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Trump Targets School JUST Outside Boston · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: We've got all four of us here today. We are
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  Speaker 1: doing a mailbag. We're going to take some of your questions.
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  Speaker 1: Hope everyone had a good Memorial Day weekend. But we
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  Speaker 1: woke up.
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  Speaker 3: It's Friday.
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  Speaker 1: We're recording this. And we woke up and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump made a bunch of news. So we might
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that at the top if
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  Speaker 1: you guys want. It's not often I wake up and
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  Speaker 1: there's like multiple breaking news New York Times notifications on
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  Speaker 1: your phone about Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 5: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Not like most days? Well, this one was like a
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  Speaker 1: couple right in a row because first he threatened the EU.
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  Speaker 1: They had it coming. Right, yeah, which is one of
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  Speaker 1: his favorite punching bags with a 50% tariff because apparently
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  Speaker 1: the trade negotiations aren't going well with Europe. So starting
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  Speaker 1: on June 1st, he wants to recommend a straight 50% tariff.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be tough to drink those French wines, Tommy. No.
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  Speaker 3: Zut alors.
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  Speaker 1: I need a better one of those.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 1: And then right after that, he said, I've long ago
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  Speaker 1: informed Tim Cook of Apple that I expect their iPhones
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  Speaker 1: that will be sold in the United States of America
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  Speaker 1: will be manufactured and built in the United States, not
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  Speaker 1: India or anyplace else. If that's not the case, a
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  Speaker 1: tariff of at least 25% must be paid by Apple
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  Speaker 1: to the U.S. I mean, most of the weekend, I'm
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  Speaker 1: walking around with a An Apple, an iPhone in one
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  Speaker 1: hand and a glass of wine in the other hand.
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  Speaker 1: That's like both of my modern man.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, look at this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What did he do to me?
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  Speaker 4: Just scrolling and sipping. Scrolling and sipping.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he flawlessly wove those two tariffs together.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking about it. I'm like, wine and iPhone.
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  Speaker 2: No, I do think the tariffs are happening to you.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're right. Also, all of our kids desperately
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  Speaker 3: want to work at Foxconn. That's where this is going.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then, of course, Dan and I talked a
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  Speaker 1: little bit on Friday's episode about... the threat to Harvard
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  Speaker 1: and trying to revoke their ability to enroll any international
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  Speaker 1: students whatsoever. Harvard sued. There was a temporary injunction granted
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  Speaker 1: this morning, Friday morning, but it's still chaos. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you guys have read some of the stories
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  Speaker 1: there about these students who, students who are already there,
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  Speaker 1: who don't know if they're going to be able to
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  Speaker 1: finish school. Students who are incoming students to Harvard, international
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  Speaker 1: students who have already like turned down other colleges and
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  Speaker 1: were ready to go to Harvard and now don't know
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  Speaker 1: if they can Anyway, Trump versus the world. What do
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  Speaker 1: you guys all think?
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  Speaker 2: It is very cruel to those students. Could be a
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  Speaker 2: good day for somebody who got waitlisted.
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  Speaker 3: It is like 6,800 kids. 27% of last year's class,
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  Speaker 3: I think, is international. I just saw a story. I
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  Speaker 3: saw a Harvard professor tweeting about how among those at
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  Speaker 3: risk of not being able to go to Harvard this
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  Speaker 3: year are IDF veterans. So to combat antisemitism, we are
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  Speaker 3: telling Israeli combat veterans that they can't go to Harvard.
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  Speaker 3: That makes total sense to me.
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  Speaker 4: Is that what we're doing? We're combating antisemitism by kicking
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  Speaker 4: these foreign students, including Israeli students, out of Harvard?
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  Speaker 1: That is the ostensible purpose.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard to keep it straight, but yes, that's why.
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  Speaker 3: There's also a DEI element to it. They're saying they
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  Speaker 3: also employ DEI policy. So it's anti-Semitism promoting pro-Hamas sympathies
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  Speaker 3: on campus and DEI policies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what the letter from, what's her face? Kristi
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  Speaker 1: Noem said is that they were demanding from Harvard video footage,
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  Speaker 1: records of all the international students' potential disciplinary actions. So basically, like,
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  Speaker 1: have they ever you know, participated in a protest. That's
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  Speaker 1: sort of what they're looking for.
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  Speaker 3: Not just illegal activity, protected speech, protest activity. They're demanding
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  Speaker 3: any footage of protests that might involve international students.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a, you know, Harvard responded, it's bracingly unconstitutional.
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  Speaker 2: They're not pretending at all that this has anything to
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  Speaker 2: do with their international student program or any kind of
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  Speaker 2: illicit or illegal conduct by Harvard that would justify shutting
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  Speaker 2: down the program. They are explicitly saying for this other reason,
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  Speaker 2: that we care about, which is anti-Semitic protest on campus,
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  Speaker 2: we are going to use all the levers of power
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  Speaker 2: we have at our disposal to fuck with you. So
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  Speaker 2: the judge blocked it because Harvard basically is saying this
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  Speaker 2: will do a ton of harm even before we're able
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  Speaker 2: to litigate it, but it's also just bracingly unconstitutional.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the markets are taking the tariff threats well.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think the markets, I think they're shrugging off
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  Speaker 3: the EU portion of it because, I mean, the problem
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  Speaker 3: with Trump making these threats now is Europe has already
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  Speaker 3: watched him cave. Like multiple times. He caved to them.
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  Speaker 3: He caved to China. What's this, like round, what, two
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  Speaker 3: or three of these tariff threats? The new thing, waking
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  Speaker 3: up and threatening a foreign country or a block of them,
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm kind of used to by now, waking
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  Speaker 3: up and threatening one of the crown jewels of the U.S.
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  Speaker 3: tech community or one of the biggest U.S. companies, period,
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  Speaker 3: is insane. And the idea that Apple is going to
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  Speaker 3: shift manufacturing from China to the United States is nonsensical.
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  Speaker 3: They're trying to shift from China to India, in part
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  Speaker 3: because of US government pressure that we want all these
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  Speaker 3: major companies to diversify supply chains and not be captive
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  Speaker 3: to the Chinese Communist Party. Now, the Chinese are making
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  Speaker 3: it very difficult to shift those supply chains and manufacturing
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  Speaker 3: out of China through a bunch of restrictions that are
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  Speaker 3: too boring to get into. But the idea that Apple
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't just eat the 25% tariff and make our iPhones $ 100,
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  Speaker 3: $ 300 more expensive, as opposed to trying to completely redo
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  Speaker 3: the company in the United States is ludicrous.
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  Speaker 4: Does Trump think that there's some like magic factory in
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  Speaker 4: a box button that Tim Cook is not pushing? Like
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  Speaker 4: even if he were to say tomorrow, like, yes, we're
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  Speaker 4: going to make more, it would be years upon years
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  Speaker 4: before you could start making the iPhones in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's basically what happened to the Mattel guy,
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  Speaker 1: the CEO of Mattel, because he said the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, we're moving out of China. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to try to move more production and manufacturing into India
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  Speaker 1: and And Trump's like, no, no, no, no, no. You
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  Speaker 1: don't get to move from China to India. You have
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  Speaker 1: to move here. And if not, no more Mattel toys.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we're dealing with this Memorial Day weekend.
