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Ep 38 - Ghost Stories · WA Police Confidential (Formerly Operation Podcast)

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  SPEAKER_06: You and your partner are trekking through dense bushland.
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  SPEAKER_06: It's dark, there's strange sounds, and suddenly you come across a building that shouldn't be there.
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  SPEAKER_06: Like a cabin in the woods, or in this case, a chapel.
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  SPEAKER_06: You open the door and you see.
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  SPEAKER_06: You'll find out later.
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  SPEAKER_04: And we have a chat to Detective Senior Sergeant Cam Hubbard.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_06: Yep, it is Halloween this week.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um, what else we got this week?
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  SPEAKER_04: We did also speak to Cam Hubbard about some other things as well.
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  SPEAKER_04: Not just ghost stories.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um, some really big work that they've done in the last week in the space of illicit firearms.
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  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um, and keeping on that theme though, uh, we've got um some body worn camera and uh an account from a young constable about his own spooky uh call out, if you will, in Bayswater.
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  SPEAKER_06: As we all know, very haunted.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_06: Extremely.
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  SPEAKER_04: We also had uh Superintendent Jeff Dixon come through talking about drone as first responder.
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  SPEAKER_04: So some really cool jobs that they've had in their very first couple of days.
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  SPEAKER_06: Yep, so that's an Australian first.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um, this is remotely piloted drones.
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  SPEAKER_06: They launched this week.
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  SPEAKER_06: Uh, we'll bring you those first jobs um exclusively here on uh WA Police Confidential, the official weekly podcast of the Western Australia Police Force.
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  SPEAKER_06: I'm Joey Katanzaro.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm Claire Sienta.
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  SPEAKER_06: And uh all that and more coming up.
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  SPEAKER_06: Claire, have you ever had a um an encounter that was kind of a bit spooky?
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  SPEAKER_04: Look, I can't think of one off the top of my head, but we're in luck today, Joey.
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  SPEAKER_06: We are.
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  SPEAKER_06: Uh we're joined by Constable Lochlan Appleby from Bayswater Police Station.
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  SPEAKER_06: Lockie, you've recently had well, an unusual encounter is probably the way to put it.
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  SPEAKER_06: And and you do see a lot of unusual interesting things in policing, but this one is it's a little bit different, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_06: Can you um can you explain what happened?
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  SPEAKER_07: Certainly, this is definitely uh one of the more unusual encounters I've had while I've been at work.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_07: Um, this one, uh, we're doing a triple zero hang-up call we had come from a um older person's house.
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  SPEAKER_07: He's about 90 years old.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay, that starts pretty spooky.
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  SPEAKER_04: A triple zero hang up call.
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  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, so this one come from a landline phone as well.
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  SPEAKER_07: So no other information, just kind of like this is the number, this is what's hang up, no other information, go there, check it out, kind of deal.
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  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_07: So we've rocked up usual kind of old fella's house.
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  SPEAKER_07: It's like kind of the older stuff.
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  SPEAKER_07: He's got a nice little garden in the backyard.
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  SPEAKER_07: The actual house and the garage are two separate houses.
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  SPEAKER_07: So we've me and my partner Michael, we've been uh doing a little investigation trying to suss out what's going on.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_07: Had one of the neighbours come over to us.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_07: He's told us that uh the old boy hasn't been seen for the past two days.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_07: Last time neighbor saw him was two days ago.
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  SPEAKER_07: He looked healthy, he looked alright, but obviously a lot can change in two days.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_07: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_07: So we've done a little bit more investigation, knocking on the door.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_07: We started ringing the number that was given to us on the job, and uh, we could hear the landline phone ringing on the inside, but uh still no answer for us.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_07: So our concerns are raising a little bit, and we're like we're getting a bit worried.
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  SPEAKER_07: So decided to jap jump the back fence, have a look through, see if we can poke our head through the window.
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  SPEAKER_07: As we poke our flashlights through the window, only one window was open that didn't have the curtains drawn.
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  SPEAKER_07: You kind of like duck your head in, put your flashlight through.
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  SPEAKER_07: Only see like the living room table, it's got his jacket on it, nothing else.
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  SPEAKER_07: Still like a bit dodge.
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  SPEAKER_07: Maybe he's fallen over inside.
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  SPEAKER_07: Can't take that chance.
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  SPEAKER_07: Exactly, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_07: So decided to check the links to the house as well, see who else might live there, if he's got any other family members that we can ring, see if he's staying with him.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_07: Unfortunately, the two other people linked to the house were both deceased.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_07: So we're looking at that and we're like, oh signs aren't looking too good.
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  SPEAKER_07: Um so rung our supervisor, got out the all good, boot the door in.
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  SPEAKER_07: Fourth entry, make sure he's alright, make sure he's not on the floor somewhere, and he's trying to ring us and just hasn't been able to get anything to pass when he's fallen down or anything like that.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_07: So we boot the door, go through, me and Michael clear the house.
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  SPEAKER_07: The inside of the house, although it's daytime for us, still pretty dark, had to use our flashlights to see around, look through the house.
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  SPEAKER_07: Old fella's house, like it's got that old kind of furniture and stuff like that, all that kind of stuff you see in a museum, so you like you get that kind of eerie feeling, and you don't know what you're gonna see around the next corner, especially on some of these welfare checks when you're going through.
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  SPEAKER_07: So we ended up clearing the whole house.
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  SPEAKER_07: Completely empty.
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  SPEAKER_07: No one's there, no one's there.
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  SPEAKER_07: And we're like, uh, this is a bit strange.
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  SPEAKER_07: Puts a little eerie feeling in our stomach, and we're like, alright, we'll move over to the garage.
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  SPEAKER_07: And there's a we forced entry through the rear door, one of the back doors.
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  SPEAKER_07: And um, there's he happens to have a nice key rack with all these keys organized, very easy to find.
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  SPEAKER_07: So like, uh before we leave, before we try and do any other further inquiries, we'll go check the garage, which is a separate building of the house just in the backyard.
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  SPEAKER_07: As my partner Mike was looking through the keys, both of us hear a thud in the back of the house.
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  SPEAKER_07: We've already cleared.
