Like, are we getting weird and going stadium? Like what's happening? And, man. God. Yeah. I had, so, so this is kind of how me taking over Jordan Rosser (38:37.816) Where are we dropping? Where are we dropping? Jordan Rosser (38:45.998) was always stadium. Hot drop. Let's go. Roll RIP. Ryan Rayle (38:56.559) the podcast. So a little lore here. Once COVID hit, we had just kind of gotten everything situated at my buddy Chris's house. Shout out Crow Man. Love that dude. We're still homies today. He was one of the original founders of the podcast as well. So he was like, hey man, you know, after COVID, he's like, I'm just, I think I'm just done with the podcast. Take it over. So then I started doing locked in the closet here at the house. talking to bands that I've never heard of. So the fact that you guys popped up like at the same time I was taking over the reins and like, anyway, going down the wrong rabbit hole, Ryan. Jesus Christ. Jordan Rosser (39:38.391) I'm Jordan Rosser (39:42.158) This is funny how it all shakes out though. Ryan Rayle (39:44.123) Yeah, dude, it's it's it yeah, it's wild So lore Japan not a gamer Warzone But does that does the concept of the album have to do with Japanese lore? Is that what I'm the vibe I'm picking up? Jordan Rosser (39:52.194) yeah. I asked that question. Jordan Rosser (40:04.012) No, unfortunately not really. The reason that I asked about whether or not you were a gamer is that Nekomata was actually the name of a sniper rifle in Cyberpunk that Tony and I and Seth and Isaac, think, actually as well, we all love Cyberpunk and played that game for hundreds of hours. so that was actually the working title of the track was Nekomata. And we were like, let's just stick with it. Because we went over the lyrics. Ryan Rayle (40:06.095) Okay. Ryan Rayle (40:14.777) Really? Jordan Rosser (40:30.612) And at that part in the story of the concept is the idea is that the protagonist, the character has taken stock of humanity and where we're at as a species and the things that we're doing to each other in the post-COVID society. Just everything that's going on in the world and downfall of Western ideas and things like that. It's a whole thing. But their conclusion is right. There's no purpose in us being here. We need to burn it all down if we have any chance of making something of ourselves. And so the idea of burning down what we have and the idea of the Nekomata as a mythological figure, was just like, well, that kind of just works, doesn't it? Might as well just keep it. Plus, it sounds cool. But yeah, to get to Dissolve, actually, that song, those riffs had been languishing in a Google Drive for years, I think since 2019. Ryan Rayle (41:16.475) Let's just burn it. Jordan Rosser (41:28.778) so the thing was, it's like, like I said, we went into the studio just to see if we could record anything and it went so well that we were like, well, shit, now we have to record just everything we got. Let's just, you know, go, go to the Google drive and see what, what's in there and what we can craft. Yeah. Ryan Rayle (41:29.167) Yes. Ryan Rayle (41:45.96) wait, hold that thought, hold that thought. Jordan Rosser (42:09.742) okay. I was so scared. Ryan Rayle (42:12.645) Some of the Ryan Rayle (42:17.119) I, brother, am, I am, I am going, I'm on one today. I've been reminded of so many amazing things in the past 10 years by just having a conversation with you. It's fucking incredible. What you just heard was created for something that I actually am thinking about bringing back. And it was called the Google drive, but I can't like technically claim it as the Google drive. Cause that's obviously. Jordan Rosser (42:31.118) Well, gotta get to it. Ryan Rayle (42:44.335) Trademarked, but essentially the idea was that, the podcast subscribes to many promotional emailers. So we get all kinds of submissions and my God, there are, there's some, there's, there's, there's a lot of just, all right, that's music, you know, and then every now and again, you'll, like, we found some really good music and then which have converted into. you know, conversations and podcasts. So the fact that you're saying that you're digging around in your Google drive for riffs and some shit that was like that, that was just sitting there on the shelf was like, or is the bones of dissolve? Like, why couldn't I have gotten emails like that? Like, Hey man, what do you think about this? And if I would have played dissolve from the Google drive by Lanta, Jordan Rosser (43:38.606) Yeah, no, that's