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Talks to Jason Miller about his choice of Logopolis (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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This is your host. Jason who is my guest today and
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Joe. Hello.
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We have been spending the last six hours, talking about the
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Daleks master plan. We are now up to episode 11.
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The abandoned Planet. This has been quite a story so
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far Joe. The first two parts took place
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on the planet Campbell Parts, three and four for a
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gut-wrenching journey through space.
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When you have the deaths of Catarina and bread Parts, five
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and six are a bizarre wacky adventure.
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The planet Myra with invisible aliens called visions, that
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should be called envisions. And we've just wrapped up a
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four-part sequel. To The Chase Avatar meddler of
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the same time, and we've had a Christmas special and a New
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Year's Day special. And then, what did you think
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about the material? At the Great Pyramid?
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I thought it was underwritten. And disappointing, I wanted to
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see an ancient Egypt historical the not have the Great Pyramid
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users comedy window dressing. I mean, I'm bloody exhausted.
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We've been over at about a universe for this story.
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Honestly, I'm knackered. But we are now.
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We are now coming to the end. Do we are coming to the last two
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episodes on the planet Campbell and nothing will ever be the
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same again, indeed. Now, I know you're being
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facetious right now. I know you are taking a piss but
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I mean we might as well have been talking about the diet
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master bath, the amount which is about the God bless mr.
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Gatlin we will talk more about Jackie land, we're talking about
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poor Sarah Sutton, we've covered Janet Fielding.
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We've covered Chris frates bid Meade as the ainley Matthew
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Waterhouse How's Tom Baker? We've talked about the
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constituent elements of this story, having a dry freezer,
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Tom, georgeson, we've talked about everything, but Sarah
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Sutton. Oh, should wait Walter.
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I think we should start that. And, well, let's go to the
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episode. Then we can talk about Sarah
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son. All right, I'll count us down
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nothing like this has ever happened before 321.
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Countdown to the end of the universe countdown, to the end
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of the universe. So I'll tell you my origin
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story. So, logopolis was not obviously
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my first. Before you start, you make it
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your personal origin story. Well, we've talked about the
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origin story of the scrappiest, my personal origin story.
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How how logopolis came to be my favorite episode.
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Oh sorry, I thought you meant you were gonna talk about they.
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How old are you? How old am I?
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I'm 24 24 years ago. When mr.
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And mrs. Miller decided to go at it in
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the bedroom, one night. Sorry, go on.
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My parents have been divorced for 35 years and now you've
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scarred me for life with that image.
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Please tell me you're look up. Please origin story, not your
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birth story. Oh, my goodness.
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So, as you know, I came into the show with season 20, but I had
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two friends at school. Who would Doctor, Who fans?
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They're the ones who encouraged me to watch the show.
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This is my friends, John and Stephen.
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They're both still friends, and I still see them.
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Even though they open it, they live in other states.
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Every so often John was a collector of the novelizations
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and he was the reason why I started collecting the books.
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So one day, he brought the novelization of logopolis to
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school and I started reading it during a free period that I
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probably got about as far as chapter 5 or chapter 6 and I
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hadn't read the novelizations. Before this point at age 11, my
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reading habits mostly consisted of Choose Your Own Adventure
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books. The Hardy Boys monthly issues
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with baseball digest. I wasn't reading a lot of
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Science Fiction, but getting into To the logopolis book from
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that point on. It was really no turning back.
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And all I wanted out of life itself was to have my own copy
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of a little goblins novelization.
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So, my parents and I struck a deal.
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I would babysit my kid Sister after school every day, so they
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wouldn't have to pay for a babysitter anymore and they
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would pay me three dollars a week.
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This is 1985 cash three dollars. Doesn't even minimum wage to
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babysit my kid sister. And there's novelizations words,
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295 a piece. So, I would get one book the
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week, so every other Saturday, we go to the local mall, the mid
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Island mall, and Nassau County. New York.
