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#2568 - Ross Edgley · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night.
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  Speaker 1: All day. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: A man brought 18-year-old.
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  Speaker 1: That's good.
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  Speaker 2: Woo. That's the real deal. 18-year-old single malt scotch whiskey.
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  Speaker 1: That's smoky.
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  Speaker 2: Delicious.
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  Speaker 1: That's smoky.
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  Speaker 2: I had a, this is a true story. I had
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  Speaker 2: a deal set up. for a whiskey deal. Like they
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  Speaker 2: wanted to do, you know, they do these things like
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  Speaker 2: with celebrities. And I was like, well, we got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money. I guess I could do it. All right,
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  Speaker 2: let's do it. And so they said that they could
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  Speaker 2: help me like design the whiskey. I'm like, oh, that'd
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  Speaker 2: be really cool. So first I wanted to do it
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  Speaker 2: with Buffalo Trace, but Buffalo Trace was like, look, we
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  Speaker 2: love you. But the reality is our whiskey takes like
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  Speaker 2: eight years in a barrel, period. Like that's the only
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  Speaker 2: way they do it. Oh, that makes sense. That's why
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  Speaker 2: it's so good. Okay. That makes sense. So I tried
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  Speaker 2: this whiskey and I was like, oh, it's pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty good. I gave it to my friends. Like,
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  Speaker 2: it's pretty good. And then I fucked up. And I
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  Speaker 2: had some 18-year-old scotch. And it was so good. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't lie. If I'll say this is my favorite whiskey,
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  Speaker 2: but that will be a lie. Because this is so
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  Speaker 2: much better. There's no substitute for time. No. There's no
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  Speaker 2: substitute for time in those barrels.
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  Speaker 1: That tastes like Scotland as well, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: I remember one of the writers... When I was on
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  Speaker 2: news radio, he exposed me to this stuff. He said,
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  Speaker 2: do you like whiskey? I'm like, it's okay. It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of nasty. You just do it to get a buzz, right?
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  Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, no. He was very specific. You
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  Speaker 2: have a large cube of ice. He's like, come on.
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  Speaker 2: Let me buy you a $ 200 whiskey. I'm like, what?
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  Speaker 2: $ 200 for a fucking glass? He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Trust me, trust me. So he bought me this glass.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: It was 200 pounds.
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  Speaker 2: It's a different thing. It's a different thing. If you
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  Speaker 2: drink a 20-year-old... Whiskey. It's a very different thing. So
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  Speaker 2: it cost me who knows how much money because I
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  Speaker 2: got to get out of the deal. And they're like, what?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, no, like I can't lie. I
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  Speaker 2: can't lie and say this is my favorite. I respect that.
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  Speaker 2: I respect that. I could if I was poor. Look,
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  Speaker 2: if I was broke, I could lie. But I have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money. So I'm like, I'm not lying.
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  Speaker 1: To the sanctity of whiskey.
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  Speaker 2: I respect that. Because this is– they figured it out.
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  Speaker 2: Like the Irish and the Scots, they figured it out.
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  Speaker 2: In Scotland, this is like a religious thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: They don't fuck around.
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  Speaker 1: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: You get some really old scotch, man. Really old scotch
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  Speaker 2: whiskey has a very distinct taste. And they're willing to
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  Speaker 2: wait fucking 18 years to get that taste. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That just reminds me of Scotland.
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  Speaker 2: We had to stop the podcast before the podcast even
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  Speaker 2: started because we were talking about so much cool shit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm going to leave the room. Because I
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  Speaker 2: don't want us to miss any of this. So, first
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  Speaker 2: of all, you were telling me you swam around 60
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  Speaker 2: hours in Loch Ness? Yeah, yeah. Speaking of Scotland.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, because this is strange, because obviously it was seven
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  Speaker 1: years ago now when we caught up, when I swam
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  Speaker 1: around Great Britain. And then since then- God, that was
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  Speaker 1: seven years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Weird, right? Wow. Right?
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  Speaker 1: And then now, I've just been on this kind of
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  Speaker 1: strange career trajectory. If you can call it a career,
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  Speaker 1: in inverted commas. So, we did, yeah, a 60-hour non-stop
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  Speaker 1: swim in Loch Ness.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Was going well. So it was all for ocean conservation.
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  Speaker 1: We raised so much money. It was amazing. It was
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  Speaker 1: going well up until the 60-hour point. Started hallucinating, started
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  Speaker 1: seeing things. Basically, the only way I can describe it
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  Speaker 1: is you're looking through the eye of a needle. It's
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  Speaker 1: just getting smaller and smaller and smaller. And then it
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  Speaker 1: just went completely black. It just went completely dark.
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  Speaker 2: Did you black out?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, blacked out. Basically, it was hypothermia mixed with cellulitis.
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  Speaker 1: So cellulitis is skin infection.
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  Speaker 2: Staph infection.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: From the wetsuit that was just getting to my bloodstream.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, God. You had a staph infection, and at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, you were hypothermic?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And at the same time, you'd been up for three days?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It was a bad place to be, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: It was a bad place to be. That's so crazy.
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  Speaker 1: In the middle of.
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  Speaker 2: 60 hours of swimming is so insane. 60 hours of
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  Speaker 2: running is insane. But you could stop running and take
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  Speaker 2: a nap. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: It was so bad. With the Loch Ness Monster.
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  Speaker 2: It was bad.
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  Speaker 1: It was bad. Do you think that's real? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: something touched my leg when I was in there.
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  Speaker 2: But you were hallucinating.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not the best person to ask.
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  Speaker 1: But exactly what you just said there is strange because
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  Speaker 1: my skin was on fire from the cellulitis. But then
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  Speaker 1: I could feel in my bones I was getting so cold. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: long story short, blacked out. I woke up and just thought, oh,
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  Speaker 1: there we go.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: That's all over your back and your neck. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 2: you're just ridden with staph infection.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's how bad it was.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's horrible.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it was that coupled with the hypothermia.
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  Speaker 1: So this is going to sound so strange, but it
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  Speaker 1: went completely black. I remember waking up and then I
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  Speaker 1: was in the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: So did they have to scoop you out of the water?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How did they? Did you have someone beside you with
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  Speaker 2: a net?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a team. They were amazing. They scooped
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  Speaker 1: me up. I look, I basically open my eyes. The
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  Speaker 1: next thing I know, I see my mom and my
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  Speaker 1: girlfriend ahead of the hospital bed. And I just went.
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  Speaker 1: it's not going well, has it? And they were like, Ross, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's not. You woke up.
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  Speaker 2: In the hospital room.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. So the entire transport to the hospital, you were
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  Speaker 2: out cold. Yeah. Yeah. How long were you out cold for?
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  Speaker 1: They think about 13 hours.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You were out cold for 13 hours.
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  Speaker 1: Coming in and out. I don't, I don't say it
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  Speaker 1: proudly sort of coming in and out of consciousness. I
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  Speaker 1: still sort of remember little bits, but then like I said,
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  Speaker 1: the main thing was just being there with my mom
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  Speaker 1: and my girlfriend and they were just, they looked disappointed.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so sorry. So from there, what's
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  Speaker 1: interesting a year later, In Lake Tresemino in Italy, we
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  Speaker 1: did another swim for charity. It was amazing. Everything was organized.
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  Speaker 1: But because of Italian bureaucracy, they said you have to
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  Speaker 1: do it on this particular day. Getting into the water,
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  Speaker 1: it was 36 degrees. I don't know what that is
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  Speaker 1: in Fahrenheit, but hot. It was a bath, basically. We
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  Speaker 1: got caught in a heat wave. So going in there,
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  Speaker 1: I had hypothermia before. Now I have hypothermia, so heat stroke.
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  Speaker 2: So you're like swimming in a hot bath.
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  Speaker 1: Basically.
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  Speaker 2: What is 36 degrees in Fahrenheit? Is that like 90 degrees?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, 96.8. 96? Holy shit.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy. What is there, a fucking volcano under there?
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  Speaker 1: This is it.
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  Speaker 2: That's nuts.
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  Speaker 1: So they said it was the hottest month ever recorded
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  Speaker 1: in Italy. I got caught in this.
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  Speaker 2: That's got to kill fish, no?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. I was swimming past fish that had
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  Speaker 1: been boiled alive.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. By the way, go back to that
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  Speaker 2: picture of them. Jacked.
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  Speaker 1: Jacked, son. That was after Iceland. You look like the real.
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  Speaker 2: Live Wolverine in that picture. It's like if Marvel Comics,
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  Speaker 2: if Wolverine, that's what it looked like.
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  Speaker 1: You can see the chafing on my shoulder there, but
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  Speaker 1: no cellulitis, thankfully.
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  Speaker 2: Thank God. So this is.
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  Speaker 1: That was Iceland.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, and I think what's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you think you got cellulitis from the water
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  Speaker 2: in Scotland?
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  Speaker 1: They think because it was fresh water.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: The swim around Iceland, for instance.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: Just as bad. It was so bad. But equally, you
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  Speaker 1: just got salt water.
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  Speaker 2: Right, but it doesn't have the bacteria content.
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  Speaker 1: Is exactly it, yeah. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Of course. But boy, fresh water's nasty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's nasty. But especially it. Well, it wasn't 96 degrees,
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  Speaker 2: but if it was, imagine that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think what was interesting is from then,
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  Speaker 1: trust me, so I got rhabdomyolysis there, so that's just
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  Speaker 1: muscle breakdown, basically.
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  Speaker 2: You got rhabdo too?
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  Speaker 3: Bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, really bad.
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  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, in Iceland or in Scotland?
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  Speaker 1: Well, certainly in Iceland, but in Italy. Yeah, so I
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  Speaker 1: had hypothermia and cellulitis in Loch Ness. Fast forward a year,
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  Speaker 1: then I got rhabdomyolysis and heat stroke in Italy. What's
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  Speaker 1: so strange, though, and this is, I'm aware this sounds
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  Speaker 1: a little bit twisted, but As a sports scientist, I'd
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  Speaker 1: obviously researched the theory and philosophy of all this. Whereas
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  Speaker 1: actually subjecting my body to it, I was like, oh, cool.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this is what hypothermia feels like. And it
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  Speaker 1: was the same with rhabdomyolysis. So basically sitting here right now,
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  Speaker 1: just chilling, you know, not been training or anything like that. Ah,
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  Speaker 1: creatine kinase. So that's an enzyme that's responsible for muscle breakdown.
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  Speaker 1: So when it's in your muscle, basically in your blood,
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  Speaker 1: it says there's been some muscle breakdown. Sitting here right now,
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  Speaker 1: it might be about 80%. If we had a hard workout,
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  Speaker 1: maybe 300. If you run a marathon, 1,000. If you
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  Speaker 1: run an ultra marathon, maybe getting up to 4,000, 5,000.
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  Speaker 1: At 10,000, your creatine kinase, they are rushing you to
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  Speaker 1: a hospital. At that point, they're really worried about your
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  Speaker 1: kidneys that are just working overtime to try to filter
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  Speaker 1: it out. They said, Ross, yours is at 19,000, which
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  Speaker 1: is so weird for a sport where you are suspended
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  Speaker 1: in water. It's not even weight bearing. You shouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: this amount of muscle breakdown. So I think, thankfully, my
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  Speaker 1: kidneys did an amazing job. Shout out to my kidneys.
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  Speaker 1: Filled me out and got me out of the hospital
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  Speaker 1: in a few days. But I think what's so strange
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  Speaker 1: is that sort of a career then led me to
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  Speaker 1: swim around Iceland, where I just knew what rhabdomyolysis, hypothermia, cellulitis,
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  Speaker 1: I knew what all of those things were. So as
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  Speaker 1: a result, I kind of turned up in Iceland as
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  Speaker 1: this kind of bulletproof swimmer who was like, oh, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter what it's going to throw at me, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to understand.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God, dude. That is insane.
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  Speaker 1: And then we swam 1,000 miles around Iceland, which was amazing.
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  Speaker 2: When you were getting the hypothermia, they say that before
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  Speaker 2: people die, they get hot and they want to take
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  Speaker 2: their clothes off. Did you have that feeling?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly that. But I think part of that was the
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  Speaker 1: cellulitis as well because my skin felt like it was
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  Speaker 1: on fire. But then equally at the same time, I
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  Speaker 1: was shivering with my internal organs. It's a strange position
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  Speaker 1: to be in.
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  Speaker 2: Did you take into consideration the possibility of cellulitis before
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  Speaker 2: you got into that fresh water? Did you know about it?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't know about it?
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  Speaker 1: I became an expert afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: I would want to research, like, throw it in perplexity. Like,
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  Speaker 2: what are the cons? What's the worst thing that can
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  Speaker 2: happen here in the water? What are the physical dangers
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  Speaker 2: I have to worry about with fresh water versus salt water?
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  Speaker 2: Is the lock monster real?
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  Speaker 1: I should have researched that I think what's weird and
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad we started you know our catch up like
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  Speaker 1: this because I think so often people go why do
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  Speaker 1: you do it but I think now looking at the
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  Speaker 1: anthropology of us humans, the history of us humans across
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  Speaker 1: different cultures, different countries, we've always been doing this idea
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  Speaker 1: of self-discipline for self-discovery. You know, you look at the
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  Speaker 1: marathon monks of Japan, for instance, over seven years, over
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  Speaker 1: a thousand days, will almost do a marathon a day.
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  Speaker 2: Those guys in Mexico from the Born to Run book.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. They run either barefoot or with small homemade
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  Speaker 2: shoes they make from rubber tires and shit.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: They make like sandals out of like retreaded tires.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. I mean, it's weird as well. Like even going
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  Speaker 1: back further as well. So I ended up doing a
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  Speaker 1: documentary ages ago. So 20 years ago now. I did
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  Speaker 1: Ayahuasca for a week in the Amazon jungle with the
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  Speaker 1: Jamanawa tribe. At the end of this week, as part
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  Speaker 1: of the initiation into manhood, we basically then, this is
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  Speaker 1: such a random story, but they kill the snake and
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  Speaker 1: you have to bite the tongue out of the snake.
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  Speaker 2: Pass. Hard pass. I'd rather be a boy forever. Fuck you.
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  Speaker 2: You can't tell me I have to eat a snake's
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  Speaker 2: tongue to be a man. Next thing you know, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to suck a pig's dick. If you don't suck
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  Speaker 2: that pig's dick, you're not a real man.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: Says who? Says some fucking guy in the jungle who
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  Speaker 2: doesn't even have Starlink? Fuck you. Fuck you, buddy. How
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  Speaker 2: about you get a pair of Nikes? You don't even have.
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  Speaker 1: Shoes, you fucking idiot. I was young and impressionable. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't question it, so I did it. I bit the tongue. John,
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  Speaker 1: bit the tongue. I would have bit the tongue, too.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just fucking around. I would have definitely bit that tongue,
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  Speaker 2: especially if they brought me in and put face paint
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  Speaker 2: on me and shit. That was it.
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  Speaker 1: I was caught up in the moment. I was caught
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  Speaker 1: up in the moment. Sorry for a sidetrack.
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  Speaker 3: I got a sidetrack when I was looking up people
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  Speaker 3: biting tongues of snakes.
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  Speaker 2: Men get high from cobra bite on tongue.
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  Speaker 4: It says they got high for at least a month.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. You hate your life so much. You
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  Speaker 2: sign up to get high for a month by getting
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  Speaker 2: bit on the tongue by a cobra. You're like, fucking
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  Speaker 2: take me away. This job sucks. I just want to
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  Speaker 2: be high.
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  Speaker 1: We've all done things we regret.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's off the charts. Getting bit on the
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  Speaker 2: tongue by a cobra. I'd be like, is there a way?
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  Speaker 2: Can I just grab the cobra venom and put it
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  Speaker 2: on a fucking Q-tip?
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  Speaker 4: Maybe a little better.
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  Speaker 3: It's after an astrologer's nightmare advice they did it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, after astrologer's nightmare advice.
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  Speaker 4: This might be a different story.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a different snake, too, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Performing a ritual, that was probably what I was doing, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Deadly snake bite bit a man's tongue after an astrologer
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  Speaker 2: told him that performing a ritual with the serpent would
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  Speaker 2: stop his nightmares.
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  Speaker 1: That is essentially what I did.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, where's that guy from? Say that name. Ross, you
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  Speaker 2: got it. Go for it.
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  Speaker 1: Gobi Chechi Du Palonium.
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  Speaker 2: That might be accurate. That's pretty goddamn good. That's a
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  Speaker 2: real world traveler, ladies and gentlemen. That's how they pronounce things.
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  Speaker 2: They roll their R's and shit. Can you put that
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  Speaker 2: back up, please?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That was nuts.
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  Speaker 2: This is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the thing. So he wasn't lying.
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  Speaker 2: So this is a different snake. This is the Russell's Viper,
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  Speaker 2: one of the most common snakes to inflict bites on
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  Speaker 2: people in India. During the ritual, the man mimicked the
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  Speaker 2: snake's tongue flickering movements, which is when the incredibly deadly
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  Speaker 2: snake bit him on the tongue. Yo. After the snake
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  Speaker 2: bit the man, the priest attempted to make a cut
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  Speaker 2: in his tongue using a knife, which only worsened the pain. Shocker!
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  Speaker 1: I thought that would have fixed everything.
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  Speaker 2: The venom from the Russell's Viper usually causes cardiovascular complications,
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  Speaker 2: hemostatic abnormalities, renal failure. Is renal failure? What is that?
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  Speaker 1: Essentially, I think it's the kidneys basically know they're doing
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  Speaker 1: their job shutting down. So internal organs just go.
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: So like rhabdo. Very similar. Those who are bitten need
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: treatment immediately. The man was rushed to a nearby medical center.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: Did that guy even get high?
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: This was not.
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: This was in the same.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: Surgery was performed probably for the cut on his tongue.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: Like who the fuck did you let cut your tongue, dude?
• 14:01
  Speaker 4: Also in India, they get high off of this. So
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: it was.
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: A side-by-side story there.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: So this is the same snake or the cobra?
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: Different, different, different.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: This is loads of people doing it. See, this makes
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: me feel better.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: But here's my question. It does make me feel better, too.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: But here's my question. What is the venom? Like, can't
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: you just rub it on your tongue? Can't you put
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: it on, like, a spatula or some shit? There you go. Oh, boy, fella.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: No.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't do that. No, no, no. But he's
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: making out with this thing.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: Imagine you do that and then all of a sudden
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: you're in front of God and God's explaining the nature
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: of life in the universe. It's a continuous cycle and
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: you've done this a million times before and you're getting
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: better at it, but you're not done. And when you
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: do get done, you will be God.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: Bye. That's amazing. I wish I'd have had that experience.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it lasts three days. For three days, you're talking
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: to God and God's coming out of a serpent's tongue.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: But we did that. I think what was it? I didn't,
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: as was slightly different to that. So basically after you
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: had basically just, you know, tongued a snake, they turn
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: to you and they go, okay, now you have the
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: wisdom of the jungle, but you cannot speak for 24 hours.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: So everyone's just like that. Okay, we take a vow
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: of silence. And then for the next 24 hours, one
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: of the things that they had us do was climb
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: a tree. So I disappear about four meters up this tree,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: holding on like that, completely naked. And they just start
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: smacking the bottom of the tree. And I just get
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: engulfed in fire ants, but can't make a sound. You
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: can't make a sound. And they said, if you make
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: a sound, the spirit of the snake will haunt you
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. But if you don't
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: make a sound, you'll be blessed with the wisdom of
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: the jungle.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: How old are you? 21. Yeah, 21. Jesus. So was
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: that the beginning of all this self-torture?
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I think it might have been. This has turned into therapy.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: How many times did you get bit by a fire ant?
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, loads.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: I was covered. Did they get the nuggets? They get
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: the whole thing?
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: They got everything? They got all the nuggets.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Damn, son. Damn, son.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: But I think it's interesting that when I talk about
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: my swimsuits.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: What, James?
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: This kills fucking 60,000 people a year in India.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: What? Oh, my God.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: I would say you're lucky to be alive, clearly.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it's the same snake.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: This is the Russell's Viper.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Right, but he didn't get a Russell's Viper. He was
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: in the Amazon. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Mine seemed friendlier.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: The Indian thing seems insane, though. I don't know what's
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: going on here.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: They let it bite their tongue.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: I guess India, in certain parts of it, life is
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: so hard, they're like, fuck it. I'll do anything. You
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? You see some of the scenes
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: online of India and the pollution in the rivers. It's
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: so preposterous. You're like, how did it get this bad
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: where entire rivers are filled with plastic? You don't see
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: any water at all. You just see plastic. And then
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: you see people just dumping their stuff into that river.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: You're like, is there no adults in the room? How
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: the fuck did this happen? There's no other way. There's
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: no other way to do this than to dump all
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: the plastic in the river and everyone's in agreement. This
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: is crazy. Like, what the fuck? Give me the snake.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: I'll take that snake. That's my way out. Let's go.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I want to talk to God. How many times do
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I have to do this forever? How many times have
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: I done it? Hundreds of thousands?
