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Speaker 1: That is just not the case.
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Speaker 2: Jazz Chisholm has been a pleasure to deal with in
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Speaker 2: New York, and he really is one of the faces
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Speaker 2: of this twenty twenty five team.
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Speaker 3: Fox Sports MLB reporter Dsha Tosa are back on FT
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Speaker 3: with us.
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Speaker 4: Dsha, good to see you. Let's start with the Mets.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I have been hooked to this Mets Dodgers series,
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Speaker 3: and it's pretty cool for the Dodgers to go from
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Speaker 3: the Yankees to the Mets. Not because of the big markets,
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Speaker 3: because the teams are really good, and I think the
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Speaker 3: Mets are playing them well. I mean they're a Brandon
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Speaker 3: Nimo bad turn away from continuing that contest. Yesterday they
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Speaker 3: won the first one. They've won more than they've lost
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Speaker 3: again against them. So what are you seeing lately from
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Speaker 3: the Mets? Of course, led by Juan Soto's bat coming
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Speaker 3: to life.
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Speaker 2: What's up, guys, Good to see you too. Definitely, I'm
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Speaker 2: right with you. This Mets Dodgers series has been way
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Speaker 2: more exciting than the one we saw over the weekend
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Speaker 2: with the Yankees Dodgers, which I think received a little
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Speaker 2: more national love. But really, I think this is the
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Speaker 2: rematch that I see happening again in October. They look
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Speaker 2: like the best teams in baseball right now. They're going
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Speaker 2: toe to toe. Even when the Dodgers were at City
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Speaker 2: Field last week, that game went to extra inning. So
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Speaker 2: I think the Mets, this is something that I've seen
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Speaker 2: from them this year and last year, is that they're
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Speaker 2: starting to play really hard against top teams. That's something
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Speaker 2: they haven't really done since. We've seen this core with Windoor,
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Speaker 2: p Alonso, Jeff McNeil, some of the brandon Nimo, some
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Speaker 2: of these returning faces that used to be kind of
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Speaker 2: a struggle for them, and now I mean they're really
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Speaker 2: rising to the occasion. And I think that just goes
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Speaker 2: it speaks to their mentality in that clubhouse. They feel
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Speaker 2: like they have an edge now, they kind of have
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Speaker 2: accepted even internally that they are a top contender. And
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Speaker 2: I think that goes right back to last postseason when
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Speaker 2: they went all the way to Game six with the Dodgers,
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Speaker 2: and we're kind of just seeing it carrying over. You mentioned,
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Speaker 2: of of course Soto. I think he's starting to look better,
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Speaker 2: but he still has to make a few more strides
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Speaker 2: at the plate to really look like the Wan Soda
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Speaker 2: that we expected here.
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Speaker 5: Do you feel like somebody on the roster can get
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Speaker 5: Juan Soto to get going a lot of times when
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Speaker 5: somebody new comes to a team, they say, well, this
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Speaker 5: guy had the connection with this guy or this guy
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Speaker 5: has this, and usually it's a country in a Puerto
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Speaker 5: Rican player has a connection with the Puerto Rican player,
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Speaker 5: somebody from Georgia with somebody from Georgia. Is there somebody
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Speaker 5: on this team that gets Juan Soto?
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Speaker 1: Yes, and that player is starling Marte.
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Speaker 2: I think they are currently kind of bringing out the
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Speaker 2: best in each other.
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Speaker 1: Even Marte.
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Speaker 2: I think he's just playing harder this year, having had
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Speaker 2: a double groin surgery too last year and coming back
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Speaker 2: to kind of being this really productive hitters is not
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Speaker 2: what I expected. I thought he would just kind of
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Speaker 2: get some reps at DH. But I think he is
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Speaker 2: showing up and showing out alongside Sodo, And we know
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Speaker 2: going back years has kind of been these conversations with
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Speaker 2: Martin and Soto. At the All Star Game, you can
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Speaker 2: kind of see that Martin's trying to get be friendly
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Speaker 2: with Sodo, maybe try to convince him to come to
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Speaker 2: the Mets.
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Speaker 1: It finally happened.
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Speaker 2: I think he was definitely one of the driving forces
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Speaker 2: for Sodo, and they are really friendly even in the clubhouse.
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Speaker 2: Even when I'm talking to Sodo at his locker, Martin's
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Speaker 2: always coming up behind and kind of joking around with him,
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Speaker 2: and they're kind of stuck to the hip.
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Speaker 1: So I think Marte will help.
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Speaker 2: Sodo kind of get out of this funk, kind of
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Speaker 2: maybe get out of his head. I think you're right
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Speaker 2: that that definitely helps when guys like Soto have someone
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Speaker 2: to lean on in a clubhouse.
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Speaker 6: A couple things about injury wise, Van Toos went down
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Speaker 6: with a little hamstring injury the other day. How's he doing?
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Speaker 6: What have they said about him? And how about Manaia?
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Speaker 6: When do you think he's ready to go? I'm ready
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Speaker 6: to come back and help this team. The pitching has
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Speaker 6: been doing really well, especially to start and pitching.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Biento's it looks like it might not be as
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Speaker 2: bad as everyone thought.
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Speaker 1: It's funny.
