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They thought his limb difference was AI.💀 Jacob Mundell tells all! | Tilly Talks Tech · Tilly Talks Tech

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: What's up everybody?
• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to TikTok Tech.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for tuning in.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: And guys, this is gonna be a show today because we have a showman coming on the pod.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: Today is another spotlight episode of the people who are wearing open bionics tech.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: Jacob Mundell has just got his hero flex, and I wanna hear all about it.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: He already lives like a chaotic life between acting, being a comedian.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: He is also a game show host at Bingo Loco.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: Let me just attach a video real quick, just so you can get the vibe.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: He grew up with Olympic friends, and then at some point he decided he was just gonna be the funniest in the room at all times, and the rest is history.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: He's also a super talented actor, killing it on screen himself in shows like The X-Bans.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: Without any further ado, let's get into it.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness, Jacob, welcome to Tilly Talks Tech.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so happy to have you on the podcast.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: How are you doing?
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm fantastic.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for having me.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's lovely to meet you face to face.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_02: I've listened to uh I've listened to several episodes before.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know which ones you listen to?
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_02: The one that sticks out in my mind is where you met with Angel because I've met Angel once um at uh at Lucky Finn.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: We've just been yapping before we even hit record about Lucky Finn project because it is just one of those things that is like just so known within the Lim Different community.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: And Angel was actually the one I was gonna ask you about because obviously you've doubled in like acting and you've been in some really cool stuff, just like Angel has.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: I could totally see how you guys would get on.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't even know where to start with you because you get you get up to so much.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: You're like a comedian, you're a writer, like I said, you've done some acting.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: How would you like describe yourself to the people who've like never met you before?
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_02: I yeah, I I have a life as a performing artist, entertainer.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_02: I went to school for performing arts in Savannah, Georgia.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_02: I really locked in on live theater for about 10 to 15 years.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: I did Shakespeare.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: I most there's a whole thing in to be classically trained and is uh I was my focus.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_02: Graduated to doing some regional theater for a few years, um, some touring jobs where we would do Shakespeare for um adult audiences, student audiences.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think I kind of capped off my theater career by writing my own play, uh, which I also produced here in Chicago.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: It was a one-man play about the life of Edgar Allan Poe.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: And um and I connected to it through his depression, my own, you know, relating to it with my own mental health um experiences.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_02: But since producing that play, I've moved on to I've had, I've been lucky enough to get some uh TV work.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and a lot of it is due to my limb difference.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um you like that as like just like that's kind of the pull factor in, or you're like kind of impartial?
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know how to I'm gonna be totally honest.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what the best way to frame it is.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, let's look at it from two different angles.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like you in one way I could say the only TV work I get is because I have one hand, you know, and that's the only reason I quote unquote get those jobs.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_02: I my my agent and my manager are amazing.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_02: They send me, they get me auditions for non-disabled roles, uh, but the only jobs I get are the disabled ones.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_02: So you I could be ungrateful for that.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um another way to frame it is everybody in TV gets jobs because of what they look like.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, in the world of Shakespeare, you can cast all kinds of you can do all kinds of mixed identity casting, but TV's a lot more rigid.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's both worlds.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's sometimes it feels limiting, sometimes it's also like, well, I got one hand, so it rockets me to the front of the line for that part.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_02: If I'm when I get a TV role that is has nothing to do with the fact that I have one hand, yeah, that'll be a cool thing.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: At the same time, I've also gotten into stand-up comedy a lot in the last couple of years, and a decent portion of my material is about having one hand.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_02: A decent, a decent proportion of my material is about being gay.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, but I also would love to fit in material to my stand-up that is just good quote unquote jokes.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's I think it's quite a complicated one because I found it as well.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm a content creator more than anything, right?