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  Speaker 2: I was actually more alarmed by the EU tariffs because
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  Speaker 2: what's he fucking doing? Is he actually going to go
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  Speaker 2: through with this? It's like more of the same chaos
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  Speaker 2: that could have like far reaching consequences. With Apple, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: all right, the most profitable company in the history of
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  Speaker 2: planet Earth. They've made an incredible amount of money making
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  Speaker 2: iPhones in China and selling them at tremendous profit in
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  Speaker 2: the U.S. Do I think this is the way the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: president should behave? No. But do I care that much?
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  Speaker 3: I really don't.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think it speaks to how little Tim
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  Speaker 2: Cook has gotten for his obsequious bowing before Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Is it working? Is your charm offensive in your donation?
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  Speaker 2: Is it working? It doesn't seem like it's working.
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  Speaker 3: It's not working, but the net effect of this is
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  Speaker 3: that Apple sells like 75 million iPhones in the U.S.
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  Speaker 3: What's most likely to happen is that they all cost
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  Speaker 3: $ 300 more. So, yeah, that would really suck for a
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  Speaker 3: huge chunk of the country.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, Apple will.
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  Speaker 3: It would have a huge political impact.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 3: They will make us eat the cost. Like, it's a
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  Speaker 3: big deal. You can definitely.
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  Speaker 2: No, I know. It's just annoying.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get to the questions. These are from Discord,
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  Speaker 1: from our subscribers. The first one is from CallMeTRL. although
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  Speaker 1: I think this one's probably from Elijah. What can Dem
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  Speaker 1: voters do to push the party to elect younger reps
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  Speaker 1: to leadership positions? Cough, AOC, Oversight Committee, cough, to move
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  Speaker 1: on from this seniority system they have.
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  Speaker 2: That was Connolly's last words.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God. Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, come on.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: He had throat cancer.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't realize that. Well, I know he died
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  Speaker 2: of cancer. That's very specific, but I'm sorry. That was
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  Speaker 2: obviously inappropriate, and I think we should leave it in.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Dan, Dan, what's your answer? That's a good joke.
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  Speaker 4: I'm still in shock by what just happened there.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 4: It begins with electing more younger Democrats, right? That is
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  Speaker 4: the first thing. There are going to be primaries. We're
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  Speaker 4: going to have open seats for the Senate coming up
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  Speaker 4: in a whole bunch of states. If you want younger Democrats,
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  Speaker 4: we should elect those. And pressure should be put on
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  Speaker 4: leadership to have a different system. There is a value
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  Speaker 4: in experience, for sure. If you've been in Congress a while,
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  Speaker 4: you know how these things work. You develop issue expertise,
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  Speaker 4: and that matters. But we have to think about other things.
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  Speaker 4: Politics is also performance. And we have to think about
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  Speaker 4: people who can communicate, who can speak to the large
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  Speaker 4: part of our core base that we're losing, which is
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  Speaker 4: young voters. And so we need a system that isn't
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  Speaker 4: simply the longer you've been in Congress, you automatically get
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  Speaker 4: the spot. And so it's put pressure on Hakeem Jeffries,
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  Speaker 4: put pressure on Chuck Schumer. If you think we need
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  Speaker 4: younger leadership in the Senate, put pressure on senators. You
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  Speaker 4: can do that by calling their office. You can do
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  Speaker 4: that through protests to look for younger leadership. And that
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  Speaker 4: begins with getting someone to challenge these leaders. You actually
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  Speaker 4: need that to happen, particularly in the Senate.
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  Speaker 3: You know who's really good at finding young leaders is
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  Speaker 3: Matt Gaetz.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: You know, this used to be worse. I think before
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  Speaker 3: the 70s, it was like just de facto politics. If
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  Speaker 3: you were the most senior member on the committee, you
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  Speaker 3: got the job. Then in the 70s, the party granted
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  Speaker 3: the caucus the power to vote on these things. In 2020,
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  Speaker 3: Dems put in place six-year term limits for chairs. So
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  Speaker 3: we could do more of that. There could be ranked
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  Speaker 3: choice voting for committee chairs. You could reform the steering committee,
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  Speaker 3: which is a leadership setup committee that recommends people for
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  Speaker 3: these spots. You could put more emphasis on policy expertise
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  Speaker 3: or whatever. There is an open question, though, like, Does
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  Speaker 3: this really fucking matter? Like people care what AOC thinks
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  Speaker 3: a lot more than name a random committee chair. I can't,
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  Speaker 3: even though she was passed over. So it's a fair question.
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  Speaker 1: I do agree that the committee chair issue is less
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  Speaker 1: of an issue than the fact that a number of
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  Speaker 1: House Democrats have died in office.
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  Speaker 3: That seems bad.
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  Speaker 1: Over the last year or so.
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  Speaker 2: Three have died this year. The last eight members of
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  Speaker 2: Congress or senators to die while in office have all
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  Speaker 2: been Democrats.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oof.
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  Speaker 1: But, you know, ultimately, like you said, Dan, we've got
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  Speaker 1: to run younger candidates. And if you don't see younger
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  Speaker 1: candidates running, run yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Right. You know? All right.
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  Speaker 1: This is from Patrick W. As someone who worked in
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  Speaker 1: the Senate during the first Trump term, I don't remember
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  Speaker 1: the moderate Dems, aside from Manchin, voting so often with
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  Speaker 1: Republicans for Trump nominees or for bad bills like Lake
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  Speaker 1: and Riley, the Genius Act, et cetera. What is going
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  Speaker 1: on with senators like Gallego, Slotkin, Warner, Rosen, that they
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  Speaker 1: feel like voting with Republicans and Trump so often that
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  Speaker 1: in this moment. Anyone wanna take that?
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  Speaker 3: So you guys wanna hear some Republicans in the first
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  Speaker 3: Trump term that got big, big votes? Jim Mattis, you
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  Speaker 3: wanna guess?
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  Speaker 4: 100-0.
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  Speaker 1: Unanimous?
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for yes-anding this. Way to be a team player, pal.
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  Speaker 2: 98-1.
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  Speaker 1: Who was against Jim Mattis?
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  Speaker 3: I think it was Senator Gillibrand, I believe. There was
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  Speaker 3: a question at the time of whether someone who was
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  Speaker 3: just in uniform. You're supposed to be statutorily out for
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  Speaker 3: five years, I think, before you can be sec-deaf. Elaine
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  Speaker 3: Chao got 93 to six for DOT.
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  Speaker 2: That's Mitch McConnell, Mitch McConnell pressing the flesh. It is.
