Latest / The Bolt Report / The Bolt Report | 2 September

Transcript

The Bolt Report | 2 September · The Bolt Report

0:11
Speaker 1: It's the good report.
0:14
Speaker 2: Tonight near Nazi leader Thomas Seul abuses Victoria's premiere before
0:19
Speaker 2: it's arrested again, this time over a volid attack on
0:22
Speaker 2: an Aboriginal camp. Why does Melbourne produce so many extremists
0:27
Speaker 2: both left and right, Plus a new wind farm to
0:31
Speaker 2: save the planet, but only by ripping up hundreds of trees,
0:36
Speaker 2: And why Dan Andrews of Bob Carr are betraying Australia
0:39
Speaker 2: in my opinion by going to a big celebration tomorrow
0:43
Speaker 2: by China's Communist Party. And so much more, including footage
0:47
Speaker 2: from Gaza. The ABC would never show you you might
0:50
Speaker 2: realize you're being lied to. And Matt Canavan plus I'll
0:53
Speaker 2: tell you at the end of the show while I'll
0:56
Speaker 2: be gone for a while again bad news Today, the
1:01
Speaker 2: Albanizi government's most dangerous minister says he's going to keep
1:04
Speaker 2: doing the same but worse. Chris Bowen, the Energy and
1:09
Speaker 2: Climate Change Minister, has given an interview that's the lead
1:12
Speaker 2: story in Today's Australian. Bowen's vow to shut out green noise,
1:17
Speaker 2: which actually means shutting his ears to opinions he doesn't like,
1:21
Speaker 2: and that's killing us really, because Bowen has already closed
1:24
Speaker 2: his ears to evidence that there is no climate emergency
1:27
Speaker 2: we should be fixing, has closed his ears to the
1:30
Speaker 2: fact that nothing Australia does will make the slightest miserable
1:33
Speaker 2: difference to the climate anyway, we're so small, and is
1:37
Speaker 2: closed his ears to evidence that he's pouring billions of
1:39
Speaker 2: dollars of your money into dud green schemes. Are you
1:45
Speaker 2: just take you to the latest crusade, the one who
1:47
Speaker 2: was bragging out just yesterday again today, by the way,
1:50
Speaker 2: cheap batteries to back up your solar system.
1:54
Speaker 3: In the first two months as of today, forty three thousand,
1:58
Speaker 3: six hundred and ninety five Australian households have have installed
2:03
Speaker 3: a cheaper home battery, mister speaker. And they know and
2:06
Speaker 3: we know order that says them if they didn't have
2:09
Speaker 3: solar panels already more than two thousand dollars a year,
2:12
Speaker 3: and that puts downard pressure on process for every single Australian.
2:17
Speaker 2: I think that's a bit dishonest, because host batteries are
2:19
Speaker 2: a waste that's costing every Australian because we have to
2:24
Speaker 2: pay for the two point three billion dollars a bone
2:27
Speaker 2: is giving away to make those batteries cheaper. We are
2:30
Speaker 2: paying for the handouts, handouts that the Prime Minister boasts about.
2:35
Speaker 4: The government will pay thirty percent of the costs of
2:40
Speaker 4: anyone who puts a battery to store energy from their
2:43
Speaker 4: solar panels.
2:45
Speaker 2: The government's not paying it. We are. And the sick
2:47
Speaker 2: joke here is that even the Austraiment Energy Market Commission
2:50
Speaker 2: quietly admits of the catch is that it will take
2:53
Speaker 2: almost all the useful working life of these batteries to
2:56
Speaker 2: repay the cost. And that's if it's used in ideal condition.
3:01
Speaker 2: That it says the average payback period for a battery
3:03
Speaker 2: without any government subsidies is fourteen and a half years,
3:08
Speaker 2: but it says this can be reduced to seven point
3:10
Speaker 2: three after under the federal rebate, except, of course, add
3:15
Speaker 2: that rebate, which we pay for, and we still actually
3:19
Speaker 2: do need fortin a half years to pay it all back.
3:22
Speaker 2: Yet a home battery typically lasts only a few months
3:27
Speaker 2: longer at best the couple of years, although one's in
3:30
Speaker 2: a hot climate lasts around three years less. You won't
3:35
Speaker 2: quite pay them back with the savings. So this whole
3:38
Speaker 2: thing is sounding a bit like another green con and
3:43
Speaker 2: forget Bowen and the Prime Minister. You know they're babbling
3:47
Speaker 2: about how this green future made in Australia, batteries made
3:52
Speaker 2: in Australia, more jobs, green jobs. Look bone actually is
3:56
Speaker 2: to visit and promote the Energy Renaissance battery company up
4:01
Speaker 2: in the Hunter Valley which had got you won't believe
4:04
Speaker 2: this and three quarters of a million dollars in investment
4:09
Speaker 2: funds from coalition governments to make its batteries, and Bow's
4:13
Speaker 2: colleague ed Husick, then the Industry Minister was still spooking
4:18
Speaker 2: energy renaissances batteries just last April.
4:22
Speaker 5: We have some of the world's largest story of critical minerals,
4:25
Speaker 5: but we don't make enough of our own batteries unless,
4:28
Speaker 5: of course, your energy renaissance here in the Hunter.
4:33
Speaker 2: But as is so often, the green Way Renaissance batteries
4:37
Speaker 2: collapsed a couple of weeks ago. The receivers called in
4:40
Speaker 2: most Stuff sacked. Another battery storage develop a red flow
4:43
Speaker 2: energy failed last year too, Yet both Bowen and Prime
4:48
Speaker 2: Minister Anything the Albanize were still flogging their flat battery
4:51
Speaker 2: scheme in Parliament today.
4:54
Speaker 6: Moving on climate change is not just a challenge but
4:58
Speaker 6: it's an opportunity and that's why the Cheaper Home Batteries
5:02
Speaker 6: program for Forest has installed over forty four thousand, eight
5:07
Speaker 6: hundred and ninety five to be precise batteries in homes.
5:12
Speaker 6: We're backing renewable energy because it makes sense for our economy,
5:17
Speaker 6: the largest economic transformation since the Industrial Revolution, and we
5:22
Speaker 6: have everything we need to make the most of it
5:25
Speaker 6: right here in Australia.
5:27
Speaker 2: And we paid you and I for every one of
5:30
Speaker 2: those forty thousand batteries. And it's not going to transform anything.
5:34
Speaker 2: Companies collapsing. But what green scheme isn't in trouble under
5:37
Speaker 2: this government. I mean just about every green hydrogen scheme
5:40
Speaker 2: the governors touted and backed or even funded, claiming they
5:44
Speaker 2: were essential to go in green.
5:48
Speaker 3: Our green hydrogen future is fundamental to that clean energy
5:52
Speaker 3: future as a powerhouse.
5:54
Speaker 2: Now, that's in fact you've learned from this show. Over
5:57
Speaker 2: the years, one green hudroden scheme after another is been
6:00
Speaker 2: scrapped because green hydrogen, which is made from pumping absolutely
6:04
Speaker 2: massive amounts of wind and solar panel through water, is
6:08
Speaker 2: simply too expensive. And if you go to the CSIRO's
6:13
Speaker 2: High Resource web page, now that tracks the status of
6:17
Speaker 2: the country's hydrogen schemes, you will find o a fewer
6:20
Speaker 2: than sixty eight projects which have been it says archived,
6:24
Speaker 2: which is a lovely way to describe essentially being canceled
6:27
Speaker 2: or abandoned. Now, one last example to show you just
6:31
Speaker 2: how disastrous Bones move to green power is. I mean,
6:35
Speaker 2: it's already running seven years behind, by the way, copsing
6:39
Speaker 2: billions more than expected, although you know mentioning that there's
6:43
Speaker 2: just more noise to him. This last example is Bones
6:47
Speaker 2: plan to have massive wind farms just offshore, as I
6:51
Speaker 2: told you the other day, way to flop. The ten
6:54
Speaker 2: billion dollar big wind farm planned off Newcastle collapse last month.