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I thought it was unique.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. There's pictures.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: What do you got? I don't want to. Show me.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Let's go. oh boy necrosis of the tongue oh god
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: these assholes they get their tongue rotted out because that's
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: one of the things that venom does that's why like
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: when a rattlesnake bites you it's so dangerous it's not
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: just the venom can kill you but it also rots
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: all the fucking tissue around where the bite is I
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: saw this poor guy he got bitten and he had
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: multiple reconstructions of his arm and he documented it all
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: online and this was quite a while ago it was
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: like the early days of the internet but this guy
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: did this documentation of what his arm looked like from
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the time he got bit by this rattlesnake to like
• 17:59
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• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's weird as well. This is going to
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: sound so strange, but I think sometimes that granted is
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: strange because it's voluntary. But again, this is a weird example,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: but I was living in Olenyok, so in Siberia, with
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the Venki herders out there. And I think so often
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: we've become too civilized. We kind of have civilization over survival.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: And there's certain things that they do, whether it's they
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: rely on the reindeer, they kill them, they have them
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: for their milk, butter, make all sorts out of them.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: But this one particular story, I'm going to apologize in
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: advance now, but to manage the amount of reindeer that
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: they have in these huge herds, they basically said to us, look,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: we need to basically castrate some of the male reindeer
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: because they're fighting. So we still need them, but we
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: need to castrate them. I was like, okay, that's a
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: bit off-key, but give me the knife and I'll do
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: whatever you need to do. And they said, no, no, no, no,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: we'll stop you there, Ross. We actually do a form
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: of semi-castration. So we just want to make them slightly
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: more docile so they're not fighting as much.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: They do it with the teeth?
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Exactly that.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they grab them from behind and they bite their
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: nuts with their teeth.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: That's exactly it, yeah. So when I was out there,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: they said, would you like to perform it? I'm not
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: proud of it. That's what I did.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I understand that they have to do that, like the
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: way they gel horses. You know, they do that with
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: horses as well. I understand it. But I don't want
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: to be a part of that. I won't even do
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that to my dogs. Like I went to a veterinarian
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: once and she literally cradled my dog Johnny Cash. I
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: had this mastiff named Johnny Cash. He was the best.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: And this lady cradled his balls. She goes, what are these?
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Why are these here? I go, well, those are his
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: testicles and he was born with them. And that's how
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: his body produces testosterone. And she's like, wouldn't it be
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: responsible to have him neutered? And I was like, why
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: would that be responsible? He's not having unnecessary babies. Why
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: do you want his body to not produce testosterone? Is
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: it because there's a narrative? Is it because you profit
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: off of it? Fortunately for me, I had a doctor
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: when I first moved to Los Angeles, a veterinarian who
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: was an– I mean this guy was an animal lover.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I mean he was like a dog whisperer. I brought
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: my dog in and immediately he was like my dog's
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: best friend. And I said, should I get him fixed?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: He goes, no. There is no– he goes– You have
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: a fence, your dog's not going to hop out and
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: make puppies that aren't going to be taken care of.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: If you're a responsible dog owner, don't get your dog fixed.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I go, really? I thought it was like for their
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: health so they don't get cancer. He goes, complete horseshit.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: He goes, if dogs get cancer, it's most likely probably
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: from really bad food. They're eating shitty food just like
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: people get cancer. You know, not a lot of animals
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: get cancer. Well, Tasmanian devils do. But they get cancer
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: from biting each other. They're one of the weirdest cases
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: of cancer. They have a transmissible cancer. Like Tasmanian Devil
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: from the cartoon. You ever seen those fuckers in real life? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: They have the craziest sounds. Anyway, my point is, don't
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: cut your nuts off your dog if you're a responsible
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: dog owner. Because they get tired. Even Huberman, we were
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: talking about Huberman before. He did it to his bulldog
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: and he felt bad, so he started giving his bulldog testosterone.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: He said, yeah, when I caught up with him, yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Is it true as well, sharks don't get cancer as well?
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: They've got these crazy immune systems.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: True, yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, sharks.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Also, they don't have bones. It's like we're so distant
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: from them. They're so old. My God.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I went swimming with great whites of Tasmania. What? Oh,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: my God. What? Where? Yeah, you'll be aware of this
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Tasmania?
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: So, outside Australia, the real ones.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: The real ones. Those are the OGs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: They get big. They stop growing. The females, certainly, they
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: stop growing in length at a certain point, and they
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: just get bigger. It's just a submarine with teeth.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Like New Zealand rugby players.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Exactly like that. Exactly like that. It is nuts. So
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: they explained to me, they basically said they have something
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: called the ampullae of Lorenzini. So they're able to pick
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: up electrical impulses. Is your heart beating quick? Are you twitching?
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Do you look like prey?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, Jesus Christ.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I was down there with some very experienced divers as well.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: We dived and we swam with them. On the dive,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: when we went down about 40 feet.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: What was nuts.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: is they immediately knew that I was the weakest link.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: They immediately knew that I was kind of out of
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: my depth when it came to diving. And they all
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: just started swimming towards me. And they're just going, Ross, Ross,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying square up to it, but please stop
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: breathing so heavy and acting like prey. So in that moment,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: it was just strange how we had a conversation, but
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: it was obviously nonverbal and across species, that it was
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: looking at me, came straight up to me. I sort
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of tried, again, I'm not saying I squared up to it,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: but kind of was like, Can I help you? And
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: then it just went, all right, you're okay.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you didn't panic. No. And if you panicked, that
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: might have been the end. Yeah.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: But just the way that they, like I said, described
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that ampullae of Lorenzini, that they are just looking at me.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: There is this apex predator with just like thousands of years,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and it's downloading data on me. And it just knew,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: 10 of us down there, and it knew that I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: was the weakest link. Jeez.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: It's probably so obvious, right? Those other guys are so
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: comfortable in the water. They've done it a million times.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Probably have a very low heart rate down there. It's
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: a novel experience for you. And there's sharks.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Exactly that.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: My good friend Adam Greentree, one of his buddies back
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: home in Australia, got his head bit off by a shark.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: He was spearfishing, and he came out of a thing,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: like a crevice or something in the reef, and a
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: shark just.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Didn't even see it coming.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Didn't even see it coming. Just popped out and the
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: shark saw something that looked like food that was coming
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: out of the reef. Because they're, you know, they're in
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: the reefs looking for all sorts of whatever they eat.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Whatever fish fuck up and, you know, are in the
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: wrong place at the wrong time. They're so damn scary.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Because they're ambush predators as well.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: The tiger sharks off Bahamas.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Swimming with them. And so often it's just enough to
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: look at them. As long as they can see your eyes,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: they go, okay, you've seen me. But the amount of
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: times sometimes when we were down there and they're like, Ross,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: have your head on a swivel. Because they were just
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: calming up behind me. And had I have not turned
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: around 100%, I wouldn't be speaking to you now.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Dude, in Hawaii, they're a real problem, man. They're a
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: real problem for the surfers. Whenever you hear about someone
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: getting got, it's a tiger shark. There's a crazy video
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: we played on here once. This guy, he's in a kayak.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: And he's out in the middle of the ocean fishing.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: And a tiger shark just slams into his kayak. And
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: you see its mouth wide open, its big fucking head.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: And it knocks the kayak sideways. It's terrifying. And he's screaming,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: tiger shark, tiger shark. Here it is. Watch this. Watch this.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: The speed of them. Watch this. Oh, no.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Bro, fuck that.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Fuck all that.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: That was a tiger, was it? Yes. Fuck all that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Look at this thing. Launch up. Imagine if he was
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: an inflatable. If he was in an inflatable, that's a wrap.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: You just got your shit popped by a tiger, and
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: now you're floating a mile offshore, whatever the fuck he is.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: It's the same with, like, bull sharks as well, though.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Bull sharks are just angry. Experts, like friends of mine
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: have just said, like, they will just come over to you.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: With a white shark, they're curious. Their taste buds are
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: in their throats. They'll come over and nip you, and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: they'll just be like, oh, sorry, I didn't realize you
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: weren't a seal. The only problem is you're bleeding out.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Whereas a bull shark, they'll just be like, I'm just
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: in a bad mood. I'm just going to come over
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and just miss. Yeah, exactly.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I talked to this dude in Florida. He said he
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: will not spearfish anymore. He said they live in central,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: like central Florida. He said when you're off the reefs,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: he said it's so fucking dangerous. He's like the bull
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: sharks are all over the place now.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Because everybody's like, sharks are amazing. Stop the shark fin soup.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Fucking serve it up. Okay, serve up monster dick soup.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: It should be everywhere. What the fuck are you talking about?
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: You want to eat beautiful things like cows that are
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: sweet and kind? You want to eat veal, but you
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: won't eat monsters? You should be eating monsters. Monsters should
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: be on every menu. If you can get fucking veal
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: scallopini at an Italian restaurant, you should be able to
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: get monster dick soup. They should sell that shit everywhere.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: They should become our food. Fuck them. Fuck sharks.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: But further to that point, I would say that then
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I was completely out of my doubt. I've never felt
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: more vulnerable in that moment. The only other time I
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: felt vulnerable was I broke the record for the world's
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: longest nonstop river swim. So it was 510 kilometers, 60
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: hours all the way down the Yukon River. We hit
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the Five Finger Rapids at one point. I basically kind
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: of just got thrown against rocks, cut up pretty bad.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: So where does this start? In the Yukon?
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So it was at Whitehorse to Dawson. I
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: hope I've got that the right way around.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So are you in BC? Like, where are you in?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: In Yukon.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: What is Yukon? It's Alaska, right?
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. Canada.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Canada.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: But it goes to Alaska. Yeah, yeah. If you continue
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: with the Yukon River, it will eventually go to Alaska.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: So does it come down? What part of Canada does
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: it come through?
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good question.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: So it's cold as fuck, though, is my point.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: It's freezing.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: And what time are you going there?
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: We went like.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, here it goes.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, amazing. Yeah, we went July.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: So the Northwest Territories, that's what they call it, right? Yeah.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Is that what they call it?
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: And we just... It's just the wild, wild west out there.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: And we took off, like I said, we started. Basically,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: what was so, so strange is for the first 24 hours,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: didn't see much in the way of wildlife at all.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I got thrown against these whitewater rapids, got hit on
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the rocks. And that's why the back of my legs
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: are still cut up now. And then from that, the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: rules are no one can touch you. You can't touch
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the boat. So I'm like, guys, I can't stop. So
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I just pull my leg out the water like this.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: And as I do, blood is just dripping out the
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: end of my wetsuit. Literally like clockwork. As soon as
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: that happened, bears, wolves, everything. I said, what's happening? And
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: they said, Ross, they can smell the blood. You're like
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: an ice cream van. You're just advertising yourself. all the
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: wildlife now in the Yukon.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Again, now the black bears, fine. As you know, they're skittish.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: And it was so, for me, strange Englishman, first time
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: dealing with bears, the black bears were looking just like,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: what are you? I don't know. A bit skittish. The
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: brown bears, no.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: They look at you very different. They look right through you.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: So different. They're just almost like sitting there, just kind
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: of look at, and we had, like I said, a
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: boat full of people. We had protection on there and stuff,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: but It just didn't care. I was so aware.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: How big was the brown bear?
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I would have no, as an Englishman who has no experience,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: that I've done it, just scarily big for me. Yeah,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: it was big. yeah and I just carry on swimming
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: it was interesting how it was almost like it was
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: looking going you're not a salmon but you're not a
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: bear I don't know I wonder if you're hungry and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I just I carry on so I turned to the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: guys I said guys am I okay am I safe
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: shall I keep swimming thankfully one of the team turned
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: around it wasn't even a gun it was like a
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: cannon and they said Ross don't worry If it gets
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: too close to you, it'll end up in my freezer.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, right, that's what I wanted to hear.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: We just carried on.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. You know, statistically, you're more likely to
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: get killed by a black bear. Well, no, that's not correct. Statistically,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: when a black bear attacks you, it's more likely in predation.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Whereas when a brown bear attacks you, it's more likely
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: surprised and it's defending itself. Or it's a mother with
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: her cubs, which is the most dangerous. Just like in
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: real life, you fuck with the lady's kids. Like you
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: fuck with, if you fuck with a grizzly bear and
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: you come near its kids, they, they are terrifying. They
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: run at you full clip. Most of the times the
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: dudes get attacked and killed. That's, that's where you fucked up.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: You run into a 700 pound mama with her babies
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: and a, a, a jaw that could just crush your
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: head like a candy bar like fuck you like you
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: you can't and you can't run away from her and
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: you can't climb up a tree you can't do shit
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: and you just zigged when you should have zagged and
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: you got too close to her kids and she doesn't
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: want to take any chances so you just became.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Food yeah what was what was kind of strange that's
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: kind of it was so weird going from the Yukon
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and then a year later we did the Iceland swim
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: and And there were some of these old sort of
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: modern day Viking chiefs who basically were explaining about the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: concept of a berserker as well. Berserker obviously just meaning
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: bear shirt. saying that these berserkers, these ancient Nordic warriors,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: would so often just try to embody the spirit.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Of the animal.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: And there was even the Ufhafna, which are.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: It's called bear shirts? That's what berserker means?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, bear pelt, bear shirt, basically.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: That's what berserker means.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: You learn something new every day, Jamie.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: So they would embody, literally, the spirit of the animal.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Like I said, there was almost, from berserkers as well,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: there were almost like subcategories as well. So there were the,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I hope I'm pronouncing it right, Ufhafna, which were the
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: wolf warriors, and they were Odin's chosen warriors. There, there's
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: stories of them just running into battle, no armor, basically naked, painted,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: biting down onto their shields as well and howling into
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the wind.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: You know, they were also doing mushrooms.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I know, right? Yeah.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: That was one of the things about those fellows. Berserker
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: comes from the Old Norse berserker, most likely meaning bear shirt,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: a warrior wearing a bear skin. Exact etymology is disputed.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: An alternative interpretation is bear shirt. Referring to fighting without armor?
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Huh.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: In plain English, it means a frenzied warrior. But I
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: guess you have to be a pretty frenzied warrior to
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: kill a fucking bear back then. You know, there was
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: no rifle, son. You had to do it in an
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: intimate fashion. Agreed. If you're going to kill a brown bear,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: you're going to kill especially a male. If you get
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: to anywhere where the salmon live, they get gigantic. Which
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: brought me to this terrible idea that I have that
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I really shouldn't put out there in the universe. But
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: if you wanted to have the ultimate... really fucking dangerous
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: jackass stunt. You would put these guys in salmon suits
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: and make them swim through when those bears are like
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: catching those salmon that are going up the waterfall. And
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: those rivers where there's like nine, ten of them.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I would watch it.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Put the jackass guys. I shouldn't have said it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have said it. Because someone's going to take,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I could see Steve-O calling his fucking costume designer right now.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: But it was so interesting as well because, again, swimming
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: around Iceland, you hear stories of berserkers. You know the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: famous one of Stamford Bridge? No. Oh, this was an
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: amazing story. 1066, I believe, when the Norwegians were invading England.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Stamford Bridge. Stamford Bridge. Basically, the Norwegians were retreating. And
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: as they were, there was just this one lone berserker
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: who just stood on the bridge with a massive axe
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and was just taking down just soldier after soldier. They
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: just wave after wave and took them down. Eventually, it
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: was somebody who actually went under the bridge and managed
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: to stab him from underneath. But it was known as
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the Berserker of Stamford Bridge.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Stab him from under the bridge. That's how they got him.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, eventually.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: But he was just with his axe. Well, if you see, like,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: those guys in Iceland that win those strongman competitions... Just
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: imagine one of those guys with a battle axe. You know,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: imagine like the mountain from Game of Thrones with a
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: giant wood and steel, wood and iron fucking huge shield
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: in front of him and an enormous battle axe that
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: you couldn't even pick up. And he's just hacking through
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: people and everyone's watching their friends die. So they're all
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: in a panic and he's covered in blood. And he's
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: 400 pounds. It's so true.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And I think even as well, I mean, I'm a
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: huge fan of Gunnar Nelson as well. You know, you
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: look at the history of just Icelandic athletes, warriors, and
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: it's nuts.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Did Gunnar beat Jeff Monson in an absolute contest in
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Abu Dhabi when Gunnar fought in the UFC? I only
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: think he's fought as a welterweight, correct? I think he's
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: only fought at 170. Jeff Monson's like 250. Do you
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: know who Jeff Monson is? Yeah, of course. He's a muscle.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: He's just muscle. His whole fucking body. His shoulders start
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: at the top of his head. He's fucking enormous. And
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Monson and the hymn, they went into an absolute, which
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: is there's no weight classes in grappling. They still allow that. Yeah.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: He beat him, which is fucking insane.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: That is crazy. But it traces back to their culture
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: as well. This is one thing that I loved when
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: swimming around Iceland. That, for instance, you know the story
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: of Odin and Ragnarok?
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: At the end where, spoiler alert for those listening, Odin
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: knew he was going to die in Ragnarok, the Norse apocalypse,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: but ran in anyway. Spoiler alert, he got eaten by
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: a giant wolf. But this is what I loved, that
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the Icelandic and Nordic folklore is like, look, you can't
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: control fate. Everybody believed that you were destined. That's already
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: written for you. But it's how you can control your
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: attitude towards it. And I think that's the thing that
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I've certainly found from Icelandic culture, that it doesn't matter
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: if you are Gunnar Nelson going up against a 250-pound monster,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: you will just run into battle anyway. That is your fate,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: but it's choosing your attitude towards it. Yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's very attractive to most people. Most men,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: they wish they could be like that.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: It's true. I mean, how many goddamn Viking shows have
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: there been? There's so many Viking shows and Viking movies.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Have you seen The Northmen, that movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Amazing. Yeah, and quite accurate, apparently, as well.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet it's accurate. Well, except for the supernatural shit.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: But again, mushrooms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These guys are high
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: as fuck all the time on psilocybin. Who knows what
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: they were saying? That's what's interesting is because people assume
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: that mushrooms make you peaceful. That's why the whole thing
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: is so confusing because they really– for most people, they
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: make you like more connected to everyone around you. Possibly,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: but it's unproven. The idea is that berserkers ate mushrooms
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: before battle is a popular theory, not an established historical fact.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: There's no solid archaeological or textual evidence demonstrating drug use. OK.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: So what is the– oh, it's Amanita Puscaria. But I've
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: heard it also be psilocybin. I've heard that being proposed.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: You know, it's in that Viking show, I think. Can
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: you put that back up, please? I think in the
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Viking show, they talk about us, or it looks like
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: they're eating psilocybin. It doesn't look like Amanita muscaria. Amanita
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: muscaria is, like, really obvious. It's a bright red with
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: white dots on it. It looks like Santa Claus.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Mm-mm-mm.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: The red one with the white spots, its effects don't
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: nearly explain the battle fury. It can cause delirium, twitching, drowsiness,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: while violent aggression isn't typical. Yeah, even the delirium, twitching,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: and drowsiness, the problem with this explanation is it's not
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: really known what Amanita muscaria does. It's not a normal psychedelic,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: and it also doesn't seem to be as effective as
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: it was at one point in time. So the theory
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: is like, Terrence McKenna's theory was that it's very variable,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: like a lot of things are, like peppers are. Very
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: variable in genetics, region, and maybe even seasonally. That you
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: had to like get these mushrooms from a very specific area.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: It's like you want Cuban cigars. There's like some mushrooms
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: in a very specific area that contained a much more
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: potent version of whatever they do to you.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: It's unclear. The Amanita Mascara is unclear. Psilocybin is very clear.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: No one eats that and goes, oh, I don't see it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: But Amanita Mascara, it varies a lot. I've heard people
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: having insane experiences on it. And I myself tried it
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: and it was almost nothing. Very little. It made you
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: feel weird.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: But you're so right as well with that mixed with
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: certainly being out in Iceland when you hear stories of elves, trolls.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: And then when you're out there, like I said, I
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: started the swim. I had a blot ceremony. It basically
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: just means that they blessed my journey as I swam
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: around Iceland. And at the start, they were talking about,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: you know, the different realms of Iceland as well. Do
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: you know the story about the different guardians of Iceland?