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's all like, oh, you gotta lean into your niche.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: Part of me was like, I don't really want to like box myself in so much, but then if I actually sit and think about what I want to talk about, it kind of ties back to my disbelief and like your identity and just who you are because it does make up so much of that.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like when you grow with a disability or like a limb difference or whatever, like it's such a like integrated part of your life, like in everything that you do, I always find my way.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I feel back home to talk about you know what being limb different is sort of like tour us.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I will leave it to to better minds than me.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_02: I think Angel is a lot more articulate on this kind of stuff than me because I go over it a lot, and my therapist tells me just not to overthink it sometimes, you know.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: Easier said than done.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_02: Uh oh my god.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what I find really interesting is like you you said you started in theater, you started in Shakespeare.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, when it comes to like your TV work, obviously you were in the expanse, which is like kind of the opposite of that.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's like way into the science fiction side of things, like it's humanity colonizing the solar system, like Earth, Mars, all these other planets.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how was that for you, like doing a 180, like being on that sort of set?
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: It was the memory of a lifetime, and it's it's it's one of those things where it's it's like uh, you know, will I ever top that?
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know, have I have I peaked just because it was such a cool project, you know.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I would say, I would say the biggest thing that was enjoyable about it was that I'm a huge sci-fi nerd.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_02: I like, you know, I don't I'm not watching a lot of sci-fi these days, but high school, I was all about Star Trek Voyager, Battlestar Galactica, Star Wars.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_02: And so yeah, I I mean actors.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_02: If you're if you're if you're listening, if you're not watching on YouTube, Tilly and I are both doing these little wavy snake dances.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_02: We just did some we just did some some mirroring.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: We just connected on a spiritual level, I feel.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: For me to as a sci-fi nerd get to be on like the set of a spaceship and boop and beep buttons.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they had some some they built some touch screens into the sets so I could boop, boop, boop.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that was the my kid imagination side that was uh total privilege.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: The fact that some people ended up liking it too was a bonus.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: People really liked it.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: I saw somebody actually post on Reddit.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, you might have seen this, but it was actually like R slash the X-Bans.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: The guy who plays Eric presents sheer power.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: Why are we not seeing more of him in shows?
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh, be still my heart.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_02: From your ears to the casting directors of Hollywood, please.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but yeah, I think that goes to show like we do on you on our screens.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: And just to buddy you up a bit more, that's not even all of it.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: He said, seriously, what a phenomenal actor, Jacob Mundell is his physical presence is off the charts.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uniquely, he has a classical physical deformity and such a strong presence, he radiates power all the time.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't we see more of him?
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I second that refreshing to see somebody with an actual limb difference play a character with a limb difference.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like seeing a someone without a limb difference play someone with a limb difference?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like do you think they should castle in different people?
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_02: I I had a chance to talk to the on the set of Expanse to the uh director Breck Eisner, and he he said candidly, you know, we have the budget to hire uh an actor with a bigger name who we know can do this role really well, and we have the budget to CGI, you know, his disability.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, but we made a commitment to doing an aggressive scouting campaign to find someone to play this role.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: So shout out, shout out to Alcon Studios and and Breck and and uh I guess Amazon um for all of that.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: There are other uh demographics that do do cross-casting all the time.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think as a gay man, it actually frustrates me more how many gay characters are cast by straight guys, by hot straight dudes, and um and I feel like the characters would be played differently if they were actual gay dudes who might not look like the media's concept of what a sympathetic hot dude looks like.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: Uh does that make sense?