7:00
Speaker 2: The big wind farm off the Hunter Valley also killed
7:03
Speaker 2: off last month again because of the cost of wind
7:05
Speaker 2: farm planned off Gippslan Victoria also gone, and last December
7:09
Speaker 2: of two billion dollar wind farm in South Australia also scrapped.
7:13
Speaker 2: On it goes, I cannot understand why this record of
7:18
Speaker 2: almost unblemished failure is not a national scandal. For one
7:25
Speaker 2: day people will wake up and it really will be,
7:27
Speaker 2: you know, tears before bedtime and the only question is
7:31
Speaker 2: how much then will it have cost you? They what
7:39
Speaker 2: have seen for decades. Now, it's how much the global
7:42
Speaker 2: warming story relies on what I think is dodgy scare tactics.
7:47
Speaker 2: I mean, really, today the Prime Minister again repeated that
7:52
Speaker 2: old claim the global warming is drowning Pacific islands.
7:56
Speaker 4: For people of Tavalu of Carabas, this is an eachabstantial
8:00
Speaker 4: threat to the very existence of their nations.
8:04
Speaker 2: Now I'm astonish Anthony abanezis is still repeating what the
8:08
Speaker 2: science that I is is simply not true. Science from
8:14
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen show that two Valus actually growing in size.
8:17
Speaker 2: It's not sinking, and so Kiribath and many islands like it,
8:21
Speaker 2: as even the ABC had to report in twenty twenty one.
8:26
Speaker 2: The most prominent expert stunning these Pacific islands sea level
8:29
Speaker 2: is Paul Kensch of Auckland University.
8:33
Speaker 7: All the islands that we're looking at on the atoll
8:35
Speaker 7: systems are comprised predominantly of the broken up coral shells
8:40
Speaker 7: and skeletons of organisms on the coral reef, which waves
8:44
Speaker 7: then sweep up and deposit on the island. The majority
8:49
Speaker 7: of islands in each of those nations has either got
8:52
Speaker 7: larger or state very similar in size.
8:56
Speaker 2: That's that is the science. So what does the Prime
8:59
Speaker 2: Minister Key repeating the scare? Joining me is our Tuesday
9:03
Speaker 2: regular commentator National Center Mat Canavan, the former Resources minister. Matt,
9:08
Speaker 2: you know, we've got farmers furious as seeing the country's
9:11
Speaker 2: vandalized by wind farms. We've got green hundreds of schemes collapsing,
9:15
Speaker 2: we've got offshore wind farms scraps. We've got a battery
9:17
Speaker 2: scheme that doesn't seem to save money. You've got polls
9:21
Speaker 2: showing the public still backs so called action on climate change.
9:25
Speaker 2: Why is that?
9:28
Speaker 1: Well, I think people will generally support something they think
9:32
Speaker 1: is a good So when it's presented to them as
9:34
Speaker 1: something that is good for the world, they'll say they back.
9:37
Speaker 8: At.
9:37
Speaker 1: The key question, though, Andrew, is how much will they
9:41
Speaker 1: pay for it? And when that question is asked very
9:44
Speaker 1: rarely by polsters, but when it's asked, the majority of
9:47
Speaker 1: Austrains are willing to pay less than two dollars a week,
9:50
Speaker 1: less than a couple of coffee a week to reach
9:54
Speaker 1: this mythical target of net zero emissions. And so I
9:58
Speaker 1: think people here in camp have been hoodwinked into believing
10:02
Speaker 1: that somehow we must do climate action because it's something
10:06
Speaker 1: people say they want. Yes, will people would love I'm
10:09
Speaker 1: sure we'd want a free battery. They want to have
10:12
Speaker 1: a three car, a free car throwing in as well,
10:14
Speaker 1: and a free house while you're at it. Let's do
10:16
Speaker 1: everything that's free in the real world. People understand there
10:19
Speaker 1: are trade offs and we'd be much better off, Especially
10:23
Speaker 1: on my side of politics, I think being more explicit
10:26
Speaker 1: about those tradeoffs, being an adult about it, not treating
10:29
Speaker 1: the Australian people like mugs. Because at every election where
10:33
Speaker 1: we've pointed out these tradeoffs, we've said that hey, this
10:37
Speaker 1: climate action is going to cost a lot of money,
10:40
Speaker 1: it's potentially going to cost a lot of jobs. We've
10:42
Speaker 1: done very very well. We've done very well at every
10:44
Speaker 1: election where we've made that point. At the elections where
10:46
Speaker 1: we've rolled over and played the game a bit like
10:50
Speaker 1: our opponents in the labor side, I would say and
10:53
Speaker 1: just say, look, you can have everything. You can have
10:56
Speaker 1: lower taxes, you can have more government spending, and you
10:59
Speaker 1: can have lower emission as well. When we try and
11:01
Speaker 1: play that game, it doesn't resonate with the people that
11:04
Speaker 1: would typically support what should be a pragmatic and practical
11:08
Speaker 1: center right party in this country, Mate.
11:11
Speaker 2: Matt, how often have I said? And so obvious you
11:14
Speaker 2: cannot win an argument that you don't dare put It's
11:18
Speaker 2: pretty simple. Barnaby Joyce has a really put up a
11:21
Speaker 2: bill in the House of Reps to scrap the net
11:24
Speaker 2: zero target. Now you are putting up your own bill
11:27
Speaker 2: in the Senate to do exactly the same way as there.
11:31
Speaker 8: Well it is.
11:32
Speaker 1: I got to give credit to my colleague Barnaby Joyce.
11:34
Speaker 1: It's taking his bill and putting it into the Senate.
11:37
Speaker 1: I'm doing that because I believe the Australian people deserve
11:40
Speaker 1: a debate on this. As we've just said, we've rolled
11:42
Speaker 1: over on this the last two elections. They haven't had
11:44
Speaker 1: a choice. There's been no election where the Australian people
11:47
Speaker 1: have had a real choice between both major political parties
11:51
Speaker 1: on whether to do net zero or not. So the
11:53
Speaker 1: Parliament's the best opportunity to do that outside of an election.
11:56
Speaker 1: So I support my colleague Barnaby Joyce. When he told
11:59
Speaker 1: me he wanted to draft some legislation to repeal net
12:02
Speaker 1: zero a few weeks ago, my immediate reaction was, why
12:07
Speaker 1: didn't I think of that first? But He had the
12:10
Speaker 1: idea first, so I let him run with it. He's
12:13
Speaker 1: had enough time in the sun, so to speak. And
12:15
Speaker 1: now it's time for US senators to get stuck in
12:17
Speaker 1: as well.
12:19
Speaker 2: Well. They's sure going to put the Liberals on the hook.
12:23
Speaker 2: They're really going to have to decay pretty fast where
12:25
Speaker 2: there you go on this one, aren't they? I mean, wow,
12:29
Speaker 2: we are supposed to really to wait a whole year
12:31
Speaker 2: for them to make up their own Matt. Honestly, the
12:33
Speaker 2: more you do to push them the better. But I
12:36
Speaker 2: do want to ask you about these marches on Sunday.
