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Ep. 9 4.3L Chevy V6 Swap & Jeep XJ Tech with Steve Howard · Jeep Talk Show

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  (upbeat rock music)
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  (upbeat rock music)
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  Hey guys, Tony here.
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  This is XJtalk.com, the talk show.
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  Thank you for being here tonight.
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  We had a little problem last week.
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  The whole kit and caboodle
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  was down, which is the PC.
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  There's several people out there
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  that podcast using Macintosh computers,
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  and I'm sure they're relishing.
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  And I told you so about the PC problem.
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  But I like Windows.
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  I don't like the Mac.
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  Bad news for Steve Jobs.
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  I hear he is no
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  longer in charge of Apple.
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  I think it's because of his health.
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  He's been having
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  reoccurring health problems
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  here over the past several
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  years, and I really hate that.
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  He's a very young man.
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  He's only a few years older than I am,
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  which I guess I hate
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  more because, scares me.
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  So as we were going to do last week,
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  we have an interview
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  with Steve, Steve Howard,
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  also known as 4.3LXJ on XJtalk.com.
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  He is one of the
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  members, one of the moderators,
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  and also to a big help to a
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  lot of the people on the site.
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  So we're gonna find out a
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  little bit about Steve tonight
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  in that interview, and
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  then after the interview,
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  we'll be able to talk with Steve
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  and ask him a few questions.
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  XJtalk.com.
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  XJtalk.com.
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  It's where you go
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  when you're not off road.
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  And before we start with the interview,
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  I thought I would play
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  this customized brand new song
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  by Tom Rapp.
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  If you don't recall, Tom Rapp did a
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  wonderful Christmas song
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  called Christmas Cheer.
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  And we played that around Christmas time,
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  and I think even after Christmas,
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  we played that, because I liked it.
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  And I have not had a
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  chance to listen to this.
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  I was fighting with
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  somebody or some people
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  that were trying to take
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  down the XJtalk.com site,
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  and I just downloaded
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  this custom brand new song
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  from Tom Rapp.
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  And by the way, you can
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  find out more about Tom Rapp
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  and download his songs and read his blog
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  at tomrapshow.com.
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  Tomrapshow.com.
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  I'll have more on
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  that a little bit later.
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  So let's play it.
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  It's called What a Jeep.
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  (upbeat music)
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  (upbeat music)
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  My God, that was good.
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  Keep in mind, that's the
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  first time I've heard it.
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  That was really, really nice.
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  I won't tell you the
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  whole email back and forth
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  that we did today, but suffice it to say,
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  I thought it was gonna be,
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  I know Tom's stuff is good,
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  but he literally
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  threw that together today
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  and in about an hour.
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  So I thought that was very good.
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  Yeah, I thought there was
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  gonna be some vocals to it,
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  but his voice has been bothering him
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  for the past month or
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  so, allergies, I believe.
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  And that very well may be, I'll have to
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  double check with him.
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  He may have misunderstood me
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  because I've been trying
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  to get him to do me a song
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  for the show, an
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  actual xjtalk.com show song.
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  And I haven't been pushing him about it
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  and I sent him an email today and said,
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  hey, show's today.
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  So if you got a song and I'm thinking,
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  is there something I can promote for you?
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  And apparently he
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  thought, hey, I want my song.
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  So I don't care, it sounds great.
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  That was really good.
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  Tom, if you're listening to this,
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  I see you're not in the chat room,
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  but when you're
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  listening to this on the podcast,
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  thank you, that was
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  amazing, just amazing.
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  Okay, let me, actually,
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  I should have Steve here on the phone.
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  Steve, let me see if I
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  can just check with you.
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  I'm kind of concerned about the levels,
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  make sure you can hear everything okay.
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  So I'm gonna bring you on.
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  Are you there, Steve?
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  I am here.
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  How's the sound there?
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  No problem, got it on speakerphone
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  and got the whole thing.
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  Excellent.
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  Okay, I'm gonna put you back on mute
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  and we'll get back to the show, thanks.
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  (laughs)
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  Okay, Steve's listening on the phone.
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  He gets his internet in a lot,
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  some sort of wireless deal.
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  So instead of him listening to the show
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  through his internet connection,
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  which would really eat up his minutes,
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  I called him up on the phone
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  and he can listen to
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  it through the phone.
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  I just wanted to make sure
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  he was able to hear okay.
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  So let's see, yeah, I
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  think we'll go ahead
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  and get to the interview right now.
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  Hi guys, thanks for joining us today.
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  We have Steve Howard,
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  4.3 LXJ from xjtalk.com,
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  on the phone with us today
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  and Steve has agreed to do an interview.
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  Steve, thanks for joining us.
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  My pleasure, Tony.
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  So I already mentioned that your name,
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  our member name on XJtalk is 4.3 LXJ
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  and I know the meaning of that
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  and some other listeners may not.
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  Where did that come from?
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  Well, it came from the fact
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  that I put a 4.3 liter Chevy in my Jeep
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  after the smog police got it after me
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  and I just didn't wanna
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  drive the thing to the crusher.
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  So I stuck another motor in it.
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  And the smog police are in California?
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  Yes, well, they're in other states too.
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  Actually, I think it's
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  more stringent in Arizona
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  than it is here.
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  That's interesting.
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  Yeah, in Arizona you
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  have to put your Jeep
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  on a dynamometer and you do in some
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  places in California too
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  but in the Phoenix area, they dyno it
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  and make sure you have
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  all the right shift points
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  unless you've got
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  full-time four-wheel drive.
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  But if you don't, they
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  make you stick it on the dyno.
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  I think the state of
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  Texas makes you do the dyno
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  if it's a 95 or earlier.
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  But if it has the OBD2, which I believe
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  is the 96 and later,
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  you don't have to do the dyno.
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  Oh really?
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  Yeah, so, well, that
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  might not be state of Texas,
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  it may just be Harris County.
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  And I think that was
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  actually pushed on us by the EPA.
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  So I know, because my
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  wife's Mustang is a 96
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  and my Jeep is a 98 and we
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  used to have a 95 Ford AeroStar
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  and the Ford AeroStar
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  had to be put on the dyno.
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  So yeah, I guess it's the
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  government pushing things,
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  the federal government pushing things
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  that are causing us to have these issues.
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  So the 4.3 is better smog-wise or?
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  Well, I can buy parts for it.
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  The 2.8 liter I had in
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  it, I was satisfied with it.
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  It got around good, it
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  got 22 miles to a gallon,
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  never got any worse than 17
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  and I was towing another
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  Jeep with it at the time.
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  But I couldn't buy
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  carburetor parts for it.
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  California has a heaterized
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  carburetor for those engines.
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  I just couldn't get any.
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  Nothing wrong with
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  the motor, it ran fine,
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  but it wouldn't pass
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  small because I needed parts.
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  So I went to the crusher.
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  Kind of a catch 22.
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  Yeah, well, it's one of those things
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  you only have to keep
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  parts for 10 years, right?
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  Yeah, well, that's a shame,
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  but I guess you've
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  taken care of it that way.
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  When you say to the
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  crusher, that's not something,
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  is that literally what would have
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  happened to the Jeep
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  if you hadn't have swapped engines?
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  That's literally what
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  would have happened to it.
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  They would have had me
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  drive it to a wrecking yard,
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  surrender the title, and
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  then they would have sold parts
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  off of it and crushed the body.
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  That must be a really
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  wonderful place to live
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  for people to put up with that.
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  California, I mean.
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  Well, there's ways to get around it.
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  You just have to be a little
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  smarter than the average bear.
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  What a lot of people don't
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  know is that you can swap motors
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  and things like that here,
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  but you just have to be a
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  little smarter about it.
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  One of the things that you
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  have to know is that you can go
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  same year or newer,
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  and there's certain
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  equipment you have to have with it
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  that was on the original
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  vehicle that the engine came out of,
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  and it's a wise thing not to go too new
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  because you end up
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  having to transfer airbags
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  and bumpers and stuff with it.
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  So, kind of cut those mods off at 95,
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  so I chose the 93 to 95 vintage
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  because it's the engine I wanted,
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  and it has the most
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  horsepower of that line of engines.
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  What is the rated horsepower?
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  It's 190, but I've
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  got it up to about 230.
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  Oh, that's nice.
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  I bet you can feel that.
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  Yeah, it does zero to 60
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  in about eight seconds.
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  That's not bad.
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  Yeah, that's about a little over a second
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  and it's off of the rated
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  time for a stock four-liter.
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  So, are you a native Californian?
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  Is that where you were born?
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  Yeah, I was, but I
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  didn't spend all my life here.
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  I went north right after I left home.
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  I was born in Los Angeles,
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  and we moved to Lake Tahoe when I was 11,
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  and it was a great
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  place for a kid to grow up.
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  I always had plenty of
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  outdoors things to do.
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  I was never bored.
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  I hear it's a beautiful place.
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  Oh, it is, it's great.
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  Everywhere you go is a beautiful view.
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  I went, when the ski season was on,
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  I went skiing every day after school,
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  and in the fall I was
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  doing football and whatever,
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  and springtime I
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  started hiking and fishing,
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  and summertime I did a
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  lot of hiking and fishing
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  when I wasn't working,
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  and I used to go to the beach every day
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  and swim in the water,
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  and the water's nice and clean.
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  You can get your eyes
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  under it and they don't hurt.
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  You can see for 100 feet underwater,
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  and really nice place to swim.
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  That reminds me of a place, church camp,
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  that I went to when I was
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  probably about 11 or 12 years old,
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  and it was out in West Texas,
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  and that's the thing that
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  stuck in my mind until this day
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  was being able to swim in that cold,
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  and it was very hot,
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  especially in West Texas, summertime,
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  but that stream was
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  cold and absolutely clear.
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  It was just like, to me, heaven,
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  because I had never
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  seen anything like that
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  in Southeast Texas,
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  because you've got the
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  muddy water in the rivers,
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  you've got the water in Galveston,
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  which is nothing like Florida,
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  or things that I've heard
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  about in the waters in Florida.
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  So it was really nice.
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  So I imagine that was very nice.
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  A lot of fun being
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  able to swim in some water
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  that you were able to
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  see and look around.
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  Did you see any fish?
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  I remember seeing fish.
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  I just thought that
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  was the coolest thing.
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  Yeah, we used to go out in
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  a boat fishing and trolling,
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  and the water there would turn green,
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  and just like you drew a line,
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  would turn green at 100 feet,
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  and it would turn blue at 150.
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  Oh, wow.
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  And you could look down
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  in 80 to 100 feet of water
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  and see fish swimming on the bottom.
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  Of course, they were
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  pretty good-sized fish,
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  but you could see them.
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  Yeah, oh man, that sounds really nice.
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  I'd like to, I wish I
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  had a little more money.
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  I would love to go see
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  things like that firsthand,
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  and of course take the
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  kids to see it as well.
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  So you're very lucky to
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  have experienced that.
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  Yeah, I was, and also a great place
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  to learn how to four-wheel too.
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  I bet.
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  And I would imagine not a lot of people
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  telling you where you can go.
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  No, not at that time.
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  This was, I got my
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  learner's permit in 65,
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  and before I got my license,
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  there was some other jeepers in town.
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  They had new CJ5s, new then,
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  and with the V6s in them,
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  and they had 11 by 15
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  aircraft tires on them,
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  which was basically a 32-inch tire,
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  high quotation.
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  Right.
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  Yeah, hey, that was as
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  big as it got in those days,
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  32 inches.
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  (laughs)
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  Yeah.
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  Anyway, yeah.
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  I imagine that was huge at that time.
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  They drug me along, and I
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  had to drag my mother along
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  because I only had a permit,
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  and we got with a big group
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  and went from Reno to
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  Virginia City on a road,
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  and then after that, they asked me
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  if I wanted to do some
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  real wheeling, and we did,
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  and we took off from Virginia City.
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  We didn't know where we were going.
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  We just started out,
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  and we went from
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  Virginia City to Carson City
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  on no roads at all.
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  It was just cross-country,
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  and they had to wait for me.
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  I was a little slow in
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  my little forebanger,
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  and very skinny tires and sandy soil,
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  but we got there.
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  I bet you that was a blast.
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  Oh, it was.
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  I loved it.
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  Great learning experience.