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Speaker 2: I was kind of joking with some of the reporters
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Speaker 2: that when he kind of tripped coming out of the box,
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Speaker 2: it was like, well, is that a really hamstering injury
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Speaker 2: or is he just covering that up? And it looked
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Speaker 2: like obviously he's on the il now. They called up Mauricio,
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Speaker 2: but I'm not expecting that to be so much of
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Speaker 2: a long stint. Of course, hamstring injuries are tricky, so
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Speaker 2: that could play out anyway. But with Manaia, it actually
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Speaker 2: looks like Frankie Montas is on his way back earlier
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Speaker 2: and MANII, the Mets are being a little more cagy
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Speaker 2: just about what his timeline will be because he has
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Speaker 2: had Manya has had some setbacks along the way that
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Speaker 2: they've kind of had to navigate and manure, whereas Montas
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Speaker 2: looks like he could be coming back sooner.
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Speaker 1: But really, I think these are big.
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Speaker 2: Inflection points in the Met season because the Pidgeon staff
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Speaker 2: has been so good, and I think just adding another
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Speaker 2: arm in that rotation, not that it'll mess it up,
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Speaker 2: but they are going to have more adjustments and a
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Speaker 2: new arm to adjust too, rather than the flow that
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Speaker 2: they've started here with. So I'm definitely interested to see
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Speaker 2: how this plays out when they start to get healthy again,
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Speaker 2: and they're especially overperforming what we all expected at the
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Speaker 2: beginning of the season that pitching staff.
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Speaker 5: Okay, Frankie Montas just automatically put into this rotation. I
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Speaker 5: get it. He got a lot of money, and in
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Speaker 5: New York money doesn't mean that much. It's about winning.
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Speaker 5: But his track record hasn't been that great. Do you
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Speaker 5: see him going automatically right into a rotation that has
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Speaker 5: been a strength of this team. And if he does,
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Speaker 5: when he struggles for three starts, is that his leash?
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Speaker 5: Is it five starts? Is it the old Well, we'll see.
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Speaker 5: It would be a good problem to have extra death because
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Speaker 5: I haven't been convinced with the Frankie montass since he's
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Speaker 5: been traded from the A's to the Yankees years ago.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you have it right.
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Speaker 2: I think I would kind of caution those sort of
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Speaker 2: narratives now with any arm that joins the Mets because
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Speaker 2: of what they've been able to do with guys, especially
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Speaker 2: like Griffin Canning, who gave up the most runs in
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Speaker 2: the al last year and suddenly he looks like a star.
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Speaker 2: And another guy like Clay Holmes where there were question
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Speaker 2: marks around whether he could turn into a successful starter
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Speaker 2: after being a closer, and he's fully excelling at City Field.
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Speaker 2: So I think I'm very, very interested and fascinated by
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Speaker 2: how this Frankie Montas turnaround will go. I think they
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Speaker 2: are going to give him a long release just because
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Speaker 2: of that contract, but I really am not expecting it
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Speaker 2: to go maybe as poorly as it has in the
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Speaker 2: past for him, just because of pitching coach Jeremy Hefner
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Speaker 2: has really seemed to find a flow and a groove
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Speaker 2: and understanding that works with this staff, and he has
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Speaker 2: other guys to rely on, and he really does. Frankie Montas,
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Speaker 2: just in person, has looked very enthusiastic, very excited to
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Speaker 2: jump back in their rotation and pitch for a competitive
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Speaker 2: first place team. So I think all of that is
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Speaker 2: going in the right direction. I think fans do have
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Speaker 2: to be a little weary that he might be a
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Speaker 2: little slow to start here first few starts, but it
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Speaker 2: could shake out to be a good thing in the end.
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Speaker 4: Trade headline is looming.
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Speaker 6: What do you see the Mets doing, if anything, as
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Speaker 6: it gets closer and as they keep getting better and better.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think last night was a really good example
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Speaker 2: of what they need to do this just struggling these
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Speaker 2: last few games against the Dodgers of Carlos Mendoza doesn't
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Speaker 2: really know what buttons to push with that bullpen, so
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Speaker 2: they definitely need to get a power arm to supplement
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Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz, who has looked great this season. That was
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Speaker 2: really his blown save against the Dodgers. Really is bad
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Speaker 2: start in a long time. But I think they definitely
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Speaker 2: need bullpen help. If they're going to be this competitive
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Speaker 2: with the Dodgers and have a lead to go into
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Speaker 2: the ninth inning and back to games, they have to
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Speaker 2: be able to lock that down, So that is a
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Speaker 2: definite need. Beyond that, I really haven't seen David Stearns
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Speaker 2: making huge aggressive moves at the trade deadline, and I
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Speaker 2: since the expanded playoffs. Teams think they can get in,
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Speaker 2: big sellof so I think really the market hasn't developed yet.
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Speaker 1: It'll probably start to in these.
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Speaker 2: Next few weeks, but right now, the biggest concern I
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Speaker 5: Okay, bullpen, Let's go right across town to the Yanks.
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Speaker 5: Devin Williams got the save last night? Right, all is good?
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Speaker 5: Or is New York? The Bronx still up in arms
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Speaker 5: about Devin Williams making it a nail bit or why
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Speaker 5: can't we have Mo back? Because Mo's not real? Mo
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Speaker 5: was a robot. Is Devin Williams going to need the
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Speaker 5: six to eight weeks that Luke Weaver is taking till
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Speaker 5: he gets back to get healthy. Is he going to
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Speaker 5: need to have a perfect six to eight weeks for
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Speaker 5: Yankee fans to be enamored with him again?
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Speaker 1: I think so.