12:41
Speaker 2: They were marches for our flag and against mass immigration.
12:44
Speaker 2: You know, Matt, what I think is really bothering most
12:47
Speaker 2: people is the idea of Australia, of one Australia and
12:54
Speaker 2: Australian culture actually being washed away, whether it's by mass
12:57
Speaker 2: immigration or whatever, or people just giving up on spitting
13:00
Speaker 2: on the flag or whatever it is. And given that
13:04
Speaker 2: I had trouble believing Victorian Labor Premier j Cinra Allen
13:08
Speaker 2: could say something so stupid on the eve of this march,
13:12
Speaker 2: and so she was actually trying to confirm these fears.
13:16
Speaker 2: Listen to this.
13:17
Speaker 9: Australia is a nation of foreigners, just like that wonderful
13:22
Speaker 9: song says, from all the lands on Earth we come.
13:29
Speaker 2: I mean, it's plainly idiocy because I, for one, am
13:32
Speaker 2: not a foreigner to this land. I was born here
13:34
Speaker 2: and born into a culture, Australian culture, which is again
13:38
Speaker 2: what another labor premier is how australia' is p Malanowskas
13:42
Speaker 2: also didn't get because he was making out also in
13:44
Speaker 2: response to the marches that we're all in ethnic tribes.
13:48
Speaker 2: I guess there's no Australian culture to united So for listen.
13:52
Speaker 5: This two point four percent of the South Australian population
13:56
Speaker 5: is indigenous. That means that ninety seven point six percent
14:01
Speaker 5: of South Australians haven't an immigrant heritage. I'm proud of mine,
14:06
Speaker 5: and I think most South Australians are proud of theirs.
14:09
Speaker 5: And the people who are protesting today are naive to
14:13
Speaker 5: this state and this nation's own history. Let me make
14:17
Speaker 5: this perfectly clear, the overwallm majority of South Australians don't
14:21
Speaker 5: just tolerate diversity and morticulturalism.
14:24
Speaker 2: We celebrate them.
14:25
Speaker 5: It is part of who we are.
14:28
Speaker 2: Mccanavan.
14:29
Speaker 1: Your response, well, I think you summed it up there
14:33
Speaker 1: that that attitude is seeking to divide our nation into tribes.
14:37
Speaker 1: It's seeking to create if you're like different classes of Australians,
14:41
Speaker 1: that somehow, if you have a certain percentage I suppose,
14:45
Speaker 1: or some Indigenous bloods running through your veins, you're different
14:49
Speaker 1: than other Australians. I think it's a particularly regressive viewpoint
14:53
Speaker 1: that somehow you should be defined by your bloodline.
14:56
Speaker 2: So to speak.
14:56
Speaker 1: It's smacks of ante bellum United State, which I thought
15:00
Speaker 1: we left behind for a start. And secondly, you're absolutely
15:04
Speaker 1: right that there is something distinctly unique about Australia. The
15:09
Speaker 1: way we have developed our culture in what is a
15:12
Speaker 1: harsh and unforgiving land, the way we support each other
15:17
Speaker 1: as mates, as fellow Australians, and of course we come
15:22
Speaker 1: from all different types of ethnic backgrounds, but then we
15:24
Speaker 1: unite as Australians. There's one people here in this big,
15:29
Speaker 1: great southern land. And that's what I believe most people
15:32
Speaker 1: out there, most good people out there on the weekend,
15:35
Speaker 1: were marching for. They weren't marching to say that, hey,
15:39
Speaker 1: we should never have migration, or we shouldn't welcome anybody
15:42
Speaker 1: in addition to this great country. They're saying we need
15:46
Speaker 1: to make sure we manage that migration in a way
15:49
Speaker 1: that protects our economic security, that protects our culture, and
15:53
Speaker 1: ensures that people come into this country do subscribe to
15:56
Speaker 1: those Australian values. Like Peter, I've got some migrant heritage
16:00
Speaker 1: in my part, my ancestors as well. But they came
16:05
Speaker 1: here because they loved Australia and they integrated into Australia.
16:08
Speaker 1: They assimilated into Australia. There's nothing wrong with that. We
16:11
Speaker 1: should be trying to make sure that happens. Otherwise we
16:13
Speaker 1: will have a divided and and not cohesive society. I
16:18
Speaker 1: don't want to see that happen to this great country.
16:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, their brand of alticulturalism is celebrating every culture but
16:25
Speaker 2: your own. And you know, there's also mistake in saying that,
16:29
Speaker 2: as you pointed out that the marches were against immigrant immigrants.
16:33
Speaker 2: I'm from an immigrant family. I celebrate well, I enjoy
16:37
Speaker 2: my Dutch hero did you speak Dutch? And all that.
16:39
Speaker 2: But this is not about anti immigration. We're not self
16:42
Speaker 2: hating in that regard. It is about too much immigration,
16:45
Speaker 2: too fast, and a washing away of the values that
16:48
Speaker 2: you notice, which is so important, as you suggest Mcinavan
16:52
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Really appreciated, honestee. Anyway,
16:59
Speaker 2: but we're gets me about this global warming ideologue. Let's
17:02
Speaker 2: go back to that they're destroying our environment quite often,
17:06
Speaker 2: destroying our environment to supposedly save it from global warning.
17:12
Speaker 2: I'll give you the latest example, massive wind farm plan
17:16
Speaker 2: for Navara up in Victoria's Wimmera, where the horizons are
17:20
Speaker 2: very far and locals then of course they are going
17:23
Speaker 2: to be seen from miles away. This planned one hundred
17:27
Speaker 2: and two wind towers that they're going to be built
17:30
Speaker 2: there up to a quarter of a kilometer tall. But
17:35
Speaker 2: that's not all. The consultants report for this project, which
17:39
Speaker 2: is chaired by the way by former labor Prome Minister
17:41
Speaker 2: Julia Gillard, says the current footprint of this project will
17:45
Speaker 2: result in the loss of a total extent of one
17:47
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty seven and a half hectares of native vegetation,
17:52
Speaker 2: including native vegetation, three hundred and twenty five large trees
17:55
Speaker 2: and patches and one hundred and four scattered trees. And
17:59
Speaker 2: this happens to be exactly where the first land care
18:03
Speaker 2: project was where volunteers actually planted trees. The link up
18:09
Speaker 2: which for wildlife for instance, Now trees have been pulled down,
18:13
Speaker 2: I mean, no wonder locals across holding protest meetings the
18:16
Speaker 2: work out how to fight this environmental vandalism. Joining me
18:19
Speaker 2: as a neighboring farmer near this planned project. Marsha McIntyre. Marsha,
18:24
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Volunteers round your
18:28
Speaker 2: way planted trees for the environment. Now wind Projects wants
18:32
Speaker 2: to tear trees down for the environment. Does this make
18:35
Speaker 2: sense to you?
18:37
Speaker 4: No?
