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Welcome back, Theater Lovers, to the BSB Podcast.
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Today we're continuing our discussion of the North American touring production
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of the notebook.
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So you haven't seen it yet, please pause this video and join us again once you have,
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as there will be plenty of spoilers.
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That being said, RJ, let's get right into it.
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We talked about Allie, Noah, and the challenge of turning one of
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the world's best known romantic dramas into a stage musical.
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and now we need to talk about the thing that actually makes this version
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of the notebook the musical. Ingrid Michelson's score.
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You said that you knew about Ingrid Michelson before this.
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I have never heard of that name until you mentioned it approximately twenty minutes
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ago. What what did you kind of know about Ingrid before setting his foot into
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the notebook?
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I mean, she has plenty of of songs.
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singer-songwriter style.
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And that's, I mean, that's one of my favorite kinds of music.
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But I was introduced to her music way back again in high school.
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~ and for those of you wondering how long ago that was,
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approximately 15 plus years. so it's it's been a minute
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We're old guys, we're old.
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since since I've listened. ~ I mean,
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aside from when she's, you know.
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In my library on Shuffle. But this,
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from what I had heard a little bit of the score previous to seeing the show,
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I knew that there would probably be some tight harmonies,
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and it was gonna be ballad heavy because she predominantly again,
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it's it's slow song after slow song on her albums.
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She's not like a peppy upbeat pop star.
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~ it is ~ it's a little bit more.
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In the feels type music.
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It's an Adele and not a Britney Spears.
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Yes. With with a little bit more guitar and folky vibe.
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Listen, we have to bring it down we have to bring it down low for me.
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You know, I don't know all these other words you use.
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well, it's wonderful that you have heard of Ingrid before because I
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had not heard her name. I just looked her up as you were talking.
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There's not a song of hers that I could even think about that even
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sh tickled the brain at all. I was completely looking at this,
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being like, I have no idea who this person is.
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I'm sorry to this person. That being said,
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I think that it's interesting when you talk about Sinker Songwriter because
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Those vibes are exactly what the notebook was when it comes to this show.
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Like, this is a hundred percent what she would picture.
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Somebody who's just writing songs with their guitar,
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like sitting on the edge of a the river.
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And part of me doesn't know if that's because of that's what ~ Noah does
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in the story. That's why I'm picturing that,
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or if that's actually the vibe.
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But you know what I mean? Like it kind of feels like you're just kind
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of you're plucking a s you're plucking the guitar and you're you're writing down
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some things and like you're very artsy.
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And that's what this show really is.
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It's like an
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artsy show ~ for people who love that kind of music.
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Yeah, I think it's it's actually kind of made for the the music nerds
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a little bit because
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Mm-hmm.
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a lot of musical theater tends to be aside from like if we're looking
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at like Sondheim or something,
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but modern musical theater tends to be very like here are four chords,
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maybe five, and that is like every song of every throughout the show.
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Maybe different different tempos,
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obviously different lyrics, but generally easy.
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This show is way more like you said,
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like I could sit on my mom's front porch with an acoustic guitar
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and probably sing through most of these songs,
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and they would still sound similar to what you would hear on the studio side
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or on the cast album, ~ with a lot of like harmonic
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things happening that just they sound pretty.
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Yeah, it reminds me a little bit,
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~ and this might be blasphemous for you,
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RJ. So please don't cringe too hard.
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It reminds me a little bit of the structure of The Outsiders,
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with like how that music is kind of like that music is also,
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you know, blue gr it's a little more blue grassy I I should say.
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But again, they're all songs that you could play on your front porch
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and you wouldn't miss necessarily a lot of it because there isn't a
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lot of other like heavy instrumental pieces to it.
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This is very much like a down-to-earth kind of show.
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~ and so I was definitely getting a little bit of the outsider vibes.
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That being said, ~ I love the outsiders,
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and ~ you I cannot tell you a day later,
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less than 12 hours later, a a little more over than 12 hours.