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Speaker 2: I think definitely for Yankees fans to kind of just
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Speaker 2: accept that Devin Williams is even pitching well these last
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Speaker 2: few weeks, it didn't really matter to them until he
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Speaker 2: was put in the closer role like he was last night,
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Speaker 2: and he even struggled there for a little but really
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Speaker 2: that was I thought, just a really really tough at
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Speaker 2: bat for him, and he pulled through Devin Williams. So
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Speaker 2: I think I don't know how long it'll take really
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Speaker 2: for fans to accept that this is the direction they
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Speaker 2: have to go, this is what they got Devin Williams
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Speaker 2: for in the beginning. But I think internally the Yankees
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Speaker 2: have handled it absolutely right. I think he's had a
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Speaker 2: confidence boost over these last few weeks, and I think
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Speaker 2: credit to Devin Williams He's really responded better than anyone
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Speaker 2: could in this situation. I mean, he's under a lot
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Speaker 2: of pressure after struggling in the Bronx, getting booed consecutive
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Speaker 2: bad outings, to now just kind of saying, hey, I'm
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Speaker 2: going to accept whatever role they put me in. Very
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Speaker 2: opposite from what we've seen in Boston or the Raphael Devers.
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Speaker 2: I think this Yankee team is just very, very hungry
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Speaker 2: to get back to that World Series and win it,
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Speaker 2: and they will do whatever it takes to get there,
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Speaker 2: even if that means guys have to switch around if
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Speaker 2: Weaver comes back. Even if Devin Williams had been dominating
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Speaker 2: to that point and Weaver ones to take back that
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Speaker 2: closer role, I really do not see Devin Williams having
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Speaker 2: any issue with that, and that's the right mentality to
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Speaker 2: have in a clubhouse that just wants to go the distance.
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Speaker 2: So far, I think Yankees fans are going to be
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Speaker 2: maybe the Yankees' biggest hurdle in kind of accepting the role,
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Speaker 2: but they're doing it right within all right.
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Speaker 5: I have to make a correction. I said six to
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Speaker 5: eight weeks for Luke Weaver. The report is four to
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Speaker 5: six weeks, So sorry, Yankee fans, I'm not giving Luke
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Speaker 5: Weaver a different diagnosis, but talking about changing positions. Obviously,
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Speaker 5: the drama over in Boston, Yankee fans love the fact
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Speaker 5: that Boston drama is happening. Ironically, most of that drama
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Speaker 5: is at third base, where Jazz Chisholm said exactly what
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Speaker 5: you just said, I just want to win. Is that
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Speaker 5: a way to Enamory Yankee fans or is it really
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Speaker 5: the fact that he hit a dinger last night and
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Speaker 5: that's the best way to Enamor Yankee fans.
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Speaker 2: No, I think that's really his attitude in that club ass.
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Speaker 2: I've been really impressed to with Jazz Chislm. I don't
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Speaker 2: know where these reports came from in Miami that it
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Speaker 2: was kind of difficult to deal with, not just with
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Speaker 2: the media but in the clubhouse. Maybe I mean, those
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Speaker 2: were all true in the setting he was in, but
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Speaker 2: that is just not the case. Jazz Chism has been
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Speaker 2: a pleasure to deal with in New York and he
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Speaker 2: really is one of the faces of this twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: five team with how outspoken he is and dynamic in
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Speaker 2: the field, and he's a star. He acts and talks
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Speaker 2: like one and he's kind of getting I think that
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Speaker 2: Aaron Judge treatment of being humble about it, just kind
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Speaker 2: of taking whatever position the team wants to put him
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Speaker 2: in is really the mentality in there. And I think
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Speaker 2: especially with Jazz, he's been.
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Speaker 1: Really good at third last.
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Speaker 2: Year, so he can he's proving that he can do
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Speaker 2: it again, and he doesn't mind kind of switching back
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Speaker 2: and forth from second to third, even though he had
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Speaker 2: a good double played duo with Anthony Volpi. This is
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Speaker 2: really the only choice the Yankees have. Their third base
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Speaker 2: options are really mediocre.
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Speaker 1: Otherwise.
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Speaker 2: I think this is kind of a problem for them
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Speaker 2: going into the trade deadline, depending on how d j
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Speaker 2: Len Mayhew handles second base.
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Speaker 1: But for right now, DJ's.
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Speaker 2: Been hitting and Jazz is hitting and he's happy with third,
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Speaker 2: so they don't have a problem yet.
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Speaker 1: But it could become one.
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Speaker 5: All right if the postseason starts tomorrow, because that's all
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Speaker 5: the Yankee fans care about, and truly probably the players
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Speaker 5: care about. Who starts Game three for the Yankees in
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Speaker 5: a best of five series.
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Speaker 2: Ooh, that's a tough one because we're going from straight
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Speaker 2: Freed Carlos for Adawn.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I always think Clark Schmid as a Game three starter
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Speaker 2: is is kind of a nice surprise, and he also.
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Speaker 1: Worked very quietly.
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Speaker 2: But this is I think you're pointing to a problem
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Speaker 2: that they have going into the trade deadline, and that
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Speaker 2: if Clark Schmid is the answer for Game three and
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Speaker 2: they really want to go the distance, they definitely need
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Speaker 2: a starting pitcher and they're going to get one. I
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Speaker 2: really don't see the Yankees walking away from this deadline
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Speaker 2: without adding to that rotation.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's not a great answer.
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Speaker 2: I think I think that might be who they have,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, they'll have to work on it.