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  I was hooked.
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  I mean, great learning experience.
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  If you can drive through that,
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  you can drive in heavy traffic.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Well, by the time I got my license
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  and took my driver's ed
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  training in high school,
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  which was mandatory at that time,
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  they didn't have to
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  teach me how to drive.
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  I already knew.
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  Yeah, I'm sure that was a
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  big confidence builder, too,
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  because you're doing
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  things that a lot of people
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  either don't do or
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  they are too timid to do.
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  Yeah, well, driving
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  instructor was a little surprised
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  that I could operate a clutch on a hill
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  because none of the driver
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  ed cars had clutches in them.
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  I mean, the automatics.
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  Right.
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  So you had to learn
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  how to drive a clutch.
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  And so he took me out
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  once, and that was that.
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  (laughs) Didn't have to go again.
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  Yeah, it can be rather interesting.
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  I don't know how people in San Francisco
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  on the up and down hills do it.
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  I mean, I know.
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  Emergency break, but still.
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  Oh, man, I'll tell you what.
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  I drove a Subaru with a
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  clutch in it through that town.
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  I think I took 10,000 miles off of it.
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  I know what you mean.
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  My first car was a standard,
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  but I didn't learn in the standard.
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  I learned, went to the
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  driver's ed thing at school.
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  It wasn't that everything was automatic.
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  And, boy, some of the people
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  that were learning to drive,
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  they were just very timid
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  about what they were doing.
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  And I wasn't at all.
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  I was having a blast.
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  So, anyway.
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  So you've mentioned
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  growing up in the Tahoe region,
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  you didn't mention
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  any brothers or sisters.
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  Were you the only child?
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  Almost.
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  I had a half-sister that
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  was 20 years older than I am.
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  I have a niece that's five weeks younger,
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  so that means my mother and my sister
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  were pregnant at the same time.
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  So I imagine they compared notes.
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  But anyway, I never lived with her.
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  Right.
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  Never really got along with her anyway.
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  So I probably only saw her
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  a dozen times in my entire life, really.
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  Well, that's interesting,
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  because I have a half-brother
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  that was 18 years older than me.
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  And I think about the
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  same time I was born,
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  he was getting married
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  and moving to Arkansas.
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  And I never lived with him.
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  He passed away last year, I believe.
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  And we were never close.
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  He was primarily in
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  Arkansas most of the time.
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  He came down to visit on occasion.
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  But--
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  Yeah, well, my sister
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  passed away too a long time back.
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  I've outlived her by 10 years now, so.
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  Well, it's sad, but
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  when I'm not that old,
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  but if you add 18 to my
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  age, it's, that is old.
• 19:09
  If you add 18 to my age, it's even older.
• 19:12
  (laughing)
• 19:13
  So I think I got this already,
• 19:16
  but your first off-road vehicle was a CJ?
• 19:19
  No, it was a 42 Ford GPW.
• 19:22
  I have no idea.
• 19:23
  Well, it's 42 World War II G.
• 19:26
  Oh, okay.
• 19:29
  We bought a, in fact, I'm
• 19:32
  not sure if we bought it
• 19:33
  or it was given to us.
• 19:34
  We had, when I was
• 19:36
  growing up in Los Angeles,
• 19:37
  we had a friend who had
• 19:38
  been a major in the Air Force.
• 19:40
  I think he retired out of
• 19:41
  the Air Force, I'm not sure.
• 19:42
  But I think he was of the age
• 19:47
  that he could have retired
• 19:48
  shortly after World War II.
• 19:50
  But anyway, he got a hold
• 19:52
  of a very nice base Jeep
• 19:54
  that was a little bit unique in that it
• 19:56
  had a governor on it
• 19:57
  and it had a special bump in the hood
• 19:59
  to allow it to be there.
• 20:04
  It was just a pristine Jeep
• 20:06
  and he died of a heart attack
• 20:08
  and his widow, Solor, gave it to us.
• 20:11
  I'm not sure which.
• 20:12
  But anyway, it was in our garage
• 20:14
  and once a year we would
• 20:15
  take that Jeep and go camping
• 20:18
  at the Bursar Cone Pines,
• 20:19
  if you've ever heard of them.
• 20:20
  They're out of Bishop
• 20:22
  in the White Mountains.
• 20:23
  And so I developed an
• 20:27
  interest in Jeeps rather early
• 20:29
  and then eventually that Jeep became mine
• 20:32
  and I drove it to school
• 20:34
  and drove it in the snow
• 20:37
  and had a blast with it.
• 20:38
  So this would be the
• 20:39
  standard Jeep that you would see
• 20:41
  in World War II footage
• 20:44
  and in movies and stuff
• 20:45
  with the folding window and
• 20:47
  top speed of 50 miles an hour.
• 20:49
  Had all the lights and everything on it.
• 20:52
  It was pristine.
• 20:53
  But I mean, they have like a top speed
• 20:55
  of 50 miles an hour, don't they?
• 20:57
  No, I could do 60 in it.
• 21:00
  (laughing)
• 21:02
  You give me a long enough
• 21:02
  time, I could get it to 60.
• 21:04
  We're going downhill.
• 21:05
  Right.
• 21:07
  (laughing) Well, I bet you'd love to
• 21:09
  still have that Jeep now.
• 21:11
  Yeah, if I could have it
• 21:12
  in its original condition,
• 21:13
  you bet because right now if we had it,
• 21:16
  it would be quite
• 21:17
  valuable in that condition.
• 21:20
  So that sounds like
• 21:21
  that was a heck of a deal.
• 21:21
  That was almost, sounds
• 21:23
  like almost as good a deal
• 21:24
  as what I got when I was 14.
• 21:27
  My mom sold her 1965
• 21:29
  Ford Mustang red hardtop
• 21:34
  to a neighbor just two
• 21:36
  years before I started driving.
• 21:37
  She sold it for $550.
• 21:40
  And they bought it new.
• 21:42
  Oh my.
• 21:44
  So not as good as the Jeep, but you know,
• 21:49
  65 Mustang, golly.
• 21:51
  Oh yeah, yeah.
• 21:52
  I think she paid $5,000 for that thing,
• 21:54
  or $5,200 in 65, which
• 21:57
  was a lot of money, but.
• 21:58
  That was an expensive car because in 69,
• 22:03
  beginning of the model year,
• 22:04
  we bought a Ford Bronco for 3,200.
• 22:06
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:08
  It was a snazzy vehicle,
• 22:10
  especially that color red.
• 22:11
  I think the color of my
• 22:13
  Jeep is about the same red
• 22:14
  as what the color on the Mustang was.
• 22:16
  Yes, they are.
• 22:17
  It's about the same.
• 22:19
  I remember those red Mustangs.
• 22:21
  Yeah, and boy, $550.
• 22:24
  I mean, even at that time,
• 22:27
  it was, you could tell
• 22:29
  that it was something special.
• 22:31
  The Mustang of that
• 22:32
  year was something special.
• 22:33
  Because I think that
• 22:34
  would have been around 73, 74
• 22:36
  when she sold that.
• 22:37
  So she had-- Oh gosh.
• 22:39
  She had had it a good nine, 10 years.
• 22:41
  I'd have bought it for that.
• 22:43
  Oh, wow.
• 22:43
  In 73.
• 22:44
  Sure.
• 22:46
  10% of the original prize.
• 22:50
  Sure, well I had 500 bucks
• 22:51
  sitting around in 73, you bet.
• 22:55
  So you had the original Jeep,
• 22:59
  the original World War II Jeep.
• 23:00
  What was your next four-wheel drive?
• 23:02
  It was the Bronco, the 69 Bronco.
• 23:05
  And that's when I first
• 23:07
  started playing around
• 23:08
  with suspensions.
• 23:13
  Lip kits at that point in time,
• 23:16
  in the end of the 60s and early 70s,
• 23:19
  were almost non-existent for anything.
• 23:21
  You just sort of had to
• 23:22
  figure it out yourself.
• 23:24
  And so I raised it up about
• 23:27
  an inch and a half, two inches.
• 23:28
  And that was, as far as I could get,
• 23:30
  I put some other springs on the rear,
• 23:32
  welded in the spring
• 23:33
  perches and all that stuff.
• 23:34
  Or I should say a friend
• 23:36
  of a friend did that for me,
• 23:37
  but I had it all figured out.
• 23:39
  Everything, so that's what we did.
• 23:40
  And I put some extra coils on the front.
• 23:43
  Eventually I put, I
• 23:46
  braised, to get this braised,
• 23:48
  because it didn't how weld yet.
• 23:51
  Some brackets on the front
• 23:55
  for Gabriel Racing Shocks.
• 23:57
  That was the hot thing to do
• 23:58
  for those front ends at that time.
• 23:59
  And got around pretty good with it.
• 24:03
  I ran a 750-16 Firestone
• 24:06
  Super All tracks on it,
• 24:07
  which was about as good as you could get.
• 24:09
  32 inches was it.
• 24:11
  And I got around real well in the mud.
• 24:13
  I took it out in the mud
• 24:15
  here up in western Oregon,
• 24:17
  where I was living at
• 24:18
  the time in the early 70s.
• 24:19
  And I was going to
• 24:21
  school in Oregon State,
• 24:22
  and eventually dropped a 351 in it.
• 24:27
  When I wore the 302 out.
• 24:29
  And had a lot of fun in that vehicle.
• 24:32
  I bet.
• 24:32
  I heard, I remember a lot
• 24:34
  of discussion about the 351s
• 24:36
  when I first started
• 24:37
  getting into the Go Fast cars.
• 24:41
  I always stuck with the
• 24:42
  small block Chevy's 350, 327.
• 24:44
  I had a 283 for a short period of time,
• 24:46
  but one of them were cubes.
• 24:48
  I think that if I could now,
• 24:52
  I'd have the Jeep of course,
• 24:53
  but I'd like to have a full-size truck,
• 24:55
  and a big block in it.
• 24:58
  I don't know if it would
• 24:59
  be a Chevrolet or a Dodge,
• 25:02
  but they have that big block torque
• 25:04
  and momentum to turn the wheels,
• 25:08
  and probably some nice
• 25:09
  44-inch tires, you know?
• 25:11
  Yeah, that's nice in a
• 25:12
  truck to have a big block.
• 25:13
  There's no doubt, I had
• 25:13
  a big block in my Dodge.
• 25:16
  And it was nice.
• 25:17
  Yeah, it gets you,
• 25:19
  that momentum of the,
• 25:20
  that turning mass really,
• 25:22
  you know, gives you the torque.
• 25:24
  At least that's what I was always told.
• 25:27
  Yeah, it does.
• 25:28
  You can't make a small
• 25:29
  block do what a big block does.
• 25:30
  Right, but a small block will sure wrap,
• 25:33
  you know, will go up into
• 25:34
  the repetitions a lot quicker,
• 25:36
  but I don't know.
• 25:37
  And also too, I think I need
• 25:39
  something a little more stout.
• 25:40
  I have not been able
• 25:41
  to break the 4.0 yet,
• 25:43
  but I sure did break that 327.
• 25:45
  The 327 and the 350 both
• 25:47
  were quite easy to break.
• 25:49
  Yeah, you can, my opinion of
• 25:52
  the 60s and 70s Chevy engines
• 25:56
  were that they go
• 25:57
  fast for a little while,
• 25:58
  but they don't last.
• 25:59
  No, that's exactly right.
• 26:02
  Yeah, without changing out the rear end
• 26:05
  or the transmission on my 72 Nova,
• 26:07
  I think I was doing
• 26:09
  zero to 60 in 6.2 seconds.
• 26:11
  And that was me measuring
• 26:13
  it with my digital watch.
• 26:14
  So I may have been off a
• 26:16
  little bit, but it was--
• 26:18
  Close enough.
• 26:19
  Yeah, it was fun.
• 26:20
  It was a fun car.
• 26:21
  I'm sure I could have
• 26:22
  made it go a lot faster
• 26:23
  if I'd had more funds
• 26:25
  available to spend on it.
• 26:27
  So when did you get
• 26:30
  your first Jeep Cherokee
• 26:32
  and how did that come about?
• 26:35
  Got my first
• 26:37
  Cherokee, the one I have now,
• 26:38
  this is my first one,
• 26:41
  in, I think it was 2000.