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  SPEAKER_07: We both look at each other and just go, hang on a sec.
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  SPEAKER_07: This this might be not turned out what we're saying.
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  SPEAKER_07: We might be in a cupboard or something.
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  SPEAKER_07: You might, old fella might have a little bit of dementia and him think we're breaking into his house.
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  SPEAKER_07: And he's sure.
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  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_07: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_07: So we're back on, flashlights are back out, and we're going through clearing the house a hole again, yelling out, like, are you here, mate?
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  SPEAKER_07: You where are ya?
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  SPEAKER_07: As I'm approaching to the back of the room, the back of the house, there's a doorway that I'd already opened and I'd personally cleared, made sure no one was in there.
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  SPEAKER_07: There's a bedroom and a bathroom behind this door.
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  SPEAKER_07: As I'm walking up towards it, I've got my flashlight on the door.
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  SPEAKER_07: Let's do a quick scan to the living room, scan back onto the door, and all of a sudden I just see the door handle.
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  SPEAKER_07: I swear it went down, but the body of corn tells me otherwise it went up.
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  SPEAKER_07: But I see that door handle suddenly just jolt on me, and then the door slowly starts to swing open, and I've just jumped back the old fella's name and swung the door open, had a little bit of a pie.
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  SPEAKER_07: Michael, my pilot, and obviously he didn't see it, and he's just walked straight through and he's gone, what are you doing, mate?
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_07: Like, there's no one there, no one's there, so we've re-cleared that whole thing, still no one there.
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  SPEAKER_04: Wait, and no explanation of how explanation.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_06: Hold on a second, hold on a second.
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  SPEAKER_06: So you're telling me that the door opened by itself.
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  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_07: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_04: How do you even explain that?
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_07: Like I checked the door a little bit about it.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_07: It's on body worn camera.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_07: It's on body worn voltage.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_07: You we went frame by frame as soon as I got back to the station, docked my body worn.
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  SPEAKER_07: I got everyone gathered around and like, look, I'm not crazy, you guys.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_06: Let's let's have a quick look at it, I reckon.
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  SPEAKER_07: So when I go through it, I'm like looking at it.
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  SPEAKER_07: I wish my like Michael wasn't looking at it.
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  SPEAKER_07: He was looking in the living room somewhere else.
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  SPEAKER_07: And he just you see me in the corner of his footage, like jump back and like switch hand go, Christos, because that was the fella's name, and I quickly open the door.
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  SPEAKER_07: But you see the door handle is like down, it jumps up, and then the door slowly starts to swing open a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_06: Oh my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_07: Okay, that is um creepy.
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  SPEAKER_06: I'm not gonna lie, that's pretty creepy.
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  SPEAKER_04: Like, how did you feel?
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  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, the whole thing from the beginning is quite like has you on edge, but when you see that door move, how did you feel?
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  SPEAKER_07: Like, so I initially like I swear, because it was one of those lever style handles like the door that you have there.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_07: So I like it's very easy to I thought I saw someone like it, like a very obvious motion of someone turning it down, but when we watched it back, it's like moved up.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_07: So it's probably the weak springs on the door, but it didn't feel that way at the time.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_07: I felt that.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_06: Um, can I just confirm the old old bloke who owned the house?
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_06: Is he okay?
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_06: He's okay.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_06: Ah, fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_06: So we managed to did you did you ask him about sort of doors that open themselves?
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_07: Uh we did not, unfortunately, no.
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  SPEAKER_07: But um, we did catch up with his son, who happens to live around the corner, and um he was telling us that it's gonna be a great Christmas story to tell.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_07: Um, that uh we had to kick in his door and look for his dad and uh had a door swing open on us.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, I'm glad that he's okay, it's the main thing.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I hate ghosts.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_06: Like I I'm terrified of ghosts and uh ghosts, poison, um, diseases, stuff that you can't you can't taser it, you can't put it in handcuffs.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_06: You can there's nothing you can do.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_07: No, not really at all.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I had a moment here where I was kind of uh just wanted something in my right hand as I swung the door open with my left.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_07: I was holding my flashlight in my left hand, and I just switch it for no reason just to kind of get a better angle on the door.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_07: But that's all I could really do.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_07: It's like I just want to see what what's done this.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_06: And and did you get much um commentary from your colleagues or your your boss?
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, once I got back to the station, I did um from Michael at the time.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_07: He he like paid me off.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_07: He was like, We're we got a job at hand, and I'm like, Did you not just see this door?
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_07: And I'm like there, like tearing the door handle, trying to make sure, like, how's this done there?
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_07: He's like, No, you're good.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_07: What are you on, mate?
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, no, as soon as we got to the station, had that body worn up.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_07: I think the team, the new team was coming over from changeover.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_07: So I had like, God, probably eight people around the body one.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_07: We're going frame by frame.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_07: I'm like, there it is, there it is.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_07: Everyone's like, Oh yeah, I can kind of see that.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_07: You're not wrong, mate.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_04: And I think as a police officer, you're always looking for the facts, right?
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_04: With what's there in front of you when you can't see anything, it can imagine it'd be pretty um, yeah, something that you can't explain.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's pretty scary.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it's a bit different, especially like most jobs you go to, you can usually read out the facts and be like, oh, someone's done this, and that's caused this chain of effects.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_07: This one's like how's that?
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_07: How's that happen?
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, thanks for coming in.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_04: Hopefully, there's no other spooky encounters that you can't explain in your future.
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  SPEAKER_04: But um, yeah, thanks for telling us all about it.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_07: Absolutely, no worries.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_07: Thanks for having me.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, happy happy Halloween.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_07: Happy Halloween indeed.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_04: This is WA Police Confidential.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_06: Lockie, if this happens to somebody who uh is listening to this podcast or watching this on YouTube, who are they gonna call?