18:37
Speaker 10: No, I mean, and particularly for where you know land
18:41
Speaker 10: care started. It's absolutely devastating and there has been I
18:45
Speaker 10: must say, hundreds of thousands of trees planted because this
18:47
Speaker 10: is such a significant area for linking. The entire area
18:52
Speaker 10: is surrounded by Carracara National Park, More and Moral Conservation Reserve,
18:56
Speaker 10: Mount Blangham Conservation Reserve, Big and Little Tonington Conservation and
19:00
Speaker 10: these are all internationally recognized key biodiversity areas because they
19:04
Speaker 10: are that precious and that rare in terms of what's
19:07
Speaker 10: left in Victoria, and also in terms of the biodiversity
19:10
Speaker 10: that they have. I guess, you know, in terms of
19:13
Speaker 10: I'm not sure how many of the trees that have
19:15
Speaker 10: been planted will be removed. But what is going to
19:17
Speaker 10: happen is that the tops of the hills are going
19:20
Speaker 10: to be cleared of their remnant native vegetation. And some
19:24
Speaker 10: of that is the most critically threatened federally protected woodlands
19:29
Speaker 10: and grasslands in Victoria. And then it goes down in
19:32
Speaker 10: the number of grades of you know, protected woodlands and
19:37
Speaker 10: grasslands that are going to be removed. And it's absolutely,
19:41
Speaker 10: I suppose, astounding to think that this could happen in
19:45
Speaker 10: this day and age, that we would be deliberately destroying
19:48
Speaker 10: the connective zones between all of these you know, these
19:52
Speaker 10: already very special reserves, and I suppose that the reason
19:57
Speaker 10: they're so important is because they are after the travel
20:02
Speaker 10: of all of the biodiversity and the breeding, the interbreeding
20:07
Speaker 10: and the travel and the feeding and the watering of
20:09
Speaker 10: all of these species throughout the entire area, they are
20:11
Speaker 10: really vital bio links that they're going to be removed.
20:16
Speaker 2: But mastually, you know, all right, there's the effect on
20:20
Speaker 2: the wildlife, right, that's one thing. Got that for me though,
20:25
Speaker 2: What really offends me driving through the countryside and you
20:28
Speaker 2: see and it's not just some valley, you know, they're
20:30
Speaker 2: stuck on a hill so everyone for absolutely niles around
20:35
Speaker 2: that's the sea and there are your views. It's the
20:39
Speaker 2: you know, the vandalism of the landscape. I am sure
20:43
Speaker 2: that you are not on the land. You didn't decide
20:46
Speaker 2: farming life for me or whatever to stare at wires
20:49
Speaker 2: and a huge industrial wind tower or ten or twenty
20:53
Speaker 2: or one hundred of them.
20:56
Speaker 10: No, definitely not. I mean, I suppose again the irony
20:59
Speaker 10: of this project is that a big part of it
21:02
Speaker 10: is actually in an area that's called Paradise. And it
21:05
Speaker 10: is called Paradise because it is stunningly beautiful. It is
21:08
Speaker 10: absolutely stunningly beautiful. And you know it is it is,
21:13
Speaker 10: I think it is. It's criminal in terms of the
21:16
Speaker 10: environmental vandalism that's occurring here, but also in the removal
21:20
Speaker 10: of you know, this absolutely stunning area from Victoria, Like
21:24
Speaker 10: it's surrounded by all these parks and hills and then
21:27
Speaker 10: the rolling you know, valleys and creeks and everything in between.
21:31
Speaker 10: And yeah, it is, yeah, yeah, it's it's very sad,
21:37
Speaker 10: very sad.
21:37
Speaker 2: Indeed, I'm almost said at time, Marshall, but tell me
21:41
Speaker 2: what are the locals saying about it? And can you
21:43
Speaker 2: stop it?
21:45
Speaker 10: Well, the locals are really concerned. They're concerned about their
21:48
Speaker 10: land values. They're really concerned about the environmental vandalism that
21:52
Speaker 10: they're going to have to witness every day. They're concerned
21:55
Speaker 10: about the contamination of their waterways. Of course, when you
21:57
Speaker 10: clear hills, you of course create erosion, sedimentation, possible salinity
22:02
Speaker 10: due to geological conditions, and of course there's issues with
22:06
Speaker 10: you know, people's very concerned about land values. But this company,
22:10
Speaker 10: which is as you said before, is chaired by Julia Gillard.
22:13
Speaker 10: They had a just south there was a wind turbine
22:16
Speaker 10: that burnt down a few months ago and they didn't
22:19
Speaker 10: even know about it. And can you imagine what would
22:21
Speaker 10: happen if this particular area, you know, there was to
22:24
Speaker 10: be a turbine fire. There would be a no way
22:26
Speaker 10: of ever getting to it to put it out. But
22:28
Speaker 10: of course it would be immediately into the National Park
22:31
Speaker 10: or into one of these amazing conservation reserves. And of
22:35
Speaker 10: course there's the issue where you know in Victoria. In
22:38
Speaker 10: Victoria they have you know, one kilometer into our property.
22:41
Speaker 10: They actually have planning control on our properties. So that's
22:45
Speaker 10: you know, they can say whether or not you can
22:46
Speaker 10: build whatever you want on your property. For one kilometer.
22:49
Speaker 10: I guess there's also the issues of the community in
22:52
Speaker 10: terms of you know, there is division, although as you aware,
22:57
Speaker 10: large majority.
22:57
Speaker 2: Of because some people earned from it and that farm
23:01
Speaker 2: and next door us a stereot it, so there of
23:04
Speaker 2: course is a division. Honestly, Marsha, look amount of time.
23:08
Speaker 2: But I've got to tell you, you know, keep fighting. This
23:11
Speaker 2: is ridiculous, this sort of stuff, you know, burn the
23:14
Speaker 2: forests in order to save it. Really, Marshall McIntyre, thank
23:18
Speaker 2: you so much. After the break, two senior labor figures
23:23
Speaker 2: are off to party with China's communist dictatorship. Bob carrs,
23:27
Speaker 2: this has actually got an excuse. Well, let's go through
23:31
Speaker 2: it to expose you need deceit. One of the more
23:39
Speaker 2: troubling things I've witnessed from two senior Australian political figures
23:45
Speaker 2: is Bob Krent Daniel Andrews agreed to help Chinese communist
23:48
Speaker 2: dictatorship to promote a distortion of the truth and that
23:54
Speaker 2: way to help this dictatorship get even more menacing. I
24:00
Speaker 2: consider this visitor there is very concerning, and not just
24:03
Speaker 2: because car and Andrews were invited as on in Friends
24:07
Speaker 2: of a Dictatorship that has threatened, bullied Australia, injured navy personnel,
24:13
Speaker 2: blackmailed US with trade bands, imprisoned Australian citizens as virtual hostages,
24:18
Speaker 2: including one of my colleagues. There's more, and I will
24:21
Speaker 2: tell you why exactly this is so bad. Carr is
24:26
Speaker 2: our former labor foreign Minister, of course, and Andrews the
24:29
Speaker 2: former Victorian labor Premier. And they are going to tomorrow's
24:32
Speaker 2: celebration of the feat of Japan in World War II,
24:36
Speaker 2: as a celebration to be held at Chairman Square, with
24:38
Speaker 2: this very same Communist dictatorship in nineteen eighty nine massacred hundreds,
24:44
Speaker 2: maybe thousands of students who were demanding democracy.
24:50
Speaker 11: People were being shot at random.
24:57
Speaker 2: And at this parade, car and Andrews will we will
25:00
Speaker 2: see not just the world's biggest gathering of dictators, the
25:04
Speaker 2: dictators of China, of North Korea, Belarus, Russia. More. They're
25:11
Speaker 2: going to see China's new hyperstonic rockets, clearly designed to
25:14
Speaker 2: destroy warships of the West like ours maybe, and they
25:18
Speaker 2: will celebrate the Communist Party's big lie. Now. I know
25:23
Speaker 2: there's debates in about this, but it's a lie. According
25:26
Speaker 2: to the many historians that I've seen good historians that
25:30
Speaker 2: the Communist Party sold is under Mao Zadong. They well,
25:35
Speaker 2: here he have Beijing saying they defeated the Japanese. In fact,
25:41
Speaker 2: the Communists actually stayed out of that war almost entirely,
25:47
Speaker 2: leaving the fight to the Nationalist government and its army.