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  Speaker 3: I think like immigration, the specific area where Democrats felt
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  Speaker 3: like they were offsides politically. And a lot of them are,
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  Speaker 3: these people are in border states. So they voted for
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  Speaker 3: terrible bills because they thought that's what their constituents want.
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  Speaker 3: The genius act is in my view, an indefensible, weird decision.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's about the regulation of stable coins. It
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  Speaker 3: got 69 votes in the Senate. I think Democrats are scared.
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  Speaker 3: crypto money, and also they want to be perceived as
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  Speaker 3: pro-crypto among crypto fans. But, you know, Trump is literally
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  Speaker 3: selling access to the highest bidder as we speak, or
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  Speaker 3: that was last night, sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the argument that they have made, because
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  Speaker 1: at first the Democrats, or a lot of Democrats, I
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  Speaker 1: think most of them, even the pro-crypto Democrats in the
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  Speaker 1: Senate were against the Genius Act, and then they made
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  Speaker 1: some changes. And so the people who are for it
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  Speaker 1: are saying, well, it's some regulation of stablecoin is better
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  Speaker 1: than no regulation at all. And there's all these consumer
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  Speaker 1: protections built in. And opponents, like Elizabeth Warren, are saying
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  Speaker 1: not enough protections built in. And also, it's not doing
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  Speaker 1: anything about Trump and the Trump problem. I believe the
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  Speaker 1: regulations now say that no member of Congress or senior
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  Speaker 1: administration official can start a stable coin while in office.
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  Speaker 3: But if you already got one going.
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  Speaker 1: Right, exactly. Like, come on. So not a great bill.
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  Speaker 1: But I would take issue with the premise only in
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  Speaker 1: that at the beginning of Trump's term, with some of
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  Speaker 1: the cabinet nominees and things like Lake and Riley Act,
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  Speaker 1: we were in a political environment where I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Democrats were like, okay, we got to work
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  Speaker 1: with Trump when we can and oppose him when we must.
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  Speaker 1: And I think now, with the exception of the Genius Act,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think many nominees are getting through the Democratic Senate,
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  Speaker 1: except for some reason, Cory Booker voted for Jared Kushner.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the one I want to bring up, right?
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  Speaker 4: Which is, I mean, Charles Kushner was a longtime donor
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  Speaker 4: of Cory Booker. Cory Booker of put out a statement
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  Speaker 4: right before Charles Kushner's conviction. But it's an unbelievable vote.
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  Speaker 4: It's just absolutely an insane thing to do. Cory Booker
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  Speaker 4: put out some statement about how the reason he did
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  Speaker 4: it is because Charles Kushner helped pass the First Step
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  Speaker 4: Act when Cory Booker was doing that in the first term,
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  Speaker 4: which is an absurd premise. And I think it was–
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  Speaker 4: I understand that people thought at the time that we
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  Speaker 4: should work with Trump when we can and oppose him
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  Speaker 4: when we should. That was idiocy then and it's idiocy now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know enough about the Genius Act and the
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  Speaker 4: stable coins about– and I can buy an argument that
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  Speaker 4: some regulation is better than none. But if you're voting–
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  Speaker 4: no one who has cast a vote for a single
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  Speaker 4: Trump nominee has felt good about that vote afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: How does everyone feel about their 99 fucking votes for
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  Speaker 4: Marco Rubio?
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  Speaker 2: We had Ben Holland basically saying to Rubio's face this week, like,
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  Speaker 2: I regret that vote.
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  Speaker 1: And then Rubio's like, that's how I know I'm doing
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  Speaker 1: a good job.
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  Speaker 2: Which doesn't make any sense because were you mad he
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  Speaker 2: voted for you when he got the vote? You're just
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  Speaker 2: coming up with a fucking little retort. Fucking Margaret Rubio.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: But it did feel like what they were trying to
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: do is the same reason they were getting behind people
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: like Mattis. Because it was this idea like, no, you
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: need responsible people there to hold Trump to his feet
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: to the fire. Make sure there are serious adults. If
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: he's not there, who's going to be there in his place?
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: But then that was what Marco Rubio's role, that's what
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Besant's supposed to be doing. But they're just not.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Charles Kushner, what are we doing here?
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not a great guy. All right, this is fun.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Who were your rankings of most disappointing and surprisingly not
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: disappointing Trump 2.0 appointees and characters? And then this person said,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Burgum is kind of wholesome.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: I think we just named a surprisingly disappointing one, which
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: is Marco Rubio.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: That was the top of my list.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Right. He's throwing people in jail for writing op-eds. He's helping.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: And he's proud of it.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Lead deportations to El Salvador. Like he is, he was
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: the most normie cabinet selection out there. And he's done
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: more to erode democratic norms than maybe anyone else.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Look, I didn't expect good things from Kristi Noem, but
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: if you would have told me that within weeks of
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump becoming president, she would do a fascist photo
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: op in front of prisoners at a Salvadoran mega prison
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: to justify illegal extrajudicial kidnappings, that would have been, I think,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: surprising to me.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Well, it's also very specific. What a polymark.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Whoever predicted that was smart. Quite a wind up on
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: that prediction. I think Besant too. Yeah. Yeah. I would say.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: See, I don't know. Has he been a moderating force?
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Kind of seems like it at times on the tariffs.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's helped too much.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know what's going on.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: There's a difference between a pathetic, failed moderating force and
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: someone who's going along with what a Lutnik wants.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Well said. Well said. Tulsi Gabbard, her entire worldview was
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: defined by Iraq, and now she's firing intelligence analysts who
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: disagree with a political judgment they made about immigration.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Dan, what about you? Who do you got?
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: I probably would put Marco Rubio as my most disappointing.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: I didn't have any real hopes for him. I just
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: thought he would be sort of a shuffled off to
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: the side, feckless loser the whole time, as opposed to
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: like really leading into being a giant pro-Trump asshole. That
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: was surprising.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: With four jobs.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think Besant, I don't know what hopes
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: I had for him either. He's mostly failed at what
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: he was doing. He's worse at being Gary Cohn than
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: Gary Cohn, which is saying a lot, the role that
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: he had. You know, I would say Doug Burgum. I
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: haven't really thought about him since the day he was
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: confirmed and this question. So that seems like he's at
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: least not doing something terrible. So I should feel good
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: about that.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's on your, yeah.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's your surprising.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: That's my surprising.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that I did not expect much from
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: her at all, but Pam Bondi to me is like
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: almost as bad as I imagined Matt Gaetz being.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Like she, and when you, whenever you, if you catch
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: her on TV, She's just like a White House spokesperson.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: She's the attorney general.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Empty vessel.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: But she's so obsequious in the cabinet meetings, and she's
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: just spitting out talking points. She's just a Donald Trump staffer.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: She calls him president.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Not mister, not the.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you, president. That kills me. The way a child would.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: You know who's getting a lot of love in surprising
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: places these days?
