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Why Weight Loss Gets Harder After 40: Cortisol, Perimenopause, Menopause and Health Debt with Bria Gadd · Cortisol Coach

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Welcome to the Cortisol Coach Podcast. If you're exhausted, gaining weight,
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losing your hair, your anxiety is through the roof, or the depression and emotional
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overwhelm have completely consumed your life, or maybe you're not showing up
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as the wife and mom you want to be.
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You've spent years never feeling good enough, taking care of everyone else while
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you quietly fell apart, and your body has been keeping score of every single bit of it.
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The chronic stress, hormonal shifts, perimenopause, menopause,
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whatever season you're in, cortisol is making all of it worse.
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And until you heal the root, nothing changes.
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But this show here is about to change that.
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I'm your host, Christine Marie, Holy Spirit-led Biblical Mindset Coach,
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and I have helped thousands of women heal their hormones and cortisol levels.
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Every week, I bring you leading experts, doctors, and coaches who will help
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you heal your body, mind emotions and your spirit so that you can step into
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every kingdom purpose that God has planned for your life so go grab your cup
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of coffee and let's jump in.
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If you had been doing all of the things that used to work and or maybe your
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body is just not responding, this episode is for you.
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You are going to want to tune in because my guest today is Bria Gad.
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She is a functional diagnostic nutrition practitioner, a holistic health coach,
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and a certified personal trainer.
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She spent over 15 years in the fitness and nutrition world helping women lose
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weight and get their energy back.
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And I know a lot of you guys are, your ears are perking up because we are women
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over 40 trying to take our life back.
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But here's the one thing I love about her story. After coaching thousands of
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women in their 20s and 30s, Bria started noticing something herself.
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The same women who used to get the results were then hitting these walls.
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Same effort, totally different outcome.
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I know you're probably shaking your head with me right now. So instead of telling
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them just try harder, she went and she built an actual strategy for what the
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female body needs in this season.
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She hosts The Period Whisperer, which is a top 1% wellness podcast.
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She has been featured on Fox News and Women's Health, and she has been on a
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ton of top women shows out there. Today, we're going to get into health debt.
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I am so excited, Bria, to have you on the show. Welcome to the Cortisol Coach Podcast.
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Thank you, Christine. Thank you so much for having me. And I'm going to be super
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bossy to your audience right now and just say you have such an amazing podcast.
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You put out such incredible content. So I hope everyone just puts a little pause
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on and go rates and reviews your show because it's really, really fabulous what you offer.
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Oh my gosh, thank you so much. This has been such a dream of mine because I
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spent eight very specific years looking for a solution to so many symptoms.
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I want to dive into this with you because it was a long list and then I would
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go to doctors and they would say, oh, let's give you this diagnosis and let's
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try this medication and you need to go do...
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More exercise and maybe cut your calories. Nobody was looking at the full body picture.
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Nobody asked me about my trauma. Nobody asked me about all of the pieces,
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nor did any of these basic testing address what I really needed to take a deep
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dive into. So talk to us about health debt. What is this?
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Yeah, I think I really started to wrap my mind around this concept of health
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debt when I was 37, so I'll be 45 this year. But when I was 37,
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as you mentioned in my bio, I had been
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I'd spent a lot of years helping women lose weight through exercise and nutrition.
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And that was wonderful until it stopped working.
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And, you know, for I think for a lot of women, we it can happen at any point in time.
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But certainly as you kind of head towards into midlife, you know,
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for me, things were very much like, oh, I am like gaining undeserved weight
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gain where you change nothing.
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But suddenly your leggings are tighter on your body. You know,
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my sleep started getting terrible.
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My period got a bit wonky, which was unusual for me. I had more anxiety than I'd had in years.
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And I was just utterly exhausted. Like my kids would always be like,
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oh, yeah, mom's tired again. And it was such a horrible feeling when I think
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back. And like you, well, for me, I went to my health care practitioner and
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she did all the labs and she was really wonderful.
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But she said, Bria, you know, you're the picture of health. And that's a pretty.