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that that makes total sense.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: At the end of the day, yeah, you're part of like two minorities.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: You go to be on the X-Bants and you were playing a character who was like had a limb difference, and that's super, super cool.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I think because obviously there is so much CGI, like people, that's that's their assumption right away.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh, that's that's really good CGI, and it made me laugh seeing your tweet because you literally had to tell everybody, you were like, This is not CGI.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: Right when this show came out, I did have a I could Google search my name, and then Google would suggest arm fake, like Jacob Mundell arm fake question mark.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_02: Jacob Mundell fake arm question mark, Jacob Mundell real person question mark.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_02: It just like it went on and on.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I guess a lot of people were really wondering.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it it was interesting to me that a lot of people assumed that part was um was uh CGI.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, especially when it's like you know, it's funny just because like when people are on the internet, they just say what's on their mind, not thinking that you might actually see that everyone's searching Jake Mundell, like, and you're like sat here at home with like your hand and you're on like the things that I found the most funny were the people who interpreted my demeanor.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_02: I have a very, I don't know, I'm kind of a I'm kind of a wordy nerd uh with a pitchy gable.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, pe people what my favorite quotes on Reddit were like, were like, didn't know that the the nerdy chump with one hand was would would be so cool.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, nerdy chump?
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you just called me a nerd.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: That kind of stuff.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: The the the the flair of character on the internet is always what I find the most entertaining, more than like the politics of there's just gonna be people out there who don't know how to handle people with a disability.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: There's so few of us that it we we break their brains when they see us, and they don't even mean to be rude.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think one of the quote unquote like microaggressions we deal with, and I I'll I'll bet money, you don't have to agree, but I'll bet money that you experience this is like something that people do to us is total strangers who have never met us before, don't know our names, will walk up and say, Wow, what happened to you?
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, buddy, complete stranger.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_02: Come on, my guy.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness, it is like that.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: But like I had meningitis, like that's how I lost my hand, which like led to like so many other medical things that you don't really know until you get older, like all the ways it affects your body and stuff.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: I had this big, like massive cage around my thigh, which just even like when you look at it, you're like, that's that's a bit deeper than she's like fell over playing football.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like in the lake, and this woman, and they're like, Oh, what happened to you?
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Looks at them, and I'm like, How do I tell this woman that I contracted a like plague-ish blood disease when I was 15 months old and like had to lose all my limbs, and like now, 10 years later, I'm finding more problems.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's just a whole kind of limbs.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's like not even so bad.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_02: And people, and and you can if you feel so inspired, you can take it on yourself to educate that person that it's rude to ask a trainer why they look different.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: But at the same time, you it you we can never solve it.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: People like it's just a behavior that humans do.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: There will people will ask strangers, why do you why are you like this?
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: That'll that'll just never go away.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: Why are you like this?
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's like this.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_02: It breaks my brain when I overanalyze it.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: Because when someone says to a disabled person, uh whoa, what happened?
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: What they're saying is, why are you like you?
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: Why are you different than me?
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: Why do you look like what I don't expect a person to look like?
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I just I can't think of another demographic where that's acceptable, like respectfully, Tilly, hypothetical situation.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: If I came up to you and said, Wow, I noticed you're a woman, what happened?
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's not that's not Yeah, no, legit.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: It is literally like that.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's like fundamentally who you are as a person.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Why are you why are we questioning that?
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like moving on, let's get on to some of the fun stuff.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: Comedy.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: You said like you really leaned into comedy, so freaking fun.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: And before we get into all that, I actually I I just feel like I need to tell you this because you have a hero flex now, which is like one of our like activity attachment arms, right?
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, he's got it.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: So cool.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I've obviously got the same socket butt with a hand on the end, because we can do that now, guys.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: But it was really funny.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was you who they were trying to design for because between like R and D, they were putting in our chat, hey, do we know how good this specific activity attachment is gonna hold a microphone?
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it was like a whole like string of conversation going back and forth, like, oh, I wonder what what activity attachment works best for this.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: And one of our RD guys literally got on with like a video, and he sends this into the chat and he's literally like freaking like flailing his arm around, like trying to make sure that the mic stays put.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: So, first of all, is the microphone staying put?
