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Experiencing Joy with Chip Ingram & When Your Identity is Shaken by Pain with Christopher Reynolds · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
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  S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
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  S2: and you're forfeiting your soul, there's no amount of gain
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  S2: that would make it worth it.
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  S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S5: Oh my goodness. Almost forgot about it. And I don't
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  S5: That is amazing. Let me set it up this way. Uh,
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  S5: I'm pastor of a church here in Chicagoland called 180 Chicago,
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  S5: and we opened a new campus in an area called
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  S5: Rolling Meadows. And we had our first evening of prayer.
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  S5: And it's a beautiful thing when you've got a third
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  S5: of your church that shows up for prayer. That is
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  S5: a beautiful thing. We had the most amazing time. It was,
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  S5: I sensed the presence of God in a very significant way.
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  S5: We sense protection and there's been some downstream impact already
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  S5: from that night that too much to get into right now.
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  S5: But just I'll just tell you this prayer gets your
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  S5: life aligned with God and prayer moves the hand of God. Now,
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  S5: with that as a backdrop, I have learned something and
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  S5: I have to relearn it because it's easy to think
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  S5: we got this? No we don't. We've got this thing
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  S5: so I got asked one time, how do you really feel, Carl?
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  S5: in a few minutes, I found out how I really felt,
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  S5: I thank you that you are warring against evil fallen spirits,
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  S5: All right, so I got a question for you. We're
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  S5: talking emotions all week long. Here's the question. What emotion
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  S5: were you really good at hiding from everybody else? Just
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  S5: think about that a second. What emotion were you really
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  S5: good at hiding from everyone. So I went through a
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  S5: difficult season in my life, my bride and I did.
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  S5: It's been a number of years ago now, but, you know,
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  S5: some things are so indelibly etched in your heart and
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  S5: mind that you'll never forget about them. We found ourselves
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  S5: at a phenomenal location with some great people that were
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  S5: providing some dynamite, biblical counsel for a betrayal and a
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  S5: season of life that we were going through that just
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  S5: rocked our world, rocked us. And guys, when I say
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  S5: rocked us, I mean rocked us. So a guy invited
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  S5: me to an evening session with a group of other men.
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  S5: He says, I want you to come to this thing.
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  S5: I said, all right, what's it all about? Just a
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  S5: bunch of guys that have gone through it. And what
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  S5: what we're assembled here at this place were missionaries that
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  S5: were coming off the field who were just either burned out,
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  S5: wiped out, gone through something tough, pastors in the same situation, spouses.
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  S5: So I'm like, all right, well, what's this going to be? Because,
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  S5: you know, I'm that personality. I'd like to know what
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  S5: in the world I'm walking into. He says, you know,
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  S5: just a group of guys. We're going to be talking
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  S5: about different emotions that we have and what God can
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  S5: do about it. I'm like, oh boy, talking about different emotions.
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  S5: I don't know, that's that's not my spiritual gift to
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  S5: talk about different emotions. So he said, no, I really
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  S5: like to have you come. Well, I get there and
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  S5: the room has a circle of chairs around this kind
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  S5: of leather mat in the center of it, and the
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  S5: chairs are real tight together, and everybody's starting to get
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  S5: into these chairs and on this mat are it's a,
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  S5: it's a feeling wheel. And I'm like, oh, no.
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  S4: He wanted to tap out, didn't you?
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  S5: Yeah. And I'm like, you know, get out of here.
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  S5: So they hand everybody a rock, little rock. And they
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  S5: start going around. And this is one of these kind
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  S5: of interactions where they go around the circle and then
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  S5: the next person, the next person. And so it's coming
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  S5: to me and I'm like, oh, boy. And these guys
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  S5: were so honest and vulnerable. It started spurring me on
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  S5: a little bit, but I hadn't really felt what I
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  S5: needed to feel yet, but came to me and leader
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  S5: Paul said, Carl, how about you, man? Where are you
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  S5: at on this thing? And by this time, it's not
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  S5: just been these guys sharing where their rock was landing
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  S5: on this feeling whale, but it was also sharing the backstory.
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  S5: And I'm like, oh God, I don't want to give
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  S5: the backstory on this thing. So I reach out and
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  S5: by faith, I put my rock on the word called sad.
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  S5: And the minute I put the rock on the word
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  S5: called sad, I started to cry. And I couldn't stop crying.
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  S5: And I'm like, oh, this is the worst possible thing.
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  S5: I don't even know these guys. And they didn't know
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  S5: each other as well. We were all, they're kind of
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  S5: new to one another. And I gotta tell you, it
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  S5: was one of the best things going. It was awesome.
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  S5: Not because I stayed there, but because I had someone
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  S5: to share it with and a bunch of men who
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  S5: are going. That's okay, man. That's all right. And I'm like, uh, yeah.
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  S5: And I'm saying things like, I'm really sorry, guys. And
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  S5: they're going, oh, don't you worry about that, man. We
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  S5: had guys that put rocks on anger, rage, sadness, grief.
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  S5: So I get a question for you and I'm looking
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  S5: for phone calls on this one today. What emotion were
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  S5: you really good at? Hiding from everybody else? But then
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  S5: God changed that. And it's not that you go around saying,
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  S5: I'm mad, I'm sad, but it was an emotion that
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  S5: you hid from people and you found the benefit of
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  S5: sharing even emotions that aren't great and it's been good
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  S5: for you. I want you to give me a call.
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  S5: You used to be really good at hiding this emotion
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  S5: from everybody else, but now you're sharing it when it happens.
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  S5: Maybe with the small group, not with a large group
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  S5: of people. You don't stand up in an auditorium going, hey, I'm.
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  S5: I'm mad, but you're getting a breakthrough and God is
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  S5: Yeah, we're talking emotions all week long. And here's the reality.
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  S5: This and this is. This is very important to understand.
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  S5: I think getting in touch with what's really inside you,
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  S5: the emotions that you have. And I know this could
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  S5: sound crazy coming from a guy who's run the Iditarod
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  S5: in Alaska, born in Alaska, you know, outdoorsman, all that
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  S5: kind of stuff. I get that, but I think there
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  S5: is massive value in coming to grips with emotions and
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  S5: not hiding it from everybody so that we can bear
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  S5: one another's burdens. I got a question for you. What
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  S5: emotion were you were past tense, really good at hiding
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  S5: from everybody else, and God showed you the power of
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  S5: sharing it with people. Roger. First time caller in Cleveland, Ohio.
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  S5: What do you say, Roger? Morning. Good morning. You're on air, buddy.
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  S6: Okay. I had fear for the longest time.
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  S5: What was it like when you were able to share
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  S5: that with someone else? My man.
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  S6: It was like a weight lifted off my shoulders. Exposing
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  S6: myself to loved ones and friends that I was just
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  S6: afraid the whole time.
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  S5: Yeah. You know.
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  S6: That's. I didn't have to pretend to be the, uh,
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  S6: the big, secure, tough guy that I wanted everyone to
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  S6: think I was. We got a two. Was vulnerable and
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  S6: had feelings.
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  S5: Sorry to walk on you there, Roger. We got a
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  S5: tough guy. Uh, kind of thing that we learned in
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  S5: the locker room and in the halls of high school
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  S5: and even growing up. Real men don't cry. Tough guy.
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  S5: Real men don't have fear. But, Roger, that's really cool, man.
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  S5: I appreciate you calling in today. First time caller from Cleveland, Ohio.
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  S5: That's why we call you the boom crew. Some of
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  S5: you men feel like. Yeah, I can't let anyone see
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  S5: my emotions. But when someone can shoulder it with you,
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  S5: look out. Let's go to Lou Cleveland, Ohio. What do
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  S5: you say, Lou?