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I don't think she was being dismissive.
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I think there are many people who are dismissed by their practitioners.
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But for me, it was really upsetting to walk out of there and think like, Like, is this in my head?
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Am I crazy? And also at 37, is this the best I'm going to feel if I'm the quote
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unquote picture of health?
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Like it was it was a real little real fire under me to go looking for other answers.
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That was when I really started to understand the body in a different way to
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kind of give you that explanation of health debt.
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What I have really learned is that our body has an energy currency,
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just like money, you know, so money is our financial currency.
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Our body runs on energy. That's our currency.
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Health debt is simply the explanation of when your energy supply no longer meets
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your energy demand in your body.
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We have this imbalance, and that is health debt. And in health debt is when
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we start to see a lot of symptoms.
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And really, I think even to understand that more deeply is when we're in health
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debt, when the body's like, I don't have enough energy to meet these demands.
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And we can talk about why that is, because I think there's lots of reasons for that.
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It's a scary place for the body. But our bodies are beautifully designed to
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survive. We're over here thinking, oh, my body's, you know, working against
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me, breaking down, failing me, when really your body is actually thinking,
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okay, I don't have what I need.
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How do I keep this body to survive? So what am I going to do?
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I'm going to start by shutting down non-essential personnel and that that costs us energy.
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And that is our sex hormones. So this is why I think we're seeing more and more
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women suffering with quote unquote perimenopause issues.
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And that's what I thought maybe I had at much younger ages because their body
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is like, oh, I don't need this right now.
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We all remember those days, like women who couldn't get pregnant because of
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stress, like your body just isn't in a place to handle it. And so there goes
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our libido And there goes kind of our spark and our buffer and our,
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you know, extra energy when the sex hormones go.
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And then if we still haven't corrected the debt, the body says,
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OK, now I need to conserve.
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I need to conserve energy. So it slows down that metabolism.
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And suddenly here comes our weight gain.
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And again, here comes less energy coming at us. And then finally,
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if we don't address it, like that debt is compounding like a credit card, like 24 percent.
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You know, it's just compounding down there. And then the body's like,
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OK, well, I need to rob energy from other functions of the body.
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So we start to see gut health issues. We really see that cortisol flatline.
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You talk so wonderfully about elevated cortisol. What happens after elevated cortisol?
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No cortisol, low cortisol, which is even more dangerous, right?
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Our immune system suffers, our thyroid suffers, all of these pieces of the puzzle.
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And what we are taught as women, I think this is a really important one,
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is when our body isn't responding, we are taught, you even said it about your
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story, work out harder and eat less.
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And that is the same concept as being on a deserted island or in the Hunger
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Games and being told the smartest thing to do right now is go for a run on the beach.
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When really we should be finding shelter, finding food, nourishing our body,
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creating safety for ourselves.
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And it's just not what we have learned. But it is when you understand that you
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are in health debt and your body's trying to survive, it becomes a lot clearer what to do next.
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Well, and I feel like for a lot of us women over 40, we were raised in school
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with the SATs and the ASTs and the gold stars on our papers.
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And if you work hard enough in math, you can get sent to the the smarter class, right?
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And so our persistence and hardworking was so rewarded that I feel like a lot
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of us, to even go take a nap and rest, or at least this was me, I felt so guilty.
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Yes, guilt and shame. And even investing in my own health, you know,
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I would be fine spending money on takeout or a nice dinner for the family or
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buy the kids what they needed.
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But when it came to me, it felt so selfish. There wasn't room for it.
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And then like you said, our bodies are meant to protect us and sustain us and
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keep us breathing like our lungs breathing and our brain functioning.
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And so if it has to cut off your hair growth, it's going to cut your hair growth off. Yeah, absolutely.
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I love that you said that. I think that that whole kind of obsessed or tying
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our worth to our productivity that we've been trained has also, I think, highlighted.
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Or resulted in a challenge for women in midlife where if we understand that
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we need to have energy supply, energy demand, I think we recognize that a lot
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of our energy comes from three sources.
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Well, I think we recognize two sources, sleep and nutrition.
