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Luke Kuechly Opens Up About Why He Walked Away & His Football Obsession + NFL Votes To Ban Tush Push · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 1: how our brackets have basically just taken a beating by
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  Speaker 1: a torpedo bat. Speaking of torpedo bets, we also dive
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  Speaker 1: into the torpedo bat conversation in baseball, and we also
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  Speaker 1: sprinkle in a little bit of NFL talk because the
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  Speaker 1: coach's picture came out. We throw a couple of fun
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  Speaker 1: jabs at Vaibel. We talk about his fit. We also
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  Speaker 1: talk about the tush push rule that is being decided
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  Speaker 1: your boy as a linebacker. I aspired. I aspire to
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  Speaker 1: Luke Keighley, what got him out of the league with
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  Speaker 1: concussions and we talk about his post football life. This
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  Speaker 1: I want to say too. It was like the first
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  Speaker 1: But they won seventy three to seventy. Oh god, Arkansas,
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  Speaker 1: Kansas seventy three to seventy.
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  Speaker 2: That is sickening. And how does Vegas know. I just
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  Speaker 2: don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna sandwich this whole thing with positive negative positive.
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  Speaker 2: real quickly, what do you mean? Hey? Oh, hang on
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  Speaker 2: the way, who thought you were Jens? Fucking you? Get
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  Speaker 2: what a feeling? What a feeling? You know nothing? And
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  Speaker 2: just go How about these four? Hey, I heard Houston's
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  Speaker 2: pretty good. I'll put them in the Elite eight. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: Florida's pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: Eight?
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  Speaker 2: Sure, this is the phrase I keep hearing in my head.
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  Speaker 2: No one's gonna be surprised if Michigan makes it the
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  Speaker 2: Sweet sixteen. Let's plopped them in there right there, and
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  Speaker 2: then your boys in Arizona. Boy, So what are we
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  Speaker 2: gonna do. We're gonna put them in this Sweet sixteen
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  Speaker 2: as well. Yes, all of them hit, Yes, all of
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  Speaker 2: them head.
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  Speaker 1: Thankfully, thankfully, because you were on pace to jinx it.
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  Speaker 2: Fortunately, I threw a little prayer for you. I appreciate that. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. There was talking about chickens hatching eggs.
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  Speaker 2: He's just trying to He's trying to do the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: I understand. Get let's not get ahead of ourselves. That's all.
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  Speaker 2: It's all in the brain of looking out for your boy.
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  Speaker 2: I love it, and I actually appreciate you guys doing
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  Speaker 2: that because it allowed me and sure him to cook
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  Speaker 2: up a nice little video that I truly enjoyed. I
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed making that sing on the train tracks, you me
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  Speaker 2: and Jared Shirtless. Jared was filming that also, shirtless. Right
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  Speaker 2: guy pulled up on us right after, right after we finished.
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  Speaker 2: He goes hey, we're just three pasty white guys sitting
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  Speaker 2: by train tracks. He goes hey, don't do that again, Yes, sir, Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 2: We got a light pile back into my truck, just
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  Speaker 2: one bench seat. We just gotta pull off out of there.
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  Speaker 2: But it was fun to make. It was fun to do.
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  Speaker 2: It's nice to have those things happen. Home Run Parlays.
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  Speaker 2: We had a nice little one Friday didn't even get close,
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  Speaker 2: did Was.
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  Speaker 1: It plus one hundred and ninety three thousand, ninety three
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  Speaker 1: million million million? Yeah, one hundred and ninety eight million odds.
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  Speaker 2: So we learned a couple of things about fans since yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he won fifty one cents to win nine hundred and
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  Speaker 2: I think ninety six thousand dollars. Yeah, And so we
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  Speaker 2: we get in the office foot Friday morning, we're kind
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  Speaker 2: of hanging out and well, right.
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  Speaker 1: Now because the home run Jackpop parlay, like everybody was
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  Speaker 1: hitting dingers when open.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone, especially the Yankees. Yeah, going nuts. Yah, those
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  Speaker 2: torpedo bats, which I kind of love. We'll get to
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  Speaker 2: that in a minute. But Saran put together no Coop
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  Speaker 2: comes over to me and goes, my boys who love baseball.
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  Speaker 2: These are the three right here, and it was like
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  Speaker 2: plus eight hundred or plus one thousand odds, And I
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  Speaker 2: just was like, yeah, I mean, your boy say it,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna bet it. So I bet it. Then Shearon goes,
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna get a little crazy. He puts
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  Speaker 2: nine lakes together with you know, a number that I've
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  Speaker 2: never seen before my entire life. Go to put in
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  Speaker 2: like a hundred bucks, Yeah, to pass we win one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Was walking around.
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  Speaker 1: He was walking around with the FanDuel AAP and he
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  Speaker 1: just hand you the phone and say, pick a guy
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  Speaker 1: in this game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where for me in the past. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And I find out on Fandle the max bet you
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  Speaker 2: can win a million dollars. So it all we all
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  Speaker 2: had to bet, like I think the max was fifty
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  Speaker 2: six cents on that. Jared had a great little idea,
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  Speaker 2: bet at four or five times and then you can
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  Speaker 2: start cashing out periodically. But I told him, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty sure like that would get flagged something,
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  Speaker 2: something would happen with that. But I but I fell.
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  Speaker 2: I did the same thing. I got. I bet like
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  Speaker 2: four or five times. I'm kind of hyped up. I
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  Speaker 2: go look at I go home. I literally tell my wife, sweetie,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna win a million dollars today. There's an opportunity
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  Speaker 2: for us to win a million. She goes, how much
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  Speaker 2: did you bet you? Two quarters and six cents. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I did. And at the first leg, nope, second
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  Speaker 2: leg Nopecause we were.
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  Speaker 1: One one hit, right, a few of these will hit
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  Speaker 1: and we'll cash out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, get up to a couple of thousand, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a couple of thousand. Kind of just pop that thing
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  Speaker 2: in there, no problem. But I think that's the thing
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  Speaker 2: we should do Fridays Ungodly parlays put fifty cents on
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  Speaker 2: it is eventually you keep swinging, right, it's baseball keeps
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  Speaker 2: we eventually you make contact. Fifty cent Friday. I like it.
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  Speaker 2: We might have to.
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  Speaker 1: We might have to start looking at the few cats
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  Speaker 1: on the Yankees because they've just been going yard.
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  Speaker 2: There's a video that came out. There's this guy sitting
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  Speaker 2: in like right field. Yankees fans get the Yankee shirt
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  Speaker 2: on Yankee hat and he goes. I had a dream
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  Speaker 2: last night that the top three and the first inning
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  Speaker 2: all hit home runs, and it shows him reacting to
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  Speaker 2: all three guys hitting home was like, the first six
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  Speaker 2: guys right, so are just going off? Wait? Wait all
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  Speaker 2: of that at home runs? Home runs in a row? No,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it was in a row, but I
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  Speaker 2: think the first three guys hit home runs right back
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  Speaker 2: to back to back home runs because these vortex bats,
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  Speaker 2: which I kind of love. The torpedoes.
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  Speaker 1: the Yankee Aaron Judge.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's just hitting bombs amazing.
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  Speaker 1: What was I think I saw a stat that was like,
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  Speaker 1: he's hit he's on pace to hit over three hundred
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  Speaker 1: home runs right now in a season, and he's hit
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  Speaker 1: how many home runs and like like five home runs
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  Speaker 1: and seven at bats or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: At one point yesterday it was four home runs at
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  Speaker 3: nine at bats.
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  Speaker 1: In nine at bats. I mean, the dude is just
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  Speaker 1: going yard. Yes, and you learn about this, what is
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  Speaker 1: it some mit guy, some cat that they hired a
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  Speaker 1: new moneyball We need to get another Moneyball movie. In
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  Speaker 1: the words, get Brad Pitt back in there, do it
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  Speaker 1: over this mit guy averaging.
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  Speaker 2: Five forty five That is incredible. Yeah, with four home runs,
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  Speaker 2: four home runs already two games in crazy Yeah, helping
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  Speaker 2: his boys out of there.
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  Speaker 1: So what does anybody We don't have coup on the bus.
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  Speaker 1: So it sounds like they're taking some wood near the
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  Speaker 1: handle and they're putting it around the street spot.
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  Speaker 2: My understanding of the bat thing is that it has
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  Speaker 2: to be a certain weight, and so there's distributing more
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  Speaker 2: weight from the handle through the barrel of the bat,
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  Speaker 2: essentially giving us all our Little League board text bats back. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But if you look at the shape the to like
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  Speaker 3: how it like builds up and then goes back down
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  Speaker 3: the end of it's like the same size.
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  Speaker 2: Of a normal bat.
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  Speaker 3: But they're like just compressing the amount of wood that's
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  Speaker 3: in that one sweet spot.
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  Speaker 2: So if it hits, it's called juice in that one
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  Speaker 2: spot of the bat. Juice in it.
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  Speaker 3: And if you miss it, like by a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: like you'll still hit a good ball. But basically their
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  Speaker 3: their focus is on this one spot of impact and
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  Speaker 3: you should have success.
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  Speaker 1: It's insane to me that that is legal legal, But
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  Speaker 1: I will say this, I personally enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think let's just hit home runs. Right? Is
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  Speaker 2: there anybody is anybody on this bus?
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  Speaker 1: Let guys take steroids, Let guys juice the bat and
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  Speaker 1: let it.
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  Speaker 2: Would you imagine TRT with this bat? Yeah, it'd be
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  Speaker 2: it'd be insane. Everyone always talks about baseball. I don't
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  Speaker 2: follow a whole lot of baseball. But they're like bringing
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  Speaker 2: back to Mark McGuire, the Sabososa earrow of of the steroids.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone was just hitting all the time and always like
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  Speaker 2: tuning in to be like, this guy's gonna hit one.
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  Speaker 2: I know, chasing records every year, chasing records every single year.
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  Speaker 2: And now you bringing this bat without the needle. It's
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  Speaker 2: like you're kind of getting what you're asking for. Everyone's
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  Speaker 2: kind of getting back to whatever that timeframe was.
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  Speaker 6: And one, I don't know why it took so long,
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  Speaker 6: because clearly it's allowed.
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  Speaker 7: By the rules, isn't.
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  Speaker 6: They're insane, right, And if you're a team, how have
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  Speaker 6: you not already chased that edge for it? And then now,
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  Speaker 6: if you're a team and you're seeing the Yankees, why
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't you immediately hire a staff and create these bats
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  Speaker 6: for your team like.
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  Speaker 2: The next like this week?
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  Speaker 1: Right, every team should have these fucking vortex these torpedo bats.
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  Speaker 3: Me and my boys are saying the Yankees should just
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  Speaker 3: somehow trademark.
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  Speaker 2: It, make sure no one else can no one else
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  Speaker 2: can do it. That's when it gets canceled.
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  Speaker 3: That is when it gets canceled. But at least for
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  Speaker 3: this first like month of baseball. She'd be like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you didn't read this.
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  Speaker 2: Fine print right there, you stop production.
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  Speaker 3: We'll actually take those yo.
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  Speaker 2: Show was one hundred million dollars now for even trying.
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  Speaker 1: So did you compare to think? It's nuts how that
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  Speaker 1: loophole was found. I'm making this.
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  Speaker 2: I want to see the first guy on the other
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  Speaker 2: team that noticed that bat, that the first up at
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  Speaker 2: bat that got hold in the bat, and like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't can they do that?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I knew that teams made their own bats. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I just thought it was Louisville sluggers.
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  Speaker 2: Althought we all just go to Dick' Sporting Goods in
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  Speaker 2: the corner and be like, all right, yeah, we'll get
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  Speaker 2: an MLB baseball bat. It's not how it works at all. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: amount of money that's in baseball, especially moneyball, you see
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  Speaker 2: all everyone's always trying to find that one percent. How
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  Speaker 2: is this happening now when I.
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  Speaker 1: Took this long and the fact that that's that's even allowed,
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  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, what was the hold up?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? And I want to know.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to know how that conversation went down
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  Speaker 1: where this MIT guy sparked this idea.
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  Speaker 2: I have an idea slower, stands up nervous. That is crazy,
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  Speaker 2: makes makes baseball more exciting.
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  Speaker 3: People on Twitter like making it bigger each like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so funny it is.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, that's kind of dope. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The size of Aaron Judge using the bat is just
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  Speaker 3: that's unfair.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, six seven, When is he two sixty? He's enormous.
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  Speaker 2: He's a unit. Yeah, it's like me on the woftball field. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: wolftball is a different game. Now you see those some
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  Speaker 2: of those cats out there pitching the way they do
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  Speaker 2: just crazy. Yeah, Baseball's Baseball's getting interesting again.
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  Speaker 1: Now that's getting interesting now that we're down to the
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  Speaker 1: final four. Who are you guys? I mean, it's just this.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like a no brainer. Duke, Right, I'm Duke.
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  Speaker 8: I have floida in my bracket, but I think Duke's
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  Speaker 8: gonna pull it off.
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  Speaker 1: They look incredible, man, they look incredible. They just operate too.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I saw to where they're the highest scoring
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  Speaker 1: like Duke team on points per game in the tournament
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  Speaker 1: that of all time.
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  Speaker 9: It's impressious.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: You know, it's hard to uh forba M to have
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: a showing like that against a team like Duke. You
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: want to at least, you know, you think you slow
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: momentum down a little bit with Cooper Flag. But they
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: have guys everywhere. Their center is insane. Uh yeah, seven
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: what's his name, kanneplek Nipple something. He's lights out, Proctor's
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: lights out. I think he's the most underrated guy on
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: their team. But to have a night like Bama did
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: on Thursday too, then that was just highs and lows in.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: The truest form.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, Tennessee was struggling too, Jack, How is your mental?
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: How is your mental yesterday? Watching that game?
• 15:31
  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, well, I don't know where we're
• 15:37
  Speaker 8: gonna go with this. Tennessee got their assh Well, they
• 15:39
  Speaker 8: played horrible. They were over fourteen from three, they were
• 15:42
  Speaker 8: two for twenty two or two for twenty three from
• 15:46
  Speaker 8: field goals in like the first thirteen minutes.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: It was horrible. And then Houston was playing lights out too.
• 15:51
  Speaker 8: So I was just happy that we put hands on
• 15:54
  Speaker 8: Kentucky on Friday night.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: That's a big one, That's all.
• 15:57
  Speaker 8: I mean, Like it makes how horrible the performance was
• 16:02
  Speaker 8: yesterday feel a little better, but yeah, you know, just
• 16:06
  Speaker 8: what happens, man, You play so many games in the
• 16:08
  Speaker 8: span of three weeks that if you don't play lights
• 16:11
  Speaker 8: out the whole time, you're gonna get got in Tennessee.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Got got.
• 16:15
  Speaker 8: But to any of the Kentucky fans out there, I'm sorry.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Sorry that the last laugh, didn't you just Kenty fan.
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: I think what's cool about this Final four is that
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: it's two og coaches versus two young coaches. But the
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: style of basketball is very similar, you know, amongst everyone.
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: And for John Shire, if they win, he could be
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: the first ever guy to win as a player at
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: his school and as a coach at his school. And
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: he's extremely young. And I don't know if y'all heard
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: Pat BEV talking about him or if y'all remember watching
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: John Shire playing. He was a dog in college, set
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: records in high school. And I can't remember if he
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: was from Ohio. He's from Illinois. Luke Canard is from
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: Ohio broke Lebron's record. But John Shire was like the
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: guy in Chicago. Pat Bev's talking about him, like, man,
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: this dude. He would pull up to any gym. Everybody
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: feared him. And this is in inner city Chicago. John
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: Shire pulls up, They're all like we don't want any
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: part of it. And the only reason he stopped playing
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: in the NBA was because he got poked in his
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: eye and he's legally blind in one of his eyes.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: No shit, Yeah, so he is. He was. He was
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: such a beast watch and he was like peak college
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: basketball fandom when we're I think they won twenty ten,
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: so we're like freshmen in high school talking at the
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: lunch table. Yeah, so it's cool to see him in
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: the in the championship.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know who beats him. I mean, I guess,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: you know, an it's anybody's game. But just watching Duke
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: far thus far, like they just seem to be operating
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: at a different level when they're on the floor.
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Houston could. I mean the fact that they're the
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: team with the lowest turnover rate in the country. You
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: always have a chance with that, But Duke, they just
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: get easy buckets. Every other team, I feel like has
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: to get hard buckets, and every single one of Duke's
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: baskets on Alabama seemed like it was wide open. But yeah,
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: Gary Nelson cat is.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: An update on our brackets. Well, I learned in the
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: pre production, meaning that Garrett is now the leader in
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: the clubhouse with our brackets throughout? Was it ninety nine percent?
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one seed, one seed?
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: None of this bullshit.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Gosh, I saw the board, the.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Percentile, Yeah, I mean top three. I had to take
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: my guys out for, you know, the betterment of the brackets.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you understood, you understood, You understood better than I did.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I got a little too generous with the Michigan. But
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: the futures hit, futures hit, though, we put when we
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: need him in that futures bet.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: I do think the best matchup is Florida Duke, just
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: because Florida has bigs that can try and guard Duke.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Florida's got a point guard that's like out and Duke
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: is proven that they're.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: And do you have Duke in Florida in your final two?
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: I do so I'm a little biased.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because I got Houston and Florida in my
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: final two. I wonder if I can catch you.
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: Garrett is ranked in the top ten thousand brackets.
• 19:13
  Speaker 10: No, yes, let's gone, God bless why one seeds?
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this weekend, I just see JP tweeted about next year.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I'm only going, Well, you're auto drafting, bro, you thought
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: every upset in the world was gonna happen, didn't you.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: It's march.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: It's march man. That's how it used to be, and
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: that's how you used to get paid. Yeah more, but
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: now I just hold on to it and yeah, I
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: mean there was only one upset in the first round.
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: Obviously we're in the Elite eight. It was all ones
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: and twos except for one three seed. Yeah, so it's
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: tough year, but there's always next year for the Yeah,
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: but it seems like they.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Laid it out forty recommnd us.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: I hope as far as upsets go, the quality of
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: basketball is very good.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: But I don't know, do you guys watch the Michigan
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Auburn game at all? I mean, it was like there
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: was quality basketball going on, but there was a five
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: minutes span in that second half where it was just
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: turnover after turnover, everyone just running down to the other
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: side of the court, losing the ball and someone grabbing
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: and then losing the ball on the other side.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: Well, the ball in this tournament, there was a lot
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: of complaints in the beginning that it's like overinflated, so
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: a lot of guys were having trouble ball handling it
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: over inflated.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little opposite of Tom Brady to flate gate, right,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: something going on? Okay, all right, Auburn.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: All connected, tom Brady, Michigan over inflated.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Let's see what's going on here. Michigan always a common
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: denominator in those things. When during the SEC Tournament he
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: said he went to the game and he saw Florida
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: and Alabama, and Florida just wiped the floor of Alabama's
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the point where She's like, I just got to sit here. Oh,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I'll get to a point here. He's like, I gotta
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: sit here and basically just watch great basketball take place.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: And so when I'm watching the Michigan Auburn game, like
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Michigan's down by one at the end of the first half,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: and the second half they go up seven, I'm thinking,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: holy shit, the boys are gonna do. My bracket's looking fantastic.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: And then Auburn, this center goes crazy, and then zero
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: this freshman starts going nuts, like just basically closing his
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: eyes and throwing the ball in the air. It goes
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: in every single time to the point where they just
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: started to run away with it. And I thought I
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: was in the same position. I thought about you, and
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is I just got to watch
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Auburn do incredible things right now because they were not missing.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: There's nothing Michigan could do this.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I'm alled JP say his two cents about the center,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: but Oliver like him.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: He is a little demonstrative with his hand gestures. He
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: loves to be seen. I don't like that.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Zero Pettiford's nice. Auburn's still ass fuck Auburn, but Petiford
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: is nice. I'm alled JP talk about four real quick.
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: Broom tweeted it out. But he is the most over
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: dramatic player in college basketball. Yes, he is a beast,
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: but he's also like twenty three years old, and he
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: carries himself like he is Lebron And I want him
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: to do I want him to have I want him
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: to get rich after school. I don't wish any I
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: don't want him to have a horrible career in the NBA.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: But I can't see him in the NBA doing his thing,
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: and the way he carries himself, you would think he's
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: he's a number one draft pick. But last night in
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: the game, did y'all watch it? This guy bro Now
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: he went down and like it looked like he kind
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: of messed up his knee, and so it's like, oh, snap,
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: that's obviously not good. But then you start hearing it's
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: his shoulder or something, his elbow, and he's like sitting
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: there on the ground with that look of like, man,
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: my tournament's over, and so you're you're feeling for him.
