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Murder In Moscow: Criminologist Casey Jordan Gives Her Take On The Murders · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Criminologist
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  Speaker 1: Casey Jordan did an interview with Brian Enten over at
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  Speaker 1: News Nation and he was discussing who this killer might
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  Speaker 1: be as far as a profile. And I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was a pretty interesting interview. So today we have an
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  Speaker 1: article from Newsweek that is discussing this interview. Headline, Idaho murderer,
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  Speaker 1: a predator psychopath who could kill again. Criminologist. This article
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  Speaker 1: was authored by Julia Carbonaro. Now remember, folks, all of
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  Speaker 1: this gets taken with a grain of salt. This is
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  Speaker 1: just speculation on Mr. Jordan's part. He is not part
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  Speaker 1: of this investigation. He's not working behind the scenes. But
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  Speaker 1: he is a professional criminologist who builds profiles on killers
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  Speaker 1: and psychopaths. And what he had to offer here was
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  Speaker 1: pretty interesting. And it jives with what I think as well.
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  Speaker 1: If this isn't somebody who is in their circle, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because that usually it's the likeliest option is somebody that's
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  Speaker 1: close to them, somebody that knows them. But that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean that it's always somebody that knows them or somebody
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  Speaker 1: who is in their circle. And nothing about this case
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  Speaker 1: has been normal. Nothing about this investigation has been by
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  Speaker 1: the book. So I wouldn't be shocked at all if
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  Speaker 1: we come to find out later on down the road
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  Speaker 1: that this was some psychopath who committed these crimes and
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't a crime of passion and it wasn't somebody
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  Speaker 1: who was stalking these girls per se like a college
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  Speaker 1: stalker or something. It was a legit psychopath. I would
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  Speaker 1: not be shocked one bit if we find that information
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  Speaker 1: out later on. On the flip side of that, I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked either. if we do find out that
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  Speaker 1: it was a crime of passion. Because we just don't
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  Speaker 1: have enough details, one way or the other, as the public,
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  Speaker 1: at least that I have seen, that would make me say, alright, look,
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  Speaker 1: this is definitely what went down. Because there's just not
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  Speaker 1: enough out there. As the case of four murdered University
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho students, now in its sixth week, remains unsolved,
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  Speaker 1: a criminologist shared her theory that the suspect, might be
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  Speaker 1: a predator psychopath. Talking to News Nation on Thursday, criminologist
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  Speaker 1: Casey Jordan, who has recently made several media appearances to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the quadruple murder, said that the lack of
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  Speaker 1: clues in the case might suggest that the suspect didn't
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  Speaker 1: personally know the four victims. And that makes a lot
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  Speaker 1: of sense to me, considering how good the technology is,
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  Speaker 1: and considering how many agents are working on this case,
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  Speaker 1: and considering how small of a place Moscow is. You
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  Speaker 1: would think that if it was somebody in their circle
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  Speaker 1: or somebody in their orbit, that they would have already
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  Speaker 1: been found. Again, take a look at what happened in
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  Speaker 1: Stockton recently with the Stockton serial killer who was shooting
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  Speaker 1: homeless people. After it was brought to the attention of
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  Speaker 1: the authorities and they dove into some of the forensics
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  Speaker 1: and some of the evidence, they were able to find
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  Speaker 1: the person who was responsible pretty quickly. And he was
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  Speaker 1: killing strangers. So if it's somebody in your circle, somebody
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  Speaker 1: close to you, and there's any evidence at all, usually
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  Speaker 1: they'll be able to track that relatively quickly. If it's
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  Speaker 1: not solved in the first 48 hours or in the
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  Speaker 1: first week, we are losing a bit of hope of
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  Speaker 1: solving the case. Because for me, the longer it takes
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  Speaker 1: for them to isolate a suspect or to get any
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  Speaker 1: kind of lead, the more likely it is to be
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  Speaker 1: somebody who is a stranger predator, Jordan said. And that
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  Speaker 1: just seems like the logical way to go, right? If
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  Speaker 1: it was somebody that they knew, somebody that somebody could
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  Speaker 1: have pointed to, you would think that with all of
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  Speaker 1: the investigators swarming over Moscow, that they would have wrapped
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  Speaker 1: somebody up by now. And the fact that they have
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  Speaker 1: no suspect, the fact that there's no people of interest,
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  Speaker 1: at least that we know about, well, we have to
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  Speaker 1: start thinking that perhaps this was, after all, just a
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  Speaker 1: random attack by a psychopath. Because if it was somebody
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  Speaker 1: known to the students or in the area, far more
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  Speaker 1: likely they would have had leads and had made an
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  Speaker 1: arrest by now. Or at least they would have told
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  Speaker 1: us that they have a person of interest. And this
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  Speaker 1: really tracks with me because following along with these cases
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  Speaker 1: throughout history, past few years, that's usually how it goes down.