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We seem to understand this, whether we follow it or not.
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But there is like a big, unspoken, massive opportunity for energy,
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which is pleasure and purpose and connection to something bigger than ourselves.
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And that is also where many of us, I think, are starving or undernourished is in soul food.
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So good. Talk to me about the woman who comes to you.
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What does that look like? Where do they get started? Take us along that journey.
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Yeah. So I really love, you know, I realize that financial debt is also emotional
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for people, but somehow when financial debt's not the problem and physical debt
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is, health debt is, I think we can use the financial debt methodologies,
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and it feels less emotional.
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It feels more structured and like tangible for us, especially for those of us
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who, again, were raised in this land where it's like, follow the process, do the right thing.
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So it's very, very similar to like getting out of health debt,
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which again is critical because it is compounding at a massive amount.
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And we're out here in trying to invest our energy in things like fitness,
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I think, which are really, really smart investments for our future.
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But it's not a smart investment when it's compounding at 10% and you've got
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a 24% debt going down here.
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The real thing, I think it's like a five-step process is what I like to take my clients through.
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Step one is we have to, just like if you were in credit card debt,
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we got to look at all of the areas of our life that are sucking energy that
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shouldn't be, that we don't need to, that we can have some control over.
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For many women, I think, you know, there's just structure in our day,
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you know, so having structure around eating consistently for regulating our
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blood sugar, which is a huge frontline defense for cortisol and our sex hormones.
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So not skipping meals, not just eating one big meal or intermittent fasting.
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We really want to wake up and eat within two hours of waking and eat enough
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to be full for four to five hours and so on and so forth.
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I think a lot of women understand, okay, well, I should have like a proper bedtime
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routine. Kind of like, you know, we have all these things for our babies.
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I was just thinking that.
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It's like bringing everything back in our body to kindergarten basics.
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What do we do for our kindergartners? Well, we make sure they have regular meal times.
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They have regular bedtimes with like reading a story and a bath time before bed.
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They have regular exercise and movement and they have playtime, which is joy. Yeah.
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I think so. I think we understand the nutrition a bit and and the sleep like,
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OK, I shouldn't be watching scary things at night or staying up to all hours.
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But I think a big piece and I come from a personal training background.
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I love fitness and fully believe in it. But I do really think a big piece of
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low hanging fruit for women is actually pulling out of fitness for a little while and focusing on
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walking and restorative functional movement like yoga or mobility work until
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we get out of that debt and then pleasure.
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So sort of this initial piece of the puzzle is like, OK, how do I create space
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for pleasure in my, you know, in my body?
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And that might be like breath work or just, you know, emptying kind of the stress
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sludge in our body a little bit. And it's going to be different for everyone what we do.
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Initially, that first step is really like, how do we reduce the energy demand
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in your life through kind of our kindergarten basics, as we were saying.
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And this is one of the reasons I was so excited to have you on the show,
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because all of these pieces that you're talking about took me years and years
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and years to figure out on my own. Yeah.
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And trial by error or trial by fire, really.
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As you're just talking through those, I'm going, yes, yes, yes.
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But it was such a long journey. And to know that women can go to you.
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Collapse time, and get their life back.
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I feel like it's, at least it was for me, to look at women who had it all together
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or maybe looked like they had it all together.
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And to say, that's what I really want. but I have no idea how to get there.
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And so you offer this per se roadmap on how to get there. Yeah.
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Thank you. Yeah. I love this concept you share of collapsing time.
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I think we want to learn from each other as women. And I very much like when
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my body started to fall apart in what I now know as health debt,
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I did what I thought I should do.
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I set my alarm half an hour earlier, Christine. I was up at 4.30 a.m.
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I was doubling down on a pre-workout, jacked up on caffeine.
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I was pushing through an intense workout I was doing all the things that moms
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do and then maybe I would eat at noon like it was just this is what we're thinking
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is oh I again cut calories move more do this and I just everything just fell apart,
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at a faster pace so yes learn learn from me because if I did that and I have
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been in the women's wellness industry I really want to save you some time here that doesn't work.