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I apologize. A single song from this soundtrack that stood out to me.
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There's not one that I could be like,
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yeah, that was good. There were people behind us.
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I don't know if you heard them when we were there,
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and they were talking to the row behind them,
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and they were like,
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this song, this song, this song from TikTok,
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this one's really popular, this one,
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this one, this and when the that was at intermission at the second act,
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there wasn't a single song that I said,
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I know that from TikTok. Or if I have,
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it's nothing stuck in this brain.
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Because I think that ~ for me,
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most of the music of the notebook was forgettable.
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There was not a single thing that was like,
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Yep, I'm gonna put that on my shelf and listen to that all the time.
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Yeah,
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I think I mostly agree. I think at this point I've I've heard the album
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a enough and by enough I mean like twice.
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~ that I generally the two songs I know immediately the TikTok song is my days.
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~ Joy Wood's performance
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Is it?
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of that is insane and yes,
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it it went viral for a while.
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~ I'm not even sure why, but ~ it's it's the it
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is probably the only primary power ballad of the show.
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Well, people could argue
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Yeah, I would agree with that.
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about argue about Noah's too, but hers is just like yeah.
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~ and then I would say the only other
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one that I thoroughly
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I don't even want to say thoroughly enjoy,
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but that I recognize is is the opening number,
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which kind of comes back ~ in what they call the coda,
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which is labeled time, which of course this whole show is about time.
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and I love a good lyric.
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So I I do love a lot of the lyrics of the show,
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but the melodies are just like you said,
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they're so unfortunately forgettable.
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'cause I I couldn't even tell you.
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Looking at the song list, I can't even tell you what scenes or what
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was happening in those scenes during these songs because that's just
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how forgettable to me they were.
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You know, I will I'm gonna back up.
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I'm gonna take back what I said.
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I do remember my days now that you mention it,
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only because of our ~ our middle alley gave a lot of she gave a great performance
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at that one. And it was one that definitely felt very ~ Broadway in
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the fact that she was standing in the middle,
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she was kind of singing her high notes going higher and higher,
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and then it cut to black. So that one does stand out.
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But again, am I gonna seek that out to listen to it?
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Probably not. I do want to touch on time real quick.
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What I loved, not only did it come back in coda,
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but there was plenty of times where older Allie was singing
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the melody throughout the show at little pieces,
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but like wasn't words. If she was just like humming it.
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And to me, I love a good fucking motif.
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And so if you put that motif in there of just like keep coming back to the time,
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she's also kind of remembering time,
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but it's not remembering her in a way.
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~ I loved that. I do think that piece of the story was good.
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I
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I'm looking at the set list. There's 20 musical sequences,
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and I can't tell you a single one.
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sorry. Guys, I I'm nothing but full of lies today.
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This hair just is hiding lots of lies.
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Leave the light on. I liked that one too.
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But that was kind of
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Of course he did.
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what is that supposed to mean?
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What is that supposed to mean,
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RJ?
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I
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mean that is basically the equivalent of my days,
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but Noah's version, I would say.
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Yes, correct. A thousand percent I was gonna say that.
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It was it was giving,
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my gosh, why am I blinking on the Elish Keys musical,
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Hell's Kitchen. ~ it was giving the the
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Yes.
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female ballad, whatever the name of that is.
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That's the energy that I was getting
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Yes. I know what you're talking about.
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from him with this with that song.
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Yes. It's funny you say that because when he was performing,
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I said to myself, Why am I getting reminiscence of Hell's Kitchen?
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Like a hundred percent. Like my brain was going straight to Hell's Kitchen.
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And so I think that's why maybe it was tickling a little bit for me.
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Cause I do Hell's Kitchen is one of those ones the longer I sit with it,
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the more I actually kind of like it.
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~ not that I disliked it, but it was just kind of like a,
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okay, this was a musical and now that I'm sitting with it,
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like specifically the the one song you're talking about.
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makes I think about that song often.
