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Shelly Hanson speaks on Neuroplasticity with Armor of God & False Armor & Her Story · Pursuing the Heart

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  SPEAKER_01: Hello, this is uh Scott with uh Pursuing the Heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, God pursued you, now we pursue him, and uh thank you for uh listening to this evening.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh hopefully you like, subscribe, and share.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh we have a great guest on tonight.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, her name is Shelly Hansen, happens to be Chris Hansen's wife, who was on here a couple weeks ago, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Chris, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Shelly?
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes, he was.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes, he was.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, so Chris uh and I had been talking, we were on team together at uh for Kairos, and um, so I had mentioned maybe I could bring you on, Shelly, and talk about what you do.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so just before we get into what you do and some scripture, tell us a little bit about yourself.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I am married to Chris.
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  SPEAKER_03: We've been married, we did the math before.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was 22 years that we've been married.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we have six children together.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um his, mine, and ours.
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  SPEAKER_03: Two were his, two were mine, and we had two together.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Four of them are out of the house, which gave us four grandchildren, one on the way.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_03: Congrats.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, thank you, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then we have two left at home that are 16 and 13.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we have no kids in our house.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're all gone.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow, and we have four grandkids.
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  SPEAKER_03: Love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have not, we don't have a fifth on the way.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, we're we're winning.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: You're winning there.
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  SPEAKER_03: We win.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, all right.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've got three girls, one uh well, three granddaughters and one grandson.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there you go.
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  SPEAKER_03: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they're they're bundles of joy.
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  SPEAKER_01: We get to spoil them and send them home.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's what I get to do.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I love it so much.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right?
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  SPEAKER_03: I love it so much.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you live in Newcastle.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, you bet were you raised in Newcastle?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_03: Born and raised in Newcastle, yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you met Chris in Newcastle.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: I met Chris at church right after I got saved.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I got saved in 2003.
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  SPEAKER_10: Oh, wow.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I met him at church.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I got saved from my wild life, which we can talk about if you want or not.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, nice.
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  SPEAKER_03: But um, I was I was running from everything, God pretty hard until he saved me.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was into addiction and all of the things part of my past.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then when the Lord finally just arrested me, like literally arrested me, I was arrested by the police.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um, it was actually in jail that I had an encounter where I just knew that my life had to change.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I came to church like a few days later, and I encountered the love of God, and it was amazing.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then just a few months later is when I met Chris.
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  SPEAKER_01: So at the same church you attend to now?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh no, the very same one.
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  SPEAKER_01: So people can meet other people in Newcastle, Indiana.
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  SPEAKER_03: You can.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's one good thing coming out of this podcast that now I can take heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is people are meeting good people in Newcastle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: So do you want to know a funny story too about why I chose Chris?
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  SPEAKER_03: Actually, I feel like I know it was the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so there's that.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Papa Smurf beard.
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  SPEAKER_03: Listen, you should have seen him in 2003.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Piercings everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did not know about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: He was, he had all of them everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I had just come out of the wild, crazy life, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I was thinking to myself, I like, I want, I want a rough guy that loves Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Loves Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_03: And he definitely loves Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_03: He definitely loves Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it was so funny.
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  SPEAKER_03: I it was just anyway, but it was also the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_03: I did feel like the Lord spoke to me and nice.
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  SPEAKER_03: I had it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I had a knowing that he was the one.
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  SPEAKER_03: But okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so uh asked you to come on to talk about what you do, yes, um, with individuals and people and helping them go through situations and pointing them um through mind recovery.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh so before we get into that, um, can you open up in prayer?
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  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, Father God, we come to you in the name of Jesus and we just ask that your Holy Spirit would be present.
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  SPEAKER_03: We just ask that our words would be of you.
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  SPEAKER_03: We ask that your presence would be with us.
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  SPEAKER_03: We ask that everyone that hears this podcast to be blessed, to be encouraged, to be built up and to grow closer to you.
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  SPEAKER_03: In Jesus' name.
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  SPEAKER_03: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, um, Shelly, yes, uh, tell us uh what you do and how that works with the spirit world, scripture, yes, and and and how you try to transform people's lives.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I I am, I guess, technically called a brain rewiring coach.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and that's just a fancy term for um helping people renew their mind according to Romans 12, 2.
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  SPEAKER_10: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the way I I got into this, can I share a little bit of that?
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  SPEAKER_03: How I got into this?
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  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, go right ahead.
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  SPEAKER_03: So as I said before, I when I got saved in 2003, I had come out of a really, really hard time.
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  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: I had been through a lot of trauma.
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  SPEAKER_03: I experienced a lot of depression and anxiety growing up.
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  SPEAKER_03: So mental health issues has always been something that has chased me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so addiction, the addiction that I turned to from age 18 to 25, you know, that was me crying out for help, trying to answer the problem of mental health, you know, um, like a poor mental health of anxiety is really what I was looking for.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was trying to come out of depression.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was trying to get rid of anxiety.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I went down the path of addiction.
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  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it was really self-medicating, is what it was.
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  SPEAKER_03: And when I found the Lord, so much of that healed in me.
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  SPEAKER_03: I I found the well, the Lord found me.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I was, I was rescued out of that deep darkness.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I I still, so I was delivered from the dark parts, you know, but I still struggled with anxiety and depression.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so throughout my walk with the Lord, I was always fascinated with mind renewal.
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  SPEAKER_03: I always wanted to know is there a way to get free from this anxiety?
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  SPEAKER_03: Is there a way to get free from this depression?
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  SPEAKER_03: And back then, honestly, we in 2005, anxiety was not a buzzword.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not really.
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  SPEAKER_03: I really didn't even know what was happening.
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  SPEAKER_03: All I knew is I was, I was tormented on the inside.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was, I was never fully at peace.
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  SPEAKER_03: I didn't know how to experience joy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, your anxiety and all that, did you could you pinpoint it from something in the past or at the time, no?
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: At that time, no, but it was definitely pinpointed to things, the the traumatic events from my past.
