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Jealous Woman Sets Boyfriend's Home on Fire, texts 'I Hope Your House is Okay' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A young dad and his baby girl left homeless after
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Speaker 1: a fire sweeps through the family residence. But why, I mean,
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Speaker 1: see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation. In series M one eleven.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime Online. Tommy Garray,
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Speaker 1: a single dad of a two year old little girl,
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Speaker 1: is excited as he begins a new relationship. Thinks seem
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Speaker 1: to be going Garay's way. He's living in a home
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Speaker 1: that's been in his family for generations. Garray grew up
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Speaker 1: in the home, as did his father before him. But
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Speaker 1: then the call comes in that his home is on fire.
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Speaker 1: The fire department is called, but everything is lost. Gray
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Speaker 1: says his daughter's clothes, shoes, toys were damaged in the fire.
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Speaker 1: No one is injured, but the family is now homeless.
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Speaker 1: The property damage is value you did more than fifty
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars most of all, Grace says, it's been very traumatizing,
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Speaker 1: especially for his daughter to keep asking why can't we
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Speaker 1: go home? A young dad with a baby girl wondering
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Speaker 1: why she can't go home. It's because a fire spread
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Speaker 1: through the family home, claiming every single thing they owned.
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Speaker 1: They escaped with their lives. They managed not to get
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Speaker 1: burned alive or suffer smoke inhalation until they died. But
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Speaker 1: everything they own, every possession, baby shoes, photo albums, the
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Speaker 1: baby's toys, everything gone. And now we learn Arson again.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace and this is Crime Stories. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: being with us, with me an all star panel. But
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Speaker 1: first I want to go to Dave mac Crime on
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Speaker 1: one dot com investigative reporter. Tell me about the fire itself.
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Speaker 1: Dave mac all right, the fire itself began round one
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Speaker 1: forty five in the morning, Nancy, And it started on
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Speaker 1: a couch called on just a second one forty five am. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: Dave mcbet right. There, I'm getting a lot of information
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Speaker 1: one forty five am. As I always told Jerry's nothing
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Speaker 1: good happens after midnight. Some freak is out setting fires
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Speaker 1: at one forty five a m. You know to Nicole
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Speaker 1: brought and joining me, forensic fire medic, Arson expert and
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Speaker 1: author of multiple books, including Principles of als Care. What's
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Speaker 1: the size of your dog? That's determination, obstacles and goals.
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Speaker 1: It goes on and on, Nicole brought Facer being with us,
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Speaker 1: How can authorities immediately tell that this was not an accident,
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Speaker 1: that something on the stove didn't catch fire, that there
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Speaker 1: was not an electrical outlet that suddenly burst into flames.
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Speaker 1: How can they tell there's an arson? Yes man, Thank
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Speaker 1: you so much, Nancy. So there are several ways to
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Speaker 1: determine whether a fire is arson related or just by
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Speaker 1: natural occurrence. A lot of things point to accelerant. Accelerant
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Speaker 1: being used, the location of the fire, the stories didn't
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Speaker 1: people tell of how they know how the fire actually started.
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Speaker 1: A lot of that conversation leads to an investigator to
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Speaker 1: believe whether or not it was an accidental accidentally relate
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Speaker 1: a fire, or this was something that was intentionally set.
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Speaker 1: That's try the arson investigators. The costs have to get
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Speaker 1: on the scene immediately. Jesscott Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Fate, and
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Speaker 1: star of a hit series Bodybags with just Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 1: Just Scott have handled a lot of arsons, and that's
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Speaker 1: a very very tricky kind of case to prove, because
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Speaker 1: first you have to prove there was even a crime.
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Speaker 1: Like when I know when I find somebody stabbed multiple
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Speaker 1: times in the back, that's a murder. Nobody has to
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Speaker 1: explain that. But when you've got an arson, you have
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Speaker 1: to first prove to a jury that a crime occurred,
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Speaker 1: that it was not an accident. Then you have to
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Speaker 1: prove who did it. So there's a whole nother layer
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Speaker 1: of the burden of proof when you are proving an arson. Now,
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Speaker 1: for example, Jo Scott, I will never forget well, I
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Speaker 1: had a lot of arson cases, and I guess sadly
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Speaker 1: is a way to put it. It It became one of
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Speaker 1: my specialties arson prosecutions. I remember one in particular, a
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Speaker 1: millionaire wanted to kill his wife, so he beat her
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Speaker 1: in the head and left her to die in the
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Speaker 1: home and set the mansion on fire. Just as Nicole
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Speaker 1: Brock was just telling us. When the fire department pulled up,
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Speaker 1: they see him across the street in the front store
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Speaker 1: neighbor's lawn, lying all a roman ask propped up okay
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Speaker 1: on one hand under under his head, watching the fire.
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Speaker 1: And I'd like to point out it's about two am.