why you get on Craigslist. You never know what you'll find. Ryan Rayle (43:42.693) Dude, Craig, yeah. And Craigslist, I actually just created a Craigslist listing the other day, amazingly. And I know that shocks people cause you just put it on Facebook marketplace or fucking Etsy or Shopify or whatever. Like, nah, man, like Craigslist is like the street level. It's almost, it's almost like a street team. If, anybody remembers what a street team is, people that would, would like hand out flyers after a show. Jordan Rosser (43:56.686) on the correct list. Ryan Rayle (44:12.315) to another show and their payment was to get into the show under the context of doing that again. So it was this revolving door of you have, you know, someone that's gonna promote your show as long as you print the five by sevens and then you just have to let them in the show. it was, it's. Jordan Rosser (44:31.618) Yep. Sigma grindset. Ryan Rayle (44:35.289) Bro, it's godly, man. Can we get back to that? Let's get back to that. Jordan Rosser (44:40.0) I'm in love with the idea of like a street team or just like getting in front of people. It's like you were saying earlier, like the best way to like build those relationships with people is like you have to go talk to them. So yeah, like we used to burn CDs. I remember whenever I was going to college in Denton, we would burn CDs on my laptop and then take those CDs to we actually took one. was a was a free a free power trip show in the Denton town square. Ryan Rayle (44:43.761) yeah! Ryan Rayle (44:51.119) Got to. Ryan Rayle (45:08.101) W-what? Jordan Rosser (45:09.504) Yeah, this was 2016. Power Trip hadn't popped off yet, but they were very clearly about to. Nightmare Logic hadn't come out yet. It was coming out in like six months. So they played a free show at Andy's on the Denton Square. And we were 18, 19 years old. They wouldn't let us in because he had to be 21 or older. And yeah, man. Ryan Rayle (45:17.704) gotcha. Ryan Rayle (45:35.803) well, okay. Jordan Rosser (45:37.196) So Power Trip was there. I heard them, I saw them. I just saw them through the open door, right? Cause I couldn't go in the damn bar. But we had burned a bunch of CDs for our thrash metal band, right? And we were just handing them out to people as it came out. We like, we've been ostracized from the community, but please. And like, we talk about it all the time. It was just Isaac and I and like, just, I don't know. There's something so intimate and real about it. I don't know. think like in the age of the AI agent, Ryan Rayle (45:44.592) Yeah. Ryan Rayle (45:51.701) my god, yes! Jordan Rosser (46:06.552) that the best way for a band and for people to really make it, as it were, is just to build these relationships with real people face to face, hand them something, talk to them about music, let them know that you're real, and the authenticity is starting to really come back. And I think that's why things like vinyl records or CDs are in higher demand than they used to be. It's just because people are just longing for something tangible, something real, that they can actually... Ryan Rayle (46:07.707) Yeah Ryan Rayle (46:26.223) Man. Jordan Rosser (46:36.056) possess and partake in, be a part of something. Ryan Rayle (46:41.249) I, man, you're pretty fucking wise, my dude. Like that's some, that is, I mean, I could not have said that better myself. And the fact that you said that reminded me just, I think today, this morning, I had put up a post where, so I had an order of 20 acoustic panels. I billed them for home studios and businesses. So if anybody's looking for some, holla at your boy. But, plug. hey, I'll help you. I'm here. anyway, so I, in the time that I had putting this studio together, I found four CDs that were not with the other CDs that I have from local bands. And all three were local bands with the exception of Jordan Rosser (47:15.074) Hey, I might bug you man. I might bug you after this. Ryan Rayle (47:38.927) dying fetus, but they were all still in the plastic. And one of them was actually signed, shout out, Zabellian Triangle. Great band, great band. And it was just like, holy crap, man, like take this, you know, open the CD up, take the sleeve out. It was just like this real like ASMR moment where I'm like, the plastic is just like, and you finally rip it you're like, it ripped perfectly. It's where you can put it right back into this plastic sleeve if you're that type of person. Jordan Rosser (48:05.966) and see the artwork and read the