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  SPEAKER_10: Past trauma.
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  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: So my my church has always tried to pursue like emotional healing and mind renewal.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so we started, my friend and I actually started um looking into things like theophostics, which is like um, it's a prayer ministry of helping people say that word again.
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  SPEAKER_03: Theophostics.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: They don't call it that anymore because people always was they considered it like woo-woo.
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  SPEAKER_03: What does that mean?
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, theo just means light, and no, theo means God, phostic means light.
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  SPEAKER_03: It just means God's light.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so, but it was a it was a prayer ministry that taught you how to process um past memories of trauma and how to bring Jesus into it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it was um it was discovered actually by a man named Ed Smith who was a Southern Baptist um counselor, okay, and he was wasn't seeing any results in his practice.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so he's like, There has to be something better.
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  SPEAKER_03: And one day he just said, What do you think Jesus would say about that?
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  SPEAKER_03: Will you invite Jesus into this moment?
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  SPEAKER_03: And God showed up and it was very beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so that's what we studied first.
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  SPEAKER_03: We went after that, and um, then we got into some different types of um emotional healing and deliverance ministries, and all those were excellent, restoring the foundations, things like that we got certified in.
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  SPEAKER_03: So this was like 10 years of my friend and I practicing on each other how to heal from the stuff that we had both been through.
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  SPEAKER_10: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so um, we started a ministry in our church, or she started the ministry in our church.
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  SPEAKER_03: I just helped her.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so that's that's kind of the foundation of it is that I understood that I've been through some stuff and God wants to heal it.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's um Psalm 147.3 that says he heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I knew that God wanted to heal the stuff that I had been through.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you went through this process for 10 years.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and and I was I was doing well.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, and but I did notice that I was struggling with joy.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was struggling with, you know, when in James it talks about how when you go through trials, count it all joy when you go through trials.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I was like, nah, how about we just take the trials away so that I can experience joy?
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  SPEAKER_01: Paul would say, enjoy your suffering.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so and I I never under, I would try to understand it, but suffering to me felt like punishment.
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  SPEAKER_03: Suffering felt like trials felt like punishment.
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  SPEAKER_03: Trials felt like I'm inadequate to get through it, I don't know how to make it through, and I couldn't experience joy at the same time I was experiencing a trial.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and I had my waxes and wanes, you know, ups and downs throughout the years.
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  SPEAKER_03: But it wasn't until about 2019 I was doing ministry.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was in ministry, I was a youth pastor, and and um that I started crashing and burning emotionally.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and my health crashed and burned.
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  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And because I'm doing ministry and I'm loving God and I'm doing all the things for the Lord, and I feel like I'm doing everything right, but my mental health is spiraling.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because I'm realizing that I'm having conflicts with people, and not everybody likes me the way I thought that they did.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you know, I'm a people pleaser, and when you're not pleasing the people, then you start to, you know, get discombobulated on the inside.
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  SPEAKER_03: And around the same time, a few years earlier, we had given birth to our son who is now 13, but he was diagnosed with autism when he was two.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so that stressor in our lives was also causing, was causing chaos.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I was confused.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so my mental health began crashing again.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, what is happening?
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  SPEAKER_03: So my health was crashing at the same time.
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  SPEAKER_03: My my my mental health was crashing, my physical health was crashing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I was a mess.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, what is going on?
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  SPEAKER_03: So I began, I was like, there's something more.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's more to this that I need to understand.
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  SPEAKER_03: I want to understand the brain.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it started with studying Caroline Leaf.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you know who she is.
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  SPEAKER_03: She's a brain scientist, and um, she's got- You gotta remember, I'm from Southwest Georgia.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some of these names are I have no clue.
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  SPEAKER_03: No clue.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I started studying her.
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  SPEAKER_03: She's got tons of books out.
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  SPEAKER_03: She's got all things on social media now, all the things.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um, and I was like, oh, there's something to this.
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  SPEAKER_03: She starts talking about neuroplasticity.
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  SPEAKER_03: About and she's a Christian and she's a brain scientist.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: So she is interpreting and she says, everything that I learned in school, I will compare it to the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the Bible is ultimate truth.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so um I start learning about neuroplasticity, which means basically means that your brain can change.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're not stuck in the patterns that you think you're stuck in.
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  SPEAKER_05: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that your brain will move and it will change.
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  SPEAKER_03: You just have to give it the right information.
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  SPEAKER_05: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so when I started learning that, I started getting some more hope.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and I began to study it even more.
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  SPEAKER_03: And in about, I think it was maybe 2021, 22.
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  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it was even 23, doesn't matter.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I, in the midst of this, you know, my my health crashing and my anxiety, because I was waking up at three in the morning with panic attacks.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was, I was, it was really bad.
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  SPEAKER_03: I started reacting to the foods that I was trying to eat.
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  SPEAKER_03: I would have these food reactions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I I was getting sick, and it was just awful.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like, what is going on?
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  SPEAKER_03: Jesus, you have to help me.
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  SPEAKER_03: What is going on?
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I found this Christian brain retraining workshop um course that I could take.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And in the midst of it, I could also receive my certification as a brain rewiring coach if I wanted to.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so do you know who wrote that?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, uh, Brooklyn Hannah is who is the the name of the woman who and it's called Limbic System Rewire is actually how I first kind of got into this because I was like, there has to be hope.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so she just presented this um, you know, all the scriptures and the understanding about our nervous system and all that.
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  SPEAKER_03: So then I started studying the nervous system.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I got book after book after book, and I took course after course and I just started studying.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I started deep diving around 2022 into the nervous system and how the brain is God created the brain, and then how scripture actually backs that up.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so, um, anyway, that's how I got into it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And this is what I do.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if I were to help somebody um with brain retraining, it's basically like somebody that would come to me that is stuck, or somebody who can't experience joy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, I I actually ended up creating some videos for a local recovery center because this will help people in addiction, because a dysregulated nervous system is really what leads people into addiction because they're just trying to solve a problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Chris talked to me about uh normal responses is fear.