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Speaker 1: Much like this case. He was fully dressed in pants, shoes, shirt,
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Speaker 1: belt and wallet at two am. And they went, oh,
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Speaker 1: dear lord, okay, you're fine, and about sixty seconds later,
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Speaker 1: a minute or two in he goes, oh, yeah, my
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Speaker 1: wife's in there. Yeah, it's arson. But my point, Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott forensically, when I went and examined the kitchen floor,
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Speaker 1: it looked as if somebody had poured coke on the
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Speaker 1: floor and it dried. You could actually see where the
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Speaker 1: accelerant was poured. It didn't take a genius, for peace sake,
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Speaker 1: just a lawyer, and I can see it right. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily take a genius, but it does take it.
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Speaker 1: It is kind of an art when you begin to
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Speaker 1: examine these scenes and you have to look for things
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Speaker 1: like splash patterns, and that is, if you take accelerant
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Speaker 1: and dump it out over an area, the fire will
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Speaker 1: follow that pattern many times. And also to what Nicole
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Speaker 1: had said earlier, you begin to think about, well, why
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Speaker 1: would a fire in this specific location begin here? You're
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Speaker 1: looking for point of origin if there's no electrical sources
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Speaker 1: or if you don't have evidence at say, for instance,
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Speaker 1: somebody has a Christmas tree set up there, or a
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Speaker 1: bunch of paper set there and somebody pumps a cigarette
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Speaker 1: into it. A little portable heater. Those are the worst, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they really are Jes Scott in the case I just
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Speaker 1: told you about. You know what the defense was. Are
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Speaker 1: you sitting down? You may need to lay down. That
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Speaker 1: the electrical not that even electrical socket, the switch on
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Speaker 1: and off switch for the light just spontaneously burst into fire.
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Speaker 1: That was the defense. Yeah, and that again, if that's
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Speaker 1: what their contention is, that would have been removed and
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Speaker 1: the crime lab would have actually examined that, and you
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Speaker 1: would have people that specialize in arson to do that,
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Speaker 1: to kind of pick that apart. And there's a whole
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Speaker 1: array of things that we can do. You can look
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Speaker 1: at chemical signatures relative to accelerance, you can look at
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Speaker 1: the splash patterns, you can look this is really fascinating
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Speaker 1: to me. Where the most destruction is. It's where the
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Speaker 1: fire started, where it originates. There you go. So back
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Speaker 1: to you, Davey and guys, remember jump in. I've got
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Speaker 1: Matthew Mangino with me, high profile lawyer, former parole board member.
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Speaker 1: Don't like that part executions told author. You know, that's
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Speaker 1: a great book, by the way, Matthew Mangino, listen to
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Speaker 1: this guy's executions told the crimes, arrest trials, appeals, and
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Speaker 1: my favorite part last meals forty six people in the
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Speaker 1: US Okay, and doctor Jorry Crawsen joining US psychologist Professor
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Speaker 1: Saint Leo University, author of Operations Matthew. Before I go
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Speaker 1: on to my next point with Dave Mack about how
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Speaker 1: we know this was Arson, explain how difficult it is
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Speaker 1: to prove an Arson case. I gotta tell you, I
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Speaker 1: love prosecuting Arson's because it was a legal and mental
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Speaker 1: challenge for me. It's not like a dope deal gone bad,
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Speaker 1: you know it, just or burglary or carthaf That takes
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Speaker 1: a lot of analysis and a lot of technique to
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Speaker 1: prove an Arson case. You're dealing with a lot of
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Speaker 1: scientific evidence. Explain, well, yeah, you're right, Nancy, and I
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Speaker 1: would add that in addition to that complicated scientific evidence.
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Speaker 1: A lot of times when I was a prosecutor, we
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Speaker 1: had an arson investigation team as part of our office.
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Speaker 1: And one of the things that was so important was
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Speaker 1: just that old fashioned police work canvassing in neighborhood because,
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Speaker 1: as you mentioned earlier, you know, sometimes people who set
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Speaker 1: fires they like to watch it, they liked they like
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Speaker 1: to see the fire department. They're canvassing a neighborhood to
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Speaker 1: see what people observed before or after this occurred is
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Speaker 1: so important in terms of an arson investigation, along with
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Speaker 1: the very technical analysis that's done to determine whether or not,
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Speaker 1: you know, what the origin of the fire was, what
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Speaker 1: the accelerants were, you know, what were their multiple accelerant areas.
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Speaker 1: There's so many different things. You know, was their forced
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Speaker 1: entry into the home, which is indicative of someone who
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Speaker 1: went in there to start a fire. So there's so
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Speaker 1: many aspects to an arson investigation and ultimately an arson prosecution.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy, Grace, Matthew, and Jena. I'm so
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Speaker 1: glad that you said that. I want to go back
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Speaker 1: to that one of the many arson cases I investigated,
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Speaker 1: but that one I was telling you about when I
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Speaker 1: went into the mansion, what was left of it, you know,
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Speaker 1: largely still intact. I went in and was going from
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Speaker 1: room to room. I wasn't touching anything and looking and
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Speaker 1: I remember going up to the husband's bedroom and I
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Speaker 1: opened pulled the door back with a pen and looked inside.