lyrics. If there's any promos involved. Maybe the disc has cool art on it. Yeah. Ryan Rayle (48:08.787) yeah, man. But I, I, I did find this one from this band called Via Versa from Dallas. If anyone knows that band, I feel like Via Versus, V-I-A-V-R-B-E-R-U-S? Either way. Jordan Rosser (48:23.362) Is it via verses? Jordan Rosser (48:31.822) I might have them. I might know. Ryan Rayle (48:33.979) It was, man, but on the CD, it's just literally says like Memorex, whatever, whatever. And it just says, you know, five versus, and that was it. And I think it even had like www.facebook.com slash like, but it's, but it's that I really do think that if a band is looking to get their name out in, in like into today's age, like Jordan Rosser (48:48.618) Aw, damn. Ryan Rayle (49:02.971) Because we've, we just history repeats, man, you get, and plus you just get tired of doing the same thing over and over and over. Right. Like I would, I'm 42, put me on a fucking street team. I'll hand out flyers. You know what I mean? I'll go put, I'll go, I'll go, you know, put up some, uh, put up some, some actual flyers on some, on some telephone poles, duct tape, I don't give a shit, you know, go, go walk up, you know, even though you, in this, you have to, you have to contribute. Jordan Rosser (49:13.912) Let's go, Tuesday. Jordan Rosser (49:23.534) That's the goal. Ryan Rayle (49:31.843) or be a part of the city that you live in or the places that you want to be. So, you know, always start small. And if you can become, you know, I won't say popular enough, you know, respected enough to where people will come out and pay money to see you perform your art. Like you gotta be out there. Yeah, that's it, man. That's, mean, yeah, you gotta to build it. You gotta be a part of it. So, yeah, man, for, Jordan Rosser (49:47.34) Yeah, even just to build the community. Ryan Rayle (49:59.659) I will help any band out there do street team shit. I'll just, well, as long as it doesn't involve anything illegal. And then when we say illegal, we mean just like how illegal, but you know, we're not robbing banks or anything like that. Jordan Rosser (50:11.468) Yeah, no, we can talk about the drug trade, you know, off camera, but that's why we printed these guys, right? We got the CDs, we got some vinyls, all that good stuff. Comes in a resealable, like plastic package, like you said, and it breaks the same way every time. So good. Might send you a couple of those to give to some folks, because I would love that. Ryan Rayle (50:17.487) Yeah, you know. There it is. Ryan Rayle (50:34.171) I will pay personally. want one of the white vinyl. Look at me like I want. If there's a white vinyl available for sale, I would like to purchase that. Jordan Rosser (50:45.772) We don't have straight up white vinyl, but we do have the clear vinyl. Yeah. It's a little good. yeah. It renders weird whenever, you you get the mockups done because like they have like a background color and they're lit. So like, you know, so a clear vinyl ends up looking kind of silver. It's weird. But yeah, we got those and they're available. They're available now. And we speak to the camera. They're available now. You can go to our website, interlinkedband.com slash store and purchase one today. Anyway. Ryan Rayle (50:50.735) That one, okay, sorry. Maybe my eyes had just deceived me, but yeah. Ryan Rayle (51:15.675) Put it in the comments. Jordan Rosser (51:16.012) Yeah, September 5th. I got that album coming out. So, we're good. Ryan Rayle (51:20.901) Man, yeah, looked at the merch. I was like, yes. And then I had this, and then I found the CDs and I was like, my God, yeah. Might have to re-up the, cause I've always been buying vinyls. Fuck man, for a long time. And I buy a ton of drum heads like just above me. There's one, two, three, four, five, six, six, seven, All of them. Yeah, here, hold on one sec. Let me just grab like one just for now. Jordan Rosser (51:42.158) You got the signed one, right? Got a couple signed? All of them signed? Let's go. Yeah, go for it. Ryan Rayle (51:52.503) All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Show and Tell with Ryan. Hi, my name's Ryan. This one is the gloom in the corner. They recently just, yep, they recently, so this is why I get like, this is a one-off, right? That there is no other version of this, right? And also, then we got Shadow of Intent. Jordan Rosser (51:59.926) Let's go. Got the eye patch? Jordan Rosser (52:15.682) Damn. Ryan Rayle (52:18.875) see me through the kick drum. Jordan Rosser (52:20.726) just saw those guys at the Diamond Ballroom here in Oklahoma City. They absolutely destroyed the place. It was so good. Ryan Rayle (52:27.993) Yep. And this has like some type of texture to it. It's really crazy or spray. Yeah, it has like this rawhide kind of vibe to it. And then the one that started it all, this is a shameless plug. There we go. There we go. No, I haven't signed this one yet. I will. So that man, you want to talk about something I've wanted to tell people that I've never told people this is actually breaking news. Jordan Rosser (52:30.862) It almost looks like a faux- like leather sort of thing, almost. Jordan Rosser (52:37.912) That is so damn cool. Jordan Rosser (52:43.598) Did you sign this? You gotta change that, man. Ryan Rayle (52:55.919) Whoever takes over the podcast or wherever this ends up, that's when I'll sign it. I don't, I don't think that I'm there yet. You know, my, my signature is on a few things in the world, but you know, I would love for it to be there to where I could like pass the torch. That's kind of like the, the thing in my head whenever. Yeah. Yeah. Like dude, hang, hang this with pride. This, this means a lot. And you know, and I respect and you know, Jordan Rosser (53:16.334) The mantle of responsibility. Ryan Rayle (53:26.287) That's where I try to like see myself as like peers with you guys, because I know that the music that you guys create, everything that's tangible, like when it goes out the door, you're like, hell yeah, that's a little piece of us. So, but anyway, man, I have had a ton of fun, dude. Real quick, just before I forget, did we capture what was going on for the concept of the, of the, okay. Yeah, let's. Jordan Rosser (53:51.32) Not quite. Ryan Rayle (53:54.415) Let's circle back to that. like I feel I was like, damn, do we I feel like we forgot something. Jordan Rosser (53:58.35) Well, in broad strokes, the idea that the album is called recede and cope and the idea is that there's this protagonist character, we call them T, and that can mean whatever you need it to mean. Basically, they end up in this sort of liminal space between being alive, being dead, however you want to interpret it. And the idea is that they're able to kind of look. Ryan Rayle (54:13.168) Okay. Jordan Rosser (54:24.182) and take stock of humanity and decide, you know, come up with their own views on it. But about halfway through the record, they determine, right, on Nekomata that like, well, it sucks, it's really bad, gotta burn it all down. And it kind of ties into this, you know, philosophical idea of something called solipsism, which is like this idea that like, there's nothing outside, there's no external world, there's only me. Ryan Rayle (54:35.611) It's all fucked, burn it. Jordan Rosser (54:49.678) The only thing I can trust is me and my thoughts and my you know point of view and that's all there is right I can't prove Ryan Rayle (54:56.825) Sir, are you talking about politicians or government leaders or world leaders? Jordan Rosser (54:59.628) well I might. I could, theoretically. But yeah, so just this idea that- Ryan Rayle (55:06.885) Remember it. It's all, it's all suggest, it's all, it's all, like you said, whatever you want it to be. Jordan Rosser (55:10.498) Yeah, you know, it's all implied, you know, if the shoe fits, you lace it up and wear it, that's fine. But yeah, so they decide to kind of recede into themselves as a way of coping, as a mechanism to deal with how they find the external world to be lacking. And the catch of that is that you do that, yeah, go for it. Ryan Rayle (55:17.285) I love it. Ryan Rayle (55:24.155) Ryan Rayle (55:28.421) So, so real quick. So the Necromoto goes into itself because it can only trust itself. Jordan Rosser (55:37.26) destroy the whole world. Everybody outside is evil. Everything out there is bad. There's no good here. Burn it all down. I'm the only one that I can trust. And I think that ties into kind of like the modern, specifically the American, like political, like social landscape of today, in a post COVID society, right? I feel like COVID made everybody more self-oriented and part of that's just a byproduct of being stuck inside with yourself. Ryan Rayle (55:44.047) He is the singularity. Okay. Wow. Ryan Rayle (55:57.018) Yeah. Ryan Rayle (56:03.663) Yeah. Jordan Rosser (56:06.506) And like your only window into the larger world is like your phone and your computer and all you see are just like the most gruesome, horrible, like rage bait things. And I think