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Then we go to the waldenbooks, which is now defunct booksellers
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chain. And I would stand in front of
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the wall, which I had two full shelves of novelizations, and I
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waited months for the gospels to come back into stock because I
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was, you know, too shy to ask the cashier to special order
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that would just buy two or three of whatever was in front of me,
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which is always a difficult Choice than to this day.
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I mentioned this on the Trap, one target episode.
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I still have dreams about standing in bookstores staring
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into shelves and shelves, the books, trying to get
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novelizations that I've never seen before.
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But with apples finally showed up, and my copy is now better
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because I've read it, probably at a conservative estimate 25,
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or 30 times. And the, as good as the TV
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story, is that we're about to lose John Fraser here.
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The book is even That's better. But all this is to say is
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logopolis didn't cycle back around on PBS for another 13
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months after I started watching the show so it was going to air
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the week between Christmas and New Year's 1985 and of course we
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were going to be out of town. We were taking a family trip
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into Manhattan and we were going to be staying at the Hyatt
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Regency Hotel on 42nd Street next to Grand Central Station.
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Then we were there for a family gathering.
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Touring and descend to see a particular play off, Broadway,
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play. That was playing down on Second
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Avenue, so I'll pause. What do you think of John?
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Fraser's, death scene. There you said before there was
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very underplayed, it is on the plane and it's what it's
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massively High concept, isn't it essentially the death of the
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universe has just killed him and when the master goes, oh my God,
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that's horrible. You know the shit has hit the
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fan, right? And the master runs away saying
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I can't deal with this. In the book he was supposed to
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Walk up to the roof of the building and cross over to the
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aerial and program in the coordinates to the CV that way.
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Then you fell through a hole in the roof.
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It's one that the entropy had already caught him, so instead
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of falling and breaking his neck, he fell slowly like a
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feather and disintegrate it. And I'm going to cloud of dust
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and that was unfilmable. That's the way he goes in the
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novelization falling and exploding in a cloud of dust.
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Well, I'm sorry, I didn't mess the Lakers under the
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circumstances but they visually striking is visually straight
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out. There was a you are a jackass.
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On the night might be praised. We thought that he had been
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erased from history. Well, he's been a vice rise from
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the universe, doesn't he that's it?
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It's gone. He hasn't been easy.
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This is the cigarette. He hasn't been erased from
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history as if he no longer exists.
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But he's dead. This is the way of dying.
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But do you think it's marvelous how the master figured he could
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come to logopolis and hold the whole universe to run sermon and
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you know, as part of one of his dastardly schemes?
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Yeah. At least we no clue what he was
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clocking up and now he's running off.
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Now, the shit, hit the fan. So look at this scene right
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here. We are in Manhattan.
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So I set my VCR to tape Channel, 21 every night at 7:00 when they
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are Doctor Who. So I get home and all I want, we
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get home after New Year's. All I want is to see part 4 of
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logopolis, part 2 plays, I watch part two, wonderful part, three
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plays. Wonderful part for plays, they
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had switched over to pledge drives and a pledge Drive had
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delayed the broadcast. So I got instead of all apart
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for I got the last 10 minutes. Of our three, some pledge make
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material some pledge break material.
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I should say, in the first five minutes of part 4 in and ends
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right here as a jerk goes. He's disabling the entire
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coordinates subsystem so I didn't get to see the last 20
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minutes of logopolis part for and I didn't get to see the
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Regeneration because of it wasn't so much a VCR
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malfunction, but it was a programming programming error
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Channel 21, so they aired Par 3 and 4 together and they didn't
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airport for in the right. Time slot and I missed it and it
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was probably another year or two before I finally get out of see
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Tom Baker regenerate remember this is before you to bits
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before you know I can really borrow a copy of the VHS or buy
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it or have the DVD. I had to wait a long time so
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that last scene of accomplice was the Holy Grail for me.
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I'm guessing you were not happy bunny.
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The only other worst VCR malfunction.
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I think I mentioned this on the nylon.
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Deep raised when my copy of the five, doctors cut out as Bruce
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is putting the ring on his finger that I missed the last
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five minutes after that, what is it during these massive stories?