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Speaker 1: Guess what, there were no suits, not one single suit
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Speaker 1: in there. And this was a very established millionaire, I
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Speaker 1: established businessman in the Atlanta community. I'm like, where are
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Speaker 1: the h double all or his suits? Well, my investigator
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Speaker 1: and I went to every laundry with a five mile radius.
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Speaker 1: It didn't take five miles, by the way, it took
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Speaker 1: two miles. We found that he had taken all of
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Speaker 1: his suits and dress shirts to the laundry to be
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Speaker 1: cleaned about three days before the fire. Then I got
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Speaker 1: to thinking, and I knew he had a warehouse. So
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Speaker 1: we about one am executed a search on the warehouse.
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Speaker 1: Guess what I found there, Matthew Mangino. Trash back after
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Speaker 1: trash back after trashback, full of family photos his family,
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Speaker 1: not his wife's family. I was from the home, all
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Speaker 1: sorts of things taken from the home and stored at
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Speaker 1: the storage unit. I even managed to recover. Well, I
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Speaker 1: didn't do this part. An investigator did it. Found the
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Speaker 1: answer machine and guess what this idiot had done. He
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Speaker 1: was recording his wife talking to her boyfriend. I don't
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Speaker 1: blame her her having a boyfriend. End from what I understood,
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Speaker 1: he would get completely unclosed except for a pair of
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Speaker 1: man's bikini underwear and standing to look at himself in
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Speaker 1: the mirror. I'd leave him too, just like that. But
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Speaker 1: that said, he'd been recording his wife's calls to her boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you, Sidney, are you listening? He recorded
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Speaker 1: himself calling the weather station to find out if it
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Speaker 1: was going to be raining the day of the fire. Also,
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Speaker 1: he recorded himself calling the insurance company and asking them
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Speaker 1: would their insurance policy cover rental furniture any case there
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Speaker 1: was a fire? What a coin kie dink, said Matthew Mangino. Yes,
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Speaker 1: there's extrinsic events beyond the poor pattern. You know you
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Speaker 1: mentioned something else really important. Where the fire starts. That
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Speaker 1: fire started in the kitchen area, but not in any
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Speaker 1: of the appliances, the stove, none of that. It started
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Speaker 1: on the floor, and he could see where the accelerant
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Speaker 1: had been poured and then consumed by fire, left mark
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Speaker 1: on the floor. Dave mc joined me Crime Online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. Back to Tommy Garray and his little
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Speaker 1: baby girl left homeless. Where did this fire start? This
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Speaker 1: fire started on a couch in the living room of
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Speaker 1: the home. Stop right there, Dave, matt Was there a
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Speaker 1: forced entry? Yes, actually there was Nancy in that one
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Speaker 1: five AM nine one one call for help the homeowner
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Speaker 1: that somebody had broken into his house, stole several items
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Speaker 1: and then set the house on fire. Broken and Stole
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Speaker 1: said the house on fire. Okay, wait a minute, I
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Speaker 1: need doctor Jerry crossing on this. Doctor Jerry, as I
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Speaker 1: call him, renowned psychologist, Professor Saint Leo University research consultant
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Speaker 1: and author, doctor Jordy and Nicole brought. I mean, woman, listen,
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Speaker 1: this is not high tea at Windsor Castle. So please
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Speaker 1: jump in lady, doctor Jory. Yes, ma'am George, that somebody
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Speaker 1: breaks in to steal something. Now that's common, that happens
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Speaker 1: every day of burglary, but why set the place on fire.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people will do it just to cover
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Speaker 1: up evidence of a theft, you know. So those are
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Speaker 1: those things that it erases fingerprints to the DNA and
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Speaker 1: you know, things of that for any kind of cameras
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Speaker 1: that are in the room or recording devices. So a
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Speaker 1: lot of people will do that just to go ahead.
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Speaker 1: No, no no, no, nco. Will you finished, doctor Jory with
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Speaker 1: being rude? I know I did call on you like
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Speaker 1: your school teacher. But Nicole, you know I would think
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Speaker 1: of burning down a house, Jackie, when you've committed a murder.
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Speaker 1: But she's right, Nicole brought is right, some people would
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Speaker 1: burn the place down to get rid of evidence of
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Speaker 1: a They must have wanted something really badly to cover
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Speaker 1: up evidence of a theft. I mean, really, you go
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Speaker 1: in and still a TV and the VCR and the laptop,
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Speaker 1: and you burn the whole place down to cover that up.
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Speaker 1: Really do you see that, Nicole Brock I do I
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Speaker 1: see that people fear jail crime, especially if they have
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Speaker 1: a past. They are already you know, criminal, got a
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Speaker 1: criminal history, so this is a way to not link
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Speaker 1: them back to the criminal history that they're familiar with. Well,
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Speaker 1: here's the thing I'm following through your statement, Nicole brought
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Speaker 1: to its logical conclusion. So doctor Jerry crawling crowsing, She's saying,
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Speaker 1: they fear jail time, so they burn the place down.