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Speaker 4: Dsha, it was awesome to have you on. Thank you
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Speaker 4: so much for the time. Great to catch up everyone.
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Speaker 4: Appreciate you, thanks for having me on. Guys, here we go.
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Speaker 3: Tiger Territory host and Tiger's beat writer for The Athletic
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Speaker 3: Cody Stavenhagen with us right now on FT. Cody, good
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Speaker 3: to see you. This is the best record in Major
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Speaker 3: League Baseball. You've done an awesome job covering them on
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Speaker 3: Tiger Territory, So tell me what's new, What do you
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Speaker 3: like and what's concerning. Lately, it's been hard to have
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Speaker 3: a lot that falls into the concerning category.
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Speaker 7: I mean, the Tigers have been so good all the
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Speaker 7: way around. Now that doesn't mean they're perfect. There are
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Speaker 7: a couple of things we can talk about. I think
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Speaker 7: the bullpen over the past two weeks to a month
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Speaker 7: has maybe been the one area that's been leaking a
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Speaker 7: little bit of oil. I'm sure we're probably gonna ask,
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Speaker 7: you know what, if the Tigers needed the trade deadline,
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Speaker 7: a high octane swing in this reliever would seem to
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Speaker 7: be something that could help the Tigers. You know, it's
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Speaker 7: a little bit of a ball and play bullpen. They
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Speaker 7: rank toward the bottom third in terms of at least
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Speaker 7: strikeout percentage, not necessarily a lot of swing and miss,
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Speaker 7: even though there are some really good arms. But Tyler
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Speaker 7: Holton was such a big part of the team last year.
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Speaker 7: He hasn't quite been what he was the past two years.
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Speaker 7: So the bullpen is one area. But in terms of
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Speaker 7: what I like, I mean, gosh, what's not to like?
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Speaker 7: Even you know, you're seeing the team have it starting
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Speaker 7: pitching depth tested a little bit. Some guys in the
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Speaker 7: il Reesulsen now Jackson job, but you're still getting a
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Speaker 7: lot of good quality performances and the at back quality
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Speaker 7: up and down the order seems to be really good,
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Speaker 7: night in and night out. It's not just the guys
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Speaker 7: maybe you're hearing about Spencer Twurglesen, it's a lesser guys
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Speaker 7: up and down the lineup, or even someone like a
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Speaker 7: young catcher Dylan Dingler who's having a fantastic year putting
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Speaker 7: himself in the All Star conversation. Like the Tigers have
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Speaker 7: formed this roster that is thirteen guys deep, and so
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Speaker 7: many of them have found ways to contribute, and they've
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Speaker 7: done it over now sustained period of time. I don't
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Speaker 7: think you can say it as a fluke. So it's
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Speaker 7: been impressive to watch.
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Speaker 5: Is this bullpen better or worse than it was last
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Speaker 5: year from August tenth on, because that was that in
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Speaker 5: Turk s Google or what carried them to where they
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Speaker 5: got to.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, right now, in terms of just sheer performance, I
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Speaker 7: think it's worse now. I think you have some arms
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Speaker 7: who are pitching really well. Tommy Kinley and Wilvest have
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Speaker 7: been very good in the back end. Brent Herder has
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Speaker 7: been terrific. But you want to compare it to you know,
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Speaker 7: last August, last September, it was like it didn't matter
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Speaker 7: who the Tigers were throwing out there, they were going
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Speaker 7: to have some phenomenal outings. Bo Briski pitch probably the
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Speaker 7: best baseball of his life. The Tigers right now are
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Speaker 7: still trying to get him kind of tuned a little
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Speaker 7: bit more finely. I mentioned Tyler Holton, and then even
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Speaker 7: the back end, you start looking at the seven eight
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Speaker 7: guys John Brebia, you know, like the era is okay,
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Speaker 7: but the overall execution is probably not what quite what
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Speaker 7: the Tigers were hoping when they signed him, and they've
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Speaker 7: had to funnel some guys in and out some of
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Speaker 7: that strategic they aren't afraid to option a guy to
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Speaker 7: get a better matchup for the series. But now you
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Speaker 7: have a got a rookie and Dylan Smith in the
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Speaker 7: back end of the bullpen. Yeah, overall, like it's still
17:44
Speaker 7: a pretty good bullpen, but it's not quite maybe that
17:47
Speaker 7: dominant level we saw at the end of last year.
17:51
Speaker 6: Let me ask you about mister green Man. Is this
17:54
Speaker 6: guy a superstar? Is this guy gonna be big time?
17:57
Speaker 6: Talk to me a little about mister.
17:59
Speaker 7: Green Yeah, I mean I think Riley Green is one
18:02
Speaker 7: of the more underrated players in baseball right now. I
18:05
Speaker 7: think he's performing already at an all star level. He
18:08
Speaker 7: was an All Star last year. He's right in that
18:10
Speaker 7: mix this season. He's coming off a terrific May. He
18:13
Speaker 7: had an eight to ninety four ops twenty four RBIs
18:16
Speaker 7: in the month, which was the most he's ever had,
18:19
Speaker 7: and he's still only twenty four years old. So I
18:21
Speaker 7: think there is superstar capability in there. I mean, I'm
18:26
Speaker 7: not saying he's gonna, you know, become Aaron Judge, but
18:29
Speaker 7: you know, some of these names that are more household names,
18:31
Speaker 7: Julio Rodriguez, young outfielders like that. Go look at the production,
18:36
Speaker 7: go look at the numbers over the past three years.