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  Speaker 1: And if it's somebody close, it doesn't take very long
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  Speaker 1: for them to figure that out usually and at the
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  Speaker 1: very least have a person of interest. You know, somebody
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  Speaker 1: they've brought in multiple times to interview somebody that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's a leak from the department. Yep. This is the
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  Speaker 1: person we're looking at. And there has been nothing like
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  Speaker 1: that in this case. So we can go several different
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  Speaker 1: ways with that, right? One way, the police are just
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  Speaker 1: doing great investigative work and they're keeping everything close to
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  Speaker 1: their vest. The flip side of that, well, they have
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  Speaker 1: nothing and that's why they're not offering anything up. Six
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  Speaker 1: weeks after the bodies of students Ethan Chapin, Zanna Kernodle,
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  Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Gonsalves were found in an off-campus
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  Speaker 1: rental home in Moscow, Idaho on November 13th, the police
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  Speaker 1: have not found the murder, weapon, or have they identified
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  Speaker 1: a suspect or a motive. According to the county coroner
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  Speaker 1: who examined the victims' bodies, the students were likely attacked
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  Speaker 1: and stabbed to death while they were asleep. Some presented
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  Speaker 1: defensive wounds. Now, I don't know how much faith I
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  Speaker 1: have in this coroner. When you do a little research
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  Speaker 1: about her, she's not even a medical doctor. So she's
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  Speaker 1: out here talking about this one got stabbed or that
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  Speaker 1: one got stabbed. This one was asleep. That one was awake.
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  Speaker 1: What makes her qualified to make those decisions or make
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  Speaker 1: those assertions? If she's not a medical doctor, I mean, really?
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  Speaker 1: Moscow police, supported in the investigations by Idaho State Police
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  Speaker 1: and the FBI, have received thousands of tips from the
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  Speaker 1: public and is currently processing them, hoping to find a
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  Speaker 1: crucial clue that will help them crack the case. Based
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  Speaker 1: on the lack of clues surrounding the quadruple murder, Jordan
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  Speaker 1: speculated that, from the onset, the attack would look like
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  Speaker 1: the psychology of a predator similar to a serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: She specified, that she doesn't necessarily think the suspect or
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  Speaker 1: suspects have killed before, but she wouldn't be surprised if
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  Speaker 1: this person does it again. And that's certainly something that
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  Speaker 1: is a fear. Anybody following cases like this, and you
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  Speaker 1: have an unknown assailant out there who has killed four people,
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  Speaker 1: you have to think that they're capable of doing it again.
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  Speaker 1: And the probability of them killing again is pretty high.
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  Speaker 1: You know how it is, you get away with something,
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  Speaker 1: you want to keep doing it, right? Oh, they can't
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  Speaker 1: catch me, you become brazen. And if they have the,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the psychology of a serial killer or of
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  Speaker 1: a psychopath, which it certainly seems they do, what would
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  Speaker 1: stop them from killing again? That's the real question. We
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  Speaker 1: don't see homicides like this. Four people stabbed, not shot,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not a family, so it's not family annihilation,
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  Speaker 1: she added. It doesn't appear to be a pseudo-commando, a
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  Speaker 1: premeditated mass murder driven by the killer's revenge fantasies, just
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  Speaker 1: based on what we know about the crime scene. So
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  Speaker 1: if there was a family annihilation, that would make more sense. Gruesome,
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  Speaker 1: but it makes sense. Somebody has a problem with a family,
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  Speaker 1: a drug debt, somebody has whatever the perceived beef is,
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  Speaker 1: and they come in and murder a whole family. We
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  Speaker 1: have certainly seen that before, but with a knife? Like this,
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  Speaker 1: in such a brutal fashion? Nah, this isn't very typical, folks.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't the kind of case where you can go
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  Speaker 1: back and look at the annals of history and pull
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  Speaker 1: out a bunch of cases that are relevant to what
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  Speaker 1: we have going on here. And I think that's why
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people find it confounding as far as
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  Speaker 1: what went down. Jordan said that if the quadruple murder
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  Speaker 1: had been driven by revenge, we would have a suspect
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  Speaker 1: by now. Moscow police had initially stated that the attack
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  Speaker 1: was targeted. And I definitely agree with her 1000% here.