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I I I have to back you up there because I love this hero flex.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: I use it for primarily working out, I use it for a lot of weight-bearing materials, and I'm happy to show you the the attachments I have, but for my comedy and for uh my my game show hosting, I still use, choose to use this device that I made myself from a toilet pipe.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um oh my god, all the best inventions come out of toilet-related items.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: I swear because I have one as well.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's so random, but carry on.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's um, first of all, don't want to lose this on the road, but also, you know, uh when it comes to performing for before a performance personality as a comedian and a host, you're kind of telling a story and adding your flair to it.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: And this device that I made myself with, you know, gorilla glue and a mic stand head off of Amazon, like this just has character.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's very comfortable.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like I'm uncomfortable using it.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: So I I still use my homemade device for all of my performance-related engagements.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: Just it tells a it tells a more of a story than an item that was made for me.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I actually love that and I appreciate that correction because I I share such a sentimentality towards like you know, the stuff that we make.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I have a I can't take all the credit, I didn't make it my piano teacher kind of designed it and engineered it for me, but it's made up of a toilet roll tube and a garden break.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: This is what I mean when it comes to the bloody toilets.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, apparently that's that's the future of prosetics, guys.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's just toilet attachments, but toilet technology is in a lot of pockets and a lot of uh a lot of lobbies.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's easy access.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: We all we all have a toilet, don't we?
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: So next time you're at the toilet, bust it up and see what you can make.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, it's like it's literally a toilet roller tube at a garden rake, and it's what I use to play piano.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I could I've shown that to like Joel and the RD team here, where I'm like, you should really make this because I'm like, you know, a lot of people comment on my stuff and they're like, I want to play piano like this, where can I get one?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh well, you can make it yourself of a toilet roller tube and a garden rake, but some people aren't like that, so I'm like, yeah, there should definitely be the option available where you can like buy it and have it as an activity attachment.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think that would be really super cool.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: But if they did make an activity attachment for a triad chord like mine is, there's no way I'm putting my toilet roller tube down because she's like, we've been through like the whole thing.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, literally, like we we have like yeah.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: I remember like the first time I like put that to the keyboard, and I was like, wait, I can play a triochord with a toilet roll tube and I got in a rake.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: What a like revelation.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: This does feel like more of an extension of myself.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I bet like the first time you went on and like did a stand-up gig or something like that.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do you even remember when you did that?
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: I imagine that was like quite a while ago.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: It was cool.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it was you know a little bit of a flash in the pan.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I my the first I rem the first night that I did use this at an open mic in Chicago, um, people's minds were like, what like you know, uh it's comedy, Captain Hook, holy and um and and now I think that the Chicago comedic comedy scene is been exposed to it and they're used to it, and now I have to like get by I actually have to write good jokes.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: But but yeah, there was a moment, there was a moment where this blew everybody's mind.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: And um it does, yeah, it's it brings a flair to my shows that not every other, not everyone else has.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: And the the I could just hold a mic in my only hand, but um it still does limit me because now I just have I have my left arm and I have my right arm that also ends in a round ball.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's it's it's kind of like I have like little kitty, I have little kitty cat paws now.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: I can't do it, but if I have this and a mic, then I'm much more free to talk with my hands as I am wont to do.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I had the exact same experience because I I I dabble in a little bit of like singing occasionally, but that was that was a thing because it's like if I bilateral as well, if I'm like holding a microphone, it's this.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: There's like there's no room to play whatsoever.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: So, like when they were going back and forth about can the hero flex hold a mic and things like that, they messaged me because they knew like I run around on stage with microphones.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, I I grasp it in the hero pro, but yeah, without that, I'm literally like this.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm so stationary, and it's so cool to like have a hand here holding the mic and then also have a hand over here doing whatever the heck else, you know.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I ask, have you invented any other prosthetics for yourself, like uh besides your toilet paper roll, or is that the primary invention?
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's the primary one.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when open bonox came to me and they were like, which octavity activity attachment would you love?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what would you love to try, but you haven't before?