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And so I do think that will be one ~ leave the light on that I will think about
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potentially, ~ if I don't forget about it in the next twenty minutes,
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that I will think about again.
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But I think like those are the really three of the only songs that were standouts.
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Other than that, was there even points to stop and clap?
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Were we clapping or did it just go in from one song to the other?
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Because I feel like there I don't remember one song changing from the other
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all that much. It felt like it was just like the a continuous soundtrack
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of the same kind of music from
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Second to minute to minute.
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There w there were some applause breaks,
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b begrudgingly to some of us. ~
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Mm.
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They had time at least.
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But there were some there
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were some that just like went straight into the scene,
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which honestly I just appreciate.
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I think the honestly the appla applause breaks is what made everything slow down.
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Like it made the show feel slow.
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~ because when you only have like a two to three minute song
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and you're clapping after every other one,
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it it takes forever. but there were some
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moments where
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we would draw right into the next scene the next scene,
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but then that would draw right into the next song.
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So a little bit of both, I guess.
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Sure. There is one other piece to the music I do want to call out because
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I do think it was kind of cool because it did relate to the movie.
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But like everybody knows the meme scene from the movie of what do you want?
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You know, where he's just he's yelling at Allie,
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What do you want? And she says,
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I don't know. And the fact that they did that in one of the songs made me chuckle.
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And I don't think it was supposed to make me chuckle,
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but I definitely laughed and said,
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~ a call back to the movie, which is pretty cool.
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~ but it was like doing a really intense scene as well.
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So I don't know if that's like a it's a positive for it or a negative for it,
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but I feel like I wasn't the only one laughing as well.
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There was other people around me that were also chuckling to that.
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So I feel like maybe that's what was supposed to be happening.
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~ which was the only other piece of the musical music at all that was standout
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to me was that piece of that was a callback.
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Yeah,
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yeah. I mean, gosh, a even as I was kind of ~ creating some social content around
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this, when I was looking up certain sounds,
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like that is the one like when you look the notebook up,
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Ha ha.
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like
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every single thing is just him speaking those lines.
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And so of course, yeah, they have to have it ~ reframed i in the show,
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but
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again, didn't didn't
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Yeah.
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hit I think as powerfully as maybe in the book and or movie.
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So think speaking of things I hit,
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I do want to go right back to my days.
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RJ, if this was the song that defined the show,
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does it live up to the hype? Does it meet the the needs that you need
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for a Broadway show to feel powerful,
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showcasey? Like, do you think that this is like do you think like maybe this
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is why the show itself didn't have as long as a life?
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I'm asking you a lot here on on one song,
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but like do you know what I mean?
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Well and
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So our performance of my days.
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I'm why am I blinking on the actress's name right now?
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~
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Are you talking
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about her going flat?
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She didn't go flat, she or she did crack like at the very,
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very beginning of my days, and I immediately was like,
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~ no. Cause we've all been there.
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If you're a performer, you know shit can just happen on stage.
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Like the air could be too dry.
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You you're tired, your voice is tired,
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you just you it slips in and out.
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And most people probably didn't hear it,
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but but if you have a musical ear,
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you you did. And
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So I immediately tensed in my seat because I was like,
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my God, it's only the beginning of this song.
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I know where this song goes. She's gonna have to,
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we are buckling up. Like, and at that point,
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I'm just have my fingers crossed for any performer in that situation because
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I know the expectations of the audience are so high.
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And so thankfully, she did props to her.
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She got through it. However, I do think it maybe wasn't her best performance.
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Performance of this song. And so that was kind of in the back of my head when
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I think about okay, if My Days is the kind of framework for the show,
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it it doesn't help. ~ because part of
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me was like stressed for her, and the other part of me was like,
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mmm, that didn't hit as hard as I thought it would.
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~ but also incredibly
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Incredibly
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predictable. Like you mentioned earlier,
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coming down front, center stage.
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There was, and we'll get into this when we talk about the staging
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and design and such, but everything felt very like I could see
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the lighting cues every single time there was a cue because they were just
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so it felt robotic. And so it then made the acting and the singing feel
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a little bit that way as well.