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And I think most women when they really think about it when And they're like
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eye to eye with themselves in the mirror.
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If what you're doing is not working, it's time to do something else.
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Well, and it was interesting because even for me, you know, when you have high
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cortisol and then it can swing to low cortisol, you're not hungry in the morning.
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And you think, wow, this is great. Let's just do intermittent fasting because
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I'm already almost there.
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And now when I wake up in the morning, I'm hungry.
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Yes, that's a sign of health. And it's so different because I took not being
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hungry as a sign of strength that you can push through.
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And intermittent fasting may work perfectly for some people.
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But like you're saying, like, what is your debt?
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Because that matters so much. Yeah, absolutely.
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I completely agree with you. So step one, we kind of just, you know,
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take a look at, you know, it's like pulling out that credit card.
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Do we need the Netflix and the Hulu and the Disney? You know,
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like, how do we cut back some of those demands in life? Step two,
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I think, is really looking at kind of our energy salary. So,
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OK, I think sleep's a tricky one for people, especially with hormones shifting.
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We don't want to try to control it. That can make it harder for people.
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But nutrition is a huge opportunity. nutrition and looking and really our minerals,
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like looking at, OK, can we get are we having the right kind of food for our body?
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So I don't love food tracking, but I think it can be such a supportive,
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necessary thing to do for a couple of weeks for you to just understand, OK,
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how much protein versus fats versus carbohydrates keeps my body full and satisfied
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for four to five hours so that my blood sugar is regulated so.
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That nutrition is no longer the problem in my in my energy set.
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So I like to spend a good amount of time on customized nutrition because there
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is no one-size-fits-all approach for it.
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I mean, this is how we can see people lean and energetic on a ketogenic diet
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versus, you know, other people who are like glowy and dewy on a plant-based diet.
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And then they're the opposites of those things are true. You know,
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some people look ill on both of those diets. Right, right.
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We want to figure out what nutrition works for us. And I think that's a really
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important kind of like increase my salary as best as I can.
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And then step three, I think, is where we really dig a little deeper.
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And this is where, you know, as I really like to put the puzzle pieces together.
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So if that hasn't rectified things in steps one and two, the next piece is looking
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more deeply at functional lab work because you can have maybe you do have.
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You know, quality sleep habits and quality nutrition habits.
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And maybe you do have like soul food and purpose and pleasure in your life.
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But if we're still having issues, to me, that means the energy supply chain,
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the pipeline of your energy into your body has lost some function or maybe is
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like a kinked hose or has holes in it.
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And that's where I think looking at functional lab work. So as an FDN,
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that's a lot of what I do is we'll look at the gut and how it's breaking things
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down and absorbing things.
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We'll look at our cortisol and not just how our pattern is, but how that cortisol
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is clearing properly free and metabolized cortisol.
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We'll look at the sex hormones and how their pathways are, the thyroid,
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the minerals, really the whole body together, because they are not,
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as you were saying, you know, with whole body and you talk about that so beautifully.
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They're all one. They're like an orchestra. So when one instrument goes off,
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there's a problem with the other instruments, too.
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So just looking at one area doesn't give us an entire picture of really the
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financial forensic analysis of what's happening in your body.
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Do you feel like most women need that testing?
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I do. I think a clear way to tell it is if you do steps one and two and you
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still don't feel great, there's your answer.
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And if you can't do steps one and two, like you can't even get there,
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I think that's a really clear sign.
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But I find, you know, most women want to be not just good, but great.
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You know, we want to be vibrant and optimized. And for me, functional lab work
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gives us, even if we're feeling okay, it helps us optimize our unique
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body and what it's saying to us and the experience it's bid under that maybe
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has sucked down its vital reserve or its energy bank account in life.
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I also find that it helps my clients be very compliant, you know,
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so when you can look at your labs and you have someone who can say,
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this is exactly why you're feeling that way. And here's what we can do to get out it.
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When you have women that are so busy doing all of the things,
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now they have a roadmap where they no longer have to be like,
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well, maybe I should try that.
