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173. [Texas] Valentine's Day Murder · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Everyone welcome, bless it's missing if your grand podcast. I
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  Speaker 1: don't care, here was says do right, We're back. We're tired.
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  Speaker 1: I'm tired. I don't want to hear about Stuart. Literally,
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  Speaker 1: you cannot plain complain about anything right now.
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  Speaker 2: I can complain about you complaining.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care about your plight. I don't care about
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  Speaker 1: anything wrong with you. I don't care because whatever.
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  Speaker 2: You're feeling, it is obvious. You didn't care that I
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  Speaker 2: was sick. You didn't care that I almost died.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't care. I have no sympathies love for
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  Speaker 1: Stu at this point in my life, so you never had,
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  Speaker 1: I know, but the little bit I had is gone.
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  Speaker 2: The most sympathy I ever saw was when I got
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  Speaker 2: in that car wreck and you were upset about that. No, Stuart,
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  Speaker 2: that was twenty five years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I am old and pregnant and like about to
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  Speaker 1: have another baby. Nothing that you're going through is, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be that person compared to what I'm
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  Speaker 1: going through right now. I've been uncomfortable for quite some time,
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  Speaker 1: have you now? Yes? Anyways, we are back now. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just going to preface this. Listen, we can blame it
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  Speaker 1: on the fact that I'm pregnant and old or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna so, so, yes, this episode is late
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  Speaker 1: going out this week. However, I was like, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to do a Valentine's Day because it's Valentine's Day.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'll do a Valentine's case. So I went,
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  Speaker 1: I wrote a case, did.
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  Speaker 2: All this stuff I saw you, and about.
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  Speaker 1: The last three minutes of the like I was right
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  Speaker 1: in the case. Last three minutes, I was like, man,
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  Speaker 1: something about this the case didn't seem familiar, but the name, like,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't seem familiar when I started. But then and
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  Speaker 1: normally I like make sure because like I understand, we
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  Speaker 1: should remember everything that we've recorded, but we don't. It's
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  Speaker 1: a lot. We're like at one hundred and seventy something
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  Speaker 1: episodes at this point and it's been eight years. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like Carla, Carla Walker, and I'm like, oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: So I wrote the whole entire episode for us to record,
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  Speaker 1: and I went and searched my my like files and
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  Speaker 1: we did this episode. We did this case two years,
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  Speaker 1: two and a half years or two years ago. So
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  Speaker 1: Stude's like, are you gonna write another one, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, no, we're just gonna So we're gonna retell
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  Speaker 1: this one. But don't worry. It's brand new because I
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  Speaker 1: did rewrite it, so maybe you don't remember it either,
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  Speaker 1: and we can do it again.
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  Speaker 2: Anybody that's new to the show, they've never heard it before.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you've may never heard it before. So we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: do this Valentine's Day episode out of Texas anyways, real quickly.
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  Speaker 1: And then we have Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, I do true
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  Speaker 1: crime recommendation. So right now I've been given some Valentine's
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  Speaker 1: Day episodes you can watch if you want to get
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  Speaker 1: in the mood, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Like stabbin or stabbin love each other.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's nothing like a murder to really tell
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  Speaker 1: the story of our love. Anyways, So I have those
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  Speaker 2: Listen Jojo talking to you.
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  Speaker 1: They actually got offended. I asked just for five stars, yes,
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  Speaker 1: like I really don't need you listening to this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: only as.
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  Speaker 2: And then you made it past that that point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, turn back now. Okay if you think that's like
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous and like, oh I can't tell dare she ask
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  Speaker 1: that it just stop. I need you to pause. We'll
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  Speaker 1: wait for you to leave the room because you're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna like this. Okay, it's it's not for you anyways.
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  Speaker 1: We don't take ourselves too seriously here. We you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's dark. It's a dark subject, but you gotta
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  Speaker 1: find somewhere. There's always something. You can always find something
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  Speaker 1: funny in it. Anyway. So that's what's going on. And
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  Speaker 1: then i'm we have the baby update is we have
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  Speaker 1: no name, no hospital bag packed. I haven't registered at
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  Speaker 1: the hospital. We haven't pulled out any of the newborn clothes.
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  Speaker 1: We only got newborn diapers because someone at work had
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  Speaker 1: a much extra and.
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  Speaker 2: Gave them to me because they had twins.
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  Speaker 1: Because they had twins.
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  Speaker 2: So I might be running down to Walmart today. I
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  Speaker 2: have to get a pool and we'll just do all
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  Speaker 2: us here at the house.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, that was That's My other problem is that
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  Speaker 1: I would love to have an epidural. I would love
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  Speaker 1: to have an epidural that works, but the last two
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  Speaker 1: times they failed, so I'm now in the precarious position
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  Speaker 1: to decide if I should try another again. But it's
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  Speaker 1: very unsettling having someone jam a giant needle in your spine,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and there's always risk with that, especially we're
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  Speaker 1: out here with this, like it's like, yeah, medical community
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  Speaker 1: on your I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: If possibly some blood lettings.
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  Speaker 1: Like jamming and needle in my spine. So anyway, so
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  Speaker 1: I gotta figure that out too. I gotta figure out
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  Speaker 1: what's going on anyway. So that's the update, if anybody cares.
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  Speaker 1: And then we have children that are not cooperating with
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  Speaker 1: quiet times, so we're short on time. So we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and get into this week's episode out of
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  Speaker 1: Fort Worth. If you remember this, pretend you don't and
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  Speaker 1: just enjoy, okay it's or a Valentine's.