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: He's walking by his teammates, he hugs his mom. He
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: goes to the locker room, tolds yes, maw's the coach.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: I'm done. I'm like, dang, and you know, he bought.
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: He battled through some injuries earlier in the year that
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: we're also kind of overhyped when it first happened. But
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: he goes to the locker room, come back, comes back out,
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: gets the big cheer, and then immediately gets grabs a
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: one handed rebound and then goes and knocks down a
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: three and is like juicing everyone up. I'm like, this
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: is not you can't do this, this is not allowed,
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: and Taylor likes it.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: He went in there, got that blue bound State shot
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: bro State training staff and they got that need allowed.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: And then I can't wait till he's.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I didn't know he did that. Listen, he overcame an injury.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: I get he overcame an injury I did.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I hated that he was doing it to Michigan,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: but I loved like his physicality and the paint like
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: he was body and catch plays in the corner you
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: know there, and then grew.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Up playing sports like you all. You know, you know
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: those teammates that were like, dude, are you even that injured?
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Right now?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I know?
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: And he is that teammate and now he's getting it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: He's up for National Player of the Year too.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Oh you would hate that, Yeah, just the way you said.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: Up for you the flag broom. This guy man, I've
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: been hating on him for for a while now.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Really, so I brought up a sore subject because he'll
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: be doing it like he will put it on South
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Carolina even though we should have beat them this year.
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: Lost the end. But yeah, he's been he's been bothering
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: me for a while. Damn the NBA.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: It does got talent. And don't you want your players
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: to be like over confident in their abilities. Don't you
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: want like, if this guy's on South Carolina, you would
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: love him?
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: No? Yeah, I mean I would I love anybody that
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: wears gardening black. But the Pettiford guy. He's a perfect example.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: Like he runs his mouth, he thinks he is one
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: of the best point guards ever to touch the basketball court.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: And he's fun to watch and he doesn't give off
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: the vibe that Broom does like the Auburn point guard.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: He has this his tape from high school where he's
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: just finding every camera before the game, like I'm killing
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: these I'm doing it into everybody. Then highlights, we roll,
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: putting on a show and I'm about that. He didn't
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: fake injuries, this kid, This kid, he didn't fake injuries.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: This kid zero was insane, unbelievable. He's a freshman, right.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, drive into the paint on you guys, drove into
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: the paint, stopped, turn, spun out of it, and hit
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: like a fade away jumper at the elbow.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: And it was we had that seven footer he like
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: somehow got like the exchange, like someone tried to do
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: a pick and so the seven footer went on him
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and he like just stuttered him real quick and put
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: that kid's feet and just went around laid that thing
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: up no problem. It was crazy to watch anywhere he was, dude,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: anywhere on the court he was. He put that ball
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: in the air. It either went to somebody got an assist,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: or he just went in the net.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: It was crazy, yeah games over the weekend, but then
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: there were some really bad ones.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all of our teams just got murdered. You me,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Jack Weird paid though. Yeah that bracket, shout out that bracket,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: shoutout March madness. Dude, it's awesome.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: What are we thinking in do we have any any
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: any football topics? I know the the NFL is officially
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: voting on banning the toush push h Why.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: My vov no ban, it'd be no ban.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Like I it's like, I get frustrated watching it, but
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you gotta line up,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: you gotta figure out a way to stop it. I think,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: if anything, they need to be very they need to
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: be very detailed on the offense, like false starting, because
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: there it's just such a different looking formation when everybody's
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: all like on all fours, and I feel like there's
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: false starts that kind of happen before the ball is snapped.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I'll be more focused on getting that kickoff reverse back
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: to what it was like that we have bigger issues
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: out there than the touch push like, you just have
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: man on man, you have dudes on dudes. How tough
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: are you versus how tough am I? And we're gonna
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: find out who's better in this moment. Yeah, it's it's
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: It's an extremely hard play to get passed. There's no doubt.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, they've done it for a couple of years
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: now and just have had a insanely high success rate.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Other teams that try to mimic it and can't do it,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: but no one's stopping anybody else from doing this formation. Yeah,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: it's a torpedo back is to But yeah, you brought
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: up the Bills. The Bills did it, but they do
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: it differently, like Josh Allen takes a step to the
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: left and goes to the b gap.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: They just do it differently, right, And you're saying and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: not have success. So I'm saying the Bills, like, if
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: you're gonna do it, you just need to go all
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: out and do it like they do it exactly like
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the Eagles do it have to.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I mean no, it's not like they they patent it
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: and they're like, hey, nobody else can do this play.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Anybody else can do that play and get it done. Sorry,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the Eagles quarterback squad six hundred fifty pounds, like, get
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: you a quarterback? Yeah, behind that old line and you
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: have three guys pushing like, I don't see anything wrong
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: with that at all. I see nothing wrong. It sucks.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: It's especially when your team's playing the Eagles and it's
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: fourth to one. You know, hey, they're gonna get it.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: When you're the commanders and go, yeah, they can award
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: you a free one.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: But it's just I think it's almost ridiculous to even
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: like outlaw this.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Did you see uh, did you see the coaching photo.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Do you see our boy Brad? Yeah, shoulders a little
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: stiff in there. Huh, he looks a little siting.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: He's got that funny he's got that little that little grin,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: that smile where he's actually giving a smile.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I saw zooming on the photo of the four guys
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: in there. Callahan's in there. It's like when you have
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: to hang out with your ex, uh, your girlfriend's ex boyfriend.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: It's kind of just kind of sitting there and Raves
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: is over above him, and that that is Braves has
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: got to feel good walking into that building right there,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, I'm fucking back. But you know he's
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: got it. He's got his little walk in. Yeah, a
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: little stres just owning the room.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: But that right, the strut, the confidence, it's swagged that
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: we know Rabel has none of it.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: None of it is in that photo. He's doing the
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Will Compton flex is what he's doing. The shoulder up
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: a little bit, got this little thing going, you sees, Pegs.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Has he been in the weight room a little No, No,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: he's been hitting that. He's been hitting that little bag
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: real slow with stretching the corner him and Frank.
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: You think he was alty that they had him at
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: the end.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, who knows.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: Maybe I just pictured the person in charge of the photo,
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: like all right, everybody line up please, single, single file
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: line and you just got Andy Reid in the front. Yeah,
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: Like I just pictured that whole behind the scenes process
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: being hilarious.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I wonder if he tried to walk towards the mither, like, oh,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: could you mind?
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Actually, Mike's over here to the right, zime, no farther.
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I've only won.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: A few super at some point he's he's like away
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: from everybody else.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: There's like a big space that's good to himself too,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Like I've only won a few Super Bowls and played
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: fourteen years?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how many? How many years in the NFL these
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: guys play, that's crazy.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I want like the one time you know too, that
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: you can look at this photo and kind of laugh,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: knowing you can kind of goof on him.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like, yo, I would whoop your ass in
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: this situation, but knowing like this is the only moment,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: but outside of it, it'd get a little too physical.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Did All right, Bro, We're relax, put your little little
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: chest pad on and go go to practice, go to
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: just me. We know you're a psycho. Yeah, it's interesting.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's got to feel good walking in and
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Patriots head coach. They spent like one hundred and forty
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: million dollars this offseason. They're just getting all He's getting,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: all those guys, Harold Landry Splaine, all these things. He's
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: getting everybody he wants. He's got Drake May who people
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: are kind of whispering like this kid's a lot better
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: than people think. They've brought on two digs, yes and
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: digs on which interesting.
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: And Vrabel digs dynamic to be interesting.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: That is going to be. But I feel like he
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: can handle it. He needs his Yeah, he needs a dog.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I thought. I thought, I thought for a min they're
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: to get aj. I thought for a moment, they're only
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: going snipe aj Or from the Eagles. Man.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know Digs whatsoever, just on headlines, right and
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: gossip and everything else. But again, it's like Raves was working.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Raves worked with a lot of different personalities on the tidies.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like Braves is somebody that gets it, gets
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that out of those.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: He's got that tomlin S kind of vibe where he
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: can take multiple personalities make them work together.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Like we were built around the run game and you
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: had a savage like AJ Brown on the outside, who
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: you know, was frustrated at a time.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I mean aj was going off, Corey Davis was going
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: off as soon as a j yacht. There. You had
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: who else, Johnny Smith like you had so much talent
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: on some of those teams, Khaliff Raymond just burning kats
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: in Baltimore.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: It's in the right amount. Those guys want to be
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: challenged and they don't. They don't want to coach it.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: They can say everything they want to. They want a
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: guy that will sort of check them. And I feel
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: like it. It does. It's like you said, bring out
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: the best.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely a respect factor that needs it needs
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: to happen with some of these personalities.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: And whether or not as a player, you whether or
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: not you want that or you like that. Right, it
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: does it ultimately like lits you up and then you
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: kind of look back.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: On like, oh this guy was good for me. Yeah,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: this is where this is where Rabel's fourteen year comment
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: is gonna probably go a long way with dis Yeah,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: he did do it for a long time. Yeah, I've
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: been nice. Hell always be chirping about how many touchdowns
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: he has and all these different things. How many you
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: got this year? I had this man one year.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Those bringing up legends, like big personalities like Randy Moss
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: walk through here. I don't know if he played with
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Randy though, No, Well it will be called it's like
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: being able to play as a team. Yeah, when did
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: frames retire?
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: He played with Randy? Right, that's a twenty seven team.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I was walking around, I can I can picture myself
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: walking around my high school hallways spouting off about how
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I have Randy Johnson on my fantasy football team.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: So I don't Johnson picture.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Randy Moss spout off about how I have Randy Moss
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and my fantasy football team.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: But I don't know. He might have just missed. Was
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: it eight? No, he was still in it. Oh seven?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Was that season right? O? Seven eight? Super Bowl? Or
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: was it eight? Season nine Super Bowl? I think it
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: was seven o eight? Oh yeah he played. Oh there
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: you go there. It is good research. Sure, nice work.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I shout out Rames being back in there. Man,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: we got to fix that photo though, rapes. Let's take
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: care of that next time we go in there. Let's
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: get a shirt that's a little more fitted, a little
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: more customed out. We got to get out the fox
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: bro too. We gotta sit down. Yeah, gotta see him
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: walk around like we own the place. And then we
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: see him, we just curl up our feet on his desk.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: He walks in shit, no doubt. Look at him in shape?
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: What a beauty? Yeah? What else we got? Boys? We
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: feel good. We have a massive guest today. Yeah, do
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: you want to, I'll let you up the floor. This
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: is a big moment for Wilcompton.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was ecstatic when he was about
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: coming to Nashville because he was wanting to come on
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: when we were going to the Super Bowl.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: But it was like, bro, we.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Gotta get you on the bus and we can find
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: him if we can find that because we've been we've
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: been going back and forth with Luke since maybe November
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: October last year because Paul Swan shut up all Swan
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: he kind of hooked it up, put us in a
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: group chat and we were going back and forth. He
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: was already you know, Luke would be out hunting. He's
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: an outdoorsman. He'd have a lot of different things going on.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: He was requesting to come on during uh during the
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: super Bowl, but again it's like, bro, we gotta get
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: you on the bus so we can find a moment.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And I think he came out and worked with Vanderbilt
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: like he was out with Vanderbilt earlier. That earlier that
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: when he came on the bus was in the afternoon,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: but he was at Vandy old morning. I think just
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: helping with the staff, maybe talking to the players, working
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: with the linebackers. But yeah, get Luke Keigley on. I mean,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: one of the most accomplished. How long did he play?
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Eight was it eight years?
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: It was eight years?
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, one of the most accomplished careers in that
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: short amount of time ever ever, I mean, he's one
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: of the best.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: And if you're a guy that like truly loves ball,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: like loves the x's and o's of what's going on,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: you're going to love watching Luke Keigley dissect all these things.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: We go into some of the places he's had his
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: back to back picks against the Lions. How he they
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: were in a blitz. They check out the buttz. I'll
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: let him tell a story. But the way he went
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: about the process of the game is a massive reason
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: why he was so successful. Talks about the players he
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: played with, the leadership that was into the rooms. It
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: shows how important a young guy it is for a
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: young guy to get leadership in a room that he
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: walks into, and how important is for those guys that
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: are nine to ten eleven year vets to help the
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: young guys out because it seems like he had great
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: habit before, but getting in with them and them teaching
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: him how to be a pro just send them.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, empowering him like, hey, you are the guy surrounded
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: by guys that are older than you and had like
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: cut their teeth in the league and very like very
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: respected players that were ahead of him. Absolutely, but dude,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: it was awesome. I mean it's Louke Keekley and having
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: him on too. It's like getting to talk to him
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: about all the concussion stuff because he's somebody who played
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: his uh his career and he doesn't really go on
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: much or he hasn't necessarily talked about it a whole lot.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: So getting to kind of dive in on what the
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: insecurities were, like, like what what was popping up, like
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: when those concussions were starting to to create a pattern,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: like being at peace was retired.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: When did he know he was going to retire?
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and him jumping into scouting the year after I
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: thought was insane. Yeah, you're you're just curious a guy
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: at that level, why would you want to go into
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: potentially being a scout in the NFL? Like are you
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: trying to be a GM or you trying to be
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: a coach? And just dabbling in his life after ball
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: since retiring and just hearing him talk about it was
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: awesome and all that seemed like he's he's super he
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: he was super at he's with everything, which I was
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, like as a backer knowing
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: that he played at the highest level every.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Year that he was on the field.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: It's like, man, do you ever think about, like, you know,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: are you bummed that you didn't get to play like
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: fifteen years or put up a career or play as
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: long as like ray Lewis did, like knowing where his
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: stats probably would have fallen.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the only player I've ever seen in my
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: entire life go from being a physical backer and then
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: a little more heady than messy and still have the
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: same amount of productivity. Yeah, because he just understood the
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: game at a different level than everybody else.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just his Like the dude ran a four
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to five I want to say he jumped extremely well
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: on all the combine stuff like his physical capabilities like
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: paired with all that mentality and that preparation and everything else.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: You just got to see he was a stud on
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the field man, and his closing speed, the way he
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: could Again, we're we're talking about at the time Julio
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Jones dunked on him, but he's covering Julio Jones and
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Julio Jones, which looks like, yeah, we were talking about
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: cover four breaking down how he has to run with
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Julio Jones. He wasn't really getting a whole lot of help.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: He had some like late safety help. But we're talking
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: about him running and covering and competing with Julio Jones
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: like when he unfortunately got dunked on.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's just dude, and getting to.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Break down the Dallas Cowboys plays and him turning his
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: head around and getting that pick.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Like his ability was jumping out of cover too, because
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: he knows that that's that's covered. He's probably Stafford gone
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: from his read to somewhere else, having his back to
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: a play and knowing what a person behind Hi misthinking
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: and able to turn. Yeah, it's just incredible, dude. Yeah,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: it's amazing. It just shows like the capability of some
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: football players in their brain that just allows them to
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: operate at that level is just nuts.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just wild dudeses of legends, legend.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Let's get in this episode. Before we do, let's talk
• 37:45
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• 38:18
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  Speaker 2: quite possibly the greatest white athlete to ever be on
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  Speaker 2: this earth, a man who has been said gotten apartment
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: his rookie year, had a bed, no TV, just for
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: his iPad so he could be the greatest. Somehow went
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: to Boston College, should have gone to the University of
• 39:47
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• 39:58
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• 40:00
  Speaker 2: team or there we go. Gotta be starting backer. Bro,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the bus.
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: I appreciate it. It's good to be on here.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, So how do you want to start? How
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: do you want to do this? Heart pounding? Hey? Yes, right, right, okay,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I'll take this.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Go ahead and start right because I'm just looking at it.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: That's that's him, that's that's yeah.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Do you want to start early in his life or
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: he's younger than two? That's what's even crazy? I know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: like that's Did you tell Luke that you actually played
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: two more years in the NFL than him? No? I
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: figured we'd get to that point. It's a fact. I
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: can't run from that situation. We get to that point,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: you get to that point eventually.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can go ahead and start it off. Your
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: kick it while I start to gather my thoughts.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Luke, how does it feeld to be the best white
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: linebacker ever lived? Oh?
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: My gosh, So Brian or Lacker was the guy that
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: I grew up watching him and Zach Thomas are pretty
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: daggon good. And then Chicago guy Dick Buckets. I feel
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: like he kind of kind of got it all rolling
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: a little bit can here get it close? Yeah? But
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: uh it was fun.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: The game of football is special. And the guys that
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: I grew up watching lack Zach Thomas, Derrek Brooks, Ray Lewis,
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: those are the dudes that when I was growing up,
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: I want I want to be like those guys.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: When did the bug hit you? Because everything I know
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: this is obviously the first time we've met. Yeah, but
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: playing against you, practicing against you one time when you brutal,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: terrible actually practices we went away did a joint practice
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: and I was always told this guy, Luke Keigley, like
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: he is a football guy. He's a machine. The way
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: he operates, he calls out plays. You have so many
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: clips of guys saying, oh, we would be sitting there,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: we checked to a play, and then you would call
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: out to play. It was no difference when we were
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: in practice. I actually, I don't know if you read this,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I walked up to you in the middle of practice
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: between plays and said something to you. You were like
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: a goddamn robot, like.
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: You were so dialog I was hot and trying to
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: get off the field.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Dons what you were? So when did the bug hit
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: When did you realize, Okay, football is what I want
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: to do with my life.
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: I think growing up I wanted to play football, probably
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: start in like second or third grade. You know, you
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: grew up in the Midwest. I grew up in Ohio.
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: The first game that that pops on is at noon,
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: so you wake up on Saturday. We always would have
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: football practice on Saturday mornings. We play on Sundays, and
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: then you'd watch college football all day. So I think
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: for me it was started as a young age. That's
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: the one game that I wanted to play, and we
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: didn't have an opportunity to play in two I was
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: in fourth grade because just how the school was set up,
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: my dad didn't play football. We weren't really a football
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: family growing up. So by the time I got involved
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: with it, I was in fourth grade and my brother
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: was in fifth grade, and we just played on the
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: local school team. It was a group of I think
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: it was Saint Mike's Our lated to the Sacred Heart
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: is where I went to school, and then Saint Xavier.
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: Those are the three team, three schools that made up
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: the team. So it was really like third grade that
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: I knew I wanted to play, and then fourth grade
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: is the first year that actually played.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why Boston College? Like coming to were you were
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: you an offer guy coming out.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Of high school?
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I knew. You know, when you're coming up,
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: you never expect you're going to play in the NFL.
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: I think for me, it was always what's the next
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: logical step for me. So when you're in grade school,
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: you want to play on So it was third and fourth,
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: fifth and sixth, seventh and eighth. So when you move
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: up to fifth grade and you're on the fifth and
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: sixth team, you want to play on that team. And
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: then as a sixth grader you play, and then on
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: seventh grade you go back in the same situation, and
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: then you get to high school. We had a freshman team,
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: a jv team, and a varsity team. So my goal
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: in high school was to play on the varsity on
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: the varsity team as a junior, which is crazy. It's crazy.
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: We just had we had so many we had. I
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: went to a private all or a Catholic Jesuit all
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: boys school in Cincinnati. That's kind of one of the
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: reasons I went to BC. But there's sixteen hundred boys
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: and we probably had, you know, three to four hundred
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: kids in the football program.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was huge three to four hundred years.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: So your school is one of the reasons why Ohio
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: always looked at such a big.
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we were Southwest Ohio, so we had like one
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: hundred and thirty five hundred and forty kids on the
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: freshman team. The JV team was just sophomores, and then
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: that was probably seventy eighty kids, and then on the
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: varsity team was like one hundred and forty kids again,
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: so those numbers get big quick. I went to BC
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: because academically was really strong. That was one thing that
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: my parents talked to me a lot about was go
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: somewhere that you wouldn't be able to get into without football.
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: So I wasn't getting in the Boston College. I looked
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: at Stanford, wasn't getting to get in there. Duke and
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: then Virginia were the schools that I was looking at,
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: and I was like, I can't get in to any
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: of these schools without football. And I'm like, if I
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: can get a scholarship to twent of these schools, I
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: got an opportunity to get a five year education of
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: masters for free and go play football. So that's kind
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: of what you're thinking coming out. And Tom O'Brien was
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: a Saint Xavier guy. That's we went to high school.
