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Sex addict preacher's son leaves bloody death trail at Atlanta massage parlors; 8 dead · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Eight dad at three separate so called massage parlors. Was
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Speaker 1: it a hate crime? We need to lobbery here? That
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Speaker 1: guy this way? I need to put a policy. No,
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Speaker 1: it's a robbery there. Yeah, okay, what is this a
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Speaker 1: house department? Our business? Of course? Spile, I can't hear you,
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Speaker 1: cool spa. Okay, all right, you have a descrip for while?
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Speaker 1: PRETI O? Holy? Do you have a description of their male? A?
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Speaker 1: We need a high do I note this way? Precy?
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Speaker 1: Is it a male or female? They have a potton
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Speaker 1: viceline live built this way? They have a god? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: by Shane, I have a bible clocked this way? Where
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Speaker 1: is heat in the building? M h, this is a
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Speaker 1: poor suppose I know where's the person who is robbing
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Speaker 1: the spot? Where is he right now? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I'm hiding, I know. Okay, did you have a description
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Speaker 1: of him? Did you see him? Oh? Yeahs A like guy,
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Speaker 1: A white male. What is he wearing? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty come again, um just FYI uh? Talking more
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Speaker 1: and more loudly does not help anyone. And here you've
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Speaker 1: got this poor woman hiding and one of these massage
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Speaker 1: parlors hiding in a closet or a cabinet. She's whispering
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Speaker 1: and the not one operator is asking, you know what
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Speaker 1: the par is wearing. You know, one more word could
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Speaker 1: have alerted the to her location and she'd end up
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Speaker 1: dead too. That is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of that nine on one call.
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Speaker 1: Help me exactly what happened to me? I don't know yet.
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Speaker 1: So I just got a call from one of my
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Speaker 1: friends and they say some guys can end you know
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Speaker 1: of the v tars of dunschat and you know, the
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Speaker 1: ladies packed out like sve the door. Everybody cares for
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Speaker 1: everybody hiding. So I don't know what's going on exactly,
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Speaker 1: but I need the ambulance or something over there and
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Speaker 1: the occasion. Please. The lady is not passed out. She's dead,
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Speaker 1: one of eight dead after a violent, bloody rampage, revenge massacre.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to the nine on one call. Um, Um,
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Speaker 1: some guys came in and sister done. So everybody hurts
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Speaker 1: as don't shot, and um, some lady start hurts at stake.
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Speaker 1: You know, everybody scared, so they're hiding and not behind.
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Speaker 1: But the ladies passed out again she's not passed out,
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Speaker 1: She's dead with me an all star panel to try
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Speaker 1: to apply logic to an illogical massacre. Twenty seven years
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Speaker 1: Metro Major Case joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction
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Speaker 1: SWAT as well now Lawyer James shell Nutt at Shalnut
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Speaker 1: Law Firm dot com. Psychoana was joining us from Beverly Hills,
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Speaker 1: star of the new Netflix series Bling Empire at Doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, former FBI star
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Speaker 1: of a Facebook TV show Curs of aaka Core. You
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Speaker 1: can find him at Bobby Chicone at FBI retired dot com.
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Speaker 1: Bobby Chicone join US. Deputy medical examiner from Travis County.
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Speaker 1: That's Austin, Texas, Doctor Kendall Crowns. But first to Crime
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Speaker 1: Online dot com. Investigative reporter or host of Crime and
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Speaker 1: Scandal true crime podcast, Levi Page Levi take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friend Mark Strassman at CBS. This rampage began
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Speaker 1: here Young's Asian massage in Cherokee County, Georgia. A gunman
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Speaker 1: with a nine millimeter shot four people dead, two of
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Speaker 1: them Asian women. Fifty two minutes later, another nine one
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Speaker 1: one call they have yeah, more gunshots thirty miles south
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta. The gold Spot advertises twenty four to seven
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Speaker 1: massages and police say operates legally. Three more Asian women
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Speaker 1: were murdered here. It's not really making any sense how
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Speaker 1: this happens that the massage spat responding police then got
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Speaker 1: this call nice out after hearing hot fire. Yet another shooting.
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Speaker 1: A third homicide scene right across the street inside the
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Speaker 1: Aromatherapy spa. The final victim was another Asian woman. How
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Speaker 1: were these particular massage parlors targeted? Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut sixteen. This is Jackie Howard at crime online
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Speaker 1: dot com. USA Today reports Young's Asian Massage Parlor, Gold Spa,
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Speaker 1: and Aromatherapy are all three listed on rubmaps dotch. That's
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Speaker 1: an erotic review site that allows users to search for
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Speaker 1: and review illicit massage parlors. The site is very popular
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Speaker 1: and it's a site where buyers who call themselves hobbyists
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Speaker 1: or mongers go to find sex. That's according to a study. Bipolarists,
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Speaker 1: a nonprofit group that operates the National Human Trafficking Hotline.