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  Speaker 2: Episode, or bailout now yeah, or.
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  Speaker 1: Just be like nevermind. And I didn't even go back
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  Speaker 1: and listen to the other episode we're recorded, because I
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  Speaker 1: can't do that to myself. We can't. I can't listen
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  Speaker 1: to our episodes, like it's too much for me.
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  Speaker 2: And you want another people to listen to them.
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  Speaker 1: Doory, you can't listen to yourself that. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how I'd just been like every time I say anything,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, you're the dumbest person on
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  Speaker 1: the face of the planet, which some people in the
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  Speaker 1: reviews Jojoe. Yeah. Anyway, So let's go into this case,
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  Speaker 1: all right. Carla Walker was a seventeen year old girl
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  Speaker 1: growing up in Fort Worth, Texas. She attended Western Hills
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  Speaker 1: High School and was a cheerleader. Now her boyfriend, Rodney McCoy,
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  Speaker 1: he was a senior and he was the high school quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: So like, this is the all American you're yawning.
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  Speaker 2: Not into the microphone, but you're yawning.
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  Speaker 1: You have no right to yawn.
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  Speaker 2: I'm tired of listening to you complain.
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  Speaker 1: Shut up, Stewart. I'm so annoyed by you right now.
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  Speaker 1: Like I told him the other day, I said, I said,
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  Speaker 1: I've just been really snappy with him, but he's like
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  Speaker 1: the only acceptable person I'm allowed to be mean to
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  Speaker 1: at this point in time, So.
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  Speaker 2: I expect my every rewards.
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  Speaker 1: Doubt him annoys me.
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  Speaker 2: I expect my rewards here in a couple months.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway. So she's a junior cheerleader. She's dating the quarterback
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  Speaker 1: of the high school.
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  Speaker 2: Like Friday night lights.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, things are like they're like the you know, the
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  Speaker 1: all American teenage couple. Now, fort Worth at the time
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  Speaker 1: was relatively safe place. I think it's safe now. It's
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  Speaker 1: safer than Dallas, but it's a bigger city now. But
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  Speaker 1: this was back in nineteen seventy four, so they lived
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  Speaker 1: in a safe neighborhood. Nothing really dangerous happened. I mean
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  Speaker 1: they weren't worried about their kids, their teenagers running around
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  Speaker 1: town atn'tight.
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  Speaker 2: Not a bunch of stranger danger going on. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, on Saturday, February sixteenth, nineteen seventy four, Carla was
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  Speaker 1: attending the high school Valentine's Day dance with her boyfriend Rodney.
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  Speaker 1: So they head out. They make it to the high
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  Speaker 1: school dance around nine thirty pm that night. They attend.
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  Speaker 1: They danced for a little bit. That's a lafe for
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  Speaker 1: a party. No, right, Like maybe it started earlier and
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  Speaker 1: they were just too cool to show up on time.
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  Speaker 1: Of course they were. They're the cheerleader in the quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: They got a link late arrival.
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  Speaker 2: They might have been in the car before they got there.
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  Speaker 1: They will be getting in the car here in a minute.
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  Speaker 1: So uh. Anyways, they show up at nine thirty. They
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  Speaker 1: dance for a little bit and then they decide to
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  Speaker 1: head out with some friends and they go cruise in
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  Speaker 1: the streets too.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hm, which done that?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Which is calming? Back then, I did, well, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't really do it that much, but we had a
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  Speaker 1: There was definitely cruise in Timberland Drive.
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  Speaker 2: Had you a strip somewhere that you cruised and.
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  Speaker 1: You turned around in the sonic parking lot. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: do it that often. It wasn't really my thing, but
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  Speaker 1: we definitely did have a cruising strip. So I guess
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  Speaker 1: kids do that today. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: They let's sit on our computers and sit on their
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  Speaker 2: iPads and do god knows what.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, so they go cruising with these friends of theirs,
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  Speaker 1: but the friends had an eleven thirty pm curfew that night,
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  Speaker 1: so they go with them. They drop off the friends
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  Speaker 1: and then they head off, or they had drop off
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  Speaker 1: their friends at their house, and then Rodney and Carla
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  Speaker 1: they decide they want to continue driving around, and they're
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  Speaker 1: also hungry, so they stop at Taco Bell.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Taco Bell been around for decades, and I just.
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  Speaker 1: Thought, I know this is a murderer. I understand that.
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  Speaker 1: But they ate the Taco Bell and then after eating,
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  Speaker 1: Karla needed to use the restroom.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, and that what happened?
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  Speaker 1: Yet, Yes, I don't think i'd ever eat Taco Bell
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  Speaker 1: on a date night or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Now, No, you gotta wait till you're married for that.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be pretty sure you're going home alone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, so she needs to use the restroom, so
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  Speaker 1: they stop by the local owling alley. She runs in,
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  Speaker 1: she goes to the bathroom, and then she comes back
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  Speaker 1: out to the car. So instead of heading home though,
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  Speaker 1: there are a young young couple.
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  Speaker 2: Young.
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  Speaker 1: Couple necking in the in their vehicle whatever. Anyway, so
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  Speaker 1: suddenly while they're doing this the car, the door opens
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  Speaker 1: on Carla's side and she almost like falls out of
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle because it just I guess her head was
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  Speaker 1: leaning on the door and she almost falls out of
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle. That's what a man. He pulls out a gun.