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  Speaker 1: I think that if it was somebody in the circle,
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  Speaker 1: somebody close to them, hell, somebody who lived in Moscow,
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  Speaker 1: they'd be outed by now. The Moscow community, you don't
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  Speaker 1: think that they're on high alert? You don't think that
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  Speaker 1: they're paying attention to their neighbors and their friends and
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  Speaker 1: everybody around them? And furthermore, where's the Elantra? Did it
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  Speaker 1: just up and disappear? Because if it was in Moscow,
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  Speaker 1: you would definitely think that somebody would be wise to it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so-and-so has that Elantra. Have they come forward yet? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: they haven't? So without any of that occurring, it certainly
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  Speaker 1: leads me down the road, and not fully, obviously, I
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  Speaker 1: always wait for all of the evidence, but to this
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  Speaker 1: being a stranger who attacked them. But now they're not sure,
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  Speaker 1: Jordan told News Nation. When we see killings like this,
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  Speaker 1: it seems to be based usually in fantasy. And since
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  Speaker 1: there was no sexual assault, it's not what we would
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  Speaker 1: consider to be hedonistic lust more likely to be thrill-based.
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  Speaker 1: And that is just insane to think about. Imagine just
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  Speaker 1: killing people for the thrill of it. Imagine what kind
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  Speaker 1: of lunatic you have to be to think it's a
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  Speaker 1: good idea to kill a bunch of people for the
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  Speaker 1: thrill of it. According to Jordan, the suspect could be
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  Speaker 1: somebody who is not killing out of an extreme frenetic emotion,
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  Speaker 1: but possibly who feels no emotion. Somebody who may be
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  Speaker 1: completely psychopathic to the extent that they want to know
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  Speaker 1: what it feels like to kill four young people and
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  Speaker 1: get away with it. And if they like that feeling,
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  Speaker 1: you can be sure they might think about doing it again.
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  Speaker 1: And that's where I fall right now for sure. I
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  Speaker 1: really believe that whoever did this is more than capable
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  Speaker 1: of doing it again. And wherever they might be, Moscow
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  Speaker 1: or a community near you, they pose a risk for
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  Speaker 1: everybody around them. Questioned by News Nation's Brian Enten earlier
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  Speaker 1: on the same show, Moscow Police Chief James Fry said
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  Speaker 1: they can't disclose any information about where they think the
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  Speaker 1: killer might be as they're still trying to put everything together. Now, remember,
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  Speaker 1: they know a lot more than they're leading on. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that Chief Fry has, you know, a couple
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  Speaker 1: of leads that they're chasing down. And he doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: to divulge that to the public to destroy the integrity
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  Speaker 1: of this investigation. So he's playing it real close to
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  Speaker 1: the vest. The difficult part here is to try and
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  Speaker 1: discern just how much they actually have and if that
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  Speaker 1: information that they do have is going to be relevant
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  Speaker 1: moving forward. So whenever we get the opinion of one
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  Speaker 1: of these criminologists or somebody who is building a profile
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  Speaker 1: like this, I like to add it to the catalog
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  Speaker 1: so we have as much context as possible. And hopefully
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  Speaker 1: as the context starts to pile up and the investigators
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  Speaker 1: get closer to finding a suspect and making an arrest,
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  Speaker 1: the picture will become much clearer. All right, everybody, that's
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  Speaker 1: going to do it for this one. If you'd like
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