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  unknown: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you help me go through those?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the fight, flight, freeze, and fawn.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, go ahead.
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  SPEAKER_01: Say it a little slower for the audience.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, like if something is going wrong in their life, yes, you have res a person can respond this way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes and how many It's an automatic response.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's an automatic response.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so what are the automatic responses?
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  SPEAKER_01: Fight, fight, flight, flight, freeze, freeze, or fawn.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fawn.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you help people come out of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Come out of whatever it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Flight, fright.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep, fight, flight, freeze, fawn.
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  SPEAKER_03: So let me explain it like this.
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  SPEAKER_03: All of us human beings, we are all asking three questions.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now we don't know we're asking it, but it's part of what our nervous system is asking.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: We are asking, am I safe?
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  SPEAKER_03: Is this place safe?
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  SPEAKER_03: Is anybody coming up with guns?
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, is anybody as is it is anything on fire?
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  SPEAKER_03: Our nervous system is asking that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're asking, am I loved?
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  SPEAKER_03: Am I accepted?
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  SPEAKER_03: Am I appreciated?
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  SPEAKER_03: That happens inside relationships.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we're asking, what is my purpose?
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  SPEAKER_01: And if any of those three are not fulfilled, we can't, we have potential for our survival states to kick in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Which are the ones that you said.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_03: And so the fight and flight states, those are the the that would be called the sympathetic nervous system.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_03: And these states were given to us by God to keep us alive when we're in danger.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_03: And the fight and flight state, that's the sympathetic nervous system, and that is the fast moving, fast acting.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: When something bad happens, I am going to move quickly.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_03: I am going to move quickly and solve the problem.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_03: And the freeze and fawn are part of the dorsal vagal state.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_03: And those are the shutdown, that's the shutdown part of our brain.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_03: So they activate when the fight or flight response has either gone on too long and we're exhausted and we've used all the adrenaline and cortisol up.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_03: And it says, okay, well, now just hide.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: Shut down.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: And um that will kick in to try to conserve energy and to try to help us in that way to keep us alive.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_03: And short term, these are good things.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_03: They are they are supposed to help us.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Those are good things.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: Good things short term.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_03: If a bear came in this room, you better believe we want our survival responses to kick us.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: You're probably gonna live.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: I will probably die because you're gonna outrun me.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I and I don't know if I'm gonna like some people say you should curl up and and act dead.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's true or not because I've seen and heard of people doing that and they actually die.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: That would be the flop response.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: Some people believe that there's actually a fifth response, which is flop.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's like collapse.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's not one you teach on.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I I it's confusing as it is, so I try to keep it.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: You can put flop under freeze.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I have a question.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: So we just went through the armor of God in Ephesians.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: In the first part of that, it says stand firm.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Where does that go into what you just talked about?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_03: So because actually I have a whole thing on this, actually.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: So because when we are if we are raised in an environment and if we're in an environment that feels safe, if we're like, I feel safe, I feel loved enough, I feel safe enough, you know, our nervous system does measure safe enough, you know, and then we can operate in the parasympathetic nervous system, which is like um Stephen Poor just calls it the social engagement, which basically means I can access my prefrontal cortex, my prefrontal lobe.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_10: All right.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: And that means I can use logic and I can be creative.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_03: I can problem solve.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: I I I want to engage with people.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: The more you're in your four F's, the more we call them the four Fs, the more you're in your four Fs, the less social you want to be.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: You become more isolated, you're a little more irritated.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: You're not, you don't quite care about relationship as much.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why isolation is bad.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: And so when we are all of us can vacillate in and out of the parasympathetic and the four Fs.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_03: We can vacillate in and out of that.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_03: And that's okay.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: Because we're supposed to kind of come in and out, they're supposed to be useful, you know, at certain times.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_03: And then we come back to a state of rest.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_03: We come back to a state of peace.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_03: Now, if we have experienced a lot of trauma in our life and we don't feel safe, because that number one question is, am I safe?
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_03: When we don't feel safe, those four F's begin to get activated.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: And that seems to be the default that our brain gets into.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_03: We go into, I am constantly on a state of high alert.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_03: I am constantly scanning my environment.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: I never feel at peace with people.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: I never feel like anyone actually genuinely likes me.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: I never feel safe in a relationship.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_03: You see what I'm saying?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: So it can be like physical safety, it can also be emotional safety, can be what causes those to engage.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_03: So when it comes to the armor of God, I believe that part of being in our four F's and in that threat state is that we begin to put on false armor instead of putting on the armor of God.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: So let's talk about that.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's very intriguing.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: You talked to me about that over the phone.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so if we're looking at the armor of God, and you're saying that some people can put on false armor.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we're what maybe this is not the way to go through this, but My mind, this is where I'm like tracking right now.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: So the belt of truth.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: What could and and the in the same verse it says, having put on the breastplate of righteousness.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: And as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Peace is a very important word there.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: In all circumstances, take up the shield of faith, which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one, which I believe that is the thoughts that come to our into our mind.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Those are those flaming darts.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: And in scripture says, hold those thoughts captive.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes we and I can believe one of those lies that are a dart.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: But um, that's a side note.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: So take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God, praying at all times in the spirit.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: So when you say there's false armor, are you saying that each piece, like say, I know what evil does, whatever God means good, they have an alternative to that.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: So you're saying false armor would be maybe that or be the offspring of that.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: God means God sets this, Jesus sets this for us.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Now evil will come back with something similar, but it would be totally wrong.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: So now the belt of truth, is there something in a false armor that that would be so or we don't break it down that way?