25:52
Speaker 2: And that meant, of course that after the World War
25:54
Speaker 2: two had finished, the Communists then could destroy this much
25:57
Speaker 2: weaker national Nationalist army to take That's how it worked.
26:02
Speaker 2: And even more troubling about this visit, this fawning, is
26:06
Speaker 2: that Daniel Andrews a so pro China in office that
26:08
Speaker 2: he was the only Australian leader to sign up to
26:10
Speaker 2: China's Belton Road Initiative MEAT, which is meant to extend
26:13
Speaker 2: China's power. And he's the longtime friend of our Prime minister.
26:18
Speaker 2: More he advised Albanisi in the election debates and meets
26:23
Speaker 2: up with Albanezi to give other advice behind the scenes.
26:27
Speaker 2: And Bob Carr has now written an article in the
26:30
Speaker 2: Nine newspapers defending his decision to go to this communist jamboree.
26:34
Speaker 2: And look, I think it's very misleading and dangerously so.
26:39
Speaker 2: So I'm going to discuss with the China expert Paul Monk,
26:42
Speaker 2: who's head of China Analysis for Australia's Defense Department. His
26:45
Speaker 2: books on China, many of them include Thunder from the
26:49
Speaker 2: Zone Rethinking China. Paul, Great to see you again. What
26:53
Speaker 2: do you make of this visit by Karen Andrews.
26:59
Speaker 12: Greening Andrew It seems to me, if you read his article,
27:02
Speaker 12: as you plenty have, there are at least three points
27:05
Speaker 12: that jump out at us. The first is the one
27:07
Speaker 12: you've just adverted to, which is his claim reinforcing the
27:11
Speaker 12: party propaganda line that it was the Chinese Communist Party
27:14
Speaker 12: that defeated Japan. It wasn't even the Chinese Nationalist Party
27:18
Speaker 12: that defeated Japan. It was the United States. And Bob
27:22
Speaker 12: fastidiously fails to referd in the United States in that
27:27
Speaker 12: point about the war at all. The second thing is
27:30
Speaker 12: he says, well, why am I content to stand on
27:33
Speaker 12: the same podium as Putin? Why are Putin she getting together? Well,
27:36
Speaker 12: he says Russia and China both suffered more than any
27:39
Speaker 12: other country from fascist invasion the Second World War. Well,
27:44
Speaker 12: that's true as far as it goes. But here's the thing.
27:46
Speaker 12: Putin is currently doing to Ukraine precisely what the Nazis
27:49
Speaker 12: did to Russia, and she is threatening to do the
27:52
Speaker 12: same to Taiwan. That's the context that's ominous for the
27:55
Speaker 12: rest of us, which somehow seems to elude him. The
27:58
Speaker 12: third thing is that he says, we need to talk
28:01
Speaker 12: to China because what we want to avoid is a
28:07
Speaker 12: clash with it, since it's rise to power, something we
28:09
Speaker 12: can do nothing about. Well, the whole idea of aucas
28:13
Speaker 12: is that we attempt to something about that, and the
28:16
Speaker 12: United States now is making very clear that it wants
28:20
Speaker 12: its allies to step up, to increase their defense expenditure,
28:23
Speaker 12: to stand with it, to endeavor to shore up and
28:26
Speaker 12: maintain the liberal order, which, by the way, has made
28:29
Speaker 12: it possible for China to flourish over the last thirty
28:33
Speaker 12: years until she took power at least. So there's all
28:37
Speaker 12: the reasons why it seems dubious that Bob Carr would
28:40
Speaker 12: take the stance he has, and it's probably not out
28:43
Speaker 12: of place to mention as you're well aware that in
28:45
Speaker 12: the nineteen thirties there were a number of British citizens
28:49
Speaker 12: and others who visited Nazi Germany and said, well, we
28:52
Speaker 12: should be talking to Hitler, and he's doing good things
28:55
Speaker 12: in Germany. It's hard not to see that parallel in
28:58
Speaker 12: present circumstances.
29:01
Speaker 2: That parallel has not escaped me. Paul Karen in this
29:05
Speaker 2: piece also, you know, talk about the one side. He
29:07
Speaker 2: claims that Donald Trump is America's first post democracy president,
29:12
Speaker 2: as if Trump is the dictator. He does not in
29:15
Speaker 2: this piece say that China's president she is an actual dictator,
29:19
Speaker 2: does not mention that they've sent warships to circle around
29:22
Speaker 2: Australia firing guns. You know, none of that? I mean,
29:27
Speaker 2: why not?
29:30
Speaker 12: Well, I think for several reasons. Bob Carr has clearly
29:34
Speaker 12: brought into the idea that has been sedlessly propagated by
29:39
Speaker 12: Paul Keating, by Hugh Waite for many years, and by others,
29:43
Speaker 12: quite few of them, certainly by two year Forest, for example,
29:46
Speaker 12: that China is the ascending He heedgement in Asia that
29:52
Speaker 12: we should discourage the United States from contesting that because
29:55
Speaker 12: it's only going to lead to a wards we shouldn't
29:57
Speaker 12: want in which we can't win, and therefore we have
30:00
Speaker 12: to get along with Beijing. And they tend to say,
30:04
Speaker 12: Bob included that this will mean we have to tone
30:07
Speaker 12: down and you talk about human rights and liberal principles.
30:12
Speaker 2: Has done in this piece, Paul, He has done exactly
30:15
Speaker 2: that in this piece. It's a classic of exactly what
30:18
Speaker 2: you just said. And invite people to read it for
30:20
Speaker 2: themselves and see whether Paul and I have exaggerated how deceitful.
30:25
Speaker 2: In my opinion, this piece is, Paul Monk, always good
30:27
Speaker 2: to talk to you. Thank you so much for your time.
30:30
Speaker 2: After the break, Donald Trumps set he actually set today
30:36
Speaker 2: as his d day for punishing Vladimir Putin, just when
30:39
Speaker 2: Putin and his friends in China are laughing at him.
30:43
Speaker 2: This could be explosive. Today is more important in world
30:50
Speaker 2: history and in the survival of the West than I
30:52
Speaker 2: think anyone watching will even guess, because it's the day
30:56
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump leads or chickens out. Days ago, the
31:01
Speaker 2: US President gave an ultimatum to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
31:04
Speaker 2: I'd been promising Trump, oh, I'm going to make peace
31:06
Speaker 2: in Ukraine, but instead just kept bombing civilian targets, apartments,
31:11
Speaker 2: hospitals last week, even a British council building in Kiev.
31:16
Speaker 7: We're very, very unhappy with them, and we're going to
31:18
Speaker 7: be doing very severe tariffs.
31:22
Speaker 13: If we don't have a deal in fifty days, we're
31:24
Speaker 13: going to be doing secondary tariffs.