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  S7: I say fear and sadness. I was raised in a
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  S7: very rough environment. I'll put it that way. Um, and
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  S7: was taught that you don't cry over anything ever. And, um, my, uh,
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  S7: salvation was. I'm sorry not to cry for everything. Um,
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  S7: my salvation was a miracle. It was like a Saul
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  S7: Paul conversion. And even then, I still had a lot
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  S7: of things to work through. And then one day I
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  S7: was in church and the message just hit me. And
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  S7: I started to cry. And I cried for three years.
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  S7: And in that three years, I was healed. And a
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  S7: lot of people around me were healed because I was
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  S7: able to share what the Lord was doing in my
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  S7: heart and how he was healing me and how he
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  S7: could heal them too.
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  S8: That's beautiful. Lou.
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  S5: That is beautiful, Lou. Way to go. Cleveland, Ohio. That's
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  S5: why we call you the boom crew. Right there, guys. Alfredo.
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  S5: First time caller at Task Illinois. What do you say, Alfredo?
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  S9: Hey, pastor Carl, thanks for taking my call. Um, yeah,
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  S9: so I would say my feeling that I've been wrestling
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  S9: with probably my whole life is, uh, a sense of worthlessness.
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  S9: And I grew up in a home with great parents,
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  S9: but we were taught to perform and, you know, to
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  S9: mask that feeling of worthlessness. I just learned to perform.
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  S9: And it's led to success in my career, but just
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  S9: an underlying feeling of, um, I've got to look a
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  S9: certain way in order to project, you know, success and
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  S9: having everything put together, right? So that's, that's the emotion
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  S9: that I wrestled with my whole life. And I still
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  S9: wrestle with daily. But now, through honesty and a group
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  S9: of men that I connect with every Monday night and
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  S9: I share where I'm at personally and, and, you know,
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  S9: with my recovery and addiction. Um, I've, I've made great
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  S9: strides in that area.
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  S5: What do you say to a man, especially a man
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  S5: listening right now who grew up with a sense of worthlessness?
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  S5: What did it mean to you to get those words
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  S5: off your lips to some brothers?
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  S10: Uh, it means the world.
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  S9: And and I do share some of that with my group,
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  S9: but I think I share more of it in, in prayer. And,
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  S9: you know, I hear those whispers as I'm praying about,
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  S9: you know, these feelings. Um, I, I hear the Lord whisper,
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  S9: you are enough and you are loved. And he loves
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  S9: me for who I am right now. Right.
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  S5: Amen. Alfredo, I want you to do something, man. Thank
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  S5: you for calling in. Boom, brother. I want you to
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  S5: go tell those brothers what you told me on air today.
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  S5: And I think you're going to find them to rally
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  S5: around you in a big way. Keep it up, Alfredo.
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  S5: I love you taking your calls here. Good response. Blown
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  S5: away by this. What's that emotion that you used to
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  S5: hide from others? And now it's like, nah, man, I'm
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  S5: going to get it out there. Mark in Wayne, new Jersey. Uh,
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  S5: is that right? Good to have you with us here, Mark.
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  S5: That is.
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  S11: That is correct. Yeah. Uh, the emotion that I was, um,
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  S11: hiding was emotion of shame. Um, I was abused as
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  S11: a boy, and I had a lot of shame from that.
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  S11: A lot of guilt. And that did not belong to me.
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  S5: No it didn't.
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  S11: There's no reason for me. And once I started sharing it,
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  S11: once I came out and told somebody, it lifted the burden.
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  S11: The truth came out that I was innocent. Yeah. That
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  S11: the shame didn't belong to me.
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  S8: Yeah.
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  S11: And it And set me free. It changed my life.
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  S11: I went through life being ashamed of everything I did
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  S11: and everything I thought. And once it was confessed and
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  S11: out there I was set free from it.
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  S8: Yeah.
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  S5: Mark, I gotta tell you, man, that is powerful. And here's,
• 19:43
  S5: here's the thing that you need to know. Satan will
• 19:47
  S5: do a tap dance on your mind by taking the
• 19:52
  S5: junk from the past that happened to you and assign
• 19:56
  S5: attribution on you that is not yours to carry. Right.
• 20:03
  S5: Super day. My goodness.
• 20:05
  S4: I'm almost in tears hearing some of this because I
• 20:08
  S4: could feel it and I understand it. And you're right.
• 20:11
  S4: I wish you almost say that statement one more time.
• 20:13
  S5: Well, I mean, Satan will attempt to, through accusation and deception,
• 20:18
  S5: attribute to you something that is not yours to carry
• 20:25
  S5: And that is critical to know. Great response here guys.
• 20:30
  S5: I don't know what emotion you're carrying. Some of you
• 20:33
  S5: are tough guys. And it's like yeah. Life's been disappointing.
• 20:40
  S5: Tell somebody man, you know if you keep that thing
• 20:45
  S5: bottled up, I'm convinced of this. The incarnational reality of
• 20:52
  S5: Christ in other people is that Jesus works through the
• 20:58
  S5: lives of regenerate men and women around us who can
• 21:02
  S5: help us see what we can't see. That's the hope
• 21:07
  S5: and that's the reality. So we're going to be talking
• 21:11
  S5: emotions all week long. Are we going to be talking joy? Elation? Yeah,
• 21:16
  S5: we're going to be talking giddy. But we're also going
• 21:20
  S5: to be talking shame and pain And anguish and sadness
• 21:25
  S5: and anger. And what God can do about it. And
• 21:30
  S5: it is powerhouse. Till God and maybe one other right now.
• 21:34
  S5: What you're really feeling. And watch what God can do.
• 21:38
  S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
• 21:42
  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
• 21:45
  S5: Jim Coakley, professor here at Moody Bible Institute. Let's we've
• 21:50
  S5: got a couple of things to talk about. First is,
• 21:52
  S5: what are some emotions that we find in the scriptures,
• 21:55
  S5: my man, that are very real. A downcast soul for sure.
• 21:59
  S12: Oh, sure. I mean, we think about the I mean,
• 22:01
  S12: that's what we love about the Psalms. It really gets
• 22:04
  S12: the full range of emotions, the joy. Hallelujah. But then
• 22:08
  S12: we also get why are you in the pits? You know,
• 22:10
  S12: and so where are you, God? So that's why I
• 22:13
  S12: think the Psalms are great because they give voice to
• 22:15
  S12: our emotions. But I also think too, of the relational
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  S12: aspect of emotions. the fruit of the spirit. You know,
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  S12: if we're in right relationship with the Spirit of God,
• 22:25
  S12: we get certain emotions that get produced. And I like
• 22:28
  S12: to think of those fruit of the spirit as triads.
• 22:30
  S12: The first three love, joy, peace are when you're in
• 22:33
  S12: right relationship with God. Those things all just kind of
• 22:36
  S12: kind of ooze out. And then the next three when
• 22:39
  S12: you're in right relationship with others, and then when your
• 22:42
  S12: right relationship with yourself, the last three. And so it's
• 22:45
  S12: all about relational. And because we experience emotions in relationship
• 22:49
  S12: or because of relationships, and it's great to have the
• 22:52
  S12: Spirit of God energize those.
• 22:54
  S5: My goodness, I had not seen those triads before. That's fascinating.
• 23:00
  S12: Yeah. I mean, because, you know, fruit, it's got to
• 23:02
  S12: be attached, as you know very well. It's got to
• 23:05
  S12: be attached to the vine. And so if we're in
• 23:07
  S12: right relationship to the vine, here's the fruit that comes
• 23:10
  S12: as a result of that. We're in right relationship vertically.
• 23:13
  S12: We're in right relationship horizontally. And when right relationship internally.
• 23:16
  S8: Yeah.
• 23:17
  S5: That's really good. Yeah, emotions are real. And, you know,
• 23:21
  S5: I think one thing I want to say is a
• 23:23
  S5: lot of Christians try to spiritualize some emotions if you're sad.