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: He went to Saint Xavier and then he ended up
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: coaching at Boston College and started pulling kids out of
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: the high school to go to play football Boston College.
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: So we probably had a kid there for I don't know,
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: twenty twenty years in a row from the high school,
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: just overlapping, and the guys that went to school up
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: there had a ton of success. A lot of them
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: were team captains, a lot of them played really well,
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: and it was a really How that program was run
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: was very similar to how the program was running Cincinnati
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: at Saint Xavier High School of just toughness, playing hard,
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: doing the right thing. We didn't always have the best athletes,
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: but we played really well as a team. And when
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: I was being recruited, Matt Ryan was there, so they
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: were They got as high as number two. They beat
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: Virginia Tech in Blacksburg on that pass across the field
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: from Matt I think I think Andre Calender caught that ball,
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: and there was just a ton of hype around them
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: when I was being recruited, and it was good academically.
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: It was outside of Boston. I knew guys that were there.
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: It was a Jesuit school, just like my high school,
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: and they were playing really really good football at the time.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: So were you an overachiever? Like, were you a beast
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: in high school? As well?
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Like, are any guys in that school that three to
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: four hundred? Are there any freshmen or guys playing varsity?
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: No?
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: So, I mean, you know, my my freshman year, I
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: didn't play a whole lot. We had we had since
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: the team was so big. We had an A team
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: and a B team. So the A team would play
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: like on a Wednesday, and the B team would play
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: on a Thursday, so we'd play the other freshman team. Yeah,
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: so they played on I think on Saturdays. The varsity
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: team played Friday nights and then we played Saturdays. Typically,
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: I think is what happened. So freshmen don't play on
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: varsity typically, I don't think. I don't know the last
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: time it's happened. Occasionally you'll get like two or three
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: sophomores play varsity, but they got to be dudes. But
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: I would say that eighty five percent of guys don't
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: aren't on the varsity team. Until they're juniors.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's why your goal was varsity.
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm thinking you like, if you.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Had the bug, if you had this kind of drive,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: the way everyone sees and talks about this kid must
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: have been a freshman on varsity, but this around, it
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: seems like an absolute powerhouse.
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I loved I loved the game of football.
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: I was small, so my freshman year I played outside linebacker,
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: and my sophomore year they moved me to tight end
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: because the backers that we had they were bigger than me.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: There there's better.
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: So my sophomore year those guys all play backer and
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: then I played tight end, and then.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: My juniories I was a good blocker. Yeah, I'll tell
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: you what.
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: I'm so glad I didn't have to play offense because
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: all formations and trades and shifts. You play mike backer,
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: you just line up in the middle of the field. Yeah,
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: you don't got to go anywhere.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: So that you're also calling out all those tradesformations and ship. Yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: it's but oftense. Guy.
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: There was a guy named Ryan Long. He played right
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: tackle and he played tight end in the year before
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: and then I think in like training camp and then
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: they moved me to tight end and they moved him
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: to tackle, so he knew all the formations, so I'd
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: line up next to him in the huddle. They called
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: the playmac Where do I line up?
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Shit?
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: So I Ryan Long was like my my life support? Uh,
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: playing tight end and then I switched back to linebacker
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: as a junior, and then I played like a hybrid
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: safety as a senior.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: So, so, as a junior on varsity, were you starting
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: at that point? I did? Okay, That's when when they.
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: Was so I started to grow. I started to grow
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: a little bit. I got a little bigger.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: How big were you going into BC?
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: Oh Man? So I played my senior year at like
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: two twelve and then I got to b C. I
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: was probably like two eighteen. So I played I don't know,
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: two eighteen, two twenty as a freshman, and then like
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: two twenty eight as a sophomore, and then as a junior,
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: I played like two thirty one two.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Just a thicky When did you know in college that hey,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I might have something, I might have a future in
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: the NFL.
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: So I think you know you? So in college it
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: was interesting because Mark Hurzlik, you guys remember him, monster. Yeah.
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: So Mark Hurzlik was a junior. I went to spring game.
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: He was he was going into his what was it?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Because he got done with his junior year, right, he
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: was like a first round potential. The cancer thing happened. Yeah,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: he fought his way sat out a year, so he
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: fought his way back.
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: I go to spring ball going as when I'm a senior,
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: Mark's going to be a He's he's going to be
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: a senior in college. So it's his spring ball before
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: his senior year, and they've been telling me, like, Mark's
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: got like a low back hamstring thing, He's probably not
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: going to play a lot in the spring gam I
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: was bummed because I wanted to watch him play. So
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: he goes and plays, a couple of snaps comes out,
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: and then like a couple of weeks later, it's he's
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: got ewing sarcoma bone cancer. So I get there, I
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: get to school. Mark's out the whole year. Essentially he
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: red shirted as he was dealing with cancer. I don't
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: know how the guy did it. He was there all
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: the time, worked out every day, was still big and strong,
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: was in all the meetings. It was fantastic. As a
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: young guy to go. Yeah, he had gone through chemo radiation, everything,
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: but he was a great older guy to have at
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: BC As a freshman, he wasn't playing, so there was
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: like no stress of I mean he was dealing with
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: cancer obviously, but yeah.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: That is a that is a football thing to say.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: The stress of playing as crazy.
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: So so then Mark's out. Mike McLoughlin was our Mike linebacker.
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: He's like the prototype from Massachusetts. He had the he
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: had the cowboy collar neck roll, he had the little
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: bull ring.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he wore the diaper chin strap. No he didn't.
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: He had a diaper chin strap and then he switched
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: over to the pad in one. But he was like
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: the prototype. He was coming back from an achilles, so
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: he was going to miss the first couple games of
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: the season and then I don't know, a week or
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: two in the training camp are starting Mike backer. Will
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: Thompson gets like a shoulder stinger. So I'm over with
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: the freshman doing inside run. Get my teeth kicked in
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: and they just needed a mic backer, so they called
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: me over and I had to go over as like
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: little skinny two hundred and twenty pounds Luke and play
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: against the older guys and just get my teeth kicked in.
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: I was like, this is awful. And my coach came
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: up to me after the after that period and he's like,
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: I was pretty terrible. You got to figure it out
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: because you're going to play week one because we don't
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: have anybody else. I'm like, what about this guy? And
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: he's like, well.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: That guy.
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: Uh, that guy got popped for a drug test, so
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: he can't play either. So if you're.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Looking at the coach saying, hey, you're being told you're
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: gonna play week one, but you're like, hey, what about that.
• 50:41
  Speaker 7: Guy, I'm like yeah, yeah, I'm like I'm my confidence
• 50:45
  Speaker 7: is zero. So hers Lick's out, Max out, Will Thompson
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: gets hurt, guy gets popped for a drug test, and
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: then before you know, your top four guys are out,
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: and so there's really no one left. So like, hey,
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: week one, you're just gonna have to figure it out.
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: So the first couple games a season or disaster, go
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: down to Clemson, we play in Death Valley against C. J.
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: Spiller and that yeah, yeah, yeah, they had Daikon Bowers
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: and they had another they had an I forget another.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: He's back there JP's a South Carolina guy. He hates
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: every time they're mentioned. They have to they have to
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: be trashed on.
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah. So but then you make a couple of plays
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: in those games you're like, you know, I got a chance.
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: And then I remember my sophomore year was when I
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: was like, Okay, you played against in Clemson against you know, CJ. Spiller,
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: and then you just start going through the guys that
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: you play against. You're like, these guys are all getting
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: drafted in the NFL, Like this might actually be an
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: opportunity for me. So it's it's just interesting how you
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: go from high school you want to play on the
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: varsity team do as a freshman like you're you don't,
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: I don't really have a choice. You get in there
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: and play, and then you're like, man, I'm this is fun.
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: I'm starting to have some success. And then you fast forward.
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: You kind of the next thing you look forward too
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: is like, I love the game of football. I've had
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: a ton of fun. I'd love to keep playing this
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: as long as I can. So you kind of look
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: back as probably probably three quarters of the way through
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: my sophomore year, you look back and you're like, these
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: are the guys that I played against, this has been
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: their career in the NFL, Like maybe I got a chance.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: So there wasn't like a specific play in mind that
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: you made a big play and you're like, oh shit, okay,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I can do this. It was a reflection period for you. Yeah,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: but you're to look back and kind of be like,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: all right, all these guys are playing in the NFL.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: This means I can do X, Y and Z as well. Yeah.
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: I just think you you know, you look at it
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: and you're like, I've played in like big games. We
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: played at Clemson, we played at Florida State, we played
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: at Notre Dame, and you're like, these are the these
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: are the teams in the situations that you grew up
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: watching and now you get a chance to be in them.
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: And it's something I always tell guys, like, you need
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: to enjoy the game because when it's gone, it's gone.
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: So I was so when I was playing, so laser
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: focused on football in the process that you don't ever
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: take a second to really look back and say, damn,
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: like that was that was pretty cool?
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, because your sophomore in junior year, correct
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, but you led the NC double
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: and tackles.
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we just we were on the field a lot.
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: We were on the field a lot. We didn't you
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: kind of we kind of really didn't have a choice.
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: You know, you played eighty ninety snaps like you got
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: more opportunities. Especially.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: The other thing too, is like we weren't ahead a
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: lot late. So you know what happens at the end
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: of the game. Their team's run four minute, they're gonna
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: run the ball and they got they got five or
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: six run plays, and they're gonna run power, they're gonna lead,
• 53:23
  Speaker 7: and they're gonna run stretch. It's like perfect, all right,
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: here we go.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Buddy.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Every time he like you'd see a statueet on like
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: league leaders, and he's sitting there every week averaging like
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: fifteen tackles a game. That is I'm thinking, who was
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: this loukey from?
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: He must be on the field a lot.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, must like the excuse to the competitor makes like,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: oh they got Well, you know.
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: What's funny is you look at all those things and
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: like people are lying if they don't look at that stuff. Right,
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: So then I went and looked at it one time
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: and it had number of snaps played, and it was
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: like we had a gazillion. And then you go look
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: at like Alabama that got like Dante high Towers at
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: Alabama he had like half the amount of snaps play
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: that we did. Chris Borland had a million.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Dog Well you were here is twenty thirteen.
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: Twenty twelve, twenty that linebacker class was strong.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys had because I was twenty thirteen while
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I was undrafted. But twenty twelve, you guys said.
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: It was you, so it was Dante, and then Bobby
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: got drafted in the second round. Wagner, Levante, David, Mario, Davis. Yeah,
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: there were some. I'm sure I'm and I'm probably missing
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: some guys, but those.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: But those top four that you just said tomorrow Davis, Levante, David, yourself,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner.
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: Three of those guys, I mean to Mario is still
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: playing with the Saints, and that dude he's you look
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: at his stats and it's like, oh my gosh, like
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: what he's been able to do. Same thing with Bobby.
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: The guy that I never feel like it's enough credit
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: is Levante. I love Levonte. Look at go look at
• 54:51
  Speaker 7: his his sacks, his force fumbles and his fumble recoveries.
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: It's unbelievable, dude.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: He is always around the football.
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: He's a great dude.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's phenomenal. Yeah.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Yesterday the Bucks their profile posted like his stats. He
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: has sixteen hundred tackles right now, there's only eight guys
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: in the history of the game to have over sixteen
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: hundred tackles. Him and Bobby Wagner are both still doing it.
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: Unbelieva. Who those Yeah, and they're not slowing down. Bobby
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: had over one hundred last year. I think he just
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: resigned and the Levante sign another deal with Tampa, which
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: is cool because you know, as great of his career
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: as he's had, he's been on the same team the
• 55:26
  Speaker 7: whole time.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's cool jevity that he's had. Yeah, and
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: and not get jaded over kind of being overlooked by
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: so many guys yourself. At points, Bobby.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I was tell JP he has one Pro Bowl I believe,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: and it was as an alternate. But it's such bullshit
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: because he's like one of the most underrated players of
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: all time.
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: Well, the thing that hurts him is that he he's
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: classified because they were four to three. He was an
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: outside linebacker. Yeah, so like the prototype outside linebacker is like,
• 55:54
  Speaker 7: you know, the rush and the guys got fifteen sacks.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Right, that's where yeah, those those salmon willis kind of
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: get screwed over in the Pro Bowl because the guys
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: at their hand of the dirt well.
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: And the funniest part about the Pro Bowl is that
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: they those off the ball backers. They're listed as outside linebackers.
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: The only rush it's only a four down look, so
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: those guys have to play off the ball. Yeah, they're
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: playing a four three and Justin Houston is playing off
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: the ball at five yards like, what are you doing?
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah? You know they at the fourth quarter of the game.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: If it's tight though, I'm about to take yeah exactly,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: because it is. It is a little bit of a war.
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  Speaker 2: Were you you at IMG training for the Combine?
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Is that where you were? Yeah? That's why I went
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: as well. And that was like I think my first
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  Speaker 2: introduction to the luke Keickley. You had like yourself a
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  Speaker 7: That was so fun, dude.
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  Speaker 2: I was a big time party. You're in college and
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  Speaker 2: then you know, got a little straight as I got
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  Speaker 2: into the league. But like when you're in braden'son Florida,
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  Speaker 2: there's like newly weds and nearly dead. There's no one
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  Speaker 2: between there's no nightlife or nothing. So it was me
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  Speaker 2: and like the thirty other guys that were training. Awesome,
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  Speaker 2: that's all we had. We had like a small, little shitty.
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  Speaker 2: Those little apartments are just off of the iron. Get
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  Speaker 2: the golf cart. Yeah, the golf cart you rip it around.
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  Speaker 7: It was the first time you had a little freedom.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of golf cart in your own place,
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  Speaker 2: but it's also well regimented. I loved it. There was
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  Speaker 2: that Were you thinking about tween there in Exos.
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  Speaker 7: No, because the guys so occurs, like and then Anthony Costanzo.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Gangster Boston College.
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they were the year year ahead of me in
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: the draft. So Anthony got drafted first round by the Colts.
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: And then Mark Mark was went to the Giants and
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: those guys trained at IMG and and I went to
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: school with them, and I was like, guys Exos or IMG,
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: and they're like just good to IMG. We went there
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: was sick. We enjoyed it. It was awesome. It was sick.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're entire Yeah, you work there because IMG, I
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: feel like they do it better than anybody else. As
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: far as like getting guys looking for the combine because
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: they don't just do the weightlifting and the running. But
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: they're also they have a classrooms to go over media stuff,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: almost improvisation classes. Okay, you're thrown off with this, what
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: do you do now? What do you say to X,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Y and Z? They bring up maybe some things that
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: aren't so great about you, like how are you going
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: to attack this situation? So I think IMG was such
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: a great experience.
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: It's so funny you do all that work. And then
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: when I worked with the team the first year I
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: got done planning. I worked a team in the scouting department,
• 58:55
  Speaker 7: and you can pull up all your profiles if you
• 58:59
  Speaker 7: know coming and you know every every you know uh
• 59:04
  Speaker 7: report written on you and highth weight, speed and all
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: your tape. And so I was like, I got bored
• 59:09
  Speaker 7: one day. I looked at it, and I looked at
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: my combine interview with the Panthers. It's a disaster. Really Yeah,
• 59:14
  Speaker 7: I was like sitting, I had my glasses on, I
• 59:19
  Speaker 7: was nervous, I was probably sweating, and I was supers
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: like they'd asked me a question bike, Yes that's cover four,
• 59:26
  Speaker 7: And I'm like, gosh, you suck. You sound so bad
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: right now.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: That's how Obviously getting drafted like you, I met with
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: the Titans, and I was probably the same way, but
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: a year removed. Seeing those same familiar faces now in
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: that room. Yeah, timage you are, Oh you're so scared man,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: And because the train station is no joke. Yeah like
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: that that that combine experience was your Did you have
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: a good combine experience?
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: I really yeah, I really enjoyed it. I think that
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: first night of those interviews, because you have the train station,
• 59:52
  Speaker 7: which is like they can just come and grab you, obviously,
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: and then the one on ones or they put you
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: in the room where it's only fifteen minutes and half
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: the first two minutes, three minutes of them introducing themselves,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 7: in the last two or three minutes of them leave
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 7: you leaving, so it's only like a ten minute window.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 7: And then they're peppering you with questions and I'm nervous.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: You're it's your job interview and you're trying to put
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: your best foot forward. And I was just nervous, and
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: I was sitting in there just and I was like,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: I would not draft that guy.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what the combine is so crazy? As everyone
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: sees what happens when you're running and benching and jumping
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: all that, but really all the scary shit happens four
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: days prior running. When you get to go run, you're
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: finally like, thank god it's over, because you get there
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: the first day and it's like kind of introductions. Hey,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: this is what's going to happen. This is your land road,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: this is the train station works, this is how your
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: official meetings work. Four I am, you have a piss test. Yeah,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: so it's like the number one rule is I just
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: do not miss it and make sure you don't piece.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: So you I remember I was roommates with Zach Martin
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: h and we took shoes and we put it on
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: top of the toilet seat just in case you wake
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: up in the middle of night and try to go pee,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: and we would be like a little countabill of buddies,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: make sure we're all up together. Yeah, it's what you
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: need because you're nervous because you're up at four am
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: for a drug test, and then it's meetings all day,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: MRIs the middle of the day and then back to
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: the train station everything else.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: Well, were you a weight guy, did you have to
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 7: keep weight on?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: I was always a guy that had to gain weight.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so you know, they get you there, and then
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: you can't eat as much as you typically do. There's
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 7: no scale, so then when you have to go weigh in,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: you don't know how much you weigh right, and they're like, Luke,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 7: you need to be over two hundred and forty pounds.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: So you're just in there chugging.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: And they have the worst fucking snacks. But it's all
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: like less cups and skittles, and she's like, I guess
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: this is what I'm doing.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: I gotta do it. I gotta drink, I gotta eat something.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I always did a great job having like food
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: wait for you, having stuff, a little area where you
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: go with a backpack.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 7: And they just stuffed it with everything. I'll tell you
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 7: what the combine was. I loved it. It was so
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 7: cool because you grow up watching it. You don't really
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 7: grow up watching training at IMG, like you don't really
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: understand that. But you grow up and you watch these
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: guys run the forty and jump and bench and do
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 7: all that stuff, and then you get there and you're like,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: this is sweet. I get to do It's.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Like your step to the NFL load of MRIs. I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: had to do it.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: I had to do them on my knees and I
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: had something on my elbow, but like not a not
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 7: a ton.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: I was pretty lucky.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: It's funny too, how much everybody? Because I know Levante
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: him being like an undersized guy. Guy's just obsessing over
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: hitting a certain weight. You got to weigh in just
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: so you hit the metric, like Levante always played like
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: in the like like two twenty to two twenty five,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: and he's like, I have to be like two hundred
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: and thirty three pounds.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 7: I never weighed to forty ever again in my life.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but on that little stat sheet says two.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: Forty yea every don't don't skip me a pound.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: When you step on the scale two and you saw
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: two forty two, how juice that thing kept ticking up?
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like, yes, dude, you know another
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: thing that's kind of a sleeper. Did they have the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: little egg pods? Yeah?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: You do that afterwards.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So we would do those IMG like every couple
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: of weeks. I guess if anything's gonna fucking change. But
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: my body fat would be like I don't know, like
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: twenty or nineteen or something like that. Okay, but it
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: had to be in those rooms. They had to have
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: a certain pressure for those that correctly. So when I
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: got to the combine, they haven't made this open room
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: where it was like being opened and closed a bunch.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: So my body fat was right at like fifteen percent. Yes,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I made a four percent jump in
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: a week. That's crazy, I thought I was. I've on
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: my ship. Yeah, I've been on it. What was the
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: most nerve wracking part for you at the combine from
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: from the like athletics standpoint.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: Oh man, the probably the forty yeah, because that was
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 7: the question was how much you're gonna weigh and what
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: are you gonna run? So I actually had to run it.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 7: I ran the forty three times.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: You messed up on one.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: So the first one I run, it goes really well.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: Second one, because you know you can't see it, you
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: got to find ways to like get it. You know,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: you look at your phone and somebody texts you, but.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: It's not They don't do that anymore. Do you watch
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: it now? Now they have people in the stands and
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: they show your force. That's kind of because it was
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: the same way for me too, where you go up
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: and like a couple of the guys who are like, hey,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: what I run like, they're saying X, Y and Z.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah. So then second one comes up, and you know,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: when you get in that forty start, there's holes because
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: everybody's been there, so everybody takes like the same, like
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: first two steps, so there's kind of an indentation in
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 7: the ground. And I was off just to half step
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: to the left, and I took my first step out
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: and I stepped kind of in the whole sideways and
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: I turned right real fast and almost ran into the
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: the laser reader and then straighten it out and I
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: ran like it was I ran like four to nine,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: and I was like, oh gosh, that was.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: You said that was the second one.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: That was the second one?