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Like it's never during Terminus is a ordering for to, Doomsday
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know, I would have been thrilled if my VCR had exploded in the
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middle of time on the runway, I wouldn't have cared less but for
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me it's always the stuff that I love that.
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I want to see over and over again that I lose.
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As you come on a, with your hatred, for Tech tracks, all
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right? Okay, so I have never said a bad
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word about the traps on your podcast.
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Good going to give you an epiphany in life and now it's
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gone out of my head because we start talking about Ted traps
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and I do like I like the contrast now and all these
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things on Earth and I really like in a minute all the
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location where them dashing about do you know why?
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Because they're actually having a bit of fun and I think That's
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one thing. This story lacks at times, it is
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a bit dry stuff, doesn't it? Whereas they start having a bit
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of a run around and some final episode 4 and you got some
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fabulous faux, seventies Petty Kings, and music playing in the
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background, like dananananana bum, bum bum, bum bum bum.
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You know, it's really fun. I'm going to agree with you
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really. That's a new look for you.
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I'm sure that I even have the temerity to see the words.
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I would, I would say the story. Is serious.
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I wouldn't say it's dry as dust because the line reading is,
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then the dialogue, the individual words are very witty,
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it's just in service of a downbeat story.
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So it's not Laugh Out Loud, Comedy, like city of death.
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It's so it's not an interesting, it's not Dull.
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No, no, please do, but it's stories like attending a fucking
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week before he's even died. Well, that's, that's, that's
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yeah, that's probably a better way of saying it then dry as
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dust, okay? Sorry, I'm sorry, apologize.
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If I was giving a negative reading to what I meant in a
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positive way, let's just say it's thoughtful.
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Then, shall we? And considerate, thoughtful, and
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considerate, and you wouldn't get that in the c word.
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You say word would never be this introspective.
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He would just have Bloody violence, and he would have the
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doctor making inappropriate jokes doesn't help.
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I've cited a full for I think parts of Planet fire parts of
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Enlightenment. Wait, a minute is so gorgeous.
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We talked about that on the nylon show but what I want to
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talk to you about this thing now because I think this is one of
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the best scenes in the entirety of classic Who and it's entirely
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due to saracens before. So we do want to talk about
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Sarah Sutton, what's happening is so enormous.
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We're seeing a picture of the universe to scale on the table.
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This scanner literally being eaten Away by entropy and
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expressed through Sarah Sutton's performance.
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And then she realizes that her home planet has been destroyed
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and she very subtly like on the place.
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The grief that she experiences in that moment, what I love
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about it is, it's massively High concept, it is beautiful and is
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a marvelous piece of acting as well.
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I think it, I think it is one of the best moments in.
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Don't do this. It's part of that, you mentioned
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that because you compare it to what Jacob Anderson was doing in
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the first episode of flux, when he's sitting there and outpost
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Rose, and he's watching the flux.
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Destroy planets in front of him. It's almost the same scene, but
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he's playing it in a modern-day sensibility.
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This is playing with quiet hurt. Like, you're going to burst into
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tears, just wouldn't get this rating of this.
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Say, nowadays, I'd have to make it exciting and, you know, like,
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what God, we're running away from the end of the universe or
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is this is just a 44 moment, but it's huge when you think of a
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concept of entire worlds, being eaten up and it's all channeled
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through her performers. I look at how grimwade is
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pushing the camera into her face.
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You can pair two Ron Jones, this is a true story.
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Joe Ron Jones was a director for three years.
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Before he learned that cameras, consume if you watch his earlier
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stories he never ever moves the camera once you're a terrorist.
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It's like here. We're here.
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We are getting into mrs. Face as she's about to cry and
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the music is playing up. But you know, some actors.
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Yeah. Would shy away from that or
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wouldn't be able to do it. Janet Fielding earlier in this
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story, the camera straight enough to straighten her face
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when she has to go. Like, you know, we're going to
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Earth and she's like, and it's just horrendous, whereas
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Sarasota is completely unabashed by that camera.
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Right in her face, I am now going to invite you Jill, I am
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inviting you. I'm coming next.