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: What are the different guardians?
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: So basically, the story goes that back in the day,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: there was a foreign king who wanted to invade Iceland.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: So he sent this sorcerer disguised as a whale to
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: see where they could attack from, went over to the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: West Coast. There was a huge bull that is a
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: representative of strength and power, said you can't attack there.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Went around to the north coast. Over the north coast,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: huge eagle that represents vision can see for miles. It's like, right,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: you can't attack there. East coast, dragon, realm of the dragon.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Basic dragons love fast flowing water. So there's loads of waterfalls,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the East Icelandic current guns down there. And then on
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: the south coast, there was a massive giant as well.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Upon hearing this at the start during the blot ceremony,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, OK, that's a cool story. You get
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: around the top of Iceland and all of a sudden
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: birds are just coming down, dive bombing me. Like you
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: get over to the East Coast and you see some
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: of the caves and the waterfalls. And I'm like, oh,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: for sure. If you were on mushrooms, I can a
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: hundred percent believe this.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's amazing.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: And even now as well, if you're in Iceland and
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: you see a road that is just like inexplicably curved
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and goes around, I'm like, what's happening there? That road
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: makes no sense. It should just be going straight. And
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: with a completely straight face, a lot of locals will say,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: that's going through the elves' sacred land. We had to
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: build around it. And I'll say, what do you mean?
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: And they said, we were trying to build a road.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: And then inexplicably, the machines broke down. The bulldozer broke down.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: We got some more in. So there's a lot of
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: people out there who still believe in that. And I'm like, yeah,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: on mushrooms, I can believe it.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Well, think about, do you know the popular theory? There's
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: a popular theory that consciousness is rendered or rather reality
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: is rendered by consciousness. And that consciousness renders reality much
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: like a computer and a 3D game engine renders a game.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: So like if you're playing a game, like say if
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: you're playing Halo, it doesn't have to render all these
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: maps that you're not in. It's only rendering the map
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: that you're in. Right.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: So as you go into the new maps, then it
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: starts to render it. So there's legitimate physicists– that are
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: entertaining the possibility that reality is not concrete and that
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: reality is actually rendered by consciousness. And here's my thought.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this is accurate. I don't know
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: if they're right. I don't know if they're wrong. It's
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: weird and it makes sense, but reality doesn't make sense.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Neither does the fact that the universe is infinite. So
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: let's put all that aside. And God made us all
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: in his image. Great. Let's put that aside and just
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: stop and think about what is consciousness capable of rendering
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: when it has access to science? It has access to
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: all these different university courses you can take on biology
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: and evolution and the nature of the world and what
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: causes the tide and what makes thunderstorms happen and all
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: these different things that we know now. Now, imagine if
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: those things didn't exist. And all you have is just
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: super hyper-focused on nature primitive people who have gods as
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: an explanation for everything.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: And they're on mushrooms.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Like if consciousness really does render reality, then– Well, then
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: the elves are real, right? Cause then, cause if you've
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: done enough mushrooms, you have encountered an entity. You've encountered
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: something that doesn't seem like you're making it up. It
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: seems like it's there all the time, but you don't
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: have access to it. And then all of a sudden
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: you're in front of it. And if you're in a
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: world where there's no explanations for anything, cause no one
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: knows how to read. Okay. You met you a bunch
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: of fucking weird grunts for your language. You have extra
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: consonants and shit in all your words. And they're warrior people.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: And you're on mushrooms. And you're respecting the elf land.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: So much so, you move your road around.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: 100%. That sounds better than today.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I agree. I agree.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I love what you said there as well. Because I
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: remember at the start of my swim, I did a
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: training swim. I'm toweling down afterwards, getting out of my wetsuit.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: And this old, old guy, this old fisherman just comes
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: out of nowhere. First thing he says to me, Under
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the northern lights, I'm looking up. They're amazing. They've just
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: illuminated the entire sky. I'm like, wow, looking up. And
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: he just comes over and just whispers in my ear.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: And he just said, they're probably deciding if you live
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: or die.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: And I went. Oh, excuse me. Oh, boy. This asshole
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: keeps swimming for 60 hours at a time. He wants
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: to die. They probably saw right through you.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: This guy's crazy.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I said, I'm sorry.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. What did you say? Is there probably deciding
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: if you live or die? I said, please, you're going
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: to have to explain. He said that we believe that
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: in an ancient Nordic folklore, that basically the northern lights
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: are the Valkyries, Odin's female warriors. And that is their
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: shimmering shields and their swords as they're riding through the sky,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: looking down at the fallen to see who makes it
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: back to Valhalla to dine with Odin. And I was, again,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: at the time, I was like, oh, that's a bit off-key.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: That's a bit off-key.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: But then.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: What a funny way to describe it. 112 days later,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: we swim, obviously, through the summer, so there's less chance
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: to see the Northern Lights because you get 24 hours
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: of daylight. And then right at the very end, on
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: the very, very, very last swim, Northern Lights come up again.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: It was weird. And I'm on my back, swimming, just like, Look,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: as the Valkyries, if Odin is listening, thank you so much.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Well, again, if you lived back then, you would think
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: that your journey is complete. And so at the end
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: of the video game, you get to see some cool
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: montage of scenes and beautiful sights. I mean, that's what
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: happens in a movie. This is the end of the movie.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: You did it. That's what's weird about reality. Like this
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: idea that consciousness is rendering reality. Again, I really don't
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: understand it. I don't even know if it makes sense.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, there we go.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: In Iceland, respect the elves or else. Yeah, I'm respecting
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: the fuck out of them elves. Okay?
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: This rock, they won't move.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not touching that rock.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: The elves don't want to move.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're real, dude.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I think they're real. I think you just can't see
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: them normally.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: It said news crews tried to film the rock, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: every time they tried to film it, like, They wouldn't
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: record something like that.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Good. Good.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Fuck you. Fuck you.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Fake news.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Fake news. Don't film The Rock. Yeah, the real news
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: is their fucking elves are real. They moved the road.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Even TV crews say their cameras failed to record anything
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: when pointed at The Rock. I bet I'd go there
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: and record the shit out of it with my iPhone.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Fuck you. How is there a picture of it?
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Fuck off. You got a guy working for you that's
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: an asshole. He's probably got his tongue bit by a
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: cobra two days ago. The guy's tripping balls. Fuck off.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: That might have been a different rock.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: It's just fun. It's fun. Whoever the guy was saying
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: they're deciding whether you live or die, he's having fun.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: It's a good time. Who was that guy?
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: He was just an old fisherman.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that old fisherman was fucking with this cocky jack
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: British guy. He's looking at you like, fuck you and
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: your six pack.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: The elves are going to kill you.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: He's fucking with you. That guy was fucking with you 100%.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Odin describes it. He disguises himself as an old man.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Or he's an asshole. He's an old fisherman. He's fucking
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: drunk every night. He's tired of life. He sees this
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: beautiful young Englishman with a fucking manly beard and a
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: six pack, just like a jack, ready to swim for days.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: He's like, fuck you. The elves are going to kill you.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: He wanted you to be nervous. He's like, this fucking dork.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Fuck him.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: In the survey 80 over 80% of the respondents refused
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: to deny the existence of elves Wow and 8% were
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: certain they existed.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Well, those guys are dangerous the 8% are certain those
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: are dangerous people. Those are religious fanatics put them back up,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: please Those guys they can't be trusted. How the fuck
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: do you know? It's all about respect for nature Which
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: is something Icelanders know is very much alive. I agree
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: with that Said gunnel. What an Iceland name guy's name
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: is Donald. Oh But when your house can be destroyed
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: by an earthquake, when you can be blown over by
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: the wind, when boiling water from your taps tells you
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: there's lava not far beneath your feet, then you don't
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: mess with nature. Holy shit.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: They get boiling water from their taps sometimes?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What the fuck, man?
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine going to sleep? You know that there's
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: so much lava underneath your house that water is boiling
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: coming out of your tap. You're like, good night.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: No deal.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I wonder what's on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. You
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: fucking sit there staring at Kim Kardashian.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Caitlyn Jenner is on TV. Oh, they're all together again.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: You want this fucking lava under your feet.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: But that's Icelandic people. They're just hard as nails. I
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: said this. It's just a country that's trying to kill you.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: When we were there, actually, at the very end, So
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I basically, I made it back by three days for
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: the birth of my first child.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Congratulations.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's a life changer, huh?
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: It was amazing. Yeah. But at the end, for instance,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: so my girlfriend, she's amazing. We've been together 13 years.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: And basically the University of Iceland said, look, if you
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: can collect eDNA samples, environmental DNA samples around the coast
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: of Iceland, we can track biodiversity in a level of
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: detail we've never seen before. So we had them on board.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: We had sponsors on board. We had a boat on board.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And then we found out we were pregnant. So I
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: was like, oh.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: In America, we frown upon that we are pregnant. Oh, really?
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: We frown upon that.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: She's pregnant?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's pregnant.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I'm pregnant.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: You're definitely not pregnant. You're definitely not pregnant. She's pregnant.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: She's pregnant. And when I say in America, I mean me.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I frown upon that kind of talk.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: She's pregnant.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: She's amazing. She just said, look, go, but you need
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: to make it back. So we had that hard deadline.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: That's a good thing to say. You need to live.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: You survived. The Valkyries.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: You're about to have a baby.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Don't swim for 60 days, you fucking asshole. Oh, my God.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: You have responsibilities. I know.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: But I think, and I've heard you talk about, you know,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: fatherhood and stuff. It invoked something in me, a level
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: of motivation that I've never experienced before. It was just
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: at the end. So we got caught in, Hurricane Erin
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: was coming through the Atlantic. So that was over the
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: East Coast. We had 100 miles to finish. And in Grindavik,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: there was a volcano going off that had poisonous gas.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: We couldn't get too close to that as well. inhale it,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: you're dead. And then here, there was one of Europe's
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: largest glaciers that just sent shards of ice as big
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: as this table. And at night, you just couldn't see it.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: You're just hitting them.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: The team was like, look, Ross, I'm so sorry. We're
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: going to be here for two weeks. And I was like, no, no,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: i'm i'm so sorry i need i need to get
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: back you know and it was that that form of
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: motivation at the end just knowing you had that hard
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: deadline yeah i just i got jellyfish coming off my
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: face tongue falling off from saltwater exposure it didn't matter
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: i was like i'm not not being back for the
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: birth of my son and i made it back like
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: i said by three days wow Yeah, but it got nuts.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a very primal feeling. It ignites something in
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: you that does not exist in people that don't have children.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think. I mean, I am
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: very careful about this. I do not think you have
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: to have children. I don't like to shame people that
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: don't want to have kids. I don't like shame people
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: who never had kids. I think you can be a
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: wonderful person and contribute to the world without children. But
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: I could just say for me, it changed who I am.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: It changed me in a very profound way. And I
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: always bring up this Dave Chappelle quote, so I apologize
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: to people who've heard it before. But he said something
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: very profound once in the parking lot of the comedy store.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: He said, not only did having children change the amount
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: of love that I have, he goes, it changed my
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: capacity for love. I love that. Yeah. And it did
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: that for me. And it also did for me this
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: other very profound thing. It made me stop looking at
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: people as a static thing. If I met a guy
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: and he's 40 and he's an asshole, I'm like, fuck
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: that guy. He's a fucking asshole. I don't think that
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: way anymore. Now, I mean sometimes I do if I'm short-tempered,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: if I'm in a bad mood, if I'm in a rush,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: under stress. I can have slips. I'm not perfect at this.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: But when I'm at peace, I look at that guy
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: as a baby. That's a baby. That's someone's little boy
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: and shit didn't go well for him. There was a
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: series of either bad decisions or bad experiences or bad
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: parenting or bad judgment or bad luck. And now here
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: he is, just a fucking mess. And that's why I
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: have a hard time seeing homeless people. It genuinely bothers me.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: I never see homeless people and I go, fuck that guy.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: I'll go fuck that guy if they're like getting close
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: to my kids and they're being aggressive and they're schizophrenic.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: But most of the time I think that was somebody's baby.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: That's somebody's baby.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I'm exactly the same. It completely changes your biochemistry. I
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: was talking to Huberman about this. And I really, hormonally,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I felt... I was always a bit selfish, a bit
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: single-minded in my swims and stuff. As soon as he arrived,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's it. Everything changes. It was crazy.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I think as well, it was strange for me because
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I lost my dad as well four years ago. And
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: then I was becoming a dad myself. So the Iceland
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: swim sort of existed in this strange world between the two.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: And that was like really... sort of big for me
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I even said you know my new book I talk
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: about how it's it's kind of this idea that um
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: the swim was almost a tribute to everything that my
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: dad had taught me but equally a letter to my
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: future son you know and I hope that they look
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: at that and go okay yeah all the values and
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: everything that I was taught.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Well just living the way you live just by example
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: would be an insane role model for your kid I
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: mean you're a very unusual person your your will is
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: very odd You know, the ability to do those kind
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: of things, I respect greatly. I don't want to do it.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I think it's retarded.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: But I respect it.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I agree. I respect it greatly. You know, I'm good
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: friends with Cameron Haynes. And, you know, he runs a
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: lot of these, like, really insane 200, 300-mile races. And
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: I respect it. I don't think it's good for you.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: But I get what he's doing. He's trying to find
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: out where his breaking point is. You know, he's trying
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: to push himself to his breaking point.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: That is exactly it.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: And I admire that greatly because that is a noble quest.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Whether or not you think it's smart, I don't. I
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: don't think it's smart. But I don't want to do it.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: But it is a noble quest. It is an absolutely
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: noble quest. And he is different than me. We are
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: all different. And everyone has this thing in their head
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: that they need to sort out. And sometimes the way
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: you sort it out is by doing something that's fucking
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: insanely hard to find out who you really are. And
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I think... I like to do it a little bit
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: every day. That's my method. My method is do a
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: little bit every day. When I say a little bit,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: like a couple hours. That's what I like. A couple
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: hours of torture. Every day, find out who I am.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: And when I take a few days off, I get nervous.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: I get confused. Who am I? I don't know. I
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: don't know if I could do this anymore. You know
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: what I mean? You know those feelings? I'm sure you
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: even get those. As many times as you take a
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: few weeks off working out and you start working out again,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, my God, am I really going to
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: put myself through this again?
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: It's so true.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Right? Am I really going to go swim for six
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: days again? What the fuck is wrong with me?
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: It's so true. But I was chatting to Huberman about
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: this because I'm so aware that my dopamine system probably
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: works a little bit differently. You know, in that someone says, oh,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: let's go do a 24-hour swim.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: I go, meh.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: And then they go, oh, three days past bears. I'm like, okay,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: hold my beer.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I'm in.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what's so weird. But I know
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: you and Huberman spoke about with your anterior mid-singulate cortex.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: And that's the only way that I can actually... For me,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: it was so interesting chatting to him because in my head, when...
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: your tongue is falling off or, or, you know, you're
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: just chafing cellulitis. I think of it like weighing scales
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: and you kind of got grit or quit pain and purpose.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: And at any point, the anterior mid cingulate cortex, that
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: part of your brain is just weighing them up. And
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: for me, you just need as much pain as it is.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: You just need to outweigh it with as much purpose.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: If you do that, you'll continue. If not, and I
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: think it's so interesting. I mean, I love the UFC.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: There are certain fighters who, if you did a scan,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: 100% their anterior mid-singular cortex would just be like this.
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  Speaker 2: network management details. I was going to bring this up earlier.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: One of the fighters got pulled from a car a
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: few years back. I can't remember when. But it was
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: because of exactly what you were talking about, like creatine
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: levels in his blood. And I was like, what? I
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: was confused at the time. I didn't know what that meant.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: I was like, creatine? What does that mean? He took
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: too much creatine? Like, no, his body is so broken
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: down from training, it's not safe for him to fight.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I'm like, how is that possible? Like, how does somebody
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: show up at the actual fight day blown out? Junior
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Dos Santos, fighting is worth the health risk because it's
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: everything to me. Was it Junior?
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: He got pulled from a fight? Yeah.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: So I think, there you go, rhabdomyolysis breaking down. Muscle fiber, treatable.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, but I don't think that he got pulled from
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: the fight. I think this is just what happened to
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: him in that fight. So that fight. So he had
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: two fights. Well, he had three fights with Cain Velasquez.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Cain Velasquez has the greatest cardio of any heavyweight that
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: ever lived. They used to call him Cardio Cain. It
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: was a freaky gift that he had. And it was
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: also his understanding of management of cardio was incredible. He
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: never threw anything full blast. Everything was like 60, 70%,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: but with perfect technique. And he would just never get tired.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Like never get tired. And the first fight, Junior Dos
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Santos caught him with a big right hand and knocked
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: him out. It was on Fox. It was a big deal.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Then they have this rematch. And the rematch, Kane's healthy.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: The first fight he went into with a blown out
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: knee and his knee wrapped up. He fucked up his
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: meniscus like in training. And then in the second fight,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: he's fully healthy and he mauls Junior Dos Santos. And
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: it's a war. It's a five-round crazy war where it
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: looks like they're both going to– well, it looks like
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Junior is going to die. It looks like he's going
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: to die. And then he does it again in the
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: second fight. They have a third fight rather, second rematch.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: The second rematch, the same sort of result. Kane just
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: mauls him. Like Kane was just– Kane was on a
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: completely different level to everybody else when it came to cardio.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Guys would get this 1,000-yard stare in the second round like,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: I can't do this for five rounds. I can't keep
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: this guy off me. It's impossible. And so if he
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: got Rabdo from that fight, I would not be surprised.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I bet a lot of fighters get Rabdo after the fights.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Because some of those fights, they're on death's fucking door.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: They're on death's door.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I think one of the worst has got to be
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Lawler- McDonald, right?
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. One of the craziest
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: life or death fights in the history of the sport.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: And they stared each other down in the final round.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: How about they're staring each other down and blood is
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: pouring out of both of their faces. Robbie's lip is
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: split halfway open. The whole thing was the end of
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: it when I was interviewing him. Half of his lip
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: is like open like a slice of pie. It's fucking insane.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: And he's saying how he's never going to quit. I'm
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: going to keep going and keep going. And I'm never
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: going to stop. And I was like, holy shit. This
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: guy just got through five rounds of the most violent
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: shit ever. Look at the two of them just staring
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: each other down.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: It was unbelievable.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Life or death. Like they got to the death's door.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: And Rory, when he collapsed, it was like his nose
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: had been shattered and the pain was just overwhelmed his brain.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: His body shut off and he just collapsed. He couldn't
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: take it anymore. It was crazy, too. Yeah. When they're
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: staring at each other before. the final round, like, motherfucker.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Is that the worst? Look at Robbie, screaming in the
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: crowd with his arms up.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: So what I think is going on there, there's a
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: few things. I think there's, like, stress-induced analgesia, the way that, like,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: an injured animal will bite off its arm to get
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: out of a trap. That must be going on. So
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: just pain suppression, norepinephrine, everything.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: There's also some fucking genetics. Robbie Law has got some
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: caveman genes, son. He's got some warrior genes. That dude,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: that's in his DNA. I've been watching that kid fight
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: since he was 20 years old. He's a fucking savage.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Like a savage to the core. One of the greatest
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: knockouts in the history of the sport happened when Robbie
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: was fighting up a division. So he was fighting this guy,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Melvin Manhoef. And Melvin Manhoef is a kickboxer, a very
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: high-level kickboxer who came out of Mike's Gym in Amsterdam.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Mike's Gym in Amsterdam is legendary. Produced Badr Hari. There's
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: like a series of like wicked kickboxers came out of
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Mike's Gym. And Melvin Manhoef sort of epitomized that style.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: They were hyper-aggressive. And Melvin is built like you. Like
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: look at him. So Melvin in this fight, Melvin is
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: chewing up Robby's legs. He keeps leg kicking him. I mean,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: he's punishing his legs. Melvin was so fast and so powerful.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: And they get in the exchange and boom, Robby hits
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: him with one punch and knocks him out. And he's
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: just out cold. Like, look at the zoom in on
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: his face. He's in the shadow realm right now. But
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: if you go to earlier in the fight, like what
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Melvin was doing to him, it was a crazy comeback. Like,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: go earlier in the fight. Melvin is all over him.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's so dangerous and so fast. Like, Melvin
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: was putting him in really bad spots. He kept rocking him.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: And when you talk about, like, high-level kickboxers, Melvin was elite. Like,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: perfect technique, ridiculous power and athleticism, and just a warrior spirit.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Just attack you. He would come out for his fights
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: with a dog collar on. But he would have, like,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: a spiked dog collar and be dancing, getting ready for
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: his fights. Terrifying human being.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: He's scary, but I think going back to the Berserker...