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Was the first one. The first one was like four
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: or five.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 7: And then I go four to nine and this guy
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: comes up to me and he's like, he's like, hey,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: you're gonna probably have to run another one. We got
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: a bad reading on either the first or the second one.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: And I was like, oh, no.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Did you know at the point too, that you had
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: ran a four or five in the first one.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I knew I ran well, and then the second
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 7: one I knew I stepped in the hole, and I'm like, okay,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: this kind of makes sense. So then everybody had to
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 7: go run their second one. So I was the last
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 7: guy after the last guy in the in the line
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: to go run again. And I ran it again and
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: I looked at it. Guys like, how is that. He's like,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: you're gonna be good. I was like, all right, perfect good.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: So four.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, He's like he's like, the middle one must have
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 7: gotten messed up. But it was I stepped in. I
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: stepped in a hole. I stepped my step was bad
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: or something. But you know it's so nerve wracking. That's like,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: don't that matter?
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: What's that you didn't want to focus on getting a
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: tan before the combine? Of course?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 6: Not?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: You look faster that.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Did you have the task? Did you last in the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: four fours?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: No? At I I don't think we ever really ran.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: I think we ran a forty like the first week
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 7: we were there, and then everything was just segmented out. Yeah,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 7: so you work on starts flying twenties, you know, flying forties,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: so you never really get a true number for what
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: you're gonna run, but you have an idea like I
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 7: felt good, I felt strong, I felt my starts were good,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 7: and then it's like just go. It looks so stiff
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 7: running it, but.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: I know because it will, and I am You're trying
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: to do everything when you're training. You're like elbows and
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: this and that and relax your face. I remember I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: ran a forty when we first the forty IMG, and
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: I was like a five to one.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: I was like, there's no fucking way. I'm like, I'm
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: a sub five guy, no doubt. But I was like
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: trying to like mechanically do exactly what they were saying
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: the whole time to where it was just awful.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: Part of me thinks that they click it a little
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: bit slower.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: I thought the same.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: So they're like, no, you ran you ran five four,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: So then when you run four nine, they're like, look
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: what we did half second.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: That's we're the greatest thing.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 7: They were unbelievable. Lauren Seagrave was was he there? He
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: was unbelievable, older older guy, right, Yeah, he was always
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: wore orange, always Warren.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: She had the really shining shoes. And then who was
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: the chick from London? Did you have the girl? Yeah?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 7: She was a yeah, she was a sin.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. She was a great running coach. I can't remember
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: he name right now, which kind of sucks.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: It was I had a ton of like everything that
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: they did there was a reason why they did it.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: It's not like we just showed up and they're like,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 7: all right, you're going to do this and right. And
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 7: I remember running like the short shuttle. It was footwork.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: It was like seven or eight.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Steps and.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: The five in the five ten five.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Because the fact if I was like two three two
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: or something like something, they had like numbers to it.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: They're like, okay, you're.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Somebody who could like skip over to the first five
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: and just get in like two steps.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: You're like, yeah, this was amazing, like all that stuff
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: that you put in for you know, there's Laurence c Grave.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Right there that Yeah, he is awesome.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: He was great, dude.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if you felt this way, but
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: after I ran the forty and I got the time
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: that I wanted, it felt like everything else was just
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: cake after that, because it's so stressful when you're standing
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: up because we had what number were you do you
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: remember for the combine?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: Oh? I don't so what I was thirteen maybe, I
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 7: don't know.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nineteen nineteen, I was twenty three, and my whole
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: thing was like, I just don't want to go first, yea.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, I'm twenty three, last name
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: is Lawan, I'll be I'll be solid. Well, they broke
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: it up groups, so it was one through twenty two.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: So I was the first guy to go in the
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: second group and they're like, we're all kind of warming up.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Everyone's so stressed out. Yeah, that's Beyonce want and you
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: see that tan.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: You look Yeah, you look like you look like you're
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 7: about fifteen percent right there.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what the body comp said. But that
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: chick that I can't remember her name, the one from London,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: she's like, hey, when you run over the back of
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: the platform and have your Beyonce walk, like every the
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: whole combine everyone, you're waiting on everybody. Yeah, but once
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: you do that, it's now your time. You take as
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: long as you need whatever. And so I took all
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: the time in the world because I was my heart's
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: racing right there, my little gazelle.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 7: How'd you think your walk was? You give the thumbs out?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: I knew I was. I was thinking, abou okay, steps,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: you're moving your little feedback and you're just thinking, please
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: don't get called back on this start. That was what
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: I was most nervous about because learning from IMG, they
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: basically tell you like your first start's gonna be your
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: best one or your first two. After that you kind
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: of like your brain fucks up, like your CNS or something.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: So it was once I ran that and I got
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: back to the boys and hey, they're saying four nine
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: right now, I'm like, all right, I know I'm selling. Yeah,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: I feel I feel good about it.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: Is there a team you felt like you knocked it
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: out of the park with in the interview process?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: Man, you know what?
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Not?
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 7: Really, I don't really that was I don't remember that.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: I thought the stuff with the Panthers went really good
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: because so Ron Rivera obviously play with the Bears. My
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 7: high school road roommate was Mike Morrissey. He was two
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 7: years older than I am. I was and he was
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 7: a great older guy. So when we went on trips
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 7: on the road, he was my roommate for away games.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 7: His dad played with on the eighty five Bears. To
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: played with the Bears like ten years and he played
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 7: linebacker with Rivera. So I remember going to the combine
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 7: and be like, I don't know any of these guys,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 7: but I know that Jim Morrissey and Mike Morrisey have
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 7: said really good things about coach Rivera and his experience
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 7: with them and their friendship and playing together in Chicago.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 7: So I'm like, at least I have one guy that
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 7: I kind of have a connection too. So that one
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 7: was out of all of them. It was probably the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 7: easiest one after I said how bad my interview was
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 7: on that video. But I felt probably the most comfortable
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: with them because I felt like there was a little
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 7: bit of a connection there.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Did you know, did you feel really confident that I
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: was going to be the Panthers that grabbed you in
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: the first round.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: I thought there was a chance, So you kind of
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 7: looked at like teams that I I took a visit
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 7: to Carolina, so I met with them at the combine.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: It took a visit down there pre draft, and I
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 7: kind of knew like nine to fifteen to twenty because
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: fifteen was Seattle and they drafted Bruce Irving. Bruce Irving
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: and then they ended up with Bobby in the second round,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 7: so they were going to draft a linebacker. I thought
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: Buffalo was at ten I think they drafted Stephan Gilmour
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: from sc and so I thought it was going to
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 7: be one of those teams. I also took a visit
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 7: to Tennessee, so I think it was oh Man.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: They actually were that was yeah. But they did draft
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: a linebacker and it was Zach Brown.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Zach Brown. He was Brown.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he gets dude Trent Richardson.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't. I don't know where they drafted what point?
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, scrolled down a little bit. I want to see
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: what they took.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about the Titans, right, Kendall?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, would have got him anyway.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: You knew, yeah, true, should have traded out. Yeah, but yeah,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: so you do you did you have any did you
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: have a place you wanted to go? Like you looked
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: at it.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 7: I thought Carolina would have been cool. I had some
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 7: family that was down there. I was familiar. I liked
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 7: it because Iran. That was the biggest thing that thought
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: was cool was that I knew him and they spoke
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 7: so highly of him. And he was a linebacker and
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 7: he coached like Irlacker and Briggs. Yeah, and he's with
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: San Diego names with the Bears. It just it felt
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 7: I was like that'd be a cool place.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: How was it when you first got there? How how
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: was he as a as a coach, because.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: Since you were a backer, he was phenomenal. He was
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: like he did a really good job of separating being
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: the head coach, but also like he wanted to be
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: a player again, so he'd be in the locker room,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: he talked to guys, he was, he'd have you over
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: to the house. He just made you feel very comfortable.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 7: So I always felt like, you know, he was obviously
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 7: the head coach, but he felt like a guy that
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: he just wanted He wanted to help you. He wanted
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 7: to put you in a position to be successful. It
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: was awesome. I couldn't have been in a better spot
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 7: as far as just the people that were there. Sean
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: mcdermo is a defensive coordinator. I don't think that I
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: could have ended up in a better system for to
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 7: play linebacker with that four down look. I played Mike,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 7: which was if I was playing Will. It was struggled
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: because in space you're matched up on receivers. It's just
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: bad news. But you can run, Yeah, you can run straight.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: But Jo Jones did you know he did what he did?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: But everybody's getting there.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 7: I'm sure, I'm sure they can pull a picture of
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: that up.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: There.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: It's yeah there, you know that's that's not even the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 7: best one. There's one that's like two pictures, three pictures
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 7: to the right on that search. That one looks better.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: That one looks matter of fact, take how much higher
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 7: he is there? Take me to the ground.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: He just high pointed it because you're running with him.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 7: So it's quarters and you're competitive by one, so it's quarters.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 7: And if you have speed at number three, which Julio
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: definitely accounts for that, you get a backside the backside
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 7: quarters defender on the hash helps you out.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Get your three d DEGs.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we called it. We called it a fax call.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 7: But yeah, same thing right now, great, you understand my struggle.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 7: And they motioned the empty and I'm like, oh man,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 7: so for.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: The people listening when they motioned empty one, now there's
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: no more facts or there's no more help from that.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the emotion to emotions, this looks so this look.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 7: You know what Matt Ryan's saying right here is my
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 7: guy's just better than all of you because he looks
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 7: like he's covered.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you are covering.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 7: So I'm running down the field. I'm like, man, I
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 7: am in good shape. They throw that ball and I'm like,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 7: I am in great shape. I can't see him, but
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 7: I know he's behind me. I reach up and all
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 7: I hear is and it's the ball hitting his hands
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 7: and me falling down and my face hitting the ground,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 7: and I just hear the crowd explode and I run
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: and I and I remember I picked my head up,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: and the only thing I remember him seeing is like,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 7: you know, when these guys used to score and they
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 7: they're like this as they run the band zone. I
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: just saw him do that. Look at me, just face face,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 7: face down, and I'm trying to I'm hearing the crowd
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 7: scream right now. And then I picked my head up,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: did you? And they right at the end, they show
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 7: him kind of right there. That's what I see when
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 7: I look up, I see that. I see it says
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: I can't even see the name Jones because he's tilted
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: forward like that. And then I get to the sideline
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: and my coach is like, hey, you know you're supposed
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: to be on him, right I was like, you know, I.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Was, I know I was. That is the craziest. You're
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: a mic linebacker.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: You're coaching Keekley and Julio Jones and scores on a
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: competitive ball, and you're like.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 7: I mean a competitive competitive competitive is a nice way
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 7: to say it. Mean it looked competitive, and then when
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 7: the ball got thrown that the competition kind of went
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: out the window a little bit.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Let this play a little bit.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 7: I'm running, he's running like three quarter speed. I'm running
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 7: literally as fast as I can and he's still running
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 7: away from me.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Your safety over the top was trying to get in
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: on the action. Yeah, it was just I mean, he
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: looks covered right there.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 7: It's he's he's covered until Matt right, he just throws
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 7: the ball up for him.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 7: Look, I'm trying to pull through the I'm trying to
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 7: pull through the pocket.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Stab the pocket.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: I'm trying to pull through the pocket. He just kind
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 7: of big boyed me there a little bit.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: God, I mean, you see a guy like Julio Jones,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: you don't have to get me.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 7: You don't have to give me excuse. You just say
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 7: that you got you got, you got that. That was
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 7: on Randy Moss's You got Moss the next week. So
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 7: you always want to be on you got Moss as
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 7: a little kid, but not for that reason, that.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Way at all. Was that what is like your toughest play,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: that the worst moment you've had the worst? Was that it?
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: No?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 7: That wasn't it? Because I kind of felt like it
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 7: the best I could have done. Yeah, you know, I
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 7: give a strong it's just kind of like, hey, hey, man, like.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Just better than that moment.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so's yeah, he's just better. I remember my rookie year.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 7: We were playing Seattle and it was Russ. Russ was
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 7: a quarterback. Russ and I train together at the combine.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 7: For the combine, I remember he breaks contain. He's running
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 7: to his right. He breaks contain. Obviously he's running down
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 7: the field. I'm in coverage, so he crossed the line
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 7: of scrimmage. I'm I was like, I'm gonna crush him.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: And he's running and he's running like almost straight at me.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 7: I've got a great angle and he's running like this
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 7: and I'm running like that. I'm like, I'm gonna crush him.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 7: The last second, right before about to him, he puts
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 7: his left foot, left foot in the ground and cuts
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 7: back this way, and I'm getting ready to just like
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 7: fall into the tackle and I turn and look, guess
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 7: who was running mock five at my face? That Russ
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 7: set up Mike Robinson, remember him, Penn State guy. He
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 7: he hit me. He hit me so hard that I
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 7: don't really I didn't even feel it. It wasn't a
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 7: dirty hit. He didn't me in the head. He just
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 7: hit me and I just crumpled to the ground. And
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 7: I remember like looking up and he just smiled at me,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 7: and I was like, you got me. He's like, I know,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 7: I know. So it was, uh, that was that was
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 7: you talked about like, welcome to the NFL, your rookie moment. Yeah,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: that was one of them. And then we played, uh
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 7: played Tampa my rookie year at home. It was it
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 7: was we were up at the end of the game.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 7: We were probably up six or seven points. They ran
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 7: a vertical ball, three verticals in cover four and I
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: was matched up on Vincent Jackson and Josh Freeman throws
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 7: his great back shoulder ball to him, and I thought
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 7: I had him covered in college. You you're close to him,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 7: he's covered. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know what
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 7: a back shoulder ball was. And so I'm running with
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: him and then all of a sudden, he spins, he
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 7: opens up, and he puts his hands backside and he
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 7: catches this football. I was like, how that happened? Like
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 7: some of that stuff. You score a touchdown, they tied
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: it up, they go to overtime, we lose an overtime.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 7: So it was just like one of those things where
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 7: you don't you're just naive, and then something happens in
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 7: a game and you're like, Oh, that's what they were,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 7: that's what a back shoulder ball was. In that ball
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 7: I was. I mean, I felt like I was in
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: great position, but the ball was literally perfect. My awareness
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: was zero, and he just put it on his back shoulder.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 7: Vincent Jackson opened up and caught that ball, and I
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 7: was like, that sucks.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: So did you really not have a TV in your apartment?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: You're rookie?
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 7: That's so uh No, I had. I had everything I had.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 7: What happened, So what happened? So what happened was so
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 7: it happened going into my the the room rumor was
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 7: going into my second year. I've moved apartments like and
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: ended end of July, so then you know, going into July,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 7: you're going in the training camp for the first like
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 7: three or four weeks of the season, and I just
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 7: it was on the back burner for to set up cable.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 7: I had my Internet set up, but I was like,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 7: I don't need cable for this first like six eight
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 7: weeks because I'm never gonna be here. So I didn't
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: have it set up. And somehow one of my buddies
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 7: got wind of it and it just turned in this
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 7: It just turned into this whole thing. Where so that
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 7: came from one of your buddies somehow. Room, Yeah, it
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 7: came in the locker room, like hey, did you watch?
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 7: Like somebody's like, hey, you've been watching whatever. I was like, no,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 7: I don't have I don't have the cable set up
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 7: in my teav in my in my apartment. Yet they're
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 7: like why not.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: Was like I just moved.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 7: I didn't have time to set it up. Like we
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 7: just went to training camp, like not here very much anyway.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 7: So when I get back from after training camp, I'll
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 7: get it set up. So that was like what had happened.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 7: Everyone's like, you didn't have TV. I'm like, I'm not
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 7: a psychopath.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Very much.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 7: Frame like that, Yeah, which is I.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: Just pictured you in a carpeted room with a blow
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: up mattress. Yeah, maybe a hyperbaric chamber.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, just paper plates in a microwave and macaroni and
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 7: cheese and ramen microwave.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: It takes out too much nutrients for you. Yeah, there
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: it is right there. God, yeah, that that is one
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: of the things that like, look at just I mean,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: that's an insane throwing cash.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 7: And then they went for two. They're down, they're down,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 7: They're down eight. So then they got the two conversion afterwards,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: and I ran into the goalposts and that was just
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 7: like insult the injury. Like I just got I just
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 7: got worked and I just got crushed by the post.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Watch this, look at my leg.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 7: God sucks. And then you turn around and then you
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: turn and then you look up and you're like, he
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 7: definitely caught it. And look at the official. It's like
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 7: he was waiting to do that to make sure you're
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 7: taking a peek for Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he scored.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: Was like nobody touched that ball. Oh dang, look at me.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 7: I'm like, gosh, I suck.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: Good hit flexibility though, Or was twenty one, so it
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: didn't really matter.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: The defensive Player Rookie of the Year though.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 7: But luckily they didn't see that play.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but how awesome is that?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 7: It was cool? It was fun. I mean it was uh.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 7: You just to have the opportunity to play like that
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 7: as much as I did as a rookie was so cool. Yeah,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: in a great system. It was. That system was set
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 7: up for linebackers to just run around. It was cover three,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 7: cover four, a little bit of man. We had really
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 7: good guys in front of us. Our defensive line was sick,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 7: and they called plays that highlighted the linebackers. It was
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 7: Thomas and I. So John Beeson, I'll talk about who
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 7: I talk about, Like, so go back to college with
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 7: Hurzlik and Mike mcloffin, like great older veteran guys that
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: had no their pride never got in the way. They
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 7: were just there to help you. Mike Morrissey the guy
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 7: I talked about that new Ron and those guys were
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 7: so helpful. And then when I got to Carolina, it
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 7: was the same way. So when I got there, it
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 7: was James Anderson was coming off her career year, Beast
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 7: was coming back from an achilles All Pro Pro Bowl
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 7: or like the dude in the middle, like the stud.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 7: And then Thomas was coming back from his thirty ACL
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: Thomas at full speed was what Thomas was for sixteen
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 7: years in the NFL, and then me, So there was
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 7: four of us. I was the rookie. BS and TD
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 7: were coming back from substantial injuries and achilles in an
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 7: ACL and then James excuse me, was gonna play obviously healthy,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 7: had a great year coming off a good year. So
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: I remember I showed up my rookie one of my
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 7: first days there. TD comes in and he's like, hey,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 7: I'm Thomas, here's my number.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: Lock me in.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 7: You need anything, let me know. And I was like,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 7: that's just an older guy coming in and like checking
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 7: a box and doing all this stuff. But it was
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 7: he was the best helpful talk to you through things,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 7: taught you stuff, where to who to talk to to,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 7: you know, chiropractors, where to just where to do everything
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 7: in Charlotte. He was fantastic. How to practice, how to
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 7: be tough, how to play hurt like all that stuff.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 7: And then Beasts was be Scott hurt p Scott put
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: on IR. I think after the Atlanta game, my rookie
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 7: heear which was like week or week two or three,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: and so then I slid from outside linebacker to inside
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 7: linebacker at Mike Beast's spot. And all Beasts ever did
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 7: was help me. Sat next to me in meetings, talk
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 7: to me, watch tape with me. Hey, this is how
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 7: I this is how I played cover two, and this
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 7: is why this is what my eyes looked like. There
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: was never there was never any sense of like you're
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 7: playing Mike your first round pick, like I'm hurt. I've
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 7: been hurt two years in a row. Maybe there was
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 7: never like I'm worried about my job. It was how
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 7: can I help you? So I think you know, I
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 7: was always very fortunate to have guys like that through
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 7: my football career high school, college and then Beasts and
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 7: Thomas and James and a guy named Jordan Sen who
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 7: was played with us for a long time. He was
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 7: like a could play all three spots, big time teamer,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 7: but was very and smart, very intelligent, great with his body.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 7: He sat right next to me in the locker room
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: and he would just all he ever did was just
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 7: helped me. So I just great coach with Ron and
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 7: mcdee was a decordinator and then those guys around me,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 7: it was like a perfect situation.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: Dude, TD had a hell of a career and able
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: to come back and play the way.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: And I met him out at one of the NFL
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: one of the NFL p A meetings, and this dude
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: just see like.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Burger and fries and that's rever. He sits that, he
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: sits there. I'm like, hey, are you eating like this
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: throughout the season. He's like, Oh, I eat whatever I
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: want all the time. Buddy, How in the fuck do
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: you do that?