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Or maybe I should try this. Or maybe what she did will work for me and have
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this supplement graveyard of supplements all over our house that we don't end
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up using or maybe don't even need.
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So I do find that it is one of the most powerful things that you can do for
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yourselves. Most of my clients will repeat them annually because it's like a
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nice, like, let's keep things on track once we're out of debt.
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I'm such a believer in testing. I mean, my husband and I, we went out to dinner
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last weekend and I know gluten.
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I don't have an allergy to gluten, but I know how it makes my body feel and it's not good.
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And I was like, we're just going to have the pasta. It was from this super clean
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restaurant, right? Like homemade pasta, whatever.
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And within 10 minutes, my sinuses are congested and I feel like I knew it was
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coming, right? But it's like this information that you can get with testing.
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I can better plan. That's not a regular occasion for me. But I know how my body's
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going to respond as well.
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Yeah. And I don't wander around going, man, my joints kind of hurt today.
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I wonder why. Well, I know exactly why they hurt.
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I just poisoned them yesterday. But then, you know, you can go into these experiences
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going, I'm going to have this experience, but I also know how to get my body back to base level.
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And I also know what are what am I supposed to be eating? What is best for my
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body? And I feel like without this testing, you're really just kind of flying blind in so many areas.
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Yeah, that's why we say tests don't guess. Because the thing is,
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when you talk about obviously shrinking a timeline for people,
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that is what testing does, I think, is that after all of the flying blind that people do, I mean,
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what a waste of time and money that is for us.
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So if we can streamline that for ourselves, because everybody is different.
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There's no one-size-fits-all approach. What got you here is going to be different than anybody else.
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100%. So the final two steps, I always say step four is, you know,
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a lot of people at that point are feeling a lot better. And so they want to
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jump right into, you know, I think fitness and kind of the money, the like sexy stuff.
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Yeah. But I really think it's so critical to kind of bulletproof the results
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that you have by looking at your environmental toxins. Like, can we reduce that load?
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And also really taking some time to look at soul food.
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You know, is there work I need to do? Like, do I need to invest some of this energy into
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marriage counseling or into being a better parent, if that's what I need,
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or into finding purpose and pleasure for myself or going to therapy because
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I have things from the past that I need to address?
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Let's spend that energy there so that those things don't become a big energy
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suck or stressor for you later. So I think that's such a critical step that a lot of us skip.
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And yet it can buy you so much more energy supply and vital reserve in a body
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to handle these more stressful times so that when that cortisol comes up,
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it doesn't stay up forever.
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It kind of comes back down when it's supposed to. And then finally,
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step five is when I think we invest. So at that point, we should have an energy surplus.
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And now we get to take that energy surplus and invest it in.
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I definitely think people should be investing it into fitness.
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I think putting on lean muscle is one of the best things you can do for your body.
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And that's the time to do it because one, you will actually get results.
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Like there's nothing worse than spending, you know, 30 to 45 minutes a day pushing
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yourself through a workout in a gym and not getting any results after a couple of weeks.
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Nobody likes to waste their time, I find. So that's the time I think we do that.
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And that's also when we can, you know, play with biohacking things and see what works for you.
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Like peptide therapy or, you know, other fun biohacking things,
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if that's something you want to do. Right. I love it. And it's just so amazing
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because I'm like, oh, yeah, I did that and I did that and I did that.
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And so I'm going back in my journey.
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And the fact that you can just take women through this is incredible.
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I mean, I know for me, it's, you know, improved my marriage.
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It's improved my relationship with my kids.
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And most people think, oh, well, it's just weight loss. And it's not.
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We have a full body, mind, body, spirit. And when you address all of them in
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a systematic way, like what you have built, it's life changing.
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Yeah, I really believe women are magic. And, you know, that magic gets really
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sucked out of us when we're too consumed by the fact that we don't feel good in our body.
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And as you say, like health is it's holistic. It is body, mind and soul.
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That's what gets us somewhere. And when you are healthy, the body typically
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releases unwanted weight anyway. It settles into a place like if you're doing
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the right things for your body, if you're happy.