• 23:27
  S5: I think you need to be sad and own it
• 23:30
  S5: rather than ignoring it because you want to invite God
• 23:33
  S5: into that moment, don't you? Jim?
• 23:35
  S12: Yeah. I mean, to me, that's why the Book of
• 23:37
  S12: job is such a wonderful because, you know, job goes
• 23:39
  S12: through the full gamut of emotions, including kind of shaking
• 23:42
  S12: his fist at God. How come you're not answering me, God.
• 23:45
  S12: And I love it that God can handle our questions.
• 23:49
  S12: And so even our deepest despair questions, he can handle that. Now,
• 23:52
  S12: he's not only going to answer them to our to
• 23:54
  S12: our liking, or not even at all. He's just going
• 23:57
  S12: to say simply trust. Were you there when I did this?
• 24:00
  S12: And all of a sudden you realize, okay, there is that, that,
• 24:03
  S12: that kind of thing of surrender. Yes, to the perfect
• 24:07
  S12: will and peace of God even in the midst of
• 24:09
  S12: the storm. So the picture of peace is not, you know,
• 24:12
  S12: kind of a tranquil scene. It's a, a dove and
• 24:15
  S12: a cliff of, of a storm in Iraq. And then
• 24:18
  S12: you see all the storms rage around you. If you
• 24:21
  S12: can have peace in those moments, you are really, really,
• 24:23
  S12: really blessed.
• 24:25
  S5: It's a beautiful thing. Nothing like the presence of God
• 24:28
  S5: in rehearsing that. Jim.
• 24:30
  S12: Yes. Yeah. The presence of God is really what again,
• 24:33
  S12: forms those those emotions, both positive ones. And then the
• 24:37
  S12: lack of God seemingly answering our questions results in a
• 24:41
  S12: lot of negative ones. But we can you know, I
• 24:45
  S12: like that phrase. Never doubt in the dark what you
• 24:48
  S12: learned in the light a man. And so, you know,
• 24:51
  S12: it's hard. We go through those dark times when we wonder, okay,
• 24:54
  S12: what's going on? But then when we realize, hey, you know,
• 24:57
  S12: you walk me through so many things before, why can't
• 24:59
  S12: I can't, why can't I trust you right now, in
• 25:01
  S12: the moment?
• 25:02
  S5: Yeah. It's really true. Okay. Coming up here, doctor Jim Coakley,
• 25:06
  S5: my guest right now, we've got a pop up opportunity
• 25:10
  S5: for you that's really cool. Won't apply to everyone, but
• 25:13
  S5: it will get all of us thinking about wow. Maybe
• 25:16
  S5: my perception of a certain place was wrong. Details coming up.
• 25:21
  S1: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
• 25:24
  S4: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
• 25:27
  S4: to stay in your past, and I want you to
• 25:29
  S4: know and believe that today.
• 25:31
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• 25:33
  S5: When you think about Israel, there's a lot of emotions
• 25:36
  S5: that come our way. One is fear. The thought that,
• 25:39
  S5: oh my goodness, it's proximity in the Middle East and
• 25:43
  S5: the ire that it has of so many nations around it.
• 25:46
  S5: The amazing reality is that it could be one of
• 25:52
  S5: the safest places on earth, not just because of the
• 25:55
  S5: Iron Dome, but for a lot of reasons. Doctor Jim Coakley,
• 25:58
  S5: right now, professor of Bible at Moody Bible Institute and
• 26:02
  S5: by the way, awarded faculty citation in 2025 at Founder's Week.
• 26:07
  S5: Very respected man of God and a great tour guide
• 26:10
  S5: to Israel. Okay, what's going on? The perception of Israel
• 26:14
  S5: can be a bit flawed here, can't it? My friend?
• 26:16
  S12: Yeah, it sure is. I mean, certainly there is lots
• 26:18
  S12: of issues going on in the Middle East, a lot
• 26:20
  S12: going on there. But when you think about Israel, nearly
• 26:23
  S12: 10 million people live there. And so this is their home.
• 26:25
  S12: And so life is going on just like it's going
• 26:28
  S12: on here for us. And so yeah, are there challenges?
• 26:31
  S12: Are there concerns? But it's just kind of the same
• 26:33
  S12: thing for us here. It's just a matter of, you know,
• 26:35
  S12: where do you put your trust? Now again, we're not
• 26:38
  S12: to be foolish. We're not to be unwise. But at
• 26:41
  S12: the same time, I think there's opportunities that we can
• 26:44
  S12: avail ourselves to. I was just talking to a student
• 26:46
  S12: just last week. He's from Israel. He just was. He
• 26:49
  S12: lives in Israel. He said it was perfect over the summer.
• 26:52
  S12: And then I just talked to Omer recently, and he
• 26:55
  S12: also just came back from leading a tour in Israel. So,
• 26:58
  S12: you know, he says it was fine. So, you know,
• 27:01
  S12: it's not a lot of tour groups are going there
• 27:03
  S12: right now for. I think we all can understand why.
• 27:06
  S12: But there are some opportunities to go.
• 27:08
  S5: And we've got one for you boom crew. Now this
• 27:11
  S5: is kind of last minute because we're topping off a
• 27:14
  S5: small team of folks that are going, but this is
• 27:16
  S5: gonna be a study tour. Some of you have the
• 27:20
  S5: means and the ability to jump on today with this.
• 27:24
  S5: What are the details and what's got you so excited
• 27:26
  S5: about this? Israel is basically wide open right now, isn't it,
• 27:29
  S5: for travelers?
• 27:30
  S12: The airport is open. The sites that we go visit
• 27:33
  S12: are going to be open. In fact, we'll have run
• 27:35
  S12: of the land. I mean, that's the thing. A lot
• 27:36
  S12: of people are for different reasons not going. And so
• 27:40
  S12: there's again, we'll have a small group, we'll be nimble.
• 27:44
  S12: We'll be able to go around, we'll be able to
• 27:45
  S12: visit more sites in a day because of the size
• 27:48
  S12: of the group and just be be there. So our
• 27:50
  S12: trip dates are November 15th through the 24th. So it's
• 27:54
  S12: coming up really, really soon. Uh, so we'll get you
• 27:56
  S12: back in time for Thanksgiving with your family and friends. Uh,
• 28:00
  S12: but this is a ten day tour to Israel. Uh,
• 28:03
  S12: we have a few spots opened because of some people,
• 28:06
  S12: for whatever reason, backed out. So there's an opportunity for
• 28:09
  S12: some of our listeners, but you would have to jump
• 28:11
  S12: on board right away and pay for the whole trip.
• 28:14
  S12: This next couple of days, because we need to kind
• 28:17
  S12: of finalize the count.
• 28:18
  S5: Yeah. So it's good to know the information on Israel
• 28:21
  S5: for sure. And we want to make sure we got
• 28:24
  S5: this out there for you. Boom crew. Because going with
• 28:27
  S5: Jim Coakley, here's the truth. You're going to come back
• 28:31
  S5: from this trip. You're going to read your Bible with
• 28:34
  S5: fresh eyes like you can't imagine. It'll supercharge you. Some
• 28:39
  S5: of you have been before, but you've not been on
• 28:42
  S5: a trip where you've got a smaller group and it's like,
• 28:45
  S5: let's go. We'd love to have you be a part
• 28:47
  S5: of this. November 15th through 24th. Always want to make
• 28:51
  S5: these opportunities available to you. And we've got one right now.
• 28:56
  S5: Text the word trip to 805 557898, trip to 800 555, 78, 98.