• 26:43
  Oh, I take it back, it
• 26:44
  wasn't the one I have now.
• 26:45
  I got my first one in 2000, it was in 85.
• 26:48
  I brought it down here to California
• 26:51
  and there's a shortcut I
• 26:53
  take up to Grass Valley
• 26:54
  where my kids live and
• 26:56
  there's a 15 mile an hour curve
• 26:57
  on that shortcut and it's
• 26:58
  a 15 mile an hour curve.
• 27:00
  It's got canals on both sides and stuff
• 27:04
  and I was slowing down for
• 27:05
  it and did not make the curve
• 27:07
  because my brake pedal went to the floor.
• 27:10
  Oh no.
• 27:11
  I shifted down into
• 27:12
  first and all that stuff,
• 27:13
  but I hit that doing
• 27:16
  probably 30 miles an hour
• 27:18
  and I had a set of swamplers on
• 27:19
  which are not really good
• 27:20
  tires on pavement anyway.
• 27:22
  And the thing just drifted right over
• 27:24
  and I rolled it right
• 27:25
  into an irrigation ditch.
• 27:27
  I've got 30 feet of guard
• 27:28
  rail and so that totaled it,
• 27:35
  for sure, although it was drivable, it
• 27:37
  was what it was told.
• 27:39
  Even after taking out the
• 27:40
  guard rail and rolling into that
• 27:43
  and the irrigation
• 27:44
  ditch was not a small ditch,
• 27:45
  it was something that would swallow
• 27:47
  several Cherokees stacked up.
• 27:49
  It would drive and I
• 27:52
  could have driven it back
• 27:53
  up to Washington State
• 27:54
  where I was living at the time,
• 27:55
  but had a hole in the radiator
• 27:58
  and I figured the cops would stop me
• 28:00
  somewhere along the line.
• 28:01
  Right.
• 28:02
  Driving a total vehicle.
• 28:05
  Just like smoking the banana.
• 28:07
  Son, what the are you driving?
• 28:09
  Yeah, that's what I've been in.
• 28:13
  What did you do to that?
• 28:16
  Are you running from a bank or?
• 28:19
  Yeah, no kidding.
• 28:20
  Let me smell your breath.
• 28:22
  Yeah, no kidding, but it drove straight.
• 28:24
  I mean, it just looked like heck.
• 28:27
  They're amazing vehicles.
• 28:28
  So I saw an ad here,
• 28:33
  down here I was visiting
• 28:35
  and everything when this all happened.
• 28:37
  I saw an ad for the one I have now,
• 28:40
  it was up for sale for
• 28:41
  $1,600 and it was at 86,
• 28:43
  just like I had at 86 Laredo, 75 Laredo.
• 28:46
  And so I went down to
• 28:49
  Sacramento to look at it
• 28:50
  and the guy was kind of
• 28:52
  trying to pull a fast one on me.
• 28:54
  You know, he told me how
• 28:55
  much money he put into it,
• 28:56
  new belts and hoses and
• 28:57
  all that stuff, you know,
• 28:58
  I said, okay, fine.
• 28:59
  And he didn't know how to turn a wrench,
• 29:01
  so he was hiring it all
• 29:02
  done and so it was expensive.
• 29:03
  Oh my gosh, I bet.
• 29:05
  Yeah, well, yeah, he put
• 29:06
  like $400 into the thing,
• 29:07
  it just belts and hoses.
• 29:09
  Sure, sure.
• 29:10
  Geez.
• 29:11
  But I noticed when I
• 29:13
  walked around the vehicle
• 29:14
  that the right rear wheel
• 29:16
  was cocked back a little bit
• 29:18
  and I go, hmm, broken center pin,
• 29:20
  I didn't say anything about it.
• 29:21
  But I knew what it was,
• 29:22
  because I'd done that before,
• 29:24
  going down the road dog-legged.
• 29:26
  And so anyway, he was
• 29:31
  willing to sell it cheap,
• 29:32
  so I was willing to buy it cheap,
• 29:33
  put another center pin in it.
• 29:34
  (laughing)
• 29:37
  So he wasn't, he didn't point it out
• 29:39
  and you didn't point it up.
• 29:41
  No, he didn't point it
• 29:42
  out and I didn't mention it.
• 29:43
  You know, I thought, hey,
• 29:45
  this is a pretty good price,
• 29:47
  I'll take it, and it was,
• 29:48
  it had been towed behind a motorhome,
• 29:49
  it was in excellent
• 29:50
  condition when I got it.
• 29:53
  It had a little bit of sun
• 29:53
  damage on some of the plastic
• 29:55
  because of where it had
• 29:55
  been sitting or whatever,
• 29:57
  just in one spot.
• 29:58
  But other than that,
• 30:00
  you know, it was shiny,
• 30:01
  the upholstery was perfect,
• 30:03
  and it had like 285,000 on it.
• 30:08
  But the motor, you know, I looked at it
• 30:11
  and looked at the oil and all that stuff,
• 30:12
  and I figured it really
• 30:13
  had about 30,000 on it,
• 30:16
  the rest of it had just been drug around.
• 30:18
  So I thought, hey, this is a great deal.
• 30:21
  Sure sounds like it.
• 30:22
  I wonder how you broke that pin.
• 30:24
  I don't know.
• 30:26
  You know, when I took it
• 30:27
  out, it was just kind of rusted.
• 30:28
  They do rust, you know,
• 30:30
  and they never last
• 30:31
  forever, they will break.
• 30:33
  So you know, you might've
• 30:35
  hit a chuckle or something,
• 30:36
  who knows, I didn't care.
• 30:37
  Yeah, no, he didn't sound like,
• 30:40
  if he didn't turn a wrench,
• 30:41
  he doesn't sound like the off-road type.
• 30:42
  So I just was trying to
• 30:43
  think how he could actually
• 30:44
  break one of those pins.
• 30:46
  They seem to be fairly substantial, but
• 30:48
  you know, I don't know.
• 30:50
  Yeah, if they rust
• 30:50
  through though, they'll go easy.
• 30:52
  Oh, that makes sense.
• 30:53
  I've had him do that.
• 30:54
  So I guess he was laughing
• 30:56
  because he got one over on you.
• 30:58
  I imagine he did, but
• 31:00
  jokes on him, you know,
• 31:01
  because I drove it up to get my trailer
• 31:06
  all my 85 back home.
• 31:09
  And it had a class two
• 31:13
  hitch on it already for me,
• 31:14
  which was nice.
• 31:15
  And so when I got it into my shop,
• 31:18
  I had a SkyCrain that I had made,
• 31:21
  and I just picked it up with SkyCrain
• 31:23
  and I had it all fixed in 20 minutes.
• 31:26
  That's almost as good
• 31:27
  as getting one cheap
• 31:29
  because the CPS center went out
• 31:32
  and you just replace
• 31:33
  it and drive it away.
• 31:35
  Yeah, yeah.
• 31:36
  Except it takes less time
• 31:37
  to change the center grid
• 31:38
  with a SkyCrain.
• 31:39
  Oh, I bet.
• 31:40
  Yeah, I bet.
• 31:41
  So you went for another XJ
• 31:43
  because you were pulling
• 31:44
  parts off the rolled one
• 31:46
  or you just were so taken by the XJ
• 31:48
  that for the price performance,
• 31:51
  you just, you wanted to get another one.
• 31:53
  Well, it's what I needed at the time.
• 31:55
  I was, we were living
• 31:58
  up in Washington state
• 31:59
  on the east side and
• 32:00
  a lot of snow and ice
• 32:02
  and in the wintertime.
• 32:04
  And also, I always
• 32:09
  tried to keep a functional
• 32:11
  real four wheel drive around someplace
• 32:13
  in my repertoire of vehicles.
• 32:16
  Where we were living,
• 32:17
  sometimes it would flood
• 32:18
  and there'd be water and
• 32:19
  mud going across the road
• 32:21
  and a lot of cars were not up to that.
• 32:25
  Oh yeah, I'm sure.
• 32:26
  You know, I mean, when the way they
• 32:29
  farmed around there,
• 32:31
  it rained too much.
• 32:32
  It would just wash the soil off down
• 32:34
  to wherever the bottom of the disc was.
• 32:36
  And so there was a couple of times
• 32:40
  I'd drove my Subaru XT through there
• 32:43
  and I had water up to the
• 32:44
  floorboards and so forth
• 32:46
  that I was crossing mud
• 32:47
  and rocks and whatever.
• 32:48
  So just tried to keep one of those around
• 32:51
  and one of the good snow vehicle
• 32:54
  and that's why I bought it.
• 32:56
  I never really intended to
• 32:59
  wheel it hard when I got it.
• 33:01
  I just had a quick
• 33:03
  question about the snow.
• 33:04
  It's not really in
• 33:05
  line with the interview
• 33:06
  but why are open
• 33:07
  differentials better on ice and snow
• 33:10
  than a differential
• 33:12
  like a locker or something
• 33:13
  or is that information correct?
• 33:16
  No, that information is correct.
• 33:19
  When you have a small
• 33:23
  difference in tire inflation,
• 33:25
  tire tread, tires out of a different mold
• 33:29
  or whatever the situation is,
• 33:31
  the rolling diameter is affected
• 33:32
  and just that small
• 33:34
  amount of rolling diameter
• 33:36
  is enough to make a
• 33:37
  tire wanna break loose.
• 33:39
  And then you throw in another variable
• 33:42
  and that is when you go into a curve,
• 33:44
  the inside wheels travel
• 33:46
  slower than the outside.
• 33:48
  And if you have a locker,
• 33:49
  that locker wants to
• 33:50
  lock up that inside wheel.
• 33:53
  And so that inside wheel begins to spin,
• 33:55
  especially in the rear,
• 33:56
  you have a rear locker,
• 33:57
  you have a front one is that way too.
• 34:00
  And so you really only
• 34:01
  have power going to two wheels
• 34:03
  and they're trying to
• 34:04
  drag the other side along
• 34:05
  and so they all break
• 34:06
  loose while you're doing that.
• 34:08
  And that's okay in the mud,
• 34:09
  cause you're going slow and that's okay
• 34:11
  when you're wheeling,
• 34:13
  cause you're going real slow.
• 34:15
  But if you're going 60
• 34:16
  miles an hour into a curve,
• 34:17
  you don't want that.
• 34:20
  And another thing is, is what I do
• 34:23
  and some people may argue,
• 34:24
  but when I'm in the snow,
• 34:28
  I'll drop air a little bit
• 34:30
  and I'll run 28 pounds in
• 34:34
  the front and 25 in the back
• 34:36
  or whatever pressure it
• 34:37
  takes to get a little bit more
• 34:39
  sidewall squish in the back.
• 34:41
  And the idea is that I
• 34:43
  have a larger rolling diameter
• 34:45
  in the front.
• 34:46
  And I've found from
• 34:48
  doing a lot of wheeling
• 34:49
  that a four wheel
• 34:50
  drive will do much better
• 34:52
  in any kind of a situation.
• 34:54
  If the front end is pulling,
• 34:55
  but if you're trying
• 34:56
  to push it with the back
• 34:57
  so it's plowing, you'd be amazed
• 34:59
  at how much less performance you get.
• 35:03
  So with that information,
• 35:04
  would you say that a
• 35:05
  front locker is better
• 35:07
  than a rear locker, not
• 35:08
  necessarily on ice and snow,
• 35:09
  but just in general off-roading?
• 35:11
  No, I wouldn't.
• 35:12
  I'm a proponent of a rear locker
• 35:14
  and that is because once
• 35:16
  you start going up a hill,
• 35:17
  which is where you need more traction
• 35:20
  with your locker generally,
• 35:23
  and it's deeper in the hill,
• 35:25
  the less traction you
• 35:26
  have with a front end anyway.
• 35:27
  That if your locker is in the front,
• 35:30
  basically you're putting
• 35:32
  70 or 80% of your traction
• 35:34
  into an open differential
• 35:35
  and that front locker
• 35:36
  doesn't do you that much good.
• 35:39
  I gotcha.
• 35:41
  But anyway, getting back--
• 35:43
  I'm sorry, but lockers front and rear
• 35:45
  are still a good thing no matter what.
• 35:47
  Well they are in an
• 35:49
  off-road situation, yeah.