that really screwed a lot of people up. And it's something that like as a culture, as like a people, we kind of collectively decided we weren't going to talk about it. And we just kept going forward. We just went back to work. We just went back to doing everything the exact same way we were doing it before without really Ryan Rayle (56:18.101) yeah. Jordan Rosser (56:36.152) taking stock of how that may have affected us to have gone through. And so the character, the protagonist kind of sees all this and is like, you know, I've decided that everybody's bad and I only need to look out for myself. And so they completely withdraw from the outside world, go into themselves. And then they find out once you go in there, sometimes inside is not as safe as you think. And there's a lot of things internally that you have to deal with. And dissolve is the... like second track of that side of the record, right? So it's dealing with just like the internal judgment, the internal validation that you're seeking, because like you need the external validation, but if you've completely closed yourself off, it's never going to get there. And the only thing you'll have is just like festering guilt and judgment of people that you used to rely on or used to care about, and now you can't do anything about it. So it's kind of like a suffocating You just want to dissolve, you just want to go away, you know what I mean? And that's the whole idea. And coming to a conclusion eventually that maybe retreating inside's not the best idea. And that's kind of the concept. Jordan Rosser (57:49.07) Sorry, I had to sound at least halfway insane with that, but that's alright. Ryan Rayle (57:55.267) No, man, that's where, that's where change is made is on, is on the edge or the verge of insanity. Cause I mean, if you, I mean, that's the definition, right? You keep doing the same thing, expecting the same result and you keep like, fuck, this isn't working. I'm doing the same thing. Fuck. You know, like that's, and you're, and you're right. I think that a large chunk of America was just like, okay, that's over back to normal. And it's like, No dog. Like, like the world has fundamentally changed because of this and, and due to, like you said, and I agree with you, the, the, the, politics of it all really, really fucked a lot of things up, really fucked a lot of people up, a lot of relationships, myself included. was a lot of, a, a, Jordan Rosser (58:26.03) Maybe we should change something. Ryan Rayle (58:52.845) Enough relationships were affected in my personal life that I took stock of that and was like, wow, like this is, this is different. And I mean, that's, I mean, so music, know, the, whatever it means, what you mean, like I did, like whenever we got told to not go out, like I locked myself in the closet, but I did not stay, you know, a recluse. I reached out to other bands and people that I knew and hosted interviews like, Hey, I'm locked in my fucking closet. What are you doing? Yeah. Like how's it look on your side of the planet? And I talked to people in New York and fucking Canada and like Cali and it was, and it was different everywhere. It was, it was different. And, and, yeah. So it's, it's crazy to think that, you know, the concept of your album is that it's just like, you all suck. Jordan Rosser (59:26.798) Let's talk. Yeah. What's up? Ryan Rayle (59:53.211) burn it and then at the end you're like, well, okay, maybe they didn't all suck, but there was a lesson to be learned, right? So how many, how many, how many songs are we looking at? Because you got to tell this story, right? Jordan Rosser (59:58.259) Yeah. Jordan Rosser (01:00:07.394) Right now, I think one of the original ideas with it, like, you know, it was gonna be an album and then it was gonna be two EPs instead. One was gonna be recede and then the other one was cope. And then we kind of, yeah, exactly, right? And like in the modern, you know, Spotify landscape, it's like having singles and smaller releases is kind of the way to go about it. But like I told you earlier, you know, I love Pink Floyd. I love Nine Inch Nails. I like albums. I like having front to back, like full experiences. Ryan Rayle (01:00:17.717) Ooh, okay, marketing. Jordan Rosser (01:00:35.886) I don't like it whenever albums come out and you pull them up and you're so excited and then you find out that you've already heard eight of the ten tracks. That's such a downer. So I was like, we're going to have eight songs, right? And we're going to have two singles and