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: there's such a parallel between him and Alex Pereira. You know,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: that idea with the Jaguar style, embodying the spirit of
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: an animal. I mean, I don't know about Melvin, I
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: would be terrified if I was in the cage and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: I saw Pereira walking out.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Well, do you know the team, the Fighting Nerds? Of course, yeah.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: So the head dude, I'm blanking on his name, but
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: I was just watching this video about Carlos Brates, who
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: is one of my all-time favorites right now in the UFC,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: in the welterweight division. And one of the things they
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: were talking about is how he has his fighters mimic animals.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: And he studies animals and animals fighting to the death online.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: And that it's all about controlling the space. Like they
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: would give an example of the mongoose and the cobra.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: And it's not that the mongoose is faster than the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: cobra or more deadly than the cobra. It's that mongoose
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: is a master of controlling space. The mongoose is like fainting.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Like as he's coming into the cobra, he's like moving
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: in a little bit. Yeah, Pablo. Pablo is a brilliant guy.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: And he's the one– I mean they really are nerds.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Like they really do like data analytics and they study
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: moves that work and moves that don't work and what
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: happens and what percentage of time. Like he's got a
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: very data-driven approach to MMA training but also like super
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: open-minded because he's like considering animal movements.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the things that he was talking about was
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: mongooses and cobras. And they have this example and it
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: shows like these mongooses, they're essentially– like, juking with the cobra.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: They're fainting. They're trying to get the cobra to react,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: and they move back when the cobra reacts. But they're
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: trying to draw this cobra in and get a sense
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: of what the cobra's distance is. That's crazy. And all
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: of his fighters, particularly Carlos, is a master at controlling distance.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: He's always pressing forward, and then when you come at him,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: he slides away, and he's pressing forward, and you're always
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: in danger. You're constantly in danger. So you're always, like,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: on the defensive side And you're trying to get some
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: offense and it doesn't work. And then you're back on
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: the defense. Masterful.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: That's fascinating.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's almost lost. It was the 17th century writer,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: English writer, wasn't it? Samuel Johnson, who said, become a
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: beast to get rid of the pain of being a man.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: And I think so often we've lost that. Certainly for
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: me when swimming, in many ways, I was very much
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: inspired by the shark. You know, when I was swimming
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: very much like the berserk of the bear. And I
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: think some of the best athletes, like I said, I
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: love Pereira and his Jaguar style. Both feet on the floor,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: so constantly generating power. But yeah, Samuel Johnson, become a
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: beast to get rid of the pain of being a man.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Love that quote.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: That's a great quote and very applicable. But for most people,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: the journey, the path is just too daunting. Just the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: idea of it is just, oh, what am I going
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: to do? I'm going to start out a beginner and
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: just get humiliated all the time forever? Fuck that. It's
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: just like doesn't seem fun at all, you know, and
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: they don't want to do it. And so then they'll
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: dismiss it and talk. And then it becomes toxic masculinity,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: which is adorable. That was adorable.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: I think also what I found so interesting is, again,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: I was trying to hear about this, but the different
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: parts of the brain. So your ventral striatum, the part
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: of the brain that's almost... involved in expectation, reward, and reality.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: So to use a fighting example, when things are going
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: well for a fighter, what's happening? The ventral striatum is going, okay,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I've done this and that, and I'm winning. It's prime
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Conor McGregor. It's prime Anderson Silva. It's modern-day Ilya Topura.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: You know, everything's going well. But as soon as that
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: goes wrong, as something goes wrong, all of a sudden
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: dopamine plummets. Ventral striatum goes, okay, that behavior is now
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: not working. And I think it's been so interesting seeing fighters,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: the same way that when I'm swimming, I can get
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: caught in a countercurrent. There's been times where I swim
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: and they go, Ross, you've got to swim for four
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: hours to swim out of this massive whirlpool. I swim
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: for four hours, head down, head down like that. My
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: alarm goes off. I look at my watch. I go, guys,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: how far have we swum? And they go, Ross, you've
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: been swimming on the same spot. You've not moved. You've
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: just been swimming on the same spot for four hours.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting that it's not just losing.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: It's actually like the brain, the biochemistry just implodes. And
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: I think you kind of saw that, like I said.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: What happened in your mind when you found that you
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: were in the same spot for four hours?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, it's not just a loss.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Understanding the neuroscience of it, basically the ventral striatum going,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: this isn't working. Dopamine is no longer released. All of
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: a sudden, it is just like a dark biochemical cloud.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: And when you understand that, you can start to try
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: to process out of it.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: How did you get out of that?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked. There's another part of the brain
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: as well called the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, and that's involved
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: in strategy. So essentially, when you are completely losing, ventral
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: striatum goes, this isn't working. So when I'm swimming, tongue's
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: falling off, neck's chafing, cellulitis, ventral striatum, this is not working.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: And then you've got two options. Again, this is an oversimplification,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: but in my head, this is how I basically map
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: it out. Anterior mid-singular cortex, grit or quit, pain and purpose, discipline.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: You just do it because you said you were going
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: to do it. You just grit your teeth and get
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: through it. or dorsolateral prefrontal cortex over here, which is
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: more strategy. And sometimes you can just completely reframe what
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: you're doing. You can change technique and everything as well
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: when you're swimming, but sometimes just reframing that suffering. You know,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: a great man said, be the hero of your own movie.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: And I think looking at the hero's journey as well,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's so interesting where Joseph Campbell talks about
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: the idea of just kind of the hero slaying your
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: dragon in a most cave battling. So I think sometimes
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: that strategy is just reframing your suffering when you're constantly losing.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: And how long did it take you to get out
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: of that whirlpool?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: I think we were there for most of that day.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Most of that day. Because basically over the top of Iceland,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: it's like a giant bay. So you get counter currents, whirlpools.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: And eventually with everything that's happening, you'll eventually be able
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: to swim out of it.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Eventually.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can. Yeah. Jamie's dead. I'm dead too, bitch.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: I'm dead too, bitch. How much can you swim? Can
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: you swim good? Yeah.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, what do you mean?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: What's the challenge?
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: What do you want me to do?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, like in a fucking whirlpool in the middle of.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: The ocean, dog. It's 20 degrees out.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: I could probably... I don't know how strong of a
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: runner until I've never been tested.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: I'd be dead in 15 minutes. 15 minutes, I'm underwater.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: In the ocean. I could probably save someone.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: You could save someone?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: Depending on the waves.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: You know who would save somebody? Greg Fitzsimmons. Did you
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: ever hear that story? Didn't he tell it on the podcast?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't go out, though. I wouldn't test my.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Some lady was on vacation. Some lady was drowning. He
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: jumped in the water and rescued her.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was offshore, and I guess the riptide caught her.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: And Greg risked his fucking life, went out there and
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: grabbed her and helped her. What a legend. Legend. I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: was like, damn, dude. I'm like, did you think at
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: one point... Because his family was there, too. He was
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: on vacation. I was like, do you think that maybe
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't be able to make it back? Did you
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: worry about that? He's like, yeah.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Because it's crazy. People don't understand.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Drowning people are dangerous.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Because they'll hold on to you and you won't be
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: able to get them to relax.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: And then they won't let go of you and then
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: you're both drowning.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's in ice on the south coast. It's called Reynisfjorda.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: It's considered literally one of the most dangerous beaches in
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: the world. And they have these sneaker waves that just
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: come from nowhere. And we were there and I think
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: it was a family. I think it was a little
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: girl who lost her life. But witnessing it as well.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: There were so many tourists who thought it was fun
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: to run up as close as they could. And as
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: the waves crash over, they get a selfie and they run.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't want to be like, oh,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: here we go.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: We go what the fuck dude that's like some shit
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: right out of Lord of the Rings look at that
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: that doesn't even look real that looks like Mordor.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: The sneaker waves from there they will come from nowhere
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: and they were just absolutely yeah fuck you there you
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: see the tourists there I.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere near that shit fuck you.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Oh there you go so you'd have tourists when we
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: were there and I felt I was so conflicted because
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, look, I don't want to be a
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: killjoy or anything. There's people taking pictures while sitting on
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: those rocks, and then you just saw massive waves. We left,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: and then an hour later, we saw helicopters overhead. We
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: heard ambulances, and we knew the worst that happened.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can die. You can die doing that. A
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: guy who was a WWE wrestler died a few years ago.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: He got caught in a riptide, right? Is that what
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: happened to him?
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: That's what I was thinking. I was saying, I think
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: that was on Venice Beach or Santa Monica.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think it was in Venice. Yeah, man,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: it's fucking terrifying. If you don't know how to swim,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: the ocean is a monster, man. Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Even on certain parts as well, when you get wind
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: over tide, that's the worst. The tide's going one way,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: wind's going the other. And we get what's called the overfalls.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: And swimming over there, it was nuts. The waves, they're
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: not rolling anymore. They're detonating. That's the only way I
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: can describe it. It's just going off around you. And
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: when you're swimming in there as well, what's happening underneath
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: is all the jellyfish are just getting smashed on the rocks.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: So as you're swimming, jellyfish tentacles are literally going up
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: your nose and your ear. You're inhaling them as well.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, great. That's got to be good for you. Jellyfish
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: can fuck you up too.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They'll sting the shit out of you, especially the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: wrong ones. The ones in Iceland are all right, but
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: I think after you take maybe like five or six,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: they start attacking your lymph nodes. You start scratching under
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: your armpits, over your groin.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: My youngest daughter got a little bit, just a touch
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: from a jellyfish in Costa Rica. And oh my God,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: it was horrible. She was in agony. It was terrible.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: And they keep like stuff on the beach that you
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: pour on them because it happens so often. And people
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: get zapped by jelly. It's not, they're not dangerous. They
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: don't kill you, but they fucking hurt like hell. Yeah.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: Dude, the ocean itself is just like, like what's interesting
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: about all those people in that photograph that's in that video,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: they're watching and standing. Isn't it fascinating how people are
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: drawn to that abyss? They're drawn to the majesty of
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: that water, just the vastness of it. There's something about
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: that that I think is really good for people. I
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: think it's one of the reasons why people like going
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: to the ocean and sitting on the beach. I think
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: there's something about that that just calms people the fuck
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: down because it puts you into perspective. It's like, hey, bitch,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: look out at all that fucking water, okay? You can't
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: live in any of that, all right? You are so nothing.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: And that's why I think beach towns are so chill.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: Beach towns are not like, why is downtown Manhattan so
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: beep beep, fuck you, everybody's hyped up? It's because they're
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: surrounded by people-created shit. If you're just standing there staring
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: at the vastness of the ocean, you're like, all right, relax.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: And then at nighttime, you see the stars, too. You
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: see the fucking Milky Way. And then there's the ocean. Like,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: all right, this is clearly I'm not that important.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: I'm barely anything.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent. And like we said with Iceland, with
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: some mushrooms under the northern lights.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Especially on the last day of your swim. It's like
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: the universe letting you know you did it. You completed
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: your journey. Fucking bananas, man.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: This is exactly it. But I love what you said
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: there as well. I mean, certainly on the swim, it
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: was so interesting. Sometimes I try to swim with gratitude
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: as much as I can, you know, swim with a
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: smile and you're just grateful to be there because I
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: love David Goggins and I've tried his form of motivation
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: where it's, you know, man up, grit your teeth, get
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: through this. But for me personally, after a hundred days,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: I can't keep calling myself a bitch. I'm just like, oh,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: have a day off.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: Listen, David is a very unique character. I don't know
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: anybody like him and I don't recommend it. I don't
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: recommend you becoming him. Good fucking luck. You have to
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: have that demon inside of you like that guy does.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: He's a sweetheart of a guy, though. I love him
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: to death. But that fire ain't going out. He's 50
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: years old. That fire is not going out. He does
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: things where people aren't watching. That's what's crazy about David.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: It's not all these things where people get to see.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: It's not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: He calls it being in the lab. Every day he's
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: doing it. Dude, every day he's out there running 20 miles.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: He runs with a weight vest on. He gets in
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: from that. He does weights. He does chin-ups and push-ups.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: It doesn't stop. It doesn't end. And then the next
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: day it's another thing. It's another fucking insane thing, and
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: it never ends. And no one's watching. No one's watching.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: It's not being documented. He's just doing it. And then
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: every now and then he'll go out and run some
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: fucking 200-mile race, and everybody's like, what the fuck, man?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: And he's also got no knees. His knees are completely
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: blown apart. He's got bone on bone on both of
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: his fucking knees. He's had multiple operations where they had
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: to actually, his bone had grown so fucked up that
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: they had to chop his fucking leg in half and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: pull it down so they could make it level. Because
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: the bone, it's like called, what is it called? Wolf
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: syndrome or some shit? Where they grind against each other
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: so your body tries to protect itself by building extra bone.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: And when it builds it, it fucks up the geometry
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: of the knees. They don't work correctly. So then you're
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: running like bone on bone with fucked up geometry and
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: you get back pain and all kinds. So he had
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: his fucking knee sawed off and had shifted downward and
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: then screwed into place. And you know what he did?
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: He just got on a fucking bicycle and he started
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: using a bicycle then. And so he's fucking indoor cycling
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: all day for five, six hours. I had something similar actually.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Yes. Subacromial decompression with my shoulder. which so often weightlifters
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: will get it, but they said we've never really seen
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: it in a swimmer, but it was exactly the same.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: I needed to have the bone shaved down to make
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: room again.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was that left shoulder. The right's always
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: been fine.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: So when they shaved down the bone, did they have to,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: is your cartilage okay?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cartilage was fine, and it was, you know.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: It was just the bone?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Keyhole, yeah, just there. Yeah, just went in, shaved down
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: the bone.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: How much bone did they shave down? A good amount, yeah.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: Did you get like a little cup of it to save?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: I should have asked, shouldn't I?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: You should save that.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: But I love what you said there as well, because
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: I just think Goggins taps into something that so few
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: people want to almost address. Carl Jung talked about it
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: with your shadow self, you know, that part of your
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: psyche that you don't want to reveal to the world.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Are you aggressive, jealous, hyper competitive? Again, it was Nietzsche,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: wasn't it? Whoever fights monsters should see to it that
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: they too don't become a monster. If you stare into
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: the abyss too long, the abyss will stare back into you.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what Goggins does brilliantly. Or Jordan
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Peterson as well. You know, the The problem isn't having
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: a monster. It's making sure you can't put it back
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: in the cage.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what Goggins does so well. And
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: I did take inspiration from that on certain swims as well, where,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: you know, reading a few comments online, people go, he's
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: never going to do this swim. He's too big to
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: be a swimmer. This is going to fail badly.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: That is the weird thing about you, though. Like most
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: endurance athletes aren't that heavily muscled.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? That is very odd. And
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: I've showed pictures of you to my friends. And I
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: was like, I want to talk about people who have
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: done crazy shit, and I've detailed some of the insane
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: things you've done, some of the insane swims. And they're like,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: how is he doing that when he's that jacked? I'm like,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: that is weird, right?
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a few different things to unpack.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: So the first is you just need bulk. So going
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: back to biomimicry, and we're talking about that a lot now,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: but I think what's so interesting is I want to
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: become more whale-like. I think absolutely. You look at a
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: pool swimmer, they are poetic in the water. They're amazing.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: They look like dolphins and mako sharks. that would be
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: useless for me when caught in an Arctic storm.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: You need strength.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Strength and bulk. Yeah, muscle mass being thermic so I
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: can generate heat with every single movement. But equally on
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: top of that, I think it's also really interesting that
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: through my strength training, it's called mechanotransduction, just basically means
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: people think of strength training as improving the strength of
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: the muscles. But it's connective tissue, ligaments and tendons that
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: respond to that mechanical stimuli. So for me, when swimming,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: I need the connective tissue. The tendons in my rotator
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: cuff need to be bulletproof. because that's what's going to
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: give up. This swim isn't going to stop because of
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: my VO2 or lactic threshold. It's going to stop because
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: something tears. So that's why being like this, I'm not
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: as fast, but I sacrifice that for being more physically robust.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: And I think finally, this is something as well, which
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: is really interesting at the moment. So I'm a huge
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: fan of Cam McAvoy. He's the 50 meter world record
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: holder for freestyle. And he's just rewritten the rule book
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: on swimming. Basically, there's a direct correlation between your one
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: rep max on pull-ups and your swim sprint speed.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really, real strong correlation. So he's now basically doing
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: one rep max with pull-ups with 80, 90 kilos and
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: just speed reps as well, Joe, just ripping. And you
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: see what he's done. He's barely swimming. 90 kilos? Yeah,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: he's an absolute savage.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Isn't that like 185 pounds or some shit? What is that?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on his Instagram recently, he did it with 80.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: He's an absolute specimen.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: And how many chin-ups is he doing that way?
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: I think he was doing about three. He's an absolute specimen, yeah.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: So that's swimming, that's sprinting. So obviously that's not endurance.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: But taking inspiration from that, you have what's called your
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: strength reserve. So strength reserve just basically means if you
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: are capable of doing a pull-up with 100 kilos, that
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: means your own body weight is basically a smaller percentage
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: of what you're capable of. Here we go.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: Is that him? There he goes.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: 80 kilos.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That's insane. What is it, Jamie? Did
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: we figure out what that is? I'll ask my phone.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: It's 2.2, so it's like 176, I think.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: What is 80 kilograms in pounds? But look how strict
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: and how casual.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 176. That's crazy.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: He's amazing.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: And he's completely rewritten the rule books when it comes.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Like I said, 50 world record holder at the moment.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. He's doing that three sets of five with
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: 50 kilograms. And so this is just to generate strength for.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: The sprinting aspect of swimming.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: Exactly that. You think about it. If your one rep
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: max on pull-ups is so good, every single stroke is
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: almost like a unilateral, a single limb pull-down. So he's
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: just ripping through the water like that. But what's been
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: really interesting is traditionally you used to just swim for
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: miles and miles. It was almost, we call it like
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: garbage yardage, that you're just swimming, swimming, swimming. He was
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: swimming sometimes in his sets like 800 meters, which is
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: my warm-up. But it was just all flat out. So
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: he's revolutionized swimming. So that's sprinting. But what I've taken
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: from it, like I said, your strength reserve, basically, if
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: you're capable of a huge one rep max on pull-ups,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: it means that every single stroke that you take is
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: a smaller percentage of what you're capable of. I think
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: the best example I can think of like this is
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: a good friend of mine, Eddie Hall, World Strongest Man,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: first guy to deadlift 500 kilos. He entered a CrossFit
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: competition and there was a particular WOD. It was 60 kilos.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: There's a brilliant video if you've seen it, Jamie, but
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: it's 60 kilos. And you see these CrossFitters, they're up
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: to overhead and it's a clean and it's a beautiful
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: push press. But because Eddie is so strong and he's
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: got such a big strength reserve, he basically, as you're
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: about to see now, just, I mean, that's a front
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: delt raise mixed with a row.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. If you don't know, that is so much
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: harder to do it that way.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: 60 kilos, I believe, 60 kilos. And so, like I said,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: the CrossFitters, perfect technique. They clean it to the chest.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: And then they are bending their knees and they are pressing.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: That shit ain't even touching his chest.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. It's a front delt raise, kind of with
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: a row.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: That's literally insane. If you don't know, that's literally insane.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: But my point here is, I mean, Eddie's an absolute specimen.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: But my point here is, he doesn't train for this.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: This is completely, he doesn't, this isn't his thing.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: Clearly, because he doesn't do that movement. At all. If
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: he did that movement, he wouldn't be doing it that way.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: But he's got an immense strength reserve. And so that's crazy, dude.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: That's crazy, dude.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Actual time and he broke the record.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: That is so insane. That's so insane that he did
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: that that way. Now watch a regular crossfitter do it.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: Can you show a regular crossfitter do it? Regular, but
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: you can find it. Regular crossfitters, they catch it on
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: their chest.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Is exactly it.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: And then they step back.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: It's a poetic technique. And so that's my point. So
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: coming back to the swimming, that as strong as I
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: get when I'm strength training, it just means that every
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: single stroke over the Arctic Circle is is a smaller
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: fraction of what I'm capable of.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. That makes sense. And then you have
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: to be able to have that fine line between endurance
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: and bulk.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: It's exactly.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: So muscular endurance and, you know, but also having strength.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: Is exactly it. I think also what was really interesting
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: in that MRI scan revealed. So you have slow twitch
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: fibers that are very resistant to fatigue. They're your ultramarathon runners.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Then you have your fast twitch fibers that are sprint speed, power.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: And what was so strange is on my MRI, they said, Ross,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: you have an unusual proportion of fast oxidative glycolytic fibers.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: So they're basically in between the two. They're able to
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: produce a lot of force, but they're very resistant to
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: fatigue as well.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: Is that cultivated? Interesting.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: They said, I think I had a genetic predisposition for that.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: But with the amount of training I've done, I've also
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: nurtured it.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Now, how do they know that you have a
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: genetic predisposition for it if they didn't examine you before
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: you started all this training?