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Speaker 1: If they fear jail time, why the hey do they
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Speaker 1: break any in to start with? Well, they think they
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Speaker 1: can outsmarting because you know, Arson has a personality different
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Speaker 1: than other criminals, you know, and just like what she
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Speaker 1: was saying, basically, they're hoping to destroy evidence that could
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Speaker 1: link them, like through fingerprints and things like that, and
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Speaker 1: fire could do that. You know, if it's it's if
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Speaker 1: it's consumed everything in there, but a fire, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: would look at where it started. I'm just telling you,
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Speaker 1: doctor Joy, the mind of an arsonist is different from
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Speaker 1: every other criminal. It is now. I also say that
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Speaker 1: about a few select other type of crimes. But an arsonist,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand that. You you like to
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Speaker 1: sit back and see the fire. You like to see
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Speaker 1: the flames in gulf, the whole structure, all the family belongings.
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Speaker 1: You know. I had to think about this the other day,
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Speaker 1: doctor Joy. I make Soto albums full of all type
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Speaker 1: of memorabilia from my twins, and I've got them all.
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Speaker 1: I took over my husband's closet and it takes up
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Speaker 1: almost the whole closet now, and he was saying, you
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Speaker 1: need to get those things digitized in case you ever
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Speaker 1: had a fire. I nearly passed out, thinking, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't really treasure any belongings. Maybe those photos and
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Speaker 1: my grandmother's engagement ring, that's pretty much it for the
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Speaker 1: whole place. But the thought of losing those and now
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Speaker 1: I'm leading you to the mind of an arsonist that
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Speaker 1: takes joy and seeing this father, this young dad, and
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Speaker 1: the two year old baby girl, everything they have destroyed
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Speaker 1: what kind of a freak is that. Think about the
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Speaker 1: methodology of the violence. Okay, there's a process to it,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of it has to do with destruction
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Speaker 1: and power. You know, they watch the fire as it consumes,
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Speaker 1: think of the power that they're getting, like I'm destroying this,
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Speaker 1: you know, very satisfying to arsonists, you, Nancy, Okay, I
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Speaker 1: know that was not a great legal thought, but you
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Speaker 1: is that, you, Dave mac No, it's mad mad jump in. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean the sort of psychology of arsonist And there's
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Speaker 1: there's a number of different reasons as was just said,
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Speaker 1: you know, with regard to that power. But you know,
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Speaker 1: some people start fires for sexual gratification. Wait, wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: Jackie fire, are you shaking your head? Yes? About starting
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Speaker 1: a fire for sex gratification? Yes, okay, you know what.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I asked that. Okay, that's the question I
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Speaker 1: don't know the answer to, and I don't want to
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Speaker 1: know the answer to. Yes, that's oh okay, thanks Manjeno
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Speaker 1: from bringing putting that in my head. You light a
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Speaker 1: fire and burn somebody's house down for sex gratification. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's certainly a tie to that. And also there's there's
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Speaker 1: the idea of anger. You have to think about the
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Speaker 1: idea of anger when when when when a fire started,
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Speaker 1: you want to maybe destroy something that somebody holds dear
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Speaker 1: and that you're maybe mad at her or or upset
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Speaker 1: with so. So there's a lot of different reasons, a
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Speaker 1: lot of difference psychology that goes into an arson, and
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Speaker 1: those have to all be examined to try to determine,
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Speaker 1: you know, who might be the perpetrator of this effect.
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Speaker 1: You're right, Matthew Mangina, because if here in this kind
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Speaker 1: of case, if you determine motive, you have your killer.
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Speaker 1: Normally you find your killer or your criminal, and then
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Speaker 1: you determine motive if you can. So we're looking at
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Speaker 1: the evidence left behind. Who would do this to a
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Speaker 1: young dad and its two year old baby girl. Talking
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Speaker 1: about evidence, I don't know anybody that has ever had
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Speaker 1: video evidence of an arson that was not part of
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Speaker 1: a security system. Listen our forensic crime online. The fire
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Speaker 1: broke out around two am. Tommy Gurray and his daughter
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Speaker 1: are not at home at the time. A witness report
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Speaker 1: seeing someone in a great key optima taking things from
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Speaker 1: the home. It's also the time that Greg gets a
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Speaker 1: FaceTime video in which he can see the fire beginning spread.
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Speaker 1: The fire department is called, but it's too late. In
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Speaker 1: the video, you can see the couch in the living
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Speaker 1: room on fire. A laundry basket filled with clothes is
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Speaker 1: seen toppling over onto the couch, which makes it possible
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Speaker 1: for the fire to spread quickly. So a neighbor spots
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Speaker 1: a great Kia Optima leaving and someone has been putting
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Speaker 1: items in the optima stealing from the home. Then out
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Speaker 1: of the blue, two am, the dad gets a video
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Speaker 1: showing the interior of his home on fire. To Nicole
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Speaker 1: brought joining me forensic fire medic arson expert Nicole, when
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Speaker 1: you have arrived at a fire scene, how devastated are
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Speaker 1: the victims seeing everything they own go up in smoke?