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  Speaker 1: He points it at Rodney. He actually pulls the trigger.
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  Speaker 2: However, i'd make you crap your pants bell.
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  Speaker 1: However, it does not go off. Now since it didn't
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  Speaker 1: go off, the man, I guess like panicked. He starts
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  Speaker 1: beating Rodney over the head, and that is the last
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  Speaker 1: thing Rodney remembers is getting hit, and then him hearing
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  Speaker 1: Carla say just stop beating him and I'll go with you.
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  Speaker 2: When Rodney comes too, he realizes that Carla is gone,
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  Speaker 2: and he immediately drives to Carla's family's home, which is
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  Speaker 2: about a three minute drive away, to let them know
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  Speaker 2: what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Because remember this is nineteen seventy four. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what he's going to use to call.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure there's a national man. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: one at this time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's probably not. I think you had that
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  Speaker 1: same coin I had this conversation. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: until like.
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  Speaker 2: The eighties, and then we had to look it up.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm not going to look it up again. Just
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  Speaker 1: keep going.
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  Speaker 2: You're not no, Are you sure?
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  Speaker 1: I might while you're reading.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So he arrives at her home. He's covered in blood.
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  Speaker 2: He's clearly been beaten and the family isn't shot. They
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  Speaker 2: call police and Carla's father grabbed his gun. He heads
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  Speaker 2: down to the bowling out of that bowling alley to
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  Speaker 2: see what he could find. They searched the bowling Alley area,
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  Speaker 2: no sign of Carla. The only evidence recovered in the
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  Speaker 2: parking lot were Carler's purse as well as a magazine
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  Speaker 2: from the gun that was used. The magazine told police
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  Speaker 2: what type of gun it was, which was a Ruger
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  Speaker 2: twenty two model. What do you think of the name
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  Speaker 2: of the child? Ruger?
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  Speaker 1: No, what is wrong with you? God? Nine one one
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  Speaker 1: started had the first call in nineteen sixty eight in Hayleyville, Alabama.
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  Speaker 1: How it was not widely adopted until the or half
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  Speaker 1: of the country was by nineteen eighty seven. It wasnt
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  Speaker 1: until nineteen ninety nine that Congress passed legislation to make
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  Speaker 1: nine on one the universal emergency number.
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  Speaker 2: I did not realize it was that, Like, well.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess people are using it, but nine
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  Speaker 1: on one didn't become the official number. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: he wouldn't have had any He wouldn't have he was
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  Speaker 1: like a young kid. He wouldn't have known what to do.
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  Speaker 1: But to be like, oh, I need to drive home, I.
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  Speaker 2: Need to drive this pephone and called nine one one
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  Speaker 2: with the bowl and ellen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's why he went to.
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  Speaker 2: The parents' house to where the adults were.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the dad, of course, being in Texas
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  Speaker 1: in the seventies, he just like, oh, grab my gun,
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  Speaker 1: take care of this, get me Carlyly back.
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  Speaker 2: So they get down there.
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  Speaker 1: And they do what's do.
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  Speaker 2: They find this magazine land on the which they assumed
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  Speaker 2: was from whenever the suspect was hitting Rodney in the
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  Speaker 2: head with the gun, must accidentally press the button release
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  Speaker 2: the magazine from the gun, and that's why it was there,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm sure he didn't plan on the leaving evidence
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  Speaker 2: at the scene. Basically, other than that, there's nothing really
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  Speaker 2: else to go on. She was just simply gone quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Multiple law enforcement agencies were on the hunt to find her,
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  Speaker 2: as it was clear she was in extreme danger. There
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  Speaker 2: were also concerns because almost a year to the day
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  Speaker 2: before this, a twenty one year old by the name
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  Speaker 2: of Becky Martin had gone missing, and a few months
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  Speaker 2: after she had gone missing, they found her body in
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  Speaker 2: a colvert with the similar age and the similar abduction style.
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  Speaker 2: Authorities are concerned that they might have a serial killer
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  Speaker 2: on their hands. Since the abductions were similar, they thought possibly,
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  Speaker 2: if they are connected, Carla could possibly be in one
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  Speaker 2: of these culverts somewhere. So investigators began driving up and
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  Speaker 2: down the road. They're checking every culvert they passed wherever.
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  Speaker 2: They came upon one on ben Brook Lane. Now, this
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  Speaker 2: was four days after Karla went missing when they came
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  Speaker 2: across her body in that culvert.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean it was they still never well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about it, but there's never they just they
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  Speaker 1: were just it was kind of lucky that they remembered
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  Speaker 1: that case and to even go look. Otherwise it could
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  Speaker 1: have been even longer before they found her body. But
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  Speaker 1: they had kind of narrowed it down to maybe possibly
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  Speaker 1: that being the likelihood of it being there.
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  Speaker 2: The same person did it, and yeah, would dispose of
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  Speaker 2: the body.
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  Speaker 1: Other than similar things the Becky girl the year before
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  Speaker 1: was taken from her car and things like that. Other
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  Speaker 1: than that, there's not really they don't have anything else
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  Speaker 1: to go on. They're not technology is not there to
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  Speaker 1: have because they.