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. Kash Patel.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Roll the clip.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, a surprise clip.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Surprise clip.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: If it makes you feel better, I mean, Gorka is...
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: Not taken seriously by anyone who knows him, I think,
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: including his wife. And he's a very nice person for
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: whatever it's worth. And I think his job literally is
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: just to sit on the Internet and like send, you know,
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: fiery replies to people on X.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he actually has a job.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: Oh, well, then I guess he's the perfect guy for
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: the job. I assume there's someone else working on counterterrorism.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Tommy, fuck you for making me like Tucker Carlson there.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I know. That was Tucker talking to a guy named
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Sean Ryan, who's kind of a military podcaster guy.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I always see him.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Really shitting on Zeb. So is there some sort of
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Zeb Tucker beef?
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: So apparently there was a backstory that was too long
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: to include, but Gorka went after Sean Ryan over something
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: and was a real dick about it. They also just
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: think he's a clown and he's like cosplaying seriously. counterterrorism.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Sean Ryan's a former Navy SEAL turned CIA kind of contractor, dude.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Any other pleasant surprises? Surprisingly not disappointed. Anyone else? I know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: we kind of talked about Kash Patel a little bit.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to jinx anything.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: I don't either. Dan Bongino and Kash Patel. going out
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: there and basically saying that Epstein killed himself. I mean,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: it's just sort of a strange way to go, fellas.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: But there's a kind of, it was an odd moment
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: of them kind of trying to speak the truth to
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: the base. Not clear why they, I mean, clearly they
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: felt so compelled by all the pressure they're under. It
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: tells you something about what their day-to-day priorities are, but
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: those guys could be worse.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: It's just weird to me, like, after the terrible shooting
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: in D.C. of those two staffers at the Israeli embassy, like,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Dan Bongino's Twitter feed is just giving out good, credible
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: information and very calm. And I'm like, what? It's weird
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: to me only because Cash Patel and Dan Bongino seem
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: less crazy than their boss. It's not like they're taking
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: a cue from Pam Bondi. She's much more of just
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: a Trump staffer than the two of them. And I
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: thought it would have been reversed, maybe.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: It just raises the question about what the deep state
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: has on both of them.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, there we go, Dan.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Dan, you joke, but I listened to two hours of
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson talking to that guy, Sean Ryan, last night,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: and this was a big chunk of it.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about that.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Where do you find the time?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Two hours?
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I did on 2X.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Was it a four-hour podcast you did at 2X?
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: No, two to one, two to one.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, but you still did an hour of Tucker Carlson
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: and Sean Ryan at night with two children. who are
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: quite young.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I listened to half of it this morning. It was compelling.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: It was good.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: It was a good idea.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I'm going to step in to save you, Tommy. At 9.30
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: last night, I started the conversation between J.D. Vance and
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Ross Douthat.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: That was the annoying conversation.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: And I listened to that to go to sleep.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: It was so bad.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: What is wrong with you? But it did not help
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: me go to sleep because it got me extremely angry
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: at J.D.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Vance.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Well, no fucking shit.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Like, what did you think? Just Ross's soothing, dulcet tones
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: was going to rock you to sleep like a lullaby?
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: It's supposed to be a guy you're trying to get
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: in a Twitter fight with every three days?
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the last straw was for Martin
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Luther to kick off the Reformation, but it has to
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: be a Catholic conversation more irritating than that, I suppose.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Anyway, we won't break that down. All right, new question
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: from Kev. When a Democratic president gets back in office,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: do you think it is their responsibility to strip back
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: some of the presidential powers that have been taken away
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: over the past two decades, or is that not possible
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: with an ever-paralyzed and ineffective legislative branch? I had Tommy
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and Dan both say they wanted to take this one.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, my answer is nope. Use the power you have
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: to do stuff that makes people happy. I'm not saying
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: that President Pete should crush his enemies with DOJ, but
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: we're not going back to normal. Let's do some shit.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I thought that you were going to say for war powers.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: What do you mean? Like have Congress actually.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Like the fact that we're still, you know, that the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: presidents are still using the authorization for Afghanistan and Iraq
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to just like launch whatever.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: It would be great if Congress would repeal the AUMF.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: I'm absolutely for that. But I think just in terms
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: of the leaning on executive action, not waiting for Congress. No,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not. We're not going to let Republicans obstruct us
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: to death ever again.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: I have a different take on this. Let's hear it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: I'm fine with continuing to have a broad-based definition of
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: executive power because Congress is paralyzed. I think in 2028,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Democrats should run on an agenda that makes the president
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: more accountable for their actions. We should support making the
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Hatch Act apply to the president. We should have a
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: legal solution where it sets out where presidents can be
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: prosecuted to sort of hem in the immunity decision. We
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: should pass laws that say presidents can't have meme coins,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: stable coins. There's like a whole set of things that
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: we should Trump has found all these loopholes in the system.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: He has exploited them mightily. It is in our interest
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: to be... We're not going to ever take advantage of
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: those things, hopefully. So we should run to close all
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: those loopholes. I think it should be a big part
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: of our agenda. And I think a president... Lie about it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Not do it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: I think you should do them and not do the
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: meme coin. I think it's not going to be that hard.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Look, we're in this sort of vicious circle where it's
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: like tails they win, heads we lose, which is... you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: we abide by all these structures that slow down government,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: restrict the president's ability to operate, then Republicans come in,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: they can do whatever the fuck they want. Like we can't,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: we can't prove to people that government can work effectively
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: and like serve their interests if we're so hemmed in
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: when we finally have power. But at the same time,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I do think the presidency has been, is now this
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: sort of symbol of total government failure. And the only
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: antidote to that is not reforms that make Congress more
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: effective or make the agencies move more quickly, but just
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: to accrue more power to the president. And it's a
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: kind of, It's a tough spot for Democrats to be in.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: But I think Tommy is right. We first and foremost
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: need to prove to people that government can work within
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: the bounds of the law, within the structures provided by Congress,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: but that it can be dynamic and effective and fast moving.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And I think for a long time, Democrats weren't willing
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: to kind of ruffle feathers, break through walls in a
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: way that proved that to people. And I think that's
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: like the first order priority.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, a little bit glib, but I do
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: think like and obviously like I would love to I
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: would do like common sense ethics reforms. But I do
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: think like Trump with like Doge, for example, it was
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: ineffective and stupid, but it made him look like he
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: was active in doing things and actually cutting spending. I
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: think we have to figure out our version of something
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: like that that makes us look like we're not just
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: going to get obstructed.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Like there needs to be like a little bit of
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: that kind of like fast moving energy with like, you know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: a moral and like ethical and ideological goal we support.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: There's somewhere between the lawyers stopping everything from happening and
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: having the judges stop everything you tried to do. And Trump,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: we Democrats have erred on the former and Trump has
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: fallen into the latter.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I would probably pass legislation or try to pass legislation
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: to Trump proof the bureaucracy and independent agencies just give
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: a little more protection just based on what the courts
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: have ruled so far. You know, the courts have sort
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: of stood up to Trump on some of the deportation stuff,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: but they are not standing up to Trump on like
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: firing except for the Fed, I guess. firing heads of
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: independent agencies, knowing that some of these independent agencies are
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: going to be like Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, right? We
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: want to protect that beyond the next Democratic president, next
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: time there's a Republican. So I would try to push
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: for reforms there. And then maybe clean up the Insurrection Act,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the Alien Enemies Act. So make sure that if we
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: get another Republican president, those aren't on the table.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Let me get rid of that one. You're overlooking our
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: big win on the P-Club.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: What's the P-Club?