31:25
Speaker 2: If we don't have a deal on fifty days, it's
31:27
Speaker 2: very simple and they'll be at one hundred percent. Well
31:31
Speaker 2: that fifty days is up today. But Putin still shows
31:35
Speaker 2: no interest in peace. Yeah. True, he flew to Alaska
31:38
Speaker 2: two and a half weeks ago to pretend again peace
31:40
Speaker 2: piece piece. But it was another con as I told you,
31:43
Speaker 2: even though Trump seemed to believe him and told the
31:45
Speaker 2: meeting of European leaders the next Monday that included French
31:48
Speaker 2: President Manue Macron, I think piece is on, I mean
31:52
Speaker 2: Cron Last Friday, I said, well, time's up, and Trump
31:55
Speaker 2: had to realize now he was.
31:57
Speaker 14: Being Playedna Washington Lapel position President temp Vivo Trump, President Putins,
32:16
Speaker 14: Hajjwili President Trump.
32:19
Speaker 2: And now Putin too is rubbing it all in Trump's face.
32:22
Speaker 2: Is in China for a security meeting with discuss called
32:24
Speaker 2: by Cobo China and was greeted as a huge friend
32:28
Speaker 2: by the communist dictator of Jugin Pin who supports this
32:31
Speaker 2: war in Ukraine, and this time India's Prime Ministeronnerenda, Amodi
32:35
Speaker 2: even held hands with Putin to show the world that
32:38
Speaker 2: he was perhaps on the war criminal's side and not,
32:41
Speaker 2: it seems on Trump's now mode even did a group
32:44
Speaker 2: hug with Putin and jugen Pin. It's like he knows
32:47
Speaker 2: who the real powers will soon be. So will Trump
32:52
Speaker 2: prove him wrong or prove him right? He gets this wrong,
32:56
Speaker 2: I tell you, India is not going to be the
32:57
Speaker 2: last country to say, whoops, a bit of cozy up
33:00
Speaker 2: to these rising tyrannies rather than to the U s
33:03
Speaker 2: lid whist. And I think we will be hugely weaker
33:08
Speaker 2: for that. Joining me is Sean Spicer, Trump's first White
33:11
Speaker 2: House spokesman, Sean Spicer is great to see you, Prime
33:14
Speaker 2: Minister Mody. The Indian leader holding and hugging Vladimir Putin,
33:20
Speaker 2: cozing up to Jijinping. It's all a very public signal
33:25
Speaker 2: that is sending. How worrying is that?
33:28
Speaker 13: I think it's probably more worrying for him than it
33:30
Speaker 13: is for US. Look, India is a huge or the
33:33
Speaker 13: US is a huge market for India. Donald Trump is
33:37
Speaker 13: tremendously popular in among the Indian people. And if I
33:41
Speaker 13: were Prime Minster Mody, I'd be very careful. Look the Indians.
33:44
Speaker 13: I dealt with them a lot when I was an
33:46
Speaker 13: assistant US Trade Rep twenty years ago. They are very transactional.
33:51
Speaker 13: They are out for the best deal. They'll play both sides.
33:55
Speaker 13: I expect nothing less from But I think Prime mister
33:57
Speaker 13: Modi has got to consider his domestic politics on this
34:01
Speaker 13: and make sure that he doesn't try to get too
34:03
Speaker 13: good of a deal at the expense of any kind
34:05
Speaker 13: of political capital that remains with him.
34:08
Speaker 2: Yes, and I think the public is that keen on
34:10
Speaker 2: China either. Fifty days is up today and Putin still
34:15
Speaker 2: hasn't agreed to any piece. In Ukraine, Donald Trump's Treasury
34:19
Speaker 2: Secretary Scott Bissant has just suggested that yes, the President
34:24
Speaker 2: will make good on his threat.
34:25
Speaker 15: Here he is when the European leaders and President Zelenski
34:29
Speaker 15: were at the White House the following Monday, has done
34:32
Speaker 15: the opposite of following through on what he indicated he
34:36
Speaker 15: wanted to do. As a matter of fact, he has,
34:39
Speaker 15: in a despec despicable manner, increased the bombing campaign. So
34:43
Speaker 15: I think with President Trump, all options are on the table,
34:46
Speaker 15: and I think we'll be examining those very closely this week.
34:49
Speaker 2: Should spots, did you expect the President to do anything
34:52
Speaker 2: this week.
34:55
Speaker 13: I do. I mean, look, Secretary Besont wouldn't go out
34:57
Speaker 13: there and signal that I've known for some time that
35:00
Speaker 13: the White House has a list of secondary sanctions and
35:03
Speaker 13: other ways of tightening the screws on Russia ready to go.
35:07
Speaker 13: The President was very hopeful on that Alaska meeting that
35:10
Speaker 13: I don't think went as well as a lot.
35:12
Speaker 2: Of people hoped.
35:13
Speaker 13: But I think that he is going to turn up
35:14
Speaker 13: the volume on President Putin. And it's not just the
35:16
Speaker 13: secondary sanctions, but there's a lot of financial transactions that
35:20
Speaker 13: occur where people are looking the other way. There's a
35:23
Speaker 13: role that Europe can play, a much greater role that
35:27
Speaker 13: Europe can play. Who likes to talk tough but takes
35:30
Speaker 13: Russian oil does a lot of transactions through the swift
35:34
Speaker 13: financial network that allows transactions to occur. So there's a
35:38
Speaker 13: lot of things at the President's disposal that he can do,
35:41
Speaker 13: and I think that he is going to ratchet up
35:45
Speaker 13: those sanctions and other means of enforcement. It was Secretary
35:50
Speaker 13: Vessant just a few weeks ago that said, when it
35:51
Speaker 13: comes to enforcement, we're at about a three on the
35:54
Speaker 13: ten scale, and I think that's about right. So I
35:57
Speaker 13: think President Trump, for a lot of reasons, somewhat you know, unfortunately,
36:03
Speaker 13: because Putin disappointed him in this attempt to get a
36:07
Speaker 13: piece deal, is going to want to make him feel it.
36:11
Speaker 2: The media sean that so grossly and recklessly ignored Joe
36:18
Speaker 2: Biden's obvious mental and physical decline in the White House,
36:21
Speaker 2: is now that Donald Trump is trying to hide something
36:24
Speaker 2: now seems to be sick or ailing, has got blotches
36:30
Speaker 2: on his skin, he's got puffy ankles. They're demanding answers,
36:34
Speaker 2: what's going on here? What's the story?
36:37
Speaker 13: Well, it's kind of funny because the pres Secretary Caroline
36:40
Speaker 13: Loved a few weeks ago, addressed a couple of the
36:43
Speaker 13: President's medical issues, including that little hand spot, very proactively,
36:49
Speaker 13: and it was something that, to your point, was in
36:52
Speaker 13: vast contrast with how the Biden White House not only
36:55
Speaker 13: dressed up but the media proactively covered it up. Look,
36:58
Speaker 13: the President, at the end of the day is seventy
36:59
Speaker 13: nine years old. He's outplaying golf. He shakes a lot
37:01
Speaker 13: of hands.
37:03
Speaker 2: You know, you get bruised.
37:05
Speaker 13: There are some medications that he has been taking to
37:08
Speaker 13: address some of the things. But it's all been explained,
37:11
Speaker 13: and I think it's sad to see, to your point,
37:13
Speaker 13: a media that literally covered up, and not only covered up,
37:18
Speaker 13: but shamed anybody that brought it up with respect to
37:22
Speaker 13: Joe Biden's physical and mental acuity, and then openly speculate
37:26
Speaker 13: about Donald Trump's medical issues, which, as I said, the
37:29
Speaker 13: Presecretary has been very forthright with. But there's another thing, Andrew.