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_07: Definitely the place.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_07: Not Ghostbusters.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_07: We are the Ghostbusters now.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_06: I love that.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_06: And look, um, in honour of uh your you know pretty spooky encounter, um, I think we asked the WA Police Pipe Pipe Band to uh take us out of the segment with the Ghostbusters theme song.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_06: I think that's fair.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_06: Very fitting.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_06: Very fitting.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_04: This is WA Police Confidential.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know about um you, but I did want to say anything to um Lock in our last uh last segment that um I'm not a hundred percent sure that the door handle actually moved.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we'll have to review that Bonnie Warren frame by frame.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_06: Uh yeah, uh yeah.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_04: As a skeptic, I don't know.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_04: But I mean he told the story before.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_04: He told a very good story.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_06: Is that a ghost story or something?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_06: It was a ghost story.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_06: Uh ladies and gentlemen, uh, thanks very much for uh sticking with us.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_06: We're joined now by uh Superintendent Jeff Dixon from Police Airwing.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_06: Jeff, thanks very much for coming on board.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you for the invite.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_06: Well, and look, no go do you have any ghost stories before we move on?
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_06: Because we we we did talk about a police and ghost story just a minute ago.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: I've lived in towns where there are ghosts apparently, but no, not seen any myself.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_06: All right then.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_06: Hmm.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_04: But what you can tell us about today is something pretty exciting for for the agency.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_04: Um Drone as First Responder.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_06: DRFX.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_06: Very cool.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_06: Um what is it, Jeff?
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_06: It's an Australian first.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely it's an Australian first.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, look, I um drone as first responder is uh just an enhancement of what we do today.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: It allows us uh to send drones out in advance of police vehicles that are attending jobs.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I think of it no differently as um, you know, two police officers arriving with a body worn camera.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um we've got a police officer now flying a drone, um, that drone's got a camera, and uh that what allows us to do is get early eyes on what's happening in the community when the community calls for assistance.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_06: So I think the big difference, and correct me if I'm wrong, Jeff, is that um you know we've all we've had drones, police have had drones for a long time, but um because of the the the regulations that are in place, we've only ever been able to fly them when they're still in line of sight.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_06: So they've been in the back of a you know a vehicle and we've put them up to help search for a missing person, that sort of thing.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_06: My understanding is drones of first responder, which is being rolled out firstly in the Mandra district, uh down south of Perth, is that you now have these cool I guess you'd call them sky ports or boxes that you've got fixed to different locations and someone 50 Ks away in Perth, if the flag goes up and someone's called Triple Zero in the Mandra area and you need to get there fast, someone 50 K's away in Perth who's sitting in a cool little room called the Rock, which we'll get to in a minute, can remotely pilot that drone directly to where that triple zero call has originated from.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_06: Is that is that about the summary, would you say?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: Sums it up beautifully.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um look, I think uh, you know, we have a couple of models.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: One's drone with a cop, which is what you say when we um have those local police officers with their drones out in the communities around Western Australia when they deploy.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: And DFR is very much around having that remote operations model.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like having a local polyir, I guess, in your local community.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um at the moment we dispatch from you know our major um central airports, and it takes us time.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, aircraft are quick, um, but it takes us time to fly the helicopter and our fixed-wing aircraft out.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: DFR doesn't.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: It we can be to you in in um seconds to low minutes, and you know, recently we've just started to learn about just how real that minutes and seconds are.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, well, let's talk about that.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_06: So we've launched it this week.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_06: Uh have we have we successfully used it on a job yet?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: We've used it on two jobs.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_06: All right, what do we got?
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: So uh yesterday uh first job right off the gate was a stolen motor vehicle that had been um flagged at a local service station.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: So uh a drone pilot had uh was sitting there in our remote operations centre, um, saw the job arrive in a in his area that he can get to, and he deployed, um flew to the site scene, scanned the uh the um service station, couldn't find the vehicle, so he returned back to uh to the the nest, I guess, to our hub, and uh started recharging.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: While he was recharging, he heard another um domestic that had come up.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: So, priority two, need to be there urgent.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, he then deployed um and was there sitting at the scene and watched the police officers turn up as uh as he watched the people that were uh calling for assistance.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: So the caller approached him.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um we could see that there was more than one person at the scene.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: A dog was there running around in the yard.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we could see a whole heap of other people at the back of the property.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: So before we'd even um uh arrived, we knew what was going on.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: So our State Operations Command Center, our family and domestic violence um sergeant who's up there giving support to our frontline teams, they were making, they were being able to get some context around what the police officers were about to hop.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: Then we they hopped out of the car and we watched them walk up and we it was almost like a little guardian angel sitting over their shoulder.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_04: That's amazing.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's pretty incredible just to have that um the eyes on and that situational awareness.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_04: How beneficial do you think that will be for not only the cops that are responding on the ground, but also, you know, victims or you know, the community, I suppose?
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's I think of it like an independent umpire.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know, uh too often we see um, or not too often, we see it all the time, where the community are recording us and uh we're recording them, you know, we've got body warm camera, they've got their phones out.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: The angle that we can do it with a with a drone when we when we are filming and we're recording at an incident that they called us to come to, um, sits back up with a holistic, high-level view and can see so much more than people that are down on the ground.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: And and at that point, it's um, you know, if that's used for evidence later on, you get the whole context of everything.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: The whole context of the of the story rather than a narrow lane of someone's ground-based uh camera.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: And that's available to people, you know, if we if we prefer charges, it's there for the state and and prosecutions and for defence, um, and they can use that footage.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_06: Um so but uh the key thing here is response, isn't it?
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_06: So how many how many minutes did it take you to get to that family and domestic violence incident?
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: So it was right out at quite a quite a distance away.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: It took us um five minutes to get there.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_06: Five minutes though.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: But it took the vehicle twelve minutes.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_06: And twelve minutes, correct me if I'm wrong, is in line with probably what is acceptable as a priority one.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right on the limit.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: They got eleven minutes fifty-six seconds.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: So they were just under the under what we would expect them to get there.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_06: So if someone calls Triple Zero, the the expectation is that we're gonna have a police car there for a for a terrible emergency where you know so someone's life might be threatened or harm might be threatened within 12 minutes.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_06: You did it in half the time.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: We were sitting there, hovering over, um, sitting back, looking at the scene and and just waiting for the police car to arrive.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_06: That's incredible.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_06: Um and the the next iteration of of this um which you know that it could take any any sort of shape.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_06: I I know that the commissioners talked about wanting to have, you know, things like uh maybe even a an ability to communicate like a speaker on on the drone.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_06: So that you know people can be a victim can be told that helps on the way.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_06: A alleged perpetrator can be told you might as well give up because you're surrounded.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_06: Um there's a lot of potential for this, isn't there?