• 35:51
  Right, okay, anyway, going
• 35:53
  back to what you were saying.
• 35:54
  What I was gonna add was is that
• 35:56
  when you have a larger
• 35:58
  rolling diameter in the front,
• 36:00
  when you go into a curve, I don't know if
• 36:02
  you've ever noticed,
• 36:03
  but your front tires track
• 36:06
  outside of the back ones.
• 36:07
  So what that means is that your front
• 36:10
  has to turn faster than the rear
• 36:13
  unless something starts
• 36:15
  skidding or breaking loose.
• 36:16
  And so what happens to a lot of people
• 36:19
  when they're in four-wheel drive is
• 36:20
  they'll head into a curve
• 36:21
  like in town or even on the freeway
• 36:24
  and that back is tracking on the inside
• 36:27
  and it wants to go slower than the front
• 36:30
  and it will actually break loose
• 36:31
  in the back end and whip
• 36:32
  around in a slick situation.
• 36:35
  So by having the front pulling,
• 36:36
  then you compensate for that in a curve
• 36:39
  and you don't break loose.
• 36:41
  Interesting.
• 36:44
  So really with open differentials
• 36:48
  and in four-wheel drive,
• 36:50
  when you're in ice and snow,
• 36:51
  I guess it doesn't matter
• 36:53
  if you've got a 242 or a 231,
• 36:55
  you go part-time or full-time?
• 36:58
  Well, if I had full-time
• 37:01
  and I was just driving
• 37:02
  down the road in snow,
• 37:05
  I would use full-time
• 37:06
  instead of part-time,
• 37:08
  locking the axles together.
• 37:10
  And if you do that, then
• 37:11
  you don't have to worry
• 37:12
  about that tire pressure
• 37:13
  thing that I was talking about.
• 37:14
  But I don't have full-time,
• 37:19
  that's how I compensate.
• 37:20
  And when I was driving back and forth
• 37:22
  between here and Washington State,
• 37:26
  there was one time I drove
• 37:29
  about close to 500 miles in the snow.
• 37:33
  And it was cold and snowing and that's
• 37:36
  just the way it was.
• 37:37
  It was a long trip.
• 37:41
  And I used to drive on
• 37:42
  ice a lot coming down
• 37:44
  and so forth and the
• 37:45
  roads in Eastern Oregon
• 37:46
  will stay iced for three
• 37:48
  or four months of the year.
• 37:49
  My gosh, that's a long
• 37:51
  time to learn how to drive
• 37:53
  on the ice.
• 37:54
  I bet you there's a lot of accidents.
• 37:56
  Not too bad.
• 37:58
  The roads are pretty straight out there
• 38:00
  and they put pumice on the roads,
• 38:01
  but you can still get
• 38:02
  yourself in trouble real fast
• 38:04
  if you quit respecting it.
• 38:06
  I'm sure that's a
• 38:07
  very attentive 500 miles
• 38:09
  a lot of stress watching
• 38:13
  exactly what you're doing.
• 38:14
  Yeah, no sleeping.
• 38:17
  Can't just put it on autopilot
• 38:18
  and take a 2,000 foot nap, yeah.
• 38:23
  Nope.
• 38:24
  Wow, that would be an interesting thing.
• 38:27
  Of course, I'm down here in South Texas
• 38:30
  and I've seen snow three times in my life
• 38:33
  and it was all in 1973 and 1974.
• 38:37
  So it's interesting to me
• 38:39
  and that's one of the reasons why I'm
• 38:40
  asking these questions.
• 38:42
  And also too, with all the snow and ice
• 38:44
  that's going on across
• 38:46
  the country right now,
• 38:47
  I figure if people don't already know,
• 38:49
  this might be good
• 38:50
  information for them to have
• 38:52
  about driving their jeeps
• 38:53
  out in the snow and the ice.
• 38:54
  Yeah, yeah, it is.
• 38:56
  It's just something I
• 38:57
  learned to do when I was,
• 38:59
  I mean, I drove miles and
• 39:01
  miles and miles in the snow.
• 39:03
  A lot of times I'd be
• 39:05
  driving over Donner Pass,
• 39:07
  which is up over 7,000 feet in the snow.
• 39:11
  And I did it every weekend
• 39:13
  when I was in community college
• 39:14
  because I'd go back
• 39:15
  up to the lake to work
• 39:17
  because that's where my job was.
• 39:18
  So, and I couldn't get one that would pay
• 39:22
  as much down the
• 39:23
  valley, so I stuck with it.
• 39:25
  So do you have to drive
• 39:26
  slower in the snow and the ice
• 39:28
  or do you get a good feel for it
• 39:30
  and drive 50, 60 miles an hour?
• 39:33
  Well, that depends on a number of things.
• 39:36
  If I was in Eastern Oregon
• 39:38
  where there's pumice on the road,
• 39:40
  yeah, I would drive 50
• 39:41
  or 60 without a problem.
• 39:44
  Paying good attention, of
• 39:45
  course, to what I was doing.
• 39:47
  Right.
• 39:48
  Don't do anything suddenly.
• 39:50
  Good, fresh, dry snow
• 39:54
  with nothing done to it.
• 39:56
  50 or 60 is not bad
• 39:58
  if you have good tires
• 39:59
  with lots of sight
• 40:00
  sentiment and so forth.
• 40:01
  But if it's a slush or hard-packed ice
• 40:07
  with nothing on it, that kind of thing,
• 40:09
  you'd better believe I'm slowing down.
• 40:11
  Are we talking 30, 40
• 40:13
  miles an hour or just depends?
• 40:15
  It could be slow.
• 40:16
  Yeah, I feel it out.
• 40:18
  You know, I kind of push
• 40:20
  it up to where I feel like
• 40:23
  it might be getting a wee
• 40:24
  bit squirrely or something
• 40:25
  and then I back off.
• 40:26
  So it's like what we
• 40:27
  would do down here in the rain
• 40:28
  if it feels like it's
• 40:29
  starting to get a little wiggly,
• 40:31
  because it's hydroplaning,
• 40:32
  you back off a little bit.
• 40:33
  Yeah, that's true.
• 40:34
  And another thing is that
• 40:36
  generally there's two tracks
• 40:38
  that have ice in it and
• 40:40
  the crown in the center
• 40:42
  and over by the
• 40:43
  shoulder will usually have snow
• 40:46
  that will give you more traction
• 40:49
  because nobody's
• 40:50
  really been driving on it.
• 40:51
  Yeah, that makes sense.
• 40:53
  And so what I do is I just put my tires
• 40:55
  on that fresher snow
• 40:56
  and stay off of that ice
• 40:57
  and pay good
• 41:00
  attention to what you're doing
• 41:01
  and then you can travel a little faster
• 41:03
  and much safer than you can on that ice.
• 41:06
  Interesting.
• 41:07
  So it doesn't sound like
• 41:07
  it's that much different
• 41:09
  than what we do here.
• 41:10
  It's just, I guess the
• 41:11
  environment would be a lot different
• 41:13
  and it would be scary at
• 41:14
  first not having experienced it,
• 41:17
  but it sounds like it
• 41:17
  would still be a lot of fun,
• 41:18
  especially if you're successful.
• 41:20
  Yeah, well, I have to tell
• 41:21
  you that I'm really tense
• 41:22
  when I do that.
• 41:24
  I mean, I'm paying close attention.
• 41:26
  It is not for me like
• 41:27
  driving on pavement at all.
• 41:28
  No, no, I'm sure.
• 41:31
  After I've spun my Jeep,
• 41:32
  my driving in the rain isn't nearly as
• 41:34
  fun as it used to be.
• 41:35
  I've gotten back pretty good,
• 41:36
  but there after spinning it
• 41:39
  and going through the
• 41:41
  pain of the pocketbook
• 41:42
  and also through the pain
• 41:43
  of seeing my beautiful Jeep
• 41:45
  crunched like that,
• 41:46
  I did not want to experience that again.
• 41:49
  No, you don't.
• 41:50
  The spin was fun.
• 41:51
  (laughing)
• 41:54
  It's the hitting something.
• 41:56
  Yeah, one of the things
• 41:57
  that I would add is that,
• 41:59
  the newer vehicles now
• 42:01
  that you get with all this
• 42:02
  automatic stuff,
• 42:03
  computer control traction
• 42:05
  aids and all this stuff,
• 42:07
  you can drive them faster in the snow
• 42:09
  than I would drive my XJ.
• 42:11
  But the problem is that
• 42:13
  once those break loose,
• 42:14
  there's nothing that'll save you.
• 42:16
  Wow.
• 42:17
  If I break loose in
• 42:18
  the XJ, I have options.
• 42:20
  I can back off on the gas,
• 42:22
  I can turn the wheel if I need to
• 42:25
  and that type of thing.
• 42:27
  And I can straighten it out.
• 42:28
  Right.
• 42:29
  And I don't go around
• 42:31
  in circles that way.
• 42:32
  I just straighten it out and say,
• 42:33
  okay, we're gonna
• 42:34
  drive a little slower now.
• 42:36
  So with the computer controlled stuff,
• 42:38
  they go, it's like a diode,
• 42:41
  you get to a certain point
• 42:42
  and then you got the zener knee
• 42:43
  and it just goes to
• 42:44
  (beep)
• 42:44
  on a hand basket.
• 42:45
  That's right, and they
• 42:46
  end up in the snowbank.
• 42:47
  Wow.
• 42:49
  That sounds kind of iffy to me.
• 42:50
  I mean, it sounds nice
• 42:51
  from the standpoint of,
• 42:52
  the computer's handling it for you,
• 42:54
  but when it gets out of the parameters,
• 42:56
  boy, yeah, I can see.
• 42:59
  That would not be a good thing.
• 43:00
  Well, it's one of those things
• 43:01
  where you can have a lot of confidence
• 43:03
  to wanna try to do 70 or 80
• 43:05
  miles an hour in the snow.
• 43:06
  And believe me, a lot of people
• 43:08
  from the flat lands down here do that.
• 43:10
  That's amazing.
• 43:12
  And they get away with
• 43:13
  it until it breaks loose
• 43:15
  and then they're done.
• 43:16
  And whereas, you know,
• 43:20
  I feel like getting a little squirrely,
• 43:22
  I back off and I don't
• 43:23
  care if those idiots pass me.
• 43:25
  Right, no, I don't blame you.
• 43:26
  That's what I'm
• 43:26
  trying to teach my kids is,
• 43:28
  it doesn't matter what
• 43:28
  they're doing behind you,
• 43:30
  you need to drive the vehicle
• 43:32
  because you're the pilot in command,
• 43:33
  you're the one that's gonna have to deal
• 43:35
  with the consequences of
• 43:37
  whatever happens to you
• 43:38
  in that vehicle.
• 43:38
  So you drive the way you feel is safe.
• 43:42
  And you know, you get
• 43:42
  in the right-hand lane,
• 43:43
  if you gotta get in the left-hand lane
• 43:45
  because that's where you
• 43:46
  feel safer, then that's fine.
• 43:47
  But if you can get in
• 43:48
  the right-hand lane,
• 43:49
  let the people going by, you go by.
• 43:51
  But you can't drive faster
• 43:52
  than what you feel comfortable doing.
• 43:54
  Well, you don't wanna
• 43:54
  get in the left-hand lane
• 43:55
  and go slow down here.
• 43:57
  No, I know, but if
• 43:58
  there's something wrong
• 44:00
  with the right-hand lane
• 44:01
  and you gotta be in the left-hand lane,
• 44:02
  then sorry, that's what you gotta do.
• 44:04
  Yeah, yeah.
• 44:07
  So there's one of the
• 44:07
  things that I always do
• 44:09
  in when I get somebody on the phone,
• 44:11
  I'll ask them, what do you love
• 44:14
  or what do you hate about XJ Talk?
• 44:16
  Oh, well, one thing I
• 44:18
  really like about XJ Talk
• 44:19
  was that there's no flaming
• 44:23
  or any of that kind of nonsense.
• 44:25
  You know, everything is kept low-key
• 44:28
  and it's more like a community.
• 44:33
  I've been on Naxgia, I
• 44:35
  haven't been there for a while,
• 44:36
  but not quite as friendly there.
• 44:39
  I just, I don't even go to Pirate.