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Speaker 1: All three spas that were attacked, we're on something called
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Speaker 1: rubmaps dotch What is it? An erotic view site allowing
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Speaker 1: users to search and review elicit massage parlors. Now you
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Speaker 1: heard that police say all these massage parlors were functioning legally.
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Speaker 1: Well not according to this website. A lot more to
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Speaker 1: find out. Let's bring in the all star panel back
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Speaker 1: to you, Leavipage Climb online dot com investigative reporter. How
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Speaker 1: did the whole thing start? So, Nancy, there are three
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Speaker 1: massage parlors that were targeted, Young's Asian Massage, Bold Spa
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Speaker 1: and Aroma Therapy. This started Tuesday around five pm at
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Speaker 1: Young's Asian Massage and Acworth, Georgia in Cherokee County, Georgia.
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Speaker 1: And that's where four people were gunned down there at
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Speaker 1: that spa. And there was another person at thirty year
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Speaker 1: old that was walking past the parlor to a money
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Speaker 1: exchange business who was shot. He was injured but lived
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Speaker 1: hanging on by a read. Yes, we are hearing a
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Speaker 1: lot about the two Asian women gunned down dead at
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Speaker 1: the first spa. There were two Asian women, but there's
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Speaker 1: also a white woman and a white man at Young's
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Speaker 1: Asian Massage and a Hispanic man was coming out of
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Speaker 1: one of the other businesses not there in the spot
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Speaker 1: that ended up getting gunned down as well. Guys, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eight. This is Joe Ripley
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Speaker 1: at eleven Alive and Gabby's boutique nextdoor. That's where I
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Speaker 1: spoke with one of the store's owners, read a Brone.
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Speaker 1: She told me, shere what sounded like a loud thump yesterday,
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Speaker 1: telling me she's feeling sad and shaken up today. She
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Speaker 1: knew the victims as well, seeing the owner of the
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Speaker 1: massage Poltor, was killed and other victims shot at her store.
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Speaker 1: Barron and her husband showed me exactly where a bullet
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Speaker 1: tore through their store wall, and the owners say surveillance
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Speaker 1: foot had showed the suspected gunman sitting outside in his
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Speaker 1: vehicle for about an hour before the shooting started. What
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Speaker 1: if it's like I think, oil something happened, then maybe
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Speaker 1: they drop something very very hard, But I don't know
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Speaker 1: what's a wounded. The white male and white female were
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Speaker 1: a married couple that were there getting a couple's massage.
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Speaker 1: The other women I believe worked there that was a
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Speaker 1: young's Asian massage, and I find it very interesting to you.
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Speaker 1: James Shellnutt, former law enforcement twenty seven years in this jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: that the guy sat out in his vehicle for over
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Speaker 1: an hour, and if you look at the video surveillance
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Speaker 1: which I have, he's not even trying to cover his face.
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Speaker 1: He did have on a hoodie, but he didn't even
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Speaker 1: try to conceal his identity. No, I mean, and this
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Speaker 1: is something that he had planned out. This is not
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Speaker 1: something that he woke up one morning said, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go and attack these massage callers and
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Speaker 1: kill as many people as I can. This is something
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Speaker 1: that had gone on and he had resolved more than
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Speaker 1: likely that he was either going to be captured or killed,
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Speaker 1: and it didn't matter to him. Based off the state
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Speaker 1: of Monday was probably here Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: for those of you just joining us, A violent, deadly
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Speaker 1: rampage rips through the Atlantic community when a young twenty
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Speaker 1: one year old man now identified as Robert Aaron Long
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Speaker 1: attacks not one, not two, but three massage parlors clearly
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Speaker 1: identifying Asian sex workers. What else do we know? Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twelve. This is Jackie Howard
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Speaker 1: Crime Online twenty one year old Robert Long is initially
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Speaker 1: identified through surveillance camera footage from one of the crime scenes.