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: I said drums, so we like that I didn't make it myself, but we have a drum and attachment now, and that was a back and forth sort of like process because I'm just like that, I'm more into like music and stuff.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen that in the catalog.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: Is that you're the reason that attachment exists?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, legacy, very cool.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: But uh yeah, I primarily use this for for working out because it's got its load-bearing um abilities, yeah, but it has given me access to several more machines that I didn't get to use before.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yay, that's so cool.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: That is super epic.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: I I test them out in the gym and stuff as well, which is like, whoa, you'd never find me in the gym, period.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: But I had to test it out and stuff.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: Here's a question about the gym.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: Does anyone ever come up to you at the gym and tell you how brave you are?
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: No, I know you know what?
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: I've only been once when I was testing, and I feel like that could be the reason.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: Because I feel like, yes, we're gonna stick out like a sore foam, and I feel like somebody would come and say that.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I think subconsciously that might be the thing that's keeping me at home, to be honest.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: I manage to go a lot, and it it hasn't happened in a while, but once every few months, I feel like everyone in my gym is used to seeing me now, but like every once in a while, some somebody without a lot of awareness comes up and says, Man, man, good for you, man.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: You like such an inspiration, bro, for leaving the house.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: People, other people in your situation, they would just stay home and and then they tap, and then I I I usually freeze.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not good in the moment, I'm really not good in like the moment.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: So so I freeze, and I just like it.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: And then he tap dances away, like, yep, I really I really saved that misfit toy.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: I really did some good for the universe.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't so I have no experience in the gym, but you're you give me flashbacks.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: I I feel like I've got it like once or twice club in.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh shit, really.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_02: What's that what happens at the clerb, girl?
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Do you not go to the club?
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: I used to go to the club.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a retired party gay.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, it's I I I clove more on holiday, girls' holiday vibes, you know.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: Free drinks all night.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: Because when I tell you the sheer amount of people who will come up to me and like, or the bartenders, like the guy at the bar has a cousin whose sister, like whose brothers aren't, um, has a wing difference.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, free drinks.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, okay, you've got like drinks on tap all night, and I'm like, oh hey, let's go.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: I was in the club one time and my my my sister who I was with, like, she went to the toilet, and as she was leaving, this guy came over to stand next to me, and I was like, literally, I was like, Oh, here we go already.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: And he was like, No, no, I don't mean any harm.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, I just my sister has a limb difference, and I think it's great that you're out.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Thank you.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's great that you're out.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Yeah, okay.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: How do you unwind that cognitive dissonance?
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like, hey, buddy, you're not doing a good thing right now.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: I know you think you're being a hero, but you're not.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, um, back to your like your comedy sort of sets, talk me through it.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do you like you like you write like a skit or something and then you like perform it on the stage?
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm curious to know where we do, like where you do incorporate your disability a little bit.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, some people are really scared to laugh at that sort of joke when we tell it, you know.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever experienced that?
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: I have to I have to do one-handed jokes the second I hit the stage.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: That has to be the first thing I do.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, if if the if the audience is gonna listen to anything I say, um, I have to address the the the big one-handed elephant in the room um right away.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: And then they can relax.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: When someone with such a standout feature gets on stage, if I just started talking about the economy or something, they'd be like, Does he know that he has one hand?