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 7: I think some of those guys like that's just they're
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 7: more that's just what they're their best at. Like this
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 7: is what he plays, this is what he's how his
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 7: body reacts the best, and that's what he's gonna do.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 7: But his like six inch snap was he was so fast,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 7: so explosive snap, ultra physical and just a great guy
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 7: to watch as far as how to do things.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Just a dangerous linebacker, just.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 7: Tough, high f ultra competitive, you know, like all those
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: things that require no athletic ability. It's all like decisions,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 7: like you know, you are what you are athletically you are,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 7: how high weight, speed, whatever you make a decision, how
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: tough you are, how physically you are, how hard you play,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 7: and how much it matters to you, Like those are
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 7: things that you control, and he was it was great
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 7: to see that from an older guy as a young guy, like,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 7: these are non negotiables that you make the decision when
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 7: you walk on the field, you're gonna do it a
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 7: certain way.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like a great leadership. Yeah, walking and
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: helping you out on that. Yeah, that's unreal. When you
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: you obviously there's such a conversation revolved around you about
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: like calling out plays and the game. Did you already
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: have that capability to break down film or did those
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: guys were they a big part of teaching you that stuff.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 7: So I was fortunate in high school. Our high school
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 7: coach would bring us down to his office during lunch
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 7: and he'd put on a VHS tape and we'd eat
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 7: lunch down there and he'd put the tape on. The
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 7: tape would just run and we could like rewind it
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: if we wanted to. But then you don't really understand
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 7: why you're doing that until you know you're in the
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 7: game and you're like, oh, I saw that and when
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 7: we were watching tape with coach, and usually it's after
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 7: the fact, so it's like very like retrospective, but you
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 7: start to figure out, like oh, I can get a
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 7: real advantage by watching tape. So we kind of did
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 7: that in high school. And then I got to college
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 7: and there's a guy, another guy, Wes Davis. He was
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 7: a safety California guy, super smart, intelligent, big tape guy.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: So when you get to college, you know, it's like
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 7: you can you can watch whatever you want. You can
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 7: sort it however you want to watch it, personnel formation
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 7: down a distance, you know how it is, whatever you want.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 7: So I go in there and I'm like, this is
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: too much for me to hand. I got to figure
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 7: out how to do this. So I would go watch
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 7: tape with Wes. This is as a freshman, and you know,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 7: Wes would be in there and he'd be like, all right,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 7: he imagine we're playing Cover four and you get this
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 7: like how you play in it. So you start to
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 7: figure out, all right, I can match my call up
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 7: with the play so when I watch, when I watch tape,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 7: I can envision myself in that situation. So that was
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 7: kind of like the first step. And then the second
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 7: step would be Wes would be in meetings and say,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 7: all right, he's like this this gives us problems and
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 7: Cover three and in my head I'm like, I don't
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 7: really know what that means, but like sure, so he'd
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 7: be like, this is why it gives us problems. He's like,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 7: if I see this look in a game, I'm gonna
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 7: let you know and then we'll just kind of play
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 7: it like this, you know, you kind of play the
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 7: play a little bit, and he's like, all right, I'm
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 7: gonna give you heads up in the game when we're
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 7: gonna get it. He's like, I'm gonna tell you when
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 7: I play it a certain way, and we'll being good Jhape.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 7: I was like, all right, great. So then comes up
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 7: in a game, Wes gives me like a nod and
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 7: I'm like, hey, I like give him nod back, Hey,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: what's up? And the play would happened and I would
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 7: just be aloof and he'd be like, I gave you
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 7: a nod. I was like, I gave you one back.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 7: He's like no, that was what was So then just slowly,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 7: over time, you're like, Okay, now I understand why he's
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 7: watching tape. So you watch tape, you understand situations, and
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 7: you pick stuff up and you accumulate knowledge, and over
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 7: time you just understand like this is how teams really
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 7: want to run the football. This is how it matches
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 7: up against our defense. These are the top formations. I mean,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 7: you know how it is. It's like if it's two
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 7: by two and the tight ends on the line of scrimmers,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 7: their top roun concepts are probably this, this, and this right.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 7: And once you know that, then it's like, all right,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: So if we're in an overfront and they run that
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 7: first run play and we're in this defense, who's gonna
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 7: block me? Okay, this guy's gonna block me? All right?
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 7: Say they run the other play and this same defense,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 7: same front. Boom, this, Now this guy's gonna block me.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 7: And you go through that, and then when practice rolls around,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 7: you get it. And then when the game rolls around,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 7: it's like, all right, here's my formation, here's my my
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 7: call on defense. This is how we're lined up. The
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 7: ball gets snapped, I get my one read from whoever
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 7: I'm reading. Boom, Now I know who's gonna block me.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 7: I know where the ball is gonna go. I have
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 7: to beat that guy in the run game whoever's gonna
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 7: block me, and then I'm clean to the football. You know,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 7: one guy's blocking you on each play. So if I
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 7: know top run concepts. I know how it fits within
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 7: our defense. I know where I line, I know where
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 7: my stressers are. The ball gets snapped, I read boom.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 7: Now I know who's gonna block me. Now I haven't.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 7: Now I already have a plan of attack on how
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna get after him before the ball gets snapped.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 7: So then you're playing the game before the ball gets snapped,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 7: and then everything just slows down as the ball gets snapped.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 7: So I love it was just because you got to like,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 7: you know what is you gotta This is a bad
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 7: play right here. So I remember exactly this play. So
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 7: Andy Gallax, the center, you guys ran. It was like
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: a split zone. Look split zone. Hang on, we're in
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 7: man coverage and we're in it's an in and.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Out, so safety down here.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, So TD and I are like the in and
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 7: out guys. So my guy goes back across the formation
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 7: at the tight end. I got to fall back in
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 7: a pass in pass game, but if it's a run,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 7: I gotta stay front side. So it was a run.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 7: I see the guy go back across the formation. I
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 7: fall back, and this ball stays front side, and look
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 7: where it hits. I get blocked by I think Andy Gallax.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 7: The center is a BC guy looks where it gets hit,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 7: probably right where it should be. Kind of a disaster.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: Who's yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so disaster. This is a touchdown. I mean Dexter
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 7: mccluster on this touchdown here.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: So was it twenty fifteen? Yeah, we were bad then too.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: How would you three and thirteen year for us?
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: How did your prep develop? Like in the league? Like
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: are you are how are you breaking down each day
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: like on Monday? Or you first second down?
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: Run?
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 7: So like Monday was so you know, Monday, you come in,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 7: you get a workout, flush, watch the watch the game
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 7: from the night before and kind of our day before whatever,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 7: make your corrections. And then I'd always watched two first
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 7: halves of the team that we were playing and just
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 7: get like general feel. And I always feel like first
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 7: halves were better because you got to you got to
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 7: feel for who they were. So I think about or
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 7: like think about like, say we're watching We're watching the Titans,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 7: and I watched the whole game. Maybe in the second half,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 7: you guys are up big, and so now you guys
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 7: are running the ball a little bit more. Maybe the
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 7: past game is not as aggressive. They're different than what
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 7: they want to be coming out VERSU in the first half,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 7: like your first fifteen, your first probably twenty five plays
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 7: or things that you guys have really thought about, your
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 7: top concept stuff like that. So I'd watch two first
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 7: halfs and just get a feel for like, you know,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 7: what do they look like up front? You know, are
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 7: they like For example, we play the Falcons, right, Alex
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 7: Mack like big, athletic, smart range, really good player, Like damn,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 7: I got my work cut out for this guy. And
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 7: then you go, you know, in the backfield, it was
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 7: Tevin Coleman. He's like big, kind of a slasher, like
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 7: one cut wide zone type guy. Devonte Freeman is like
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 7: a little bit of shake good burst, could run physical,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 7: not a real big guy, but gets lost and like
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 7: is a firm really good. I thought he was really
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 7: good and if he could speed you up, slowly down,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 7: run through you. And then you look on the outside
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 7: of Austin Hooper was the tight end, and then it
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 7: was like Roddy White and Julio Jones. You're like, all right, boom,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 7: So like this is how they look up front, this
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 7: is what they like in the backfield, Like you know,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 7: we play the Falcons. You don't really need to watch
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 7: Matt a whole lot because you got a really good
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 7: feel for we played them twice a year's he's Matt Ryan.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 7: You know, you know you to take a ton of
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 7: notes on that, but you get a feel for all right,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 7: Kyle Shanahan, wide zone shifts and motions. They're going to
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 7: try to get you in a compromise position and want
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 7: to run the ball to the bubble. So that's Monday,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 7: and just it's like click through, like click through stuff
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 7: real quick Tuesday.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: Are you a big notes guy or are you just notes?
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 7: Because that helps me if I write it, then it
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 7: helps me remember.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: And this Monday, you're not necessarily you know, you're just
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: feeling the game. Yeah, feeling the process.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 6: Of the game.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and feel them and like I'll write down some
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 7: notes like if they've got a dude that I'm not
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 7: used to playing against, or I haven't seen a lot
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 7: of them, Like this is like offensive line moves really well.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 7: Center fifty one is a really good player running backs.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 7: This is how these guys feel because I always felt
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 7: like with running backs, if you don't play against them
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 7: a lot, you don't know how they like feel on
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 7: contact and I didn't like that, Like I want to
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 7: know early in the game, how do you feel you
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 7: firm like stuff like that, And I felt like that
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 7: was one thing that I always wanted to watch during
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 7: the week is how do they run? How do they
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 7: take contact? Do they like contact?
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 7: Are they a stiff arm guy? They what do they
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 7: like doing? Because then in the game you gotta have
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 7: a plan. I mean, you'll play Marshawn Lynch. You can't
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 7: just like run in there and I hope you're gonna
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 7: get them on the ground. So then I would take
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 7: light notes on that and just get a feel because mentally,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 7: I was like, Monday was a day where I'm like
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 7: I need to kind of break it up a little bit.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 7: So if I took a ton of notes, I'm like
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 7: this is just too much mentally. So then Tuesday you
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 7: come in, hit a little workout, and then I'd watch
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 7: run games. So our coaches did a good job of
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 7: breaking down run game based on like formation, down in distance,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 7: excuse me, top concepts, and then I would go and
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 7: highlight like four games and then you know, you can
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 7: sort everything, so i'd sort it by like personnel. It's
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 7: like all right, I want to I want to see
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 7: all their twelve personnel runs, and then like, how do
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 7: they run the ball to twelve personnel? So three by
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 7: one is it two by two? Do they like running
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 7: twelve personnel and putting the tight the tight end in
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 7: the backfield because if so, now it turns into like
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 7: two back run versus like if they're in a wing
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 7: or double like ace both on the line of scrimmage.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 7: Now it's like one back runs twelve. Yeah, so it's
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 7: like a completely different concept. So I want to know
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 7: what they do. And then I would break it down
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 7: by like personnel, group, then formation, and then top concepts
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 7: inside the formation. I'd take notes on all those and
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 7: just chart it, cause like it took a lot of time,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 7: but I felt like if I could write it down
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 7: then I would remember it better. So then and by Tuesday,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 7: I usually had I usually had the game plan like
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 7: first second Hald game plan. So then I'd watch all
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 7: that chart everything, watch those games, and then i'd watch
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 7: a full game after that and then see how it fits.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 7: So like when do they run it? Like when are
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 7: they eleven? When are they twelve? What are they like
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 7: doing out of thirteen? When do they do it in
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 7: a game, and like what's the game flow? And then
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 7: you could call I could call defenses within that, within
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 7: that watching that game, so you know first and ten
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 7: the first quarter, Like all right, I was gonna play
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 7: cover three, So line up and cover three, see my overfront,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 7: See where I gotta line, see where rotation is, and
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 7: then kind of go through it that way, and then
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 7: you know, just kind of buzz through it like that.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 7: So then you get a feel for how they want
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 7: to run the ball out of formations. You get a
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 7: good feel for what they are, and then you see
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 7: how it applies to the game and how they get
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 7: to stuff. And then I can apply our first and
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 7: second down game plan to that and just run through that.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 7: And then Wednesday after practice, I do the same thing
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 7: but with first and second down pass. So break it
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 7: down the same way and see how the run game
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: matches with pass.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: Game, what conflicts you could potentially what.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 7: Conflicts, And then like you start to figure out like
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 7: are they a formation based team in the sense of
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 7: do they run plays, run plays and pass plays out
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 7: of formations? So regardless of what the personnel is, like
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 7: if it's three by one wing, they could run that
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 7: at eleven, they could run it at twelve, they could
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 7: run out of thirteen. They could run it at ten
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 7: if they wanted. But it's the same run concept and
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 7: they're just looking for the best matchup within personnel groupings
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 7: that run that run play. Or are they a personnel
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 7: group team where in eleven these are their top five
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 7: run concepts, and then in twelve they want to run this,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 7: and then thirteen they start getting heavy. It's like short yarders.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 7: They're gonna play too heavy a wing and a backside
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 7: tight end and it's going to be like load power
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 7: counter O. Why three poolers going somewhere? Or are they just,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 7: like I said, a formation based team. So then as
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 7: the week goes on, you get a feel for what
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 7: this team wants to do, why they want to do it,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 7: how they get to it. Are they a shift motion team?
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 7: Do they build sets? Because the only thing that matters
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 7: in football is what's the final formation? So are they
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 7: stagnant or they line up in three by one and
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 7: then shift to two by two and then motion this
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 7: guy across to three by one. I don't care about
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 7: any of that. I just want to know results. What's
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 7: the final result of the formation. Is what I want
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 7: to get to and how they do it. So when
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 7: the game comes around, you're not like, oh, well it's
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 7: three by one. But I didn't anticipate them get into it.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 7: Like no, I already knew that there gonna be a
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 7: heavy shift, heavy motion. My brain's already turned onto it.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 7: So when they get to when they start to move, guys,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 7: it's like I've already prepared myself for this. Yeah, and
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 7: then third down you just watch it by you know,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 7: down the distance, and then watch watch another game. And
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 7: so he kind of would all ties together and then
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 7: Friday was red Zone and special. So like if we
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 7: were playing you know cal or Alvin Kamara, like you
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 7: can get a lot of matchups one on one of them.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 7: If we play man coverage like I don't, I don't
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 7: like that matchup.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: You'll be able to get the rat in this situation or.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 7: Like and if I get put in a bad situation,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 7: I need to have a plan of attack of like
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 7: does he like moving off their certain foot, how does
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 7: he stem? Where does he get uncomfortable? Where does his
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 7: move area out of the backfield? Where does he like going?
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 7: And then so when you get in that situation, if
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 7: it's man, You're like, all right, Like he's a better
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 7: athlete than me. He's gonna probably make me miss a bunch.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 7: But like, here's my plan of attack that I've thought
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 7: about on Friday. So when it comes around in the game,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 7: you're like, all right, I'm good, Like, yeah, this is
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 7: my plan of attack, and like I feel good about it,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 7: and I'm going to go attack him and if it works, great,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 7: If not, like I feel good about what I did
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 7: going into the game.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how big of a role did the TV copy? Love?
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 7: TV copy?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah? The TV copy is that where you found their
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: checks and oh yes and stuff like that.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 7: So you just I would just watch like the All
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 7: twenty two and then anytime the quarterback comes to the
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 7: line of scrimmage, you turn on the TV copy and
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 7: see what you got. Everything that he says. You got
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 7: to listen to it and write it down, and then
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 7: you got to check it a few times. You know.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: Do you remember any teams that were changing their verbiage
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: because they essentially knew that they were playing against you?
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 7: No, if I didn't, if I didn't, if I didn't
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 7: know a word, I never guessed. But like you always
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 7: have to. It's always just like it's a NTD. It
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 7: was probably like salt pepper. Yeah, I tell you, yeah,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 7: Salt and pepper. So that was was using the Super Bowl,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 7: and I thought Salt was left and pepper was right
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 7: because salt is and pepper was right.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: Because they had and white black. They had the background
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: there in a black line background when they had salt, Salt, Salt, Hey,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: you're white.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 7: Hey, they got me fucking my head.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: It looks like hey.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 11: Lived something on the same page with you because inside
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 11: inside that game, So inside the game, they said like
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 11: Tiger and Paradis.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 7: Matt Paradis was the center and he and he said
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 7: Tiger Tiger, and one of the offensive linemen was like
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 7: huh and he said Tiger er. I was like, ah,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 7: you're going to the right. So I took that forward
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 7: to salt and Pepper, and I remember having an argument
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 7: with TD about it, and we get in the sideline
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 7: and I'm like, I don't know why they called pepper
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 7: and they and they went to you. I was on
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 7: the right side or whatever, the left side. They're right,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 7: and he's like, no, you missed the whole thing. Salt,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 7: you're white, Pepper. I was like, ah, it makes sense
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 7: now even the crafty Oh my gosh, it's so funny man.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: So I mean, yeah, there's definitely like a crazy amount
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: of you calling out those plays, Like what do you
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: think your batting percentage was on those?
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 7: I think if you feel good about it, Like I
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 7: remember we played Tampa in twenty fifteen and they had
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 7: a toss play. It was Tulsa, and I remember we
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 7: were it was a check they talked about.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: We were.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 7: It was like on a third down maybe, and we
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 7: were all mugged up. So Thomas and I were both
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 7: mugged up. We had a safety mugged up, so we
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 7: were you know, if they had and they had a
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 7: they had a front side bunch and so if they
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 7: if you just downbock pin and pool off, the ball
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 7: defenders that are supposed to make the play are never
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 7: going to get there. It's like throwing a screen out
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 7: of a mug, look like a wide receiver screen. And
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 7: I remember he gets there and James comes up and
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 7: looks around and he's like, all, we got double mug.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 7: All these guys in the line of scrimmage safeties down
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 7: showing off the backside, the rotational guy and the nickel
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 7: showing up because it's a bunch because he's got to
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 7: press the point and he checks Tulsa and I'm like,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 7: oh my gosh, perfect yeah, and said we pull we
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 7: pull everybody out and bump everyone plus everyone front side.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 7: Just totally get out of the blitz. We're supposed to
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 7: be dropping defensive tackles. It was like a sim pressure
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 7: and we just told all the defense I'm like, go,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 7: don't drop. It's a run, it's a toss. Go And
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 7: one of the guys, I think Jared Allen made the
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 7: tackle and I just I was so happy. It's like
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 7: it all works.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 7: You get that one play, get that one play you
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 7: make based on film, and you just like, yeah, it's
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 7: all worth it.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, all the preparation was worth it for sure.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 7: And TD was great at that. TD watched a ton
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 7: of tape too, so we had to get a little
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 7: combo when.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: You get to those games, the amount of preparation you
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: put in, knowing like the album Kamara, when you're like this,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna attack him. So I know regardless, like my
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: process has been correct.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: Did you have nerves before the games or was it
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: like the barn Oh?