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Speaker 1: Footage from area businesses shows the suspected gunman outside Young's
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Speaker 1: Asian massage. Longs as you've is seen entering the Spots
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Speaker 1: Strip Mall parking lot around four fifty pm. The first
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Speaker 1: nine one one call comes in around five pm. Police
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Speaker 1: posted images of Long and his vehicle. Soon after. Long's
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Speaker 1: parents reached out to police, identifying their son that tipped
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Speaker 1: help police tracklong cell phone. After the shooting, the suspected
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Speaker 1: gunman head itself to Florida down Interstate seventy five. Around
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Speaker 1: eight pm, the Crisp County Sheriff got word that a
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Speaker 1: murder suspect out of North Georgia was getting close to
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Speaker 1: entering the county. Just thirty minutes later, Georgia State Patrol
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Speaker 1: troopers performed a maneuver on Long's SUV that caused it
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Speaker 1: to spin out of control. Mag do you shalnot? What
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Speaker 1: maneuver do you think they used? Do you think they
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Speaker 1: threw down sticks? What do you think they did? No?
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Speaker 1: A pit maneuver is a train technique that's trained by
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Speaker 1: law enforcement to law enforcement offers to disable a vehicle
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Speaker 1: by using the patrol vehicle. And what that means is
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Speaker 1: that you come alongside the vele that you're pursuing, the
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Speaker 1: front right quarter panel or front left quarter panel meets
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Speaker 1: the back quarter panel of their car. It pushes over
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Speaker 1: and causes the car to go into a spin and
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Speaker 1: causes the driver to lose control and typically either hit
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Speaker 1: something on the roadway or slide off the roadway, causing
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Speaker 1: the pursuit to come to an end most of the time.
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Speaker 1: Could you repeat that in Slimmy Go Ahead? Yes. A
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Speaker 1: pit maneuver is a trained law enforcement technique where a
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Speaker 1: law enforcement officer uses his or her vehicle to spin
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Speaker 1: out the vehicle that they're pursuing. You said something about
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Speaker 1: hitting the front right fender. I believe. Yeah. So the
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Speaker 1: officers use either the front right or front left quarter
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Speaker 1: panel of their car to hit the rear quarter panel
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Speaker 1: of the car that they're pursuing, and that causes the
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Speaker 1: car to break traction and to spin out of control.
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Speaker 1: So they basically ram the car and one of the
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Speaker 1: bat rear fenders and cause the car to spin out.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened here. Shell Nutt. As a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, we now believe this defendant was on his
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Speaker 1: way I think down either seventy five or eighty five,
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Speaker 1: likely seventy five seventy five to Florida to attack more
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Speaker 1: massage parlors. That's what they know. The interstate between Atlanta
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Speaker 1: and Valdosta and onto Florida dotted with truck stop massage parlors,
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Speaker 1: as we all know. But very very curious to Bobby
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Speaker 1: Chico and former FBI star favsbook TV show cursor Baca Corps, Bobby,
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Speaker 1: the guy didn't even try to hide his face. He
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Speaker 1: was brazen. What does that tell you, Well, it tells
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Speaker 1: me that he's been thinking about this for a while,
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Speaker 1: that he had his plan in place. You know, he
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Speaker 1: thought through it. He wasn't trying to get away with it.
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Speaker 1: He knew that, like we said Earl, it was either
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Speaker 1: going to end in his own depth, by cop or
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Speaker 1: by his capture. So I think he just he resolved
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Speaker 1: himself that this was the day he was going to
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Speaker 1: do this. I don't know how long in advance he
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Speaker 1: had been planning it, but it seemed he had a
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Speaker 1: certain level of resolve that he was sitting there and waiting.
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Speaker 1: Now he could have been. You know, he frequented some
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Speaker 1: of these places, we think, so, you know, he could
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Speaker 1: have been waiting for a lull in the amount of people.
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Speaker 1: He could have waited for a particular person that he
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Speaker 1: knew work there to go in. We don't know that
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Speaker 1: particular part yet, um. But it does indicate a certain
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Speaker 1: level of resolve that he's sitting there, as you said,
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Speaker 1: not trying to hide himself, not trying to get away
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Speaker 1: with anything. He knows that his cars in plane view
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Speaker 1: of video cameras. He's not trying to cover his face,
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Speaker 1: although he had a hoodie on. Um. So, so all
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Speaker 1: of these things indicate that certainly he knew what he
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Speaker 1: was going to do, he planned it, he took the
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Speaker 1: steps to carry it out, and that's what we see.
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Speaker 1: And fortunate law enforcement got to him, you know, in
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Speaker 1: the middle of this mass or you know, the BodyCount
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Speaker 1: could have been much higher. You know. It's when we
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Speaker 1: were talking earlier with shel Nut about the pit maneuver.