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it exists today.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh look, the the current model drones that we're using are the biggest that we can fly um legally uh with our regulator.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: They they they give us some um rules to fly by.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um and that with a parachute is the um that sort of consumes the or fills up the one available communications port on the drone.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, yeah, we could absolutely put lights and um speakers so we could communicate.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um the next model drones that are coming out allow more.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: So it won't be far b long until we'll have that capability.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_04: And something like this is so um, you know, it it's so important for response and and cutting down those response times and and being on scene, getting that situational awareness.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_04: But I suppose it's it's really important for us to mention that this isn't us flying drones around surveilling the community.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's response to jobs.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, look, the um the clear message is that we are a response um augmentation.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's where that X comes from.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: That you know, that X factor, that magnification of the effort that we do.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: And we are only flying these drones when you call us.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we're not generally patrolling around, um, we're not doing general surveillance like CCTV cameras do in the community that people walk past every day, very comfortable walking past every day.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's not what these drones are for.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I guess it's a trust thing with the community, our social license comes with that, and you know, they can hear it from us.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: That is exactly how we intend to use this capability.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: Only in response.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: You call, we can.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_06: Um and and the backstory here, without going too much into it, but we do have to say thanks to you and and to everybody else who's worked on this for a long time.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_06: It is an Australian first, but it it took years to get to this point where there was a trial up at Yanschip.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_06: Uh the regulations had to change.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_06: I think the the civil aviation authority, safety authority, um had to allow us to get to this point.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_06: But it but it actually now potentially opens the door for maybe other agencies to partner with us if if they want to fire us main roads potentially in the future.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, look, um uh our regulator gives us an exemption.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um and so we've worked over the last four years, my predecessor, um, they've been working re it's been a long grind to get there.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um and we have to we have to fly in safe skies.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: We have to prove that we're good aviation.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_02: Community members, and that's taken a while.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: And now we're there, we want to make sure we hold that good standing.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: We are WO police, and we look forward to that relationship allowing us to grow into more capability into the future.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: And you're right, our journey that we've done with all the other state police forces has unlocked it, that exemption for other emergency services.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: And and like anything, we work with the fire brigade, we work with the ambulance, we work with all our partner agencies, and and so you know, we're paving that way so that others can um can follow us.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_06: Amazing.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_06: Um if anyone is interested in finding out a little bit more, say from a local government area or if they're uh even say um you know a socially uh good citizen in the corporate world, uh maybe is interested in in seeing if there might be some scope to bring this capability to their area, they can get in touch, can't they?
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, yeah.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: Look, our um corporate webpage has a uh a DFR um um extension to it, so they can look up our um our URL on the on the government webpage, um, they can contact me directly at um police airwing.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely happy to um share our learnings.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: We've got other policing um states coming over and and watching us very closely at the moment on how we take these first steps, and we're happy to share and learn from others.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's an important thing.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: There are people that are out there in industry using remote ops, they're flying around mine sites, they're not flying over Perth.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: We are the first in Australia to fly over more complex airspace and over more densely populated areas.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: We're at the bleeding edge of learning what it's like to do that in Australia.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_06: And look, the last thing from uh from us is if if you'd like to ask a few questions, if you want to um see one of these things up close, we actually have one on display at our uh Careers Day, which is happening this Sunday, coming at the Police Academy.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_06: Um, the date of which I think we should probably mention just in case someone listens to this.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, it is the first of November.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_04: Sunday the first.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_06: There will be a donor box there.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_06: Don't go there any other week.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, there will be another there to see.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: You might see people marching.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: You might see people marching.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, you can always just if you do head there and you can always just, you know, join join the WF police, put an application in.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, head to Let's Train Forces if you're interested.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_06: It's a great job.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I'll guess that's the last, actually, sorry, I lied.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_06: The last thing this is going to be potentially a booming career opportunity, isn't it?
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_06: Drone pilots in police.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh industry is hungry for drone pilots.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we know that from talking to our partners and to industry.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so yeah, it's uh it's certainly not the I mean, those uh 15 or 16-year-old kids with big thick thumbs that go pew pew pew.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um there is a job for you at the end of this if you're if you're really keen.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_06: So if you're a gamer, you're a keen gamer, you might just be the next generation of drone pilot.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: We tend to find they uh they accept the technology a lot um easier than us older, wiser, less malleable people.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: All units.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: The WA police force is looking for people, all kinds of people.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: People in the tech, in the computer, into formal driving, dog people, and horse people, people who like motorbikes, pushbikes, planes, helicopters, and boats, people in a big old community, helping others and solving true crime, not just watching it, you know.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Ordinary people who are up for doing extraordinary things.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: If you can be one of these people, you found your people.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: So much let's join forces.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome back to WO Police Confidential.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_04: We now have our uh next guest, Detective Things Sergeant Cam Hubbard.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks for jumping on.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_05: Thanks for having me again.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_04: We um you guys have been quite busy in the illicit firearms space, particularly this week, but all the time, obviously.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um tell us a little bit about the operation that's just unfolded in the last week.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so between the 18th and 25th of October, we participated, as did every policing uh jurisdiction Australia and New Zealand in a National Illicit Firearms uh week of action.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_05: So that uh related to obviously illicit firearms and also policing opportunities specific to each state where they saw you know what the pressures were, what the current trends were, and what was important to each state to target in relation to firearms in general, also.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, Kim, I've got a question.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_06: Why a week of action?
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_06: Is it really a week of action?
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_06: Is it more 365 days of action?
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_05: So we do have an illicit firearm team at Drug and Firearms Squad, which targets this type of activity every day, not just during the 18th and 25th of October.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_05: So uh, but it's a dedicated week where the jurisdictions from across Australia come together and specifically target and identify and action uh intelligence that's been collected through state policing agencies, the Australian Border Force, Australian Federal Police, where information collectively comes together and we identify uh certain people that may be involved in illicit activity in relation to firearms.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_05: And that's part of what we did last week.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_06: Well, what were the results for you?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, what what did you find?