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  Speaker 2: Did not catch the person that abducted Becky either.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so an autopsy was for formed on Carla
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  Speaker 1: and they did confirm that she had been kept alive
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  Speaker 1: for about two days. Now. During this two day time frame,
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  Speaker 1: they believed she had been tortured and raped multiple times
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  Speaker 1: until she was finally strangled to death. So this was
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  Speaker 1: like really horrific what this person did to her. They
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  Speaker 1: also performed a toxicology report on her and they did
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  Speaker 1: find that she had been injected with morphine during the
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  Speaker 1: time for capture, maybe because she was in so much
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  Speaker 1: pain and he wanted the killer wanted to keep her,
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  Speaker 1: you know, alive or screaming, and so was injecting her
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  Speaker 1: with morphine. They were able to recover bodily fluids as
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  Speaker 1: well as preserve her clothing. However, there's not much back
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  Speaker 1: then that they could do in terms of testing, so
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  Speaker 1: all they had really to go on is like, let's
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  Speaker 1: just save this stuff as best we can and hopefully
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  Speaker 1: sometime in the future something changes. Now, the only thing
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  Speaker 1: that the investigators had to go on for a description
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  Speaker 1: of the killer was what Rodney saw, but due to
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  Speaker 1: him being beaten pretty severe, he couldn't really give that
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  Speaker 1: grade of a description. He just saw the man like
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  Speaker 1: briefly and then that he would start. He was hit
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  Speaker 1: over the head multiple times, so it wasn't a great description. Now,
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  Speaker 1: they set up surveillance at Carla's funeral and took pictures
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  Speaker 1: of everyone who attended to try to see if they
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  Speaker 1: could like gauge a reaction. They made sure that everyone
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  Speaker 1: that came in had to pass by her casket just
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  Speaker 1: to see if anybody was took an extra interest or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. Now, the boyfriend Rodney, he is the
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  Speaker 1: quarterback of the football team, so not many people really
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  Speaker 1: felt that he was capable of this. He was even
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  Speaker 1: though he was a quarterback of the football team. He
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like a jackass. He was like a quiet kid.
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  Speaker 1: He was very upset about Carla while she was missing.
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  Speaker 1: He actually stayed at He was very close to her family.
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  Speaker 1: He actually stayed at her house and slept in her room.
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  Speaker 1: Like why he was there were looking for her those
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  Speaker 1: four days or whatever. So he was very distraught over this,
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  Speaker 1: and he clearly had been attacked, like that was very clear.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so most people didn't think in the town
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: that he would do this or he was responsible. However,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: he was the main focus for police. They were like
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: he was there, He's the last one to see her.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: He could be he's got he's the boyfriend, you know,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: it's always the husband or the boyfriend, which is normally anyway,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: So but why he would it doesn't make sense. After
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: they found her body, they the police just had nothing
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: else to focus on, so they focused on Rodney because
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: after we've had her body, where's he where's he keeping
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: if they know she was alive for two days, where's
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: he keeping her?
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Whenever he was staying with Yeah, where's.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: This eighteen year old boy keeping his girlfriend.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: While he's beating and raping her?
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, morphing into her.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: And somehow staying at the parents' house in her bedroom.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: So it was completely ridiculous for the police to focus
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: in on him, but they just didn't have anything else
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: to go on, so that's what they did. He did
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: agree to take polygraph test and he passed multiple times.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Eventually he was cleared as a suspect because again, it
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: just clearly wasn't him. But it took a toll on
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: him and as soon as he graduate, he like, he
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: skipped down. He's like, I got to get out here.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: This is just too much. The case quickly went cold
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: after that. They just didn't have enough evidence to go
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: on or any type of useful leads coming in. No
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: tips from anybody. They did receive a few of those,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: like letters, people saying oh, I know information or I'm responsible.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's I'm sure it's common now,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: but I feel like it was really calm back then
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: for people to write in letters and put themselves in
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: these Yeah. With that, I don't know. I don't know
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: if it happens that much today.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Who's just like, oh, I want to
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: get involved in this, Yeah, bring suspicion upon myself.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's the same people that are trolls and
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: comments sections on social media these days are the same
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: people that used to do this back then. I equate
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: them to be made similar people. Yes, people that are
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: just in the comet section just saying like stuff.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Like trolls, Well, they're just there to pissed people off.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, There's something wrong with someone who takes the time
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: on social media to comment on something that has nothing
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: to do with you just to get a rial out
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: of people. There's something wrong with someone like that.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember that guy. What was that guy's name?