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of ways that trey law enforcement
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Speaker 1: stop a fleeing vehicle. They can throw down sticks in
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Speaker 1: front of the vehicle that then ripped the tires as
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Speaker 1: the vehicle goes over Nobody really knew where this guy
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Speaker 1: was headed or what he intended to do. But law
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Speaker 1: enforcement in Crisp County, I believe it was shell Nutt
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Speaker 1: did the pit and they stopped this guy. And there's
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Speaker 1: no telling how many lives they say, because this guy
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Speaker 1: says he was going to Florida to shoot even more
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Speaker 1: sex workers. But there are a lot of massage parlors
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Speaker 1: along the way. Have you ever driven that very lonely
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Speaker 1: stretch of highway. There are a lot of massage parlors
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Speaker 1: and adult novelty stores. Many times, shall Nut, when I'd
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Speaker 1: have the twins in the car and we'd be going
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Speaker 1: south to Florida, I'd distract them so they wouldn't see
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Speaker 1: the giant billboards about adult novelties. I was not ready
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Speaker 1: to explain what our adult novelties to a six year
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Speaker 1: old sow. You know. Oh, look over there is that
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Speaker 1: batman in this guy, same thing with all the massage parlors,
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Speaker 1: so he may not have made it to Florida. There's
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Speaker 1: so many to pick from, which goes back to a
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Speaker 1: theory of human trafficking. But the Crisp County shaffs Or
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Speaker 1: law enforcement had it right. Shall Nut, Oh they did,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, he could have continued this
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Speaker 1: killing spree for a very long time. We're very fortunate
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Speaker 1: there weren't a number of other victims in this situation.
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Speaker 1: We're very fortunate that even in the car chase itself,
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Speaker 1: that someone else wasn't injured. To kill some innocent person
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Speaker 1: going down the interstate and to take this guy out
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Speaker 1: by using a pit maneuver and to forces vehicle off
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Speaker 1: the roadway was exactly the right decision to Chris County
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Speaker 1: Sheriff and Georgia State Control did a great job and
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Speaker 1: ended this before we had more innocent victims. They really did.
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Speaker 1: And a little known fact about using a pit you
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Speaker 1: can lose your own life trying to stop another speeding
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Speaker 1: vehicle hell bent on more destruction down the interstate because
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Speaker 1: that person they don't care if they live or die,
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Speaker 1: and they'll take you straight to hell with him if
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Speaker 1: you try to stop their car. So I got my
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Speaker 1: hats off to the Chris County law enforcement that performed
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Speaker 1: the pit and got this guy. Who is this guy?
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Speaker 1: We know his own family helped catch him. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Mark Strassman's CBS Long's family helped catch him
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Speaker 1: They recognized him in this surveillance photo posted on social
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Speaker 1: media and alerted deputies, who arrested him one hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty miles south of Atlanta. When police finally arrested Long,
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Speaker 1: he was heading to Florida and he told detectives when
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Speaker 1: he got there he was planning more shootings. You know,
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Speaker 1: to you, doctor Mathidy Marshall, this guy is brazen. He's
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Speaker 1: only caught by a pit maneuver, risking law enforcement life
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Speaker 1: to stop him, and he's saying, hey, I wasn't done yet.
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Speaker 1: Eight dead people were not enough for me. I wanted
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Speaker 1: to kill more people. And he admits that to police.
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Speaker 1: He still doesn't get what he did was wrong, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't care that what he did was wrong. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't care if he's going to go to jail or
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Speaker 1: even if he dies himself. As one of the panelists
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Speaker 1: pointed out, he just wanted to kill. And remember, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: whether it's the mass murderer or the serial killer, you know,
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Speaker 1: they always choose the most vulnerable victims in society. They
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Speaker 1: don't go after the president of the United States, of
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Speaker 1: the school principle, or you know, peopled the banker, the
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Speaker 1: local banker, think go after sex workers, people who have
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Speaker 1: been separated from their families, who are working on low
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Speaker 1: or minimum wages or tips, people who are disenfranchised, women
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Speaker 1: who are actually ashamed as sometimes of the work that
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Speaker 1: they are doing, or have been sex trafficked so they
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Speaker 1: do not have any source of support in their life.