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Like when I was watching her walk to let's say stage left.
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And then just a split second behind her walking,
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the lighting would then go stage left.
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It was like we're either like not right on the lighting cues,
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or obviously the show's a little bit newer to tour.
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Maybe they're just still not in sync.
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But it it was distracting, is my point in all of that.
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And so I don't know, my days. It was still v i it's an incredible song.
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~ it's incredibly hard to sing.
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And so I give mad props to anyone performing it,
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but it mm debatable.
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I am going to just throw this in there for anybody who's listening.
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This is a a new cast, year two cast,
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and their first show was their first show ever performing was the night before ours.
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We were only the second time they've ever performed on stage in front
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of an audience. And so it is possible that they were working out a lot of the kinks.
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~ so I just want
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Yeah, very green.
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I just want to throw that out there.
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Like it was like the they're brand new.
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They are fresh to this. That being said.
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This is where I go back to the story a little bit.
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I'm sorry to bring it back to this because I'm gonna harp on this to no end.
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This song is at the wrong place.
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So, this song, she sings it,
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and then she still goes back to the train station and then she runs away
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and comes back to him weeks later.
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This should have been the moment that the woman says,
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Thank you for coming. we hope you have a good day at the train station.
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She's standing there on the train station.
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It should have started in that moment.
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And it should have taken her back to Noah.
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And I think that was the emotional piece of the song that is actually missing.
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Her staying in the middle of it felt very much like ~ Audra in ~ Gypsy.
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You know what mean? Standing there just kind of singing a ballot,
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and I get that. But if you would have put that in a moment where she's like like
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she's hustling back to Noah, and even if she would have cracked,
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you would have understood because the emotional piece was she's making
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it back to her guy, she's made the decision.
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She doesn't want to live her days in a relationship she's unhappy with
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in a family that doesn't recognize her.
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I think psychologically that makes the most sense and that's where
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it should have went. And that's why I think that this song isn't
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the emotional crux that it that the Notebook wants it to be.
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Yeah, the end of the show timing-wise,
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~ like scene-wise, made little to no sense to me.
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And and I totally agree. and maybe that's why it was so hard to follow.
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I was like, because we have that song.
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Then yeah, you have the scene with her going leaving,
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but you don't know where she's leaving to or how long she's leaving for.
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And then the show base it just ends,
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basically.
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You
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have the finale. ~
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Yeah.
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and so yeah, it was just it felt very abrupt.
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I remember thinking, wait, like that this is the last song.
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Yeah.
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There was no there's no like redemption arc,
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there's no which I know like in the movie too,
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I don't know, I feel like you get more time.
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And in this we didn't
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Yeah, no, I think that we are missing a piece of the story.
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Why the show it was less than two hours is astounding to me.
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~ I mean, I guess it's a little it's about two hours.
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We're I feel like we're missing that half an hour that would have made
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it all better. And then when you think about the stagecraft of the show,
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too. You mentioned the lighting.
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Yeah, the lighting was very obvious,
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but also the set itself was not doing much for me.
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You couldn't really
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I could kind you could kind of see them.
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Like if you're up front near us,
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you could see that they're skipping on stones at the top.
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I'm sure it's better when you're on the balcony or mezzanine at the very front
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of the stage. But there's not a lot going on.
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There's like the porch that comes becomes a train station.
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There's a porch that becomes, you know,
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~ a porch, I guess. You know what I mean?
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Like there's not much else besides the the the coolest part of the
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set was the facility that older Ali and older Noah live at and it rolls in and out.
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of the stage, like backwards and forwards.
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Other than that, I didn't feel like there was really much going on visually
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to look at, which I feel like maybe is the piece of this show that's also missing.
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Totally agree. ~ I think that they were really hoping that the
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the modernization of the lights,
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the the hanging lights, would give more energy to the set.
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I don't think it did at all. I think it was just added glowy things.
