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Transatlantic flight, done! - The FLYER Show - 28th May 2026 · Flyer Magazine

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_05: Hello and welcome to this week's flashway from WhatsApp where it is absolutely bloody scorching.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_05: My name's Ian Seeger, I'm Ed Hex.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm Dave Corderwood.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_05: In this week's show, we'll be talking about all sorts of newsy kind of stuff, but we'll also be looking at crossing the Atlantic.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_05: Why would you cross the Atlantic?
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_05: Who's crossed the Atlantic?
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_05: All sorts of stuff around crossing the Atlantic.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_05: Is it to get to the other side?
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_05: It is one of that is the main reason for doing it.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_05: So there are.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_05: I can spoiler alert, wait till the end to see some of the better stuff.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_05: It's not the cheapest way of getting to the other side.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_04: But probably fun.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, sort of type two fun sometimes, but absolutely.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_05: Anyway, anyway, a big, big thanks to Sky Demon for supporting the channel, and here is this week's top tip.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, I'm Hannah from Sky Demon, and this is this week's top tip.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: As part of your aircraft profile, it's possible to create checklists.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: To start, tap new checklist and you'll be given the option to populate the aircraft with some generic checklists to edit.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: Or if you tap no, you can create a new checklist from scratch.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: We'll tap yes to get started with some generic checklists.
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  SPEAKER_00: These are not designed to be valid for any particular aircraft but just to serve as an example to get you started.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: All elements of the checklist can be edited as needed.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: So you can change the properties of the checklist such as the name and flight phase, as well as editing individual items and sections.
• 1:36
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• 1:41
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• 1:50
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• 1:53
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• 2:02
  SPEAKER_05: So there you go.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_04: I know a few people who use them too.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_04: So they are they are a popular thing.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_04: Someone I know bought a new airplane recently, and it's like they made made good use of the checklist for.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_05: So there's a series of three top tips coming from Hannah.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_05: So creating, sharing, and using.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_05: Or it might be a different order, creating, using.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_05: Anyway, whichever order it's in.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_05: But I so you can share them once you've created it.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_05: I'm looking for someone who's created a really good 182 checklist.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_05: Share it with me, that'd be great.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_04: Otherwise, I'll sit and do it.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_04: I'll wait for someone to make an RB3 checklist.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_04: I may be waiting sometime.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, uh, I know it's glorious weather, but should we uh should we check to see if there's any disruptions in service?
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so let's see what Simon has in store.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: Even all, hope that you're well this evening and getting ready for another weekend of flying.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's looking okay again, actually.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: Fresher than it has been, which I know is going to be a relief to everyone.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: So certainly feeling much more comfortable uh in the cockpit.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, this is how Friday shapes up.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a weak front that's just clearing away from East Anger and South East England first, I think.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you notice brightest bells moving through though, across uh Ireland, then getting into most of England and Wales.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: That front just reluctant to completely clear away from East Anger in the far southeast.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think here we're gonna be bases of two to four thousand feet, tops about ten thousand to twelve thousand feet.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: Still one or two spots of rain around.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: Elsewhere, though, looks as if it is going to be a fair afternoon bases of around 3,000 feet, and the tops are coming in at around 10 to 12,000 feet.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: A few showers for northern and western Scotland, they could be heavy, and I think here we're going into non-VFR conditions.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: The base is probably a thousand to two thousand feet, and the top is about fifteen thousand feet.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: One or two showers for southern Scotland as well, but for central and eastern Scotland, it's actually looking pretty good at that.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: As we get in towards Saturday, watch out towards the west.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: That area of rain is associated with the front that moves its way slowly eastwards.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: However, ahead of it, we've got a ridge of high pressure.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's the end shape here that you see in the ice bars.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: But ridges of high pressure and good news for flying.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: So it actually looks like it is going to be a generally fair start to the end of the day, much of England and Wales.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: That rain, though, getting into western Scotland gets through most of Ireland by the end of the morning, and then it kind of tracks its way slowly northeastwards across the rest of Scotland, into the far northwest of England, and across western parts of Wales through the afternoon.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: So across these areas, probably we go into non-VFR conditions.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: The top is about twelve to fifteen thousand feet.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: Some hill fog though, uh, particularly over western coasts, and the base is quite lower than that, near a thousand feet or less.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Elsewhere, generally it looks okay.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Broken cloud bases around three to five thousand feet, the top is about eight to ten thousand feet, light winds, although sometimes he breezes for eastern coasts.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then as we get in towards Sunday, so we find a fair amount of cloud around on Sunday.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: What I think will happen first thing is that many western coasts and hills are cloud up with some low cloud and drizzle.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: Could be that way through much of the channel as well, particularly the western channel.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: So the channel is and across the southern coast of south west England.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: There's a more persistent rain across northern Scotland.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: During the course of Sunday, things do become a little bit brighter.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think probably we lose the low cloud from the western south.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: But excuse me, there could still be some around.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: And we get further showers as well across northern and western parts of Scotland, but generally getting a better sort of day on a Sunday.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: Early bases less than a thousand feet for many over the western as we go through the day, two to three thousand feet.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: Just watch out for those who don't have across northern parts on Scotland.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: So you think not a bad weekend.