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: What guy?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Whenever we're trying to find a hotel in Paris.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So we had the guy like there's he
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: he like really hated that we were bringing children to you.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Guy. I was like, hey, I need to find a
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: family friendly hotel and the guy's like, hey, maybe you
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: shouldn't go take your children to Paris. It's like what he.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Said, he's he said Stu was a bad father.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I'm a bad parent.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: And then another lady like latched onto it too. Yes,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: it was like the most bizarre thing that we were
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: basically equated. He basically equated us to like child abuse
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: for bringing our children to your because he he likes
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: going I don't know, he likes to go to Paris
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and he didn't want to see he doesn't want to
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: see children in Paris. And fast time I checked, Europe
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: did have children like that. Oh people are fucking weird.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: So I'm assuming someone like him would be the one
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: writing in yes. And this was the old fashioned way
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: of doing that. However, none of those letters really led
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to anything. Now the only thing they did have to
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: go on was that gun. And like I said, it's
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: it was like a unique gun. It wasn't that super
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: of a popular gun. Back then. So they get a
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: list of everybody who has that gun. They go and
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: interview people, and they had a bunch of people take
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: polygraph tests and they would mark them off the suspects
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: suspect list if they passed the polygraph, which we all
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: know today is not much.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Is not axcycle path you can pass on raph.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: And so one of the suspects in particular was a
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: man who said that he had his gun stolen about
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: six weeks prior out of his truck, but he was
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: going to replace it, and so he took a polygraph
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and he passed, and so he's marked off the list.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And so now they've got literally nothing to go on.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: They've gone through the list of all the I think
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: they had a list of about eighty plus people that
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: they went through with the guns and stuff, and they
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: all crossed them all off the list back in the seventies.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Now, as they did all this, all of a sudden,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the case goes cold, and it goes cold for decades.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: It's not all of a sudden. Do we've been talking
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: about how the case was going cold. Okay, it didn't
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: suddenly go cold.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: All the suddens do snapped While we're recording a podcast.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: No I'm going to snap.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: No, I'm going to snap first. No you're not, Stewart,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't do that.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I'm the only person that's snapping in this house today.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, snappy snapping. The case went cold for decades upon decades,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: all the way up until twenty nineteen when a new
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: detective decided to reopen the case based on the fact
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: that we have new technology and that they had all
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: this evidence preserved. The investigator started with that suspect that
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: they had cleared people based on just their polygraph exam,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: and he started out with the eighty plus suspects again.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: They also went and pulled all the evidence that had
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: been preserved, including her dress, her underwear, her bra, to
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: see if they could pull any usable DNA samples off
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: those items. On the dress, specifically, they were able to
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: find a semen sample and it did not belong to Rodney,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: and so that was one of the main items they
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: focused on to try and get the DNA profile. The
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: lab was able to pull DNA sample that could go
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: into the CODA system. However, when they ran it through,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: there was nothing that was a match. The lab that
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: did run the DNA sample was out of California, and
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: they did try to run it through the Genealogical DNA database. However,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: they were unable to complete that profile because they didn't
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: really have a big enough DNA sample. So at this
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: point the investigators were at a loss as to what
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: to do. Without a hitting codis, they were not able
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: to proceed.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me explain this in a non scientific way.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: What my basic understanding was from this. This is again
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the DNA profiling. So they had enough to get the coat.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: The sample that needs to go in code is to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: try to get some matches up. That's like your let's
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: just go, let's just call that your basic bitch DNA profile.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, but you got to have an exact match to that.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Well, uh yeah, I think you have to have. I
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: don't know how that works, but that's like your basic,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: run of the mill DNA profile. Probably any lab that
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: does DNA. If someone's out there that does DNA stuff,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: probably not listeners because we're they probably are too smart
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: for us, but they can run to get everybody else
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: that listens to US's dummies. Imagine that's like your base
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Shut upst no, that's imagine the DNA sample for codis
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: is a vanilla cupcake. Okay, so any lab could just
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: bake up that vanilla cupcake if they have enough thing
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to like do it. However, if you want like a
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: chiffon icing with a chocolate ganache, which would be equivalent
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to your genealogical DNA profile where you're just have bits
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: where you can go and match it to random ask
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: people out in the universe, you need a special lab,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: like with the really high technology, which is that's how
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: DNA technology has progressed. You know, we could always get
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the basic DNA for code is here for a long time.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But now in the last ten years they've with that
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Golden State killer, they've moved and be able to do
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: this genealogical profiling or whatever. And if you do anything
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: with this, you probably are like, wow, you're an.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Idiot, but you totally but with the whole process.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: But you know what, just have a cupcake.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: It's fine, Okay, chocolate cupcake and everything.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's what that's my example. Okay, they could
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: only get the vanilla cupcake. They need the they need
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the seven layer the auntilly cake, and they don't have
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: a bake or yet that can do this. They have
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the ingredients, but they need the baker who can produce
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: this specialty cake. Now, during this time, like I just mentioned,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the Golden State killer case was being solved through genetic
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: genealogy and one of the main figures, if some of
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you recall his name was Paul Holes. Now Paul, because
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: he was a big person in the Golden State Killer case,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: he got himself a show on the Oxygen Network, I believe.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: And so someone in the Fort Worth like police department
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: or someone that was working this new Paul. So they
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: contacted Paul and they like shared the story and said, hey,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: this would I feel like we could really solve this
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: if we had someone who could do the genetic genealogy
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: on this. And so Paul was like really, He's like, Okay,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: we can do this. He said, I think I have
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: a lab. The lab was called orthrom and I think
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: actually I read that the Oxygen Network actually paid to
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: have this done. So I don't know if they did
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: it show wanted I didn't look.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Probably big big new, big money, big ratings if they could.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, solve this cold case from a long time ago.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's true or not that
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I read that somewhere. So maybe Oxygen did a maybe