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Speaker 1: I would absolutely devastating because this is these are the
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Speaker 1: things that you can't get back, your memories, your picture,
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Speaker 1: there's so many. Just like what your husband said, that's
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Speaker 1: one of the key things. A lot of people don't
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Speaker 1: think about fire, accidental or arson relating it. It doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: It's those are things that you will never ever get back.
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Speaker 1: There are things that you cannot reproduce. So the sentimental
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Speaker 1: value and not just with pictures, but just with belongings
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Speaker 1: and the memory. That is very devastating to any individual.
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Speaker 1: You know, Nicole brought you just really brought up a
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Speaker 1: sore point because my husband, David Lynch, lost the first
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Speaker 1: six months of videos and pictures of our twins. Did
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Speaker 1: you know that Jackie and I still am not over it.
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Speaker 1: They're fifteen. I'm still thinking about those six months of
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Speaker 1: videos and when you just said that losing everything. So
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Speaker 1: the family is dealing with very often a death, an
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Speaker 1: illness because of smoke in elation, but then the loss
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Speaker 1: of everything they hold dear. And out of the blue,
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Speaker 1: this dad gets a video somebody sends him of his
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Speaker 1: home going up in smoke. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at crime online. The person FaceTime he taught me
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Speaker 1: Garray at two am is his new girlfriend, the Natum
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Speaker 1: Marie Soda. Earlier that day's Soto FaceTime Garay, but a
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Speaker 1: woman answered instead, making Soto angry because she thought he
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Speaker 1: was cheating. It made Soto so angry that she drove
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Speaker 1: to the home, broke in, stole things from inside, then
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Speaker 1: set the couch on fire. Soto allegedly showed Garay a
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Speaker 1: chair on fire in the living room and then said
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Speaker 1: I hope your stuff is going to be okay and
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Speaker 1: then hung up. Not long after, while the house is burning,
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Speaker 1: Sodo sends a text to Garray, reading, I hope your
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Speaker 1: house is okay. Soto left before responders arrived. Police say
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Speaker 1: the woman who originally answered Garray's phone was a family member.
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Speaker 1: You know what, sometimes I just want to cry. I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to, of course, but Dave mac explained to
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Speaker 1: me what I just heard. Dave Matt joining me Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, what am I hearing? Explaining? Okay?
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Speaker 1: Backing up. In the first report we had, it was
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Speaker 1: said that this is a new relationship, that Tommy Garray,
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Speaker 1: the single dad of a two year old little girl,
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Speaker 1: that it was a new relationship with this woman. Now
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Speaker 1: we know it was Senata Marie Soto. We also noted
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Speaker 1: that this home, Jackie, it's not just a home that
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Speaker 1: he owns. This is a home that has been in
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Speaker 1: his family generationally. It's the home his father grew up
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Speaker 1: and that he grew up and now he's raising his
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Speaker 1: daughter in this home. That's how important this place is.
23:46
Speaker 1: And know that Senata Marie Soto knew that, so she
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Speaker 1: calls him up on FaceTime to talk to her new boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: and unbeknownst to her, it's a relative. But female answers
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Speaker 1: the FaceTime video instead of Tommy Garray. That sets Seneda off.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she loses her cookies anthy and she starts
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Speaker 1: planning what she's going to do. Now we don't know
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Speaker 1: what items she particularly went after in that home, but
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Speaker 1: she had been in the home before, she knew her
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Speaker 1: way around, so she went and got very specific items
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Speaker 1: out of that home and put them in her car.
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Speaker 1: Then she taunts get Tommy by showing him that there's
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Speaker 1: a chair on fire. Particularly of this. You know now,
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Speaker 1: the reason we know she lets to his sofa on
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Speaker 1: fire is because, as you mentioned earlier, surveillance video catches everything,
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Speaker 1: and in that surveillance video they actually see Seneda Maria
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Speaker 1: Soto lighting that couch on fire. You know what, I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about the aspect before I get into
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Speaker 1: proving this case to you, Doctor Joy Crawls and psychologists
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Speaker 1: joining us Professor Saint Leah. You my dad passed away,
25:02
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, several years ago. It feels like yesterday, but
25:08
Speaker 1: it was more like five years ago. And we just
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Speaker 1: my mom finally, who lives with us, just decided out
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Speaker 1: of the blue to sell our home, our family home.
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Speaker 1: I never said anything to her, but I didn't want
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Speaker 1: her to sell it. I love our family home. Her
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Speaker 1: father built the home for her. My grandfather dug the well,
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Speaker 1: who was a diviner. He found the water in the
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Speaker 1: backyard and dug the well for our home and I
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Speaker 1: grew up there. I didn't want her to sell the home.