• 6:00
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• 6:45
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• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but like I say, have a great weekend, and I'll see you next week.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: Bye for now.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I think that's still going to be hot.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_04: I think so.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think it's gonna be the same everywhere.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_03: We'll come to that.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:00
  unknown: Yep.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_05: Dave, you're first up.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, well, I've been taken to task actually by a reader, Chuck called Paul Knight, who uh let me know that could in this week's newsletter I wrote uh an item about Oxford Airport and the airspace around.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_03: And he said, What airspace are they talking about?
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_03: Because they this this item came from the CEA, it's a skywise alert, and it said basically a reminder from the Oxfordshire local airspace infringement team to make use of the co F of the frequency monitoring code rather than just squawking 7,000.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_03: Uh they said it's you know it's a simple step, enhances situational awareness and reduces the risk of airspace infringement and collision risk and so on.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um Paul was right.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_03: What airspace are they talking about?
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_03: Because they there's Oxford Radar is the airport.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's they don't actually have any controlled airspace other than the airport ATZ.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_04: They have their little ATZ, don't they?
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_03: So um it's a bit cheeky in a way to kind of say there's a possible infringement, because who's gonna blunder through.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_05: I mean there's class G airspace around.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_05: There's class G airspace, yes.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_04: And it is to be controlled.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_04: There's a few, there's a there's definitely a little tiny there's a there's like a 0.4 mile co uh 0.4 of mile corridor, isn't there, between uh that channels people between Oxford and Western on the green.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: No, I absolutely agree.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's really worth using the codes in the area.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_03: For no other reason than than it's called the Oxford area of intense aerial activity for a very good reason.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's there's all the stuff going on at Bryce.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_05: Better still, give them a call and get a traffic service.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, that would be my Because we were coming back from Norfolk a couple of weeks ago and they were unbelievably helpful.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_04: It was brilliant.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_05: Top awards, Oxford.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, but they are.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and what what they're saying is uh if you're monitoring Oxford radar, which is one two five decimal zero nine zero, uh then squawk four five one seven.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: If you're monitoring Bryce Lars, which is one two four decimal two eight zero, then squawk three seven two seven.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_03: So there's very good reasons.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_03: I must admit, you know, because I live within the this Oxford area of intense activity, just off the end of the western end of the Bryce runway, and it's very, very busy around there.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_03: I think it is at the moment, isn't it?
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_03: Extremely busy around there.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: If I was flying a little micro light thrust around there, I'd want something squawking something to the tune of you.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember those sixties air horns that played out massive?
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_03: I've wanted to electronic conspicuity that was as loud as that.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_05: Well, there was a there was a kind of plan at some stage, wasn't there, to redo the the airspeaks around there.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_05: Because Bryce employed a bunch of four-year-olds with crayons to to create something.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_04: It was like what I'd forgotten all about that.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_04: That was a brilliant time in airspace design.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_05: Unbelievable.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you can understand Oxford's problem.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: They've got uh biz jets going in and out, they've got several flying schools there.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's really quite busy.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_04: I am quite surprised that Oxford have because they've got an instrument approach, and it is just you it's just feathers on the on the chart.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_04: No no protected.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_05: One day, one day I'm gonna have a rant about frequency codes, but today is not that day.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_04: I did uh Dave and I were chatting about the the the frequency monitoring codes um earlier, and you look at the chart for transponder codes, and a big chunk of the south of England now is all in transponder monitoring code now.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_04: There are many, many.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_03: Why not make it one big tran yeah, one big transponder monitor zone?