• 29:08
  S5: Get the details, get signed up. You got to get
• 29:11
  S5: in quickly. And I think we've got room for maybe
• 29:15
  S5: 8 to 10 people to jump in. You can come
• 29:17
  S5: as an individual. Come as a couple, come as a
• 29:20
  S5: small group. Cap it off this morning. Text trip to
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  S5: 855 57898. What are you most excited about seeing on
• 29:28
  S5: this trip?
• 29:28
  S12: Oh, there's so many things that have been done even
• 29:31
  S12: since the last time I was there, which is just
• 29:32
  S12: a couple of years ago. So a number of things
• 29:34
  S12: have been opened up at Caesarea Maritima. There's things in
• 29:37
  S12: Jerusalem that have been opened up. Uh, and so I'm
• 29:40
  S12: really excited about going back myself, but also I just
• 29:43
  S12: love taking people there and let the, let the lights
• 29:45
  S12: go on in their eyes when they all of a
• 29:47
  S12: sudden see the scriptures that they have read for many,
• 29:50
  S12: many years now just really come to life. And there's
• 29:53
  S12: just nothing like for me as a teacher to stand
• 29:55
  S12: and open the Word of God right at the spot
• 29:57
  S12: where these things happened. And also you get to know
• 29:59
  S12: a really small group of fellow believers. And it's just
• 30:02
  S12: a really tight bonding experience. So it's got something for everybody.
• 30:06
  S12: If you love history, if you love food, if you
• 30:08
  S12: love geography, if you love the Bible, it's got something
• 30:11
  S12: for you.
• 30:11
  S5: I would say that the Israel Guide, all these trips
• 30:14
  S5: have to have someone from Israel who's the guy? I
• 30:17
  S5: would say Omer Eshel has to be in the top
• 30:20
  S5: 2 or 3 guides in the whole nation, wouldn't you say?
• 30:23
  S12: Yes. I mean, he's trained a number of other guides.
• 30:25
  S12: And what's nice about Omer is that he also is
• 30:28
  S12: very connected. And so he can get us into places. Yes.
• 30:33
  S12: And it's truly amazing. So this really is a very
• 30:37
  S12: great opportunity. And again, it's not for everybody. Uh, if you, uh,
• 30:41
  S12: you know, have that space, you have the, the time,
• 30:44
  S12: you have the funds to be able to quickly get
• 30:45
  S12: on board. Maybe the Lord is prompting you to consider
• 30:48
  S12: this trip.
• 30:49
  S5: Yeah, it could well be. So trip to 805, five, five, 78, 98.
• 30:54
  S5: And there's so many links going out. I think we
• 30:57
  S5: got people hungry to go, what in the world? Let's
• 30:59
  S5: jump on board. If we're back by Turkey Day, we're
• 31:02
  S5: in good shape is what they're saying.
• 31:03
  S13: That's right.
• 31:04
  S5: All right. Tex trip to 805 557898. Jim, thanks for
• 31:09
  S5: ducking in here this morning, man.
• 31:11
  S13: You are so welcome, my friend.
• 31:13
  S1: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.
• 31:16
  S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 31:20
  S5: So when you're in the middle of pain, any notion
• 31:24
  S5: that there might be purpose in this seems far off.
• 31:27
  S5: So we got to spend some time and walk through
• 31:30
  S5: this a bit, don't we?
• 31:31
  S2: Yeah. We have a special guest who's going to help us.
• 31:33
  S2: His name is Christopher Reynolds. He ministers and churches, conference
• 31:36
  S2: camps and retreats. He has a book called Bare Through
• 31:40
  S2: It Turning Pain into Purpose.
• 31:43
  S5: All right, Chris, let's get after this. I want to
• 31:46
  S5: begin with your story, my man. Tell us.
• 31:48
  S14: Well, ten years ago, my wife and I got married.
• 31:51
  S14: Great celebration. The cool story behind that. It was the
• 31:55
  S14: season at my church that I was working at that
• 31:57
  S14: it was it was sabbatical year for me. So it
• 32:00
  S14: worked out timing wise that literally when I got married,
• 32:04
  S14: I took a one month sabbatical right after we got married.
• 32:08
  S14: So its honeymoon for a month. Well, we come back
• 32:11
  S14: from our honeymoon for a month and literally I'm riding
• 32:16
  S14: my motorcycle on the way to work as I'm riding
• 32:19
  S14: to work. There's this intersection, like right, right before the
• 32:23
  S14: church where it's kind of on a hill. The light.
• 32:26
  S14: And as I'm going through this, I'm accelerating, probably going 40, 50mph.
• 32:32
  S14: There's a truck coming towards me that honestly had a
• 32:36
  S14: like a yielded turn signal into that neighborhood did not
• 32:41
  S14: see me at all. And so as I was accelerating
• 32:43
  S14: through the light, this Ford F-150 just turned right into me. Literally,
• 32:48
  S14: I met pain head on. To this day, like if
• 32:51
  S14: I close my eyes and just visualize it, I can
• 32:53
  S14: still see the front of the truck just hitting me.
• 32:57
  S14: And the next thing I know, I'm on my back
• 33:00
  S14: and the world is spinning. And when I say spinning
• 33:04
  S14: and I saw the sky literally spinning, my body was numb.
• 33:08
  S14: And quite honestly, one of my friends who's an EMT,
• 33:12
  S14: he showed up. He told me later that when he
• 33:14
  S14: saw the accident, he said, okay, this guy's dead. Yeah.
• 33:17
  S14: Another person said, hey, do you have family? I said, yes,
• 33:20
  S14: I do call my wife, you know? And what I
• 33:23
  S14: didn't share to you guys yet was five days prior
• 33:26
  S14: to this accident, we found out we were pregnant with
• 33:29
  S14: our first child. And so they rushed me off to
• 33:31
  S14: the to the hospital and all I keep thinking about
• 33:34
  S14: all these different emotions of, is my wife going to
• 33:37
  S14: be a widow now with my son? Be fatherless like
• 33:40
  S14: these were the emotions that hit. But as soon as
• 33:43
  S14: they found out I was okay, the silence was deafening.
• 33:47
  S14: Like everyone left the room and it's just me in
• 33:50
  S14: that room. My wife was there and that's when the
• 33:53
  S14: emotions hit me. That's when the the emotional pain hit
• 33:57
  S14: me and I just started weeping. I say all that
• 33:59
  S14: to say. After a few surgeries, I ended up, you know,
• 34:02
  S14: obviously getting to go home, but I'm casted up both
• 34:06
  S14: arms and my leg all the way down to my ankle.
• 34:10
  S14: I could barely walk. Someone donated a recliner. So for
• 34:13
  S14: the next two months I just got married. For the
• 34:16
  S14: next two months I slept on a recliner and my
• 34:19
  S14: wife jokes. Now she was like, man, we just got married.
• 34:22
  S14: But this was like, what marriage was supposed to be
• 34:24
  S14: like at the end of her, you know, you know,
• 34:27
  S14: she said, I was already in geriatric care and, and
• 34:30
  S14: the honeymoon phase ended quickly. I remember being frustrated with
• 34:35
  S14: God because here I am. I thought as a husband,
• 34:38
  S14: your provider protector, but no longer can I provide and protect.
• 34:42
  S14: I'm thinking, okay, my future kid, will I ever be
• 34:45
  S14: able to run and play, you know, play catch with them?
• 34:49
  S14: And then for me, ministry, I was at like a,
• 34:52
  S14: I want to say a peak, but a really pivotal
• 34:55
  S14: time in ministry for me as a youth pastor. Now
• 34:58
  S14: I'm sidelined. I can't even do that. And if I'm honest,
• 35:00
  S14: I think I think I built my identity around being
• 35:03
  S14: a youth pastor, and now I couldn't even do that. Yeah.
• 35:06
  S14: And so I remember sitting in my living room on
• 35:08
  S14: this recliner spending time with Jesus. And I, I'm, I'm frustrated.