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_03: I do break it down that way.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: Now, and it's just my creative mind, honestly.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: So this isn't sure.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_03: You know, this is just me going, okay, and what I've seen in the world.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: And we're just we're just talking.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just asking questions.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm just like, okay, I'm curious.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_03: So, like, for example, the belt of truth, that that truth to me, you know, in that truth is like it's the truth of who God is, and it's the truth of who he says I am.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: And when you think of So before you go there, yeah, the truth that I am, the truth that I am in Christ, yes, like I'm redeemed, I'm whole.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a believer, correct, this applies to you.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_03: Correct.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: If you're not a believer, this would not apply to you.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: But as a believer, that belt of truth would be I'm redeemed, I'm holy, I'm set apart, I'm forgiven.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_09: Yes.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm loved.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_09: Yes.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a child of God.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Or, you know, I am precious in his eyes.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: So those that's the truth.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's the truth.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: And so if we are girding our waist with the truth of who God is and who God says we are, right, right, then we're we're good.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_03: But if we What's the alternative?
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_03: The alternative would be like the the belt of shame or the belt of lies.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: I believe lies about God, I believe lies about myself.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: And the the belt actually, they had they would wear like robes, you know, they had these long, and so the belt actually girded that up.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_03: And so it kept you from tripping.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_03: And so if you are girded with truth and I know who God is, and I know who he says that I am, right?
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's holding us up.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's helping us in those times that we need to know the truth.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_03: But if we have been raised in trauma, if we have been through so much trauma that we begin to believe lies about ourselves, that I'm inadequate, I'm not, I'm I'm an awful person.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I'm never, no one's ever gonna love me.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_03: Jesus died for everyone except for me.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_03: I just kind of like if it was only me, he wouldn't have died for me.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: So if you start to believe in the father of lies, yes, then that's then that truth is going away.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then that's when you start to believe, well, your truth is different than my truth.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Is that right?
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that it's and the reason why I always correlate it with shame too, is because shame hits us here in the gut.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like the way that shame is experienced is physically in the gut.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: So whenever we begin to believe I'm not enough, I've I'm I'm awful, I I'm not loved, I I can't, I can't do enough to make people love me or to please anybody, that begins to be felt right in the gut.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_03: And so that belt of belt of truth is the anecdote for that.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_03: But what we end up doing, and we don't know that we're doing it, obviously.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like we consciously do it, but what we end up doing is we wear the belt of lies.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: We're just walking around wounded and emotionally in unrest, and we're just believing these lies, and that's girding us up.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: And the spirit can help you if you are maturing in your faith.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you can listen to the spirit and it can guide you to the truth.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, absolutely, yes.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: So the the next part of that would be the breastplate of righteousness.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_03: So it's the breastplate of self-righteousness.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: It is, yes.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_03: And they the the breastplate covers the heart.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_03: And so self-righteousness is I have to work to achieve righteousness.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_03: I have to work to achieve love.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_03: I it's not freely given, I have to work for it.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_03: And so you have to earn it.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: I have to earn it, yes.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_03: And so that work performance mentality can begin to be put on.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like, well, I know, I mean, I know that Jesus saved me.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um and it was free, but I should, I should perform, I should do, I should do.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_03: And again, we do out of love for him, right?
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_03: We do obey the Lord out of love for him, right?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but not for his acceptance.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_03: You know, because that's already that's a free gift.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: And so so anyway, so there's the belt of the breastplate of self-righteousness that sits on us, and um, it puts us into this performance mode, which I would call like flight energy.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_03: It puts us into flight because we're, I gotta work, work, work, work, work.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Fight.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_03: Not fight, usually flight.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Fight.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then the next piece of that would be the shoes of readiness of peace.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Of given the by the gospel of peace.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: So what does that look like?
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: So that would be the readiness for the gospel of chaos.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_03: It would be like when we when we are running around trying to, you know, work, work, work, work, work, trying to make things happen.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_03: There's chaos all around us.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't like chaos.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: I hate chaos.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: So are you saying people there are people that love chaos?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Thrive on chaos.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: That love chaos?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, and chaos just follows it.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so are they causing chaos or are they whenever they because I've heard this, whenever someone enters the room, it just becomes chaos.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that that's actually from their dysregulated nervous system.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_03: So their dysregulated nervous system is chaotic, and you can just feel that presence when someone comes in.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: I know one particular person I'm not going to mention.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: That is that's them.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: So they come in the room, they bring chaos with them.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then they become the center of attention.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: Or, you know, or just, I mean, sometimes it just no.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_03: But it's yes.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: So so when you're wearing that false armor, you're it's it's really a protective mechanism.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so you're saying the armor then feeds off of the other armor?
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_03: Because then the next one is what the shield of faith.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_03: And so what we hide behind then is fear.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_03: We hide behind fear.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: And because a lot of times anxiety, anxiety is I'm trying to stay away from danger.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: And if I just embrace fear and I say, Well, this might happen and that might happen, and what if that happens, and what if that happens, we begin to just hide behind that shield of fear instead of hiding behind the shield of faith.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: So when God declared Abraham righteous was because of his faith.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, it's linked to, yes.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: So, and in Romans four, it talks about how our faith is because of our faith, we're declared righteous.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: So similar there, right?
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: So you got the breastplate of righteousness, but it's the shield of faith.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_09: Yes, the shield of faith.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then the next one would be take the helmet of salvation.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_03: So that word salvation means saved, healed, and delivered.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: And so you want to explain that?
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's just in the Greek, it's the word sozo.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_03: And so it means saved, healed, and delivered.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_03: So saved, obviously saved from hell, saved into Christ and healed.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_03: Healed, you know, and um and then delivered, delivered from the hands of the enemy.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_03: And so I believe that if when we are when we are just in absolute, you know, chaos.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: And when we're wounded and when we're hurt, I believe we put on the helmet of condemnation.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_03: And we're just wearing, you know, just full of shame.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: We're in that victim mindset.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: So we don't live out of Romans 8:1.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_03: We're living in that place of defeat, that place of victimhood, that place of um just I'm never gonna get better.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'm stuck like this.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: There's something wrong with me.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: And and just living in the chaos of what's going on in their minds.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: So at that moment, if you're feeling condemned or whatever, you can feed yourself Romans 8.1.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, absolutely.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because then the next part is the sword of the spirit.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: Sword of the spirit.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Which is the word of God, right?