• 44:41
  Anything I need to know there,
• 44:44
  if I can be conceited,
• 44:45
  I figure I already know.
• 44:47
  But I don't have time for any
• 44:49
  flaming and stuff like that.
• 44:51
  And I've been on some other
• 44:53
  forums where I've been flamed
• 44:54
  and I just don't have
• 44:57
  much tolerance for that.
• 44:59
  I personally don't understand it, so.
• 45:02
  Well, when you get out on the trails,
• 45:06
  I don't know about any
• 45:06
  place else, but around here,
• 45:08
  the testosterone is about knee deep.
• 45:13
  Everybody's trying to
• 45:14
  take impossible lines
• 45:15
  so that they can be
• 45:17
  the big guy or whatever
• 45:20
  is going through their mind.
• 45:22
  And we've had incidences up here.
• 45:27
  There's been some
• 45:27
  fighting and all kinds of stuff
• 45:30
  perpetrated by some college kids
• 45:32
  that haven't grown up yet and so forth.
• 45:34
  And I just don't have much
• 45:38
  tolerance for that kind of thing.
• 45:40
  I just go out to wheel to have fun.
• 45:41
  And if I'm on a forum,
• 45:43
  I'm there to have fun.
• 45:44
  I'm not there to try to
• 45:47
  behave like a tough guy
• 45:49
  behind the security of my screen.
• 45:51
  Yeah, exactly.
• 45:52
  Oh, one thing I did neglect to mention,
• 45:55
  Steve is a moderator on xjtalk.com
• 45:58
  and also a very big help
• 46:00
  when answering questions
• 46:02
  for everybody on the site.
• 46:05
  And Steve, I wanna thank you for that.
• 46:07
  Obviously, thank you for
• 46:08
  being a member on xjtalk.
• 46:10
  And I'm sure that you
• 46:13
  being there is a large part
• 46:15
  of the growth that we've experienced.
• 46:17
  And I know I, and I'm sure
• 46:20
  others really appreciate it.
• 46:21
  Thank you.
• 46:24
  So Steve and I have already spoken
• 46:26
  about doing multiple interviews
• 46:27
  because we haven't even
• 46:28
  scratched on the surface
• 46:31
  of the things that he knows about.
• 46:34
  And certainly none of the
• 46:34
  mods that he's made on his Jeep.
• 46:36
  So Steve has committed
• 46:38
  to future interviews.
• 46:40
  So this won't be the last one.
• 46:42
  And we've got, I'm sure a
• 46:44
  lot of very interesting mods
• 46:46
  and interesting stories
• 46:48
  that will be coming up
• 46:48
  in the future.
• 46:50
  Steve, I wanna thank you again.
• 46:51
  And was there anything that
• 46:52
  you'd like to add before we go?
• 46:55
  Well, I can't thank you anything
• 46:56
  except that it's been a
• 46:57
  pleasure to be on the forum.
• 46:59
  Well, great.
• 47:00
  Thank you very much.
• 47:01
  And with that, we'll
• 47:03
  start taking questions here
• 47:05
  in just a moment.
• 47:07
  Okay, I'll be on the chat room.
• 47:09
  (audience applauding)
• 47:13
  And there you have it.
• 47:14
  That was a very nice
• 47:15
  interview with Steve.
• 47:16
  It's a lot of fun because I
• 47:19
  get to ask a lot of questions
• 47:21
  and hear about people's experiences
• 47:24
  and things that I've never known.
• 47:27
  I mean, Steve's been on
• 47:28
  the website for, gosh,
• 47:31
  six, seven, eight months, a year, longer.
• 47:35
  And there was stuff I
• 47:36
  found out that I had no idea.
• 47:37
  So this has been
• 47:39
  personally very informative.
• 47:42
  So hopefully you guys
• 47:43
  are enjoying it as well.
• 47:45
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• 47:47
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• 47:49
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• 48:07
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• 48:39
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• 48:46
  Let's see if Steve's still with us.
• 48:48
  Steve, you still there?
• 48:49
  I'm here.
• 48:50
  Excellent.
• 48:51
  So hopefully you were able
• 48:53
  to hear the interview, okay?
• 48:54
  Yeah, I heard it's fine.
• 48:55
  Were you in the chat room,
• 48:57
  seeing the colorful comments?
• 48:59
  I just put the podcast
• 49:02
  chat room on just now.
• 49:04
  Oh, that makes sense.
• 49:04
  That's right.
• 49:05
  Because of the same reason
• 49:06
  I mentioned at the beginning
• 49:07
  of the broadcast because of
• 49:10
  how you pay for your internet.
• 49:12
  Yeah, well, I just got
• 49:14
  it figured out just now
• 49:15
  that I needed to have
• 49:16
  both of those chat rooms up.
• 49:17
  So I did.
• 49:18
  Yeah, I mean, you can
• 49:19
  have the chat room up
• 49:20
  on XJ Talk, but as far as the show goes,
• 49:24
  you can get right here
• 49:25
  on the Ustream broadcast.
• 49:28
  And that's the most critical one during
• 49:31
  the live show anyway,
• 49:32
  the way I look at it.
• 49:33
  So guys, Steve's on the phone.
• 49:35
  We're live.
• 49:37
  That means I'm talking and
• 49:38
  moving in synchronization
• 49:39
  with my lips.
• 49:41
  And Steve's, like I said, on the phone.
• 49:43
  So he can hear you.
• 49:44
  I'm sorry, he can
• 49:45
  read what you're saying.
• 49:46
  And if you have any questions for Steve
• 49:49
  from the interview, maybe
• 49:52
  something that wasn't covered
• 49:53
  in the interview, go right ahead.
• 49:56
  Type them in.
• 49:59
  I see that Lizard Runner has joined
• 50:02
  and Blue Dragon has joined.
• 50:04
  Okay, how many extremes
• 50:07
  have I driven on and in?
• 50:09
  I mean, on as far as terrain goes.
• 50:13
  I've done it all.
• 50:15
  I've been on rocks tonight.
• 50:17
  In fact, I was wheeling
• 50:19
  the Fort Ice Creek Trail,
• 50:20
  which is quite famous now.
• 50:24
  Before it was ever named
• 50:26
  the Fort Ice Creek Trail,
• 50:27
  it used to be known as the
• 50:28
  Paris and Grant Wagon Road.
• 50:30
  And I was working in
• 50:32
  the area when I was 19.
• 50:34
  And so after work,
• 50:36
  instead of hiking on it,
• 50:37
  I went wheeling on it
• 50:38
  and never got up to the top
• 50:41
  because I always ran out of daylight.
• 50:43
  But I have done rocks.
• 50:47
  I love sand.
• 50:49
  Had a great time
• 50:50
  always at the Oregon coast.
• 50:51
  Did a lot of mud in Western Oregon.
• 50:55
  Lot of snow, always been a
• 50:57
  lot of snow around someplace
• 50:59
  where I've lived.
• 50:59
  And basically I've done it all.
• 51:04
  I think the rocks would be a lot of fun.
• 51:05
  The thing that
• 51:07
  terrifies me the most about it
• 51:08
  is rolling the Jeep.
• 51:10
  And I'm not concerned so
• 51:12
  much that I would be injured.
• 51:13
  I just don't wanna total the vehicle.
• 51:15
  That's right.
• 51:16
  I don't wanna hurt my Jeep.
• 51:18
  I'll heal.
• 51:20
  Well, the thing about rocks is that
• 51:23
  if you just have a, like a,
• 51:26
  I had a clutch at the
• 51:28
  time I was using the Bronco.
• 51:29
  It had a two to one
• 51:31
  drop in the transfer case
• 51:32
  and 350 gears in the rear end.
• 51:35
  I'm gonna tell you, I had a sore left leg
• 51:37
  and that poor clutch was pretty wore out,
• 51:40
  I think when I got done or
• 51:41
  at least a lot of it was gone.
• 51:43
  It was a lot of hard work.
• 51:45
  And now there's automatic
• 51:46
  transmissions and so forth.
• 51:48
  And my opinion of that is that equipment
• 51:51
  makes all the difference
• 51:52
  between doing a lot of work
• 51:54
  and taking a lot of
• 51:55
  punishment and having a good time.
• 51:57
  Yeah, I'm sure it makes
• 51:59
  it a lot more enjoyable
• 52:01
  when you don't have,
• 52:02
  when you can just enjoy
• 52:03
  the accomplishment of
• 52:05
  getting up or over something.
• 52:07
  And this kind of
• 52:08
  dovetails into the question
• 52:09
  that detours just asked,
• 52:10
  transmission behind the 4.3 and is,
• 52:13
  do you use an adapter on it?
• 52:14
  Yeah, I've got a 4L60E that I rebuilt.
• 52:18
  It's got all the heavy stuff in it
• 52:20
  and it's got an
• 52:21
  advanced adapters tail shaft
• 52:24
  and housing on the back of it
• 52:26
  so that I can put anything
• 52:29
  with the six bolt pattern,
• 52:31
  any transportation
• 52:32
  six bolt pattern on it.
• 52:33
  Had a 231 on the back
• 52:34
  of it for quite a while
• 52:35
  and started making good money.
• 52:37
  And I said, well, I can
• 52:39
  afford something better.
• 52:40
  So I got the Atlas.
• 52:42
  Yeah, that Atlas really stood out
• 52:43
  when I saw the picture of that.
• 52:45
  I knew that wasn't a new process, new
• 52:49
  venture, 231 or 242.
• 52:51
  I knew that much when I saw it.
• 52:53
  Yeah, it's a much bigger case.
• 52:55
  It takes up more room.
• 52:57
  Was it, I think I
• 52:58
  asked you this on the post,
• 52:59
  but was it very difficult
• 53:00
  to make room to install it
• 53:02
  and get the shifter through the floor
• 53:04
  and still have a place to sit?
• 53:06
  Oh, well, I lucked out on that.
• 53:09
  I did a little homework
• 53:11
  before I bought the transfer case.
• 53:14
  The Atlas four speed
• 53:15
  is not supposed to fit
• 53:16
  in a behind an AW4 and a four liter
• 53:19
  because you have to do a
• 53:22
  lot of work on the floorboard
• 53:23
  and the seat pedestal on the
• 53:24
  driver's side and so forth.
• 53:26
  But I was fortunate in the
• 53:29
  fact that by putting the V6 in,
• 53:31
  I had to move the engine
• 53:33
  and transmission forward
• 53:34
  a little bit.
• 53:35
  And also the Chevy
• 53:38
  transmission is four inches shorter
• 53:39
  than the AW4.
• 53:40
  So it worked out just right.
• 53:42
  I just had to dimple the
• 53:44
  floorboard a little bit
• 53:45
  under the seat and you can't even see it.
• 53:48
  And then it fit just
• 53:50
  like it was supposed to.
• 53:51
  If you were gonna put a
• 53:52
  multi-speed transfer case in
• 53:55
  to an XJ, the one to
• 53:57
  use would be a stack.
• 53:58
  It would fit a lot better.
• 53:59
  And as far as the linkage
• 54:01
  goes, I just made it fit.
• 54:04
  It took me, I don't know,
• 54:05
  it took me at least a week
• 54:07
  to make that linkage
• 54:08
  fit right and so forth.
• 54:10
  And so it fits exactly in the console
• 54:12
  and I haven't had to alter the floorboard
• 54:16
  or the transmission tunnel at all for it.
• 54:18
  Fits the console like it's supposed to
• 54:20
  and it looks real clean and
• 54:22
  it's always a conversation piece.
• 54:24
  I bet.
• 54:25
  I see they're
• 54:26
  complaining in the chat room
• 54:28
  that the, I guess the
• 54:30
  video on the audio is glitchy.
• 54:33
  Yeah, I was just typing in the chat room.
• 54:36
  We were under, the website was under
• 54:39
  attack earlier today
• 54:40
  and it may still be.
• 54:42
  So that's going to be
• 54:44
  affecting the bandwidth on
• 54:47
  that we're using to send this to Ustream.
• 54:50
  And yes, it should not affect the,
• 54:53
  it should not affect the podcast at all
• 54:56
  because that's all local.
• 54:57
  So if you're having
• 54:59
  problems with the show now,
• 55:01
  then you shouldn't have any problem
• 55:03
  hearing the podcast.