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Speaker 1: Who did he pick this particular population. It's easy for
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Speaker 1: him to say he's a sex addict and this is
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Speaker 1: why he went and did it. I think that's just
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Speaker 1: a rationalization. It's a little bit like somebody going into
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Speaker 1: a school and shooting up a bunch of kindergarteners. They're
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Speaker 1: vulnerable too, so he didn't care. He wanted to take
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Speaker 1: out as many people as possible in as small an
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Speaker 1: area as possible. Clime Stories with Nancy Grace. The guys
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Speaker 1: were talking about this horrible mask car that has gone
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Speaker 1: down in the Atlanta area. Bethany, I'm so mad, I
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Speaker 1: swear I could chew a nail in half. You think
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Speaker 1: these women want to work as a sex worker and
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Speaker 1: a massage parler. They might smile in your face because
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Speaker 1: they want tips. Many of them are here as sex
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Speaker 1: traffic victims. They don't have a passport, They don't have
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Speaker 1: a driver's license. They got nothing, and then they've got
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Speaker 1: to have sex acts and the back of some CD
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Speaker 1: massage parlor to make a living. They can't really speak
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Speaker 1: the language, they're uneducated, they're separated from their family. They've
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Speaker 1: been lied to to come to this country most likely,
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Speaker 1: and they are the most along with children, are some
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Speaker 1: of the most disadvantage people in our society. And I
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Speaker 1: will never get over as long as I live, Bethany,
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Speaker 1: and I've told a hundred juries this. The powerful, those
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Speaker 1: more cunning than others, those with no conviction, no morals,
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Speaker 1: no empathy, will forever take advantage of the week. And
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Speaker 1: that is what we're seeing here. A lot has been
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Speaker 1: made about this guy being so religious, and his dad
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Speaker 1: was a youth pastor and his mom worked at the
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Speaker 1: church organizing events. I don't give a flying fig about that.
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Speaker 1: What I care about it is what he did to
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Speaker 1: these women and plan to do more. What did that
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Speaker 1: make you feel, like, Bethany, the big guy coming in
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Speaker 1: and making the petite little lady hide in the cabinet,
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Speaker 1: which spring to I'm not WoT. It was a big
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Speaker 1: say in the New York Times, a big exposa in
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Speaker 1: the New York Times about sex workers and these massage partners.
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Speaker 1: In a particular, one person whose whole family was starving
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Speaker 1: in Thailand, she married a white guy, came over, he
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Speaker 1: became disabled. She went to work in the sex parlor
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Speaker 1: because at this point she had like eight family members
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Speaker 1: relying on her. Eventually her husband died. She was all
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Speaker 1: alone with no income, and the police came after her
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Speaker 1: to her being a sex worker, and she suicide. That
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Speaker 1: she killed herself because she had so much shame over
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Speaker 1: being a sex worker. And it was basically she suicided
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Speaker 1: by jumping out of a six story window. And because
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Speaker 1: she had endured years of abuse at the hands of
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Speaker 1: her patrons. She did not want to be a sex worker,
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Speaker 1: but it was the only way to support her family
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Speaker 1: in the home country. Is that it was a devastating piece.
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Speaker 1: And these are that's the truth of these women. And
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Speaker 1: it happens every day when you ride by these massage parlors.
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Speaker 1: What do you think's going on in there? It's not
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Speaker 1: just sex. Some woman is being taken advantage of. And
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Speaker 1: it's so easy for us to say, oh, well, that's
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Speaker 1: what she wants. It's not like that. You think that's
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Speaker 1: what they want. I don't know what world you're living
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Speaker 1: in if that's what you think. I mean, Bobby Chicone,
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Speaker 1: former FBI, I've seen it all. I've been in massage, parlors,
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Speaker 1: strip joints, whorehouses, you name it, out on the street
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Speaker 1: where hookers are are trying to pick up people on
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Speaker 1: the street, None of them that I have ever met.
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Speaker 1: Some of them may have bravado and you know, toss
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Speaker 1: it off. That's not what they want. They don't know
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Speaker 1: of another way to make a living. Yeah, it's a
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Speaker 1: crime and it should be a crime. Man. I feel
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Speaker 1: so bad for them, and now this Chicon, Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: I would, I would say that they're not even making
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Speaker 1: a living there. Most of them money is going to
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Speaker 1: the trafficker, who's They often live together in these huddled,
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Speaker 1: small places. Um. You know, there is the rare occasion
23:07
Speaker 1: when they will have a family or something like that,
23:09
Speaker 1: but many times, um, they're living in squalid conditions and
23:13
Speaker 1: the money they're making, you know, overwhelming majority that moneymaking
23:16
Speaker 1: is not going to them. Um. You know, and working
23:20
Speaker 1: trafficking cases. You can see it in their eyes when
23:21
Speaker 1: you go into these places, the fear, the intimidation, Um,
23:26
Speaker 1: you know, and and it's a it's it's a horrific thing.