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: So if you know the word, you can feed yourself the word or the spirit can prompt you.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: I you know, in Romans it talks about there is no condemnation.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: Because otherwise, the sword that we use instead of the sword of the spirit is the sword of the flesh.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_03: And that's when we cut people with our words.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_10: Yes.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_03: And with our actions.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: And we bring harm, you know.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: So if I cut somebody off on the interstate, that's the sword of flesh.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's the sword of the flesh.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_03: You're using your false armor.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want you on here talking about that.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_03: But it's it's our protective mechanism.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what it's so anytime we feel unsafe in a situation, our brain is going to want to protect us.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: The job of our nervous system is protection.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_03: It is protection.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_03: And so anytime we're feeling unsafe, our brain is going, what's going to make Scott feel safe?
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_03: What's going to make Shelly feel safe?
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: And this is how people get into addictive behaviors or other, you know, thoughts that you can't control.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_03: Because our brain genuinely thinks it's helping.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_03: It thinks, oh, she needs comfort.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_03: She should think this thought right now.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_03: He needs comfort.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I'm just trying to help.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just trying to keep you safe.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to keep you comforted.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_03: And that's why our mind needs renewed, because we need to bring comfort that aligns with the word of God.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_03: And we need to bring safety that aligns with the word of God.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: And um, and so that that's why we're we're trying to do that.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_03: But our nervous system's job is to just keep us safe.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: So when you are assisting people through recovery or say deliverance, yes, all this ties into what you do then.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_09: Yes, yes.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: And where in that process um do you they know that you're basing this from Jesus God, right?
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: And pointing everything back to that.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: So then you incorporate scripture throughout the process then, or yes, how do you how does that look like?
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_03: So I so I will uh I will tell you.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_03: So I've done two different classes called Joy Revival.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_03: And um, like I had two cool cohorts of people going through it.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_03: And the first class that I did, I tried to keep it neutral, you know, I tried to kind of just present the science and give, but with the disclaimer that everyone knows that listen, I'm a Christian and everything comes through my Christian lens.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but you don't have to be a Christian to go through my class, which is still true today.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: But I I attempted to try to make it like an evangelistic tool, you know, so that anybody could come and if if they found Jesus in it, then then great.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_03: But I realized that that's just not who I am.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like I listen, I'm an evangelist through and through, but I am not gonna, I can't not link it to scripture.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_03: So my the second cohort that I did, I was like, okay, this is who I am.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_03: This is linked to scripture, this is how God wants us to live.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_03: This is part of, you know, living an abundant life in Jesus.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: This is part of, you know, all of that.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_03: And so I would explain to people, because this is my business, but I would explain to people look, this is a Christ-centered brain rewiring.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_03: This is what you get.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_03: And if this is not what you signed up for, then you can get a refund.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then are you working with people right now?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_03: So right now I'm on a little hiatus right now.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because I am focusing on Truman right now.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: I'm focusing on my son, my 13-year-old son with autism.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_03: He was starting to have some struggles this summer and some behaviors that we were like, hmm, what's happening here?
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_03: And so I'm homeschooling him and focusing on him, but he's actually getting so much better.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_03: And so I've actually been thinking about, I still have my website up and my course can still be purchased on you know, on my website, and I still have time slots open to meet with people.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just not pushing it.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not, you know.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh Chris said you have a website, is that correct?
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: What is that?
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's prosperingmindandbody.com.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: And um so, and it's all based on Romans 12 2, and it's um the renewal of the mind.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's Romans 12 2, yes, and then 3rd John 1 2.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: Third John?
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: 1 2.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_03: So and we can go to either one.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go to 3rd John 1 2.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm I'm using a Bible uh pages, so they're kind of stuck together.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: I know you're using the computer there.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's okay.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: So you already have it.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: So uh do you want to read John third John?
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_03: Third John one, two.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_03: And it's just a prayer that he's praying.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_03: He says, Beloved, I pray that all may go well with you, and that you may go be in good health as it goes well with your soul.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_03: And that word soul is psyche, I think.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_03: So it's not referring to spirit, it's actually referring to the mind.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_03: The the um, you know, our thoughts.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: And so to me, this is a link between that when when it goes well in your health, that it's because it went well with your mind, that there is a link between your mind and your physical health.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_03: And so, um, anyway, so that's that's where I got the name prospering mind and body from.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and then the other one was Romans.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, Romans 12.2.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: 12-2, and it says, Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind that by testing you will be you may discern what is the will of God and what is good and acceptable and perfect.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then you correlate those two together for what you do.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, and and many others too.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's there's so many.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_03: Again, 2 Corinthians 10 5 is also part of it.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_03: We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God and take every thought captive to obey Christ.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: That was where I was saying earlier.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, hold every thought captive.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_03: And that word captive, it actually means to take captive like prisoner of war.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_03: And so I I talk about this in the course because you know, our thoughts.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to think of how much backstory I need to give on this.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_03: Our thoughts are very much influenced by which state we're in.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_03: So if we are in our parasympathetic state, let's say if we are in safety and we're in peace, our thoughts are going to be affected by that.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_03: So if I am in peace, my thoughts will be more peaceful, my thoughts will be more pleasant, my thoughts will be more problem solving.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_03: If I am in my four F's, any of them, any one of them, or a combination of them, that state will influence what kind of thoughts I have.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: So if I am in fight, my thoughts are going to be fight thoughts, right?