• 55:05
  And just so everybody knows,
• 55:08
  the podcast is
• 55:09
  available on iTunes and on,
• 55:14
  excuse me, HTTP podcasts
• 55:17
  with a plural S, xjtalk.com.
• 55:20
  And you can find it
• 55:22
  from the website as well,
• 55:23
  just from the nav bar, there's a,
• 55:26
  the word podcast is up
• 55:27
  there and you can click on that
• 55:28
  and it'll take you to the podcast page.
• 55:30
  I see Wayne came back.
• 55:32
  So is there, is there,
• 55:34
  yeah, well, I don't know.
• 55:35
  Some people aren't having problems.
• 55:36
  Lizard Runner says it's just fine.
• 55:38
  Big Jim, clear 3G here.
• 55:41
  Jim, are you watching the
• 55:42
  show on your smartphone?
• 55:45
  Jim types with his elbows.
• 55:46
  It takes just a bit
• 55:48
  for him to respond back.
• 55:51
  Steve, I don't know.
• 55:52
  I suspect that you'll have
• 55:54
  an idea on this question,
• 55:56
  but this is actually a
• 55:57
  question that Weldman sent in
• 56:00
  a couple of weeks ago.
• 56:01
  And it was, when I was
• 56:03
  speaking to him on the phone
• 56:04
  the other day, it was
• 56:05
  actually kind of interesting.
• 56:06
  It was a question that I
• 56:07
  had based on seeing an episode
• 56:10
  of Extreme 4x4 where
• 56:11
  they were using this item.
• 56:13
  And let me play this and let's see if,
• 56:16
  maybe we can't help him out.
• 56:18
  Here's Weldman, my first name's Kurt.
• 56:20
  My question is, does anybody
• 56:23
  know if the U-joint front axles
• 56:27
  are compatible with
• 56:28
  the CV joint axle shafts?
• 56:31
  Because that would just
• 56:32
  make life a whole lot easier
• 56:33
  and do the fact that
• 56:34
  they're, you know, sealed
• 56:35
  and tend to have a bit more flexibility
• 56:38
  and you don't get in cornering.
• 56:39
  So that's my question.
• 56:41
  Thanks, bye.
• 56:42
  Cool site.
• 56:43
  That last part was cool site.
• 56:45
  He kind of snuck that one in there.
• 56:47
  Thank you very much.
• 56:48
  Thank you very much for
• 56:49
  calling on the voicemail Weldman
• 56:51
  and leaving a question.
• 56:54
  So I don't know, were you
• 56:56
  able to hear that okay, Steve?
• 56:58
  Well, I missed a little bit of it.
• 56:59
  You talked about
• 56:59
  U-joint front axle shafts?
• 57:01
  Yeah, he's talking about using CV joints
• 57:03
  instead of the traditional universal
• 57:06
  joint on the shafts.
• 57:09
  Can you use the axles
• 57:10
  with the CV joints on,
• 57:12
  I would assume the Weldman,
• 57:14
  I guess that would be the Dana 30 that
• 57:15
  you were asking about?
• 57:16
  Okay, the answer to that is,
• 57:18
  assuming that he's
• 57:19
  asking about any axle, is yes.
• 57:22
  In fact,
• 57:25
  the full-time four-wheel
• 57:29
  drive in the early XJs like mine
• 57:33
  used a CV joint on the front axle.
• 57:36
  It was kind of a weak
• 57:37
  joint and the axle shaft
• 57:38
  was kind of weak, but it was a CV joint.
• 57:40
  And one of the benefits
• 57:42
  that you have with a CV joint
• 57:44
  that when you make a hard
• 57:48
  turn in four-wheel drive
• 57:49
  when you're locked up,
• 57:50
  you don't get that steering
• 57:52
  wheel jerking back and forth
• 57:54
  every time the axle shaft turns over.
• 57:56
  It makes it much more smooth.
• 57:57
  And that's why that joint
• 57:59
  was designed in the first place
• 58:00
  was to eliminate that.
• 58:02
  That's actually one of the
• 58:03
  things he was trying to get
• 58:04
  across to me on the phone the other day.
• 58:05
  And I thought that that hopping motion
• 58:08
  was actually what occurred
• 58:09
  whenever you had the front
• 58:11
  and rear drive shaft locked
• 58:13
  together in part-time mode.
• 58:17
  It does.
• 58:19
  It's due to the stress on the axle.
• 58:21
  And when you turn one U-joint,
• 58:25
  when you just go through one U-joint
• 58:27
  and you don't have a corresponding joint
• 58:29
  on the other end that's
• 58:31
  set up at the same angle,
• 58:33
  there's actually a
• 58:34
  change in velocity, the shaft.
• 58:37
  And it doesn't seem like it should be,
• 58:39
  but there is, Tom Woods
• 58:41
  says it all figured out
• 58:42
  on his website, so I'm
• 58:43
  taking his word for it.
• 58:44
  But that causes the front
• 58:48
  wheel to wanna change speeds.
• 58:51
  And when it does, something has to give.
• 58:54
  And so it's the steering
• 58:55
  wheel in your hand that does
• 58:57
  from the change in velocity.
• 58:59
  And the CV joint or Rezeppa
• 59:02
  was the guy that invented it,
• 59:05
  was designed to eliminate that.
• 59:07
  And it's an old joint.
• 59:09
  It goes back to World
• 59:11
  War II and so forth.
• 59:13
  And in fact, my Mighty
• 59:15
  Might has those CV type joints
• 59:18
  in the front because it has a front axle
• 59:21
  that's engaged all the time.
• 59:22
  And it's very smooth.
• 59:23
  You don't even realize
• 59:26
  that you're in a hard turn
• 59:27
  or anything with
• 59:28
  those CV joints in there.
• 59:30
  So I guess the thing that I,
• 59:33
  when I saw them using on the Xtreme 4x4,
• 59:36
  I was thinking to myself, oh my gosh,
• 59:37
  why isn't everybody using this?
• 59:38
  And then I got to
• 59:39
  thinking about it and went,
• 59:40
  wait a minute, I think the
• 59:41
  grand Cherokee is you CV joints.
• 59:43
  The CV joints are used in
• 59:44
  front wheel drive vehicles
• 59:46
  and yada, yada, yada.
• 59:47
  So why are we using
• 59:49
  universal joints on our axles?
• 59:52
  One word, cheaper.
• 59:54
  Ah, I thought it was stronger.
• 59:57
  Well, the CV joints have
• 1:00:01
  gotten a bad rap for being weak
• 1:00:04
  simply because they don't
• 1:00:06
  put enough metal in them.
• 1:00:07
  If you get a CV joint from Bobby
• 1:00:10
  Longfield, for instance,
• 1:00:11
  that would be about the same size
• 1:00:14
  as what you would put in our Dana 30s.
• 1:00:16
  And in fact, we'll fit
• 1:00:17
  in inside of the knuckle
• 1:00:19
  on a Toyota pickup front axle.
• 1:00:23
  Those CV joints are as
• 1:00:26
  strong as the Dana 60 crosses.
• 1:00:28
  My goodness.
• 1:00:29
  They actually destruct it like just a
• 1:00:32
  slightly higher torque
• 1:00:34
  than a stock Dana 60.
• 1:00:36
  My goodness, I bet you they're pricey.
• 1:00:40
  Yeah, they're pricey,
• 1:00:41
  but they're well worth it.
• 1:00:43
  You can run a nice, small, light axle
• 1:00:46
  that has the same strength as
• 1:00:47
  a Dana 60 without any problem
• 1:00:49
  and you can run larger tires
• 1:00:50
  and never have any problems.
• 1:00:51
  So what all do you have
• 1:00:52
  to change on a Dana 30
• 1:00:53
  if you want to run a
• 1:00:55
  good, strong, equally strong
• 1:00:58
  as the U-joint axle?
• 1:01:02
  If you're going to go to the CV,
• 1:01:03
  you don't have to change anything.
• 1:01:05
  I think it's a RCB has
• 1:01:07
  a kit that you can buy.
• 1:01:10
  It's an axle shaft where you
• 1:01:12
  just pull your old shaft out,
• 1:01:13
  you throw this one in,
• 1:01:15
  you bolt it all together
• 1:01:15
  and you got it.
• 1:01:16
  That sounds like a sweet deal.
• 1:01:18
  It is, it ain't cheap,
• 1:01:19
  but if you're having
• 1:01:22
  trouble with U-joint crosses
• 1:01:25
  and so forth, and they're not very strong
• 1:01:28
  when you're in a sharp
• 1:01:28
  turn, that's when they fail.
• 1:01:31
  These CV joints will
• 1:01:33
  take the torque in a turn
• 1:01:35
  and so they can be worth
• 1:01:37
  their weight in gold eventually
• 1:01:39
  if you break enough axle shafts.
• 1:01:40
  Sure, well, and depending
• 1:01:42
  on how much time you like
• 1:01:43
  spinning on the
• 1:01:44
  trail, working on your rig.
• 1:01:45
  Well, Wellman, there you go.
• 1:01:47
  It sounds like that you were dead on
• 1:01:49
  with what you were
• 1:01:50
  thinking about the CV joint
• 1:01:52
  being a better all around
• 1:01:55
  solution to letting the axle,
• 1:01:58
  the wheels on the
• 1:01:59
  axle turn left or right.
• 1:02:01
  Okay, Wellman has
• 1:02:02
  another question on this.
• 1:02:03
  It's related, he says,
• 1:02:04
  will the CV pass
• 1:02:05
  through the bearing hole?
• 1:02:06
  And the answer is no, you
• 1:02:07
  have to pull the knuckle.
• 1:02:13
  I'm trying to picture that.
• 1:02:15
  I remember changing the,
• 1:02:17
  trying to remember when I changed the
• 1:02:18
  wheel bearing assembly.
• 1:02:20
  Yeah, normally on a Dana
• 1:02:22
  30, Lake Model Dana 30,
• 1:02:24
  what you do is you just
• 1:02:26
  pull the unit bearing out
• 1:02:27
  and then you can pull
• 1:02:28
  the axle shaft with it.
• 1:02:30
  And the whole thing come
• 1:02:31
  out right in your hand.
• 1:02:32
  But the, the RCV kit,
• 1:02:34
  because it's physically fatter
• 1:02:36
  and there's more metal in
• 1:02:38
  it and it's so much stronger,
• 1:02:40
  you have to take the
• 1:02:41
  nuts off of the ball joints
• 1:02:44
  and whack it with a hammer and pull the
• 1:02:46
  steering knuckle off
• 1:02:47
  and then slip the axle shaft in.
• 1:02:49
  My goodness.
• 1:02:51
  Well, it's not that big a deal.
• 1:02:52
  It only takes another
• 1:02:53
  20 minutes at the most.
• 1:02:54
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:02:57
  Okay.
• 1:02:58
  Well, excellent.
• 1:02:58
  Was there, we're running over.
• 1:03:00
  We're about 10 minutes over right now,
• 1:03:02
  but some good information.
• 1:03:04
  Anybody else have any
• 1:03:05
  other questions for Steve?
• 1:03:09
  Mark says, or Detour
• 1:03:10
  says, we talk in stock.
• 1:03:12
  Was that for us, Mark?
• 1:03:14
  I don't know.
• 1:03:15
  He's not saying.
• 1:03:17
  Mark says, thank you, Steve.
• 1:03:20
  You're welcome, Mark.
• 1:03:21
  Well, that was a very good question.
• 1:03:23
  I think that's probably
• 1:03:24
  one of our better questions
• 1:03:25
  that we've had on the voicemail.
• 1:03:27
  And you guys should
• 1:03:30
  call in on the voicemail
• 1:03:31
  and either leave a colorful message
• 1:03:34
  like Jim doesn't remember doing,
• 1:03:36
  or a question like
• 1:03:39
  what Kurt Weldman sent us,
• 1:03:43
  not, well, gosh, probably
• 1:03:45
  two and a half weeks ago.
• 1:03:46
  So here's the information for calling in
• 1:03:48
  and it's 24 hours a day,
• 1:03:50
  seven days a week voicemail.
• 1:03:52
  Nobody's gonna call.
• 1:03:53
  My wife's not gonna
• 1:03:54
  pick up the phone and go,
• 1:03:55
  oh, I'm sorry, I
• 1:03:55
  shouldn't have picked that up.