18:38
Speaker 7: Riley Green is already right there, and he does still
18:41
Speaker 7: have room to get a little bit better. The chase
18:43
Speaker 7: has been really high. The swing and miss has been
18:45
Speaker 7: really high this year. Something that was encouraging about Riley
18:49
Speaker 7: coming into the season. His first three pro seasons, walk
18:52
Speaker 7: right went up, strike wait, strike rate went down. Hasn't
18:56
Speaker 7: quite you know, carried on that trend of this season,
18:58
Speaker 7: but again, he had kind of rough April had a
19:01
Speaker 7: really brutal slump, came out of it in a big
19:03
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19:08
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19:11
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19:13
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Speaker 3: that is close to superstar status in my mind, Carrie Carpenter.
20:23
Speaker 3: Question from Susie in our chat BCC group, when will
20:28
Speaker 3: they stop platooning? Carrie Carpenter all capped in that one.
20:33
Speaker 3: I know that this team loves to platoon make switches
20:37
Speaker 3: throughout the game. Do you think Carrie should just be
20:40
Speaker 3: in the lineup every single day?
20:43
Speaker 7: You know that's been like a hot topic around the
20:45
Speaker 7: Tigers universe for the past couple of years because you
20:48
Speaker 7: look at what Carrie does against right handed pitching, and
20:51
Speaker 7: it's it's legitimately elite. It is up there with Aaron Judge,
20:55
Speaker 7: with shohe O Tani. But I think you have to
20:59
Speaker 7: understand the pinch hitting, the platooning is very much in
21:02
Speaker 7: the Tigers DNA. It is how the roster is built.
21:05
Speaker 7: It creates difficult decisions for opposing managers and how they're
21:09
Speaker 7: going to use their bullpen. We've seen a little bit
21:12
Speaker 7: more willingness to give Carries some left handed left on
21:15
Speaker 7: left at bats, especially early in this season. The reality
21:19
Speaker 7: is it continues to not go that well. He's hitting
21:21
Speaker 7: two hundred against lefties. The ops is five ninety four. There,
21:26
Speaker 7: you know, he has homeered a couple times, but in
21:28
Speaker 7: general there's not as much slug He's never got consistent
21:32
Speaker 7: left on left at bats, but it's got one hundred
21:34
Speaker 7: and seventy career played appearances. Now he's a two to
21:38
Speaker 7: h one hitter against left against left handed pitching. So
21:40
Speaker 7: the reality is, the more we see, the more it
21:43
Speaker 7: kind of makes sense.
21:44
Speaker 3: Now.
21:44
Speaker 7: I think Carry's a great hitter. I think I'm Carry's agent.
21:47
Speaker 7: I'm like, we want to prove this guy is more
21:49
Speaker 7: than a platoon bat. But right now you're on the
21:51
Speaker 7: best team in baseball, and what the Tigers are doing
21:54
Speaker 7: tends to work. I don't think we're gonna see Carry
21:57
Speaker 7: penciled in against lefties every day anytime in the foreseeable future.
22:02
Speaker 5: And can I I want to piggyback on that, and
22:04
Speaker 5: maybe you can tell me if I'm wrong. But you say,
22:07
Speaker 5: that's not what the Tigers do. It's not what aj
22:09
Speaker 5: Hinch does, because I think aj Hinch manages games to
22:14
Speaker 5: win them and not to keep his job. Do you
22:17
Speaker 5: see that? Do you see that. Have you seen that
22:20
Speaker 5: since Aj Hinch has been here kind of you know,
22:23
Speaker 5: underperforming team but now becoming the best record in baseball.
22:27
Speaker 5: Do you have that feeling or is it the feeling that, well,
22:30
Speaker 5: you know what platoons say this, so I'm gonna go
22:32
Speaker 5: with that.
22:34
Speaker 7: Uh yeah, Yeah, that's a good point, Eric, and I
22:36
Speaker 7: think there is a difference from just kind of plug
22:39
Speaker 7: and play numbers to like AG's really trying to create
22:43
Speaker 7: pressure and in game decisions and really stressing the other dugout.
22:47
Speaker 7: You can dive deep into how he constructs his lineups,
22:50
Speaker 7: why Kerry Carpenter was hitting lead off for a good
22:53
Speaker 7: chunk of the season until Parker Meadows got back. It
22:55
Speaker 7: was kind of to create a decision point the third
22:59
Speaker 7: time around, the ula carries up again, are you sure
23:02
Speaker 7: you want to stick with that right handed starter who's
23:04
Speaker 7: having a nice game and we saw it lead to
23:06
Speaker 7: some favorable results in a way, it's like an aggressive
23:09
Speaker 7: style of managing and it's kind of just now getting recognition.
23:13
Speaker 7: But Aj has done a lot of this for his
23:15
Speaker 7: entire time in Detroit. No one was really paying attention
23:18
Speaker 7: to the twenty twenty one Tigers who finished I think
23:22
Speaker 7: like fifty eight and fifty three or something. That summer.
23:25
Speaker 7: They played really good in the second half, and that
23:28
Speaker 7: team did not have a lot of talent, but they
23:31
Speaker 7: do a lot of what these current Tigers do. Back then,
23:34
Speaker 7: that was before the offseason the Tigers signed Hobby pie
23:38
Speaker 7: As an Eduardo Rodriguez, And there's kind of this whole like, Oh,
23:41
Speaker 7: AJ's got the Tigers on the rise. The twenty twenty
23:43
Speaker 7: two team tanked, it didn't work out. It took a
23:46
Speaker 7: little bit longer because major league baseball is really hard.