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 7: I was always nervous. Yeah, like you want to You
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 7: always want to get in the flow as fast as
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 7: you can of the game. And the longer you're out
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 7: of the flow of the game, the less you feel
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 7: like you're a part of the game. So you can
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 7: prepare all you want, but you you want to get
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 7: into the flow of the game as quickly as you can.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 7: And if you're not in the flow, you feel like
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 7: you're floating, and I hate that. So you're always nervous
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 7: to go in the game because you don't know. Each
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 7: game feels different, like it feels different from you know,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 7: the surface is different, how the team you play is different,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 7: the coordinators are different, how they want to attack you
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 7: is different, the players are different, the run game is different.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 7: Like everything feels different each game, and you were always
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 7: like I don't know about nervous or you're anxious to
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 7: like feel feel the game and be and feel like
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 7: you're a part of the game. And until you do that,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 7: you're kind of like, damn, like I need to need
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 7: to get in there.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: You need to get in there, need to feel someone.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 7: Neither like a little action early in the game.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: With with that thought process, was it better for you
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: in your mind? To go three and out your first
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: defensive drive like oh boys, we got three and out,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: or like a nine eight nine play gritty drive where
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: maybe they come out points, but like you know the kid,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: this next drive, I'm gonna I feel like I'm immersed
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: in this game now, So I feel a whole lot better.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 7: I think it depends on if you get if you
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 7: get a piece of something early.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you got to get a piece of something,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: Like if.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 7: You make a good tackle, like on first or second
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 7: or third down, or like first or second down, you
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 7: make a you make a good play like around the
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 7: line of scrimmage in the run game, you're like, all right,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 7: I got like kind.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: Of first out the way.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 7: I'm good, or like you get to like you make
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 7: a good play on third down you get a stop
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 7: or off the field in like a three and out,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 7: or you know, you just you're in the mix, or
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 7: like you feel to say they're on power and you
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 7: like you like stick a guard and you force a guard,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 7: You're like, all right, I'm in good shape. But if
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 7: it's like pass toss run away incomplete on third down,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 7: you're still like like itch in a little bit. Yeah,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 7: you need to get like you need to get You
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 7: need to get a piece of something.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: Yea to feel somebody. Yeah, talk about the pain from
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: from the Super Bowl? Yeah, and have you forgiven Cam
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: Newton for not jumping on that phone? Oh my gosh.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 7: It was. The further you get away from it, the
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 7: more you appreciate it. Like how special that year was,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 7: how much fun we had, how good our locker room was,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 7: Like all the games that we played in that were
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 7: so fun that the city of Charlotte was awesome. Like
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 7: the media coverage of that season. In the locker room,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 7: it was like anybody that was anybody reporter wise, was
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 7: in the locker room every week. We didn't lose a
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 7: game until Christmas. We played on Thursday, we played, Yeah,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 7: here you go. Played on Thursday night in Jerry World
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 7: down in Dallas on Thanksgiving.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: Oh buddy, I'm sorry interrupted. Yeah, that was my favorite
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: game to watch of you.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm like, you're like a proud father and
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 7: I'm your son. It's like you got like super comfortable
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 7: because we'll talk to the Cowboys.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: He usually has a dim light on it, so it's
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: nice to see him light up with the Cowboys.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: Just as a backer and appreciating and respecting the game
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: that we played, like watching getting to watch that Thursday
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: night football game, because again, you're not like watching everybody
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: else like when you're playing on Sundays, but knowing that
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: you had there was dedicated time like on holidays, to
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, these teams are playing today and
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: watching you against the Cowboys those two those two picks
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: you had back to back. I've sat there and I
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: was trying to get everybody in the room enthralled, like,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: do you guys understand what just happened? You being a
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: Tampa two player and them trying to run you out,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: clear you out for that deep dagger by one and
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: you coming down to pick it off after you already
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: have your responsibility taken care of.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: That is art. Oh you're coming back, coming back.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: The next series and knowing you're in a cover four
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: responsibility with wit as the tight end and they're trying
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: you over the top without any safety help and you
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: picking that ball off, getting your head around.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: That's art. And I just want you to know that.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 7: Hang around me and talk me up a little more.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: Obviously, you have all the all the accomplishments in the world,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: but just like some of those plays and you just
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: talking through Tulsa knowing you're mugged up and everything else.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: I appreciate the art that you put on display.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 7: Was it was, I appreciate that this.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: Hey yeah, sorry, I'm getting rid this right now. But
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: these plays right here, boys like you guys need to
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: lock in.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 7: The guy that made the play was Thomas. So we
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 7: were in a sim pressure So basically what was supposed
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 7: to happen is TD was supposed to blitz and we
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 7: were supposed to drop the defensive end to the field.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 7: So Romo saw the pressure, so he's like, all right,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 7: the hook player. It was just sim pressure Cover three.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 7: The hook player is a defensive end, so I'm gonna
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 7: throw this dig right behind the defensive end. So Romo,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 7: Romo checks protection, swings everything, and so Thomas is like,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 7: do we need to get out of this? They're just
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 7: push protection. To me, it's a bad matchup. So he checked.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 7: Thomas looks at him as like, hey, we need to
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 7: check cover two. I was like, all right, cool, let's
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 7: do it.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: So who's the green dot?
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 7: I did, But Thomas and I and like Roman and
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 7: Kirk Coleman, it was like, it's just a discussion.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: It's a discussion. Crazy that you guys have enough time
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: to have a discussion as well. That's wild.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 7: TD and I had like a hey, he's like he
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 7: just miked it. You want to go to cover too?
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 7: And I was like you want to He's like yeah.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 7: I was like a right, cool, check cover too, So
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 7: like you've got time. And then this play is like
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 7: one of those plays that you talked about. You always
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 7: want to get this play in cover two and it
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 7: never works out that way, like either you're a backside
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 7: hook player or you're blitzing, or it's man coverage, and
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 7: it's just one of those plays where it's just right place,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 7: right time, like it happened and you're taking a shot.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you're like you're you're you're trust look at
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 7: look at Whitney's Yeah.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: He's wide open. But again you're trusting your you're trusting.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: Can you go back to the top of the play.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: And a lot of it starts too with it's like.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: You starting high and trusting that all right, Romo's went
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: through this progression and where now I'm going to take
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: a shot and leave the middle of the field to
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: go pick off.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 7: And then stagger the other thing is so Bene ben
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 7: Wickery is playing, he's on our corners, he's playing at
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 7: the I think the same at the bottom of the screen.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 7: If you don't get a good jam on that guy,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 7: then I can't see the release. So the release by
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 7: one if he inside releases and you get a clear
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 7: out and then a sit Look at the jam. Do
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 7: you see the jam by Bene. So the jam slows
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 7: it down? Yeah, he gets the good jam, pushes him
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 7: inside and puts those two guys on levels and slows
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 7: him down. So the procression for Romo is slower, so
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 7: he doesn't get to dot that ball when he wants to.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 7: But I get to see inside release by one. I
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 7: can see the sit by two. And then once he
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 7: puts his foot in the ground, I'm all right, I'm clean,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 7: Like I'm good because I know that once his inside release,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 7: his company's probably gonna run an cut and that's going
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 7: to push Roman to.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: That over right, So then you're like all right.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 7: But then you, like you said, you're kinda you're kind
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 7: of taking like a calculated chance.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so is as the mic backer you have the
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: middle of the field.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tampa two, you got a bailout and you're deep yeah.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: In his backs to the quarterback. So again he's taking
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: like a calculated wrist just coming out of the middle
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: of the field. And so funny the whole player, you
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: know's it's like you're jumping the fat lady when the
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: pretty ones behind him.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: Why at that point are you like, Okay, I'm safe
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: because you know your safety is now coming back over
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: the top to help you out.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 7: And you kind of know you kind of know where
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 7: that ball is meant to be thrown. The ball is
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 7: meant to be thrown to the dig got you.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: So like his romo in his mind is still thinking,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: you guys are in a simulator PRESSU where the end's
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: going to drop, and that guy's covering him.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 7: I think he probably knows at this point that we're not.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 7: I just think he probably is like, all I got,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 7: I got Tampa, the the hook player jumped the little
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 7: in and out route, the whip route, So I'm just
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 7: gonna throw it behind right, So I had a little
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 7: bit more time to kind of field out because Bene
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 7: got such a good jam he slowed the progress. That
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 7: guy really got him inside. So like it's it's one
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 7: of those things like you don't just make the play
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 7: by yourself. Really good jam, We had really good pressure
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 7: that whole that whole game. We hit him a bunch,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 7: so like that clock gets sped up, and then Thomas
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 7: great awareness him of like getting out of that.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have incredible quarterback answers of shouting.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: Out the team for the entire course.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: I mean because right, it's like when what Romo scene,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: It is like he knows as the hook player sitting there,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, this is a one hundred out of one hundred,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit this clear, hit this dig over because
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: you can.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: See right here, even with you covering the stableway like
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: that almost seems a little open to me. But he's
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: right here. Yeah, and that where him he's like, oh,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: there's no one because he's expecting you to still go.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 7: Up because because avoid in the middle of the field
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 7: and Nickel is moving out towards that whip, so that
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 7: ball is supposed to get thrown between the numbers in
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 7: the hash right that dig it's the dig window. So
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 7: he's like, I'm in good shape, you know.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm sure we're not able to show the
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: screen like during the YouTube, So anybody that's curious as
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: Tony Romo throws an interception to Luke Keekley looked at
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: play up.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll be able to show still, Yeah, because that
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: is that is art, Like that's the beauty, that's the
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: game within the game. That kind of like people will
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: see and like, wow, Luke is amazing. But for you
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: to like give us what TD was saying, the the
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: jam all that like that is that's good football. Eleven
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: guys getting Yeah, you know we had time. He bumped
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: him and put him inside and gave me more time.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: It's like this is happening in four seconds, yes, which
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: is just so crazy because you're not supposed to be
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: anywhere near that ball when it's thrown.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just it's just all it's quil It just
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 7: all fits it like all fits together.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: You know, was there And I hate to bring this
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: up again. Any chatter about Cam Newton not jumping on
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: that fumble. Honestly, no no one ever said, No one
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: ever whispered, no, his.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 7: His toughness. We never questioned it. The guy never never complained.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 7: It's the first guy in every day. He worked so hard,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 7: never never yelled at guys, never threw guys under the bus.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 7: Like you talk about a dude that just all he
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 7: wants to do is play football, and it's just that
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 7: was just a bad game for us. We just didn't play.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 7: We didn't play our best game.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: The Seeing Cam Newton on the field, there's a there's
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: like a few guys Calvin Johnson comes to mind, but
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: seeing Cam Newton dressing on the field, he looks creative player. Yeah,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: he's like an action figure out.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: He's like all of six five. Everybody, well, he's taller
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: than six five. We saw him at Power Slap and
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: he was eye to eye with me. I feel like
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: he was taller. Must get that he's got that.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 7: He's like, he's like he's like seven ft tall with
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 7: all that.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt he's not getting any rides. But that's
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: interesting you say that because the way he's portrayed in
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: the media is that like he's a cat that seems
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: like a very much an eye guy. Well that like
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: when he's when he's on ESPN, he said I would
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: rather have my MVP trophy than a Super Bowl trophy.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not getting that same vibe as I'm getting from you.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: Were like, he's would you give up your defensive player
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: of the years for that super Bowl.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the super Bowl is like the Mecca.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, you.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 7: Know, that's all you want, just want to win a
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 7: super Bowl.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: But he looked at you like you were dumb right there?
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 7: Tell you what toughness, competitiveness, love of the game of
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 7: football of the Carolina Panthers, like Cam just tough. You
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 7: never questioned is he going to play hard? Like you
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 7: never question that. You might question like what is he
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 7: gonna wear? But the dude competed, He played so hard,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 7: loves football.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: Just tough and competitive, and it just it also clearly
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: he knew what was going on. But it's like that
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: what is it that clip of that play where somebody's
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: trying to call out something, somebody's trying to call somebody.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: What you're trying to do? Yeah, oh you like that?
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: Watch this?
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: Oh that was Clay Macaulay's watched that wil you watch
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: film toot.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 7: And he threw that ball to McCaffrey. But it's interesting.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 7: So Cam, it's like he he can he remembers like everything.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 7: So they had to signal him and Greg had a
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 7: signal for like it's like a route that he ran,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 7: and Cam's like, hey, dude, like we got to switch
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 7: it up. We've run this too many times, like everybody
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 7: knows what it is. And Greg's like, all right, what
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 7: do you want it to be? And Cam's like, ah,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 7: I don't know. We did this like four years ago
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 7: and against Atlanta and it was like the third quarter,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 7: and you know it was like ten minutes ago in
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 7: the game and ten minutes to going third quarter and
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 7: I gave you like this signal like I don't know,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 7: that's cool, we just want to do that. Greg's like whatever, yeah,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 7: And like I like went and looked it up and
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 7: I was like whoa, Like he was spot on. He
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 7: was like pretty dagone close. Yeah. So, but him and
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 7: Greg had a really good connection. Like Greg has such
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 7: a great feel for you know, space and timing and
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 7: windows and just he had he was really good at
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 7: a lot of things.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 7: He was big, he'd catch everything, could run, block, never
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 7: came off the field. But he had such a good
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 7: feel for like where to be, how to get there,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 7: how to stem guys. Like he was so good at that.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 7: And Cam and him had such a great connection that
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 7: they could just kind of look at each other and
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 7: they both knew what was going on. They'd line up
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 7: in this set. It was a three by one set,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 7: so Greg they called it one by three. Gray was
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 7: backside and you could line up and cover three or
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 7: cover four. It didn't matter. It was basically man because
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 7: it was just Greg in a corner or of safety
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 7: by themselves and they just look at each other and
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 7: figure it out. And it was really cool to watch.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 7: But a lot of it was just Cam's super smart
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 7: remembers everything tough, competitive, and it was fun to watch
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 7: him and Greg play.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: With each other. How was it being in the mix
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: of the Odell Beckham and Josh Norman.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, that was like peak Josh Norman.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And that was part of Josh's game. I remember
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 7: when we played Dallas, him and Des are going at
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 7: it the whole game, and that was part of Josh's game.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: And you know.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 7: It was we were in it and they let and
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 7: I'll tell you what, they let those guys play a
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 7: little bit until there was a couple. There was like
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 7: one or two instances where like they had to separate them.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: Odell went had to have missile shot.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 7: Was that that one wasn't great? But that Josh was
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 7: another guy. Josh great feel great, feel smart, unbelievable ball
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 7: skills in ultra competitive, ultra competitive, so that was a
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 7: great matchup for them. Josh played fantastic that year. Josh
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 7: was exactly what we needed in our defense, like long rangey,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 7: great ball skills, could compete competitive. He was really good
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 7: and that that was an interesting game. We were up
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 7: a million points and they came all the way back.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 7: Odell actually caught a ball there at the end of
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 7: the game to tie it up, and then Cam went
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 7: down and I'm going to kick the field would win it.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 7: But it was like we were there there, Josh and
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 7: I having good chat here.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: Tried tell him to keith his cool.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 7: I hey, keep doing you man.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had him at Washington. He's his ability to
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: punch the ball out, the Peanut punch.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 7: He learned it from Peanut, So Josh Josh was always
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 7: around the ball. Then Peanut came in twenty fifteen and
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 7: Josh was like his Josh, I think saw that and
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 7: He's like like, I can do that, and he just
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 7: had It's a timing thing, you know, It's a timing thing.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 7: It's an opportunity to think. It was just really good
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 7: at it. So yeah, he was at Peanut was awesome.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 7: You talk about a teammate, Oh my gosh, great teammate,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 7: Peanut Tillman, Oh my gosh, I love that guy.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: You guys had some fucking dogs that.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 7: Super Bowl year, so it was cool.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: I mean you you always Jared Allen to like him.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we had Jared Allen and Peanut that in at
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 7: twenty fifteen year, and then Romanse came in. I remember
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 7: the first time I met Pep.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, Yeah, he is a monster.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 7: He's big, but he's very He's proportional, so like when
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 7: you see him from a distance, you're like, oh, he's
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 7: big because he's so proportional, and the closer you get
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 7: to him, you're like, oh, yeah, it's pretty stout.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: I was so happy when we played, y'all, and he
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: was I think he went back right, he played, and
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: then he went to the Packers.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 7: They played us at fifteen, he was in, he was
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 7: Green Bay. So he went Carolina, Chicago and then Green
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 7: Bay and then at the end he came back.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: To us because when he that was like his last year, right.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 7: His last two years drinking.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: His last two years. So when we played, I mean
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: he put his hand in the dirt. I'm looking at
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: my form and his forum. I'm like, this is not
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: something we're not playing the same game. Him an equal,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: but he was in that he was in that mode
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: of I'm gonna pick and choose my shots to kind
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: of win, to really go hard. But he was like
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: playing the game and it was love. Just I was
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: so happy.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 7: I'm just so talented man.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, him and guys like Sugs too, like just kind
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: of like understood the game at a level where they
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: knew when it was time to turn it on and
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: not on. That older age was just so cool to see.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: So then another guy that was a freaking athlete, Shack Thompson. Shack,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: so we're mentioning all those vets and yeah, Shaq Thompson
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: had the ability to he had a lot of range.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 7: Oh my gosh. So it was interesting. They bring Shack
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 7: in and he played running back, linebacker, safety at Washington
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 7: and we bring him in and Thomas was playing well,
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 7: I was playing. Mike's so like, there's not a ton
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 7: of room. But we're like, we need to get this
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 7: guy on the field because he's so talented. He does
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 7: everything well and he was super smart from the day
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 7: he got there, Like you tell him at one time,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 7: he got it. And there's guys that can like memorize,
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 7: and there's guys that just have great feel for the
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 7: game of football and how to play in competitive and effort.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 7: Shack showed up in the day that he got there.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 7: He had all of that, and so we need to
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 7: find a way to get him on the field. So
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 7: we would play him at nickel and we called it
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 7: Buffalo and it was just like a it was just
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 7: a package we had. It was like a big nickel,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 7: so we could play all of our nickel calls but
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 7: have a bigger body in there so we could like
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 7: blitz him. We could play five down with him on
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 7: the line of scrimmage, we could play zone coverage, so
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 7: then there was really no matchup issues. But we were
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 7: able to get him on the field and highlight what
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 7: he was able to do, and it was just awesome.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 7: And he's a great and he's a great. He took
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 7: so much pride and being the young because our room
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 7: was good. So it was like Thomas aj Klein was
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 7: a really.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: Good player because he was a fourth rounder that yeah,
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: he was Iowa State kid.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: Was he twenty thirteen?
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 7: Thirteen year.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was my year because he sat behind you.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: But anytime like you would be down and he'd come in,
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: he'd light it up like he got to go on
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: and take a contract to get bigger money. Yeah with
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: New Orleans, right, yeah, with New Orleans.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 7: So Aj would play, Shaq would play, but our room
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 7: was like established older guys, and he came in and
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 7: it was like his mission, like I'm not going to
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 7: let any of you guys down. So like that's how
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 7: he prepared, that's how he practiced. So he's played special teams,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 7: never complained ever, just a good guy that like got it.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: So he's got a great career.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fires Mal, you guys did have just a hell
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: of a room. Yeah, I'm sure like Aj, you know,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: you just got to be itching to get on the
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: field at times, like playing behind somebody like yourself or
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: just knowing you're not going to be seeing the field
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: unless an injury or something like that happens. Because Aj
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: was a stud at Iowa State. And again anytime he
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: came in during extint that you'd be out, like he'd
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: light it up like he was a hell of a
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: middle linebacker.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll tell you what you give those guys a
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 7: lot of credit too, because he was like the the
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 7: first guy in wherever. So if his needed to be Will,
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 7: he could play Will. If he needed to play Mike,
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 7: he could play Mike. If you were playing you know,
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 7: three backers in like a bass, look, he could play Sam.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 7: And you know, you don't get reps at practice, right,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 7: Like you don't get any So he had to show
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 7: up in lock in and meetings and go to practice
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 7: and you know, do his thing there and then go
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 7: run down on teams and then oh hey, somebody, Hey,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 7: Luke's out, Like go play Mike backer, all right. Well,
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 7: and that next week TD's out, Lukes backing, all right?
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 7: Now you get to go play Will backer. And it's
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 7: like it never he never lost a step or like
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 7: had a mental blip. He's just it's impressive like those
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 7: guys that are able to do that at a high level.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, what was so fascinating to me is watching
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: your career and like when when you started like four
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: or five six are to sustain a couple of injuries,
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: your ability to kind of take your head out of
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: it but still be so productive. How did how is
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: that like transition for you? Because it seemed, at least
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: from me on film. Obviously, Okay, this guy's not putting
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: his face in as much, but he's still finding ways
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: to manipulate blocks and be just as productive.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 7: Which you kind of nailed it. Like you the older
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 7: you get like you physically you slow down, right, but
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 7: it's like like physically you slow down, but like mentally
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 7: you you learn more.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you passed your physical ability with mental ability.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 7: Yes, So then you're like, all right, I don't need
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 7: to I don't need to go smash that guy. Like
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 7: I know where his point of attack angles, I know
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 7: where mine is. Can I speed him up? Can I
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 7: slow him down? Can I get him playing at my speed?