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_06: What did you seize?
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_05: Well, um we executed, I think the final count was in Western Australia, 59 search warrants, uh, seized 57 firearms, uh, we seized another uh 10 privately manufactured firearms, ammunition, certain other weapons, which um to put it in context, what we call gel blasters.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_05: So they have the absolute appearance of a firearm.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_05: However, they're defined under our Weapons Act as a prohibited weapon.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_05: Uh we seized uh, I think about 30 of those.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_05: And yeah, they're quite a big concern uh due to their appearance absolutely resembling a real firearm.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_05: Uh they do shoot um pellets, not traditional ammunition, but they shoot projectiles also.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_06: It's more is there more of the concern uh that I mean, and we have seen I'm I'm I I'm aware of instances where uh a you know a replica firearm or something that looks real has been used to commit a crime because you know the person at the at the the the shop that's being robbed has no idea whether it's real or not.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_06: Is that probably more the concern with those gel blasters, the the how realistic they look?
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_05: That is absolutely the concern with gel blasters.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_05: It's also also the concern with replica firearms that can be modified to operate as a firearm.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_05: It's also the concern with privately manufactured firearms, uh certain other types of firearms.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_05: For example, uh last week we seized uh what's commonly referred to as a credit card style firearm, where it's a fold out and shoot certain amul ammunition, usually um 22 caliber ammunition.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_05: It's the the you know size of a credit card, however, obviously a bit thicker.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_05: Um we come across those quite often.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_05: They're a concern.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_05: They're not just a concern for policing, they're also a concern for the person who tries to use it in their hand.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, that uncontrolled material and imitation aspect of those being made, um, they're probably gonna endanger themselves.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_06: Oh wow.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_06: So these are like Timu firearms.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_06: Uh sort of the knockoff.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely, that's exactly what it is.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_05: Um and when you're looking at these things and they're imitation, cheap copies of the actual real thing available in the US, um, yeah.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_05: When there's a seam going around the outside, and you know, they're probably gonna split in that seam and cause some damage to the hand that's holding it.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_06: I had a friend who ordered a couch, paid, thought he was getting a really good deal um online from one of those Timo Timu style uh websites, and he thought he was getting this you know, it was pricey, but it was it was a good looking couch, and it came and it was like the size of a doll's couch.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_06: Now, I would hate to think what the firearm equivalent of that would be, but that's terrifying.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, yeah, a bit more dangerous than um the the doll's couch, but uh and uh our team are doing a search warrant today where a person who does have a firearm license is involved in significant firearm-related offending, and that's unfolding as we speak uh with uh 3D manufactured firearms, 3D printers that have been used to commit those offenses, uh certain ammunition that uh they're not allowed to have, not licensed to have, that they're in possession of, other weapons.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_05: You know, we had uh another one last week where uh a firearm license holder uh we attended that address uh in response to information that we were acting on and located not just the licensed firearms but also a firearm suppressor, a sound suppressor, which is what we call a prohibited accessory.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_05: You're not allowed to have it.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_06: I can't think of any um good reason that anyone would be using a suppressor.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, absolutely not.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_05: Well, most of us would probably relate that to what we see on movies where the bad guy is walking around with a firearm, he reaches into his pocket, he takes a you know sound suppressor out, screws it on the end of the firearm, and then you know it's it's really going bad there.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_05: The pocket of his trench coat.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_05: That's exactly yeah.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_05: So yeah, um we can all reference uh I'm sure a movie um that we've seen that on, and you know, that's when things are really getting real in the movie, but you know, you're not allowed those in Western Australia.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, we seized one of them from someone last week.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not saying that he was um gonna do anything like what we see in the movies.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_05: Uh however, can't have it.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_05: Um you can't have it.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_05: It's a serious offence to be in possession of it, and you know, there's significant penalties.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_06: Um fair to say though, the majority, vast majority of our firearms license holders, in particular in West Australia, pretty damn good, aren't they?
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, absolutely.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_05: And and I've spoken about a couple of um scenarios just then, but that's a absolutely small minority um out of, as you said, um, you know, the vast majority that all do the right thing.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, Cam, uh, before you go, uh, it is Halloween this week, and we've had one ghost story delivered by a young constable.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_06: Have you ever had a spooky encounter on the job?
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I probably couldn't call it a ghost story, but I've got quite an airy story which I reflect on uh quite often and and tell this story.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_05: But many years ago, I was um working at the um Dunsborough police station in the southwest, and I was on a an absolute hotspot for paranormal activity.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_05: So I was on a night shift.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, there were two of us on, uh, and we got called to a missing person at a remote uh location in bush area, and just you know, the mere arrival of that one, we uh arrived, spoke to a person, and there was a lady that was missing amongst the bush, and that was about as much information as we had.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_05: So I think it was about one, 2 a.m.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_05: in the morning.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_05: We set off walking through this bush just with our little mag light torches, and that's um all we had to navigate through thick bush and came across a uh a little building structure, very small, like almost bigger than a um what you would call a like a little granny flat, but smaller than that.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_05: So it was very out of place, very odd, and we already had that uneasy feeling where like we have to look in there, but this feels very airy.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_05: Was it made of candy?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_05: That would have been a better approach, and uh I think uh it probably would have been covering in ants if that was the case.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_05: But uh so look, we uh approached this door, and uh, I was given the job of you know opening that door.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_05: And I opened the door and it was like a very small little mini um church chapel type setup, and it was just out of place, very odd, and allegedly, you know, no one had been around this area for quite some time.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_05: However, we were looking for this missing person.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_05: So um opened the door, walked in, and there was a candle burning.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_05: And that absolutely made no sense to the information we've given.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_05: It put it may really made the hairs on the back of our neck stand up.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_05: Well, me anyway, I'm speaking for myself, but I know my partner was uh a bit uneasy.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so we're standing here in this little chapel in the middle of the bush in the southwest, um, thinking that someone's going to jump out at us at any time, which luckily didn't happen, but the candle's there burning.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_05: Um, we can't explain, and still to this day, I can't explain who lit that candle, how it was being maintained on the flame.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_05: There was no one in there.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_05: We we didn't find this lady at the time.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um, however, that's probably the most airy story I can come up with, which still makes me think back now.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_05: It was very uncomfortable and very odd and very airy.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_05: And we confirmed that that lady wasn't there, and we got out of there and continued looking, which uh I'm gonna say uh as scary spooky stories of the job go, that's like a nine out of ten.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_05: So probably doesn't necessarily give full context to um you know how I'm explaining it, but you know, there's probably there was more to that story when you know we're out there and on our own, and uneasy and completely unexplainable things appear to be presenting in front of us.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and then you know, when that's happening, we're hearing strange sounds and things like that.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_05: So a few other things added to that.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_05: It was um probably the the most airy thing I can sort of come up with right now.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_06: Um did you did you blow the candle out?