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_03: They're going to be angry thoughts.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_03: They're going to be ruminating thoughts.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_03: If I have anxiety, I'm probably in the flight state.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_03: If I feel depressed and I'm and I want to give up, I am likely in the freeze state.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so, and fawn is, and I don't think I explained all of those, the different You're fine.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_03: So, okay, so just don't let me forget where I'm coming back to.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_03: So fight means I run towards the threat.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_03: I, it's an aggressive, you know, like I'm a problem, it's aggressive problem solving, basically.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I run towards the threat.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: Uh flight means I'm running away from threat.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: If something is happening, I need to get away from it somehow.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: And how that practically shows up in our life.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_03: If I'm in fight, that means I'm grumpy.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_03: That means I'm irritable.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_03: That means I'm I'm testy with you.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_03: If I'm in flight, that means I'm moving quickly.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'm dropping things.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_03: I have anxiety because I'm trying to stay in front of the threat.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I think about this with mothers.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_03: We live in flight energy because we are trying to avert disaster all the time.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_03: We're constantly thinking ahead, especially when we have young children.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, is the diaper bag packed?
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_03: Did I pack a snack?
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: Is this gonna happen?
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want my kid to have a meltdown in public, so I need to make sure that I have extra change of clothes and I've got a snack with me and I've got this.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we're constantly trying to avert disaster.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, and we've got practice here, and this is happening, and I have to lay off the chicken for dinner.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_03: And you know what I'm saying?
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_03: We're just constantly in that.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_03: I have to stay in front of disaster.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_03: And to me, it always feels like there's like a black hole that's chasing me, like I'm running away from a bear.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_03: I'm running away from something.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to stay in front of it.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_03: So that's the flight state.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_03: Freeze is our shutdown state.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_03: It is where I'm so overwhelmed that I just glaze over.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_03: I'm paralyzed.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_03: I I don't know what to do.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_03: And and I'm just frozen.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_03: So freeze says, remain still until the threat goes away.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_03: I just hide and the threat's gonna go away.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_03: So procrastination, that's freeze.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_03: Sitting there in your driveway, scrolling for 20 minutes before you walk into the house, that's freeze.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know, things like that is the way that freeze shows up.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_03: And and the the most severity of freeze would be severe depression.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_03: I can't get out of bed.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_03: I can't organize my home.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_03: I can't, I can't, I just can't.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_03: That's freeze.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_03: Fawn is it's the people-pleasing state.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: The belief in fawn is that I have to be a chameleon in order to neutralize the threat.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like I have no hope of escape.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_03: I just have to keep everybody happy so that I remain safe.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's like peace at all cost.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's the fawn.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: And so fawn is all about relationships.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's all about trying to keep relationships and manage relationships and keep them subdued and good and safe.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_03: And are you mad at me?
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_03: I hope you're not mad at me.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want you to be upset with me.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_03: Because if you leave me, then abandonment will actually kill me.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's what we're running away from, okay.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_03: Is abandonment and rejection.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_03: So those are the states that we're in.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_03: And when we are in any of those states, those are going to affect what type of thoughts that we have.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_03: And so I'll bring it back to uh Corinthians uh, what was it, first second Corinthians 10 5.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_03: Take that thought captive into the obedience of Christ.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_03: That word captive means take captive like prisoner of war.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_03: And so what do you do with a prisoner of war?
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: You go, why are you here?
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_03: Where did you come from?
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_03: What are you doing here?
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_03: You interrogate a prisoner of war.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what are the secrets?
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_03: Where'd you come from?
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_03: Because that can actually indicate what is going on on the inside of us, what has been triggered on the inside of us.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: Where that thought might have came from.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_03: Where did that thought come from?
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_03: Why is this happening?
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_03: Why am I so if I'm ruminating on something or I have, even if I have, let's say I have um like a thought of temptation.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_03: Like, let's say that I get tempted to use drugs again, right?
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_03: And the thought comes.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_03: And let's say I pull it down, you know, and I start thinking about it.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_03: Eventually I gotta go, wait, why are you here?
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_03: Where did you come from?
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like you came from nowhere.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't used in 25 years.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_03: Why are you here?
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_03: And so you begin to interrogate that thought and you go, okay, why are you here?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_03: What's going on?
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: And you go, Oh, okay, I know what happened.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_03: I was in, I Was in flight.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_03: I was in flight and I was running around.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_03: And this thing happened.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_03: This person said something to me, and it reminded me of this time in my life when I used to use.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_03: Or I walked into a place and a smell triggered me to that's why certain music.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: If you ever well, from an ex-addic, certain music could trigger like an old thing stored in my brain.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, do you remember when you were listening to this and you were doing XY?
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_03: Listen to this?
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_03: And that's why.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_03: Because our brain is is our nervous system was created to keep us safe.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_03: And so it keeps record and it keeps a log of what we've been through and what we've done.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_03: And so it thinks it's being helpful.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's going, it's going, oh, he's been here before.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_03: He's done this before.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, let me help you.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_03: I've got all these files, all these memories back here.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_03: Let me let it help contribute to you making this decision right now.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_03: And that can work for us in the good because if we have all this evidence in our brain of how God has shown up in a certain situation, when we go through something hard, our brain is going to be like, look at the 10 files we have of how God showed up.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_03: You're going to be fine.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_03: However, a lot of us have a hundred files of tragedy and trauma where things did not go well.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what our brain is pulling down.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_03: So so many times when we are having an overreaction, you know, like your reaction's way up here.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_03: I'll get my hand way up high.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_03: If your hand, your reaction is way up here, but the situation is way down here.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_03: There is no reason for the reaction that we're having, right?
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_05: Overreacting.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_03: Overreacting.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_03: And you know your brain is not just reacting to this moment.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's reacting to all the other times that something similar has happened.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_03: And our brain is going, wait a minute.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_03: I have useful information for this present-day situation.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_03: Let me open up these files for you.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_03: And you can use this to help you.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_03: And it's oftentimes not very helpful because it's full of emotion.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's full of emotion that our body and our mind has remembered.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_03: And so now we're coming at a current situation with a whole lot of emotion that is not necessary for the situation.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_03: But it's got to, we have to do something with it.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's why we then begin to interrogate.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, where did you come from?
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_03: Where are you here?