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 7: Like my advantages are quicker and faster. I might be
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 7: a little bit I might have a little bit more
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 7: like quick pop than he does. If I get in
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 7: a dog fight with him, he's bigger, stronger, he's more powerful,
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna lose like nine out of ten times. So
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 7: it's like, how can I manipulate a block in the
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 7: sense of like if I need to get there, and
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 7: I can get you to slow your feet down or
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 7: stop your feet now, I can speed up faster than you.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 7: I can slow down faster you. I can beat up
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 7: faster than you. So instead of like trying to run
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 7: through your chest, if I can get you to stop
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 7: your feed doom boom, I can just get past you
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 7: that way. So it's like how can I You don't
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 7: you don't want to hit a million guys in the game.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: It just wears you down. So it's like there's an
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: ego element to it, like Mike Linebacker being a thumper,
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: like you could hit Like was there a point where
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: like I don't want to give up this part of me,
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: but I know it's the best from my longevity.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you just like you gotta you love the game
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 7: of football, like you better figure out how to play
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 7: it as long as you can. And that's just kind
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 7: of part of the Like it's kind of part of
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 7: the game.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: You know, talk to us about how when you were
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: first starting to sustain the concussions, Like if I'm a
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: teammate of yours and you get ding the first time, Oh, Luke,
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: he's got a concussion. Second time, Luke's got a concussion.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: Third time.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: When a pattern starts creeping up and then you're coming
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: into the cafeteria or something, and it's like, hey, what
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: are you learning? Like, talk about that time as a
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: pattern starts to show itself with your head injury.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: Because there's always a point of feeling like vulnerable, like
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: almost like mortals and.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: Too like when you're getting stuff like concussions. You know
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: there's a part anytime you have an injury in your
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: coming in the room, you're you feel like you've let
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: everybody down, or like if you have an ankle right
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: or a high ankle sprain, and guys might be like,
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: you know, they're not questioning can you go, but in
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: your mind you're insecure enough to where you're like, I
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: hope these guys know that I am facing something pretty
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: bad right now. I'm just not able to be on
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, but yeah, talk about your the head injuries.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 7: I think a lot of it is what you learn
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 7: and you know, like you said, you're twenty five years old,
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 7: you're like, I'm fine. I think a lot of it
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 7: is with the concussion stuff. It's like you need to
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 7: be as honest with you can't with as you can
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 7: with yourself and with everyone taking care of you, because
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 7: if they don't know how you feel, they can't help you.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 7: So like, the more honest you are with them, the
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 7: better and the quicker you can come back from whatever
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 7: you have going on concussion wise, And that's what I learned,
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 7: you know, probably the hard way is like our doctors
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 7: are phenomenal. They took great care of me. They did
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 7: everything they needed to do, And I just wish I
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 7: would have learned from an earlier age to be more
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 7: honest with them, because you got to get all the
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 7: way back before you can go play again. Right, Yeah,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 7: Like there's no like, say you have like a risk
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 7: that's bugging you, you can like tape it and like like okay.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like a badge of honor when you're.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 7: Like you just like figure it out, like or you
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 7: do something to your finger, like all right, but like
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 7: you don't really you'll be fine, yeah, versus your head,
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 7: it's like you can't really tough it out. And the
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 7: more you try to tough it out, the worse it gets.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 7: And then you start to realize, like why do I like,
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 7: like you said, you want to play and like you
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 7: want to bring value to your team, right, And then
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 7: you start to realize, like, all right, if I'm not
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 7: honest and I go back out before I should, I
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 7: get dinged again, I'm providing less value to my team
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 7: because now I'm gonna be out for longer. So it's like,
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 7: all right, maybe it takes me, you know, two weeks
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 7: to come back. I'd rather be honest and take those
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 7: fool two weeks and come back. Then after we'd be
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 7: like I'm good and like and you're not, and then
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 7: you get dinged again. Now it's five weeks, so instead
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 7: of it being a two week injury, it's a six
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 7: week injury. And it's because you didn't take care of yourself.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 7: Like that's really I think what I learned, you know,
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 7: probably not as quickly as I should have, But what
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 7: I learned was the more honest you are with yourself,
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 7: and the more honest you are with the guys that
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 7: are their job is to take care of you, then
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 7: the better it is for you, for them, for the team,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 7: for your you know, I just want to play football.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 7: The faster I can get back to playing football, So
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 7: it's like everything gets better the more honest you are.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: Now when you had the first one, like, how many
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: do you would do you think that you had before
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: that first one?
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 7: I don't think I had zero, zero, Like for sure,
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 7: like one hundred percent, because you always wonder like, well,
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 7: I know if I get one, And then the first
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 7: one I got was in twenty fifteen, and I was like, yeah,
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 7: that's that's one.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So and did that when you come back earlier
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: from like when you're saying I learned it sooner if
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: you did, if you feel like you didn't have any
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: before that first one, was there some of those early
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: ones that you're like trying to in your brain tough enough?
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 7: So that one was the first one, and I was like,
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 7: I was like, I need to like get my I
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 7: need to get better. And it worked out literally perfectly.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 7: So that was week one and then I think we played, Yeah,
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 7: we played three games and we had to buy so
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 7: you know, you got to two weeks into it, and
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 7: our trainers like, dude, he's like, you need to relax
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 7: first of all, because you're putting all this stress on yourself.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 7: So what's just you're not gonna play next week? How
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 7: about that? And I wasn't. I wasn't going to be
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 7: back anyways, but he like, I'd give him a lot
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 7: of credit. Ryan Vermilion, he took all the the pressure
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 7: off me and was like, we're just you're not going
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 7: to play next week, and then the following weeks of
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 7: bye week, so like you have two weeks so just
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 7: like kind of relax. And that happened and I was like, oh,
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 7: like okay. So then I remember I went home for
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 7: the bye week, and I I knew how to aggravate it,
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 7: like I knew how to give myself. A lot of
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 7: it was uh oh uh exercise base, like heart rate base,
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 7: Like if I got my heart rate up, then I
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 7: was start getting like headaches, and I was like, all right,
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 7: I feel really good. It was like Thursday of the
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 7: bye week, Thursday or Friday, I was back in Cincinnati
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 7: and I wrote up like a really hard workout and
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 7: I was like, all right, this is like it like
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 7: either I'm gonna be good or I'm not gonna be good.
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 7: And there's like no one between either I'm gona feel
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 7: like crap or gona feel really good. Yeah, and I
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 7: hit that working and I was like all right, I'm
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 7: good and uh then and then I had a full
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 7: a full another week of practice. So essentially you had
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 7: like five weeks. You know, you're not really hitting anybody
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 7: in practice.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: Especially at that point. Yeah, that third week and then Mark.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that was probably the best I could have handled it.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 7: And then moving forward, you just have a couple when
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 7: you want to play, and so maybe you don't like
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 7: you just I didn't handle it as probably well as
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 7: I could have, and like it just it was it
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 7: was unfortunate. But like now it's like you go talk
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 7: to guys, you're dude, if you get one, like you
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 7: have to be smart and you got to be honest
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 7: with yourself.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a difficult game you're talking about though,
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: because you have the hindsight of like looking back, like
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: when these like Will and I talk about all the time,
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: Like when you're in it, there's like these blinders that
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: are on your eyes and you are solely focused on
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: this thing and this is the main storyline of your life.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: But everything else, like the next forty years of your
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: life you're not even concerned about it. Yeah.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 7: Well, and you're also like the only thing I want
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 7: to do is play football, right, Like that's it, Like
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 7: I just want to play football. I want to be
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 7: on the field with the guys, like I love playing
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 7: football on Sundays. And then this prevents you from doing it.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 7: So you're like, I just won't play football like I
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 7: just won't play. I just won't play. I just won't play,
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 7: And that clouds your judgment more than like really anything else.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 7: Is like I just miss wake up on Sunday during
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 7: football season and like just like watching from your my house. Yeah,
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 7: Like we played Tampa then in twenty fifteen, and I
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 7: remember sitting in my apartment, like the team went down
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 7: there and I was just watching it at my house,
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 7: Like this freaking sucks.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: There's no there's no lonelier feeling than when a team
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: you're injured and the team goes on an away game,
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: when you watch the buses leave and you're like you
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: feel so ico everybody in your life. Yeah, it's terrible.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 7: But then it's like it's good perspective. It's like what
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 7: do you take from it? And it's like all right,
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 7: well when other guys are missing games, like you gotta
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 7: have like like you got to check on those guys,
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 7: like dude, how you doing right? Because you know what's
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 7: eating them up? Yeah, it's like, dude, I feel you man,
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 7: like just get better.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they get better. So how many did you end
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: up getting throughout your career?
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 7: Don't I don't know. I mean I miss some time
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 7: and obviously fifteen sixteen. I missed a game in seventeen
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 7: and then like nothing that was like really nothing like
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 7: big after that?
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: When was retirement starting to come into the fold end of.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 7: That twenty nineteen season, because you just like clip a
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 7: guy and you're like, dang, like like I don't. It
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 7: wasn't like you know, you should just go smack dudes
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 7: and have no issues. I would go hit a guy
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 7: and I'm like, didn't really feel great. And so then
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 7: once you make the decision in your mind, like you know,
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 7: I'm not all the way in it once, like mentally,
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 7: were you starting to think about it a lot in
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 7: two nineteen, Yeah, like like the last like the last
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 7: game of the year. I was like, I'm done. Done.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: So that's when you made your decisions that last week.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 7: After so it was week it's week sixteen, so obviously
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 7: week seventeens, last week, week sixteen. I remember being like, yeah,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 7: probably done.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: So really was there a process of like talking to
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: anybody or was feeling.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 7: I just remember after that game like I was like, yeah,
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 7: you don't, you don't got it anymore, Like you just
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 7: you don't, you don't like you don't have it.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: What's your you don't have it because I'm stay right.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 7: Now, yeah, like you know, you can't play. I would
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 7: have been fine if like I physically slowed down, like
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 7: can't run as well, like not as fast, maybe I'm
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 7: not as physical, maybe like I don't have the same
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 7: like fire. I would have been fine with that, and
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 7: I would have like kind of just probably milked it
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 7: out a little bit more like Noah, I love playing.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 7: But once I knew it was my head and I'm like, like, mentally,
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 7: I'm like, dude, it's either yes or no, Like, if
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 7: you slow down, you can, like physically you can still
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 7: play football hard and like play it fast and play
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 7: with great effort. But once I knew in my head mentally,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 7: like it's not any of that. It's like your head stuff.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 7: Now you can't you can't in your brain. In my brain,
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 7: I couldn't rationalize, like I can't play as hard as
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 7: I want to. My effort's not going to be there.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 7: I can't be as physical. And once I knew that,
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 7: I'm like, man, it's not fair to the guys in
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 7: the team, and it's not fair to the coaches, and
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 7: it's not fair to like the fans and myself and
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 7: my family for me to go out there at like
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 7: mentally seventy five percent, Like if I got to thump
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 7: a guard and push a guy back to Chack to
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 7: make a play and I'm like yeah, and like I
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 7: get widened and then and then the shack the tackles
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 7: really hard on Shack, Like that's not fair to Shack
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 7: for me to like, no, especially mentally, I know the
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 7: reason why I'm not stuffing that guy. Once I knew that,
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 7: I was like okay, versus like I'm you know, Sam
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 7: Suil playing right now and I'm thirty three years old
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 7: and I go to stuff a guard and like that
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 7: dude's twenty five years old and he just mauls me.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 7: Like I'm like, I mean, I did everything right. I
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 7: tried hard. I prepared in the offseason, like I gave
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 7: it everything I had. That guy's just a young dude
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 7: and just beat me versus like in my head, I'm
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 7: like I didn't take him on as like I didn't
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 7: hit him how I should have, Like I'm not with that,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 7: Like I couldn't. I couldn't do that.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And knowing that your effort.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 7: Wasn't my effort wasn't there, and like that's not fair
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 7: to like the guys in the team.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, in yourself too, like
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: you have to stand in your head of how you
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: play the game and how you want to play the game,
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: and you know, like not that you're half assing, but
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: if you were thinking about that trying to smash a
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: guard and you're like, I didn't do this because of.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: X, Y and Z. In my mind, it's just not
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: fair to any Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: So I love that you're sweating on the dudes.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like this outside. Yeah, well we've had
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: it as we actually started a gravel parking lot in
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: the middle of May. Yeah, dude, it's it's it's so
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: impressive to me because like when I talk to you,
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: when I listen to you talk like this motherfucker loves ball,
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: you could just tell he's not just about himself, he's
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: about the team. He's about everybody, everybody else's job, and
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: I can I can feel that from you. And then
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: you sit there and say, week sixteen, I knew I
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: was done and that was it. It's what was that
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: transition like for you? Because now you're going from a
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: guy that I have no doubt was one hundred percent
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: in on football his entire life to now your service
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: bus brand. Yeah, you're you're one hundred percent in. And
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: now you're waking up in the fall and it's like, Okay,
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: you wake up in August and I know you're feeling
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: we've done it for a few years now. It's like
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: you wake up in August and you're like, it's fucking great.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: Like there's a priciview that's like all right, Like I know,
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: all them boys fifteen minutes out of the room from
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: my house are dying right now, and I just will
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: go my kids, you know, a little breakfast with them.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: There are so many positives, But then there's no Sundays
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: where you sit there and it's like two thirty and
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: the noonslate's ending and you see your team catching a
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: big wine and it's like, fuck, I missed with that
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: locker room. Is gonna feel like when they go back
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: in there. Yeah.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 7: So my first year out, I worked with the team
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 7: in the scouting department, so that was cool. And then
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 7: on game days I was in the booth with the
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 7: offense and I was the personnel guy. So like the
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 7: they'd come out and I'd be in charge of like
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 7: are they nickel, are they in base? What kind of
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 7: base are they in? All that kind of stuff. So
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 7: that was hell, Yeah, get wed upgrade and we go
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 7: from paper towers to pre towels.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: It's great. I felt like a little air coming into.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about your concussions.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sweat my ass off.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 7: So it was cool. I got to be at the
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 7: games on Sundays, and the first year was the first
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 7: year was like damn man, like I still think I
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 7: can play, And so that part was hard. And then
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 7: the further way you get from it, you're like, like
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 7: I do the radio with the team. Now do the
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 7: radio broadcast. And I go on the field before the
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 7: game and you see these guys run by you and
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 7: you're like, I'm good.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: All set, I'm good man, appreciate you.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 7: Like Tristan works, he comes running by and you're like,
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 7: I'm all good.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: There was a video two days ago on Instagram of
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: him squatting five plates for like three or four reps
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: with ease.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 7: He's like the nicest guy in the world.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a great human. The Iowa cat Like, he's
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: just a great dude. He just he is the athletic
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: ability of a linebacker. Yeah, squad seven hundred pounds men.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: We were filming that a couple of years ago when
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: we were at the that Arizona Bowl, and you're just
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: seeing the guys kind of warm up in practice and
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: pop the pads a little bit beforehand, and you're just
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: sitting there thinking like what the.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: Fuck comes, Like, Yo, what psychopath would do this? Yeah? Yeah,
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: because once you get out of it, like you get
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: soft quick.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 7: You want to be the guy that's like on the team,
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 7: but they put you on season ending ir so you're
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 7: like you get to show up like you kind of
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 7: have a job, but like you don't have to play.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 7: You can still travel your stress. Yeah, stress, you like
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 7: walk out to practice, you drink some coffee. But you're
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 7: on the team, so like your way of life is
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 7: like socially acceptable, you know what I mean, versus like
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 7: if you get done, you're like I can't just like
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 7: go hang out in the locker room and like lift,
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 7: Like you can't do that.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here comes this pro scout looke. Yeah you just
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: want Yeah, you're like the places, right, you got to
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: go bring a guy upstairs and get cut.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: Like yeah that year, did you ever have to do that?
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 7: Brought one guy up the worst.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about the year being in the pro scouting.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 7: I'll tell you what, you learn a lot about the NFL,
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 7: like what plays, types of guys in the NFL. Like
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 7: you learn a ton and it was super cool. Like
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 7: I learned a lot and it was super beneficial, but
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 7: it wasn't something I wanted to do long term, but
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 7: like you really get to see like what play, like
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 7: the difference between personnel and a three four versus personnel
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 7: and a four to three, Like body types like lengthd
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 7: what guys are looking for, what plays, what doesn't play,
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 7: types of running backs, Like you don't have a feel
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 7: for that. While you're playing. Is all you do is
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 7: studying an opponent. You're not studying like you know height, weight, speed, size,
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 7: how they play, what kind of football player they are,
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 7: And you learn like the whole league by doing that.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 7: Because we did, we had to watch all the free
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 7: agents for that season going into the next year. So
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 7: then like now moving forward, like you watch a guy
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 7: and you're like, like, we watched that guy for twenty
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 7: five minutes and graded him and wrote a report on him,
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 7: and like it's it was really cool.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: So was it like cutting I just remember going up there,
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: probably a linebacker.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 7: I remember it was a corner and I remember just
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 7: walking up there, and I remember I walked into the
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 7: GM's office and I'm like, hey, look like I'm down
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 7: to do a lot of things, Like I kind of
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 7: don't want to do that, like after after the fact that, yeah,
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 7: I was like, guys, like I I'd rather just like
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 7: not do that. I feel bad because, like, I know
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 7: how hard it is to play and like and make
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 7: the roster. It feel like you're on the roster and
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 7: then get cut, Like you see all your buddies do
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 7: that throughout your whole career, and you're like, man, like
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 7: I'd rather not be that guy that has to do that.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 7: And they're like they're like, yeah, sorry, we don't have
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 7: to do that anymore.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: Like cool, You're like, damn, you know you got pulling
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: the gym apologize to Luke's a grim reaper.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, guy, you don't want to be that guy
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 7: because you know, you're you're standing at the door waiting
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 7: for them to come in from practice and everyone's.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: Like, Luke, what's up.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 7: Man.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: You're like, hey, can I talk to you?
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 7: And they're like dang, yeah.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: And one year removed. Yeah, like eighty percent of that
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: roster knows you as a team.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 7: As a teammate.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: So I got up.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 7: I got up there and they're like, we're sorry, Like
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 7: it's cool, I just rather not do that again.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Was this a guy that was on the team
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: the year before.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 7: We know, but he was a dude, that's like he
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 7: he was like a dude, like a dude in the
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 7: league for a while.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: Oh so, and when you when he says something to him,
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: was there any like common like, man, you're the grim Reaper? No?
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 7: I think he I think he probably knew it was coming,
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 7: but it doesn't make it any easier.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's he was a vet, herenerstood game.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 7: He's been in the league for a long time, and
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 7: like it was a dude. So I think he's probably.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: Like Luke's trying to study on how to cut guys.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: He's just throwing on moneyball.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: I mean that's at any point during that season of
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: you being a scout or doing whatever you were doing,
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: did they have a reproach you and be like, hey,
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: could you play a couple more games for us?
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 7: They always joked about it, but I was like, guys,
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 7: like you know, how quickly you tighten up like quads,
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 7: he low back. You know, the guy's like running and
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 7: looks like they get shot. That would have been me,
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 7: Like first time they run, you know, a seam ball
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 7: and I got to chase the guy in the middle field.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know the first game, the first game
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: that Michael linebacker didn't have a great one and someone
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: made a joke to you, if you would have been like, yeah,
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: I'll give it another like are you for real?
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 7: My injury waiver would have been like this long? Yeah huge,
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 7: I mean that paycheck though it would have been a
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 7: league minimum.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, you pull that hamstring. I are
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: the rest of the season. That's yeah, that would have
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: been nice. Bro. Thanks, he's on the team still that
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: guy there, Yeah that is that would suck to me.
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: Now, did you were you in a point too mentally
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: to where you're, uh, you're juggling or trying to figure
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: out what you're wanting to do long term, like how's
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: everything checking up?
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: You mentioned your youth football coach with with Greg Goles,
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: so shout out the boy Greg, you do radio stuff.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: Was there a moment to where you're like, man, I
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 1: kind of don't I have no clue what I want
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: to do, and I'm kind of chasing some dead ends.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 7: I think you yeah, I think there's you don't know
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 7: what you want to do. Obviously, like you get done
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 7: and like like perfect word, I would have I would
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 7: have loved have kept playing, So like I probably happened
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 7: earlier than I wanted it to. And so then the
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 7: process becomes like you have to just continually try stuff
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 7: until you find stuff that you like, and then once
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 7: you like it, then just keep doing it. And then
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 7: if you don't like it, then you stop doing it.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 7: But like you have to there needs to be a
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 7: concerted effort. Two, if you're going to go do something like,
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 7: you got to go all the way in, because if
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 7: you tiptoe around it, you're not gonna get the full experience.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 7: You're gonna waste your time. More importantly, you're you're using
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 7: somebody else's time too, Like if somebody's gonna help you
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 7: try to dive into something and you and you don't
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 7: go all the way and you're wasting their time. So
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 7: it's like, all right, I'm gonna go all the way
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 7: in on a couple of things. I'm gonna try certain
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 7: things out. I tried scouting, just wasn't my thing. It
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 7: was fun, It's just like I'm not doing this long term.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: And then they too, Yeah, just busy.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 7: Then the next year I did the radio with the
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 7: Panthers radio broadcast, like that's awesome, Like I really like that.