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: It was all theory. Yeah, they said anything.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's my question is I wonder how much
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: of it is adaptable. I wonder how much of what
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: we say, oh, he has a genetic advantage. Like, are
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: we sure? Or did this guy's body change because of necessity?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: It made intuitive sense when they said that.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: What would you call that, a clean press? What Eddie
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: Hall did?
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: No, it's part of a workout called the Isabella.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Jamie. It's called the Isabella? Oh, here we go.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: It's called the Isabella. So this is Noah Olsen, who's
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: an absolute specimen, by the way. I think he's competed in.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: More CrossFit games. Catching it and then using his legs
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: to complete it. So he's doing it awesome. This is
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: perfect technique. Look at that. Catching it. Oh, so they're
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: not catching it on their chest and pressing it off.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: No, so that's a snatch.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: It's like a snatch press kind of something.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, so he's... So it's called the Isabella.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: But do you see the rest, I suppose, between sets
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: compared to the Delros? And like I said, Noah's a
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: good friend. He's an absolute specimen.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: What is the term WOD? What does that stand for again?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: Workout of the day.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: What is it? Workout of the day? Workout of the day.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: And EMOMS is reps per minute, right? Isn't that what
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: it is? Where are we? Okay, so this workout of
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: the day is a whole bunch of these?
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, 30 snatches. I think this one's different, actually. It
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: might be different.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's 30.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: Why did Eddie just said that he did that particular
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: Isabel benchmark workout in 50 seconds?
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: I think that's, I mean, that's just what I'm going
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: off of. I was trying to find out.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: If it's something different, my bad.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: No, but yeah, it does illustrate.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Beating the previous male record previously associated with figures
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: like Rich Froning, but Rich Froning's like way smaller than him,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: which is crazy. That he could do that. Because it's
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: the same weight, right? Is it the same weight they're
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: all using?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it will be 60, yeah.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: That's even nuts that Rich Froning could do that with,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: because I don't think his body weight is anywhere even
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: close to that. Eddie Hall's 300 plus pounds, right?
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: He's got a bit leaner now as well.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's getting smaller. Well, he's done some MMA fights
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: and shit.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, with Tommy as well. Did you see he went
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: the distance as well with Tommy Fury? Yes.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: I think they both won that fight. It was amazing
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: in that no one expected him to go that far.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: You know what I was really impressed with when he
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: had a boxing match with The Mountain? And what I
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: was really impressed with was The Mountain. I never say
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: his name correctly. How do you say his name?
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Thor Bjornsson.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: Bjornsson. Bjornsson.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: Thor Bjornsson, yeah.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: He didn't use his strength. He was throwing punches with
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: perfect technique. He was throwing punches like a boxer. Like
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: he learned how to, whoever trained him, they did an
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: amazing job. Because the guy's obviously got ridiculous power, but
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: he's like throwing punches correctly. And he dropped Eddie Hall
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: a few times, whereas Eddie Hall's just winging at him
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: with these wild power shots. Thor is moving around him,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: and look, see how he's throwing his technique? It's very clean, man.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: Even his jab, look at that. He's not overextending. I mean,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: he clearly is like a new boxer, but a very
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: good athlete. and is figuring out how to use his
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: technique and recognize that the power is always going to
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: be there because he's so fucking huge. He dropped him
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: a few times, at least once in that fight.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: I find that amazing when sometimes the laws of martial
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: arts sometimes need to be slightly bent for people that size. Again,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: having rolled with certain people, you get an armbar and
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: they just stand up with you.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's a problem. Marcelo Garcia, who's the giant killer,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: he famously would just go for necks. Like, because he
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: felt like Kimura, like he, obviously he knew how to
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: use a Kimura. He was a very high level black belt,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest grapplers of all time, if not
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: the greatest. And Marcelo never hit Kimuras. He would just
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: get necks. So he became a neck specialist. So his
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: whole thing was a high elbow guillotine and rear naked choke.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: If he got your back, you're fucked. And that was
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: how he was able to defeat much larger opponents because
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: you can't really defend. If he can get that rear
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: naked choke around your neck and stop the blood to
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: your brain, That's it. You go to sleep. You can
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: not tap. If someone gets you an arm bar, you
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: can allow your arm to get broken. And I've seen
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: it happen a lot of times. But what you can't
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: do is stop a guy from choking you unconscious. And
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: so Marcelo, being as smart as he is and being
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: a small guy, he's like 160 pounds, he just figured, okay,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: I'll just get everybody's neck. And he just became a
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: neck specialist.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: See, I love what you said there as well because
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: I often think the best athletes are the best at
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: doing what they do best. And what I mean by that,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: whether it's ultramarathon running, whether it is CrossFit, World's Strongest Man,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You lean into what you're really good at.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: You sort of Khabib wrestling, you know, Pereira striking.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: It's just you just drill what you're really good at.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: I think for me, swimming, certainly that's what I've sort
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: of honed in on. I'm like, look, I'm not going
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: to be built like Michael Phelps. I don't have this poetic,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: nice stroke. But what I can do is just get
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: crazy strong for an endurance athlete. So my strength reserve
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: is so much bigger.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: And do something really insane like swimming for three fucking days.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: That's the thing is like most of these guys are
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: just not gonna be willing to do that. They're willing
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: to do a race because in a race you just
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: go all out and it only lasts for a few
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: seconds and when it's over, it's over. You do that
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: and you can turn around, the shore's right there. You
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: have to keep going. You have many days in front
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: of you and that's just a completely different thing.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: I think that's it because I've always, I was brought
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: up with my dad and my granddad telling me stories,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: one of athletes, but two You know, the heroic age
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: of Antarctic exploration when Edmondson, Robert Falcon Scott, Shackleton were
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: trying to get to the South Pole. And you know
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: about Robert Falcon Scott and Edmondson, the contrast in what
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: they did. You know, with Edmondson, just Norwegian efficiency to
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: get to the South Pole. So it turns up he's
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: learned so much from those indigenous in the Arctic, learned
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: about dogs. All of the crew were gifted in cross-country skiing.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: In comparison, the British guy, Robert Falcon Scott, brought ponies
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: that fell through the ice, mechanical sleds that broke down,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: tinned food, terrible.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: What was so.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: Interesting, as they got there, Admanson even knew, as he
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: got to the South Pole, he had a certain amount
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: of dogs. And then on the way back, he knew
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: he could start systematically eating the dogs on the way back.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: Whereas the British, Robert Falcon Scott, refused to do that.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: They were just handling, manhandling all of their sledges. And
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: when they got there to the South Pole, they saw
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: the Norwegian flag there already. Then were forced to trek back.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: And I mean, one of the most harrowing, it was
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: Lawrence Oates, whose foot was badly injured. And he just
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: knew that he was holding up the team. And then famously,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: as they were caught in a blizzard, he just turned
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: to the team and just said, gentlemen. I'm going for
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: a short walk. I might be a while. And he
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: just walked to his death to try to make sure
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: that his team made it.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: And they didn't.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: They didn't, unfortunately. And I think it's that idea of
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, civilization and survival. You know,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: you have to go to a strange place sometimes to
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: actually make it. And I think that's that was almost
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: the appeal for my career in inverted commas, if you
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: could call it.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the appeal to people that are watching for
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: sure that you're clearly going to some strange place where
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: you could die. you know, and that's why people like
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: watching your, what would you call? I almost said stunts,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: but that's disrespectful. I would say, but they're not stunts. They're,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: you know, journeys.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they are. Yeah. In some ways when we're, we're
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: raising a noble way of saying, I appreciate that.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Right. It is.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: I always say they're almost these sporting spectacles that we
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: use as a Trojan horse to deliver ocean conservation. So
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: I don't mind stunt at all.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: Well, that's good that you're doing that. Yeah. I mean,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: obviously that's good. You know, I mean, uh, I think
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: that there's one area of the world that we really
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: are disrespecting, and that's our oceans. And when I say that,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: I mean we can't keep pulling fish out at the
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: rate we're doing. It's nuts. If you talk to fishermen,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: and if you talk, like the people that have done surveys,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: obviously the ocean is enormous. It's very hard to understand.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: But the middle of it is not where everything is.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: Most of the life on the ocean is near the shores,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: or at least reasonably close to the shores. 90 fucking
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: percent of all big fish aren't in the ocean anymore.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: Like all these tuna men that used to fish tuna
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: way back in the day and catch thousands. It's a
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: lot less now. It's, and no one is even thinking
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: about it. And, you know, there's regulations that some countries
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: have on the way they're allowed to fish, but some
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: countries don't follow any of those fucking regulations, you know?
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's, and what we've done to the, you know,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: fun fact, This is how Somalians became pirates. So Somalians
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: became pirates because they were fishermen and they were all
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: just fishermen. They were just peaceful fishermen living in Somalia.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: And these different countries were dumping toxic waste off their
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: shore and it was killing all the fish. And so
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: they first started kidnapping these people who were dumping these
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: boats filled with toxic sludge or whatever the fuck they
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: were dumping, nuclear waste, whatever they're dumping into the ocean.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: And demanding a ransom because these people have caused them
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: so much loss because they, their fish are all dead.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: And then they thought about and said, well, fuck this.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: Why don't we just kidnap people? And so that became
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: their new sport. So the fish are all dead and
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: they were on that. What is that stuff called? Cat.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: Is that what it's called? So there's a, there's a
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: narcotic that they take called cat and it's a leaf
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: that you chew.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: Is a nut.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Is it a nut? It's a leaf. It's a leaf.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, it's something that you chew that gives
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: you like an amphetamine-like state. Like, look at me. I
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: am the captain now. Like, that's cat. You're messed up.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: You weigh 80 pounds. You've been up for seven days.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: And now you're kidnapping people. And so that's literally Somalia's history.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: So when you look at, like, the Somalian scams that
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: are happening in America— And you look at, like, this
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: stuff that's going on in Minnesota. Like, how do all
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: these Somalians get involved in all these scams? It all
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: goes back to Europeans poisoning their water.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah. Russian, I think. I think Russian poisoning. I
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: don't want to blame any countries. But someone was dumping
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: toxic waste in their water, and that's what started it
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: all off. That's true, right? I think they called themselves
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: the People's Coast Guard of Somalia. That's how they started
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: it off.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: They don't have a long history of pirates. They don't
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: like Blackbeard or any shit like that. This is a
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: fairly recent in human history turn for their culture. And
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: it probably led to a lot of other criminal activity,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: if you think about it. Like if the core nature
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: of your civilization gets shut off, the core nature is
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: you're a fisherman, right? You live in a village. You
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: all catch fish. That's what you live off of. All
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: that gets shut down. People go into desperation mode. People
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: start taking cat. They're probably taking cat already. But they're
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: doing amphetamines, and then they're kidnapping folks. Next thing you know,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: you're getting machine guns. You get all that money. Now
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: you got a fucking– you got carbines.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Is that cat legal? Can I take that when
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: I'm water tested or?
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think it is. I think it's, I think it's,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is in America. We probably
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: have it scheduled one. How Somalians fishermen became pirates.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: It's 2009.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: It's mostly just says that once they lost their government,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: it became a free for all right here.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: I do think that was part of it as well.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: Fishermen just kind of got pissed.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: I think that was part of it as well, but
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: I think there was an aspect of it about poisoning
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: the water.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it probably came up later because this is
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: still 2009. This is right when it was kicking off, really.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: At this time, when this article was written, it said
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: they had 18 cargo ships being held.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: Okay. See, I think this is everything that already started
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: to fall apart, and I think it started to fall
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: apart when the fish went away. If I remember correctly,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: this was quite a long time ago I read this.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: But see if you can put it into perplexity. Say,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: is there a connection between Somali pirates and offshore dumping
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: of toxic waste that led to depleting of their fishing grounds?
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: I didn't ask that exact question.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: I just asked, what was the reason they started taking ransoms?
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: But see if that factors in. See if it says that.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: If you say, was there an aspect of it where
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: they were kidnapping people who had poisoned their water? Kidnapping...
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: people who poisoned their water. Isn't AI wonderful? I know
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: it's going to kill us all. Not necessarily. People they
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: kidnapped were not all people poisoned in water, right, but initially.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: There were serious reports and allegations of foreign companies dumping
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: hazardous waste off of Somalia. However, a UN environmental OCHA
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: account said two years earlier, UN fact-checking missions found no evidence.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: Probably because the UN was dumping... And it's post-tsunami inquiries
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: did not identify specific dumping sites. So they were kidnapping people.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: Poisoning their water is much more definitive than the evidence supports. Yeah.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we know the problem with AIs.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: It's pulling from all these different sources online.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe the story I read was biased as well. But
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: the story that I read was sort of a sympathetic
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: take on why there's so many pirates. Not sympathetic. But
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: an understanding take, like they're saying, like, you need to
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: understand that this is a chain of consequences, a chain
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: of events that took place. And one of those things
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: was people like for sure someone's dumped toxic shit into
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: the ocean. We know they do that. And so it
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem that far of a stretch to imagine that
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: that initially started off a crash in their economy. If
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: their fishing lands were poisoned.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Go and try and sort it out. I'll do a
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: swim there.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: Don't do that. Yeah, swim and dress up like a
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: dollar bill.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: I think I could. Over there or what? Straight up
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: on the news.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: In a gold boat. Get yourself in a gold boat
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: and put a sign that says we have no guns
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: and go have fun. That would be amazing.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: I re-asked and it gave a different answer.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, some Somali pirates explicitly ascribe their attacks as retaliation.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: for toxic waste dumping, not just illegal fishing. Previous answer
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: understated the reporting behind that claim, but it does not
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: establish that the crews, they kidnapped themselves dumping waste. Right,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: they probably just found people offshore and said, you were dumping.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: I'm the captain now. Okay, 2008 pirate spokesman. Oh, they
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: have a spokesman. I wonder if he was elected. I
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: wonder how he became spokesman. You think you had a campaign?
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: You think people had like signs on their lawn? Elect
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: Joanna Ali Jama for spokesman of the pirates. Described a
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: ransom demand as a way of reacting to the toxic
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: waste that's been continually dumped on the shores of our
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: country for nearly 20 years. Oh, shit. 20 years is
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: a long fucking time. But I believe that. The report
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: connected that claim to the captured MV Fina, a Ukrainian
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: ship carrying tanks and military equipment. Not a vessel identified
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: in the report as a dumping waste. But what a
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: great ship to bust. Imagine you get a fucking boat
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: that's got tanks and military equipment. Now you got yourself
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: a motherfucking army dog. Environmental accusations weren't solely a private invention.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: In that reporting, UN envoy, boy, say that guy's name.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: Help me out.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not even going to attempt that one.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: Almadou Olud Abdallah said the UN had reliable information that
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: European and Asian companies were dumping toxic waste off Somalia.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: UNEP spokesman Nick Natal described Somalia as a hazardous waste
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: dumping ground, but said insecurity prevented a proper scientific assessment
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: of the problem's extent. Listen, man, people love to dump
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: shit in the ocean, these fucking assholes. Like, you know,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: you remember when that kid got killed in Egypt? He
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: was at a resort in Egypt. He got killed by
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: a shark.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: I think I saw the video.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: It's a horrible video because he's screaming for his father.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: He's screaming for his father. So what we had heard
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: and we looked into it, it's not conclusive, but it
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: seems like they were dumping sheep carcasses in the ocean.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: Like when they had sheep carcasses, they didn't want to
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: just laying around rotting. So they would put them in
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: a boat, take them out to sea, and dump them
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: in the water. So what did that attract? What do
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: you think that attracted?
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: Some sharks.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: And so then these sharks were in that area. And people,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: there was a really beautiful resort. People go, take their families,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: go on vacation in a fucking monster soup. Monster soup
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: right out there. I'll tell you, make fucking soup out
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: of their dicks. Pull them out of the water, serve
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: it up. We need to go back to shark's fin soup.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: These fucking people think sharks are their friends.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: So do I need to swim Somalia and sort that
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: out then?
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think you do. I think you should probably
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: stay out of that. Maybe that'll be the one that
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: kills you. Whatever the fuck is in that water. 20
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: years of toxic dumping, that's not good. You don't want
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: that in your skin.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: No deal. Going back to the cardio, I wanted to
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: ask your opinion on this. Best cardio in the UFC
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: or MMA actually in history. I'm going to put some
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: up there. Murab.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: But Rob is probably. Yeah. Bisping had phenomenal cardio. Bisping
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: would melt people. I remember his fight with Jason Mayhem Miller,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: who was very talented.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: Bisping just melted him. Just his pace was insane.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: Nick Diaz?
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: Nick Diaz, insane pace.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: Nate Diaz also.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: Also incredible cardio.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of these guys now. We're in a
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: realm now of athletes. Joshua Vann, insane cardio. Insane cardio.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: Insane cardio. Joshua Vann, who's the flyweight champion, the fifth round,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: fights like he's in the first round. Insane. The level
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: now is at an all-time high.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: That's why Cain Velasquez was so weird, because it just
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: didn't make sense.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: Didn't make sense.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Demetrius Johnson and the smaller guys, you're just kind of like, yeah, yeah,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: you're not inhibited by gravity the same way. But with
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: Cain Velasquez, you're like, you shouldn't be able to do that.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: DC told me Cain would take a couple months off
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: of training. He had an injury, had to take time
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: off of training. Come back three months later, fuck everybody
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: up at the gym. He said in cardio drills. He
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: said it was nuts. He said it was nuts. He
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: said his base was just insanity. Meanwhile, he lost the
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: title to Fabricio Verdum in Mexico City at altitude because
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: he was only there for two weeks. And Fabricio Verdum,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: he got a place to train in the mountains above
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: Mexico City. So Fabricio was living it like. I think
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: it was like 9,000 plus feet above sea level and
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: training up there. And so he had phenomenal cardio and
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: Kane actually gassed out in that fight. And Fabrizio caught
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: him in a guillotine to win the title.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: I remember. Yeah.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. That was a big moment because nobody had
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: ever not just beaten Kane that way, but beaten Kane
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: with like where Kane was tired. Like you never saw
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: Kane tired.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: It just shows you that altitude training is fucking critical, man.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: If you want to compete at altitude, I was showing
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: you the hypoxia chamber that we have here, the Exalt,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: I think it's called the Exalt XP hypoxia trainer. It
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: is so hard to work out at altitude. But if
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: you can do it, I did it in preparation for
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: this hunt that I did in Utah. And so I
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: did it for two months. And I was very rigorous.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: I was very regular. I was doing two really hard
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: cardio workouts every inside that thing a week. And that's
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: all they recommend is that don't do more than that
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: because you'll get to a point where you can't recover.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: Like you want two, maybe three once you've built up,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: but I never got to three. Made a giant difference,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: giant difference. Like I could really, because I go to
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: the same place every year and at the highest point,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: it's probably 9,000 feet. Sometimes you're at 5,000, 7,000, but
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: you're walking up like very steep, loose dirt at 5,000, 7,000 feet.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: It's hard. It's really hard.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: So you could feel it physiologically?
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: 100%. I could feel that I had more gas, 100%.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: That's amazing. Yeah, a big difference, big difference. And I
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: only got to do it for two months, and now
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking I'm getting ready for next September. I'm like,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: if I can do it for a whole year, if
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: I could do that twice a week for a year,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: that'll make a giant difference by the time September rolls around.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: I think that's going to change a lot of the way.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: I think that particular type, training when you're training at
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: like that machine can crank you up to above 20,000
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: feet above sea level I've only done 14 I've done
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: 14 5 that's the highest I've done it's it's insanity
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: there's no air in there man there's no fucking air
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: in there and you're doing sprints on the air dime
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: machine you're doing sprints on the treadmill and doing kettlebell
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: swings and it's like when you get out of there
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: man it's like your body gets this rush of oxygen
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: As soon as you open the door, you're like, oh,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: my God. But then once you recover from it, the
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: next time it's a little bit easier. And the next
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: time it's a little bit easier. It's like you feel
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: your body adapting because it's like, oh, shit, we got
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: to do this. So in a real world scenario like
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: what we are here, like what is the sea level here?