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Speaker 1: Of course I didn't tell her that. I wanted her
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Speaker 1: to do what she wanted to do with her home.
25:45
Speaker 1: I mean what I went through, doctor Joy, thinking about
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Speaker 1: losing the family home. And in this case, this woman
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Speaker 1: knows it's a home. It's been in the family for generations.
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Speaker 1: Think of the power that gives her in her mind
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Speaker 1: and over him, and by destroying it, I mean the
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Speaker 1: damage she has done, the pain that she's inflicted psychologically
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Speaker 1: on him, because again fire destroys everything. I mean, there's
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Speaker 1: you know, not any I guess you can build back,
26:16
Speaker 1: but it's not going to be the original. And you
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Speaker 1: know that violence that was displayed by her against the
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Speaker 1: boyfriend through the fire, that's that power and just violence.
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Speaker 1: And it's top it all off, that'd only been dating
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Speaker 1: one month. Now, this is not the first time that
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Speaker 1: we have seen the old adage, Hell hath no fury
26:43
Speaker 1: like a woman scorned. I've always hated that because it's
26:47
Speaker 1: so you know, stereotypical of women. Some women that's said.
26:53
Speaker 1: That said, we all remember the case Lisa left Eye
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Speaker 1: Lopez who burned down her high profile boyfriend Andre Rysen's
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Speaker 1: one point three million dollar mansions. I would call it
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Speaker 1: all started in the bathtub. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at now this needs. While Risen was gone, Lopez
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Speaker 1: took his new sneakers, put them in his bathtub and
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Speaker 1: set them on fire. But she was unable to contain
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Speaker 1: the flames once they started, and by morning, the entire
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Speaker 1: mansion had burned down. A day later, Lopez was arrested
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Speaker 1: and charged with arson. She ultimately got off with a
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Speaker 1: small fine and probation. To this day, it will go
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Speaker 1: down as one of the most insane celebrity couple fights
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Speaker 1: in history. Unbelievably, Risen and Lopez remained together still even
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Speaker 1: after burning their house down. The two continued their relationship
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Speaker 1: for years to come, and we're even playing on getting
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Speaker 1: married until Lopez was tragically killed in a car accident
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Speaker 1: in Hondris in two thousand and two. Andre Risen, a
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Speaker 1: high profile football player, played with the Colts, the Falcons,
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Speaker 1: the Browns, the Jaguars, the Packers. She started a fire
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Speaker 1: out of anger that ended up burning down one point
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Speaker 1: three million dollar mansion. Okay, she's not the only one
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Speaker 1: to take a Listen to our friends at Inside Edition.
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Speaker 1: She looks like she's relaxing in a lawn chair with
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Speaker 1: a good book, but authorities say she actually just torched
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Speaker 1: her own home then sat in the chair to watch
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Speaker 1: it go up in flames. The shocking video starts with
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Speaker 1: the woman having an argument on her front porch. Oh
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Speaker 1: my god, he just then another argument with another resident.
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Speaker 1: Next thing you know, the house they all limon is
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Speaker 1: on fire, and there's the accused arsonist relaxing in the
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Speaker 1: lawn chair. She's sitting there, just chilling, watching the house
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Speaker 1: go up fleaves, which goes back to the odd characteristic
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Speaker 1: of certain arsenists sit back and watch their handiwork. And
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Speaker 1: there's more on. Gale met Wallace and the fire quickly
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Speaker 1: consumes the house in Elkton, Maryland. Get out of the house,
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Speaker 1: it's on fire. A bystander runs to help a residence
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Speaker 1: as she climbs out a window. Harry fire crews rushed
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Speaker 1: to the scene. Avery Hammond shot the video. I couldn't
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Speaker 1: believe that she was just sitting there like it wasn't happening.
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Speaker 1: She casually went out there, sat in a chair, stated
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Speaker 1: a few obscenities, and watched the fire spread throughout the house.
29:38
Speaker 1: And now take a listen to this idiot from our
29:43
Speaker 1: friends at WBTD. A woman facing charges after Jeopardy says
29:47
Speaker 1: she set fire to a home. It also was reportedly
29:50
Speaker 1: not the home she meant to set on fire. The
29:53
Speaker 1: Rowan County Sheriff's Office believes she may have been trying
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Speaker 1: to get at her ex boyfriend. One problem though, Christy Jones'
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Speaker 1: boyfriend do not live at the house that caught fire.
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Speaker 1: Someone else does and now they have to fix twenty
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars in damage. Deputy say the homeowner went to
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Speaker 1: grab a garden hose and notice pieces of wood on
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Speaker 1: fire around a propane tank. Get this. Deputy say the
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Speaker 1: water hose did not work because Jones tried to seal it.