37:33
Speaker 13: I mean, over the weekend there were a lot of
37:36
Speaker 13: internet rumors of the president's health because people hadn't seen
37:40
Speaker 13: him for like eight hours. I'm thinking to myself, wait
37:42
Speaker 13: a second. You guys didn't see Biden for you know,
37:45
Speaker 13: weeks on end sometimes and no one had a problem.
37:47
Speaker 13: You don't see Donald Trump for a couple hours. I
37:49
Speaker 13: get you might miss him, but you don't need to
37:51
Speaker 13: spread false rumors about his well being.
37:54
Speaker 2: That's incredible, isn't it. You know, I would have thought
37:57
Speaker 2: that some of those critics would be glad if they
37:59
Speaker 2: didn't see for but it just show it's the standard.
38:03
Speaker 8: Right.
38:05
Speaker 13: They get upset when how active he is. He finally
38:08
Speaker 13: quiets down for over a holiday weekend. Never mind you
38:11
Speaker 13: here in the States, and the next thing you know,
38:14
Speaker 13: they're allowing rumors to perpetuate about his physical state or
38:18
Speaker 13: his actual state of being.
38:21
Speaker 2: But I just think too, I mean, the fact that
38:23
Speaker 2: they panic over a number of ours that they don't
38:26
Speaker 2: hear from him shows the unbelievable activity that's there in
38:31
Speaker 2: the White House under him in contrast to Joe Biden,
38:35
Speaker 2: and that should answer their questions. I mean, he's been
38:37
Speaker 2: a hyperactive president in terms of policy and delivery, and
38:43
Speaker 2: you go the victim of his own success and energy.
38:46
Speaker 2: I think Sean Spice to thank you so much in
38:48
Speaker 2: ded for your time you've met Andrew. Take care. After
38:53
Speaker 2: the break in, the Annazi leader arrests it again, this
38:56
Speaker 2: time after a vicious attack. Why do we get New
39:00
Speaker 2: Zealand's rubbish? The Albanize government has quietly signed a deal
39:09
Speaker 2: with our route pay it more than four hundred million
39:12
Speaker 2: dollars to take up to two hundred eighty illegal boat
39:15
Speaker 2: people off our hands. These are mostly criminals, even murderers
39:19
Speaker 2: and rapists, people who wouldn't go home to countries which
39:24
Speaker 2: then said okay, well they don't want to come, we're
39:26
Speaker 2: not going to take them now. I hear people say, oh,
39:29
Speaker 2: this is outrageous. You know, this bad deal for our rou.
39:33
Speaker 2: But that's for our rou to decide. And it's so
39:37
Speaker 2: poor that, you know, four hundred million dollars that might
39:39
Speaker 2: seem to them a very good deal. Indeed, for me,
39:43
Speaker 2: the more interesting thing is the insight this gives into
39:46
Speaker 2: our prime minister. You know how many of his decisions
39:50
Speaker 2: net zero are driven by the politics or the votes
39:53
Speaker 2: and not necessarily by facts or the national interests. Because
39:58
Speaker 2: you check this out. When John Howard's coalition government made
40:02
Speaker 2: a deal to send illegal boat people to Nauru, it
40:06
Speaker 2: made that deal albany is he back in two thousand
40:08
Speaker 2: and six thought, oh, that is disgusting.
40:13
Speaker 4: Arrive in freedom loving Australia only to be locked up
40:19
Speaker 4: sent away to Nahuru for processing. You can't have it
40:27
Speaker 4: both ways. You can't say the regime of Saddam Hussein
40:32
Speaker 4: and the Taliban were so evil and yet we will
40:36
Speaker 4: persecute the victims of those very same regimes.
40:41
Speaker 2: Man, he accused the Howard governor fearmongering and race and
40:45
Speaker 2: this and that the whole whole kaboola. I'm joined by
40:48
Speaker 2: Will Kingston, host The far at Will, the podcast from
40:51
Speaker 2: the Spectator and Politics and Culture a scone's host Sanika
40:54
Speaker 2: de Georgio Will Is this hypocrisy or does the fact
40:58
Speaker 2: that these people that Albanezi is sending our criminals, does
41:03
Speaker 2: that fact change everything?
41:06
Speaker 12: Not?
41:07
Speaker 8: Really, I think it is hypocrisy.
41:08
Speaker 1: Andrew.
41:08
Speaker 8: You have to remember that leftists don't, in their heart
41:12
Speaker 8: of hearts, believe in strong borders. In fact, I don't
41:14
Speaker 8: even think they really believe in the idea of the
41:16
Speaker 8: nation state. If they had their way, there would be
41:18
Speaker 8: no borders. We'd be one big global blob. But what
41:23
Speaker 8: I do think this says, or what it reflects, what
41:26
Speaker 8: it reveals is the immense credit and gratitude that we
41:30
Speaker 8: have to do display towards Tony Abbott, people like Peter Dudden,
41:33
Speaker 8: and to all of the Conservatives around the early twenty
41:36
Speaker 8: tens who turned this from being a divisive political issue
41:40
Speaker 8: into a bipartisan issue, dragging the Labor Party kicking and
41:43
Speaker 8: screaming to solve this problem. And the reason I say
41:47
Speaker 8: that is I'm currently sitting in London where they are
41:50
Speaker 8: having the exact same debate fifteen years later, and it's
41:54
Speaker 8: playing out in the exact same way. Two years ago
41:56
Speaker 8: in the UK you were called a racist if you dared,
41:59
Speaker 8: if you to talk about strong borders. At the moment,
42:02
Speaker 8: the Overton window is shifting and in a year's time
42:05
Speaker 8: the Labor Party is finally going to have to admit,
42:07
Speaker 8: geez it is the right call to actually defend your
42:10
Speaker 8: borders in an appropriate way. I find it very frustrating actually,
42:13
Speaker 8: because I just keep saying, pick up the phone and
42:16
Speaker 8: grab the Australian playbook, but unfortunately they're not quite there yet,
42:20
Speaker 8: and just do it.
42:21
Speaker 2: It's been it's been solved. To Nika, I've been talking
42:23
Speaker 2: about strong borders, you know, I had to. I'm just
42:27
Speaker 2: struck by the fact that you had those neo Nazis
42:30
Speaker 2: march in Melbourne, in that rally on Sunday, trying to
42:34
Speaker 2: hijacket and say you know where you want. We're against
42:37
Speaker 2: immigration and we want tougher borders, when their leader was
42:40
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. If we had proper borders, he should
42:43
Speaker 2: never have been let in. It's a convicted criminal, Thomas Sewell.
42:46
Speaker 2: He's trying to hijack that Melbourne rally for the flag,
42:49
Speaker 2: push people around, as the Nazis did. There After the rally,
42:54
Speaker 2: they and he were filmed in an average all protest
42:56
Speaker 2: camp where we saw Suuel and others doing this. I mean,
43:00
Speaker 2: it's just appalling stuff, really appalling. Hes today charged over that,
43:06
Speaker 2: but not before he had also then heckled the premiere
43:10
Speaker 2: at a press conference today. Here is.
43:13
Speaker 16: He just said, Alan, why not Australians have the right
43:15
Speaker 16: to protest? Why do not Australians have the right to protest?
43:18
Speaker 16: Why do you want to ban us for protesting? Shouldn't
43:21
Speaker 16: we have the right to speak in our own country?
43:23
Speaker 2: You cowed?
43:24
Speaker 16: Shouldn't we have the right to speak in our country?
43:26
Speaker 12: You cowed?
43:27
Speaker 16: Have your goons attacked me?