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: What's the altitude here? 500, 600 feet. It's nothing. It's nothing.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: You feel like there's so much fucking air you can
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: run through a building. That's what it feels like. And
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: I think that's. a game changer. And so many of
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: these like really high level camps have chosen to train
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: at altitude. You know, you have a bunch of them.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: Obviously the Dagestanis, they train, I don't know what, what
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: is Dagestan? What is a Dagestan above sea level? I
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: got it. It's in the mountains.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: I got to say they're probably 4,000, 500, 5,000 feet.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: You know, obviously they have the Olympic training center in
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: Colorado Springs. I think that's about 5,000 feet, you know, and,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: They have actually both.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: They have areas below sea level that are down by
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: the Caspian Coast, and they have mountain peaks. Average elevation
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: is 500 meters, though.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: So it's like 1,500, 1,600 feet.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's enough for an adaptation.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: Max is what? That's a peak.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: It's a mountain peak. It's 14,000.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: Max is 14,000. But some of these mountain towns, like
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: where Khabib is, where's he at? I know they do runs.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: They do runs at altitude. You know, as does, like,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: the guys in Denver.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in a high spot.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: 2,000 meters above, so 6,500 or so, where he is sildy.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, so he's pretty high. 6,000 feet is high. So
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: if you're training at that altitude, that's akin to Colorado
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: Springs or a lot of these places. You know, Justin
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: Gaethje's coach, Trevor Whitman, he has a lot of his guys.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: They do runs in the mountains. They do these runs
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: uphill in the mountains.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: On limited water as well. Some good stuff now around
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: dehydration training.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: That's Justin's big thing. He will not drink water while
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: he's training.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: Controlled dehydration. Yeah.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, Jesus. The Khabib up there. That view is insane.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: So there is a weird story. There is a method
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: that could make you a faster runner. And I'm going
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: to apologize now. This is a little bit left field.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: But I was in Namibia. I was learning from the
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: sandbushmen out there.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: How do you organize that?
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's a documentary.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: Through WhatsApp?
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So we are out there doing like a marathon
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: a day for the entire week. Barely any water.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: It was horrible.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: One particular guy out there. And they're amazing. They're just
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: gliding across the sand basically as well. I'm just like
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: heavy running, trying to keep up with them. And there
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: was one particular guy in the tribe as well who
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: could trace his ancestry back to the Curlagin tribes. Did
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: you know about the Curlagin tribe?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: So it's basically an ethnic group specific to Kenya. Oh,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: you've already smashed yours. I'm still working on mine.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: Come on, dog.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: Let's get in here. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: Talking shit. Let's go. Sorry.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: So basically, Curlagin tribe, ethnic group specific to Kenya, produce
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: more amazing marathon runners than anywhere else. It's disproportionate just
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: how good they are with this particular group. group of people.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: And as we're sitting around the campfire, they turned to
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: me and they said, this guy goes, Ross, do you
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: know why we're so good? Do you know why the
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: Kurdish are so good at running? And I said, altitude.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: And he went, nope.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: And I was like, barefoot running, some beautiful biomechanics. Nope.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: Circumcision. Oh, you know it. Yeah. And crawling through needles.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, you know it.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: Crawling through thorns.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: You're right. But with the mud as well.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: And they don't pass on. Yeah.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: Circumcision as a grown boy with no... no, nothing, no water,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: no cleansliness, no, no anesthesia. Just they cut it. I
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: think he's, he's a knife, right? Or a sharp rock.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: The theory goes that he was saying that basically with
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: the circumcision, you're basically as a young man in front
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: of the entire tribe, they all come out and they
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: put clay, like mud on your face. And so you
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: have to like, just sit there. And then basically the
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: guy takes the chief of the tribe, takes your tackle.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: And then with essentially a tackle, I like that. Takes
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: your tackle, circumcise you. You cannot flinch. If you flinch
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: and the mud cracks, all of a sudden in the tribe,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: everyone will be like, oh, he's not very desirable. So
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: you don't basically find a girl. You don't have kids.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: And only those where the mud doesn't crack, they're considered
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: desirable and they pass on their genetics. So generation after generation,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: you're passing on this pain tolerance. And in the end,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: you end up Curligan tribe. Just unbelievable runners. Yeah. I mean,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: he looked across and said, Ross, do you want to
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: be faster? Pulled out a knife. And I was like,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: I'm good.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: What if you're already circumcised? What is he going to do?
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: Take it back an inch? Fuck, dude. What does he
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: do then? Like, I want in, but the problem is
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: they did me when I was a kid. Didn't even help.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't have to crawl through thorns. Nothing. Yeah, you
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: have to crawl through thorns with your bloody dick.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: And you can't wince. Can't make any noise.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: That's the whole point, yeah. and then you can't react
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: to the pain those who don't react consider desirable they
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: pass on their genetics generation after generation you just get
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: this incredible.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: Are you gonna show me a video Jamie how dare you.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: It's paused I just that's what they look like put
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: the mud on.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: Their faces I think oh boy getting ready some lady
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: talking about it.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah fun times and then you just gotta remain there all.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: That just to run yep I hope somebody beats him
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: that doesn't do that.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: Well, it's funny you said that, actually. So do you
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: know about Emil Zatopek?
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. The greatest endurance runner, in my opinion,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: to ever exist. He's amazing. So basically, to this day,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: no one's ever done what he did at the Olympics.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: Helsinki Olympics. Won the 5,000. Won the 10,000. And then
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: turned to his coach and he just went, I think
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: I will run marathon tomorrow. And his coach was like, no, no, no.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: This is a terrible idea. You should not run the marathon.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: It's completely different events. You know, over... Twice as far. Emile,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: this is a terrible idea. And he turns and Emile
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: just goes, who is the favorite? And it was a
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: British guy. So that was the British guy. He's everybody
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: thinks he's going to win. And Emile goes, OK, no problem.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: What I do, I will run on his shoulder. And
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: then just at the end, before we get into stadium,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: I go boop and I run around and I will finish.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: And the coach is like, please, Emile, this is just
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: you've got two gold medals. Please, let's just leave it there.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: And he goes, no, no, no, no. This documentary is amazing.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: It then cuts to the British guy who's older and
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: he's recounting this this entire race. And he says, I
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: am I'm running and things are going well. And then
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: I I feel on my shoulder. I see this this
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: a meal just pops up on my shoulder and a
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: meal turns and he goes, I am.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: I've never run marathon before. So I don't know if
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: it's too fast or too slow. And I thought to myself,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: you shit, I'm going to mess with you. I'm going
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: to mess with your head. So I turned and I said, no, no, no,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: this is far too slow. We're in trouble. thinking that
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: would break him. And Emil just turned and went.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: No problem.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: I will see you at finish line and ran and
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: won three gold medals, Helsinki Olympics. The reason I tell
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: that story as well is not many people know. So
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: his training, next time you're down an athletics track, he
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: used to do 100, 400 meter sprints.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: What? In a day?
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: Not a day, but he pioneered interval training. People didn't
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: think you could train that hard. There he is. Wow.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: What I love as well is how he ran. He
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: ran like he'd been shot in the leg. That's not Emil.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? There he is. There he is.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: So he runs like he's been shot.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: In the leg.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: It's an ugly technique.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: His head's wobbling.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, I think this is the marathon. So this
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: is after he's already won the 5,000 and the 10,000.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: And here he is. It looks like he's in agony.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: So, and the story goes with that as well. And
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: this is what I love. So with somebody like him. 100,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: 400 meter sprints. But his wife was an amazing javelin
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: thrower as well. So date night for them is they'd
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: go out and his wife would just like launch the
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: javelin and he would.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 5: Go and get it like a dog.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: And be like, here you go, babe.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: She'd be like, thanks, babe. That's hilarious.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: He used to run with his wife on his back
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: through the woods. And then sometimes when he wasn't able
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: to run because it was snowing too much or conditioning
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: wouldn't allow him, famously, he would get in the bath
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: and just basically just tread on dirty laundry as well,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: just to try to just clean it as well. So
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: Emil Zatopek, to your point, I always find it fascinating
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: that sometimes when you talk about people who are, you know,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: I've been training so hard, I've sacrificed so much. I'm like, yeah,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: that's great, but I don't want to go against an
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: Emil Zatopek, someone who just loves it, someone who just
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: date night is running out their intervals, bringing back.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: Well, have you heard of that race they do where...
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: It's a race until everyone else drops out.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: Of course, backyard ultras.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But there can only be one. One person can win. Oh, yeah.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. I think Chris Williamson was talking about it.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: A mutual friend of ours was talking about Mark Dowdle,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: who was just basically like hunting and like just stalking
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: the competition. And it was called the Last Soul Ultra.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: So Mark Dowdle, when this guy stopped to tie his shoelace,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: Mark was behind him. and just hunting him like prey.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: And they had them on the night vision. And I'm like,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: what is going on? It's just mind games.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: And so one person eventually doesn't quit.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: Everybody else quits.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: How long did they go?
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: These guys, I think there's, the current record, I swear
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: somebody did something like 91 hours. Yeah. It's just nuts.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: It's just nuts. I swear.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: I think it was Phil, Jamie, if you find it.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: He recently, yeah.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, here you go.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: Mark Dowdle.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: That's when he won the Last Soul Ultra. 95 laps, 636.5 kilometers.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: Last Soul Ultra. Oh, my God.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: But he talks about it as well. What I love
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: is he talks about actually... collecting their souls. So at
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: the end, you're basically given a trinket, which has got
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: everybody's soul on it, and he's there like some ancient
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: warrior holding it up.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: In a way, he's kind of right.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go, yeah.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: He ran for 94 straight hours without sleep to win
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: the Last Soul Ultra. 94 hours is crazy. Like, what
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: was he seeing? What was he seeing at hour 92?
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: How many elves did he come into contact with? For
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: sure he saw elves, right?
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: There he is.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: There's him on loop 72.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. And the thing about him, too, is
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: he's kind of a bigger guy.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: I believe his background was lacrosse as well. So he
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: weight trains, which goes back to what I was talking
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: about before, about mechanotransduction, strength reserve. That you're that you'd
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: say that doesn't make sense for an ultra endurance athlete.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: But again, I would argue that his biomechanics are just
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: perfect and they won't break down compared to somebody who
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't have that strength background. So there's a backyard ultra.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: He's actually doing it at the moment, I think.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: 94 hours is bananas.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, that was an update from now.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: That video I just played was right now.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're doing it now.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: So I think it's Team America.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's happening right now?
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 4: It's on loop 54 right now. Or this one, two
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: hours ago.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: And he's just on social media just talking for everything
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: Loop 54. How many days ago was that? This is
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: 20 hours ago.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this morning.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: I was at noon.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: He talks about on the first 24 hours, he's just like,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: that's just your ticket. That just gets you in the race.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: It's now it begins. And that's after 24 hours.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: What a legend. Oh, my God.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. 94 hours is crazy.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: It's nuts. It's nuts. I mean, for me, on some
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: of my swims as well, just those hallucinations, like when
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: they start. Probably one of my worst was Loch Ness.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: And that was before everything went really bad. Loch Ness
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: is basically really narrow. And when you look up at night,
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: it looked like there was loads of trees. But the
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: trees almost formed the silhouette of like a cruise ship.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: I remember being like, that's really weird. I'm eating a
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: banana and I'm looking up and all of a sudden
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: the branches start waving. And to me at the time,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, it looks like people have come to
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: the side of the cruise ship to support me. So
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: my girlfriend's watching and all the crew and I'm just
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: there eating a banana and I'm going, guys, thank you
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: so much. Your support means especially two o'clock in the morning.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: God bless you guys. Thank you like that. And my
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: girlfriend's like, oh, he's talking to the trees. Like, he's
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: thanking them for their support. So sometimes, oh, here you go. Yeah,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: that's when he's stalking him.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: He's just waiting behind him.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: And he's like, what are you doing? But what I love,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: it's all mind games at this point.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: I'm not going anywhere.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: I think the reason I love Mark as well is
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: because he's bringing a level of gamesmanship and mind games
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: that wasn't really seen in Ultra Endurance.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: Right. They're all supposed to be super supportive of each other.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And I think you see in other sports as well.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: But you can't be super supportive if there's only going
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: to be one person standing. Exactly.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: Exactly. I mean, one of my favorite examples in MMA
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: was Yuri and Pereira, where they were talking about no
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: shamanic ritual. And I'm like, look, whatever.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: Yuri was saying, don't use any voodoo, please. Don't use
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: any magic.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is the greatest time in the
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: UFC when someone's going, you're not allowed to use magic.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: I want a clean fight, no magic.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. I mean, on that note, who do you
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: think is the best at mind games in UFC history?
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: Chael Sonnen.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: Chael Sonnen's really good, but Conor McGregor's pretty damn good too.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: Conor McGregor, when he fought Jose Aldo, he had Jose
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: Aldo in a funk. Because Aldo was a legend, and
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: he was respected by everyone, and Conor was just continually
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: disrespecting him. And just mocking him. He stole his belt
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: famously at the press conference. He was in his fucking head.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: But obviously that backfired against Khabib because that shit didn't
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: work on Khabib. Khabib was on top of him, punched
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: him in the face saying, let's talk now. Let's talk now.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: He just punched him in the face. Let's talk now.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: And Conor was trying to say it's only business. He's like,
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: come on, we're talking.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: This is what I find so strange. That if aliens
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: came down to this world and you had to explain
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: to them, like, who is the best mixed martial artist?
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: You'd go, okay, so here's Khabib. devout Muslim, doesn't drink,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: lives in the mountains. And you go, oh, cool. So
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: that's the blueprint. And you go, oh, well, no. Sorry,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: so there's a guy, John Jones, over here.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: It does coke. It fucks everybody up. There's outliers. There's outliers.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: There's outliers. There's always these Bo Jackson characters that can
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: do anything. There's people out there in the world that
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: are outliers. And it's very unusual when you stumble across them.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: It's one of the things... We love watching an outlier.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: We love watching someone who's just so unique and different
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: than everyone else. Wow. We love that. Like Michael Jordan,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: Tiger Woods, someone who's just above and beyond. Wow. We
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: love that.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: That was it. Definitely looking at the hero's journey with
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: Joseph Campbell, good versus evil. And with the whole Daniel
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: Cormier and John Jones rivalry, I was like, oh, this
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: is it. This is amazing. This is you know, the
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: good and evil. And then you have something like John
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: Jones who just goes, oh, no, that's not. For me
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: in boxing as well, it was Mayweather and I loved
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: Ricky Hatton as well. So when you saw Mayweather there,
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: like if it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: on the bags. And then you got Ricky Hatton having
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: a cup of tea with his grandma and you're like, oh,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: this is it. That's so wholesome.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: That's a little bit of bullshit, though. Ricky was a
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: fucking animal. He was an animal. Ricky separated a lot
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: of people from their consciousness. He was an animal. That
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: was just a skill thing. Right.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: But Daniel Cormier is a good one. They're teaching kids wrestling.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, this is amazing.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, John's not a bad guy. He's
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: just an animal. I mean, he's cut from a different cloth.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: You know, there's people in this world that are just wilder.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: You know, and it's one of the reasons why he's
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: so good. There's a certain element if you want to
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: be a professional cage fighter. You have to, there's a
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: certain amount of, you have to have all these things.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: To be the GOAT like John, you have to have
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: all these things. Like, perfect technique, incredible work ethic when
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: he does work, amazing talent, and an IQ for it.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: That's a really underrated factor. Because John knows what to
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: do with each part. Famously will not take a fight
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: on short notice. Even with a guy like Chael Sonnen, Who,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: on paper, you can wake John up at 3 o'clock
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: in the morning, he's going to fuck Chael Sonnen up.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: On paper. No disrespect to Chael. He's a great fighter.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: But there's levels, and I think John is just on
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: a complete— and he's a larger man, right? Chael did some
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: of his best work, almost won the title against Anderson
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: Silva at 185. John is never making 185. He's a
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: much bigger man. And John would not take a fight
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: with Chael Sonnen on short notice. And when he did
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: take a fight with Chael Sonnen, he fucked him up
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: in the first round. He just annihilated him.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: Even with a bad toe.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: Well, he smashed his toe in the process. He was
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: pushing off the ground so hard that he twisted his
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: own fucking toe around. I think we isolated it in
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: a replay where we could see the moment where his
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: toe snapped. And it was because he was delivering ground
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: and pound with such force that as he was pushing off,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: he snapped his own toe and turned it around. And
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: to this day, when he fights, he has to tape
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: those toes together. To this day.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite Jon Jones is the armbar with
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: Vitor Belfort.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Completely hyperextended. But it's another example of, like,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: guys won't tap if you break their arm. You know,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: they will hang on. And then he wound up winning
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: that fight by Kimura in the next round. Yeah. He
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: got through that where most people would have tapped. His
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: arm was fucked. And he couldn't fight for a long
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: time after that because he had to rehabilitate that arm.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: His arm was fucked. Yeah.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: Going back to the.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that. I mean, that is. And also
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: that's Vitor, who was a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt under
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: Carlson Gracie, elite armbar. And then he wound up tapping
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: Vitor in the next round.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: Even with his fight with Gustafsson as well, it just, like,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: going back to that anterior metingulate cortex, it just must
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: be massive in him as well. Who do you think?
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's obviously Gaethje. Who do you think is
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: one of the most durable, one of the most?
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: Gaethje's probably the most durable guy ever, which is, like,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: incredible that Max Holloway knocked him out like that. But
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: other guys had stopped him before, too. But that's just
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: a part of being a human being. If you're a
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: human being and you get hit by the greatest fighters
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: in the world, you get stopped. It's just how it is.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: It's just like there's– if you get hit clean, no
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: matter who you are, some guys are more durable than
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: other guys. But no matter who you are, if somebody
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: head kicks you, if somebody hits you with a wheel
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: kick or something like that, you're most likely going to
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: go unconscious or close to it. That's just a part
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: of the game, a flying knee. Very few people can
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: survive that. It's just– it's like one of those things
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: where you get hit and you just– Did you see
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: the fight this weekend or two weekends ago, rather, with
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: Johnny Walker? Oh, no. Yeah. Johnny Walker hit this dude
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: with a knee from the thigh clinch.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: A heavyweight.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just separated him from his consciousness.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: And this guy's a massive 265-pound man that he did
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: it to. And it just proves my point. It's like
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: no matter who you are, there's certain things if you
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: get hit with them, You just can't take it. You
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: just can't take it. And with, you know, the Max
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: Holloway fight with Justin, that was in a five-round war.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: He had been beaten up because he got hit with
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: a jump-spinning back kick to the face at the end
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: of the first round, shattered his nose. So his nose
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: bone was broken. So he's compromised from the end of
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: the first round on. And then Max is hitting him
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: with all these shots. And then finally in the fifth round,
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: in a fight that Max is winning, Max points to
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: the ground and says, let's just stand and throw. And
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: they just wail at each other. And Max famously knocks
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: him out. Like one of the greatest. But that's not
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: indicative of how durable he is. It's like most people
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: would have never made it to that fifth round. He's
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: insanely durable. And that's why you saw that fight with
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: Ilya Toporia. He weathered that second round and came back
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: strong in the third. He's insanely durable. Like maybe the
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: most durable guy in the sport. And the most calm
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: under fire. Like he never, it never changes his expression.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: He never looks lost. Even when he's getting hurt, he
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: never looks out of it. He just looks hurt. But
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: he's always like, like he went back to his corner
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: after the second round with Teporia. Teporia dropped him with
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: a liver shot. He goes, nice liver shot. He said,
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: nice liver shot. He got me with a nice body shot.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: He was like complimenting his opponent for hitting him in
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: a good spot. He was like that calm. Like that
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: was nice. Nice liver shot.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's almost like Emil Zatopek. It's genuine.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: You've seen him in the corner. He's having the best time.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, you're wired different.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: He's wired different. Justin's wired very different. He's wired very different.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: He's very smart. He's a smart meathead. People think of
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: him as being a dumbass because he's silly and he
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: does backflips. Uh-uh. He's thought it out. He knows what
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: he's doing. He's doing things that are very intelligent in there.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: And he has a bunch of things that he does
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: that he does better than anybody else. And one of
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: them is the uppercut from the collar tie. He does
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: this collar tie uppercut and he hits everybody with it
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: because he's a really good wrestler. Even though he doesn't
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: use his wrestling in MMA, he started out as a
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: wrestler and he's a very good athlete. And he's got
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: this collar tie uppercut that he catches everybody with. And
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: he pulls you into that uppercut, man. He fucks a
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: lot of guys up with that. That's one of his
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: signature moves.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: But you've spoke about it as well with his wrestling
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: in the past. I think this is so interesting. Going
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: back to what we said about the ventral striatum, the
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: part of the brain that when things aren't going well,
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: it almost implodes, like losing feels so bad. But I
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: think wrestlers are just used to just getting beaten up,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: beaten up. One of the best examples on the swim,
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: I have a friend who's in the special forces. I
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: was just every single tide, every single swim, I was
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: just behind, I was behind. It was just, again, like
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: I said, just biochemically, neuroscience, I was just imploding. And
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: he turned to me and this really helped to sort
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: of change my perspective on things. He said, Ross, in
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: the special forces, we're not seeing how well you can win.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: We're seeing how well you can lose time and time again.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: I said, well, what do you mean? He goes, there
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: was one particular exercise that we did. Basically, you're on
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: the assault bike, heart rate over 180 and they're checking
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: heart rate monitor. So you are redlining, coughing up a lung, breathing.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: They get you off the assault bike. They take you
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: into a room. There's a guy there who's like six
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: foot six, just huge. And then there's a door behind him.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: And they say, OK, you need to get past him
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: behind that door. Your friends, your platoon regiment are over
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: the other side of the door. So they just run in.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: This guy, six foot six, is there just holding you.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: And then there's a guy with a clipboard in the corner.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: Guy with clipboard gives a nod.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: Bang!