23:28
Speaker 1: And then these these websites like you mentioned in your
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Speaker 1: story earlier, Um, where these guys get on there and
23:34
Speaker 1: they tell you which ones to go to and which
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Speaker 1: which women to see, they name them by name, and
23:39
Speaker 1: which acts you can negotiate. I mean, it's it's horrific
23:42
Speaker 1: and it's supporting you know, this this trafficking industry that
23:45
Speaker 1: that's going on, and you know, these are the horrific consequences,
23:49
Speaker 1: you know, from what I understand that to you like leavipage,
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Speaker 1: clime online dot com invest to get every reporter. One
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Speaker 1: of his roommates stated that he had been in treatment
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Speaker 1: for sex addiction and then he was angry with himself
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Speaker 1: because he relapsed at a massage parlor. What if anything
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Speaker 1: do you know about that? That is true, Nancy? And
24:09
Speaker 1: when police apprehended him, they said that he told him
24:13
Speaker 1: long the shooter that he targeted the sex parlors because
24:18
Speaker 1: he saw them as a temptation and that he wanted
24:21
Speaker 1: to take the temptation away. You know, I will never understand,
24:26
Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, why killing the women was a way to
24:31
Speaker 1: take the temptation away and never turning the gun on
24:36
Speaker 1: himself because he his mind is so valuable, or just stopping.
24:42
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's hard to stop any addiction
24:45
Speaker 1: cold turkey, but you know what it can be done.
24:48
Speaker 1: You know, my dad started smoking when he was eleven
24:52
Speaker 1: eleven years old, and he smoked until my mother and
24:58
Speaker 1: my dad had me was some any long difficulties, He
25:03
Speaker 1: put out a cigarette and that was it. He didn't
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Speaker 1: have money for a rehab or Nick Corrette or anything
25:10
Speaker 1: like that. He quit. He did it, And I get it.
25:15
Speaker 1: It's hard to stop an addiction, but to go on
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Speaker 1: a shooting rampage. Don't start with me, Bethany Marshall about
25:23
Speaker 1: this guy's insane, don't Nancy what It seems a little
25:28
Speaker 1: like the in cells where they have their own psychological difficulties.
25:34
Speaker 1: They can't get women, they don't know how to operate
25:36
Speaker 1: normally in relationships, but they hate the women they cannot have.
25:41
Speaker 1: Although I don't think that quite fits this pattern either.
25:45
Speaker 1: I think there's another story here, Nancy. I would imagine
25:48
Speaker 1: there's either a woman that he started to become attracted
25:51
Speaker 1: to and she had to kick on other clients, or
25:56
Speaker 1: they maybe set limits if he was a sex addict.
25:59
Speaker 1: Maybe he is going there too often, not paying a prostitute,
26:05
Speaker 1: setting a women about how many times a customer could
26:08
Speaker 1: come back. So that's new to me. Well, but but
26:11
Speaker 1: let's think about how okay. So I do treat sex
26:13
Speaker 1: addiction and my Beverly Hills practice, and often when my
26:17
Speaker 1: patients talk about going to massage parlors, I feel so
26:21
Speaker 1: sorry for the women. I'm like, Oh, dear God in heaven,
26:24
Speaker 1: what are these women going through? Because these men often
26:27
Speaker 1: notoriously have no idea about what's going on in the
26:31
Speaker 1: mind of other people. They only care about their own
26:34
Speaker 1: sex drive, even in their most intimate interpersonal relationships. They
26:38
Speaker 1: have no theory about the emotions and the feelings of
26:42
Speaker 1: their wives and their girlfriends. They're just always targeting something,
26:46
Speaker 1: so somebody. So, imagine you're the owner of a sex
26:49
Speaker 1: parlor and some young guy is coming in. Imagine your
26:54
Speaker 1: sex workers. Well, I mapped an abuse towards your sex workers.
26:59
Speaker 1: Imagine and of course Bethany catch this. His sex addiction
27:05
Speaker 1: was no secret. Take a listen again to Urfred Jackie
27:08
Speaker 1: Howard at crime online dot Com. In his confession to police,
27:11
Speaker 1: Long says he has issues with sexual addiction and may
27:15
Speaker 1: have quote frequented some of these places in the past.
27:18
Speaker 1: CNN reports that his addiction was also appointed friction with
27:21
Speaker 1: his family. According to a law enforcement source, the suspect
27:25
Speaker 1: said he was recently kicked out of the house by
27:27
Speaker 1: his family because of his addiction, which included frequently spending
27:31
Speaker 1: hours on end watching pornography online. And incident report from
27:36
Speaker 1: the Cherokee County Sheriff's off estates that an anonymous caller
27:39
Speaker 1: told dispatch the suspect was emotional after being kicked out.
27:45
Speaker 1: He's emotional because mommy and Daddy kicked him out after
27:50
Speaker 1: he sits in his bedroom all day long watching porn.
27:55
Speaker 1: What do you think was going to happen? Crime Stories
28:08
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, eight people are dead because of this.