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_03: No, no.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_05: If you think Dave should be litched for that, vote.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_05: Uh right, my my story next.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_05: And this is a story that uh John Hunt, the Flying Reporter, is on his way crossing the Atlantic, as it were.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_05: So uh Yep, um he set off a couple of days ago.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_05: There was a little mini bit of adventure at the beginning where he took off from Aberdeen, I think it was, yeah.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and declared uh an emergency, squawking 7700, um, and then returned, ended up going diverting back into Inverness.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, yeah, yeah.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_05: We'll find out more about that.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we just he's kind of he's kind of running a bit of a bit of an update on his site, theflyingreporter.co.uk.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_05: So you can see what's going on there.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_05: There's a raffle week and win a pair of headsets, um, and he's raising some money for airability as well.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_05: So you can follow his progress on there.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and he's ultimately he's hoping to get to Washkosh, isn't he?
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_04: And he's joining in with the Cherokee mass arrival.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_04: I mean he should get there because it's like quite a way away still, and it's not that far.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_04: It's a while.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_05: I know he's got some sort of formation training or familiarity camp for the Osh for the P A twenty eight.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_05: Mass arrival.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's loads of those mass arrivals.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_04: There's there's a Mooney, there's Bonanza, there's Cherokee, there's Cessna, Ciruses now.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_04: Cirruses.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_03: Did uh did a Piper Cub fraternity have a mass flying?
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_04: Because that's gonna take all days.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_04: Well I was gonna say that I think the reason the Cubs don't have a mass arrival is because it would take it would be like it's today is the day and nothing else could happen.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, exactly.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_05: So uh we'll talk more about Atlantic crossings a little bit later.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_05: Um but take a look at the flying report at.co.uk.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_05: Buy yourself a raffle ticket, contribute to anything that supports their ability, and and watch and support John's progress.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_05: I think um Yeah.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_05: I think by the time you this goes out, he should be either in Mankivik or in Icalowit or somewhere like that, depending on how it goes.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_05: Fantastic.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_05: Good luck, John.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, good luck, John.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_04: Ed.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh me.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and perhaps no surprise, uh, but late last week uh it was announced that uh the Royal International Air Tattoo at Fairford, which is um 17th uh or was 17th to the 19th of July, has been canned.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um obviously, because Fairford is an active base uh for um for the US bombers involved in Operation Epic Fury.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_04: Um uh so uh Riatt has said anyone with a ticket you can get a refund or you can carry your ticket forwards to next year.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_04: Or you can just allow it allow the money to go into their their uh charitable trust fund.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_04: So um uh but uh yeah, not really a surprise, really.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_05: Are you sure that it was it was because of the um Epic Fury, not because of all of the frequency monitoring codes that they do to keep switching.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_05: We're doing a big loop.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_05: Hang on, switch, switch! Yes.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, I think it was definitely definitely that.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_04: I must admit, I keep I um I um every time I hear a big jet, I go, I wonder what that is, and it's usually a B-52.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_04: Or a B1B.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_04: And surprisingly, not uh not wearing a transponder conspicuity code.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_04: No, quite often.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_05: I I I I can tend to see the the B-52 heading out west initially, I think the tank.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um the B1's less, but you can certainly hear the noise and you have a quick look.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_05: There are no invisible bombers.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_05: Invisible bombers.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_05: As you would not be surprised.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: Uh this weekend, um it sees the 54th, 54th annual mole fly that Glen Falls.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: It is, yeah.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, uh Brenton's done a great job with you know that whole setup there.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's a beautiful place to go.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: And we've got a little video, uh which you know, and uh just a little flyover of the last the last little flying that they had.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_03: And it does look a stunning location.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_04: And great weather if you're thinking of heading up to Scotland.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, hopefully decent enough weather for you to because it's a old it is a fair old trek up there.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_04: Fair old trek.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_03: I did check the weather for the weekend for uh for for the area.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's not possibly as good as it is at the moment.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_04: I know a few people who are planning to head up there, someone who's definitely planning to camp.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_05: So um, my guess is that all the rooms in the hotel are taken already.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_05: I wouldn't.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_05: They were probably all but gazillions of years ago, so take a tent is the best way.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_05: Magic place though.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so I got a story that was gonna come before that day, but it's okay.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_05: It's okay.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_05: This is this is about a lady called Stephanie T.