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: Knocks them clean out. He's out cold. The next thing
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: he knows, he's being brought back round with smelling salts.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: And he gets up like that. And there's in his
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: face going, do you want to quit? Do you want
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: to quit? And my friend at the time was just like, no. No,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: I'm good. And they said they let him up. He
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: goes again, starts wrestling. This massive six foot skirt waits
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: for the signal. Guy with a clipboard nods. Bang, knocked
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: down again. Did it three times, brought them back round.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: And then they go, okay, you passed, you passed. What
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: was interesting is my friend said one guy actually made
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: it past and got to the door only to find
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: it was bolted shut. You were never going to win,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: like ever ever. But that's not what they were testing.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: They were testing your ability to lose time and time again.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's terrible for you.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: No, it's bad. But that idea of just sheer adversity.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: The idea is interesting. However, concussions, repeated concussions can change
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: a person's life.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: You knock a guy out, a big giant guy knocks
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: you out three times. That's a terrible idea.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: You sure he was punching them? He was punching them
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: in the face?
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: The way that the story was told to me, yeah.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: I know. I mean, there's some selection. Some of my
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: friends in the Special Forces, some of the stories they
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: tell me about selection, I'm like, that is brutal. But
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: then you realize that's why they're mentally bulletproof.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: Do you know who Mr. Ballin is on YouTube? No.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: A really interesting guy. He's got a great YouTube channel
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: where he tells all these crazy, spooky, mystery stories. But
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: he's a Navy SEAL, a former Navy SEAL. And one
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: of the things that he said about what the people
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: that make it through BUDS, two people that do really well,
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: two groups of people, one of them is wrestlers. Because
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: they're just mentally tough. They're training and constantly being dehydrated
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: and tired and just pushing and taking satisfaction being the
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: most miserable. That's one of the things that wrestlers do.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: They take satisfaction suffering the most. They do really well.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: And then water polo players. And then I was like, wow,
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: why water polo? And then I didn't know that water
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: polo players never touch the ground. They're constantly treading water
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: while they're playing that fucking game. Well, you have to
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: be in insane shape to be in water polo. I
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: never would have thought of water polo.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: You know that was my background, by the way.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I played England schoolboys all the way through
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: to international.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: Well, that makes sense.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, but I love that you brought that
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: up because it's absolutely true. Again, there's a famous, very
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: famous match. It was basically called Blood in the Water,
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: and it was the Hungarians versus the Soviets. And they
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: were at war. So they were actually at war. The
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: Hungarians were training under gunfire, bombs going off and everything.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: They then drew each other. I can't remember the name.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: It might have been the Melbourne Olympics, I believe, in
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: the semifinals. They drew each other. There's famous pictures where
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: basically the water just went red. blood in the water.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: That's what it was called, the match. And they just
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: go at it.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: So they were at war with each other in real life. Yeah.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: And then they drew each other.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: So the Hungarians were at war with the Russians and
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: then they went to war in volleyball, in water polo.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: In water polo. Yeah, they got put against each other
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: and they just go at it. It's nuts. I mean,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: even like, you can't see, but under my tongue. It's
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: all a little bit of a mess under there because
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: I remember I was playing water polo. We were in
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: the south of France. I come over the top like that.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: And as I do, I catch an elbow and I
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: just like bite down. My tongue must have been out.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: And so it cut my tongue in half. And then
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: I remember you then have to defend. It's kind of
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: like basketball, constantly back and forth. It's that quick.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: Why you got a mouth full of blood?
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, there we go.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Blood in the water. Yeah. So they're just fighting
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: each other.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Hungary won, I believe, 4-0.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: You have to be in insane shape to do that game.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: They're trained. I always found this interesting because I made
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: the England schoolboy squad at 13 and I was playing
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: against under 18. So I was the wrong side of puberty.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: And I was just like playing against these just like
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: men who were trained in like water jujitsu. So I
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: would throw a punch and then I'd just be under
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: the water.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: So you fight all the time in that?
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: All the time.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: So it's like hockey.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: It's exactly, yeah.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: Hockey in the water.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: It's exactly that.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: So one guy's holding me down.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, that might be my new favorite sport.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: Are they still allowed to fight?
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. If you put on YouTube, just put underwater fights,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: water polo, just put it on and they'll have cameras
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: at the Olympics.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: And it's absolutely, I mean, also.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: In the Olympics currently, you're still allowed to fight? For sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, some of the women.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: Are they allowed to fight in the Olympics in hockey?
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: That's weak. Weak sauce. That's part of the game. I mean,
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: I come. They have boxing. They have boxing in the Olympics.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: You won't let people fight in hockey. That's whack. Agreed.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: But yes, back to my tongue. I come over the top.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: What'd you say, Jimmy?
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 4: Strictly prohibited in the Olympics.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: Strictly.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: Certainly not in water polo. You still see it.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: So in water polo, they still get after it.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: The women's game is worse as well because obviously they've
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: got more of a suit to grab hold of as well.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: Pulling boobs out.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: There are boobs that come out.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: There are indeed.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: But yeah, come over the top. Bang. Take base. And
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: it splits my tongue in half. And I remember I
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: then sprinted back to defend because they were, Ross, defend, defend.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: So I sprinted all the way back. And you can
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: imagine now blood is just pumping around my body. My
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: heart is going nuts. And I stopped. And there's just
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: blood everywhere. Like the whole water has just turned red
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: around me. But I don't notice. I think it's somebody else.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: So I go, guys, guys, stop, stop.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: Someone's been here. And then I look and everyone in
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: the stands is looking at me. And as they did,
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: I remember it's almost like, you know, when you've got
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: like toffee or something in your mouth stuck in your teeth. Well,
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: that was my tongue. So I was like, I was
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: trying to spit whatever it was out. And then I
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: looked and it was just flapping. And they were like, no, no, no,
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: you're done. And they sewed it up. That's why it's
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: a mess underneath.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: How long does that take to heal?
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: Weirdly, the tongue heals really quickly. So it wasn't too long.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: I was good in about a week.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: It was pretty bad. But it's the same in Malta
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: as well. So it's huge in Malta. But out there,
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: they will just put goals in the middle of the
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: sea and just start playing.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: So we would go out, and if you're in gold
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: and jellyfish come over, that is just part.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: Of the game. Warrior people. Let me see water polo fights.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 4: It's not that exciting.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: Not that exciting?
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 4: No, it's tough to see.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: We'd have to curate and find a good one.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of dudes in really small bathing suits.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: It's moving very slowly because it's underwater.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 4: And it's also in slow-mo.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's slow-mo. Also, they're showing these guys hitting each
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: other in slow-mo.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 4: It's really hard to catch it, I think, as fast
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 4: movement's happening.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: It's just the amount of endurance that you have to
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: have to play a game like this. How long are
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: your periods? Like, how long are you playing for?
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: Depends on the age group. Yeah, four minute quarters, four,
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: five minute quarters.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: So for four minutes, you're treading water and sprinting.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: It's weird. You're exactly right. It's swimming mixed with BJJ.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: Whoa, people are fighting. Yeah.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: It's swimming mixed with like, I mean, Hungary are amazing.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're smacking each other in the face and shit. Oh,
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: that guy's choking that guy. Oh, they literally hold on
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: to each other.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: And then they swing it. Oh, this is crazy.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. This is crazy. Oh, my God. This
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: is crazy.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: It's pretty standard. This is just, yeah.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: This is normal.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: Even at a local competition, that's pretty standard.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: No wonder why these guys make good seals. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: It's you're literally drown-proofing yourself. Like there's sometimes when I'm
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: caught in an Arctic storm. I'm like, it's not as
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: bad as playing Hungary. The amount of times I was
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: so close to drowning. That's crazy. And I think especially
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: as well, I was always so young. Like I said,
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: I made the under 18 England schoolboys team when I
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: was 13. So I was the wrong side of puberty.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: And we were playing against Malta at the time. And
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: they were just like big, like beards playing against Hungary.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: And I just learned very quickly to be comfortable being uncomfortable.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: You know, that Justin Gaethje stress inoculation training that ever
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: since when I swim now and they're like, Ross is
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: an Arctic storm. I go, still got my tongue.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: Fuck, dude.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: It's not too fat.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: You know, we were talking about Carlos Prates in that
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: video that I was watching about the fighting nerds, about
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: how the guy like emulates animals and stuff. One of
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: the things that they were talking about is how Carlos
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: had a losing record early in his career. He's like,
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: Or close to it. It was like five wins, four
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: losses or something like that. It wasn't doing well, the
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: first nine fights of his career. And then he decides
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: to go to Thailand. And he flies to Thailand. And
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: the only way to make any money in Thailand is
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: you have to fight. So he winds up fighting like
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: every week. So he fights like six times in a month.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: And he's like fighting constantly. But because of that constant fighting,
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: then he gets like really accustomed and calm fighting. He
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: has over 100 Muay Thai fights. So he's fighting all
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: the time. And it just becomes relaxed to him. And
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: so when you see him fight, he's always smiling and
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: having fun in there. It's because he's fought so many
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: times that he's sort of that fear of whatever that
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: experience is like. For most people, it's like this daunting thing.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: They lock the cage door. Holy shit. This guy is
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: smoking cigarettes the week of the fight, smoking cigarettes the
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: day of the fight, drinking, partying, just dead relaxed when
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: he gets in there and fucking everybody up. Literally, world-class
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: fighters like Jack Della Maddalena, who was the former world champion,
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: beat the fuck out of him in his home country
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: of Australia. Just beats his ass in a ferocious way
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: where you're watching like, wow, the level, the gap between
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: them is so vast. And he's, just essentially a product
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: of that, of just like being in the fire for
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: so long. You just get forged, like constantly fighting.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: See, I love that. That goes back to like the
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: ancient Stoics. Epictetus famously, I love this term, he said
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: getting wintered. He said that wars were fought in the summer,
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: but what you do in the winter has a profound
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: impact on how well prepared you'd be. So they would
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: just be doing a cold, hard winter's training. The Spartans
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: as well famously would be given essentially a loincloth and
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: just been told to endure the winter to fight, you know,
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: for your food. You know, so you just create these
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: crazy warriors. And I think now we're getting modern versions.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: I think the closest, you know, our mutual friend, Liam Harrison,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: but he's just, he's wired different.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I told him he fights like he has rabies.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's the best way to put it. He's like
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: a little demon.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: But what I love.
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: About Liam is, if anyone's ever spent any time around him,
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: and he won't mind me saying this, but He's like vibrating.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: He's definitely got ADHD. But now there's so many studies
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: with fighters saying those with ADHD actually process things so
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: much quicker.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: I don't even believe in ADHD. Oh, you don't? No.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a disease.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: Or that your dopamine works differently.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a disorder. I think it's a superpower.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: I think we are conditioning children to sit in a
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: classroom and do something that's insanely boring. And some people
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: can endure it and God bless them. And some people
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: are not designed for it, and I'm one of them.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: And I don't think ADHD is a problem at all. Oh,
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: I agree. Not a problem. I think it's a superpower.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: I think it gives you the ability to concentrate on
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: things that you love to an extent that most people
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: cannot fathom. I agree. You get obsessed with things. I
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: could play pool for 10 hours in a row, and
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: I don't eat. I just drink coffee and play pool,
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: and I don't have any problem with that. And everybody
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: else wants to quit. I want to keep going forever.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: That's ADHD. And I see it in other people that
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: are great at things. Gordon Ryan, for sure, he's got it.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: He fucking trains 365 days a year. It's both things.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: It's discipline, but it's also this obsession that comes from
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: if you were in school, they would say you have
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: a disorder. There's something wrong with you. Why can't you
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: sit down and do this boring shit all day? Well,
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: because I don't like that. But if you sit those
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: kids down in front of a computer and let them
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: play video games, look at all the concentration they have.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: Look at all the focus they have. Look at how
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: locked in they are and what they're doing. I don't
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: believe in it. I believe it's a thing. I don't
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: believe it's a disorder. And by the way, I'm not
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: unsympathetic to the varying degrees that people suffer from all
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: sorts of disorders. I think for some people it probably
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: is some sort of a real genuine issue, right, where
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: they can't focus it and it's not something they can
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: concentrate on. Other things that they love, they're just constantly scattered.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about that. I think it's entirely over-diagnosed.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: And I think there's a lot of people that are
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: just people that are just not wired to follow the
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: standard norm of what I think is a very boring
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: structure of most schoolwork and most school. Most of what
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: you have to endure when you're a young kid is
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: sitting down when you have the most energy. You just
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: woke up, okay? You're fully rested. You ate breakfast. It's
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: probably filled with sugar, and you're just fucking piping. You're
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: sitting in that chair going, Jesus Christ, I don't give
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: a fuck about Hitler. Why am I in this class
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: worrying about World War II? I'm 10. I want to
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: go outside. I want to play ball. I want to
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: run around with my friends. I want to do fun things.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: This sucks. And they'll tell you, you need to get
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: on Ritalin. You know, they'll say, Billy can't concentrate. Billy
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't know how to count.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: I completely, because I think to that point, exactly. Friends
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: of mine have said, like, Ross, you have definitely traits
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: of ADHD. And again, I'm the same as you. I
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: don't like that term because I always just say my
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: dopamine works a little bit differently. And what I mean
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: by that sometimes as well is even understanding the sort
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: of biochemistry on 400 milligrams of caffeine and then maybe
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: like cognizant for acetylcholine as well.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: What is cognizant?
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: It basically is a supplement, a nootropic that will positively
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: interact with acetylcholine, which is a neurotransmitter that is less
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: jacked up. You're just kind of dialed in and focused.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: That and alpha-GPC. If I take that combination... I am
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: just dialed in and just swimming every single stroke. I'm
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: just there like going, good, high elbow, good.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: Are you constantly filling up in that stuff? Are you
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: replenishing your stock as you're swimming?
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, alpha-GPC, I know Huberman talks about you have to
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: cycle that, so that I will. But certainly with caffeine, cognizant,
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: I'll be having that pretty much on most swims.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: Alpha-GPC, you have to cycle in terms of how often
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: can you take it?
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 1: Huberman talks about every two days and then three days off,
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: I think, that sort of cycle. Yeah, you can build
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: up a very quick tolerance to it.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: Interesting, two days and then three days off. But this
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: other stuff, cognizant... You said, so what is in that?
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: So that's the ingredient, that's the nootropic. I hope I'm
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: getting this right.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: So it is an actual, it's not a combination of things?
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. And that affects acetylcholine, which is
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: amazing just for their focus.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: Do you ever take acetylcholine by itself?
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: No, so that's the neurotransmitter.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: Or alpha-GPC, do you ever take that?
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, alpha-GPC, yeah, there you go.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: So it's a patented, branded form of acetylcholine. A natural
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: brain nutrient and nootropic ingredient used in dietary supplements, energy drinks,
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: and functional beverages. I like that term. Functional beverages. Isn't
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: every beverage functional? You know, you're getting hydrated, you're getting drunk,
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: you're getting caffeinated. These are functional.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: But will you do that as well? Whether you're training
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: or dialed in on something, you'll know how your brain runs.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 1: You'll say, yeah.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: You know what really helps me is creatine. Creatine is
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: a big one. And I only become aware of that
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: over the last, I don't know, a few years or so.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: how much of an effect it has on mental focus.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that they've shown is people
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: with sleep deprivation, that when you were sleep deprived, when
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: you take, I think it's 10 or 20 milligrams. It's
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: a lot, right?
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 1: 20?
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: Is it 20 grams? Is it? So whatever it is,
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: I believe it's 20 grams or above, whatever it is.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: Let's find out what the number is just so we
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: can help people.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's 20, yeah.
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: It severely mitigates the negative aspects of sleep deprivation in
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: terms of cognitive function, memory, all those different things. And
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: I find that, you know, I've done a bunch of
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: podcasts where, you know, like I said, I play pool
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: a lot. I have a real problem. And sometimes I'll
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: come home from the comedy club and it'll be, you know,
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: midnight and I'm wired from, you know, hanging out and 25,
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: 30 grams for many adults.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 4: That's a small study.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: Strongest acute study is large.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: Not a normal daily maintenance dose. Okay, so if you're tired,
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: take 25 to 30 grams. And then that's the response.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: And normally I take 10 or 20. That's my normal.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: And that's cognitively then you'll be back to baseline?
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: Allegedly. It's hard to know. I mean, we all vary daily.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: I have days where I come in and I'm like, ooh,
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: I'm firing today. And then other days where I'm like,
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: I can't even remember words. Like, how the fuck am
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: I doing this for a living? You know, your brain
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: is very, it's like the fucking Earth's temperature. It fucking
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: fluctuates a lot.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: That is exactly it. And certainly on my longer swims now. Creatine,
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: I actually didn't do that during the Yukon swim. So weirdly,
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: there's just a part of me that does want to
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: go back just to actually trial that. Because towards the
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: end of the Yukon swim, I was in pieces. So
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: I would love to see if I could actually, you know,
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: supplement to go that much further. And I think creatine
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: was one. that I would love to add to the arsenal.
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: So here's what Jamie just pulled up. It says, as
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 2: part of the study, 15 test subjects were kept awake
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: overnight and had to solve cognitive tasks during this time.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: Sleep deprivation leads to changes in brain metabolism that promote
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: the cellular uptake of creatine. Beforehand, the test subjects have
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 2: received a high single dose of creatine, an important metabolic
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: product that is found in food and can also be
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: produced by the body itself. Three hours after taking the creatine,
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: a positive effect on the brain metabolism increased. and cognitive
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: performance of the test subjects could already be observed. The
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: effect reached its peak after four hours and lasted up
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: to nine hours. In particular, the improvements in processing capacity
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: and short-term memory were seen. The results suggested that a
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: single but high dose of creatine enhances thinking capacity and
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: causes changes in the brain's energy reserves during sleep deprivation.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 2: I wonder what it does if you're not sleep deprived.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: What if you're a kid and you have to take
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: your ACTs or something like that, what would that do
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 2: for you?
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: That is interesting. Because I think that's the next frontier
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: almost as well.
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 2: Small test subject, right? But still, if you get a
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: significant result from 15 people and you can measure the changes,
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see it on a large study, but
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 2: it's interesting.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 1: What are a lot of the athletes using now in
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: the UFC supplement-wise? Creatine is for sure one of them.
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: But the issue with creatine is also it helps you
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: put mass on, and a lot of these guys are
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: trying to lose weight. So I don't know what they're
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: doing in terms of like there's some guys that are
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 2: extreme weight cutters. There's guys that are cutting 20 pounds,
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: 30 pounds the week of the fight. It's really– and
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: rehydrating to a ridiculous extent like before the fight. Like
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 2: Alex Pereira is the greatest example. Alex would gain 40
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: pounds when he was fighting at 185 pounds. So he's
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 2: fighting at 185 and he would weigh in on fight
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: day at 225, 226, which.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: Is– Yeah, I always love Rob Whittaker who let this guy.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: In very sure so it's also saying don't take that
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: much right Don't take that much even once it says
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: Oh even once it's bad because it could put a
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: heavy stress for the time being however It's not advisable
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: for people to take such a high dose of creatine
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 2: at home At home as high doses of the substance
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: put a heavy strain on the kidneys and can cause
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: health risks I wonder if you can mitigate that strain
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 2: by hyper So.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 4: It was temporary to It's temporary.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. It says four hours. But what's temporary?