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I mean, usually we settle into a place where like, oh, I'm not even thinking
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about my body except to maintain it,
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in a healthy way, which I think is for me where I'd love to be because it's
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a real energy suck in all aspects of our life, our relationships, our motherhood.
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Our ability to accomplish all the great things we want to in this world when
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we are not feeling our best.
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Well, and I think back to like all the things that I said, you know,
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all those dreams you have like tucked away,
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that you feel like there's no time for because you were, I mean,
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my kids, you were talking about your kids and what they, you know,
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how they used to refer to you.
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And like my kids used to call me Dory, like that little blue fish,
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because I could not remember anything.
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And I was like, that was so funny. It's so cute. And then I was like, that's awful.
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Like and because i really couldn't remember and they would say mom we told you,
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and then i would write it down and then i would forget where the piece of paper
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was and then i'd set alarms and,
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it was i was trying to survive and you know my daughter said the other day you
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know she's 19 now all my kids are adults oh my gosh and she said,
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You just used to be so tired all the time. That's all I remember about you as
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a mom. And I was like, oh, just gutting. And so for me, I'm like,
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if there are moms, I know I was a younger mom and so my kids are older now.
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There's a lot of moms in their 40s who still have littles.
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And I feel like that's more of the norm now. And if you can take that time back with your kids.
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And invest in your health, your healing, and how you live in your body, I mean,
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it's honestly, it changes generations.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think you brought up like a really great point just simply
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around how as moms, we often are sacrificing ourselves for our children.
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But I think we have to ask, like, would I want this life for my child?
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Do you want your daughter to grow up and just be constantly sacrificing herself as well?
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Because that's what she sees when that's what you're doing.
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Whereas if you can carve out a little bit of time every day just for you,
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that's what she's going to think is normal.
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And that's what your sons are going to think is normal for women partners or
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the women in their lives.
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And I think that's a really important piece to recognize is how much productivity
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there actually is in rest. So much so. And even if you are like me and your
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kids are grown up and they're out of the house,
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You can still take that time back and collapse it because that's exactly what
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I'm doing with my kids now.
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And we are restoring those years. And you can't get them back,
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but you can change the dynamic and you can change the memories.
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You can make new memories.
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I am just so thankful that you are on this show today and sharing all of this with our audience.
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If you were to leave one last piece of advice or knowledge or blessing with
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our audience, what would you say to them? Yeah.
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I think one of the most important things that really changed my perspective
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was this idea of be more in your life and not just less on a scale.
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I think we, in the culture we've been raised in as women, we've really been
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pushed to take up less space.
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You know, be smaller, you know, don't ruffle feathers, take up less space.
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And yet in the process of physically being smaller, we shrink ourselves.
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If you can start to think about what is going to help me take up more space today,
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I think that that is often just, you know, whether that's in,
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you know, speaking your truth and your heart so that that, you know,
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that sets you lighter and makes you lighter, whether it's
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eating in a way that helps you feel energized, whether that's working out and making you stronger.
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When we take up more space and focus on being bigger instead of smaller,
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we actually get, I think, exactly what we're looking for as women.
26:56
It's so wonderful. Well, make sure you can find Bria. Bria, tell our audience
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where can they find you because you are in so many places. Yeah, thank you.
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Well, come check out the Period Whisperer podcast, especially if you want to
27:08
specifically focus on perimenopause and menopause, as that's my real jam.
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Anywhere you get your podcasts or probably the easiest place is just to go to
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my website, briatheperiodwhisperer.com.
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And from there, you can find all of the socials, all of the things and all this.
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Wow i have had such a good time with you here today so thank you so much for
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being on the show and please make sure that you go connect with bria.
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And if you are looking to truly collapse time and not spend all the years that
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I spent wasting trying to find all the solutions on your own, go.
27:43
Connect with Bria and link arms with her so that you truly can step into everything
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you are called to be, you are meant to be, and walk out those dreams that you
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have in your heart. And until next time, we will see you guys later.
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28:13
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