23:49
Speaker 7: But now I think kind of everyone across the league
23:52
Speaker 7: and fans across the country are getting a little more
23:54
Speaker 7: of an understanding of kind of what you said, Eric,
23:56
Speaker 7: the way Aj Hinch really managed his baseball games.
24:00
Speaker 8: I think you hit it perfectly, because I've been telling
24:02
Speaker 8: people this when I broadcasted the first round last year
24:06
Speaker 8: and I sat in his office and was talking to him,
24:08
Speaker 8: and I'm telling you I didn't want to leave, and
24:11
Speaker 8: I talk to people on the show here, I move
24:13
Speaker 8: around a lot.
24:13
Speaker 6: I think I sat on that chair and I didn't
24:15
Speaker 6: move for fifteen minutes. Just how he explains and dives
24:19
Speaker 6: into each game and who he wants to pitch where
24:22
Speaker 6: and who's going to hit where. But I think that
24:23
Speaker 6: it's a testament to the team because you might you
24:27
Speaker 6: might be a nine to old hitter one day and
24:28
Speaker 6: then back second the next. So that was kind of
24:32
Speaker 6: sort of my question about how good of a manager
24:34
Speaker 6: he is and how he does it. But my next
24:36
Speaker 6: question would be to you, is you know who's the
24:40
Speaker 6: guy in this clubhouse that that's the leader, because you
24:42
Speaker 6: got a lot of team guys that want to play together,
24:45
Speaker 6: that love this game, But who's the guy in there
24:47
Speaker 6: that's kind of just like you know, taking a team
24:50
Speaker 6: by storm a little bit, make sure everybody's in line.
24:53
Speaker 7: Yeah, real quick, on aj, it is still a function
24:56
Speaker 7: of the roster, right and Houston. He wasn't really platooning
24:59
Speaker 7: you were Onrez Okay, So again it's not just straight
25:03
Speaker 7: Oh this guy's left handed, he can't hit lefties. It
25:06
Speaker 7: is a reflection a little bit of the talent the
25:08
Speaker 7: Tighters have and how they're best trying to maximize their parts,
25:11
Speaker 7: and what and what the front office has given him
25:14
Speaker 7: in terms of the clubhouse. Man, I kind of go
25:16
Speaker 7: back and forth when like who the leader is, and
25:20
Speaker 7: I think maybe that speaks to the fact, they have
25:22
Speaker 7: a pretty strong, pretty well rounded clubhouse. Last September, last October,
25:28
Speaker 7: I would have said Matt Vierling, he was one of
25:30
Speaker 7: their more established veteran quote unquote veteran, still really young,
25:33
Speaker 7: but he had been in the postseason with the Phillies before. Well,
25:36
Speaker 7: Matt Vierling's been hurt all year, and I would have
25:38
Speaker 7: said Jake Rogers, who had a great year at catcher.
25:42
Speaker 7: This year, Jake's been hurt, He's kind of lost that
25:44
Speaker 7: number one role to Dylan Dingler. I think Jake's still
25:47
Speaker 7: a really strong influential presence in this clubhouse. Vierling, even
25:51
Speaker 7: the injured, has still been around. You've kind of seen
25:54
Speaker 7: I think some other guys take on that mantle. I
25:56
Speaker 7: think in the dugout, like who's the most hyped every day,
25:59
Speaker 7: that's probably Riley Green. I mean he's locked in, he's loud,
26:02
Speaker 7: he's cheering. But Glaber Torres I think deserves a lot
26:06
Speaker 7: of credit. He was the veteran guy to Tigers brought
26:08
Speaker 7: in this winter, and you can just kind of feel
26:12
Speaker 7: the stabilizing presence of Glaber. He's been almost a different
26:16
Speaker 7: player in some ways than he was on the Yankees,
26:18
Speaker 7: where he was you know, among a long list of
26:21
Speaker 7: bigger names, I don't know if he was called upon
26:24
Speaker 7: or if it was appropriate for him to be a
26:26
Speaker 7: leader in the Yankees clubhouse coming to Detroit. I feel
26:29
Speaker 7: like everyone can kind of feel that veteran presence. He
26:32
Speaker 7: has a close relationship with Hobby Baiaz and maybe there's
26:35
Speaker 7: been some rub off there, and then even you know,
26:38
Speaker 7: just his kind of example, his consistency, the quality of
26:41
Speaker 7: it bat I think younger guys have taken notice of
26:44
Speaker 7: the overall professionalism. I'm not sure he's maybe the most
26:47
Speaker 7: vocal about it, but I've been really impressed by kind
26:49
Speaker 7: of the subtle leadership style of Glaber Torres.
26:53
Speaker 5: He brought up Dylan Deingler, and as a catcher, I'd
26:56
Speaker 5: be remiss to not talk about him here. Is it
27:00
Speaker 5: going to be something that we're just kind of riding
27:02
Speaker 5: that high of Dylan Dingler because you know some of
27:05
Speaker 5: his hitting metrics will say he doesn't know. He swings
27:09
Speaker 5: in a lot of pitches, so when he starts chasing,
27:12
Speaker 5: some of his numbers are going to go down. His
27:14
Speaker 5: defense is really good, but Jake Rodgers is healthy now
27:17
Speaker 5: and his defense is really good. Or is it the
27:20
Speaker 5: fact that he plays for a team in Michigan and
27:22
Speaker 5: he went to Ohio State, and so they're never really
27:25
Speaker 5: going to accept him.