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Speaker 1: Jones's charged with arson and assault. Deputy say war charges
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Speaker 1: are possible. She's behind bars on a one hundred and
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Speaker 1: one thousand dollars bond. She even thought to get rid
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Speaker 1: of the water hose and ended up burning down the
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Speaker 1: wrong house when she's trying to burn down the home
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Speaker 1: of her boyfriend. Well, here is a woman brought to
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Speaker 1: us from wdiv who couldn't get at the house, so
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Speaker 1: she burned up the next best thing belonging to her
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Speaker 1: imaginary boyfriend. Listen, an enterprising neighbor was up at eight
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Speaker 1: Wednesday morning and caught it all on camera. The woman
30:53
Speaker 1: busts out a window in the jeep, pours gasoline inside,
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Speaker 1: and then throws a match. The force of the explosion
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Speaker 1: she's cause throws her backward, but she crawls back to
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Speaker 1: pick up the gas canon takes off as the jeep
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Speaker 1: begins to go up in flames. The flames melted two cars.
31:10
Speaker 1: That jeep was all of three months old. The owner
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Speaker 1: of it, Avery Stevenson, did tell us that while he
31:15
Speaker 1: knows twenty six year old Sydney Perham, who has been
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Speaker 1: arrested for this, she was not his girlfriend. Well apparently
31:23
Speaker 1: she thought she was or wanted to be. Crime stories
31:41
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. In the current case, we have a man,
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Speaker 1: a young dad left with his two year old little
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Speaker 1: girl and no home. Another layer of psychosis is that
31:58
Speaker 1: she actually Nicole brought joining me. Forensic far medic arson
32:02
Speaker 1: expert sends him a video that morning around two am
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Speaker 1: of his home going up in flames. How does that
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Speaker 1: factor in to your analysis of the mind of an arsonists? Again,
32:16
Speaker 1: we're going back to that mental state of mind. She
32:19
Speaker 1: was looking for a finality. She was looking for a
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Speaker 1: way to how can I hurt him be most She
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Speaker 1: knew how much the house meant to him. I'm pretty
32:29
Speaker 1: sure they had multiple conversations about it, and for a
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Speaker 1: lot of arsonists. One of the other guest tunnelists also mentioned,
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Speaker 1: it's about that power. It's about being able to finalize
32:41
Speaker 1: somebody's mental state. You know, it's it's the most incredible
32:49
Speaker 1: teardown emotionally for any person. So she found that and
32:54
Speaker 1: she and oh that is Oh, this is just the
32:56
Speaker 1: saddest story. Hell half no furial like a woman's school?
33:00
Speaker 1: Is that adage true? Guys? I know you recall the
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Speaker 1: case that Joe Scott Morgan and I covered together. Take
33:09
Speaker 1: a listen to our fris at Fox fifty nine. The
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Speaker 1: family of the man killed in this parking lot outside
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Speaker 1: Tilly's Pub. Believes the death was the result of a
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Speaker 1: fatal obsession. The prosecutor hopes the murder charge in this case,
33:20
Speaker 1: as well as a second similar murder charge filed this week,
33:24
Speaker 1: sends some important messages to everyone, crying food out to
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Speaker 1: his car in this parking lot along eighty second Street.
33:33
Speaker 1: Last week, twenty six year old Andrea Smith found himself
33:37
Speaker 1: ambushed and run over three times. Police believe the driver
33:41
Speaker 1: that night was a woman who tracks Smith to Tilly's Pub.
33:44
Speaker 1: We are devastated, man, heartbroke. I really don't think nothing
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Speaker 1: can justify my cousin being gone. Smith's family told me
33:52
Speaker 1: that while the suspect, Galen Morris, believes Smith was cheating
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Speaker 1: on her with another woman, Smith was not dating the
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Speaker 1: suspect at the time, but they believe she had become
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Speaker 1: obsessed with his personal life this abid David claims Morris
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Speaker 1: admitted she put a tracker in the backseat of Smith's
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Speaker 1: car and followed them to the pub via GPS air tags.
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Speaker 1: Pure out obsession that leads to murder. Jess got Morgan
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Speaker 1: joining US Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott, you
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Speaker 1: covered that case along with me and investigated the crime scene.