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 7: So that's pretty much the whole season, and then the
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 7: youth football stuff with Greg. So his son Tates in
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 7: that picture and that's his dad, Chris. His dad Chris
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 7: coached high school football on Jersey and just look them up.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 7: They didn't lose a game for like five years in
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 7: a row.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: Look them up. Just look them up.
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 7: So we've been doing that for this will be our
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 7: fourth year. So it's been awesome, like we have a
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 7: ton of fun with it. We coach at a a
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 7: school and Arlott Charlotte Christian is the school. Check us out, okay,
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 7: And this is our first year coaching at Charlotte Christian
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 7: was last year because Tate, Greg's oldest was in seventh grade,
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 7: so we did coach Pop Warner for two years and
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 7: then Tate got in the seventh grade. So then we
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 7: coach at the grade school which is attached to the
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 7: high school, and then we'll coach again at the high
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 7: school this year.
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: So what happens to the current staff that's like, you know,
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: so they kind of bounce back kind of like, hey, Greg.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: Ols and Louke Keiley they're coming in.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 7: So it's awesome. So it's really we got a new staff.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 7: The two guys that like make it run it are
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 7: Greg and his dad, like they're phenomenal, and then the
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 7: other we got two or two or three other guys.
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 7: Three other guys, So it's Stu Jonathan Stewart Okay coaches
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 7: the running backs, which has been phenomenal, just a crazy
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 7: and then Todd Blacklice. So Todd Blackler's quarterback at Penn
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 7: State National Championship one was a first round pick. Now
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 7: does NBC. I think it's NBC College with Noah Eagle
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 7: Iron Eagle son, so that he does he does college
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 7: football on Saturday, big, big, big game. So he did
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 7: all have State Oregon last year. He's like he's a
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 7: little bit and he lives in and he lives in Charlotte.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 7: So it's so much fun because I mean, Greg and
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 7: Stu are like some of my best budds when we
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 7: were playing, so I get to hang out with them.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 7: Greg's Dad's awesome, Todd's great, and we just have a
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 7: ton of fun with it.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: Would you ever want to call games like Greg does
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 2: rap right?
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 7: The I think so the radio. The interesting thing about
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 7: radio and TV, so radio you really just talk about
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 7: like what's happening in the game, and like why it's happening.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 7: What I think is cool about TV is like Greg
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 7: does a phenomenal job of like setting games up, and
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 7: like what I mean by setting it up is like
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 7: talking about what he anticipates going to happen in the game,
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 7: why it's gonna happen, what you know, say, it'd be
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 7: like if say Tristan Wurfs has missed the last couple
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 7: weeks and he's back in the lineup, Greg will talk about,
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 7: you know, Tristan Wurf's is back in the lineup, this
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 7: is how it affects him in the run game, in
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 7: the past game, this is where Tristan Wurfs is really
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 7: good in the run game. So maybe they're gonna like
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 7: Greg does it way better than that. But you can
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 7: really lay out a game doing TV because you don't
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 7: have to explain what's happening every play because the viewer
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 7: can watch the game, and Greg is able to set
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 7: it up early in the game and then really talk
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 7: through situational stuff and get into, you know, really why
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 7: things are happening and why why it worked, why it did.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 7: He does a great job with that, and I think
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 7: that part would be really cool. But I just have
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 7: a ton of fun with the radio stuff, and like
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 7: I told you, guys, like I just try to do
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 7: things that I enjoy, and I enjoy the radio. I
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 7: think the TV would be really would be really fun
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 7: as well. So I just kind of see what happens.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: You ever you got out to uh Buffalo, yeah, for
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: some uh for some coaching. Do you ever see yourself
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: coaching in the league one day or trying to coach
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: at a high level like that?
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 7: I think it'd be a ton of fun. It's just
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 7: those hours, Like.
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: Bro, they're nuts.
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's like, take what players do when they're
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: studying all week long, and yeah coaches, man, it's it's
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: like around the clock.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 7: It's just all the time. And like I'm just not
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 7: ready to give up that much time. So I mean
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 7: answer proably not.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, the hours are crazy. I don't I mean,
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: you the boy might there's like an itch, there's an
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: itch in there. It's somewhere. I don't know.
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 7: If it's not a lot about doing is doing it
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 7: during OTAs. Yeah, So get out there and OTAs and
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 7: like and be like hey, these next six weeks, like
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 7: I'm in, like every day, I'm in whenever you guys are,
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 7: and just do it and then you'll know by the
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 7: end of that I like yes or no.
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 2: But OTAs is such a different vibe than camp and season. Yeah.
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: Ots is so light. The coaches are feel good, everyone's
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: kind of joking around. The minute you walk into the
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: building July twenty fifth or whenever that you know, everyone
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: goes into camp. Buttles are tight.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: Not only that, but if you get behind the eight
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: ball in the season. Yeah, yeah, you start off in
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: you two and two, one and three, people just pissed off.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: You're trying to navigate bad attitudes everywhere. It's difficult. That's
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: like one thing you don't miss is like the bipolarness
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: of coaches and teammates.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 7: It's like you miss like that, like not stress, but
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 7: like that pressure of.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 2: Like we gotta go, like we gotta Yeah, it's a
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: big one right here.
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 7: Like we got to go make this like this is
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 7: a big game. This is for a lot of reasons,
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 7: Like you miss that, like the urgency, that urgency, that's pressure.
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: Those week like Week fourteen on when your team's like
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: on the bubble, like are we going to make the playoffs?
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: Are we not?
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: What do we control in our destiny? What teams have
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 2: to lose? And it's like you're kind of with your
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: little whether it's a linebacker group or meet at the
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: offensive lineman's like we got to do X, Y and
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: Z to make a wild card. Didn't happen for us.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: That's why you play the band of brothers.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 7: December like you want to be you want to you
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 7: want your season the matter in December.
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 7: You obviously want it to matter in like September, October, November,
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 7: but like if it comes December and you're like, hey,
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 7: like you're in the un We're in the mix, and.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 2: Then anything can happen in January.
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 7: It didn't even matter, Like you're in the mix. Like
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 7: you're in the mix, that's all that matters. And now
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 7: you got to just go play your best ball. It's
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 7: that's the best.
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: Part of that is the worst feeling in the world
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: is December and nothing matter. Yeah, and you're like, you
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: hear the older guys in my first two years, we
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 2: won five games my first two years, and I'm hearing
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: older guys talk about Cabo and all these things are
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: going to go on, and you're just still so involved
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: and you think every game still matters. What's going on here,
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: guys feeling? Yeah, exactly.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: Play for the name on your back now, yeah, anything,
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 1: find it somewhere. Yeah, but you get those coaches the whay,
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: you know, might they might be on the outs where
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 1: they just start giving the play for the name on
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: your back. Whatever you play for, whether you find and
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: you just know, way, we're all in December and we're nobody.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 1: The name on your front, your family at home, maybe
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 1: the cash of the bake account, name on your back.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 2: Let that heart turn black walk.
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 7: Oh man, you gotta find it though.
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this has been awesome. Yeah it has. I
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 2: was just gonna ask if you have any hobbies outside
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: of like.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 7: The football I love so I loved bow Hunt.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 2: Really, that's my favorite thing.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 7: I get a little you. Oh you guys are out there.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: With Yeah, dude, he's a real man too, they have
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 1: you out there, and you know.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 7: I love That's that's another reason I want to coach.
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 7: I love the bow hunt. Yeah, white tail, elk, anything
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 7: with the bow that's like my jam. You.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming you go out there to Montana.
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 7: So yeah, I love to hunt elk in Montana. And
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 7: then New Mexico's a really good state too.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying since we're on the airways right now,
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 1: Garrett cal Rinella, whoever's listening for meat.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 7: Eater, Yeah, get your get I got a great concept.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 7: There's I hope he has had fun.
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 2: There's so much fun.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they missed, but it was a blast.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but she's part of But you pulled the trigger.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: I did a lot of guys would stiffen up and
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 2: even pull that trigger.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 7: Okay, so you did something that at the moment, you
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 7: showed up.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 2: I know. And it's fun too because Will and I
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 2: we don't. I look in your eyes and you talk
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 2: about bow hunting and I just don't. I don't have that.
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: But to go out with them and then like work
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 2: us through like long range rifle streaming. I went and
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 2: sat down and I went one for five on my
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: first five shots, and I was like, this is going
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 2: to be the longest couple of days of my life.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: But then Garrett starts sitting there working with me, and
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 2: he's like try this is and this He's lining me up.
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 2: They're great coaches. They don't make you feel stupid even
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 2: though they're like such bigger, better men than you are.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: It's just awesome, man.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 7: It's like those these animals live in beautiful areas. Yeah,
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 7: you go hunt ELK, You're gonna be somewhere sweet. Yeah,
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 7: the mountains. The weather's beautiful, it's in the fall, and
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  Speaker 7: it's just that's like my favorite time of year. And
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 7: they go do that stuff. It's just sweet.
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  Speaker 1: What's been your longest like el hunt to where you're
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 1: tracking it down?
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  Speaker 2: We did so climbing mountains.
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  Speaker 7: Now usually we hunt out of like an outfitter, and
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  Speaker 7: it's usually I haven't done like the full like nine miles,
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 7: ten miles in on a horse and then you set
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 7: up spike camp. I haven't done that.
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  Speaker 2: I like that.
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  Speaker 7: I'm gonna wake up. I'm gonna wake up early in
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 7: the morning. I'm gonna be out all day and then.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm gonna come home. Yes, is there do
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  Speaker 2: we have.
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  Speaker 7: That you don't have to read that, you can just
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 7: read them.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, perfect.
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  Speaker 1: We do have a bud like question for Okay, people
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  Speaker 1: would do anything for a bud light. What would you
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 1: do anything for?
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  Speaker 7: Oh? My probably my parents, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that's about wholesome.
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  Speaker 7: Like you think about your parents and like what your
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 7: parents have done for you, everything from growing up to
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 7: high school to college. At all my games in college,
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 7: it came to down to Carolina, it's like your parents.
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  Speaker 7: My parents were fantastic. They set you up for everything.
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 7: Everything was about my brothers and I and so, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: you do anything for him, they do anything for you, You
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 7: do anything for them.
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  Speaker 2: I love the short answers.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's a good heart, awesome, beautiful my parents.
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  Speaker 2: You have how many brothers? Yeah? I got two brothers.
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  Speaker 7: So there's a picture order brothers on the right. That's John,
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  Speaker 7: he lives in Cincinnati. There's my dad, my mom, and
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 7: then my younger brother Henry.
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  Speaker 2: Were they some dogs.
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  Speaker 7: John played football and lacrosse through high school and then
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 7: Henry was a basketball player.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, I love that.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah do you?
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sure who's that that profile that has the Luke
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: video where he's going where he's going.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: Who's next? Oh that somebody said that is awesome. That guy,
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 2: that guy, Who's next Danny or something like that. He's
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: all time. That guy's hilarious. Yeah, he is. Paul.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 1: Anything that we've missed, we do have Paul Swans sending
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 1: in the back with the boys right now grinding it out.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 1: Paul was very pivotal in getting the boys in a
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 1: Creatine and an Intangibles group chat with Luke and myself.
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  Speaker 9: We got creating on the bus right now. Can we
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 9: can we take house have some of my suitcase. We
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 9: can take them later on when we get done here.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: Put up.
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 9: It's something going boys, not the real creatam Yeah.
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 2: Anything that I've missed with Luke.
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 9: I mean, this is this is the all American man
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 9: right here. And that answer right there, I mean that's
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 9: just that's gold the parents.
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 9: So I actually just got done here and him talk
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 9: about most of this when we were talking to Coach
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 9: Lee over at Vanderbilt.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: So he's been talking about it a lot, just diving in.
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's breaking down all the players too. How to
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 1: watch film, how to break down film.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 7: I'll tell you what that the diego Pavia, He's got it.
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like itvage. What do you love about him?
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 7: He's like he walks into a room and he's the
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 7: dude without trying to be the dude. And he can
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 7: talk to everybody. He can talk to offensive coaches, defensive coaches.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 7: He understands. He's got great His football IQ is great,
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 7: ultra competitive. He's just he's that dude, like he's got it.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 2: I love you know what I'm saying.
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 1: You can tell Luke's got his uh his pro scouting
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: background too, so he can like talk about these.
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 7: Snap Yeah, if guys come talk to him, they'll be like,
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 7: we need to find a way to get this guy
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 7: around us.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he is. He is electric.
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 7: He's a football dude, football guy.
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: He just loves ball.
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 7: He loves the game.
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 2: He embraces it. It's that's all.
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 7: He knows all about football. And you know, those guys
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 7: hard to come by. You know you still I.
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 2: Was gonna say, did CM have it when he first came.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, that dude was born with it.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 2: That he is.
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 7: Talk about a guy that loves football and all he
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 7: wants to do is just be a good teammate, play hard.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 7: Christian the O g incredible White.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's another Hall of Fame, all the first ballot
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. You talk about a guy. I had
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: a tough photo for c MC though. I mean he's
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 2: a built cat.
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 7: That is a bad angle. But yeah, I'm so excited
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 7: for him this year. Come back, rip you going to
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 7: be a daddy too, Yes, shout out dad.
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 2: Have a great year.
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 9: So i'd be I'd be remiss to say, you know,
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 9: listening to Luke his art, listening to his football knowledge,
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 9: but your ball knowledge is it's phenomenal.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: I appreciate.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 1: I gotta say I do probably myself on some I
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 1: Q some good. You might not think I played in
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 1: the league a long time, but from I was the neck.
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 7: You mean you thinn nine years.
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 1: I was there for the tenth year. But you know
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 1: the league get a credited season, No, because I had
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 1: a gambling show so they wouldn't let me play.
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 2: Look, did you ever come across Will Compton film at linebacker?
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: Never take anything from his game? Yeah?
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 7: Absolutely? Yeah, for toughness, instincts, try hard, try hard collar guy.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's it's those plays you break down? I don't
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 2: know that's that's that's that shirt you have on.
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's uh like hearing you two talk about
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 1: plays happening that you don't necessarily make, like being mugged
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 1: up in the eight gaps. They got you in a bunch,
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: they're checking Tulsa, putting you in a toss situation, any
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 1: type of situational ball awareness.
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 2: It's uh, it's music to my ears.
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we'll get you.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it. We'll get you that year ten.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 9: If you want to come pit some race cars.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: That seems like a different life too, So I have
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 1: to be just you can do it.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 2: I think you can do it.
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 6: Let me play.
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they'll let you play.
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 1: I was down there to sign and rip there to
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 1: sign and contract can't go through because they're like, let's.
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 2: Hold up the NFL. Goodell shut it down. Yeah, Goodell
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 2: shut it down.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 9: Dang, when's good when's Goodell gonna come on the bus?
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know he's got an open invite, does he?
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 2: He can come?
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 7: Apologize the will for Yeah, scrapping your ten. You had
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 7: a good You had a good number two.
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 2: Five to one. It's a great white linebacker.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 7: That's Sam Mill's number. That number wasn't available.
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 2: You see that pig right there.
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 1: Keller Moore seventeen covered we'll covered you in. We were
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 1: in Tampa there and we had somebody dropping low hole
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 1: because we knew he was going to try to work
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 1: witting over the middle. Keller Moore airmails it right the
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 1: bread basket.
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 7: But hey, you know what you had the hardest thing
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 7: about the interception is gotta catch it, buddy.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 1: That was that was my first one. And when that
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 1: ball was in the air, it's something I can make
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 1: the play on it. I was like, you better fucking
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 1: catch it. I kind of just put the hands out
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 1: there too, and was just so high.
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 2: Glo gloves, sticky gloves or those offensive line gloves. What's
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 2: up those gloves you're wearing right there? Those stickies, Yeah,
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 2: you don't wear We don't wear offensive and you never know.
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 1: I can never get on board with the Keekley risk
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 1: with the wrist braces though.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: Risks were money. Were you a risk taper?
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 1: It's a little swag here, Yeah, it's a little bit
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 1: you brought up Jonathan Stewart or earlier too. I did
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 1: put him on skates in our game. Why it's late game.
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 1: We were getting put him on skates. Oh I murdered
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 1: him coming through the a gap. Yeah, I put him
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 1: on skates, joked him out, put him on skates, like,
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 1: put him in the air, put his late in the game.
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 1: We were getting our backs blown out by the Panthers.
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 1: But your boy, we're still playing for pride at the
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: end of.
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 2: The day when you go out there, yeah, yeah.
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the heart was black in that play, ran right
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 1: through the B gap, right through the gap and just murdered.
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 9: You gonna want to rematch after listening to this, I
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 9: know you don't want.
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 2: To line up.
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 1: I don't got it anymore, but find that clip.
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 2: I will show you.
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 7: Guys, I'm sure we got.
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 1: Oh but this Hey, look, this has been awesome having
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 1: me on.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: Thing a long time coming up. This is big for
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 2: wal Cup. It's for myself as well. Love to see
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 2: you two together.
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 1: It's great to get a Hall of Fame white linebacker.
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: Just we've had our dude.
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 2: Would love to get Ray. He's got just pross out.
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, just the linebacker appreciation that we
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 1: have on this bus.
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 2: You gotta get on here. There's no better position.
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've had Fred Warner on that dude, du monster, Yes,
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 1: you should get quon pro monster. Who are some of
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 1: the guys right now? You just named a couple.
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 2: Roquan Fred Warner, ah Man, you got me. Levante is
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 2: still doing it.
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 7: Spot here and Mario Davis has been doing it a
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 7: long time.
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 1: Zach Bond and him going to from transition from on
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 1: the ball to off the ball. I feel like it
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: is a is a heady transitions for for Zack.
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 7: Bad You know who?
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 2: I like?
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 7: Nick Bolton?
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, bro, he just resigned with the Chiefs, So I
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 1: like splain just to Bobby Gap he just signed with.
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 2: He's a brave guy. Rabes guy would love bottles. Oh yeah,
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 2: we could explain for sure. His his third and one
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 2: stop on Derrick Henry twenty twenty on the goal line
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 2: put him on the map.
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 9: How about Cooper de Jeans stick on Henry?
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 7: Wow?
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Great?
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 6: Four?
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 2: It was it was, It was nice textbook. I would
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 2: produce some corners. Are you if you go anywhere else
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 2: besides Boston College? If you if this is all going
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 2: to end the same exact way, you couldn't go to
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 2: Boston College, Where would you go?
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 7: Probably probably big school?
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which one would that be?
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 7: I don't know, you know, would have been fun nor?
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm not I might say Michigan I'm not
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 7: going to say a high state. Those are the two
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 7: easy ones. I feel like playing playing linebacker at Penn
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 7: State with like a like a sick the sick like Cowboys.
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 1: Yeahs sticking out.
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, be plause Leslie LeVar Arrington and the Parsons. They
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 7: got the kid now, Abdul Carter.
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah they had some freaks there. Yeah, you could have
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 2: wore black shirt? Yeah is that? How is that helmet?
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: The game? News back there? No? Is that Nebraska? Nice one.
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 1: Bras just wraps the classic, the classic game. Luke knows
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 1: we stopped the mudhole in the ass for what was it, the.
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 2: Stripe Bowl? Stripe Bowl.
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 7: He's waited the whole podcast to say, yeah, just wait bowl.
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 2: And he tried to pretend like he didn't know the
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 2: name of it. They said that they put that on
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 2: the board up there.
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I waited to uh, I waited till we
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 1: were up to hit the group chat to talk ship.
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's all right.
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 2: Well, you like Bill O'Brien like him a lot. Yeah,
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 2: A big fan of him.
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 7: Just he is Boston College football, tough, physical run of football.
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 7: He's greatly He did a great job last year. I'm
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 7: excited for for this year for him, so.
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 1: All right, okay, well yeah I see we got another
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 1: standing round of applause for hats all.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 7: Hell yeah, thanks, thanks for turning to Eric, and yeah
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 7: we're waiting for