• 15:03
  unknown: Right.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's Stephanie T.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_05: She might be the most famous Stephanie T right now.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_05: The most famous Stephanie T right now.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_05: Um she decided to go and do a little bit of paragliding in this kind of Switzer area over the mountains.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_05: There she was.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_05: As you do when you're paragliding, probably yodeling, actually, to be honest.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_05: It was Austria, not Switzerland, but they probably yodel.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_05: Um and then all of a sudden it's Sesson 182, you go straight through, rips her can be in half.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_04: A piece of astonishing video, wasn't it?
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_04: Because it's uh she's wearing a wearing uh an action cam, so and it's looking behind her, and you can see her momentarily she looks around as if to go, I can hear something.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_05: I wonder if I wonder if she ended up like getting hooked and then going up for a bit before she It didn't look like it.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_04: I mean it is hotel.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_04: I mean amaz I mean remarkable footage and amazing that the people in the 182 and she was okay.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_04: I mean she deployed her her reserve, didn't she?
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_05: She did.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_05: She got it the reserve as far as I can see.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_05: I think in a bag or something.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_05: In a bag, yeah.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_05: I think I'll have that.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_05: I'd have put my lunch in it.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_05: And that opened, and then there was a bit of twisting, and then the life got a look.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_05: And then there was a on the way down, she was clearly struggling a bit to get both of her legs out of that cocoon type thing.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_05: Otherwise she'd have probably you probably don't want to land on your bum.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_04: That's bad, isn't it?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_04: And the 182.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_05: We haven't heard a lot about the 182, have we?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_05: No, all I know about the 182, it wasn't about 28 years old, it wasn't me.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_05: Explained by a 28-year-old, which I think is pretty irrelevant to this.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it's uh it was on a possible sightseeing tour or something.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_04: I saw one remark.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_05: Uh landed back at Zalem C or I can't quite pronounce it.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_05: Doing a bit of Dave.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, I know.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, remarkable.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_04: And happy that no one was hurt in that.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_04: But uh just goes to show you keep your eyes peeled.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think you were with I think you were with me at the time.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_05: We were flying back into Lideway.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_05: And I was looking on SafeSky.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_05: And there was like a loads of there was a paramotor thing over Lideway.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_05: And I go, what is that?
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_05: I've never seen that symbol before.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_05: And lo and behold, when we got there, there was a guy flying around in his his paramount.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_05: This has amazing this one.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_04: And I think it in the past, we've I I know you're a you're a keen user of SafeSky, aren't you?
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_04: And a lot of the power the paragliding activity shows up on that, doesn't it?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and increasingly drone some drone activity as well.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_05: I mean it does rely on a mobile signal.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_05: So you know if you're at ten thousand feet over the UK, it's going to be as much use as a chocolate teapot.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_05: But um you know, when you've got mobile signal, it's certainly better than that.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, there's lots of arguments about it.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm also review in the middle of reviewing a little box that takes um puts the traffic map on there.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, this newly flyer.io.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yeah.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, which is a traffic display, isn't it?
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_04: That's the thing.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's a pure display, it doesn't sense.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_05: So you can you can use it with uh Sky Echo or you can use it with um safe sky and stuff like that.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_05: It's just a better coloured display.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_04: That was newer aero this year, wasn't it?
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_04: It was indeed.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_05: Dave, give us some club news.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_03: Well, there's some really good news, actually.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_03: There's we've got two sets of landing fees.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_03: There's the rest of May, which is Causeway in Ireland, Perth, Scotland, Felthorpe in Norfolk, and Jersey, although I think that one's expired now.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_04: The five free landings are over there, probably gone.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_04: Plus, there's five and there's four new landings for June, aren't they?
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_03: June, yes.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_03: There's Easter Airfield.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_03: That's a long way out.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_03: We need to go there.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_04: Should we go in the Freeland?