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I like, who this? Is November 20 22 on the Eastern
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end of wild. So you fly into JFK, I'll pick
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you up from the airport. Bring you out to my palatial
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estate in Brooklyn, and then we'll drive all the way out to
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Long Island next year, this year l, i who the convention was
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called time, flight. Li who presents time flight next
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year, it's a lie who presents Meg, Lohse and the two guests,
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they've already announced. They're going to be Peter
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Davison and your friend and mine Janice Building and I'm going to
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have you go up to Janet an autograph session or a photo
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session and you will imitate, you will do your best, take an
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impression and we'll see how long it takes her to sluggy.
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When the draw, how we doing live?
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Commentary at the convention, how amazing would that be you
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and me going at each other? Oh, that would be amazing.
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Come on. Well Wing, It wing it.
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You know, people sort it out. I also love the fact that in
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that exchange, their I said I'm coming and you said I'm going to
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have your way with me. I mean this relationship between
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you and me is getting out of hand.
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I'm telling you now. All right, my wife is sitting
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two rooms over doing work and she has no idea what we're
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talking about is no idea across the world.
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I'm sorry. Music.
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Now I must turn it off. It's so much fun.
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So look at Tom Baker's. Pained expression, as he walks
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away here's the corresponding seen in the novelization page
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121 actually that's what it's a little bit.
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So I'm getting a little bit ahead.
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This is actually be on the scene we just saw but this is an
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interesting, interesting. Big need Pros page 121 from the
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door of the TARDIS. The Watcher had seen the master
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retracing. Steps to the computer room.
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As he saw now, the doctors perilous Ascent of the Pharaohs
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antenna. These were the conditions of the
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moment. He knew had to come in.
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His mind was a clock. Its hands closing in on the
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inevitable, vertical of midnight.
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And that's big B's way of showing us that the Watcher
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knows. The doctor is about to die.
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That's the moment. He's waiting to be born, you
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know, I think I feel as if we may have reached Peak podcasting
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here, having you reading out that excerpt from Um, the
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lakopolous novel whilst Paddock England's Folsom is music was
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playing in the background. I can't wait to listen to this.
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You know, it's gonna be amazing. How many times do you run across
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the street and your mind is going, what?
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Could you go back and check out. Why can't you you ready?
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Here we go. Yep, it's so much.
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It is, it's great. And and on the soundtrack that
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my friend made for me years ago, on audio cassette, I would just
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play this over and over again. Like I said, You don't think the
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Tardis is why you see the Tardis in the background, there some
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lip. Yeah, we'll just know you
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compare it to the way that Barry.
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Let's film the same location as director and Terror of the
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autons is a much more visually exciting story.
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Yeah. Although let's not be too hard
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like techniques changing a decade, right?
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Like dude, I just said, Barry. Let you said, let's not be too
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hard. JoJo, come on.
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What did I tell you about puns? All right, Pinky Promise.
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A small thing in it. As you said about John Fraser on
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the nylon show, you what you want to add to the monitor
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subtract from him, and certain digits.
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That's my people talking over there.
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So this is, this is great, because this is supposed to be
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like, it's almost like Reichenbach Falls, isn't it?
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Except it's a Doctor Who version of that they go up to a really
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high location. They have a showdown and then,
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like the doctors hanging on Falls.
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It's basically Isn't it? And it's almost intentional
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because remember Barry. Let's and Terrance dicks pitch
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him specifically as the doctors Moriarty.
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Say it works. And then of course they did talk
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about it again. As recently as spy fall apart to
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get insight with the accent and Jason.
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You go stay with the accent why I might buy British accent is
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useless. So I just speak in pure
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Brooklyn. If you're from Brooklyn, you
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can't do other accident on went home, and it all came in the
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next day and said, the Bowery, what we need is a Moriarty.
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So there we good Terrance dicks. Thank you very much this.
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This whole thing about what on Earth is going on all this
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technobabble they basically could have just said look the
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universe is going to go boom. When I press this Butler's Take
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the gift of Christopher, each bin mean is that if technobabble
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is delivered by actors of this caliber, you believe it, even if
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you don't always catch the exact meaning of all the words, can I
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let you in on a little secret, I thought you already had.