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~ and yeah,
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Which was your same complaint
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the the
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about ~ a beautiful noise with the with the memory show and the glowing lights,
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and you're like, it adds nothing to the show.
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Yeah, it's just and I get like maybe it's maybe it's a budget constraint,
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maybe it's a you know, maybe there's something creatively that I'm just missing.
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I I tr I get what it was doing,
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but I it wasn't doing enough to to make up for I just there there has to
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be a strong part of the show that carries the show.
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And I think that's it just was missing.
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It wasn't the music. Obviously there's like little to no choreo,
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so it wasn't the choreo.
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The costumes are everyday clothes,
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so it wasn't the costumes. And it wasn't the set.
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There was it was just yeah, we're at a dock for ninety percent of the show,
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and the other part
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Yeah.
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were in a facility in a bed. And that's I don't know,
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it felt very kind of old timey set too,
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just in the way that things were brought on and off and everything about it.
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It was
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I and don't ask me like what I would have done instead,
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because I have no idea. I realize that the that sets are limited
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and the the physicality of a show is limited,
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but it was leaving almost too much to the imagination,
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I would say. Even like when we got to the the our house,
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I wasn't impressed. I wasn't impressed at all with the house.
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Yeah.
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And they kept saying, like, ~ it's so pretty,
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and I'm like,
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No?
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Yeah, to give you an idea, listeners,
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it's literally just like a banister porch with like a door and a
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few windows come down that you have to imagine what the like the facade
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of the house looks like. Like you don't get any idea of like what
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the house actually looks like at all.
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Well in the facade I and I'm trying to remember from the movie,
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I could be totally off. I know that he's obviously like not rich.
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So I mean, I guess he he maybe couldn't have made it more grand.
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But I was just looking at that.
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I'm like, it's not appealing as a house.
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Like you you're putting this on the front of a magazine or ~ newspaper
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and saying like it's gorgeous and he did such a good job,
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but like even the banister was just like a flat
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banister. Like it wasn't
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Yeah.
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even like that had design on it.
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~ and I don't know anything about lumber,
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but I don't know. I just those small,
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small details. If you're gonna only give me a banister and a door,
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can we make it something?
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Yeah, I mean but as an expert of wood.
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No, I'm just even the even the piece where ~ she's touching
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the table and she's like like acting like it was the most sexy table she'd ever seen
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in her life. And I was just like,
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that table is just a basic table.
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Like I have it I have a table that I paid for that's hand carved
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and it's more impressive than you know what I mean?
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Like it's just like nothing felt
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Like if he spent all of his love and his time to like bring her back to this house,
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even if he had no money, you're carving that wood and it's literally just like it's
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a block of wood. That's a leg.
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There's nothing else to go with it.
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Yeah, and I just I looked up the house from the movie.
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and it's pretty. I mean, like ~ I don't know.
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It just even maybe the lighting wasn't helping because the house is blue.
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So everything was dark. Ev and everything was blue,
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right? Her costumes were blue,
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much of the lighting in the set was blue because they were around water,
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and then the house was blue, and so it was just like almost an overload.
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And I guess the
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The interior of the house we only get like one scene in the kitchen,
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right? And it is a basic it is a basic table.
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but again,
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yeah, that and that was a bizarre that scene was bizarre too,
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~ in regards
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Yes.
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to like the sex sexualization of a table.
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I was like, not sure that this was needed,
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but okay.
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Yeah, no, that whole scene was very it felt very,
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for lack of better terms, cringy.
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Like I was just like, ooh, I'm really uncomfortable.
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This is like you're like, you're rubbing this table and I know what you're going
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for, but you didn't have to go for it this way.
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Like you did not have to deliver it that way.
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~ it feels like all of their money went into doing the rain scene.
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That was you could have done something differently.
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Like I I they wanted their out their outsiders moment with the rain scene,
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and then like they got it, and like,
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you know, that's where the budget went.