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_04: Let's go and pay our pay at the ending free there.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: So there's Easter, Kingsmuir.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_05: Eshot?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: And Yatesbury.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yatesbury.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_05: Fabulous little place.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_05: I need to drive I quite fancy taking the 180 in there, but I it's quite short runway, so I'm going to go and have a look at it first and then for them.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, probably probably worth a worth a a ground visit, because that one is a little bit shorter than others.
• 18:54
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• 18:55
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• 19:46
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• 19:47
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• 19:48
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• 19:50
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• 19:51
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• 19:58
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• 19:58
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• 20:06
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• 20:11
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• 20:12
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• 20:14
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• 20:16
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• 20:22
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• 20:40
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so on to our main topic of discussion this week.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_05: So you want to cross the Atlantic.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_05: An increasing number of people, I believe, are crossing the Atlantic under their own steam.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_04: Well, not like paddling or anything, but No, I mean it's it's it's it does seem to be something that a lot of people are going, hey, I quite fancy that trip.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_04: And I obviously Oshkosh is the on on the other side of the Atlantic, and this time of year is probably the best time to do it, weather-wise.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_05: Um Yeah, I mean it's we can talk we'll talk about weather in a little bit about it.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but this is a more this is a more preferable time of year, should we say?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because obviously you've done it twice, haven't you?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_04: I have.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_04: So you're our subject matter expert for tonight.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_05: Slightly dated subject matter expert.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_05: But first of all, let's let's talking on the stuff the best time of year to do it.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_05: Let's not forget Orcock and Brown made the first transatlantic flight in 1919.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_05: Around this time of year.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_05: Charles Lindbergh took off in the Spirit of St.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_05: Louis this week in 1927.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_04: I can't.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_04: I was looking looking at those dates, and you go, wow, that's a hundred years next year.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_04: It's mad, isn't it?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_04: It is amazing.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_04: It is amazing, yeah.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_04: I hope there's I hope someone out there is going, there's we need to do something great for that.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_04: That's I hope so.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_05: If they don't, we will.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_05: We'll recreate it.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_05: We'll we'll tape over all of our aircraft, put a periscope up through the things, and then have a go.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: I remember seeing a video of Hook Gibson.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: Flying the Spirit of St.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: Louis.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_04: I'm guessing a replica.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: A replica.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_03: And uh look, there's a there's some video of him in the cockpit.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: Because you can't see anything from the water.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_04: You have two side windows.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: The little side windows, yeah.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: But he he managed to fly it.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely, absolutely.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_05: And before we forget, just moving on, otherwise Annabelle smacked me around the head.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_05: That it was also immediate airhart as the first female solar crossing.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_05: She left in May 20th, 20, so last weekend, effectively, 1932.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, right.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_05: The first question, why would you do it?
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_05: Why would you do it?
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_05: Why did you do it?
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_05: I did it because it was just one of those things that was on my list of things I wanted to do.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_05: It was a box that I needed to tick.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_05: I'd done a whole bunch of flying and around Europe and stuff like that.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_05: And I really, really wanted a challenge.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_05: And the year before, the French magazine, Avias Saint Pirot, uh, I know the the chap who runs that quite well, and he phoned me up and he said he won't be listening.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_05: So he said, Iun, would you like to come on a flyotte?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_05: It's like I was there.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_05: And I said, Where are you going, Jack?
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_05: And he went, I am going to Svalbard in the uh halfway between the N Norway and the North Pole.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_05: So I went, I'll come along on that.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_05: He actually speaks really good English, but hey.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_05: Um and so I I went along on that.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_05: And that involves so from Tromso to Longyeen.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_05: I can't remember exactly how far it is, but it's something like 600 miles.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_05: It's a bloody long overwater crossing.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_05: The only bit of land in between two of them is a little uninhabited thing called Bear Island, not even inhabited by bears.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_05: So you know you couldn't land there.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_05: It's completely useless.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_05: So it was kind of like a a big overwater crossing.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_05: And kind of once I did that, I thought, you know what?