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_03: And then we can go back and go, okay.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_03: This is you process that.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: As far as whatever event that would be.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's one of the ways that we help.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_01: And get out of that event.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: Is that correct?
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_03: And just to invite the Lord into it, you know?
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like, Lord, where were you when this was going on?
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, even when you don't know the Lord, He's still there.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_03: You know, He's still, and why did I do this?
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_03: And am I going to forgive myself?
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_03: You know, because one of the one of the greatest gifts that I gave to myself was the revelation of knowing that today me would not have made the same decisions that yesterday me made.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: You want to say that again?
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_03: So the greatest gift that I gave myself was believing in believing myself when I said that today me would never do some of the things that yesterday me did.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_03: And just knowing that's really good.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_03: Just knowing that is is like, okay, I can forgive myself because yesterday me didn't know.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_03: Didn't know these certain things.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_03: And yesterday me was so deep in my four F's, was so deep into my survival, and was so lost in a mess of chaos and did the best she could to stay alive and to stay safe.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_03: That she knew how.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_03: And and yes, it looked very selfish.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_03: It looked very selfish in a lot of the decisions that I made.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: Anything else you want to talk about?
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: Do we hit everything?
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_03: I think so.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_03: On that scripture is that we're talking about?
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, or anything else you got you want to talk about?
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um I know we've that was great.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: I loved all that.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: So is there something else you want to do on?
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_03: I I think that that uh I I think probably let me just kind of sum it up like this is that the Lord created us and designed us so uniquely and so beautifully, and he designed us with this nervous system.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_03: And the way that he prescribed the Christian life is so healthy for our brain.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's incre which that makes sense because he is the great physician, right?
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_03: But he prescribed a way of life, you know, like uh is it Philippians 4?
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like, don't be anxious about anything, but instead pray about everything.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_03: He's saying, listen, when you're anxious, pray about it and give it to me.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I know I have the antidote for it.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_03: This is what you do.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_03: And when you when you live your life according to, you know, the way the Lord prescribes it, it's super healthy for our brain.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's just it's just a neat thing to realize like how good God is and how good he is in his creation of us.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_03: And so when you begin to study the science and you realize what's healthy for our brain is really uh the way he intended us to live in the first place.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's just beautiful.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 49:45
  unknown: Yep.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: And one last thing, is there any if you had to encourage say something that might be encouraging the people that might be going through something?
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: Is there something that you can say that be can that would be encouraging to them going through whatever they're going through?
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_03: And that is that there is hope.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_03: There is hope.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_03: So many times I've encountered people who are stuck in addiction.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_03: I've encountered people who are stuck in pornography.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_03: I've encountered people who are stuck in which is also addiction.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um, encounter people who have been stuck in like eating disorders and all of that and ang deep in anxiety.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_03: And the one of the biggest problems is that that they feel like they're stuck.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like I've tried everything.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_03: I've tried everything and I just don't know.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_03: I I can't I can't make this go away.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_03: I can't get better.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_03: And it's realizing that look, there is hope for you.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_03: There is hope for you.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_03: And God has a way out.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_03: He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds, and there is a way out.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_03: Now, do we have to unlearn some things?
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yes.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_03: Is it a process?
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, it takes time.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_03: But our brain is neuroplastic and it can change.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_03: And he sees you and he loves you and he wants to help you, and there is hope.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_03: There is hope.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: So we have some time.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: How did you become a Christian?
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_03: Ah, such a great question.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_03: I desperation.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I don't know why it is that desperation leads me to everything.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_03: So um Okay.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was I'm not your psychiatrist.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I know.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, okay.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: So where's the couch?
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_03: I can just lay back and process this.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_03: So I became a Christian.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_03: I was not raised.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_03: My parents did not raise me in church.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_03: I probably went to church two times in my life, and that was because friends.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_03: I was okay.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_03: Can we talk about anything on here?
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: You can talk whatever you want.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: You're you have open forum.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just whatever you want to talk about is fine.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_03: So it started with the okay, honestly, the first the first introduction that I had to the Lord was when I was 17.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_03: And that was because when I was 17, I got pregnant and I was in high school.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I was worried about talking about.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so uh, I just didn't know if that was legal on here.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_03: You're fine.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_03: I got pregnant when I was 17, and my parents um coerced me into having an abortion.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_03: So I had an abortion that I did not want.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_03: And that was incredibly traumatic for me.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: It can be.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_03: Very much.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_03: It and later it causes a severe wound.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_03: It is, it is a severe wound.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_03: So I had I spiraled into a deep dark depression after that because I didn't know what I wanted, but I knew that that wasn't what I want.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_01: But you did do that.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_03: I did do it.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_03: I did have it more now.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_01: After this, you're now you're dealing with it.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm dealing with the shame of it.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'm dealing with the pain of it.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_03: I'm dealing with the self-hatred.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_03: Because I feel like if I would have fought hard enough, my parents may have changed their mind.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_03: And and they probably would have, because they were, they were good people.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_03: They just didn't know either.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they are both in heaven now, and so they're with my babies.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_03: Oh nice.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_03: And um, so so I was the first kind of encounter that I had with Jesus was right after the abortion, because I was like, okay, I know I'm going to hell.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_03: I know that I'm going to hell.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_03: Because before I could have measured me as a good person, right?
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_03: I could have measured myself as a good person because, you know, I was nice to people.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_03: And I had no idea, you know what I mean?
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_03: So, but I knew, well, if you kill your baby, that's bad.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_03: You're definitely going to hell for that.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_03: So I was scared.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_03: And I went to a guy that I was actually dating, and his dad presented me the gospel.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_03: And he was like, and he, and he explained to me Jesus and the blood of Jesus and all that.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I received Jesus as my savior, but I was never discipled.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_03: I never went to church.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't grow any further than that.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_03: But the depression was still there.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_03: So I spiraled again, right?