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: He needs to address it first.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: I I usually I hit the stage, I put the mic in my holder, and then I'll say something like, Um, all right, if I don't start with a one-handed joke, some of you won't be able to focus.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: Or um uh, you know, and then I'm like, now the ice is broken.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: Great, now we can do what I want to do tonight.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: Or if I'm doing gay jokes that night, then I'll be like, I'll put the mic in the holder and they'll see it, they'll go, whoa, and then I'll say plot twist.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm doing, I'm also gay, and then and then we do, you know, but I I have to like just do that little acknowledgement at the very top to get anything else done.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's kind of kind of weird thing to like have to do that because you're so right, like it's genuinely is like people will like they like you said, like they can't focus without addressing the elephant in the room.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: And the whole point is in a about like a comedy club or an open mind, like you meant to relax into it, you meant to be having a good time, and they're like rigid when you come up on the stage because you're missing a hand.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_02: But once I do, like it's you know, it's it it it makes up a sign, it does make up a significant part of my material.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like I'm I'm avoiding it, it's not like I don't want to talk about it.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: There's I have a lot of things to say about my experience as a limb different person, so it has its place for sure.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I I would like to explore like can I can I talk about something else first and then wind my way into it or talk about it first, then do gay jokes, then go back to one-handed jokes, or then do no quote unquote normal jokes.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm pretty young in my stand-up career so far.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I only have 10 to 15 minutes of material that I'd willingly put in front of people, and writing is hard.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a very slow writer.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: The number one thing about the note, one of the notes you get about comedy is like, you know, stick with the truth, talk about things that are true, and find your voice and talk about yourself.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: And it's a hundred percent a part of who I am.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: It might be the thing that I forget about talking about the most.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like I've been, I've had one hand my entire life, so I forget about it.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I've only more recently been gay, and I've only more recently, you know, explored other aspects of my identity.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: So it seems like old news, but it is like one of the most uh it is some of the most outstanding perspective that I have to offer other people.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and yeah, you're right.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: It sets you apart massively, so I can definitely see how like it would be it would be a massive strength, I guess.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: Do you see it like that?
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, but strength and weakness, I guess, are two sides of the same coin.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, everything about you brings pros and cons.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: Everything about you brings um uniqueness and challenges.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: Is that an acceptable answer?
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: That is an acceptable answer, and it's the honest one.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: And you are a show host.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Let's let's get to that now.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Bingo Loco.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: What the hell is Bingo Loco?
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's oh my god, free promotion, free, free marketing for my one of my current bingo loco.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: It is a uh a global company, it's an Irish company.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the four founders are all from Ireland.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: Only the Irish could invent this.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um it it lives in the party industry.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's a party game show.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's a two and a half hour show where you show up 90 minutes um before the show so that you can drink basically, so there's bar time.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: I do these shows completely sober.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think I I'm glad that I got sober before I got this job.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, I don't I don't know if it would bode well for me.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: But um you everyone's sitting at these long row tables, you get a bingo book, you get a marker, and then um I come out with the DJ, and we we do we play millennial nostalgia music.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's a lot of 90s and 2000s uh bops because millennials are the ones with you know prime working age money right now.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: And you can say that again.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: And we're getting old, so we want to hear the music of our childhood.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: Play music.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: I do bits of comedy here and there.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: We have confetti cannons, I blow them off.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: We have uh I have a CO2 gun and I spray it all over the place.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's very chaotic.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: And that we do play bingo.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: We there's seven bingo prizes.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um I give away air fryers, I give away a cardboard cutout of um of Britney Spears or Snoop Dogg.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: I give away.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: I thought you were gonna say like a cut up cutout of you.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: That would be cool but expensive.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: I I'm um I'm honored that you would think people lose their mind over the cutout because it's it it's gotta be someone really famous.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's like and then the grand prize of the night, just to add some weight to it.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: The grand prize of the night is uh um uh a vacation, a trip for two people, airfare and a hotel for two nights to a mysterious destination, which I will not give away here.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Is it like some shitty town in England?