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_05: There's nothing that much.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_05: There's nothing stopping me.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_05: There's nothing stopping me going to Oshkosh.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_05: And it's not really the distances aren't any different, particularly the overwater bits, anyway.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_05: So I thought, right, that's it.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_05: It's going to be the year to year to do it, and that was it.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_04: And obviously you had your 182.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_04: I did.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um did you do and could I can you cross the Atlantic in any aeroplane?
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_04: Or d are there certain things that you would consider as a necessity?
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, you you can't cross the uh North Atlantic in any aeroplane, particularly some of the shorter range, unmodified ones.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_05: You definitely range was the first thing for me.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_05: And I ended up putting in some flint tip tanks.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_05: So you take those, you take the wing tips off, drill out or cut out the first rib, which is a little bit scary, and then put slide the tip tanks in, which have a kind of rib embedded in them, sort of thing.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_05: And then you have to completely re-plumb the whole thing.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_05: So because that doesn't feed the engine, that feeds the main tanks.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_05: So there's a bit of a bit of a palava there.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, and that gave you how much fuel.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_05: That gave me an extra twenty-five US gallons, I think, which is probably another two hours.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_05: And so the 182 has a range of you know in economy cruise of probably twelve hundred miles in still air.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_05: Which is more than enough for anyone.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_05: And that that's the kind of thing really, you you you need places you need to know whether you can get to where you're going and if there's an issue there, whether you can divert to anywhere.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_05: And most of the stuff, you know, frank, if you go into Iceland, there's there's other airfields on Iceland.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_05: When you start getting into sort of Arctic Canada, they get a little bit fewer and fewer and far between.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_05: But there are some ones, then your real problem is have gas and where you can go to gas.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_05: So you could do it in in pretty much any airplane, but it's the more fuel you get, the more options you've got, yeah.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_05: Which is which is a good thing.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_05: And although it is possible to do it VFR, although you're doing it low level in some parts below 5,000 feet, which is I mean, frankly, if the engine stops at 5,000 or 12,000 feet, which is what I did at you're gonna get wet anyway.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_05: Um I wouldn't particularly want to do it in VFR at 5,000 feet.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_05: So uh it's better to do it.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_05: It's easier to do it IFR.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um so in terms of uh personal survival kit, uh, what do you need to think about?
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_05: Well, first thing you need to think about is a survival suit.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_05: You can you know buy one, rent one, borrow one.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_05: Um you but you've got survival kit means all sorts of different things.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_05: So you can buy like the little yachty thing, which is probably gonna keep you alive for ten minutes, right?
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_05: If you're lucky, or you can buy the full-on blobby suit, which just looks a bit weird.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_05: Um and so I had sort of some something mid-range, but I have to say, by the time you're sitting in there with your kind of like tight-fitting rubber seal here and your life jacket and everything else on ready, it's on some of the longer legs, which might be five, six, five, six hours.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_05: That's a level of discomfort increasing.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_05: It's a level of discomfort that increases.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_05: In fact, Jacques, the guy who phoned me uh the year before, yeah, uh, he was trying to set a record with a friend of his in his moonie could do New York to Le Bourge for for sort of New York Paris record for his class of aeroplane once.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_05: So the the winds weren't great, and him and his mate said we're gonna have to do back, we're gonna go low level because it's the only way we're gonna avoid the winds, and we're gonna die really quickly, so let's just not bother with that.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_05: So they did it in kind of like shorts and normal clothing on the basis that it wouldn't have made much difference anyway.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_05: Um but yeah, so obviously, and then I I took a uh a dinghy as well, and then other people like Jess Hopkinson, uh, if the Yakov Lev's as used to be, yeah, yeah, you need more safety kit, borrow these flares, borrow this C dye, borrow these smoke signals, borrow this mirror, borrow this this, that, and the other.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_05: So I had a whole pack of stuff, um, and then had like a little kind of insulated bag with food in for the way to sort of stop the boredom.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so that's what you re that's what you really need.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_05: Um some people some people put HF radios in.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_04: But there's there's uh but there's no legal requirement for that?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_05: So if you go effectively through Gander FIR, you need a uh and and you you're not doing it VFR at low level, you need the HF radio.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um but I chose to go sort of across from Reykjavik over to Sonderstrom on the west coast, which took me over the Greenland Ice Cap, and there you don't need it.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_05: Um because I was only at flight level one two zero.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_04: And what was your route?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_04: Or what what routes are available to GA pilots?