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: The President's Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board. Oh, we
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: won on P-Club? A federal judge. Trump fired two Dems
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: on that board. The federal judge said, no, no, no, no.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Who were the Dems, Tommy?
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Were they friends of yours? I don't know, man. A
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: couple of clobs, you know?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Let's do a rapid response video on our big wins
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: on the P-Club board.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I think Tommy just did.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Travis LeBlanc and Edward Felton.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I think that's going to go viral.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, good.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Eddie.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: All right, from Dan Levy. Suppose you somehow had the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: opportunity to interview Trump. How would you approach it? Would
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you ask tough questions and criticize his record? Or would
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: you try to butter him up and trick him into
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: saying something harmful, i.e. the quiet part out loud?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: All right. You know what? Honestly, we're going to have
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: a little ceremony. We're going to bury that phrase in
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: the ground. There's no more. How is anyone hearing any
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: quiet parts? It's all loud all the time.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Didn't have that on my bingo card. Bury that one
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Louder for the people in the back.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Okay. I would go with some simple questions. I think
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: the Kristi Noem, what is habeas corpus example is kind
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: of how I would go with Trump. Like, what does
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: the emoluments clause say, sir? And then when he inevitably
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: flips out, I just want one journalist to be like,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: you're the most powerful man in the world. Your party
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: controls the entire government. Do you ever get bored of
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: bitching and whining so much? And just see what he says.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, I would goad him into losing his temper.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: But I would also make sure that he couldn't leave
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the interview.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: He could try, but the doors.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Were all locked.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: I think you want him to storm off.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Beijing Secret Service.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: No, we're just hanging out. He's just abiding by the rules. Yeah,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: but I think that goading him into losing his temper,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: especially around the jet, the corruption stuff, that's what really
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: gets him. Like, he really flipped out at Peter Alexander.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: That's great. That was a really sort of interesting moment
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: of him just being kind of like, he had just
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: shown his little videos and he wanted questions about the
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: videos and Peter went right to the plane. He's like,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I just, it was like a show and tell kind
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: of thing.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a presentation. Dan, what would you do?
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: I would pick one subject and stick to it. I
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: think one of the problems with this is these reporters
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: go in, they feel like they have to ask him
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: about everything. Like just in the example with the Terry
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Moran interview where Donald Trump is seeming like a complete
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: lunatic lying or being completely misled about a picture with
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: fake tattoos that he tweeted out of the Oval Office.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: And Terry Moran is like, I hear you. I hear
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: your lies, but I got to get to Ukraine. I
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: got to get to Ukraine. I hear the clock ticking.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: So just pick one issue, right? It could be corruption.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: It could be what's actually in the budget bill. It
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: could be his illegal deportation or something. Just pick one
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: thing and stick to it so that you can actually
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: drill down as opposed to trying to cover the waterfront
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: and you're allotted 17 minutes or whatever it is.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I also, one just thing I think has been effective
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: with him too is sometimes be like, I never said that.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Or I didn't, that's not what I said. If you
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: just have the printout of the, you know, just have
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the post, he fucking hates that. He hates being confronted
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: by his words. And if you just have, like, it's
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: right here. This is what he said. It's right here.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Dan, is the new media section of the press room
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: actually damaging or is it just kind of a weird sideshow?
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: It's a weird sideshow. It's serving the purpose that Trump wants,
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: which is to grant access to his biggest fans so
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: that they will cover him even more positively. It's not
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  Speaker 4: changing the world. It's not upending what journalism is or
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: anything like that. It's access for sycophants with large media
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: platforms and it's working the way it's intended.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's smart.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Democrats should do the same thing.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: You should.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I look forward to the next Democratic president having a
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  Speaker 1: new media section with A whole bunch of people except us.
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  Speaker 3: Four more years.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Probably the way that goes.
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  Speaker 2: I was like DMing Midas Touch to ask if we
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: could borrow their badge.
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  Speaker 5: Fuck.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: We do know Brian Tyler Cohen.
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  Speaker 2: I'm all done fast plus one.
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  Speaker 4: Please let me in.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: All right. Here's a tough one. Are there any conservative
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: commentators that you respect that And who is your least
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: favorite conservative commentator so far in Trump 2.0? And then
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: this person gives us a leading Scott Jennings.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I suppose this means conservative commentators who are still pro-Trump.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I think you have.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think we can be like Bill Kristol.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I really don't. I don't. That's not where I'm at. Like,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I really have a great deal of respect for the
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: conservatives that said no. I think it's just been interesting.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I think people's revealed themselves in the last decade about
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: what they really believed. And I really genuinely admire the
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: conservatives that walked away. But the ones that are inside
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: defending this, I just have no respect for it. There's no,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Unless, maybe there's some that are better
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: than others, but it's hard for me to judge.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: We have Fox on all day long and it's just
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: sort of whatever the talking points of the day are,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: whichever host is on, we'll repeat them. Like in 2018,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: the claims that there was a white genocide in South
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Africa and white farmers were being exterminated was cabined off
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: to the Tucker Carlson hour of Fox News. Now that
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Trump is talking about it, it's on every single show.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: That doofus sports guy, Will Kane, like everybody's just repeating
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: that talking point, right? So I have the least respect
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: for those useful idiots. I don't respect them, but I
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: find it interesting that Laura Loomer, Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: are all willing to be critical of Trump on certain
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: issues and at certain points. Again, I don't like them.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: I think they're bad people who do and say terrible
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: things and are dishonest, but they speak truth to power
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: more than like the bozos, you know, Laura Ingraham.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It is interesting where there's a lot of people
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: who are for whatever Trump is for, because they didn't
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: really have that strong of an ideology. They really want
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: power and money, success, whatever it is. So they just
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: go along with what Trump wants. And then there are
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: the people that really did have an ideological agenda they
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: cared about, to whom they view Trump as useful. And
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: it's where that pops up. You have these House Freedom
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Caucus members, a lot of them went along with this bill,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: but someone like Thomas Massey is willing to go on
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the floor and say, this is still a bad bill
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: and you can't convince me otherwise. Like there is, you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: that speaks to a genuine belief that that person has.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's wrong, but. Then he voted for it.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: No, didn't Massey vote no.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Did Thomas Massey vote no?
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought they got all. No. Who's now?