• 1:03:56
  It's just voicemail.
• 1:03:57
  So you don't have to worry
• 1:03:59
  about somebody picking up on you.
• 1:04:01
  Do you have questions or comments
• 1:04:03
  that you would like played on the air?
• 1:04:04
  We've set up voicemail
• 1:04:06
  just for that purpose.
• 1:04:07
  All you have to do is call 530-675-4102.
• 1:04:13
  Just leave your name, your location,
• 1:04:16
  and your question or comment.
• 1:04:18
  Chances are good, it'll
• 1:04:19
  get played on the air.
• 1:04:21
  That number again is 530-675-4102.
• 1:04:28
  We look forward to
• 1:04:28
  hearing from you today.
• 1:04:30
  I'll just check here on the
• 1:04:32
  chat room here one more time,
• 1:04:34
  make sure there's not
• 1:04:35
  another question floating around.
• 1:04:39
  Tony was wanting to know
• 1:04:40
  what you meant by stock.
• 1:04:44
  I don't know.
• 1:04:49
  Nope, I don't know.
• 1:04:50
  Okay, Doki.
• 1:04:51
  Steve, was there
• 1:04:52
  anything that you wanted to add?
• 1:04:53
  I mean, that was a good
• 1:04:54
  40 minutes plus of talking,
• 1:04:57
  so you probably covered everything.
• 1:05:00
  I don't, unless you missed a question,
• 1:05:04
  put those posts for
• 1:05:05
  coming in kind of quick,
• 1:05:06
  and I don't know if I have a question.
• 1:05:09
  Yeah, I think we caught it.
• 1:05:15
  You were kind of
• 1:05:15
  chopping, are you still there?
• 1:05:18
  Yeah, I'm still here.
• 1:05:18
  I'm just sort of seeing
• 1:05:20
  if I missed something here.
• 1:05:22
  Okay.
• 1:05:27
  lizardrunner had a question.
• 1:05:29
  Go ahead, lizard, go ahead.
• 1:05:30
  We can run this thing longer.
• 1:05:33
  Okay, he asked, would LS,
• 1:05:35
  limited slip differential,
• 1:05:37
  LS, be a better choice
• 1:05:39
  for wheeling in sand,
• 1:05:40
  but no, an occasional rock environment
• 1:05:43
  as opposed to lockers?
• 1:05:45
  And that's a
• 1:05:46
  relativistic question kind of.
• 1:05:50
  I've used limited slips for years,
• 1:05:52
  and there are some types of limited slips
• 1:05:54
  that you can increase the torque on them,
• 1:05:58
  or the bias between the axles,
• 1:06:00
  and I used them quite
• 1:06:02
  effectively in sand and mud
• 1:06:06
  and in snow and with no problem.
• 1:06:09
  But if you get them into rocks,
• 1:06:11
  what can happen is that
• 1:06:13
  they don't have enough torque
• 1:06:15
  to do what you want to do,
• 1:06:16
  and you can start spinning a wheel,
• 1:06:18
  and you can burn up a
• 1:06:20
  set of clutches in one.
• 1:06:21
  So the answer is
• 1:06:24
  yeah, sand, mud, and snow,
• 1:06:26
  they're really good,
• 1:06:27
  and many times just as
• 1:06:29
  effective as a locker.
• 1:06:30
  And rocks, you gotta kind of watch it
• 1:06:33
  because you can wreck
• 1:06:35
  the clutches in one.
• 1:06:36
  That's interesting.
• 1:06:37
  So would a locker be an all-around,
• 1:06:41
  a mechanical locker be
• 1:06:42
  an all-around good thing,
• 1:06:44
  or would a limited slip
• 1:06:46
  be better in some cases?
• 1:06:48
  Because I think what I
• 1:06:49
  just heard you say was
• 1:06:51
  in sand and mud, it would be better.
• 1:06:55
  Yeah, in sand, I prefer
• 1:06:58
  having a limited slip over a locker
• 1:07:02
  because it does allow you to turn,
• 1:07:04
  but it gives you just
• 1:07:05
  enough of a fraction aid
• 1:07:09
  so that your wheels are
• 1:07:10
  pretty much going the same speed.
• 1:07:12
  In mud, you don't
• 1:07:14
  really have to have a locker.
• 1:07:16
  If you're really in mud,
• 1:07:18
  most of the time your
• 1:07:19
  wheels are slipping anyway,
• 1:07:21
  and it doesn't take much to keep them
• 1:07:23
  going the same speed either.
• 1:07:25
  In snow, I would many
• 1:07:28
  times prefer a limited slip
• 1:07:29
  just for turning
• 1:07:30
  reasons so that I can turn
• 1:07:32
  and still have good traction.
• 1:07:36
  But like I say, you
• 1:07:37
  start getting into rocks
• 1:07:38
  and you really need a
• 1:07:40
  locker or something like
• 1:07:41
  a Detroit True Track, which
• 1:07:44
  has a 70% lockup rate on it,
• 1:07:48
  and it doesn't have
• 1:07:50
  clutches in it to burn up.
• 1:07:53
  Wiltman says, what degree
• 1:07:54
  do you run your rear axle at
• 1:07:56
  or drive angle?
• 1:07:59
  Drive angle?
• 1:08:00
  I have a CV joint coming off
• 1:08:02
  the back of the transfer case,
• 1:08:03
  so I've got a straight
• 1:08:05
  shot right into the pinion.
• 1:08:07
  So I don't know exactly what degree it is
• 1:08:10
  because I never measured it.
• 1:08:11
  I just put the hydraulic jack under it,
• 1:08:14
  held the drive line up,
• 1:08:15
  and when it looks straight,
• 1:08:17
  that's when I stopped,
• 1:08:18
  and then I measured it
• 1:08:19
  and went down and got
• 1:08:20
  myself a four degree shin
• 1:08:22
  and stuck it in.
• 1:08:25
  But what exact angle it is
• 1:08:26
  right now, I can't tell you.
• 1:08:27
  Yeah, I don't think it
• 1:08:29
  was on the interview.
• 1:08:31
  I think after we got
• 1:08:32
  done with the interview,
• 1:08:33
  we were talking about
• 1:08:34
  that, and you had said
• 1:08:36
  that you've done it so much now, you
• 1:08:38
  don't have to actually
• 1:08:38
  measure the drive
• 1:08:40
  shaft or the drive angle,
• 1:08:41
  you can just eyeball it and get it right.
• 1:08:43
  Yeah, on those I can.
• 1:08:44
  I don't have to
• 1:08:45
  measure for the CV joints.
• 1:08:48
  Like I said, I just stick
• 1:08:49
  a hydraulic jack under it
• 1:08:50
  and start pumping it
• 1:08:52
  until it looks just right
• 1:08:53
  and take a before and after measurement
• 1:08:56
  what kind of shim to get
• 1:08:57
  and then I just go get it.
• 1:08:59
  It is that simple.
• 1:09:00
  The procedure though for
• 1:09:03
  a non-CV drive line though
• 1:09:06
  is a little
• 1:09:07
  different, and you really need
• 1:09:09
  an angle finder for that,
• 1:09:10
  and so many times on forums,
• 1:09:13
  everybody says, "Oh,
• 1:09:14
  drop the transfer case,
• 1:09:15
  "try a two degree shin or a
• 1:09:17
  four degree shin or whatever,"
• 1:09:19
  and that's just throwing parts at it.
• 1:09:21
  The thing that you really
• 1:09:23
  need to do is to measure
• 1:09:24
  the angle on the back
• 1:09:26
  of the transfer case,
• 1:09:27
  and you can use the fill nut on there.
• 1:09:31
  It's a machine surface,
• 1:09:33
  and you can just stick
• 1:09:34
  the angle finder on
• 1:09:35
  there and measure that,
• 1:09:36
  and then measure the pinion angle.
• 1:09:38
  Take the drive shaft
• 1:09:40
  loose and measure the angle
• 1:09:42
  on the pinion, and what
• 1:09:44
  you need to do is to make
• 1:09:45
  those two angles as close as possible,
• 1:09:47
  and if you have to go buy a shim,
• 1:09:49
  then you just need to do
• 1:09:50
  a little subtraction first
• 1:09:52
  and subtract one number from the other,
• 1:09:53
  and that's what degree shim
• 1:09:54
  you need, and it's not hard,
• 1:09:56
  but when you start
• 1:09:59
  doing things like putting
• 1:10:00
  aftermarket springs on,
• 1:10:01
  they're all different,
• 1:10:02
  there's no rule of thumb,
• 1:10:04
  and if you put a shackle on,
• 1:10:07
  one rule of thumb, I sat
• 1:10:08
  down and figured it out
• 1:10:09
  with my high school geometry here,
• 1:10:11
  every time you drop the
• 1:10:12
  back of that spring an inch,
• 1:10:15
  then you change the
• 1:10:17
  pinion angle by one degree.
• 1:10:18
  So if you have a four
• 1:10:19
  inch longer shackle,
• 1:10:20
  you've changed your
• 1:10:21
  pinion angle by four degrees,
• 1:10:23
  and I can just about
• 1:10:23
  guarantee you it will vibrate,
• 1:10:25
  and you will have to change
• 1:10:26
  the pinion angle accordingly
• 1:10:30
  so that it won't, and
• 1:10:31
  that's how you do it.
• 1:10:32
  You just have to get the
• 1:10:33
  angle finder, pay the 10 bucks,
• 1:10:35
  and do a little basic arithmetic.
• 1:10:39
  Big Jim 350 says, "I have
• 1:10:41
  a four degree shim in mind
• 1:10:42
  "with a non-CV and SYE," so no SYE,
• 1:10:47
  and everybody said it would blow you
• 1:10:48
  joints, and it hasn't.
• 1:10:50
  Well, not necessarily.
• 1:10:51
  I ran around with five
• 1:10:53
  inches of lift in the rear
• 1:10:54
  for a long time on a stock drive shaft
• 1:10:58
  without any problem at all.
• 1:11:00
  If I went to six, I had a problem
• 1:11:02
  because it wouldn't take
• 1:11:05
  the bend up by the slip yoke,
• 1:11:06
  but you can get a YJ slip yoke,
• 1:11:09
  which will fit right into
• 1:11:10
  our 231s with no problem,
• 1:11:13
  and it is made to take a steeper angle,
• 1:11:16
  and so you can do
• 1:11:18
  that and not have to buy
• 1:11:20
  a slip yoke and an
• 1:11:21
  eliminator, I'll spit that out,
• 1:11:24
  or a CV drive shaft if you want.
• 1:11:26
  I don't know if you
• 1:11:27
  recall, Jim is at 6 1.5,
• 1:11:29
  or a Rough Country 6 1.5 inch lift.
• 1:11:32
  Yeah, okay, no, I didn't recall,
• 1:11:34
  but if I had a YJ slip yoke,
• 1:11:37
  I could run a stock shaft on 6 1.5 inches
• 1:11:42
  without any problem at all.
• 1:11:43
  Okay, Weldman says, "Does
• 1:11:45
  the transfer case drop spacer
• 1:11:47
  "or increase stress on the front shaft?"
• 1:11:50
  It doesn't increase stress.
• 1:11:52
  What it does is it
• 1:11:53
  increases the angle at the CV,
• 1:12:00
  so theoretically you're gonna get a
• 1:12:02
  little bit more wear
• 1:12:03
  there on the CV joint on
• 1:12:07
  that front drive shaft,
• 1:12:08
  but other than that, there's no
• 1:12:10
  difference in torque
• 1:12:11
  or anything like that,
• 1:12:12
  so it shouldn't hurt it.
• 1:12:14
  Which end of the drive shaft?
• 1:12:16
  On the transfer case side of it.
• 1:12:19
  Okay, I'm getting a
• 1:12:20
  little bit of vibration on mine
• 1:12:22
  during acceleration around 55 or so, I
• 1:12:26
  don't really notice it.
• 1:12:27
  It may be there under
• 1:12:29
  that lower miles per hour,
• 1:12:31
  but I don't notice it,
• 1:12:32
  but up around 55 or 60,
• 1:12:34
  I can feel it if I'm accelerating,
• 1:12:36
  I let off and the vibration goes away.
• 1:12:38
  So I figured it was a U-joint,
• 1:12:39
  I just didn't know which one it was.