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the poll holes did an episode with this.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know, well, Paul or Oxygen channel, if you're listening,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: give us a call.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: It's a call if you want to.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess if you want us to plug your.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Shows, if you want us to be on your show
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and talk about how the regular basic bitch DNAs vanilla cookcain.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: We will give you our expertise.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: So anyway, so he contacts this lab called Orthrom. Now,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the issue is they had very little DNA left to
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: like test run this test. And the problem is whenever
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: you test DNA, you destroy the sample like there's no
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you can't just be like here it's back, no, no whatever.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: So orthurm was has to be really cautious about what
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: cases they take because they do not want if you
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: don't have a lot, they don't want to waste your
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: last DNA sample and then be like we can't do
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: anything and then all you're stuck with is your regular
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: one that was in codis that didn't match anybody. So anyway,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: so the Orthron people they look into it. They were
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: really they looked at like they were told all about
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the case had access to the crime scene photos and everything,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: and it was really like because of the state that
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Carla's body was in, they were like, we can make
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: this happen. We will get this done.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: The lab does run the sample and they were able
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: to get a good sequence where they were able to
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: send it out to try and determine what family lineage
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: might be connected to this DNA sample. They were using
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the public records and the public DNA databases and they
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: were able to narrow it down to a family.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I think they had like an age range. So they
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: were based on probably Rodney's description, So they were looking
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: at a specific age range for someone who lived in
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: that Fortworth area at the time. And so they found
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: this family that they believed had the DNA had someone
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: that would have been similar in that age group that
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: they were looking for and was in the Fort Worth
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: area at that time.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they call up the investigator. The investigator is
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: given the name mccurly. Normally they take the name and
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: then they have to do some additional digging.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That normally everything I've ever heard, like the gold Gular,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that guy was never on the list of suspect lists.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: But this guy, now they said that the guy is
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: on my suspect list from back in nineteen seventy four.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had known the investigator was so involved as
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: he'd like basically.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Memorized, memorized.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: He even knew who it was. He's like, I think
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: that's suspect number twenty two, and.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, the man's name was Glenn Samuel McCurley Junior.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: And this happened to be the man that was interviewed
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: that had lost or had his gun stolen, and he
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: was kind of had this suspicious story, but he had
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: taken the polygraph and back then they were like, well
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: he passed, so he's the one. He probably did lose
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: it or have it stocked.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: He's literally the only one that had a gun missing
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: or like couldn't provide the gun and the magazines and everything.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: He was the only one because he said had been stolen.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: So but he passed the polygraph and so they let
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: him go. Yeah, well, I don't know how they would
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: have convicted him an he was unless they they I
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: don't know how they unless he just like spilled the beans.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: He's like, oh did this or whatever, so they began
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: looking at I'm always surprised they caught anybody back in
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the day without like, there's probably a lot of people
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: in prison that aren't supposed to.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Be the quite possibly. I feel like that's what project.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why I'm like, I'm on the fence about
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: like the death penalty, especially if you were convicted like
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: way back, and we should like take a take a bouse.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like, if you were a DNA then it's
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: a match and you're did what you did. But if
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: you have anything less than DNA, I'm like, I don't know.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: So anyways, they began looking at looking at where Glenn
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: is currently and he would now be an elderly man
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: because remember this is how many years is that nineteen
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: seventy four to twenty nineteen, twenty six, thirty fifty one years.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: It's fifty one years, it's not fifty one today.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: It is no, but to twenty nineteen it'd be twenty six,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: it'd be forty six years, forty forty five, forty six years.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: So they're looking at like an old man at this
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: point now this crime. So anyways, so they look he
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: is living in the fort Worth area still, he has
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: a wife. He's like this churchgoer. Of course, anyway, anyways,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and they find out he's now seventy seven years old. Now,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: once they confirmed where he was living, they go and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: they kind of like root through his trash and everything
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: like that. They get themselves a DNA sample from a
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: container where he had drank out of and they were
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: able to run that DNA sample against that one that
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: they had already developed and it was a match. So
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: now they could proceed with really going at him, with
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: questioning him.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Get a warrant.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, get a warrant, bring him in and have some
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: solid evidence to say, hey, we know you did this.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Police interviewed Glenn as well as his wife.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Like they interview him together, which seems weird, but also
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: it was like magical.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Now the wife because he was actually married in nineteen
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: seventy four to the same woman, so that's why they're
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: going to interview the wife.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were gonna interview but normally you would think
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: they would pull them separate normally, but for some reason,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: they interview him together. I don't know if he was
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: because his age or something like that, or to make
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: him more comfortable or something like that. But yeah, they
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: interviewed Glenn and Judy were interviewed together.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, police ask him where he was the week that
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Carla went missing, and he said that he would have
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: been driving his wife back and forth from work because
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: she didn't drive. However, his wife was in the interview
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: with him, and she clearly clearly remembers that week that
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Carla went missing, and she knows that she was basically
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: that she was actually out basically I'm looking at something
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: else knows that she was actually out in West Texas.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: She was actually out in Midlands, in Midland text she
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: said Midland.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Lord, So she was being punished.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, she was visiting her father had surgery. But it
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: was so funny because I could just I could just
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: see Glenn because he's like he's talking about this and
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: it's all recorded, and she's like, oh, no, I was,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I was out of town.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I was in Midland.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I'd just be like, shut the fuck up.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Jude, Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, Judy killing me here. So
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: obviously this is a big win for investigators because he
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: had nobody to alibi him the week that Carla went missing,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: because yes, she clearly remembers she was not in town.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the surgery, you could probably like even look
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: back at records because it was her dad's surgery. I'm