then after that, it's an album. If you want to listen to the whole album, do it. However you want to do it. Vinyl, CD, Spotify, anyway. But it's meant to be kind of experienced as a front to back narrative. Ryan Rayle (01:00:36.091) Fuck yeah. Ryan Rayle (01:00:43.867) Yeah. Ryan Rayle (01:00:54.651) Dude, hell yeah. Jordan Rosser (01:01:04.558) You can listen to the songs on their own, obviously, but I like listening to it front to back, of course. That's my baby, so I like it exactly as it is. yeah, eight songs, right about half an hour, so it's a nice, quick, easy little story, and we're out of your hair. Ryan Rayle (01:01:22.415) like it. And I love hearing that coming from the band. Like this is, even though you can interpret our music however you like to, whatever it means to you is what it means to you. But for maximum impact, we would like for you to listen to it from front to back. Just give us a try. Like you said, 30 minutes of your life, right? Just if you like Dissolve and you like what we've, you know, like what we're about, just go for it, man. Like obviously not every... Not every song on the album or the EP is going to be the chart topper or the this or the that. That's why you draw us in with shit like dissolve, which congratulations, you did it. But, yeah, like I like, as soon as I heard it, was like, I'd like to hear more. And then now we get to hear the whole thing and now we know, okay, this is what, you know, you guys are all about now. Cool. Tell me I'm ready for, I'm ready for another serving, but Jordan Rosser (01:01:59.352) Thank you. Ryan Rayle (01:02:18.203) you know, spice it up a little bit or maybe actually, are there any thrash elements that have snuck in? Jordan Rosser (01:02:26.69) There is one song, it's the first song, it's the very first song. It's called Burdened and the first like 30 seconds is Pure Thrash. Yep, I made it a point. I was like, we have to have one song just so we can show those darn thrash metal fans that we still got it, we can still do it. And for 30 seconds, right off the rip, starts the record, it rips, it's quick. Ryan Rayle (01:02:34.586) Okay. Ryan Rayle (01:02:38.447) Just Weedleys. Ryan Rayle (01:02:53.505) Awesome. Cool. Cool. Good to know. We'll end on that, man. That's something to look forward to. That's really, I think that's really a solid point to land on is like how we went from that to this little bit of this, some of that. Bada bing, bada boom. Here we go. Jordan Rosser (01:03:04.323) Yeah. Jordan Rosser (01:03:11.404) Yeah, I'll tell you, one last little tidbit. Next single coming out August 15th, it's called Detachment. And then, So that's a little under four weeks away. And then the album comes out three weeks after that single dropped. So on September 5th. Ryan Rayle (01:03:20.987) There we go. August 15th, so I'm look forward to. Ryan Rayle (01:03:31.375) Damn. we'll have dissolve that one. then you will to get, to get the other six, you got to go out and street team at Nugget. Jordan Rosser (01:03:34.466) The whole album. Jordan Rosser (01:03:39.372) Yeah, I gotta go work in the mines for a little bit. Learn it. Ryan Rayle (01:03:43.547) Yeah, go work in the mines. Come out with your little hat, your little lamp hat. Hat with the lamp on it. But Jordan, man, I greatly appreciate your time and your energy, man. Today was a lot of fun. I tend to get, you know, I've done this for, you know, you've obviously done this for 10 years. I've done this for 10 years, but it's still like when you, we had technical difficulties. So, hey, we still, you know, we still got that going for us here at Jordan Rosser (01:03:50.958) Mm-hmm. Jordan Rosser (01:03:56.589) Likewise. Jordan Rosser (01:04:11.192) pulled through. Ryan Rayle (01:04:13.435) Yeah, dude, I was just like, I'm not gonna lose my shit this time. I'm just gonna walk through it. I'm gonna reset everything. And then everything's gonna be great. And then Jordan had like some connectivity issues. We're not sure what happened there, but you know what? We made it. Here we are. 65 minutes of the finest internet that we have to offer today. Jordan, final shout outs, hashtags at. IGs, all that, where can people support you the most and find you for all the latest and greatest? Jordan Rosser (01:04:48.738) Yeah, so if you guys wanna follow us on Spotify, just pull up Interlinked. If you wanna just look up Dissolve, find us that way. We're on Facebook, we're on Instagram at InterlinkedBand. We have the same tag for TikTok, InterlinkedBand. So yeah, follow