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But yeah, go ahead go ahead. I prefer the technobabble
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Douglas Adams personally because it is it's almost taken a piss
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out the technobabble crispy thing.
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I so overblown it all sounds. So Jealous and yet the
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technobabble all of a sudden she is rooted in real science as
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well. But taken to of like an extreme
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of fum. The funny thing is Tara Douglas
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Adams wasn't sitting out to making fun of science.
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There's a comment that he wrote on the script for now I'm on
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saying can we at least pretend we know what a black hole is.
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He was frustrated by the bed pseudoscience been made himself
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made some mistakes. I can unless your hive Ramana is
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talking about A fifo stack. It's actually a fifo queue.
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The stack is a lifo stack the big me kind of got it wrong but
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he was he had the right idea. He was trying to put all these
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computer terms into the show. I know, technical for Curry's,
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which I mention is that okay? But I love the sound of a
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conceptual geometer. That sounds huh?
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Did I tell you the story about the State of Decay novelization?
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Because we know that dicks and bid me, they hated each other.
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And we know that one of the last thing Terrance dicks ever wrote,
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was that letter to dwm attacking big made for the stuff.
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Big meat said about him and one of the documentaries really in
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the novelization of State of Decay, big meeting, sorry,
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Terrance dicks, as a line to did meet script.
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So when your Mana goes, what's the time to confer go?
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The doctor goes. I think.
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It means the Museum of Technology but on the other
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hand, I might have made it up. That is Dick.
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Throwing Shade been me the 1982, love it love it.
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Well no we said before that Chris frates bid me is it's a
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bit of a genius and created a you know a very robust season of
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Doctor Who he can't touch Terror sticks.
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I'm sorry if that's going to be a hairy heel style fight
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Terrance. Dicks is going to win that hands
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down. Terrance dicks is a genius of
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massive proportions. I like them both and I wish they
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would get along. Now, look at Alias performance
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in the scene. Had sarcastically brushes dust
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from the doctors shoulder. Now he's being serious.
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He's very good in this scene. He's going to go over the top in
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a minute but he's very serious when he needs to be Jason.
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Hi. Joe.
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You know you doing actual emanate other Silhouettes in a
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very strongly there against the like.
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Yes. I'll pick dude on the looks like
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that. Such a rude.
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Looking weapon. Come in here and try to elevate
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the discourse. I try to talk about Jackie Lane.
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I read you from a book by speaking soft measured tones.
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And here you are getting excited at a prop.
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Well, the things you could do with that TC, I'm telling ya.
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Sorry, this is very important, things happening.
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Stop bothering me and talk about sexy things because we're a, my
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shortcomings, as a straight cisgender white male come into
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play. I would have no idea what to do
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with that thing. Well, talk off camera.
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Okay, we're coming to the Regeneration.
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Now, let's get out of the bedroom for a moment.
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I just for a moment. Oh, no, he's doing the part of
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pushing. There we go.
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Okay, on the Blu-ray. Right.
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They do you not think that this whole sequence on the blue of
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the new effects was amazing? I'm not the kind of person who
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holds doctor whose effect against it.
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I realize I'm watching, RKO, I can Archive of footage of a dead
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show. I know, angle know it is called
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television. So the visual element is
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important. Yes, but we're watching most TV
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is almost TV is black and white. Most TV is technically no longer
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relevant when we watched out for watching stuff that could no
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longer be made today. I don't mind watching bad
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effects as long as the acting in the dialogue are good.
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Yes, I don't watch all of the Blu-ray.
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Special video features. I don't watch all the updated
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effects. I have watched in the gospels
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when I think it is gorgeous. But if I had a choice as I'm
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doing right now, I'm watching the original version of the
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story. But I am watching the original
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effects right now, about the new ones.
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I tend to agree with you. I just think sometimes they
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managed to realize what was in like.
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Yeah, what was supposed to be on the screen, then they do, they
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manage to get that, right? And they said definitely do with
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this one. Oh, here we go.