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: sure they had records back then, even that you could
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: they could go that's something you can go look at.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, there was records back in the seventy four.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know. I don't know if they chiseled
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: your birth certificate on a freaking stone stone, I don't know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: stew me. Are you going to continue?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Can I? Can I continue? I don't know.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: You had to cough and we had to pause, and
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: it's annoying.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Well, police then ask you right now is annoying to me? Well,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the way you talk to me is annoying. They then
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: asked him if he would be willing to give over
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: a DNA stample, and he stated that he was pretty
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: sure he did that back in nineteen seventy four. But
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: old Judy's like, well, that wouldn't have been possible because
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: they didn't have DNA back then, and I think that
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: came around more in the eighties, so it was clear.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Now Judy's date life, yes, I'm not sure. She likes
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: him so long and even his breathing irritates and like.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: If I could get a few years of reprieve at
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the end, of my life. Can not be wrong. I
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: was gonna say the importance of her saying that she
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: was out of town was because, like we said, someone
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: had to keep Carla for alive for two days, someone
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: had to be able to take her somewhere, and so
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: that's really important that she was completely out of town.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like it wasn't like a two hour window
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: or something that someone could have killed. Someone needed days
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: to commit this crime. But yeah, Judy's like the she
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: either is sick of him or she's just like I
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: could never imagine he would do this. But yeah, she
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: was like pulling out. She's like, Oh, you wouldn't have
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: given a DNA sample they didn't have DnaB back.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why would they ask for DNA when they weren't
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: even testing that? Yeah, so what the pressure Glenn does
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: give up the DNA samp because.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: His wife's sitting there like, why won't you give.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Up the d.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Judy's my hero.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: She's like, she just cracked this case. Why she did
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: just It's a week later the results were back in
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: and they were a match, and they were able to
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: arrest Glenn for the rape and murder of Carla Walker.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Now Lynn Glenn was brought back in for his official
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: interview after he was arrested. So this was just the
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: pre interview to try to get the official because they
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: can't they couldn't get an arrest Warren off the cup
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: or whatever. They pulled it in and they needed that
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: official one. So they bring him back in after he's arrested,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: and he changed his story and said that he didn't
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: even know who Carla was. He'd never heard of her.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Like he just like did an interview where he said
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: he knew who Carla was. They showed him pictures and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: everything like that. He and so they were like, hey, yo, Glenn,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: we just did an interview and you said you knew
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: who she was. And his children went to cause he
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: was thirty one at the time. His children went to
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: school at the same school as Carla, Like this was
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: this he knew who was. They had memorials there, like
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: everyone in the town knew what happened to Carla, and
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: he literally just talked about it. So anyway, so he
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: denies any involvement with the rape or murder initially, but
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: as the interview goes on, he must have felt some
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: pressure from the investigators and he finally he just starts
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: breaking down and crying. They had like a female and
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: a male investigator in there, and the female one was
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: like holding his hand, you know, kind of being like
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: comforting to him and that, and then he just started, Yeah,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: he starts just breaking down and said that he did
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: do it. And they asked him how he did it,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and he said, and as he's crying, he said, I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: choked her. Well, they've been asking him about that gun
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that he claimed was stolen prior to Carlo's attack, and
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: he finally admits that it is. He does have the gun.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: It was hidden in a little storage little like nook
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: up off his storage area in his house, so they
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: were able to get in a warrant and go and
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: actually recover that gun. Kind of just all the pieces
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: are together now now. Despite admitting that he did do it,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: saying that he choked her and all this stuff, he
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: did decide to go on trial. He pleaded not guilty,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and he went on trial in August of twenty twenty one,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: probably trying to play up the old man aspect because
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: at this point it's kind of like the Golden State
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Killer when he was rolled in in the wheelchair and
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I think he thought everybody feels sorry for him. Was like, no,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: you're a terrible human being. Just because you're old now
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: doesn't change that. Anyways, about three days into his trial,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: he changed his mind and he decided to take a
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: plea deal. Now, he did do an interview later with
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Texas Monthly and he just said, I was tired of
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: all the.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Hound and just tired of the handling.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: What's so crazy, though, is he never he didn't hurt.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: He never committed another or that they know of that
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: committed another crime after this, Like, he's not tied by
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: DNA to any other crime anyways. Glenn was incarcerated and
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: sentenced to life in prison. However, he would be eligible
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: for prol and twenty twenty nine. I'm guessing it probably
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: has something to do with when he committed the crime
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and also probably like age and stuff like that. However,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: he would pass away in prison in twenty twenty three. Now,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: like I said, there was the case that was like
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: a year before with Becky. They were never able to
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: tie him to that, But there was also like seven
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: other or six or seven other women in that time
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: frame that went missing, but they weren't able to tie
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: because they thought it was like a serial killer, but
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: they weren't never able to tie them to him.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, Glenn or or I had to look at that.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think they ever solved Becky's case or anything
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: So well, he was like, yeah he would, he would
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: him kidnapping that girl and keeping her for two days.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Shooting up with Morpheme was not as a first rodeo,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I don't think.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know how he I don't know how
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: many other people. But that's not Yeah, you know, that's
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: not your like gateway crime right there. That's like a
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: serious serial killer. I feel like, so, I'm sure he
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: probably killed other women, but they just never could catch him.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Money, Yeah, didn't live enough DNA profile or they never
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: collected it. Yeah at the crime.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Sent Yes, all right, so that's our case out of Texas.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: If you remember us doing this one two years ago?
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Memory, Thankara, Evidently.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I said different things. Listen.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, probably said the exact same thing. Kara can't even
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: remember where she left her phone like two seconds ago.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, I have someone competing for brain cells right now. Okay,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna use
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: his excuse as long.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: As I'm going to write it to you.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Okay. Anyways, So yeah, that's our case, our Valentine's Day case. STU,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: do you have a y'all need Jesus?