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Speaker 1: One guy, take a listen to this. A former patient
28:21
Speaker 1: of Maverick Recovery, a rehab facility in Roswell, Georgia, has
28:25
Speaker 1: come forward saying he was housemates with Long. CNN reports
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Speaker 1: Tyler Bayliss as saying Long was being treated for sex
28:32
Speaker 1: addiction and that it tortured him. Bayliss says Long is
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Speaker 1: a deeply religious person and was distraught about his sex addiction,
28:39
Speaker 1: especially after Long admitted that he had relapsed and gone
28:42
Speaker 1: to a massage parlor explicitly to engage in sex. Let
28:46
Speaker 1: me understand this. So he was kicked out, had been
28:52
Speaker 1: being treated for sex addiction, deeply religious, distraught, and he
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Speaker 1: relapsed at one of these massage parlors. Okay, I'm getting
29:05
Speaker 1: the picture of exactly what's going on. I want to
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Speaker 1: go now to special guests joining US doctor Kendall Crown's
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Speaker 1: Deputy Medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas. The fear, first of all,
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Speaker 1: that these victims felt as they heard gunshots ringing out,
29:21
Speaker 1: first in Cherokee County at the first spot Young's Asian massage,
29:28
Speaker 1: then thirty minutes south, you know, prior to cleaning the
29:30
Speaker 1: shadow of the Fulton County Courthouse. Actually my old neighborhood
29:35
Speaker 1: where I lived when I was prosecuting, the midtown Cheshire
29:38
Speaker 1: Bridge area where he attacked two more massage parlors. So
29:43
Speaker 1: these women had to hear the gunshots and they are
29:48
Speaker 1: probably running trying to hide, and there were gunned down
29:52
Speaker 1: like animals. What would they have physically felt? How long
29:58
Speaker 1: would it have taken them to laid out? I'm just
30:01
Speaker 1: imagining the one lady on nine on one that the
30:05
Speaker 1: caller said had passed out. She was dead and she
30:10
Speaker 1: obviously knew what was happening to her. I can't imagine that.
30:14
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that feeling, doctor Crowns. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to imagine it. How long would she have lain there
30:20
Speaker 1: bleeding out because of this guy? It would have been
30:23
Speaker 1: down where she got shot. But on average, if it's
30:28
Speaker 1: a major blood vessel, and it can take several several
30:32
Speaker 1: minutes to bleed out. So you're going to be laying
30:35
Speaker 1: there basically slowly falling asleep while you hear the rampaging
30:41
Speaker 1: going on around you, just thinking about what you just said,
30:47
Speaker 1: hearing the screams, the gunshots, attacking one store, then crossing
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Speaker 1: the street on one Parliament and crossing the street to another.
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Speaker 1: What pain would they have felt, doctor crown And also,
31:04
Speaker 1: if it was not a major ordery, it would have
31:07
Speaker 1: taken them longer to die, more suffering. Yeah, that's correct.
31:12
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's not a major artery or not
31:15
Speaker 1: like your brain stem or your heart, it's going to
31:18
Speaker 1: take a while for you to die. And of course
31:20
Speaker 1: the pain inflicted is the injury to the skin is
31:25
Speaker 1: where the majority of the pain is felt, but it
31:27
Speaker 1: is a significant amount of pain, so I don't think
31:31
Speaker 1: it would be pleasant at all. Of course. You know,
31:34
Speaker 1: I've often heard that people quote go into shock when
31:38
Speaker 1: they're shot. Is that even possible? I mean, I'm hoping
31:42
Speaker 1: it's possible. That I don't really put much stock into
31:45
Speaker 1: that if they can't feel what's happening to them, well, again,
31:48
Speaker 1: it's going to be dependent on where you're shot at.
31:51
Speaker 1: But you feel the pain, the sensation, the blood loss.
31:55
Speaker 1: Do you go into shock instantly maybe, depending on where
31:59
Speaker 1: you're hit, But again, the shock is a process of
32:02
Speaker 1: the blood loss and your body reacting to it. It
32:05
Speaker 1: isn't something that happens instantaneously, but it is more it
32:09
Speaker 1: takes more time for you to go into shock. So
32:12
Speaker 1: for most people, again, they're going to be laying there
32:16
Speaker 1: slowly bleeding out, going into shock and for several minutes.