• 35:11
  S14: I said, God, what do I do now? Who am
• 35:13
  S14: I now? What do I do? And I really felt like,
• 35:17
  S14: you know, God spoke to me and said, hey, why
• 35:20
  S14: don't you write down the lessons that you're learning in
• 35:23
  S14: this pain? And so every day I would write down
• 35:25
  S14: a new lesson that I was learning, whether that be
• 35:28
  S14: surround yourself with community, whether it be healing as a process.
• 35:32
  S14: I started writing these lessons down. I don't post them
• 35:35
  S14: on social media and they got some traction. And through that,
• 35:39
  S14: you know, after ten years and God brought it up
• 35:41
  S14: again to me this past, you know, in 2025, it's like, hey,
• 35:45
  S14: you should write that into a book. And so that's
• 35:48
  S14: why I'm here, right? Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:50
  S5: Awesome.
• 35:50
  S2: Christopher Reynolds with us. He has the book called Bare
• 35:53
  S2: Through It Turning Pain into Purpose. You know, as you're
• 35:56
  S2: writing down these lessons. I mean, obviously there's the physical pain,
• 36:01
  S2: there's the emotional pain. Was this your first time that
• 36:04
  S2: you experienced this kind of pain in your life, or
• 36:08
  S2: was this a reminder of maybe things that you had
• 36:10
  S2: had to deal with earlier in life?
• 36:12
  S14: I think this is the first type of pain that
• 36:14
  S14: really shook my identity. I think I've gone through emotional
• 36:18
  S14: things in the past, had the the cliche like, I'm
• 36:22
  S14: a stand on the firm foundation of Jesus. And don't
• 36:25
  S14: get me wrong, I did. But this is the first
• 36:27
  S14: time where I believe I lost a sense of who
• 36:32
  S14: I was or who I wanted to be again prior
• 36:35
  S14: to this. There's the dream of what a husband is
• 36:38
  S14: supposed to be, of what a father is supposed to be.
• 36:41
  S14: And I felt like that was stripped away. Now, most
• 36:45
  S14: people in that moment will probably dig themselves a little
• 36:49
  S14: bit deeper and allow the mind games to, to mess
• 36:53
  S14: with them. Again, I'm so glad that God was just like,
• 36:55
  S14: why don't you? Why don't you find purpose in it?
• 36:58
  S14: The highlight for me was not so much, okay, let's
• 37:01
  S14: look at the light at the end of the tunnel,
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  S14: but more so. Okay, why don't we focus on who
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  S14: you're going to become in this tunnel?
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  S5: We talk a lot. CB, CB Reynolds is our guest
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  S5: right now. We talk a lot about the need to
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  S5: lay down idols for even radically transform followers of Jesus.
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  S5: It's easy to go along the path and grab things up.
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  S5: You alluded to turning ministry essentially into an idol. You
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  S5: were finding your identity in that, you know, apart from pain,
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  S5: I don't know if you would have discovered that. So
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  S5: that's almost a grace of God. CB what do you think?
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  S14: I fully agree. I think, you know, people sometimes ask
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  S14: me like, what's what is the purpose behind the pain?
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  S14: And what I've come to realize is I believe pain
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  S14: obviously is, is an opportunity for us to not just
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  S14: grow and learn. But to be humbled. Yeah, to have
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  S14: a dependency on God. But this is what I learned
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  S14: through that season. I was able to see some characteristics
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  S14: of God that I probably wouldn't have seen unless I've
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  S14: gone through that pain. Yeah. And so in the same manner, yes, I,
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  S14: I don't know if I would have discovered the title
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  S14: or the ministry role would have been such a, I
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  S14: don't want to say stronghold as if it's sin, but
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  S14: an idol.
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  S5: Um, that is sin.
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  S14: That's where it was hard to let go. Yes.
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  S5: That's honest man.
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  S2: How did ministry change for you once you recovered and
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  S2: were able to, you know, return to I don't know
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  S2: if you return to youth pastoring, but whatever role you
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  S2: return to. How was ministry different?
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  S14: Oh, it was completely different. I continued in youth ministry,
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  S14: then eventually became executive pastor over our church. And it's
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  S14: just different whenever your life has flashed by, like when
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  S14: I have purpose Now, when you go into ministry, it's like,
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  S14: it's the fun. It's like, yeah, you're going to do
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  S14: the things. But now it's like, okay, I don't want
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  S14: to play any games. Yeah, I got every moment counted
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  S14: for me from that moment on, every moment counted, I
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  S14: became a little bit more efficient and effective. I started asking, hey,
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  S14: why are we doing these things and who are we
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  S14: doing them for? I started changing my motives of, okay,
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  S14: I understand that we've always done this, but what's my
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  S14: motive behind that? And if it didn't match with where
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  S14: I felt like God was leading us, like we just
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  S14: stripped it away. And so it changed. It just changed
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  S14: how I looked at life. And it also changed how
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  S14: I see people. And honestly, when you're in ministry, especially
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  S14: if you're in a, you know, constantly around people, you
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  S14: can become numb to the fact that this is real eternity.
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  S14: And so after this pain, I became a little bit more,
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  S14: you know, sympathetic and empathetic to people's pain. I became
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  S14: to listen a little bit more.
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  S5: That's beautiful. CB Reynolds is our guest right now. So
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  S5: executive pastor of not a small group of people. CB because.
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  S14: No.
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  S5: This was Gateway Fellowship Church. You're a young man, bro.
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  S5: How many people were you responsible for pastoring? And I
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  S5: think God used your pain to promote you sooner than
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  S5: you otherwise would have been. I'm saying this as a
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  S5: pastor now for for decades. How many people were you
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  S5: responsible for their their care and nurturing and direction?
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  S14: Our church started off as a church plant in a
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  S14: movie theater. And then the Lord continued to add, there
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  S14: was a point in this church plant season when we
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  S14: got a building. But as we started to grow, we
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  S14: just wanted to we didn't want to grow a bigger church.
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  S14: We wanted to multiply. And so from there, we planted about,
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  S14: I think, 9 or 10 other churches locally in the
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  S14: in Texas. And so I oversaw all those. Now the
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  S14: full number, a few thousand I, I don't know the
• 40:54
  S14: exact number, but yeah, I got promoted as executive at 31,
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  S14: which was quite honoring and, and terrifying at the same time,
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  S14: if I can be honest, because, because like you said,
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  S14: it's like, man, there's a decision that I make impacts
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  S14: way more than just you. But at the same time,
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  S14: I also want to stay level headed. I don't want
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  S14: to be too, too fearful. But at the same time,
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  S14: I don't want to be so prideful that, hey, look
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  S14: at me. This is this is who I am. I have,
• 41:23
  S14: you know, now the position. And so I remember talking
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  S14: to Jesus said, Lord, help guide me in wisdom and
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  S14: at the same time keep me humble.
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  S5: Beautiful man. There is someone listening today and you wonder
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  S5: how in the world can your pain be turned into
• 41:41
  S5: greater purpose? We got a great man here that's done
• 41:45
  S5: a great work. The name of the book is called
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  S5: Bear Through It. Turning pain into purpose. And I believe
• 41:52
  S5: Ali from the bottom of my heart. CB Reynolds is
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  S5: one of these unique young men that had to learn
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  S5: some tough lessons early. And I think that's the gift
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  S5: of God to us today.
• 42:04
  S2: We want you to get the resource, get connected. Just
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  S1: You're listening to Curl and Crew on Moody Radio.
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  S15: What a promise. What a vision. All you got to
• 42:22
  S15: do is look at John 15 and you see some
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  S15: of the very final words of Jesus as he's making
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  S15: his way to be the ultimate sacrifice for our sins.