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Speaker 1: Have you noticed that these women scorned us particularly gruesome
34:36
Speaker 1: methods to kill their victim. This guy Smith was run
34:40
Speaker 1: over over and over and over. Remember when we talked
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Speaker 1: to his mother, Oh yeah, yeah, sure, dude, that's you know,
34:47
Speaker 1: And I think at the time I used the term
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Speaker 1: uber violence, where it is to the extreme, just like
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Speaker 1: burning down a structure. You know, one of the things
34:55
Speaker 1: that I kind of reflected back on, you know, we
34:58
Speaker 1: had mentioned lous things within the structure. I began to
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Speaker 1: think about, you know, the first time, you know, in
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Speaker 1: my home that I ever looked over peeked over the
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Speaker 1: side of a crib and looked down at my babies
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Speaker 1: in that crib. That's a space that I can never
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Speaker 1: get back. In this case where this where Andre was
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Speaker 1: run over multiple multiple times, it's not just the fact
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Speaker 1: that she's trying to kill him. It's a fact that
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Speaker 1: she's trying to eradicate him any any semblance of him.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you know, if it even
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Speaker 1: goes to the extreme that if his family wanted to
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Speaker 1: have a viewing of him, and that couldn't be achieved,
35:38
Speaker 1: you know, from the funeral, so you know, you get
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Speaker 1: an idea of how vicious these attacks are. Nancy. Of course,
35:44
Speaker 1: we can't talk about women's scorn without mentioning. Jacqueline Adis
35:48
Speaker 1: listen to our friend's KPHO. I felt like I met
35:52
Speaker 1: my souling and everything was just the way it was,
35:54
Speaker 1: and I thought we would just do what everybody else
35:56
Speaker 1: did and we would just like get married and everything
35:57
Speaker 1: would be fine. But that's not what happened. Jacqueline Addis
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Speaker 1: claims she went on three dates with a Paradise Valley
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Speaker 1: man she met through an online dating service for millionaire matchmaking.
36:08
Speaker 1: Court records say Addis sent the victim sixty five thousand
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Speaker 1: text messages, including threats to kill him, where his body
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Speaker 1: parts and bathe in his blood to see more. Addis
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Speaker 1: does not deny the volume of text messages, but she
36:22
Speaker 1: would not get into specifics. She did, however, regret the
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Speaker 1: nature of some of those messages. When you're finding love,
36:31
Speaker 1: not everything is perfect. This was a journey, and I
36:36
Speaker 1: want to apologize because nobody would ever be more sorry.
36:40
Speaker 1: Addis said she never intended to hurt or scare the victim,
36:44
Speaker 1: and she doesn't blame him for her incarceration. No I
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Speaker 1: love him. She still loves him from behind bars. Did
36:54
Speaker 1: you hear that she says, when you're finding love, not
36:58
Speaker 1: everything is perfect. Well that's a surefire way to get
37:03
Speaker 1: a man to threaten to kill him where his body
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Speaker 1: parts and bathe in his blood. Okay, can we have
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Speaker 1: this discussion without saying the two words Shana Hubers. Listen
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Speaker 1: to this nine one one call kill nine one one, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: I haven't I killed my boyfriend and self. The further
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Speaker 1: they where are you up? I'm at well the meadow Lane.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't ye fim fucking if apartment we ran it?
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Speaker 1: Meadow anything else, meadow view or something called medow Lane. Okay, No,
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Speaker 1: she didn't. She didn't kill him in self defense. She
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Speaker 1: killed him because he was having a date that night,
37:51
Speaker 1: literally with miss Ohio Ryan posting was an up and
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Speaker 1: coming success story, just got out of law school. Who's
37:59
Speaker 1: the apple of a family's eye. She went on to
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Speaker 1: state that she gave him the quote nos job he
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Speaker 1: always wanted. She shot him in the face. Yeah, woman
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Speaker 1: scorn and I don't want to miss on Nijinsky Dix
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Speaker 1: take a listen to Murcutt thirty six A Nijinsky Dix
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Speaker 1: is a thirty seven year old PhD student at the
38:24
Speaker 1: University of Illinois, Chicago. She's been pursuing a doctorate in criminology,
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Speaker 1: law and justice while also working as an employee at
38:34
Speaker 1: the University of Notre Dame in South Bend, Indiana, where
38:37
Speaker 1: she's the director of a talent search program called Trio.
38:41
Speaker 1: She's also dating a man named Terry Hickman. They didn't
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Speaker 1: date for long. According to Hickman's family, they dated for
38:49
Speaker 1: about three months, but the forty four year old Terry
38:53
Speaker 1: broke up with her in May. So what exactly is
38:57
Speaker 1: obsession that leads to burn down someone's home. I mean,
39:02
Speaker 1: I could go on and on. We've got Jody Arias
39:05
Speaker 1: that stab Travis Allen Standard thirty times shot him in
39:08
Speaker 1: the head because he was taking another woman on vacation
39:11
Speaker 1: after Arius and he had broken up. But the obsession
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Speaker 1: leading to outright murderer. What is that, doctor, Jory well Man,
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Speaker 1: That's a psychosis, you could call it. I mean, it's
39:28
Speaker 1: definitely a mental deficiency in logic. It's focusing on like
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Speaker 1: an object, like this person, like she said, you know,
39:38
Speaker 1: love isn't perfect. It's that misinterpretation and it usually ends
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Speaker 1: in some form of violence. Well it sure did this time.
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime online dot com. Where does the case
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Speaker 1: stand against SNYDA so too. He has been charged Nancy
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Speaker 1: with oursen obviously and burglary and attempted murder. Guys, there's
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Speaker 1: a gofund me online to try to help this young
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Speaker 1: father and his two year old baby. His name Tommy
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Speaker 1: Garay g A r A Y. We wait as just
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Speaker 1: as un falls. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye
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