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I do? Okay, there was a plethora of y'all need
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Jesus's coming out of the woodwork here in the last
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks. You gave me that one last week.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: We did, but I already had this one loaded up.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, you were accidentally prepared because I provided you one
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: for last week.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Well I have another one too. Oh okay, wow, would
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: you have me to read both of them?
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: No?
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: No, there's a lot of dumb ass people out there,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: is all I'm saying.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: No, we're just doing one. We'll do the next one
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: next time. I'm hot. I need to get out of here. Yeah, Babi,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: this closet is burning.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Up Coming to us from Channel five w CSC Live
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: five News, January thirty, twenty twenty six, by the TMX staff.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Whoever that is man accused of sexual performance with a
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: vacuum at a resort authority say Florida or not Florida, Florida.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: And this is why I love to travel, but I
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: also hate to travel, because there's people like this that
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: stayed in your room prior.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: To you, prior to you being there, the Pineapple people
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: in the cruise room.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, And that's why when we went to the Terlingua thing,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: because I was freaked out that was like anything that
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: we can read, that we could that's you use in there.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I was like, what if these bitches are like mad
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: at us or whatever and they did something to our
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: sheets or something or cup So I literally brought h well,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I'd already thought about this in places, so we brought
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: our own sheets because also you're like cuddling up to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: a pot, it's like is it clean? We brought it
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: on towels, and I'll probably start doing this just because
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: it really is gross. You don't know if they've.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Like cleaned proper wash cloth up the crack.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: The other thing I brought is the stop steward. Anyways,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I also brought our own curig, like little mini curried machine,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: because I've also started getting grossed out by the curug
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: machines they put in the hotel rooms now, because how
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: do you know someone didn't like drink out of a
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: bottle and then be like, oh, I just need water
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: for my coffee.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: And then just pour it in there or their water
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: bottle on there.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that they already drank out of bit. Yes, like
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: we don't know the level of cleanness. It's just like gross.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I've just gotten to the point where everything's gross, so
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I just would rather bring my own stuff. And this
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: is probably an example.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Kissing me Florida, I knew it.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Florida.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Well, Florida's in Florida said a man is facing charges
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: for allegedly walking nude around a resort and publicly engaging
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: in a sexual act.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's just walking around the resort. He's not even
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: in his room.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: God knows what he did in his room with a
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: vacuum cleaner?
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Was that the name of his nickname for his girlfriend?
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I home? No, I always have trouble pronouncing the Asceola
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: County Sheriff's Office said deputies responded to the Windsor Hills
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Resort and kissed me on January twenty two after receiving
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: ports that a man was exposing himself in front of
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: a residence. The suspect was gone before deputies arrived, but
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: witnesses provided statements and cell phone video of a partially
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: clothed man outside the residence engaged in sexual performance with
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: a vacuum cleaner. That must be a video that I
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: wonder if that's on YouTube.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's on tiktoks.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Some worm investigators learned the suspect identified as fifty one
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: year old Kara Kevin Dale, Western Hoole.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: No, that sounds about the age that I would expect
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: year old.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, so somebody in my age, Yes, you expect somebody
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: in my age to be having sex with a vacuum You've.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Gotten you've gotten pretty down foreign life. Like you've been
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: beat down for quite a few decades. Like I don't
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: see a twenty one year old walk around. There's still
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: got some hope that they're gonna get like a woman.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: This is this guy's been decades of being beat down
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: to the point where he's like, this is six.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: My wife is pregnant again. She won't get me any
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Where's where's vacuum clean.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Oh my god? What is wrong with you? Shut up?
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: What just read your stupid story? Leave me the fuck.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: No, this is where it gets good, Karen. This is
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: where it gets good, and this is where you're gonna
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: be like, ah, I knew it. Fifty one year old, Well,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I gotta find my spot.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Kevin and his wife are listed as hosts for Airbnb
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: properties at Windsor Hills.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: This is exactly why we don't use airbnbs either anymore.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Investigators also reviewed a complaint from the day prior January
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: twenty one about a nude man and a shared hallway.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Ring camera video of the incident was provided. Multiple additional
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: residents provided statements reporting similar behavior. Some of those incidents
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: had been reported to Homeowners Association in December of twenty
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: twenty five. Residents provided blink, I guess that's like ring
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: videos allegedly showing westerhold nude or partially clothed in the
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: shared hallway. He was arrested on January twenty seventh near
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: his video residence by the Ovideo Police Department. The Sheriff's
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: office said he was booked into Seminole County Jail on
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: charges of exposual exposure of sexual organs. Sheriff's department says
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: the investigation is ongoing, all.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Right, that is our You have more to say.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I have nothing else to say. I think that was
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: plenty of a man having sex and the sheriff hallway
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: of the vacuum planner.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: That's all right?
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Who is an Airbnb host? All the things that I
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: abhor lately?
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: All right, well that is our case for this week.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Are y'all need Jesus? We are going to try to
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: record to shoot the Poo tomorrow and we're gonna talk
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: about another Valentine's.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Dateline that I watched that was like wack a do.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, the husband was a real piece of work on
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: that one. So anyways, all right, I think that's it.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: So stud Do you have anything else? Dad?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Do I need to add anything else?
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Oh? You don't need any all right? We will Okay,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I go shoot all right, we will see you next time.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: By everyone, say bye to.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: It's bad to be superstitious. Find nothing else. It's working,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: and my hand it's really hurting, and I'm sick.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: It's worry bout things I can contrue.