27:27
Speaker 4: Yeah.
27:27
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think Dingler has quickly gotten a lot of
27:31
Speaker 7: Tigers fans to overlook you know that degree, right, you
27:36
Speaker 7: raise a really good point. I'll be honest, I'm very
27:38
Speaker 7: surprised by what Dylan Dingler has done at the plate.
27:42
Speaker 7: I thought this guy was a really good defensive catcher.
27:44
Speaker 7: I thought there's a little bit of pop in the bat.
27:46
Speaker 7: I thought he'd be like a nice compliment him and
27:49
Speaker 7: Jake would be a good one too. Right now, Dylan
27:51
Speaker 7: Dingler's hitting close to three hundred. He's you know, hitting
27:54
Speaker 7: the ball with power, and he's been doing it all
27:57
Speaker 7: season long. I definitely was also like, well, he's off
28:00
Speaker 7: to a hot start. This is great. I'll probably come
28:02
Speaker 7: back to earth. He's not walking enough whatever, Well, he's
28:05
Speaker 7: still not walking a lot. He's walked I think four
28:07
Speaker 7: times all season. But this guy connects. Even if maybe
28:11
Speaker 7: there's a little bit of chase, the at bat quality
28:14
Speaker 7: is pretty good. Aj Hinch said the other day, like,
28:17
Speaker 7: what if this is just who he is and now
28:20
Speaker 7: hitting two ninety to three hundred with power for a
28:23
Speaker 7: catcher is a really really high bar if you're not
28:26
Speaker 7: Cal Raley or until this year, Adlee Rutschman. Like, that's
28:29
Speaker 7: a hard thing to do. There are not many of
28:31
Speaker 7: those guys. But I think Dingler might be for real. Like,
28:37
Speaker 7: I think this is going to be one of the
28:38
Speaker 7: better hitting catchers in the game. We've seen it for
28:42
Speaker 7: nearly half a season. I'm starting to be one over that. Like,
28:46
Speaker 7: it's not just a fluke. He can really produce at
28:48
Speaker 7: the play.
28:50
Speaker 6: On the same token here, all Stars, the ballots are
28:53
Speaker 6: just coming out. Do you think you should be an
28:54
Speaker 6: All Star consideration? And who else on the squad do
28:57
Speaker 6: you think should get a consideration as the year going forward?
29:00
Speaker 7: Here, Yeah, it's going to be really interesting to see
29:03
Speaker 7: because the Tigers, I mean, they have the best record
29:05
Speaker 7: in baseball, so it's well deserved. They have a long
29:07
Speaker 7: list of All Star candidates. Trek Scuble, I think you
29:10
Speaker 7: can count as a lock. You just go look at
29:12
Speaker 7: numbers among ale second basement. I think Labor Torres might
29:15
Speaker 7: just be a lock. Dylan Dingler really compelling All Star case.
29:19
Speaker 7: I'm not sure enough people realize it yet. On FANGPS,
29:22
Speaker 7: I think he's third in wins above replacement. When it
29:25
Speaker 7: comes to ale catchers Baseball Reference, he might be second.
29:28
Speaker 7: So he's behind cal Raley, who should be the All
29:31
Speaker 7: Star starter. And it's kind of Dingler and Carlos Nirvayas
29:34
Speaker 7: and if we're just going on strictly merit and not
29:37
Speaker 7: fan vote, whoever has the better June, you know, might
29:40
Speaker 7: be deserving to be an All Star. Dingler is right there.
29:43
Speaker 7: That's how good he has been. You look across the
29:45
Speaker 7: diamond Spencer, Twirkolsen has a great case. Riley Green we
29:48
Speaker 7: talked about, he's playing it close to that level in
29:51
Speaker 7: the bullpen. I think Will Vest, Tommy Cainley have cases.
29:55
Speaker 7: Casey Mize has a good June. He's got a case.
29:58
Speaker 7: There's some guys who have cooled off a little, but
30:00
Speaker 7: Zach McKinstry, Hovey Baias, who even two weeks ago we
30:03
Speaker 7: would have been like, they're all stars. So I think
30:05
Speaker 7: the Tigers are like I think Scooball and Tours are locks.
30:08
Speaker 7: And then it's like, well, what could they're all What
30:10
Speaker 7: could the total number of guys be four or five six,
30:13
Speaker 7: like seems entirely possible. There's a little bit of baseball
30:17
Speaker 7: left to play. We'll see how much the fans support
30:19
Speaker 7: kind of rallies around these guys, but a lot of
30:22
Speaker 7: dudes playing at a really high level.
30:25
Speaker 3: Cody, which team in the division do you think is
30:27
Speaker 3: the biggest threat to make a run at the Tigers
30:29
Speaker 3: for the Al Central at some point this season? I mean, obviously,
30:34
Speaker 3: if we talked about the Tigers even for another couple
30:36
Speaker 3: months into last year, we'd be like, yeah, they pretty
30:39
Speaker 3: much suck, but they traded away some dudes at the deadline.
30:42
Speaker 3: It is what it is, So a lot can change
30:44
Speaker 3: in the next couple months, Right, We can go to
30:46
Speaker 3: August and you can be like, oh, wow, this team
30:48
Speaker 3: really came on strong.