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_05: I didn't want to make any change to the same because you know, whatever was going on there, um it was a happy scene for someone, yeah, um, whoever lit that candle, and I didn't want to change that.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_05: I backed out of there and went about my business.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_06: It's probably Did you say to your partner, hey, I think we should split up?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_06: Search the chapel separately.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I think once I turned around and and after I'd seen the candle uh burning away and turned around on my partner, um she was gone.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_05: So on your own in there.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_06: Where do you go?
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_06: Um that uh wow, that that takes okay.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_06: Was she found okay, by the way?
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_06: The woman that was missing.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_05: She was found.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um nowhere near that location.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_05: She was found in the candle.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_05: So we were down there yelling up at the time, and she was found in Bunbury.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm pretty sure she didn't light that candle, and no one else, well, there's only one other lady at that um locate at the house, which was quite that was quite some distance from the little chapel.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_05: She didn't light it either.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_05: So it remains a mystery.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_04: Unsolved.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, maybe we'll maybe we'll find out.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_04: We'll do some digging and find out who who's out there.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_05: Well, we're we uh I don't know if it's on the unsolved crime list, but uh it is unsolved.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_06: And this was uh prior to the days of body worn camera, I take it.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we had uh less accoutrements uh back then, but certainly no body worn camera.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_05: And I didn't stop to take a photo of.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_04: Fair enough.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't either.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_06: I wouldn't either, Cam.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_06: Uh thank you so much, mate, for uh very good story.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_04: This is WA Police Confidential.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome back to WA Police Confidential.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_04: Now, our next guest, Detective Acting, Detective Inspector Gary Butler.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: Now Joey Through.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_06: Otherwise known as Midlands Finest.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_04: Now you're here to tell tell us about a pretty um big job and and it was quite a quick result.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_04: Can you tell us what happened?
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_04: It was it was involving some stolen motorbikes.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's a cautionary tile if you're thinking about stealing a motorbike, actually.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_03: I'll tell you, it's a great trial with an initiative with the WA Police Crime Stoppers and Motorcycles West Australia.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_03: So uh on Tuesday, the 20th of October, um, between uh quarter to eleven and 20 past eleven, we now know six masked offenders uh forced open some electric gates to a house in Gooseberry Hill and on the veranda um stole two motorbikes, one e-bike, a motorbike, and a and a motorbike, and um departed.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_03: We think we think in a white iSUSE Ute, we've just got to firm that up.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_03: And um, luckily the owners had air tags, and um, so they made a phone call to um Fremontal Police Station, Free Mount rang Forestfield, Forestfield rang Fremantle Raw, and the problem was um was it was a set of units.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_03: So which unit was it, what door to be knocked on?
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_03: We we did a bit of intel.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um airwing uh flew over above, put their camera on, and hiding under a blanket, under a clothesline was the flap of a wheel.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_06: Ooh, the the the telltale flap of a wheel.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: Lucky the wind was blowing, right?
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_03: And uh so the firm out of Raw um in our term kicked the door in.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_06: Raw Raw being um uh rapid rapid high harm offender response teams.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_03: And uh and we found the two bikes.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_03: We arrested uh one of the occupiers of the house, and um, he's provided us some information um that we're looking to uh pursue.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um good news is that simple air tags recover those motorbikes.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_03: So now the crook's got to be thinking does this is this trackable?
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_03: Does it have an air tag?
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it gives comfort to the uh the owners.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_03: And and it's all also you know, just the bigger picture of crime prevention.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: We may not be able to actually charge the people who stole it, but we get your property back, um, happy days.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, that that's a good that's a good story.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_04: It's one of those things that you know in the grand scheme of things is quite simple to pop an air tag on your bike or whatever it might be, whatever property you don't want to stole.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_06: I've got an air tag on my um my my greyhound, my old retired racing greyhound Maggie, on her collar.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_03: Correct.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_06: Because she is she's still quick.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_06: Well, you know, she can.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_06: She can.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, you you can put them in anything.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_03: So with with the um with the initiative uh through Crime Stoppers, if you register your bike through bike link, register with uh motorcycles uh WA, you'll get your pack.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um once you put the air t.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_03: I think the biggest message is the police don't track your motorbike.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_08: Yep.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_03: We do, you do.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_03: The owner does.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_03: We have no ability to to find that tracker.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_03: So it's only if the if the bike is stolen um and the owner sees it moving, they then ring us can and can do one of two things tell us where it is, or B give us the identification number and then we can track it ourselves.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_06: So I mean that sounds pretty reasonable.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_03: I think so.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's a great initiative and and it's free.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_03: People should get on board.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_06: Um we do we do see uh a lot of obviously um uh I guess e-bikes and motorbikes being targeted by thieves.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_06: What do you reckon that is?
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_03: I think I think they're easily disposable and they're easily moved.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_03: So uh recently we had uh motorbikes stolen from Beachborough from memory, and uh we found them in Geralton.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_03: So um so it's they're just really easily movable.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um peel a couple of stickers off, drop the price because you know they range from I don't know, a thousand bucks up to twenty-five thousand dollars.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um and if you get a good deal, you know, a twenty thousand dollar bike for five grand, you'd be pretty happy, wouldn't you?
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_03: So um so I think that's the thing.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_03: They're they're easily stolen, they're easily um de-identified, and uh people buy them.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_06: Curious.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_06: So what if you you're on a marketplace, Facebook marketplace or or you know whatever, and you see one of these deals that seems too good to be too true, like a$20,000 uh e-bike that's being sold for$5,000 and you buy it.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_06: Is there any sort of uh liability in for the person who's purchased it?