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  S15: And he tells his disciples, look, guys, it's to my
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  S15: father's glory that you bear much fruit. And there's a
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  S15: lot of ways to look at that fruit, but it's
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  S15: a joy Completed, according to Jesus Himself in John 15,
• 42:47
  S15: that we would have this abiding relationship, close connection with
• 42:51
  S15: with Christ our Savior. And then the fruit of that,
• 42:54
  S15: all you got to do is go to Galatians five
• 42:56
  S15: and you see love and joy and multiple other attributes
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  S15: of those that have this abiding relationship with Christ. We
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  S15: got a man with us right now that knows and
• 43:07
  S15: wants for you to experience this in a big way. Chip. Joy.
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  S15: I mean, come on. Talk about an attribute of being
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  S15: filled with the power of God. That's got to be
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  S15: one of the hallmarks, right?
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  S16: Yeah. I think after love, I mean, all these are
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  S16: an expression of the spirit working inside of our heart
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  S16: as we're connected to Jesus by the power of the
• 43:27
  S16: Holy Spirit. But I love CS Lewis quote that joy
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  S16: is the serious business of heaven. It's really a byproduct
• 43:35
  S16: of that abiding that gives us incredible strength in the
• 43:38
  S16: midst of very challenging times.
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  S2: Chip Ingram, our guest right now. pastor, author, teacher for
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  S2: more than three decades. You know the title of this book,
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  S2: I choose Joy. Many people would get behind that. I
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  S2: spend some time on social media, and I often see
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  S2: language around things like choosing joy, choosing happiness, choosing to
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  S2: see your circumstances with a certain set of eyes. And
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  S2: it's not all biblical. This is something I think most
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  S2: people would embrace, even if they don't know what the
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  S2: root is. But what do we miss in that messaging
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  S2: of simply choosing to be joyful or choosing to be
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  S2: happy in spite of sometimes what we're going through?
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  S16: Well, I think the focus often there is that we
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  S16: have this power and we can choose this and we
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  S16: can choose that. And I think that part of the
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  S16: choosing is important. We have a decision. But the fact
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  S16: of the matter is, is that it is a supernatural,
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  S16: abiding presence of Jesus in us. The Apostle Paul is
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  S16: literally waiting possible execution. And as you study Philippians chapter one.
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  S16: He teaches us how to have God's perspective and to
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  S16: be connected in the midst of the worst of circumstances.
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  S16: And so it's something that God does. We participate. We choose. Uh,
• 44:52
  S16: we're not victims. But at the same time, that perspective
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  S16: only comes when you see life circumstance and challenges through
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  S16: the lens of an eternal perspective and what the spirit provides.
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  S15: Now, Chip Joy has some meat to it. It's got
• 45:06
  S15: some substance that actually sets itself apart from happiness. Help
• 45:12
  S15: us delineate between those two.
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  S16: Well, happiness by and large. And by the way, I
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  S16: think it's a wonderful thing to be happy. Sure. But
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  S16: even the word it's based on happenings, good happenings, you're happy,
• 45:24
  S16: bad happenings or circumstances, you're not very happy. Joy supersedes
• 45:29
  S16: that joy in the midst of the most challenging times
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  S16: allows us not necessarily always to be, oh, life is
• 45:36
  S16: wonderful and great and happy, but there's this sustaining presence
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  S16: of God that gives you a perspective as you look
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  S16: at Philippians one, which is the the whole book is
• 45:47
  S16: based on that. You know, Paul's focus is upward on
• 45:51
  S16: God and outward on people while his circumstances are. I mean,
• 45:55
  S16: he's in prison. He's chained. It's that perspective that produces
• 45:59
  S16: the byproduct of joy.
• 46:00
  S2: Chip, was there something going on in your life that
• 46:03
  S2: prompted you to explore the topic of joy?
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  S16: Yeah, it's, I guess, part embarrassing and part just real life.
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  S16: The quick story is, over a period of the last
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  S16: 7 or 8 years, I had excruciating back problems, multiple surgeries,
• 46:19
  S16: hardware in my back, problems. After that, laying on my
• 46:22
  S16: side during Covid for 21 days, could not get in
• 46:25
  S16: the hospital and being in pain all the time. Ice
• 46:29
  S16: packs everything you can imagine almost 24 over seven. And
• 46:33
  S16: you know, it was a long journey and still have
• 46:36
  S16: considerable pain, but nothing like it used to be. And
• 46:39
  S16: my wife, one day I was doing one more rehab,
• 46:42
  S16: learning to walk again in the backyard and shuffling around.
• 46:45
  S16: And I sat down and she said, can I share something?
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  S16: Just honestly? Oh, yeah. Sure, honey. Go ahead. And she goes,
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  S16: do you realize how negative you've become?
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  S15: Oh boy, that hurts.
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  S16: And I said, what? She said, honey, I love you.
• 46:59
  S16: But I married a positive, upbeat, future oriented, filled with
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  S16: kind of faith. And these years you've been through a lot,
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  S16: I understand, but when you get up, you grown and
• 47:10
  S16: people ask a couple questions and we're always talking about
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  S16: your back. And, you know, there's this internal, you know,
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  S16: publicly you're doing better. But around me, I see it
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  S16: more than others. And I remember, of course, my first
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  S16: reaction because I'm so in tune with the Lord was no, no, no,
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  S16: no no.
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  S17: Oh, man.
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  S16: And as those words were coming out of my mouth,
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  S16: I was like, oh, you're so right. And I literally
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  S16: it was probably three months later I was to speak
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  S16: at the Billy Graham Conference Center, and I was going
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  S16: to teach on Philippians one. And as I studied through that,
• 47:43
  S16: what I recognized was I needed to choose joy. And
• 47:48
  S16: this book is about going into training. This is not
• 47:50
  S16: thinking positive thoughts, declaring, you'll be joyful, not looking at reality.
• 47:55
  S16: This is a journey and a process and a practice.
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  S16: And I went into training that came out of that
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  S16: passage to learn how to look at life through God's purpose,
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  S16: God's focus, my ultimate hope, and readjust expectations. Where Jesus
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  S16: met me by the power of the Holy Spirit to
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  S16: allow me, despite the circumstances, to really experience joy. That's powerful.
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  S16: And that is what it grew out of. And so
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  S16: a lot of the very practical sides of it are
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  S16: things that I've been doing for a number of years now.
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  S16: I still have a card right in the front of
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  S16: my desk that has a passage about rejoicing always. And
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  S16: then be thankful. Be positive. Choose. Don't complain. And then
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  S16: I have these four questions that flow out of that
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  S16: passage that have transformed my thinking and therefore my life.
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  S15: You know, Chip, I think your wife and I went
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  S15: to the Great wife clinic together on how to have
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  S15: tough questions for their husbands.
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  S2: You mentioned those four questions. Can you give us a
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  S2: quick rundown on what they are?
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  S16: Sure. The first one is where's your focus when our
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  S16: focus is upward? You don't have to feel like it,
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  S16: but you choose to worship and outward you. You care
• 49:06
  S16: and pray for other people versus your focus on yourself.
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  S16: Things change. When the question is, what's my purpose? What's
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  S16: God's agenda in this challenging situation versus why me? This
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  S16: isn't fair, I hate this. I can't believe God will
• 49:20
  S16: let this happen. And the third question is, where's my hope?
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  S16: Is it in circumstances? Is it in this person? Is it,
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  S16: you know, things are going to turn out right? Is
• 49:29
  S16: it that my marriage is going to completely get better?