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: It was two of them, Massey and someone else.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Anyway, sorry. I think Massey was trying to raise money
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: off of.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: That's right. Trump went after him.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Dan, you said that you respect Scott Jennings?
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you misheard me. I agree with Lovett.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: There's none of them that I respect in any way, shape,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: or form. It is interesting. But the people I respect
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: less are the Fox News people, and Brett Baier in particular.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: The fact that we're in a world where Laura Loomer
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: has more journalistic integrity than Brett Baier is something that
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: I would hope would keep Brett Baier up at night
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: in his very, very large mansion in Palm Beach, but
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: I suspect it doesn't.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Brett Baier, like he really has become like kind of
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: the lead Pravda guy at Fox News. He is the
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: house organ. And it's not just that he interviews Trump.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: He interviews a cabinet official every other night for some
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: sort of gauzy one hour thing. And when Trump went
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: to the UAE in Qatar, he interviewed the prime minister
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: and gave them both kind of like softball, hour long, whatever,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: like specials.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Do you think that the reason the Palm Beach houses
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: of these Fox News anchors keep getting bigger is because
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: they're like the Winchester widow and They need to sleep
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: in a different bed each night to evade the ghosts
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: that haunt them for what they've done and from which
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: they've reaped their great rewards.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I was thinking that.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: This was my first thought this morning.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking that.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: What's the Winchester widow?
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: The Winchester widow, she inherited the fortune from the Winchester
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: gun company from her husband, and she built this elaborate
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: mansion but never stopped constructing it because she would like
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: to sleep in a different room because she felt she
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: was haunted by the ghosts of the people killed by
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: the weapons.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: And so it's this maze-like structure.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Dark.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: What's the origin of the story?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: The Winchester widow. But that's it. What do you mean?
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, did someone write it?
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: You mean like where did I hear from it?
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know what fucking rattles around. I read a
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: book or I saw a TikTok.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: The latter. Yeah, it's the content people come here for.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I'm Googling it for you. Maybe it's just because I
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: listened to the interview last night. I thought Rostov did
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: a good job with JD Vance.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Did he?
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The daily part he didn't push back at all.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: This is the problem. First of all, it's a good lesson.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: doing the interview about the interview you just did.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Lame.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We've, we've thought a couple of times about like,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: should we talk about the interview after listening to five
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: minutes of the daily doing that? I was like, absolutely not.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Why am I listening to this? I should listen to
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the actual interview between Ross and JD events.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: And Ross is famously against masturbation too.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: So, well, yeah.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Can't agree with him on everything, you.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Know?
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: We're going to jerk yourself off on the daily.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: But he did, you know, he pushed J.D. Vance on
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: immigration and some other, like, oh, so you're a Catholic
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Christian and you believe this. And J.D. Vance was fucking
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: smug and awful.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I want to modulate my joke earlier, which was really
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: just about J.D. Vance being irritating. I actually want to
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: listen to the conversation. I think there's a lot of, like,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: knee-jerk Ross Douthat hate in the world that I'm not
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: a participant in. I like him.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't even know if he's like a, like,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: he's a conservative that's interesting because I don't think he's anti-Trump,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: but I don't think he's pro-Trump either.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: No, I don't put him in, I think he's, yeah, no,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I think he's an interesting, I actually don't put him
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: in that category at all.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: But Scott Jennings is definitely my least favorite. Or, maybe
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: tied with Batya Ungar Sargon.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Tough one.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Because she's sort of a new character.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Well, they're all coming off that Abby Phillips evening panel.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Poor Abby.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: She stopped booking them.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: She's doing a good job trying to deal with it.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: What's your take on blue sky? Can it be good
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: or will it discourse itself to death?
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: This seems so far up your alley, John. Let us know.
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: Oh, boy.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Are you on there? I check in once a week,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a couple times a week, just to see what's going on.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Like a wellness check?
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Like what's happening? Yeah, like a PO? What are you
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: talking about?
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, otherwise his ankle starts beeping. He's got to blow
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: into the tube and make sure, and otherwise he gets
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: in trouble.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, guys. Some of the people that
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: we like and follow a lot on Twitter are now
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: like mostly posting on Blue Sky. Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: like they're mostly there. And so I want to like
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: see what's going on. And then every time I go
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: in my mentions, there's a lot of people being like,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: you guys got to come over to Blue Sky. Tell
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: John and Tommy to come over and Dan and what's
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: going on. You know, so I go over and I'm like,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I'm always trying it out. I went yesterday and people
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: are very mad. love it that you and i are
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: hosting a uh jake tapper alex yeah i didn't mean
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: to bring that up book event um little do they
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: know that jake might actually come on the pod but
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: uh like just so i i sort of tweeted something
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: or posted or skeeted skeeted something about it and then
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: my mentions really flooded with just someone told me to
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: throw myself down a mine shaft.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Uh That seems more like Twitter energy.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: It is Twitter. Yeah, totally Twitter energy. And then they're like, fuck,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: go back to the Nazi site. So there's a lot
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: of that. And then there's a lot of nice people
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: that are like, here's what you need to do. And
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: then someone told me that there is a way to
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: filter out all the mentions from people that you don't
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: follow on there, which you can do on Twitter. And
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: it improved my Twitter experience.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Delete it from your phone.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: They didn't have it at first in Blue Sky, but
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: now I did that. And I think, man, I don't know,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: maybe I'll give it another whirl.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Sarah Longwell was talking. I was listening to Sarah and
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Tim talk. and JVL talking on the bulwark. And she
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: was saying how she's been trying to avoid consuming, trying
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: to like not consume as much opinion and more straight
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: facts so that she can know that she's forming her
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: own opinions. And I've just been, I've been feeling just like,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know, just the relentlessness of Trump, the kind
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: of onslaught of it. Like I've been feeling my inability
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: to focus getting worse in the last couple of weeks.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: And so I took Twitter off my phone again because
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I am trying to just like, let me just read
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: the stories and show up. And you know what? If
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, it's like, I just, I don't
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: want to like run my opinions through the machine as
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: much as I've been doing. So I like took it
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: off my phone for a while.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: See how that goes. Okay.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: And Tommy, you're not skeeting anytime soon.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Never signed up for it. Everything I hear about it
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: makes me feel like that was the right decision.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Can I defend Blue Sky for a second?