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, it depends in part how high you can go.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_05: So the year after when I did it with Stephen Day and his PA 46, we could get to flight level 250, and that means you didn't need HF in Gander.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_05: So we went via Narsaswak, the airport that's now closed, yeah, the tip of Greenland.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_05: Um and the the other routes are a bit further up in and going across the ice cap.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_05: Personally, I would recommend the ice cap route only on the basis that you know it's not unless you're a ferry pilot, um, but if you're doing it for fun, there's an absolutely spectacular, beautiful, stunning place, and you get that experience by flying over the ice cap.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_05: And it also puts you close to a place called Illulisat, right?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_05: It's a bit further north than Sonderstrom, which is like just one of the most stunning places that I've ever been.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_05: You literally can sit outside your hotel enjoying a cold beer, have a net over you avoiding the mosquitoes.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_05: There are lots and lots of bloody mosquitoes, and just see these little bits icebergs that have carved off a glacier that are floating by.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_05: Just absolutely stunning.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_05: Beautiful, beautiful.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_03: Where do these mosquitoes hypernate during then?
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I don't know what they do.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_05: I I haven't studied mosquitoes, but I have to say, when we uh took off from Ekaluit, which is kind of like used to be called Frobisher Bay in Canada, that was the first stop after Greenland, we took off.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_05: Uh you he felt like saying, I've got about 500 souls on board at the same time the mosquitoes because they were just everywhere.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_05: And you you're really glad to go from the airplane, the distance between the airplane and the FBO, yeah, which which on Ecaliber is a lovely air-conditioned building, it's just like once you get there, it's great.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_05: But before that, it's just full of bloody mosquitoes everywhere.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_05: Oh wow.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, not that's not a great part.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_05: But um, yeah, so take take mosquito cream, that would be my tip.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_05: Another tip.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um and I've heard it's I've heard it said that if in theory, everyone goes, Oh my god, that's a really long overwater crossing, and it is.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but then you get to Canada and you think, oh that's it, I've done it now.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_05: Canada, apart from the fact it's much bigger than you think, even though we should know better.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and but an awful lot of the stuff over Canada is just over nothing, just over forest.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_05: There's like no tracks, no roads, nothing.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_05: So if you have an engine failure there, you're gonna disappear below the canopy of whatever it is.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_05: And then I've heard it said that people say, you know, I just want to get eaten by a bear because I've I've fed up these mosquitoes after about two days.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_05: Come and get me.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_03: So rather than fly over forest, isn't there a more VFR-friendly route to go through?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_05: I think not really.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_05: Um, because you are kind of you once you certainly once you get into Arctic Canada, you are really driven by where you can get A gas, and that is increasingly hard.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_05: Um you'd think you could just follow the whole coast down or something, but actually you're looking for airfields that are within range where you can get Avgas.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_05: Um and and so no, not not easily.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um and it's quite interesting.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, uh I need to think about exactly how I say this, but you I Iceland is is a very uh lovely, sophisticated place, beautiful hotels, beautiful restaurants.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um and when you get to Canada, the part of Canada that's near the US border or into the US, you've got a great choice of hotels, restaurants, cars.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_05: The Arctic Canada stuff, so Greenland and and beyond feels slightly strange.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_05: It feels wild west kind of thing.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_05: And we've stayed in some places where it's where the hotels were every bit as expensive as as on Iceland, but were just a really grim motel type.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_05: It was the only place in town, you have no choice anyway, kind of thing.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_05: Um it's great for an adventure, but I can imagine, I can imagine if you're a pilot who who's really, really worried about the weather, and you should be, yeah.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um after five days there, you're probably starting to read the taft slightly different.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_05: Probably 90, yeah, that'll be fine.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_04: I know it does it does sound like the sort of thing where you need to, if you're not obviously if you're not doing it as a like a ferry pilot and you're doing it for fun, you need to be able to allow time.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_05: So a million years ago, yeah, when I was about twelve, or maybe in my thirties or forties, I went on a course in Germany from a guy whose name I unfortunately can't remember.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_05: It was organised by sporters when they had a shop in Germany, so it was about how to fly the North Atlantic.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_05: And I thought, oh, this might be useful one day.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_05: So flew over and went on this course.