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, and what happens if it turns out that it's identified as being a stolen uh e-bike?
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_03: The police will seize it and you lose your money.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_03: But in saying that, depending on you know if the insurance paid out on I mean, there's lots of complexities to it.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um the new owner can then um apply to the police to say that's my bike, I legitimately purchased it, I didn't know it was stolen.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_03: And then the police would then need to put that before the uh magistrate's court if both parties come together.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: And determine explain to the magistrate why they believe they should have ownership and then the magistrate will make a decision.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_03: So it's it's it's like a hassle.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's quite complicated.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, again, the old thing is if it's uh too good to be true, it's probably not true.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you're probably better off just uh just being having your wits about you when you're buying this sort of stuff on marketplace, right?
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_03: I and I think I think the message that I want to sell to people is um it's it's the owners of the motorbikes, secure your property.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, um now in this particular instant Gooseberry Hill, they had electric gates, but they were forced open.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_03: So um maybe they could have had a a fence within the fence to secure their bikes.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_03: Don't be so trusting.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um if you do advertise it on uh Facebook marketplace, don't provide your details, de-identify the photos, meet people in public.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_03: But the key message is from a crime prevention is they might be able to break into your shed, they might even be able to break into your house.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: But if they can't exit your property because of the with the bolts and the and the uh locks that you've got, then they can't steal your your motorbikes.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_06: I guess it I mean it seems harsh to to put it back on the owner, but you it this is the the tough reality, isn't it?
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_06: If we don't feel it in this, in you know, cooks don't don't care about what is right or wrong or what's fair or unfair.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_06: Correct.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: No, they're just after easy cash.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_03: And if the air tags are there, again, all you do is log into your your app, ring the police, and then uh we do our best to locate the premise and look.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_06: I'm putting an air tag in one.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_06: I've got a coffee cup that sometimes goes missing from the uh from the kitchen on the sixth floor here at Place HQ.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_03: That's a great idea.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, yeah.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_03: Watch this space.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_03: Well, don't wash it, people will never use it.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_04: I'd suggest the air tag, I think.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_04: Well, say OHS issues there.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, true.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_06: Hey uh just a real quick one.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_06: It's Halloween this week, and we've had a couple of well, we've had one young constable on sharing a spooky encounter with a with a door handle that moved by itself and a door that opened, all caught on body-worn camera.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, and then we had uh Cam Hubbard in and he he shared a kind of a well, I thought very chilling uh ghost story, if you will, about finding this weird chapel in the bush with a candle lit in the middle of nowhere whilst he was looking for a person at risk.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_06: You had any weird kind of spooky encounters on the job?
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_03: I do have an egg story, but I've just remembered another one.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_03: So um I worked in Kalgooli in the uh early 90s, mid-90s.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_03: And um his family rang and said that we haven't heard from our mother, elderly mother, for three or four days.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_03: And um so we're driving up and it it must have been eleven o'clock at night.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_03: And um the rules back then was the passenger did all the paperwork that the driver had to do um like a debris fall or a sudden death file or things like that.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_03: We're thinking early mother, and we're thinking it's not good.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_03: So we knock on the door, nothing, but it's a sliding door.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_03: So we slide open the door, and all we can be hit with was the smell of mould and death.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_03: If you've never smelt it, it's really confronting.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_03: You just know this is not right.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_03: So we sneak through with our torches and we open up the bedroom door and it creaked.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_03: And then all we saw was a body under a mound of blankets.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_03: Next thing, all the blankets flipped off, and the old lady went, What do you want?
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, she sweet.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_03: So of course we had we had a good smile on her face.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, well, thankfully she was okay, but did we did you identify the like like in mold, but the smell of death?
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_03: Well, no, we didn't, but the house had just been locked up for weeks.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_03: It had no fresh air into it.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_03: I think there was some uh some animals that were being fed, they'll be looked after, but yeah, just that that whole trapped smell.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, okay.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_04: I can imagine that would have yeah, made the hairs on the back of your neck stand up a little bit when you're creaking open that door.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_03: Especially when as it went rock, paper, scissors, I had to do all the paperwork.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_03: That's the scary part.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_03: That was terrifying.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_03: Trump me with I've gone on holidays with uh all right.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, all right.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_06: Uh there you go.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_06: Well, thank you very much for coming on, Midland's finest.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_06: Uh and uh moral of the story, put an air air tag on it.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, put an air tag, put an air tag, register it with bike link, because if if we don't have serial numbers sometimes and all the stickers are tamed or and they've repainted it, yeah, we can't return it.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_03: So bike link is is the is the is the way.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_03: Uh followed up by the air tag.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I don't think we're gonna get the bite band to do this one, but isn't there a Beyoncé song about put a ring on it?
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_04: Put an air tag on it?
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_06: Put an air tag on it.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_06: We're not gonna do that.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_06: We're not gonna do that.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_06: That's I think they'll draw the line at that.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_06: Um thanks very much again for coming on.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_06: Uh this is confidential.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_06: So that's time of the week again.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_06: It's probably not good news with Claire Sienta, who has been with us for the whole podcast.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, I'm back again for the news segment.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, you are.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_06: You never really left.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, I'm here, and I've just been here the whole time this this week at least.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_04: Just hanging around.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_06: Good.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_06: All right, what do you got?