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_03: So then I just was just, it was bad.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_03: I just went through eight years of complete addiction because I was not over this abortion and all of that.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_03: I ended up having another abortion in between.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_03: So, um, in between the time, that time and getting saved and this one I chose.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_03: So there were two.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_03: So I had all of this trauma, you know, all of this mothering trauma that that I had been through.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, the first encounter that I had with being a mom, I I aborted that baby.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_03: And then I got married and had another baby, and and then we got divorced, and then that's when I got pregnant again and I had an abortion, and then I got pregnant again, and that child was taken away from DCS when I was pregnant.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I mean, we're I'm telling you, I went through some stuff.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_03: I guess right after I had her.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_03: I just said when I was pregnant.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_03: So right after I had her, she was taken by DCS.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_03: And um because I used when I was pregnant with her.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I mean, the hard decisions that you make back then was I was either going to kill myself or I was gonna use.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_03: And that is the decision that that's this is where I was.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_03: That was the reality of where I was.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_03: So dark, so dark.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_03: And so I was let's see, my daughter was like 11 months old.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_03: She was taken away by DCS, she was back in my custody within three weeks.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_03: So, um, because I followed the rules.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_03: I did get clean and then I didn't.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_03: Like I got DCS out of my hair, and then I went back, right?
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_03: And so I was in jail.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_03: I had been arrested and I was sitting in jail and I was detoxing in jail.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_03: As I was sitting there, is when I had this encounter where I heard this voice on the inside of me and said, You have to stop or you're going to die.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_03: You're either gonna die or spend the rest of your life in prison.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_03: You have to stop.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_03: And I believed that voice.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, this is true.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_03: This is true.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_03: And so when my dad bailed me out of jail when it was time for me to come out, I said, Dad, I need you to watch my daughter.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_03: My son was at his dad's.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_03: I said, I need you to watch my daughter.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna detox.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_03: I just need to, I just need to sweat this out and I'm gonna detox.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_03: And it was about seven days later that I was invited to my church.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_03: And when I I remember thinking, because I was invited by my friend, and I remember thinking, I'm not on drugs anymore, so I'm not gonna burst into flames when I walk in the door.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_03: So it's probably gonna be fine.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember walking in and the music was going, and I just wept.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_03: The presence of God was so thick that I just wept.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_03: And I could feel the love of God on my skin, if that makes sense.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_03: And it was like all the shame that I was wearing because I had so much shame.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, obviously, I just, you know, told all these awful things that I did.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_03: I wore that all the time.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_03: It was constantly just shame.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_03: And I could feel it physically lifting off of me.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I could feel the love of God coming in.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_03: And there was this beautiful divine exchange that was happening.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I was just sobbing and weeping.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_03: And no one had even really, they were singing the name of Jesus, right?
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_03: But nobody like explained to me salvation.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_03: But I had already been explained that back when I was 17, right?
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_03: And so I did understand the concept at this point and I knew what was happening.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_03: I kind of I just knew that I was being made new, right?
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_03: I was being made new, and I could feel it, I could feel my spirit being reborn, the wildest thing.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I left that day like I am, I am never gonna be the same.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I decided that I was going to live my life according to the Bible.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like I had done everything wrong.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I am, I am going to learn and I'm going to follow Jesus, and this is what I'm going to do.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_03: So that's how I got saved.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and this is here's another little funny woo-woo part of this.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so I'm about to bring in some supernatural with it.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_03: Are you ready for this?
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, go right ahead.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_03: That day that I got saved.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_03: Because I had also gotten into witchcraft and all kinds of stuff.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_03: The list of sins were long.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_03: So that day that I came home from church, the day that I got saved, I was sitting there on my couch and I was like, whoa, I'm going to throw up.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_03: It's like I I feel nauseous.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_03: And so I go to the bathroom and I throw up black soot.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like it was like it was black soot.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_03: That's all I can say.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_03: Something evil left my body.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if I got healed of something.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_03: There was some kind of darkness that left me the day that I got saved.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_10: Wow.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_03: The day that I truly surrendered my heart to the Lord.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_10: That's awesome.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_03: And so I'm like, you cannot tell me.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_03: Nobody can tell me that Jesus doesn't exist.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_03: And nobody can tell me that the, you know, that there is no supernatural world.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_03: There God is so amazing and darkness is out there.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_03: For sure.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for sharing.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for coming on.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um thank you for processing the armor of God, uh, thoughts, and um telling us a little bit about what you do.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: And if people wanted to go to your website, which is again uh prospering mindandbody.com.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they can go through there.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_01: They could sign up.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: They can also schedule a time where you can talk to them about whatever trauma they might be going through.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_01: And help them.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_03: They can find me on Facebook too.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_01: You can find you on Facebook, Shelly Hansen.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_03: Shelly, yes.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_01: From Newcastle.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: From Newcastle.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_01: Is there another Shelly Hansen in Newcastle?
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_03: I and I I'm actually I still have my maiden name in the middle just so that people from high school could find me.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like Shelly Thickston Hansen, but I do have a business page too, Prospering Minded Body.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_01: All right, cool.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, well, I hope you enjoyed it.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: I hope you uh liked what we talked about tonight.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: I hope um I just I hope you've listened and had a spurn some other questions.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_01: Feel free to um reach out.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_01: You can email.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: We do have pursuing the heart at gmail.com.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we do also on all the um podcast links, you got fan mail that you can um write in there, and whatever messages that you have for Shelly, I can give that to her.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um so uh if um you have any questions, feel free um through the fan mail or actually through pursuing theheart.com.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_01: I do get those emails.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_01: But uh I hope you liked, subscribe, and share.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_01: And um, Shelly, we do this thing at the end before we sign off.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure if you're familiar with this.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_01: Did Chris tell you what K-Y-E-O-J is?
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_03: Nope.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_01: Keep your eyes on Jesus.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_03: Ah, I like it.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_01: So K-Y-E-O-J.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, keep your eyes on Jesus, and I hope you guys come back uh next week.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I think my wife and I will be starting Philippians.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_01: So um, thank you again, and uh you have an enjoyable evening, enjoyable week.