30:49
Speaker 4: Which one do you think that could be upsidewise?
30:53
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's hard to say that. The Guardians are just
30:56
Speaker 7: so pesky and scary that you never want to write
31:00
Speaker 7: them off, although the run differential would hint that maybe
31:03
Speaker 7: things aren't necessarily going to correct for them. So I'm
31:06
Speaker 7: not writing off the Guardians fully, But I think if
31:09
Speaker 7: I had to choose one team, it would be the
31:10
Speaker 7: Minnesota Twins. Like they've played pretty good baseball without Royce
31:14
Speaker 7: Lewis getting going at all the high end talent, and
31:18
Speaker 7: the pitching in Minnesota is still there. I think if
31:21
Speaker 7: there's a team that could really catch fire, I'd go
31:24
Speaker 7: with the Twins.
31:25
Speaker 4: Well more for you, what about the Royals?
31:28
Speaker 3: Do you think the Twins and the Guardians are a
31:30
Speaker 3: step ahead of the Royals from what you've seen so far?
31:33
Speaker 3: My counter is, I don't feel like we've seen the
31:36
Speaker 3: best baseball from Bobby with Junior yet, And now you
31:38
Speaker 3: have a guy that just came up who could hit
31:42
Speaker 3: and be a forty homer power threat in their lineup
31:45
Speaker 3: right from the jump.
31:47
Speaker 7: Yeah, we'll see. I mean, there are a lot of
31:48
Speaker 7: young hitters who struggle, and I think Jack kack Leone's
31:51
Speaker 7: going to have a terrific career, but like, is he
31:53
Speaker 7: going to turn around their season instantly? I just wouldn't
31:57
Speaker 7: want to put that one any young player on any team.
32:01
Speaker 7: But yeah, if you would have asked me in February,
32:04
Speaker 7: like who is your Ale Central favorite? I think I
32:07
Speaker 7: would have said the Kansas City Royals. And so you're
32:09
Speaker 7: onto something, Scott and that they haven't really played their
32:12
Speaker 7: best baseball. Maybe Bobby Witt hasn't even played, Salvador Perez
32:16
Speaker 7: hasn't really caught fire, yet some of the numbers don't
32:21
Speaker 7: aren't aren't necessarily the most encouraging thing for the Royals.
32:24
Speaker 7: But yeah, that's still a good team that maybe hasn't
32:27
Speaker 7: played its best ball yet. I think that's a totally
32:29
Speaker 7: fair argument.
32:30
Speaker 5: Goh, he won last one. We've talked all this. The
32:33
Speaker 5: Tigers are the best record in the American League? Yes?
32:37
Speaker 5: Or no? Or yeah? Are the Tigers the best team
32:41
Speaker 5: in the American League?
32:44
Speaker 4: I think so.
32:45
Speaker 7: I mean, I think they're the most complete team right now.
32:49
Speaker 7: You know, it's hard to say they're better than the
32:52
Speaker 7: New York Yankees based on the names, based on the talent,
32:55
Speaker 7: but you start talking about the pitching, you start talking
32:57
Speaker 7: about the depth, you start talking about what could happen
33:01
Speaker 7: at the trade deadline. I feel like the Tigers right
33:04
Speaker 7: now are the most well rounded team in the American League.
33:09
Speaker 7: They just got Parker Meadows back, and he's a pretty dynamic,
33:13
Speaker 7: electric player, Gold Glove caliber defense and center field. That
33:17
Speaker 7: might be the type of thing that puts them over
33:19
Speaker 7: the top if Meadows hits it all like he did
33:21
Speaker 7: in the second half of last season. So I think
33:24
Speaker 7: it's probably close. But yeah, I think they are right now.
33:30
Speaker 3: Krat's final line here, tell Cody what you texted me
33:34
Speaker 3: about how ironic it would be if something happened.
33:37
Speaker 4: I don't think it'll happen, but bring it up.
33:41
Speaker 5: Wouldn't it be ironic if the Twins, the team you're
33:43
Speaker 5: afraid of, catches the Tigers this year. After the Tigers
33:47
Speaker 5: caught the Twins, they'll start thinking about it when the
33:50
Speaker 5: Tigers have a four game series where they lose three
33:53
Speaker 5: or four, because that will happen. Sorry, Tiger fans, I'm
33:56
Speaker 5: not negative Nelly here. I'm just saying it happens to
33:59
Speaker 5: the best teams, so that added pressure will be fun
34:03
Speaker 5: to watch these young players deal with.
34:07
Speaker 7: Yeah, one hundred percent, there's a lot of ball left
34:10
Speaker 7: to play.
34:10
Speaker 5: That's every thing.
34:11
Speaker 7: Aj Hinch said recently. You're feeling so good, everything's going
34:14
Speaker 7: so well, and then you look up and there's about
34:16
Speaker 7: one hundred games left on that schedule, so there's a
34:19
Speaker 7: lot still to be decided.
34:22
Speaker 4: Very true, Cody. Great to have you on everyone. Checkout
34:25
Speaker 4: Tiger Territory.
34:26
Speaker 3: There is a recent episode on the Dylan Dingler All
34:30
Speaker 3: Star Case, among many other great episodes to check out.
34:34
Speaker 3: You're getting three a week there from Cody Kieran and
34:37
Speaker 3: Austin Jackson appearances on the show as well.
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Speaker 4: Thanks Cody, talk to you soon.
34:41
Speaker 7: Man, all right, thanks guys, appreciate it.