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Thousand percent. I mean, you know,
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can't can't do the notebook without rain.
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And that was s ~
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It is impressive.
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you know, it it was very clearly ~ built differently than the outsiders one was.
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like a flat sheet,
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I felt like, because you could tell you could also tell that she was supposed
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to be standing just a little bit more ~
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Yes.
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a little further back and so the rain just only was hitting her on her shoulder.
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And again, like this cast new.
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I've only done it, you know, in rehearsal,
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not even with the full set. And I was like,
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girl, please just take a slight step back.
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Just a small step. because I'm like,
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my God, like how her wig's gonna get wet,
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her costume, which like it is supposed to get a little bit wet,
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but I don't know. That was just that was a moment.
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Yeah. It was it was it was cool to see that come to life.
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~ and it's like it is like a true like romantic comedy moment or like a
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rom kind of like a like any kind of romance story.
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Like you have to have a scene in the rain,
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right? Like it harkens back to what you really want.
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But truthfully, it just was like they're wearing the same fourteen color
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clothing. I mean, I guess we have to talk about the costumes real quick too.
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There's so many costume changes,
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but they're all exactly the same and how they're so different and you have
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to change so much is also just a problem.
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~ like love to dear I love the show dearly.
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~ well I love the movie dearly,
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but every outfit she wore was blue and it was almost the exact same blue
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and it was almost the exact same dress.
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It was a what like there was nothing to really differentiate
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or variate visually from this one.
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But I guess people got their rain moment,
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so like they're gonna be happy.
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Yeah, and and that is also why the timeline piece,
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like we spoke about in our previous episode,
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was hard to follow because you're just like and we were like ten rows back from
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the front. And I was still like,
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is that the same dress? Is it a different dress?
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what's going on?
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Like we we chose to make a a wig switch h like here,
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but not there. I it was yeah.
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Some some choices were made.
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For sure. So it does beg to differ as we're getting into our final discussion here.
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Is does the stage adaptation justify telling the notebook once again?
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And I would say probably not.
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not. I mean, for people who just like to see the notebook to
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Like this is not what I'm gonna line up to go see again.
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see it, then they're they're they're gonna see it.
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If if you like like many of the shows,
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if you like the thing, right? If if you're like I could watch the notebook
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ten times over, you're gonna love this.
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You're gonna love it. if you've seen the notebook one time because it was
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a fad way back when and you have no real context of
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what it is now, you'll you'll probably be like,
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help me remember how this is supposed to go because the show isn't helping you.
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For sure. Absolutely. And I do think that like there is a time and a place for this.
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This is not this is a show that I'm actually really glad we didn't see in New York,
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that we didn't waste time seeing.
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~ and not that it's a waste of time.
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I'm really glad I got to see the notebook.
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People who love the movie and love the novel are probably gonna love the show.
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There's no denying that you are gonna probably get tiered up unless you don't have
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a connection like I do, which I didn't get teared up,
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you know, about it.
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I would say that if I had an option,
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I'm gonna see the movie. It's just as good.
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It's probably done a little bit better.
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~ and I don't have to invest a lot of money to see the show.
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But that's also because I've already seen the show once.
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And so do I recommend people seeing it at least once?
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Yeah, for sure.
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Yeah, same. I mean this would be something if it comes around again I
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I don't need to line up to go see it.
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~
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We came, we saw, we conquered.
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We're done.
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The the music
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doesn't add anything for me. Same thing.
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I kind of actually want to go back now and watch the movie to kind of compare
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~ I mean, my, you know, fifteen-year-old brain,
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~ then the show, and now my 30-year-old brain,
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~ to make those kind of comparisons.
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But I yeah. Nothing
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For sure.
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nothing's drawing me back.
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So while the notebook has spent decades asking whether love can survive time,
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distance, and memory, on stage the questions get even more complicated because
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young, middle, and older versions of these characters can exist together right
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in front of us. So if you've seen the notebook at the Fisher Theater
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or somewhere else on Twoware, we want to hear from you.
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