us on Instagram, follow us on TikTok. If you wanna like us on Facebook, if that's still where you're at, you and your parents, go do it. We're hanging out there. We're into some flame wars, it'll be great. Follow us on Spotify. Apple Music, all that good stuff. Jordan Rosser (01:05:25.752) Sorry. Jordan Rosser (01:05:30.198) You know, Zuck appreciates it and anyone's still going there, so... Ryan Rayle (01:05:33.115) Bro, where's Tom? I need, I need Tom. Dude, if that's where you and your parents hang out. Jordan Rosser (01:05:37.997) Yeah Jordan Rosser (01:05:41.934) Well, you can like share the post to the messenger, right? Send them that way. Spread the word. Ryan Rayle (01:05:49.857) my God. That's it, man. That's the episode. Jordan Rosser (01:05:54.606) Thanks for having me. No, for real. I really appreciate your time. It's been good. Ryan Rayle (01:05:58.491) That's the episode. God. I don't know why I'm laughing at this so much. Ryan Rayle (01:06:12.707) It's just because it's so true. It's so true. If this is where your parents, my God. Okay. Okay. Be professional. Be professional. I'm sorry. my God. You got that's that's that's where it says it's your aunt and it's your aunts and uncles. No one, no one wants to admit that that's their parents on Facebook getting shouted at left and right, but they'll call out there. Like, my God, my uncle, my uncle was on the fucking. Jordan Rosser (01:06:13.858) Yeah. Jordan Rosser (01:06:24.152) your uncles and stuff too, older, older siblings. Jordan Rosser (01:06:36.17) Yeah. Ryan Rayle (01:06:41.045) On one again, he's he, he shared some like Robert Kennedy jr. Shit or something. my God. Okay. Jordan Rosser (01:06:46.094) sharing all the AI stuff. It's great. and find us at interlinkedband.com. We have merch and all that stuff there too. Ryan Rayle (01:06:54.981) There we go. Ryan Rayle (01:06:58.939) Okay. Sir, thank you very much. I've had an excellent time. Just stick around for a little bit so this thing can wrap up doing whatever it's doing. I'm gonna go join my parents on Facebook after this. And... Jordan Rosser (01:07:04.013) Likewise. Jordan Rosser (01:07:10.158) That's good, man. Ha ha ha ha ha! Ryan Rayle (01:07:18.873) August 15th, they drop another single. September 3rd, correct? Or September 5th, my apologies, September 5th, the concept album comes out. Go give them a like, follow, do all the fun shit. Catch them at a show. Do you guys have any shows? I don't want to continue this too much longer, but any shows in? Okay. Jordan Rosser (01:07:19.064) Mm. Jordan Rosser (01:07:24.952) Fifth. Jordan Rosser (01:07:40.066) Yeah, no, nothing on the docket yet. But we're working on it, so stay tuned. Ryan Rayle (01:07:46.331) All right. Well, like I said, I appreciate your time, Jordan. Uh, thank you for, yeah, man. Uh, the music's great. I like it. Ones and zeros. I'm an easy catch. Uh, I, I feel like the, the, the, the era in which we discussed today, shout out my boy Harambe. Um, never forget. We, we, that was a good time in life. That was a real good time in life. The, the, obviously there was things in the world that needed to be fixed, but like, Jordan Rosser (01:07:49.902) appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me. Jordan Rosser (01:08:05.614) Never forget. Ryan Rayle (01:08:16.155) 15 to 19 son, like it was on fire. So in an effort to bring those memories back, because like, just like mom jeans, this needs to come back too. So we're going to try and build, build our local community here all the way out to Oklahoma city and do not message Jordan about anything tax related. Don't do that. He cannot give you advice legally. That's I. Jordan Rosser (01:08:39.64) cannot give you advice, legally. Ryan Rayle (01:08:45.113) That's why I'm trying to tell people like he can't do it. So, anyway, Jordan, thank you very much. I enjoyed your time here. Look forward to speaking to you. Obviously. I want some, I want some, I want some more of the, I want some of those riffs. I'm looking forward to just some, straight up, just like bottom string, fucking waving all over the place. Woo, man. All right. Well, anyway, thank you very much. Ladies. obviously. Jordan Rosser (01:08:56.25) Tony Jordan Rosser (01:09:05.378) Yeah, we got him man. Just stick around. Ryan Rayle (01:09:13.231) My ads are just ATX Metal Podcasts anywhere. I'm in the Instagram, TikTok era these days. I'm not on Facebook with my parents. So, we'll just, we'll leave it there. Later guys. Woo, God damn it. Jordan Rosser (01:09:23.181) Yeah