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: I will not disparage the kingdom.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's on you.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but it's a very cool city in these United States.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh and I do the same show, but they give me a lot of autonomy.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_02: They give you a bone, a structure, a skeleton, and then you get to drape it in whatever you do, and I add all my own bits to it.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: I I wear multiple layers of stripper pants, so I rip them off, and there's more pants, and I rip those off, and there's more pants.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um I have an inflatable flamingo costume that I wear.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um it just gets better and better.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's it's a great outlet for my bottomless well of energy that I get into sometimes.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: Period.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's so super cool.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I am hearing the endless like pit of energy, especially now you're a father.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: I have a son, his name is August, and uh uh my husband is with him right now, and um it's it's wonderful.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: He's doing what exactly what he's supposed to do.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's obviously a lot of work.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a little insecure.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to give in to like, oh my god, I I'm getting mostly because I don't want people to be right to say, I bet you're not getting it's it's everything that people who do have children and don't have children think it is.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm filming this, I'm recording this from my bedroom.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um because it's the nicest looking part of the house right now, the rest of the house is taken over by you know who.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, it's it's a lot of work.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's and and he's very cute and he makes cute little noises.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm actually really looking forward to making a major part of my life and taking it away from the performing arts industry because I really what success I've had, I would say comes from an immense amount of sacrifice and of not having roots, not have you know, not seeing friends, not seeing family as much as you'd like to, making a family of my own and choosing to not just give so much to these uh auditions that are free labor that caught that take so much, ask for so much from me.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think this will be good medicine, and I look forward to having a private part of myself.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, that sounds really good.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's all about the balance.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: I take it August isn't coming to Bingo Loco anytime soon.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_02: No, August, no.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: I do have a little bit of a split personality right now because I want to my my my stage persona for Bingo Loco, his name is Handsome Jay.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: He he's a fantasy person, he can't exist in the real world.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_02: And he's I don't think, yeah, I I I can't imagine Handsome Jay as a father.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think he's I don't think he's responsible.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think well, August won't be allowed to see bingo loco until he's 21, anyway.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll see if I'm still doing bingo loco in 21 years when I'm when I'm 58.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Bro, I mean I I can't even go bingo loco.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: You can't, you're how okay.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't I didn't know you weren't okay.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: Let me know when you turn 21, and I'll get I'll get you some tickets.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: When you turn 21, I will take a vacation to the UK and I will have them assign me to a show in the in the in the kingdom, and then you can you can come to it.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: You do all that.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_02: What's the drinking age in in in in it's 18.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm 20.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_02: So oh, well, then you could probably go to a bingo loco over there.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I want to see you do it.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'll I'm not traveling anytime soon, but eventually we'll we'll we'll we'll get it in somewhere.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love how you just opened up about how you're like you're having your private life and you're settling down and it's family time.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, can you come to England and freaking perform bingo loco for me, please?
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, Tilly, you're so right.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: You're so right.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: And that's how perverted this industry has actors.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, no, I'm gonna set boundaries and I'm gonna respect myself and have a private life that isn't for sale.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: By the way, yeah, I'll totally drop my family and fly to another continent for free.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_02: And the just so someone can watch me be on stage for a couple hours.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: You you caught me.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: You were so the this world, this this job got me fed up, and I'm I'm working on it.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: And on that note, I think that's a lovely note of just you know, realization.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, Jacob.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's been so so fun chatting to you.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: Is there anything that you'd like to promote, like your handles or anything like that, or are you literally going off the grid?
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_02: No, I I'm still playing the Instagram game because uh that's where that's how comedians get booked.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I would love it if you would follow me on Instagram at Jacob.mundel, J-A-C-O-B, as in boy.m uh u N D E L L.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: I probably can't talk about it.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: I have one guest star role on one episode of an Amazon show coming out probably in 2027.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: So this will be old news by then, but this feels like makes me feel like a hot shot to promote it.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, hell yeah, absolutely.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: We will keep our eyes on that.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, Jacob.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: This has been so fun, and yeah, I wish you all the best at Bingo Loco and settling down with your family and just you know, doing what's right for you.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much, Dilly.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: That was so cool.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, what like a genuine guy.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's just lived a million lives.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: Just trying out all the different paths, trying out a new prosthetic, seeing how that can help him in his day-to-day life.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: I always love to spotlight the people wearing our technology, of course.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: You've probably seen him on Open Bionics' social media page, if not this one.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for listening to this episode of Tony Fox Tech.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: I really do hope you enjoyed it.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: I cannot wait to turn 21 and go bingo loco.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: If you did enjoy this episode, please make sure to like, comment, and subscribe.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: Share with somebody you think that might like it.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Let me know who else we should get on, and I will see you next time.