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: I just like, like I would love an alternative to Twitter,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: but I just don't want to deal with like lib
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: on leftist violence all day long. It sounds like that's
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: what it is.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Here's where Blue Sky I think can be most useful
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: is all of our Twitter feeds, everyone we've followed over
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: the 10 or so years we've been on Twitter is
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: such a disaster now that you can kind of start
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: fresh in Blue Sky. I don't post there very often,
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: but I do look at it and I basically just
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: only follow reporters. And it is actually a much better
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: way when something happens to just go to your following
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: tab on Blue Sky, which is just all reporters that
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: I followed in the last couple of years here. And
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: you just get people telling you what's happening in the
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: news it is that is the closest thing to the
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: twitter 2011 2012 experience of it as a in real
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: time news site this is a general rule whether it
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: is twitter blue sky don't read your mentions john It's like,
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: I see your mentions sometimes because I see your tweets
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: and they're not, I'll tell you, you're not getting a
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: better experience on X. I'll tell you that right now.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying. That's why, oddly enough, my
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: experience on X has been better for the last several
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: months than blue sky.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Because you have your blinders on.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I hid the mentions on X.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: You need your blue sky blinders too.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: But I also, to that point about the news and
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Sarah's point, I made a list on Twitter that's called
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Just News and it's just following reporters because I have
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the same thing. It's like sometimes you just want the
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: latest news and you don't want people's opinions.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Do you have a feed on your whatever they call
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: TweetDeckNow site that's just like people you want to fight with?
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: It's like Stephen Miller, J.D. Vance, Mark Davis.
• 40:23
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  Speaker 1: heard about them from our show. All right. Another question.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I can't figure out how to use AI in my day-to-day.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I don't want to fall behind, but I just can't
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: find a good use for it. Do you guys use it?
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Any tips on how it's useful or how I can
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: get started?
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: This is a much better question. Google search. Google's terrible now.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: It's been ruined. And I don't know whether it's perplexity
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: or chat GPT or whatever. Pick your poison. Claude.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Llama. It's really hard to keep them all straight.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Porcupine. Whatever the fuck these things are. They're all
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: just better.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Hedgehog.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Hedgehog. Hogwild.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: That's a different site.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: You can draw a funny picture. I tried to make
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: an only Dan's logo. I'll see if I can pull
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: it up here. It wasn't that good. So the visual
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: part is not there yet.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Only dance? I like it.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I'll show you. I use it as Google. It's a
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: better Google.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like really kind of viewing it as more
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: like of a novelty that I'm experimenting with and throwing
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: things in there to see what comes out. I don't
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: use it as a Google that often. I find it
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: useful to me in moments where I'm stuck. Like if
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: you're just stuck like trying to figure something out, it'll
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: like break out of it like Wow, that is a,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: that is a.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Why is that Dan, that's like Dan crossed with Scott Jennings.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: It's really strange. It's AI.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we, yeah. No, no, we got that it
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: was AI for sure. That's the conversation we're having.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Well, that's why it doesn't look like him.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't look like him yet, but it will.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: And so like there was a couple of days ago,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I was like trying to write a description of something
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: and it was a tough thing to hit the tone right.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: And I was just like struggling. And so I just
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: said like, hey, help me, help me come up with
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: a sentence or two to help describe this. And it's for,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: it's for an upcoming series we're going to do. And
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I didn't use basically any of it, but it gave
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: me like one sentence that was like smarter than what
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I had come up with myself, to be honest.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, that works.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Let me take that. And then I can write something
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: to it to, to, to, to figure it out. It
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: like kind of, I think it's like a, it's a
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: block obliterator, you know, it'll just like throw it'll it's relentless.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: So you can just get a bunch of ideas and
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: maybe you grab one and then you can keep working,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: keep writing, think of something. But Other than that, I
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: haven't yet really cracked why.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's helping people move faster.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: I use it all day, every day.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: What's your preferred? I use it for Google. I never
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: Google anything anymore. I will ask it very specific questions
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: to find answers to. I will use it to synthesize data.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: I will upload a large poll and ask it for
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: a set of findings to answer certain questions or test
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: the premise. I will use it. I never use it
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: for writing per se, but I will use it the
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: same way you do love, which is like, I am stuck.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to write something. And I'm, it's like, you've
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: used the same descriptive word like three times and you're
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: trying to like, what's another way to say this?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I use that.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: I will, I will upload a full message box and
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: I will ask for 10 title suggestions and almost never
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: do I end up using the ones they actually have,
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: but it always helps me like figure, figure it out. Um, yeah,
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: I use it for, I use it for a lot
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: of research. Um, And to really synthesize large data sets
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: into easily understandable things. And you can use it to make,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: I'm not very good at this, but to use it
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: to make charts and graphics.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: The part that I find troubling about it still is like,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: let's say you ask it a question about the news.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: And most of the time it's giving you a useful
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: synthesis of various articles.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: And that's great.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: But it's trained on certain data sets. And one of
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: them is that Joe Biden, a lot of what it
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: was trained on was a time when Joe Biden was president.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: And so you'll ask it a question and you'll be like,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: wait a second. this answer still thinks Joe Biden is president.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: And so like, oh, wow, it's really, if you were
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: working with someone day to day.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: It was Mike Donilon.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: And it was Mike Donilon. It was, yeah, I'm sorry.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I'm using Mike Donilon 4.7. But if you were working
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: with somebody and they were really, really smart, but every
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: once in a while thought it was 1997, you'd be like, oh, you,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I can't trust you.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: So that's what makes me nervous.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: I make it double check. It's where I make it
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: double check.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: It's all the time. Yeah.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: Are you sure this is correct?
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: It's so obnoxious.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: It's going to hate me.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm about to say this on a podcast. Are
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: you sure?
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I saw something that really kind of like was, I
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: tried it and it was, it was interesting. I got, again,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: this is just like just coming up with questions to
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: ask to kind of learn about it. But it said, um,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: you don't just ask it a question. You say assemble
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: a group of experts to help me answer this question. Um,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: assemble a marketing person, a political person, a strategist, uh,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: an expert on YouTube, have them meet and discuss this question.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and decide on an answer together and show me what
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: they did. And they have a meeting. And then you
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: reply and you say.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Do you give them a lunch break?
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: You reply and you say, all right, this is a
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: great first draft, but remember, this whole team gets fired
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: if it's not perfect. And they're like, all right, back
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: to the drawing board, everybody.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Here we go.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: We got to really pull off.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: A great meeting.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Wow, you're into it.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: I'm learning. I also use it for recipes all the time. Like,
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: I want to make this because it's very... what it
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: allows you to do is like, well, I don't have this.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: And then I'll give you a new version with the
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: thing you have.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: That's good.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: You can, I've, I've read you can do it. So
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: I've never done it. You can take a picture of
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: your fridge, upload the chat GPT, and it'll offer things
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: based on what's in your fridge, what you can cook.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: I've never done it, but I've read that that's something
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: you can do.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Creepy though. All right.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Next question. Tommy and John, any comments on the Celtics demise? Dan,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: any comments on the 76ers? Whatever is going on with them?