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Flashback I love this. All the bad guys coming in to
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talk to him at this moment of extremists.
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There's the pirate. Captain averroes Jason you shall
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pay for this. Here we go.
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Yeah, no wait, but you see this bit in a minute where the dolly
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was hanging and then his arm Falls.
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It's stage differently on the novelization of staged better,
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but the idea was hand falling off and that's how you see him
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die in the original version. There's no stick figure from
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falling to the ground and the version that I'm watching.
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I don't actually see the body fall.
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The doctors just falling to his death or the master just off
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center stage with a little giggle.
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Well, I'll be back in 45 seconds of story time for Castroville
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part 1. I'm going to be serious for a
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second because I think this is Beautifully stage this
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regeneration and the music, the music, my God, the way the music
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is going down the scale over and over again.
25:34
And just the way the camera was coming down as what it's
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unusually shop, doctor, isn't he like fourthly show then grimwade
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was on the floor for this, wearing his black and white
25:43
checked while sure he was there literally right next to the
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actors is a recording this. Yeah it was a saying, if I'll
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tell you to beckon you beckon, all right.
25:56
It was funny watching the pilgrimage and pinpointing all
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the moments, and all the stories were all the stuff come from.
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That line is the end but the moment has been prepared for
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gosh. The only thing is, the only line
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I wish was excised was mr. Kane.
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He was the doctor all the time, you know, the Miracles of
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post-production but like we do. I'd say is the most interesting
26:31
lie realize yeah, for sure. Haines gives it a run, but this
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is probably my favorite. Hello Peter Davis is double
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chin. There reminds me of my covid
26:41
weight gain. Oh my God, I love that.
26:46
There's no doctor face in the closing credits anymore.
26:48
There's just a blank void where the face used to be and John
26:52
Fraser gets second Billy. How awesome is that Jason we
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have been. I feel as if in this podcast
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we've been all around the universe ourselves.
27:00
We've been all around Doctor Who we've taken a little detour to
27:03
the bedroom, we've come back to Doctor, Who.
27:06
Again, I mean, we've covered a lot of ground here and talk
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about a little bit of fair amount.
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But we talked about a lot of the key.
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Key players and their contributions stop to.
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As a whole, I'm going to ask you now to be completely focused and
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give me three recommendations for logopolis three things.
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You mean three things to recommend about logopolis?
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Thank you, sir that a lot more efficiently.
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Yes, script. It is some gorgeous lines of
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dialogue, which I repeat over and over again in my daily.
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Life, John, Fraser's performance is the monitor which is subtle
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and underplayed, and worried, and poignant.
27:48
And lastly, this is Tom Baker's last episode as the doctor and
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he is finding new depth to the character.
27:54
These never showed us before, it is an acting class and maybe we
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didn't talk about Baker as much as we should have but just
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watching Tom Baker, go through this story, It Makes You Weep.
28:05
Imagine if we had season 8 of Tom Baker, with bid, meet script
28:10
editing and a drink gamble, or Whiteman his companions, that
28:13
would have been perhaps a great season 19, he does look as if a
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man who's ready to go, he could have given us more, definitely
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like imagine Dolores given that line rating.
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He was a doctor all the time. But I'm going to add three more.
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So I'm gonna throw in a paddock England score which terrific
28:37
throughout. I mean, I'm doing General.
28:39
Things over p.a. Greenways Direction as a whole
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because I think he has a masterful handle over the tone
28:45
of the piece and as much as it pains me to say because it's
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literally going to get a hard-on by me saying this Christopher
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h-bridge Meads script which I was wrong 16 years ago.
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I'm saying it now to you. I was wrong.
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He has written a very good script.
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It's a little bit messy, structurally, I think, but with
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massive Concepts, terrific dialogue and a sense of
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momentum, which climax is on one of the most memorable set pieces
29:16
ever. In October there you have it.
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Joe, thank you for coming on hamster with a blunt penknife.
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Thank you. For retracting.
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Your opinion from 17 years ago, we can both agree.
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Logopolis is one of the Great Stories.
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Good night, everybody.