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 4: The gain of cognitive effects.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: Well, for the large dose, right? For sleep deprived people.
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 4: That just seems risky.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, definitely.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think. But I think one dose
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: is probably akin to one night of drinking. Like, I
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: don't think it's that bad. I think the real problem
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: is you can't take that amount every day.
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 2: Like, what is. I know people that take 20 grams
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: a day, though.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: There's so many people, though, that are just redlining. And
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: the thing is, it's like their biology might be different
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: than your biology. You know, some people, like, they don't
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: have a problem drinking every day. Like Shane Gillis can
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 2: just drink every day. He got his liver tested. He's fine.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: And we were all like, what?
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: But I'm fascinated by this. How the fuck? Like I said,
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: for future swims, I think, you know, certainly at 41
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: years old, I'm kind of as fit as I'm going
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: to be. You know, this is the new frontier for me.
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 1: You know, looking at new tropics.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: I know where. I bet hypoxia training, too.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: You think that could add?
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I really do. I think it just, it
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: raises your capacity. I think it changes the red blood
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: cell count in your body.
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: It's just like EPO does right.
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: Aggregation of marginal gains. Now I'm just at a point
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: where I'm like, right, where can I just get like
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: 1% here?
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 2: Are you using sauna regularly?
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 1: Not as often as I should be. Yeah.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 2: That should be a daily for you.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: You think, and even doing my cardio in there as well.
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you can. I mean, that's one of the
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 2: aspects of the exalt chamber. So they do two different
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: types of training in it. One type of training is
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: high altitude. The other type is high heat. So I'll
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 2: do sessions in there at 100 degrees. And so, yeah.
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: But it's not high altitude. It's regular altitude. It's counterproductive
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 2: to do the two of them together.
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 1: Because it's blood plasma.
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 2: According to the guys who are smart. The thing you're
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 2: doing is when you are at high altitude, your heartbeat
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: is naturally lower. It's difficult to get your heartbeat that
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: high because there's no oxygen in the air. When you're
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: at high heat, your heart rate is high immediately. Like
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: one of the things that I do, I'll do bag work.
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 2: I do heavy bag rounds. And then after the rounds,
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: I jump right into the sauna. So I go from
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: being exhausted. I give myself just so I'm not dying
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 2: so I could breathe normal. Like at the end of
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: the rounds, I'm usually like really breathing heavy. I drink
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 2: some electrolytes. I always bring a big 64-ounce jug of
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 2: water with ice and electrolytes in it. And then I
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: go in 196 degrees. And I sit in there for 20,
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 2: 25 minutes. And I wear one of those straps. one
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: of those heart rate monitors, and my shit will be
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: at like 147, 148 the entire time I'm sitting there
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 2: because it never got to go down. So it's jacked
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 2: up from the workout, right? And then I go right in,
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: and I might be at 100 when I step in there,
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: and it goes right back up, right back up. So
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 2: like 10, 15 minutes in there, I'm just sitting there,
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: and I'm at one, especially when I start doing heavy. stretches,
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: which is why I do a lot of, I find
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: that you can do stretches when you're in that 195 degree,
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 2: 196 degree heat that you're just not going to be
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 2: able to pull off. And so I force my tissue
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: to force it into position and hold it. And that
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: really jacks your heart rate up. Then I'll get into
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: the 150s.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: Because I love, to go on a bit of a
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: tangent as well, like now there's so many good meta
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: studies on, so studies of lots of studies of ultra
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 1: endurance athletes, but some of the best now. These aren't
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 1: guys just like hanging in there. These guys are winning
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: between 35 up to 50. You know, those like grisly
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 1: old guys and old women who are just amazing.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: Don't you think that's mental though? Like your mind gets
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 2: harder as you get older.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: This is exactly what I was about to jump on.
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 1: So I think there's a few things. One is capillary density,
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 1: mitochondrial efficiency. That you only get after like years and
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: years and years. So it's like when you're younger, VO2,
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: lactic threshold, elasticity of tendons, all of those things. Absolutely amazing.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 1: are better when you're younger. And that's why you see
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 1: so many 100-meter champions and sprinters, they're always younger. But now,
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 1: I think all of those things that you're talking about now,
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: heat adaptation, hyperbaric chambers, everything like that, hypoxic chambers, sorry,
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 1: everything like that is just trying to create, I think now,
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 1: a new generation of older athletes. And we're even seeing
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 1: it 39 years old, Alex Pereira?
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 1: Yo Romero 49?
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. But he is off the charts.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 1: He makes no sense.
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: He's off the charts. That's an outlier. He's an outlier.
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 2: He's another guy.
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: He is, yeah.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: He's so unusual. When you look at him, he doesn't
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: seem like he's aging. It's insane. You know, and he
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: still moves like a cat at 49 years old. Did
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: you see his bare knuckle fight that he had with
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: Darren Till? Crazy. I know. Knocked Darren Till down. Arguably
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: could have won that fight.
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: You know, it was a very close fight, but arguably
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: you could have given a lot of people online thought
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: Yoel won that fight.
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 3: 49.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: I think we're seeing it across the board now as well.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 1: Like Kipchoge won the very recent marathon. Was it Melbourne?
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: I can't remember.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: You got Messi. You got Ronaldo. Messi's only just retired.
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: Ronaldo.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 1: LeBron. I think LeBron makes no sense because everything that
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: I just described there, your proportion of fast twitch fibers
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: reduces as you get older. Elasticity of tendons.
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: So I understand if you're Messi, who's just amazing, his
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: vision of the game and everything, you can sit there
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: in midfield just spraying the ball. But LeBron makes no sense.
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 2: Well, LeBron is meticulous in his rehabilitation. Meticulous. He spends
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 2: an incredible amount of time, famously spends millions of dollars
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 2: just on rehabilitating his body every year. On massage and
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: different therapies. I mean, he's doing everything. And I'm sure,
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the rules are in the NBA
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: with peptides and all that other jazz, but I'm sure
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: he's on all that stuff too. I mean, if he's not,
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: I'd be stunned. Like, why wouldn't you be? That's crazy.
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you be on BPC-157 and TB-500? And if
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 2: you're allowed to be, you should definitely be on testosterone
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 2: and definitely be on some sort of human growth hormone,
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 2: either Something that pumps it up, like semoralin, which naturally
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: makes your body produce more human growth hormone. Something that
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: allows his body to regenerate tissue and heal quicker. He
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 2: has to be on something. I mean, I would imagine. Otherwise,
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 2: it's crazy that he could perform. Because one of the
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 2: things that we talk about a lot, or I talk
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 2: about a lot with Cyril Ghosn, who's the UFC heavyweight champion,
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: is that Cyril has a background in basketball. And I
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 2: think that's a factor because I think his movement, his
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 2: ability to move, it's like basketball. You're doing plyometrics all
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 4: Peptides are banned in the NBA.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: What's the rules? Synthetic and growth hormone-releasing peptides are banned
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 2: in the NBA. Are they testing them? What is banned?
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: Growth hormone-releasing peptides, growth hormone secretagogues. How do you say
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 2: that word? Secretagogues? Secretagogues. And other synthetic compounds designed to
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 2: stimulate growth hormone or enhance recovery are strictly prohibited. But
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 2: what about BPC-157?
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 1: BPC-157 was weird because it was allowed by WADA and
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 1: then it was banned.
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 2: It should be allowed. All it does is regenerate tissue
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: or rather help heal tissue. It's banned. Banned in the NBA.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: It's classified as an unapproved substance on the World Anti-Doping
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 2: Agency's prohibited list. And follows broader anti-doping policies against unapproved
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: peptides and experimental drugs. Listen, man, there's zero studies that
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: show there's any negative effects of BBC 157. And there's
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of at least anecdotal evidence, first and foremost,
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 2: that it's very beneficial. for people recovering from injuries. But
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 2: then there's also studies that indicate that it really is
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 2: helpful for people. So someone was suspended.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 3: No, I was looking this up because last year this
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 3: player was on the Lakers, Luka Doncic, very famously got
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 3: hurt right before the playoffs started, and he went to
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 3: Spain to get treated and did not get better. And
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 3: what that treatment was was not really publicly talked about.
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 3: People were saying, you know, get him on stem cells,
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 3: get him on BPC-157, get him back so he can play.
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 3: If they are doing it, they have to take time
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 3: off so they can hide, you know, from tests.
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 2: Or whatever it is. Sort of like Connor did when
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 2: he broke his leg, right? He got out of the
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 2: doping pool.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then got jacked. And they go fucking jacked.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: Became Wolverine.
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 2: Super jacked. Looked like you. All of a sudden, he
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 2: weighed 220 pounds. Fucking jacked. I don't know if he
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: got that big. But the point is, like, I think
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 2: at least peptides that help injuries work. Listen, you're dealing
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: with a sport where your primary goal is to create
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 2: an injury on your opponent. And you're practicing injuring each
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 2: other all day long. You're going to get injuries. And
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: anything that would help these athletes get to the finish line,
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 2: get to the cage in reasonable health, because they're always
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: banged up. Whenever you see, even at a world championship level,
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 2: you see a guy who looks awesome, guarantee that guy's
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: dealing with some shit. Guarantee that guy's got a sore hand,
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: fucked up shoulders, knee hurts. Something's wrong. There's no way
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 2: you get through a 12-week camp with a bunch of
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 2: fucking trained assassins, and you don't get banged up. You're
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 2: getting banged up. And BPC-157 would help those people. But
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 2: they're also doing– there's a lot of stuff these guys
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: are doing now. A lot of guys are invested in
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 2: hyperbaric chambers. They're doing a lot of hyperbaric therapy, which
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 2: really does accelerate healing from injuries and just general overall recovery.
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 2: from just life itself. I mean, it's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: They were amazing for me. Like we were talking about earlier,
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 1: when I tore most of the tendons in my rotator cuff,
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 1: that was after the Yukon. And the doctor was like,
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 1: how did you not know? And I was like, well,
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 1: I had hypothermia and I was trying to dodge bears.
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 1: I had other stuff on my mind at the time.
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 2: If I was a doctor, I'd be so pumped to
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 2: talk to you. I'd be like, whoa, this is an
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 2: interesting study. Right, right. Like, what? What did you say?
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 1: But it was new stem cells were amazing. And then
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 1: hyperbaric red light therapy.
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  Speaker 2: I did everything.
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  Speaker 1: And that got me back to the start line ready
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 1: for Iceland. I think without it, I might have needed
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 1: them reattached with surgery. So that's how good they were
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 1: for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's extraordinary what they can do now. And it
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: keeps getting better. And, you know, in this country, there's
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 2: this battle between pharmaceutical drug companies that want to patent
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 2: these peptides and they want to profit off of them.
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 2: And then there's also a lot of people who don't
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 2: want people taking these therapies because it will cost them
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 2: money in terms of the amount of orthopedic surgeries they get.
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 2: That's a real thing. And they have influence. And it's
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 2: a real problem. And unfortunately, people are willing to sacrifice
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 2: the greater health and recovery of the entire population for
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 2: their own personal gain. And that's dark but accurate.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 1: Agreed, yeah.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 2: And if we were really smart, we would be investing
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 2: an incredible amount of money into studying these things. And
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 2: there's not just that. They're helping people with neurological conditions.
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 2: They're helping people recover from, like, Parkinson's syndrome or Parkinson's symptoms.
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 2: You know, they're doing them intranasally for people that have
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 2: lung disorders. Like there's a lot of like really good
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 2: work that's being done with stem cells. Does it mean
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 2: they all are the same and they all work right? No,
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 2: that's like the shady places. This is also part of
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 2: the problem. Like if you're traveling to some godforsaken part
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 2: of the world to go do this therapy because it's
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 2: not legal in America. OK, well, you got to be
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 2: real careful where you're going. You know, there's some places like.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 2: The CPI, which is in Tijuana, it's very ethical and
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: they do everything really great. But there's other places where
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 2: I've heard people get infected. They have like horrible disease.
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 2: They get staph infections and wind up almost paralyzed. A
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 2: lot of fucked up things can happen when you're doing
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 2: this stuff if you don't go to a good place.
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 2: But the bottom line is, though, that's a problem with
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 2: all medical interventions. That's a problem with surgery. That's a
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 2: problem with like it's a big. One of the main
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: killers in this country, I think we talked about this recently.
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 2: It's like the number three killer in this country is
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 2: medical mishaps. Like it is either misdiagnosis or bad treatment
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 2: or some sort of a mistake that someone makes. It's
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 2: a problem. You know, so it's a problem. It's like
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 2: human beings are very vulnerable. And, you know, so it's
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 2: not a cure all. But it is a very promising therapy.
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 2: And for people that have had incredible results, and I'm
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 2: one of them, from stem cells, like I'm screaming from
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 2: the rooftops, like, hey, let's not just throw the baby
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 2: out with the bathwater with this stuff. This should be,
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: you should, we can help a lot of folks who
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 2: have a lot of like real serious problems with this shit.
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 1: That's what they said to me. They were like, Ross,
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 1: you know, this would have been a death sentence for
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 1: your career. You know, you'd have swum around Great Britain.
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 1: You've just done the Yukon. You're good. You're done. You know,
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 1: whereas it's amazing now I've seen it that it's just
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 1: managed to extend my career, you know, just a little
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 1: bit more.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 2: I think that's- And just also for people that aren't
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 2: professional athletes, just extend your health. Like so many people
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 2: that have had like these injuries, like a good friend
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 2: of mine had a knee problem. And, you know, he's
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 2: not an athlete. He's just a guy who runs and
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 2: his knee was in pain all the time. I brought
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 2: him into Wastewell. He got a shot in his knee.
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 2: This was two years ago. And he's like, I run
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 2: all the time. It never bothers me now. I'm like,
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 2: that's nuts, man. That didn't exist before. Agreed. That didn't exist.
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 1: Agreed.
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 2: And I think this is just the beginning. I think
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 2: we're at the beginning of this stuff. They keep coming
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 2: out with new innovations and new therapies that are even
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 2: more effective, new stem cells being one of the greatest
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 2: ones that's more recent. I agree. They need more studies,
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 2: more stuff, more work. This is going to help a
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 2: lot of fucking people, man. And, you know, we have
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 2: to be really careful as to what influence– we're receiving
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 2: as to why this is a bad thing. I think
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 2: this is a real problem in this country in particular
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 2: because this country is like so ate up with money.
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 2: Money influences so many narratives in this country. It distorts reality.
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 2: You're looking at everything through a funhouse mirror lens. It's
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 2: hard to tell what's what. What's good for you, what's
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 2: bad for you, what should be recommended, what should be
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 2: never taken.
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 1: My hospital visit on that note was so bad at
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: the end. The rotator cuffs was also like.
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 2: The- How bad was the food?
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 1: It was pretty good, actually.
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: It was in Canada, in the Yukon.
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 2: It was pretty good. Oh, there you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 2: Pancakes were amazing. Did they give you moose meat? Moose
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 2: meat and pancakes?
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 1: Genuinely did, yeah.
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 2: Did they give you moose? Yeah, yeah.
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 1: And jerky as well.
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 2: Really? Oh, it was so good. That's incredible.
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was amazing.
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, Canada.
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. That's awesome. Indeed.
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 2: In America, you'd get fucking Fruit Loops.
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 2: A bowl of Fruit Loops to recover.
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 1: It was amazing. But we... Oh, I'm going to apologize
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 1: now for this story. But basically, during the Yukon swim,
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 1: I had a specially made wetsuit.
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 2: So.
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 1: Because I can't touch the boat. No one can touch me.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 1: I can't touch land. Going to the toilet was obviously problematic.
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy. Right, right. So you'd have like one of
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 2: them hatches out the back?
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, we had a poo flat made. A poo flat? Yeah,
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: a poo flat made. So we had a poo flat
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: made on the suit. It worked in training. We then
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 1: took it on the swim. To this day, I think
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 1: we were honestly about six hours into what was a
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 1: 60-hour swim. Six hours in.
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 2: I didn't even think about pooping.
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You don't know, do you? That's what will, the
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 1: whole expedition will come unstuck because of that. We're six
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 1: hours in. To this day, I still don't know if
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 1: the poo flap was in the wrong place or my
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 1: bum hole is in the wrong place. But I end
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 1: up going to the toilet and it doesn't work. Like
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 1: what was meant to clear the wetsuit doesn't clear the wetsuit.
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 2: So it's filling your suit up with poop.
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 1: Exactly that.
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm then faced with a decision. And this goes
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 1: back to what we were talking about, your anterior mid-singulate cortex.
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 1: In that moment, pain versus purpose, grit or quit. I'm like, Ross,
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 1: if you quit, you are going to be known as
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 1: the guy who soiled himself and gave up in the Yukon.
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 1: Or do you zip it up and just keep going?
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 1: So I zipped it up. I kept going.
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're swimming in your own poop.
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 1: But it was even worse. It was a black wetsuit
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 1: as well. So it was essentially just baking, you know,
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 1: like a slow cooker. So none of it got out?
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 1: All of it was in there? I would say 90% remained. 90%?
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 2: Could you reach in and grab it as you're swimming? No, no, no, no, no.
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 2: Clean out the... No, no, no, no, no.
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 1: There was no reaching in. I'm so sorry, Jamie.
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 1: So anyway, yeah, at the end of the swim, when
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 1: they're taking me to hospital, I turn to everybody and...
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 1: And I just go, you know, guys. And again, the
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 1: people in Canada, the team that we had are amazing.
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 1: They're from the Yukon. You know, they kill bears. They
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 1: gut wolves. They've seen everything. And they're like, Ross, don't
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 1: you worry. And I said, no, guys, I'm going to
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 1: apologize now. saw myself in my wetsuit and it's been
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 1: baking for what has been 55 hours. They cut me
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 1: out of my wetsuit. They cut me out and they go, Ross,
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 1: don't worry, we're here.
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 2: We're a brotherhood.
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 1: They did. They did. They did.
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 2: They went, we're here. Oh God.
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 1: And they bought. So I'm left there with a flannel
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 1: just covering myself.
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 2: And you just baked poo all over you.
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So like I said, when they said, how did
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 1: you not realize you'd torn your tendons in rotation? I
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 1: was like, because I soiled myself because bears and wolves
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 1: were after me.
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 2: That is a very reasonable explanation for why you didn't
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 2: notice that you were in pain.
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 3: That doesn't follow staff in any way.
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 2: Should we perform? A hundred percent.
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 1: All kinds of stuff.
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 2: Probably sepsis. Sepsis. Who knows what that does to you?
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 2: That's got to be terrible. You're scratching yourself and then
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 2: there's pool over your butt. Oh, the inside of your legs.
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 1: Would you have carried on?
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 2: Good Lord. I don't know. I hope so.
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 2: I hope I'd be as strong as you. No one
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 2: knows until you do it, right? Well, I think that's
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 2: one of the things that the kind of events that
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 2: you participate in really genuinely does. Like it changes people's
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 2: expectations of what's physically and humanly possible. And they all
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 2: have to look at themselves and say, OK, maybe I
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 2: can do more than I think I can. And I
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 2: think even though these are extremes and I think most
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 2: people are not going to swim for 60 hours, what
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 2: they're going to get out of that is this understanding
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 2: that you're capable of so much more than you think
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 2: you are. And just– raising of expectations or at least
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 2: raising of the limits of the possible. What is possible?
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 2: And I think that alone is like a great benefit
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 2: to people.
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that. That's exactly what I
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 1: say when I say I don't recommend my lifestyle to anyone.
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a terrible lifestyle choice. It's terrible. It's terrible.
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 1: But I say that that's not my purpose. I don't
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 1: think I think my purpose is people to. get them
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 1: to shift their barometer, their own personal barometer, just one
• 2:42:52
  Speaker 1: degree of what they think they're capable of. And if
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 1: that's what I managed to do, then I will continue
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 1: to soil myself in my wetsuit.
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 2: I think you have done that. I think you have
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 2: done that. So congratulations. And continue on, sir. Thank you
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 2: very much, brother. It's very good to see you again.
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 2:43:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Always good to see you. You're a freak.
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 2: You're one of a kind, man. I appreciate you very much.
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you. That was awesome, by the way. Oh, you
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 2: like it? It was good. Well, thank you, man. You
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 2: brought it.
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you crushed far more than me.
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 2: I was trying. We're having fun.
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 2: It was fun. Bye, everybody.