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so we had an evade incident this week.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_04: It went from Mandra all the way to Yanchep and it was stopped in Wannoroo.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_06: So that's an hour.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it was more than an hour if you're doing the speed limit.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, this person allegedly was not doing the speed limit.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_04: Driving on the incorrect side of the road.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, being speeds of up to up to about 200ks an hour.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_06: 200ks an hour.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I don't know for any of our international listeners how many how many miles per hour it is.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not good at that, but it's fast.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_06: It's really fast.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_06: Really quick.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_06: To give an example, I think the maximum speed limit here in Western Australia would be 110.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so it's you know, pretty much double what you would expect to see on our roads at the very maximum.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, really serious like allegations of dangerous driving, reckless driving.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um, police terminated that pursuit really quickly on the ground.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_06: But means they sort of pulled away from it.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_06: Correct.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so they stopped just due to how dangerous it was.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but they were able to monitor this car driving through airwing.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_06: Um there was no police car behind him, and he was still driving like a maniac.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_06: And I think that speaks to um what the commissioner often points out is that sometimes people just do the wrong thing, whether there's a police car behind them or not.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_04: And that person is in front of the courts now facing some really serious charges, including reckless driving and um reckless driving to escape police pursuit.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_06: I think uh I think there was an allegation of some serious burglaries as well.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_06: Correct, yeah.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_06: Tens of thousands of dollars worth of stuff from all over the state.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, that was I think part of the reasons why police um kind of tried to pull him over in the first place.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_04: But uh, yeah, that'll obviously all play out in front of the courts.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_06: Sure, Will.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_06: What else you got?
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_04: Uh the other thing we had car related as well, actually.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_04: A around 9 40 on Monday morning, a 30-year-old male took a$200,000 Porsche for a test drive with the the staff member in the car.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um it turned pretty ugly pretty quickly.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_04: They actually pushed the dealer out of the car and started driving really recklessly and took the car.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_06: Um, first thing, is the dealer okay?
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_06: I mean obviously quite traumatic.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_04: Very shaken, um, understandably, but um, you know, didn't suffer any physical injuries.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_06: And did we did we catch this person?
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_04: We did, yes.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_04: So they were quickly apprehended.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um, no, unfortunately not.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_04: Just used our solid police cars, just our normal police cars.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_04: And uh and were able to catch that guy and um have charged him with robbery.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_04: So some like quite scary for that that dealer, but um, yeah, luckily they're okay.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_06: Excellent.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_04: And just lastly, to finish off, we have our careers day.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_04: If you are interested in becoming a police officer, seeing what we do behind the scenes, our careers day uh is open on Sunday, the 1st of November.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_04: So come down to the Academy and up at Jindel up.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yep, in Jindel up and uh come and see all the things, all the capabilities, um, everything we have.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_06: Lots of officers from all the different sort of you know, I think 50 odd different uh careers you can pursue within c in policing, and you can do more than one um to talk to as well.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_06: So yeah, come on down.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, okay, that was a nice note to finish on.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_06: Thanks, Claire.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_04: No worries, thanks for the case.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, thank you very much for listening to another episode of Confidential.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, we've had some spooky ghost stories this week from police officers.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_06: I was not expecting pretty much every guest to have a spooky story, but it's pretty cool.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I have goosebumps for a lot of them.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, definitely.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_06: Chapel in the woods.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_06: Cam Hubbard's Chapel Cabin in the Woods, if you will.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and the and the and the mysterious burning candle.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_06: That was um that was something else.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_06: Um we also uh obviously um uh we had uh Midland's finest on.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, Detective Inspector Gary Butler.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_06: And uh Gary Gary, if you recall, if you go back a couple of episodes, um Midland were the were the guys who were investigating the theft of the taxidermied oily and was it a raccoon or some other sort of memory?
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it was a raccoon.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_06: The oily has yet to be recovered, apparently, Gary tells us.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_06: So if you do see a uh a taxidermid uh oily, which is a small marsupial-like creature, um dish Halloween, then I mean maybe just give us a call.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_06: 1-300.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_06: I can't remember the rest of the where's Nate when you need him.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_06: 1-300 crime stoppers 1-300 triple something.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_06: Who you gonna call?
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_06: Not Nate.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_06: He's getting eye surgery.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_06: We do miss you, Nate.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, we do, absolutely.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_06: Crime Stoppers.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_06: Google it.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, history fact of the week.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_04: So last week we predicted that this week's history fact would be about fortune tellers.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_04: And ironically, until relatively recently, making that prediction could technically have been a criminal offence.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_04: So wait, what?
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, fortune telling had long been treated as witchcraft, um, heresy or fraud um under English law, and it was also illegal in Western Australia.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_04: So um, proving the offense, however, could be a little tricky.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um, police needed evidence that you know money had changed hands, sometimes requiring officers or others to pose as clients, kind of undercover work, if you will.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um, with most police officers being men, some fortune tellers became suspicious of male customers and would only see women.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_04: So um that made police's job a little bit harder.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_04: But while offenders could face imprisonment, fines were more common, particularly for women using fortune telling to support themselves or their families.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the specific offence was finally removed in 1992, which is actually a bit more recent than I thought.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_06: Wait, uh more recent.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_06: Of course, the fortune tellers all knew that that would happen.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, they knew 1992 was an auspicious year.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and yeah, other outdated offences including firing cannons near houses and um beating carpets disappeared at the same time.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_04: So I didn't realise we still had those offences until 1992, but there you go.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_06: I I I look I I love that we can now fire cannons near houses.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_04: And beat carpets on the street, I guess.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_06: There you go.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_06: Um okay, so just quickly the logic then is that the fortune teller, so a police officer comes, sits down, says, you know, reveals they're a police officer, and they say, Well, I didn't know that, so clearly I'm not a fortune teller, so clearly what crime have I committed?
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_04: You can't prove it.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_06: You can't prove it.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_04: Made police jump very hard.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_06: I you know what?
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_06: We might actually have a look and see if we can find any um historical records of prosecutions or successful prosecutions of fortune tellers and um and bring that to you on the podcast.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, thanks very much.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so fortune tellers spooky Halloween stuff taking us out of uh this week's show.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_06: Once again, our wonderful Deborah Police Pipe Band with their rendition of who you gonna call?
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_06: Ghostbusters yeah, call the police though, on that number that I don't know.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_06: Just Google that one-eight hundred triple three zero.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_06: One eight hundred triple three triple zero.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_06: That was uh the disembodied voice of the podcast room ghost, aka our producer, Joe Joe G.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_04: Joe Ghost Garris.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_06: Joe Ghost Garris.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_04: Sound editing by Joe and Danny and Sam, cover song by the WA Police Pipe Band, and Cheesy Podcast Theme Music by Joey Cantonzaro.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_04: By the way, why just listen to a podcast about policing when you could actually be doing it?
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_04: Let's joinforces.wa.gov.au.