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  S16: Is it that, you know, until God gives me a
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  S16: husband or a wife or until my finances, we play
• 49:36
  S16: a game where we put our hope in places. And
• 49:38
  S16: so when you ask, where's my hope? And you realize
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  S16: the only anchor of your hope can be the person
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  S16: of Christ and what he's promised. And then the last
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  S16: question has probably the most helpful is, what are my
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  S16: expectations toward the end of that passage in Philippians one,
• 49:52
  S16: he says, while he's awaiting execution, he says to these Philippians,
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  S16: it has been granted. The word is grace. It has
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  S16: been granted to you not only to believe, but to
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  S16: suffer for his sake. And sometimes we get disillusioned because
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  S16: we're in difficult times. We think, God, I obey you,
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  S16: I love you, I'm following you. We unconsciously think if
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  S16: we do X, Y, and Z that somehow God is
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  S16: obligated to make our life wonderful and no problems and healthy.
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  S16: And the fact of the matter in a fallen world,
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  S16: part of the gift. And this is hard for Americans
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  S16: to hear, especially part of the gift of God is
• 50:28
  S16: the gift to believe, to be connected, to be forgiven,
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  S16: to have his spirit taken up residence in us and
• 50:35
  S16: we go through suffering with us. That process in a
• 50:39
  S16: fallen world is actually one of the key elements that
• 50:43
  S16: allow us to become more and more like Jesus. It
• 50:45
  S16: creates a dependency that can't happen any other way. He
• 50:49
  S16: allows it to happen. God isn't angry. He's not punishing people.
• 50:53
  S16: But suffering is a part of the journey. And if
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  S16: you expect it to be great all the time because
• 50:58
  S16: you've done X, Y, and Z, your expectations, you set
• 51:02
  S16: yourself up to be very disillusioned with God, with life,
• 51:05
  S16: and with other people.
• 51:06
  S5: Yeah. And that's a performance metric rather than a proximity
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  S5: to Jesus metric. And it always fails us on that.
• 51:12
  S5: I have this new conviction, having been a pastor and
• 51:15
  S5: a leader for a lot of years. And sometimes I
• 51:18
  S5: look back and go, Carl, why didn't you learn this
• 51:20
  S5: stuff sooner? But the Lord's been gracious to me, and
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  S5: I feel like the church has put before people a
• 51:29
  S5: bit of a hamster wheel of performance. And they're all
• 51:32
  S5: good things. So it's. Read your Bible and pray and
• 51:35
  S5: and give and find your gifts and use them. And
• 51:37
  S5: those are all great. But I feel like we've neglected
• 51:41
  S5: those abiding disciplines of silence, solitude, aloneness with God. Uh,
• 51:48
  S5: where we can cry out, search me, know me, try
• 51:51
  S5: me in the darkness of the morning. And I've been
• 51:53
  S5: doing this, for goodness sakes, probably six months now, really regularly.
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  S5: And I'm finding that that's the fuel for this fruit
• 52:05
  S5: producing life. It's it's him. It's his presence. It's not
• 52:09
  S5: even activity. Speak to that chip.
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  S16: Well, I would have to say that I agree with you. And, um,
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  S16: I think we have a transactional perspective. I'm going to
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  S16: do these things. So so that it's the so that
• 52:23
  S16: that kills us so that my life will be better,
• 52:26
  S16: my work will be better. My kids will turn out right,
• 52:28
  S16: my finances will go up, my marriage if I have one.
• 52:31
  S16: And so that is what kills us. Because God refuses
• 52:34
  S16: to be a means to an end. And we don't
• 52:37
  S16: have to wait till we get to heaven to be
• 52:38
  S16: with him. The same spirit that raised Jesus from the
• 52:42
  S16: dead dwells in us. And it's intimacy with him that
• 52:46
  S16: sustains you. It's intimacy that brings joy. And it's not.
• 52:50
  S16: I've read my two chapters. I've prayed through these three things. Okay, God,
• 52:54
  S16: here we go now. Make my life work. Yeah. It's
• 52:58
  S16: the byproduct, the blessings. Every good and perfect gift, in fact,
• 53:02
  S16: comes from him. But when the gifts get more important
• 53:05
  S16: than the giver, that's where we get in trouble. You know,
• 53:09
  S16: I've done a lot of counseling in my many, many
• 53:11
  S16: years as a pastor. And people come with all kind
• 53:13
  S16: of problems and struggles, and I try to listen and
• 53:16
  S16: lean in and ask questions and be very, very concerned.
• 53:19
  S16: But I always get around to tell me a little
• 53:21
  S16: bit about your own private worship. Tell me about your
• 53:24
  S16: time unhurriedly in God's Word and hearing from God and
• 53:28
  S16: being connected to him. And how do you practice his
• 53:31
  S16: presence throughout the day? And the correlation I've seen after
• 53:34
  S16: these many decades was this little time with God really,
• 53:40
  S16: really big problems. I mean, that's.
• 53:42
  S5: A.
• 53:43
  S16: Follower of Jesus, doesn't spend any time with Jesus. And
• 53:47
  S16: as a result of that, they can't figure out why
• 53:49
  S16: all the promises of Jesus they're not experiencing in their life.
• 53:53
  S5: And joy is there.
• 53:54
  S2: If you want more from our guest, Chip Ingram, he's
• 53:57
  S2: a pastor, author, teacher, teaching pastor for living on the edge.
• 54:01
  S2: Just text the word joy to 805 557898, text joy
• 54:07
  S2: to 805 557898. You'll get to his website. You can
• 54:12
  S2: see where to get the book text joy to 800 555, 7898.
• 54:17
  S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you
• 54:20
  S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's
• 54:25
  S1: Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 54:28
  S5: Now we're talking emotions this whole week, and I got
• 54:30
  S5: some good news for you, boom crew. Really good news.
• 54:33
  S5: I've got the emotion of relief. It is great joy.
• 54:37
  S5: So here's the deal. That character, Blaise, he's my husky
• 54:41
  S5: pup that I grabbed at eight weeks old from a
• 54:43
  S5: friend of mine's kennel in Alaska. His mom and dad
• 54:46
  S5: are like, I did her on champions. They're amazing dogs.
• 54:49
  S4: He's beautiful.
• 54:50
  S5: He's a good looking.
• 54:51
  S17: Dog, isn't he? He is beautiful.
• 54:53
  S5: He scares people half to death because he looks a
• 54:56
  S5: little bit coyote, to be honest with you.
• 54:58
  S4: Yes. His body.
• 54:59
  S17: Structure. Yes.
• 55:00
  S5: He looks his body more than his face. Because coyotes
• 55:03
  S5: don't have that stripe. And that.
• 55:05
  S17: Heart knows.
• 55:07
  S5: He's got a heart schnoz and all that stuff. But yeah,
• 55:11
  S5: he can freak people out and he freak me out
• 55:13
  S5: a couple days ago. Bring him upstairs. And I'm always
• 55:17
  S5: making sure get the cat toys out of there because
• 55:19
  S5: the cats are trying to take over his domain or
• 55:22
  S5: they're trying to. I got one female cat. She's trying
• 55:25
  S5: to go alpha male on the whole routine around here.
• 55:27
  S17: Well, sure.
• 55:28
  S4: Leave her scent. Of course. Yeah.
• 55:30
  S5: And yeah, she's not, and she's not marking or anything,
• 55:33
  S5: but she's leaving her toys on his mat, letting him
• 55:37
  S5: know we were here while you weren't. I know that's
• 55:40
  S5: what's going on. She's cantankerous, man. She's cantankerous.
• 55:45
  S17: Ornery.
• 55:46
  S5: So she leaves this pretty good size imitation rat. And I,
• 55:54
  S5: he got around the corner in front of me, and
• 55:57
  S5: next thing I know, all I'm seeing is he's got
• 56:00
  S5: his mouth on something, and I go open up, and
• 56:02
  S5: I grab his. I grab his mouth and I pry
• 56:06
  S5: open his jaws and I reach in with two fingers,
• 56:09
  S5: and sure enough, that bad boy is halfway down his
• 56:12
  S5: throat and I'm like, no blaze. No. And he goes, gulp, gulp.