32:21
Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our cut seven. This is
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Speaker 1: a Brittany clean pinner at eleven Alive. Police saying they
32:30
Speaker 1: quickly identified Robert Long as the suspect after they put
32:33
Speaker 1: out surveillance photos of the gunmen and Long's family contact
32:37
Speaker 1: of them. Law enforcement said that they then used Long's
32:40
Speaker 1: phone to track him down and arrest him in Chris
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Speaker 1: County last night. Today, he's being held at the Cherokee
32:46
Speaker 1: County Detention Center, Investigators telling NBC Long purchased the gun
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Speaker 1: legally yesterday in Georgia. In a press conference today, the
32:54
Speaker 1: Cherokee County Sheriff said Long has admitted to the crimes
32:57
Speaker 1: and told investigators he's a sex at He apparently has
33:01
Speaker 1: an issue what he considers a sex addiction and sees
33:05
Speaker 1: these locations as something that allows him to go to
33:11
Speaker 1: these places in a some temptation for him that he
33:13
Speaker 1: wanted to eliminate. Law enforcement also saying Long told them
33:16
Speaker 1: he was headed to Florida to commit similar crimes when
33:19
Speaker 1: he was arrested. So, Bethany, you're the shrink. All of
33:26
Speaker 1: these women, all these massage parlors, in his mind, were
33:31
Speaker 1: just in his orbit. He's the son, so he can
33:36
Speaker 1: swat down all of them in order to help himself
33:40
Speaker 1: get rid of his sex addiction. They're nothing to him. Dancy.
33:44
Speaker 1: It's like an alcoholic going into a bar and shoot
33:47
Speaker 1: to the bar tender. It really doesn't make sense, right.
33:50
Speaker 1: It only makes sense if you think about an extremely
33:54
Speaker 1: disturbed person who externalizes all of the responsibility for his action.
34:00
Speaker 1: You know, often to really disturbed people have the mindset
34:04
Speaker 1: of the infant or the child. So think of the
34:06
Speaker 1: child who falls down, skins his knee, and then sort
34:10
Speaker 1: of looks around him as if something happened to him
34:13
Speaker 1: and then starts to cry, not as if he had
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Speaker 1: poor balance and fell. So adults who are really disturbed,
34:20
Speaker 1: they externalize blame. They don't own their actions. But Nancy,
34:25
Speaker 1: there's something more to the story. The hours watching porn,
34:29
Speaker 1: masturbating the idea that he puts so much energy into this.
34:36
Speaker 1: He may have either been a methodict, because that's notorious
34:41
Speaker 1: with meth addiction or stimulant addiction that people will spend
34:45
Speaker 1: hours looking at porn, or what we call dual diagnosis,
34:49
Speaker 1: meaning there was a sex addiction but some other underlying
34:52
Speaker 1: psychiatric disorder like bipolar, because bipolar does cause hypersexuality. So,
34:58
Speaker 1: you know, just to say he's rubbing out the focus
35:03
Speaker 1: of his addiction really simplifies, I think a very complex
35:07
Speaker 1: issue where this guy was disturbed on multiple levels. Who
35:13
Speaker 1: are the victims? So far, we're really only hearing about
35:18
Speaker 1: the two white victims. Take a listen to Earl Barnett CBS. Well,
35:24
Speaker 1: we've learned a bit more information about one of the
35:27
Speaker 1: victims who died from the shooting at this location. Her
35:30
Speaker 1: name is Delanna Young, thirty three years old, married and
35:35
Speaker 1: a mother of two children. The youngest is an eight
35:37
Speaker 1: month old girl. Now, she was here with her husband
35:40
Speaker 1: Mario when the shooting took place, but we're told that
35:43
Speaker 1: she actually works as a server at a waffle house
35:47
Speaker 1: very close to where I'm standing. We went to visit
35:50
Speaker 1: staff at that business just a short time ago, where
35:53
Speaker 1: they had set up a donation jaw with Delanne's picture
35:58
Speaker 1: on the exterior with her husband and her two children.
36:02
Speaker 1: Are trying to raise money to support her relatives and
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Speaker 1: even in death, the Asian victims are largely going unnamed, unnoticed.
36:14
Speaker 1: I found some of their names in the New York
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Speaker 1: Times that popped up just before we went to air today.
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Speaker 1: Miss John as you know, thirty three from Ackworth there
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Speaker 1: with her husband, Zayo ten of Kennesaw du Fang forty four,
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Speaker 1: Paul Andre Michaels, whose brother said he lived in Tucker.
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Speaker 1: The man that was injured coming out of another store
36:46
Speaker 1: was elsieus hernandez Ortiz of Ackworth. We don't even know
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Speaker 1: all the victims' names. Their lives apparently not meaning much
36:58
Speaker 1: to a lot of people, but I bet they meant
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Speaker 1: a lot to their families. We wait as justice un falls.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crumb Story signing off goodbye friend,