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I only caught, let's see, the first game where we
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: blew a 20-point lead, and then I tuned in right
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: before Jason Tatum got hurt. That's it. That's all I
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: had for the Celtics.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so our best player is out for at least
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: a year. I mean, it's an Achilles, so you wouldn't
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: bring him back at this point. Our two best players
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: both got Supermax contracts. Dan, do you understand the NBA
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: salary cap? I don't. There's something called the second apron.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: We're apparently above that, and there's a bunch of restrictions.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: So we're at the unravel.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: You have to get below the second apron, because if
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: you're on the second apron two years in a row,
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: in addition to having a giant half-billion-dollar tax payment, you
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: also have real restrictions about what players you can sign,
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: how you can use your various cap slots. And so
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: they have to get below it, because they have to
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: trade some of the members on the team, most likely
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: True Holiday or Kristaps Porzingis.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Who's at the, yeah, he's at the, he also had
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: a weird health thing. So we're fucked. We're at the
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: end of this little run.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: I don't think draft Kings or FanDuel, whoever like me
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: make this bet right now, but I would put a
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: hundred dollars down right now that the Celtics will win
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: the 2026 NBA draft lottery.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, cause you think it's rigged?
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Like Dallas.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's, maybe it's rigged by God. That's possible. It's not,
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: but every time that something like this happens, this is
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: how the Spurs got Tim Duncan. It's how the, Matt's
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: got Cooper flag. It's how miraculously the six weeks after
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: Anthony Davis left New Orleans, they, they got Zion Williamson.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: So this would be my, this is a bet I'd
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: be willing to make.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: It's interesting. Cause it would make sense to me that
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: the same God rigging a draft for the Celtics would
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: be the one that made Donald Trump president. That's true.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: It's a good point. It's a solid time. Tough, but fair.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Boston.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: From Kat Cienk, Catsy and cats? Anyway.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Cats and cats.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Cats and cats? Catsy and cats? Is there anyone in
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: the cricket office who beats fabs for screen time? Is
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: there a dark horse we're unaware of?
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Probably. I got some.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: It's Elijah, right?
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: It's Elijah. It's Austin. I believe it is two of
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: the other hosts of this podcast. The only one who
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: gets off here is Lovett.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: I got off here in all kinds of places. I.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing, Dan, because I am on text chains with
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Dan so often that I know he must be looking
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: at screens. And Tommy is just as bad as me.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: He just described about his Tucker Carlson interview in the evening.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: It was dark.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: That was deep research.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: That was deep research.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Do you want to defend yourself, Dan?
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: I'm online way too much. There's no question about that.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: The difference is you're just now become such a poster.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: It's like we always know when you're online. You're always posting.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Always be posting. Always be posting. This is from Love
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: It Always Cracks Me Up. What a surprise that Love
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: It chose this question. I like the question.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: I like the question.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: What are your favorite RPGs of all time?
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Love It Cracks Me Up.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Here's my list.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: This is the only notes I took for this whole record.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: You hung back for the rest.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Bloodborne, I did. Demon's Souls. Dark Souls 3, Elden Ring.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Those are all part of the kind of From Software universe.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: I love Skyrim. I love Fallout, some of those games.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Dishonored is not technically an RPG. I think it's RPG adjacent,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: but I really like the world building. Deus Ex Human
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Revolution was a great game. Diablo 3, Diablo 4 are
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: on the list, but I do think those games are
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: basically a kind of drug and are dangerous. They're dangerous.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: They grab you. They don't let you go.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: They hook you with the serotonin loop. Not an RPG,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: but Subnautica is a great game. that's about building up
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: your abilities. It has some RPG vibes, even though it's
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: obviously not an RPG. And then I am very excited
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: to play Baldur's Gate 3 and Disco Elysium.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I used to like RPGs when I was a Nintendo kid.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: And then I liked your Final Fantasies, your Chrono Triggers.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Old school.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was legitimate.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: And then I stopped in college.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: I played Skyrim and Fallout in an earlier period of
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: my life.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: That's great, Dan. I like those games. I really got
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: into Skyrim.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Last question. Based on the internet debate of could 100
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: men kill a gorilla without weapons, Crooked has about 100 employees.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Could the Crooked staff kill a gorilla?
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Not in a million years.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: Nor would they.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Nor would they. Here's the thing. Look, I love our...
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Crooked... What I'm about to say is
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: going to... You're going to have to bear with what
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: This is the one you didn't prepare for.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I love how many different parts of the pride flag
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: are represented at this company. But I do think it
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: puts us at a disadvantage against the gorilla. I'm sorry.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: I just think that we've got to put a lot
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: of our he-hims at the front. and some of our,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: and a lot of our, just gotta get those he-hims
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: up ahead. Sorry, we're sending in the he-hims, and the
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: she-hers and the they-thems, we're gonna hang back.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: And then yeah.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: You know what, I wouldn't put too much stock in
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: the he-hims. As one of them, I don't think I would.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: My actual view on the defeating of the gorilla is
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: it's actually not about whether the gorilla loses, the gorilla
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: will lose. It's about whether you are one of the
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: first five to 10 humans to go into that fight.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: A couple of people are going down and they're going
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: down hard. A gorilla can lift like 2000 pounds. Gorillas
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: are strong, but a hundred of us, we're going to
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: beat the gorilla, but we're just going to take some
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: pretty heavy losses early on.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: That's the problem. That's what's going to happen.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say. Arms are going to be ripped off,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: faces torn apart. It's going to be an ugly battle,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: but we're going to tire that gorilla out.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: We're going to be able to coordinate using what? Language.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: If I had a hundred Aaron Donalds and the first
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: 50 were ready to die, maybe.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: But like you would need a hundred Aaron Donald's to
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: beat one gorilla.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: I think you have to send waves of 10 to
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: gang up on it.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: Uh, and why wouldn't you send all 100 at a time?
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Because there's not that much surface area. Yeah.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think you definitely need at least 10
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: to move in at once. But I just think then
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: the grill is going down. It's luck of the draw.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Who are we sending first to the gorilla?
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: What?
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Who are we sending first? Yeah. Carol's good. I think
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Ben Hethcote could.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: Fuck up that gorilla. Yeah, well, he does have an impression.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Is he here?
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Who's not here?
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: We'll send them.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: I got a follow-up from Love It Actually. No, sorry,
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: this is from the Lovedest Show on Earth. What if
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: it was 100 gorilla-sized ducks?
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: 100 gorilla-sized ducks. Well, I think it's 100 gorilla-sized. Oh,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: my God.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: That's a big duck.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: That's a big duck.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of them, too.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: We're fucked in that.
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: I think you could beat the ducks. I don't think
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: you could beat 100 duck-sized gorillas, though.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: 100 ducks.
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: It's like Ant-Man, sort of.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Is it one person versus 100 gorilla ducks?
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Or is it each staff get a duck-sized gorilla?
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: That's actually the Christmas present. It's the holiday present this year.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you, either way, we're going to hear about
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: it from the union. It's going to be a tough one.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: It's not in the job description. That would be a
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: tough ask.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: The CBA specifies that they are not supposed to go first.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: There's no animal combat.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, senior staff going at the gorilla first.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: I noticed no one from senior staff was in the
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: first wave going at the gorilla. No senior producers going
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: in first.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Thank you for your questions, everyone.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Scab gorilla.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Big thanks to all of our Friends of the Pod
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: subscribers for sending in questions. We'll be back with a
• 57:03
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