43:29
Speaker 2: You're a coward. Why is Australia's workers, stated Nika producing
43:34
Speaker 2: the most Nazis?
43:36
Speaker 11: Well, I think it's twofold Andrew one. I think they
43:39
Speaker 11: have been emboldened, particularly by Labour's lack of action on
43:42
Speaker 11: the anti Semitism crisis, but also, of course the protests
43:46
Speaker 11: laws over there are very different to say New South Wales.
43:48
Speaker 2: There's not that permanent system.
43:50
Speaker 11: But secondly, and I think there's a deeper problem. And
43:53
Speaker 11: now I condemn the neo Nazis. I think they're absolutely abhorrent,
43:56
Speaker 11: but I think that there is a clear group of
43:58
Speaker 11: young men who are very disenfranchised, very disenfranchised by particularly
44:04
Speaker 11: labor in that state. I think it started with the
44:06
Speaker 11: lockdowns in Victoria. I think it's now gone into mass
44:09
Speaker 11: migration labor supporting this open border policy. Again, I do not,
44:13
Speaker 11: please don't think that I'm supporting this by no means.
44:16
Speaker 11: But these are very disenfranchised and very troublesome men. My
44:20
Speaker 11: main concern, though, Andrew out of all of this is
44:22
Speaker 11: the likes of Thomas Saul and the rest of them
44:24
Speaker 11: are inadvertently becoming the face of this mass migration debate.
44:29
Speaker 2: It is not racist. You are not a neo Nazi.
44:33
Speaker 11: If you have a problem with talking about you know,
44:36
Speaker 11: the fact is migration numbers need to be they need
44:39
Speaker 11: to be reduced.
44:39
Speaker 2: You're not a neo Nazi. You're not racist.
44:41
Speaker 11: You're not racist if if you wave the Australian flag,
44:44
Speaker 11: but suddenly people are going see this is why, this
44:47
Speaker 11: is why you know, you should have criticized them as racist,
44:49
Speaker 11: because they are now the face of it. It's nonsense,
44:52
Speaker 11: It's absolute nonsense. But here we are today.
44:57
Speaker 2: Yes, I just think extremes in Melbourne feed are for
45:00
Speaker 2: each other. I mean, we had we had all these
45:03
Speaker 2: Trotskyists and TEAFA people and all that running around and
45:06
Speaker 2: saying we're anti Nazi, anti Nazi. Now I finally got
45:09
Speaker 2: anti Nazia, the neo Nazis, and I think they couldn't
45:13
Speaker 2: be happier.
45:14
Speaker 8: I can I add to that Andrew very quickly. That
45:19
Speaker 8: is because Victoria is the most authoritarian oppressive state, and
45:23
Speaker 8: authoritarianism breeds these extreme ideologies. You can't just block out
45:28
Speaker 8: harmful ideas by being authoritarian. This is actually creating it.
45:32
Speaker 2: Yep. Well, I don't know. I don't want to relief
45:35
Speaker 2: lift any guilty of the people, make take responsibility of
45:39
Speaker 2: them for their own actions. I got to say, I
45:41
Speaker 2: wanted there's something weird going on Israel. Let's in led
45:47
Speaker 2: In on the last Sunday, you know, three hundred trucks
45:50
Speaker 2: of aid food aid, but now it's being accused by
45:53
Speaker 2: an international group of genocide experts that there's genocide. These
45:58
Speaker 2: are academics, Ed Bonustrang. There's genocide in Gaza despite all this,
46:04
Speaker 2: these aid deliveries and despite I've got to show you
46:07
Speaker 2: this again new evidence. One Gaza city shop in Sunday
46:12
Speaker 2: on Sunday posts of this pastry is it selling for
46:14
Speaker 2: a dollar twenty? This grocery shop in gazas carn Unis
46:18
Speaker 2: on Saturday advertised its full shells. A chef Hammada's restaurant
46:22
Speaker 2: Gaza City posted this about its food there on Sunday,
46:25
Speaker 2: lots of it. I mean, who do we believe about
46:28
Speaker 2: this starvation claim, these foreign academics accusing Israel of genocide
46:33
Speaker 2: and deliberate starvation, or these shopkeepers and restlerturs in Gaza itself.
46:37
Speaker 11: Daneka, Well, I think we believe the vision that you've
46:41
Speaker 11: just played. But this is the vision Andrew, of course,
46:43
Speaker 11: that the media around the world do not want you
46:46
Speaker 11: to see because it goes against the anti Israel and
46:48
Speaker 11: the bias narrative. I mean, they just want us to
46:51
Speaker 11: see the images, for example, of malnourished children, you know,
46:54
Speaker 11: splashed on front in front of the New York Times,
46:56
Speaker 11: which of course was actually a photo of a child
46:58
Speaker 11: who had a generic condition. They don't want to see this.
47:01
Speaker 11: And again, I mean we've spoken about this before. I
47:03
Speaker 11: would ask the question again lack of curiosity around the world.
47:06
Speaker 11: I'd ask a question, why do people think that Israel
47:08
Speaker 11: would be so blatantly starving residents in front of the
47:11
Speaker 11: whole world. They're not doing that. In fact, they are
47:13
Speaker 11: trying to provide aid and this is half of the problem.
47:17
Speaker 2: Now, this is the thing. You know, the world is
47:21
Speaker 2: so obsessed with the so called genocide in Gaza, yet
47:24
Speaker 2: there's been not a single march calling for an end
47:27
Speaker 2: to the civil war in Sudan that started in the
47:29
Speaker 2: same year as this. You war has killed three times
47:32
Speaker 2: small people, starve tens of thousands of children to death,
47:36
Speaker 2: and cut food aid to maybe fifty trucks a week
47:39
Speaker 2: for ten times more people than in Gaza, which gets
47:42
Speaker 2: three hundred trucks a day. Will is that because it's
47:46
Speaker 2: Muslims killing Muslims, no Jews to blame.
47:49
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's exactly right. No one cares unless the Jews
47:51
Speaker 8: are involved. Andrew, it's the only variable really that makes
47:55
Speaker 8: a material difference to those two examples that you've mentioned.
47:58
Speaker 8: I will note that it's had very good reasons not
48:01
Speaker 8: to allow journalists into Gaza up until this point, for
48:03
Speaker 8: safety reasons. They are now starting to do that. I
48:06
Speaker 8: was having dinner with friend of the show Sophie Ellsworth
48:08
Speaker 8: last night. She's looking to be getting to Gaza shortly,
48:12
Speaker 8: so I think that that will hopefully paint it a
48:14
Speaker 8: shiner light on some of these falsehoods. Hamas and the
48:18
Speaker 8: international media are just are depicting.
48:23
Speaker 2: Will Kingston, Janika to Georgia. Thank you very much to
48:26
Speaker 2: you both before I go, and look, I know I
48:30
Speaker 2: just came back from a very long holiday. You'll be
48:32
Speaker 2: wondering why you won't be seeing me again for some time.
48:34
Speaker 2: I don't know how long, because I actually had good
48:37
Speaker 2: news a couple of weeks ago. My heart will be
48:40
Speaker 2: very good for another ten years at least, which is great.
48:42
Speaker 2: I've never been happier more enough with my wife. But
48:45
Speaker 2: there is a catch. It will last that much longer
48:48
Speaker 2: provided something gets done to it on Thursday, which is
48:52
Speaker 2: going to take some time. So goodbye until then and
48:57
Speaker 2: see you later. Coming up next. Sherry Markson