• 1:12:41
  Oh, I see what you're saying.
• 1:12:43
  Yeah, what you kinda have
• 1:12:45
  to do is crawl underneath
• 1:12:46
  and start wiggling things around.
• 1:12:48
  Look for signs of a dry joint,
• 1:12:50
  look for signs of any
• 1:12:51
  red dust around the seals.
• 1:12:55
  Right.
• 1:12:56
  If you find any red dust,
• 1:12:57
  it's that one, guaranteed.
• 1:12:58
  Well, now that I've learned
• 1:13:00
  that I just go to O'Reilly's
• 1:13:02
  and rent their big
• 1:13:03
  (beep)
• 1:13:03
  C-clamp,
• 1:13:04
  changing the U-joints is pretty simple.
• 1:13:07
  Boy, it was a bear
• 1:13:08
  changing the axle U-joints
• 1:13:11
  on the day of the 30,
• 1:13:12
  but I was using the hammer
• 1:13:13
  same way I used to do it a long time ago
• 1:13:15
  when I was changing
• 1:13:16
  U-joints out in my Pontiac Ventura.
• 1:13:20
  One hammer or two?
• 1:13:22
  One hammer, and I think I literally beat
• 1:13:25
  on that one U-joint, I
• 1:13:27
  forget which axle it was,
• 1:13:29
  but I took the axle out
• 1:13:30
  and I beat on that U-joint
• 1:13:31
  literally for two hours straight,
• 1:13:34
  and it would not come out.
• 1:13:35
  And when I finally found out about the,
• 1:13:38
  that you could rent those
• 1:13:39
  tools, or borrow those tools,
• 1:13:42
  because it's not really a rental,
• 1:13:43
  and I got that big C-clamp
• 1:13:45
  and I put that C-clamp on it,
• 1:13:47
  the cap literally came apart.
• 1:13:49
  It was so embedded in the axle,
• 1:13:54
  that little hole in the
• 1:13:54
  axle, and it just broke apart.
• 1:13:57
  I didn't care, because I
• 1:13:58
  had another one to go in it.
• 1:13:59
  Unfortunately, the other
• 1:14:00
  one didn't have a problem.
• 1:14:02
  Let's see, Weldman says,
• 1:14:03
  "Is that a double cardigan
• 1:14:06
  on the YJ?"
• 1:14:08
  I believe that was the--
• 1:14:10
  Oh, it's a single.
• 1:14:11
  The single, okay.
• 1:14:12
  What was it that, what
• 1:14:13
  was it that you called that?
• 1:14:14
  I forgot now.
• 1:14:15
  Double cardigan.
• 1:14:16
  Yeah, but the part that
• 1:14:18
  you said to get off the YJ.
• 1:14:19
  Oh, it's just the YJ slip yoke.
• 1:14:22
  The slip yoke, okay, so
• 1:14:24
  it's not a double cardigan.
• 1:14:26
  Before they had slip yoke in laminators
• 1:14:27
  and all that stuff, way back in the day
• 1:14:29
  when they first came out with the 231s,
• 1:14:31
  and with YJs and so forth,
• 1:14:34
  if you wanted to lift an XJ,
• 1:14:36
  you didn't have an SYE available,
• 1:14:38
  so what you did is you just went down
• 1:14:40
  and bought yourself a YJ yoke
• 1:14:43
  and set your drive line up properly
• 1:14:45
  and everybody was happy.
• 1:14:46
  Just look in here at the chat room
• 1:14:48
  and see if there's any more questions,
• 1:14:49
  or one that I missed.
• 1:14:51
  Yeah, Weldman says, "I have
• 1:14:52
  a small vibe all the time,
• 1:14:54
  "like a hum."
• 1:14:56
  You got a hum?
• 1:14:57
  That's what he says, "A small vibration,
• 1:14:59
  "it's like a hum all the time."
• 1:15:02
  A hum?
• 1:15:02
  Assume that you mean
• 1:15:03
  while you're rolling.
• 1:15:05
  Right, Kurt, not while
• 1:15:07
  you're sitting still.
• 1:15:08
  Okay, I'm gonna say--
• 1:15:10
  He says yes.
• 1:15:11
  Okay.
• 1:15:12
  Only when he's rolling.
• 1:15:13
  All right, thing to
• 1:15:15
  check is rear wheel bearings
• 1:15:17
  on that probably.
• 1:15:19
  If it doesn't change with
• 1:15:21
  your foot on the accelerator
• 1:15:23
  or off, unfortunately, our Dana 35 axles,
• 1:15:29
  because Chrysler was being cheap.
• 1:15:34
  They don't have an inner
• 1:15:35
  race on the wheel bearing.
• 1:15:36
  The roller's right on the axle.
• 1:15:39
  And I've got one of those too.
• 1:15:40
  It makes noise just because of wear.
• 1:15:44
  And there's nothing you can do about it
• 1:15:45
  except replace the axle,
• 1:15:47
  or you can just put up with it.
• 1:15:48
  But that's probably it,
• 1:15:50
  just guessing from your description.
• 1:15:52
  Now if it changes, say,
• 1:15:55
  you only get that hum under acceleration
• 1:15:58
  and you don't get it
• 1:16:01
  when you let off of the gas,
• 1:16:02
  or if you're braking,
• 1:16:03
  then that's in the
• 1:16:05
  differential generally.
• 1:16:06
  That's the difference between the two.
• 1:16:08
  Could the problem that I'm experiencing
• 1:16:10
  be a differential problem?
• 1:16:11
  No, it shouldn't.
• 1:16:12
  If you're getting the vibration,
• 1:16:13
  something's not balanced right.
• 1:16:18
  You may be losing the U-joint,
• 1:16:20
  and that's one of the telltale signs
• 1:16:22
  is that you'll get on it, let's say,
• 1:16:25
  and you'll get a
• 1:16:26
  little bit of a vibration.
• 1:16:27
  Okay.
• 1:16:28
  I mean, wheel.
• 1:16:29
  Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
• 1:16:30
  Sometimes, but not all the time.
• 1:16:32
  Right, yeah, it's a crapshoot.
• 1:16:34
  Yes.
• 1:16:36
  If it was easy, Sher
• 1:16:37
  would be able to do it.
• 1:16:39
  There we go.
• 1:16:40
  Oh, also too, Wellman,
• 1:16:41
  if you, I don't know if it would be a
• 1:16:44
  doable thing or not,
• 1:16:45
  certainly don't want you to do something
• 1:16:46
  that would put you at danger,
• 1:16:49
  but you can always take a video
• 1:16:53
  and perhaps capture the sound.
• 1:16:57
  And oftentimes too, when
• 1:16:59
  we experience something,
• 1:17:01
  we are busy listening to the radio
• 1:17:04
  or thinking about what it could be,
• 1:17:06
  and we don't actually
• 1:17:07
  record exactly what the sound is.
• 1:17:10
  In our mind, we don't record it exactly,
• 1:17:12
  or we don't think about
• 1:17:14
  when it's really happening.
• 1:17:15
  So sometimes when you record it
• 1:17:16
  and you can play it back
• 1:17:17
  whenever you're not busy
• 1:17:19
  driving the vehicle, it's
• 1:17:20
  even a help as a diagnostic tool.
• 1:17:22
  So if you've got a
• 1:17:24
  camera on your cell phone
• 1:17:25
  and video capabilities,
• 1:17:26
  you could try doing a video
• 1:17:27
  and maybe capture the sound,
• 1:17:29
  or even describe it while you're driving.
• 1:17:32
  And then when you're not
• 1:17:34
  focused on the driving part,
• 1:17:36
  you can go back and listen to it,
• 1:17:38
  and you could always post it up on XJTalk
• 1:17:39
  and we could help you there.
• 1:17:41
  Okay, Wellman has another comment.
• 1:17:43
  It says, "You didn't do
• 1:17:44
  it until after his lift."
• 1:17:47
  I'll tell you what I would do,
• 1:17:50
  is I'd take my significant other,
• 1:17:52
  they always have great
• 1:17:53
  ears for rattles and things.
• 1:17:55
  (laughs) Critical.
• 1:17:57
  But I just put her in the
• 1:17:59
  back and have her listen
• 1:18:01
  and see where it's coming from.
• 1:18:03
  See if it's coming from
• 1:18:04
  one side or the other,
• 1:18:05
  or in the middle, or if
• 1:18:08
  it's even coming from the back.
• 1:18:09
  It might be coming, you know,
• 1:18:11
  you might be getting
• 1:18:12
  some noise from the guilt
• 1:18:13
  and off the transfer case or something,
• 1:18:15
  but that does a lot of good
• 1:18:19
  as far as pinpointing things,
• 1:18:20
  making sure where it's coming from,
• 1:18:22
  I mean, as far as diagnosing.
• 1:18:24
  Yeah, that's very true.
• 1:18:26
  So, you know, put
• 1:18:27
  your sweetheart to work.
• 1:18:28
  Tell her ahead of time why
• 1:18:30
  she's getting in the back seat
• 1:18:31
  so you don't disappoint her.
• 1:18:33
  Yeah, don't tell her
• 1:18:34
  you don't wanna be seen
• 1:18:34
  when there are anything.
• 1:18:36
  (laughs)
• 1:18:37
  All right, guys, that's a,
• 1:18:38
  we're coming up on the
• 1:18:39
  hour and a half on the show,
• 1:18:41
  and that's about long enough, I think.
• 1:18:44
  We've had lots of people drop out,
• 1:18:46
  but we had lots of good questions here
• 1:18:48
  over the last 15, 20 minutes.
• 1:18:51
  So, didn't wanna leave anybody hanging.
• 1:18:54
  And like I said, Steve has already
• 1:18:57
  promised he'll come back,
• 1:18:59
  and we can get into some more,
• 1:19:03
  we can get into some
• 1:19:04
  more technical stuff.
• 1:19:05
  Weldman says she's listening, too funny.
• 1:19:09
  (laughs) Well, Steve, I'll give
• 1:19:13
  it back to you again.
• 1:19:14
  Is there anything
• 1:19:14
  that you wanted to cover
• 1:19:15
  or anything that maybe
• 1:19:16
  you saw in the chat room
• 1:19:17
  that I missed?
• 1:19:20
  I think probably got it.
• 1:19:24
  Okay, guys, thanks very much.
• 1:19:26
  It was, it's always a lot of fun.
• 1:19:28
  I appreciate everybody coming in
• 1:19:30
  and getting in the chat room.
• 1:19:32
  I thank you for our guests.
• 1:19:33
  I think we had seven
• 1:19:35
  or eight guests tonight,
• 1:19:37
  and you guys need to get
• 1:19:41
  a Ustream account set up
• 1:19:44
  so that you can get in the chat room,
• 1:19:46
  ask questions, cut up
• 1:19:47
  with the rest of us.
• 1:19:51
  Again, this is the song
• 1:19:53
  that Tom Rapp did today
• 1:19:56
  and sent over to me,
• 1:19:58
  and I was very surprised
• 1:20:02
  because the way he portrayed it to me,
• 1:20:04
  it was like a half afterthought for him
• 1:20:08
  putting it together.
• 1:20:09
  Very talented individual.
• 1:20:11
  His site is Tom Rapp Show.
• 1:20:15
  That's two P's, Tom, R-A-P-P, show.com.
• 1:20:21
  And you should check it out.
• 1:20:22
  He's got some very
• 1:20:23
  interesting stories on there,
• 1:20:27
  things that he's, songs that
• 1:20:29
  he's written for Alison Rosen,
• 1:20:32
  who is actually now the new news girl
• 1:20:36
  on the Adam Carolla
• 1:20:37
  podcast, Adam Carolla Show podcast.
• 1:20:40
  It kind of goes back and forth.
• 1:20:42
  And since she's been on
• 1:20:43
  there, I've been listening to that,
• 1:20:44
  and it's some pretty funny stuff.
• 1:20:46
  A lot of blue language
• 1:20:48
  and several of the
• 1:20:50
  other colors in the rainbow,
• 1:20:52
  but it's quite funny,
• 1:20:53
  and you better listen.
• 1:20:56
  I think you'll enjoy it.
• 1:20:58
  So guys, thank you again.
• 1:21:00
  And remember next week, same
• 1:21:04
  bat time, same bat channel.