• 56:15
  S5: And it was gone.
• 56:17
  S17: Oh, oh, oh. And it got.
• 56:20
  S5: Stuck a little bit. So I'm like, you need, do
• 56:22
  S5: you need a shake to, you know, wash this down?
• 56:25
  S5: Would you like a protein shake, Heimlich something? So I'm like,
• 56:29
  S5: oh my goodness, I got a dog. That's just frustrating.
• 56:35
  S5: So I go and use artificial intelligence. And I ask ChatGPT,
• 56:40
  S5: all right, what's the skinny here? And having owned dogs,
• 56:44
  S5: many of them back in the day, I thought there's
• 56:47
  S5: a good chance he could pass this thing. And then
• 56:49
  S5: they tell me, you know, the problem isn't the stomach.
• 56:54
  S5: It'll drop right in there. That's where it's at now.
• 56:56
  S5: It's making it into that intestinal passage. And the question is,
• 57:00
  S5: will it get shrunk down enough?
• 57:02
  S17: What you needed to know this morning. Boom crew.
• 57:05
  S5: Well, no, it's got to make it into the intestine.
• 57:07
  S5: Intestinal passage. I'm just cheering this is real life stuff here.
• 57:11
  S17: Super. Yes it is.
• 57:13
  S5: So I'm I'm like okay. Is there any value in
• 57:17
  S5: getting him to puke it up. No, probably no value
• 57:20
  S5: in that. And so I'm like, here we go. We
• 57:23
  S5: got a riding the storm out. So here we go.
• 57:26
  S5: We're so we're I'm marking time. And this morning really early,
• 57:30
  S5: I got up and I went downstairs and looked in
• 57:32
  S5: his kennel and I'm like, oh no, because he's curled
• 57:35
  S5: up in a fetal position like I hadn't seen him.
• 57:37
  S5: He's usually stretched out like soup, just like, yeah, I'm
• 57:42
  S5: in my man cave, but he's now he was in
• 57:45
  S5: a fetal position. I'm like, oh no. Well, turns out
• 57:47
  S5: it was nothing. He was just huddled up. So I
• 57:51
  S5: get him up, I go, how are you feeling, buddy?
• 57:53
  S5: He goes, give me a neck rub and I'll tell
• 57:54
  S5: you all about it. So I'm giving him a neck
• 57:56
  S5: rub and he's telling me all about it. This guy,
• 58:00
  S5: he's going to be a piece of work when he's
• 58:02
  S5: five years old because he's not even a year yet.
• 58:04
  S5: And he's like, could you scratch right there a little lower?
• 58:08
  S5: I mean, I kid.
• 58:09
  S17: He's got you trained.
• 58:10
  S5: Oh, he's got me so trained. Like he, he does
• 58:13
  S5: sit in, he does sit in protests like, no, I
• 58:16
  S5: ain't going outside. I'm not even going outside to do
• 58:19
  S5: my chores until you give me some more.
• 58:21
  S17: Of that cute. Oh man, I love you.
• 58:24
  S5: Sit down and I'll have to argue with him. I'll go. No, no,
• 58:27
  S5: we're going out. I've got a life to live. You're
• 58:30
  S5: going potty.
• 58:31
  S17: Now. He's not moving.
• 58:33
  S5: Oh, and he's doing a sit in protest. So anyway,
• 58:36
  S5: I got him outside this morning and I'm like praying. Oh,
• 58:39
  S5: dear God, please. And it's so it's it's dark. It's
• 58:43
  S5: the middle of the night. And I'm walking him down
• 58:46
  S5: the street and I'm walking him to where I get
• 58:48
  S5: under a light street light. And all of a sudden
• 58:52
  S5: he's got the urge. So he does his thing, and
• 58:55
  S5: then I have to analyze it. So I'm analyzing it
• 58:58
  S5: and I realize, man, that sucker, that artificial rat got
• 59:03
  S5: squeezed down to intestinal size and he got it out.
• 59:08
  S17: That was quick. Now, I'm.
• 59:10
  S4: Not trying to be graphic either, but that is 30.
• 59:12
  S5: 36 hours.
• 59:13
  S4: That was quick.
• 59:14
  S5: Yeah. It was.
• 59:14
  S4: Good. Good. Yeah. Very good.
• 59:16
  S5: So I'm not recommending he bites more of those things.
• 59:19
  S4: No, no.
• 59:20
  S5: And then I asked a question this morning. What did
• 59:22
  S5: your dog swallow? Guys, we had plaster and I know
• 59:26
  S5: about that because my daughter and son in law have
• 59:29
  S5: these two dogs that for some reason they love sheetrock.
• 59:32
  S5: And so I was having to constantly repair sheetrock. They
• 59:35
  S5: would take bites out of sheet. What is a.
• 59:38
  S18: Dog doing eating sheetrock? Okay.
• 59:40
  S5: And then somebody else texted in and said, yeah, my
• 59:43
  S5: dog swallowed my remote control.
• 59:46
  S4: That was yeah, that was the one that got me.
• 59:48
  S5: Hopefully that's not a, you know, one of those 80%
• 59:52
  S5: LCA jobs. It's got to be a little one.
• 59:55
  S4: Hopefully.
• 59:56
  S5: So then somebody else said, my dog swallowed a $100 bill.
• 1:00:00
  S5: This put a new definition to laundering money. I love that.
• 1:00:07
  S18: One.
• 1:00:08
  S4: You have to laugh, right?
• 1:00:10
  S5: Hey, listen, if my dog chews, if he swallows $100 bill.
• 1:00:14
  S5: I am like sifting that stuff for a week. There
• 1:00:20
  S5: is no way somebody else had a dog swallowed a
• 1:00:24
  S5: golf ball. They said.
• 1:00:25
  S4: Oh.
• 1:00:26
  S5: $4,000 later, he's alive.
• 1:00:31
  S4: What kind of. Leave that one there for?
• 1:00:32
  S5: Leave that one there. Yeah. Pardon the pun. Yeah. Oh, boy. Anyway,
• 1:00:37
  S5: so somebody just texted in socks. Two exclamation points.
• 1:00:41
  S4: That's a big one. That's a big one. Socks for sure.
• 1:00:44
  S4: For sure.
• 1:00:45
  S19: What are these dogs thinking?
• 1:00:47
  S4: I.
• 1:00:48
  S5: You know, you can't get them to eat breakfast or dinner,
• 1:00:51
  S5: but they'll eat an artificial rat. What is that all about?
• 1:00:58
  S4: No. Maybe he thought it was real and he was
• 1:01:01
  S4: protecting you.
• 1:01:02
  S20: I don't know.
• 1:01:03
  S4: I don't know either.
• 1:01:04
  S5: No, no, he is not protecting me. Just let's give
• 1:01:08
  S5: blaze some credit. He loves me, but he ain't protecting me.
• 1:01:12
  S4: Oh, wow.
• 1:01:13
  S5: He's just he's just doing his puppy thing, that's for sure.
• 1:01:16
  S4: Very good, very good.
• 1:01:17
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• 1:01:20
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• 1:01:22
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  S4: We're at 108 out of 620.
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• 1:01:31
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• 1:01:34
  S4: you so much. Thank you, thank you. Yeah. 108 out
• 1:01:37
  S4: of 620. The latest update.
• 1:01:39
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• 1:02:38
  S5: Oh my goodness. I'm getting text responses here and solicited people.
• 1:02:42
  S5: They've got dogs that are crazy. My sister's dog eats batteries.
• 1:02:46
  S5: Oh somebody else. I had $250 bills for a Christmas
• 1:02:50
  S5: gift for my daughter. And in the spring I found out.
• 1:02:53
  S5: Sure enough, she did eat them because when the snow melted,
• 1:02:55
  S5: there they were out in the yard. I'm sorry, but
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