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_05: And the the bloke, if you can hear that, there's somebody's lawnmower.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_05: It's a lawnmower.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and and the bloke basically said, Okay, flying the North Atlantic, we're gonna go into all the details, but it's really simple.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_05: The thing is, you get up, you check the weather, you check the weather, you check the weather again, then you check the weather one last time.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_05: If the weather's perfect, you go.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_05: If the weather's anything less than perfect, you don't go.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_05: And it's obviously you need a degree of pragmatism around that, yeah.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_05: But that's in that's that's kind of you know, when the weather's lovely, the weather is lovely, but there are times where it's not always I mean, I remember on the leg um over from Reykjavik to Sonderstrom, or was it no, was it Sonderstrom to Ikalowit, I think maybe I can't remember one of those two.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_05: But there was this bit of fog out in the channel that seemed like it might be going in.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_05: We no one wants to get there when there's fog because that's like at that point you haven't got enough fuel to really go anywhere sensible.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and so we called the locals and so you know it's got this in the forecast thing, oh yeah, don't worry, it's been there for days, it's that's that's never coming in, it's just needed okay, and we flew there and it was absolutely perfect weather.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_05: I think we only flew one or two instrument approaches for real, and they were fairly benign instrument approaches.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um but you go to a place it's called there's a there's a place we went to purely because they've got fuel there called Schaefferville.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_05: And Chafferville is a community that serves the a mining, a big mining operation, and it is it has nothing um cute about it whatsoever.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_05: The we we got some Avgas there, and the the guy who's who was did who was pumping it said, Oh, you're lucky you didn't come a few days ago.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_05: Some teenagers nicked the truck and put it in a ditch, so we had to get it all out and get it repaired and stuff like that.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_05: You go into the terminal because you think, you know, go into the terminal, see if there's a vending machine or something like that.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_05: And it was like we're walking into a bar with a with a whole load of people who were who'd been cooped up there for a while.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_05: And the I've got a picture of it, hopefully I'll be able to dig it out, with um the the cash dispenser machine, which is in an iron cage so that nobody could steal anything from it.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_05: And it was I it was it was just I was one of those places I was very happy to leave.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_05: If you're the mayor of Schaeferville, I apologise, but hey, it is what it is.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and in terms of I know what degree of planning ahead do you need if you're gonna make this trip?
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_04: I know are there certain things you have to do?
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, there's yes and no.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_05: It there's you obviously need to if you're gonna fit tip tanks like I did, you need to there's a whole bunch of well, we ended up taking the wings off to fit those, yeah, by the way.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_05: So there's a whole load of stuff around that.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_05: If you're not doing anything like that, then it takes that need away.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_05: The other key thing that can stop people is insurance.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_05: Um we found it, I found it relatively easy to get the insurance sorted, but I know that other people have had some issues getting insurance sorted, and that very much depends on your insurer.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_05: In fact, at the time I moved insurer because I found one that my existing insurer was being a bit of a awkward, and I found one and went, yeah, no problem, we can do that.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_05: Just pay us the money.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_05: Um did that.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_05: And then at the time, if you had I had an N-reg aircraft, so it didn't really apply, but if you had a G-Reg aircraft, the FAA wanted you at the time to fly everything IFR in America, and you had to tell them where where your flights were going to be for the whole time you were there.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_05: Practically it didn't actually work out like that.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_05: So it when we did it in Stephen Day's G-Reg aircraft, they you you can't really do that.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_05: Um but the systems don't appear to be that connected.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_05: Um so there there's a whole bunch of paperwork stuff that you need to do in advance.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_05: But not it's not too bad to be honest.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_05: Insurance is something to get squared away early.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_05: Range and physical changes you need to get sorted, survival equipment you need.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_04: Things like customs and immigration, is that hard to deal with?
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_05: It's not hard to deal with, but it's a process at every single one.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_05: So there's a there's a kind of uh a pre-warning to Greenland for when you're going in there, but that can be done, no problem.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_05: The FBOs are all super helpful on the way because it's a world-trodden path.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_05: So we used far north at Wick, knew exactly what they were doing.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_05: You know, we I I'd studied where I was going to find my my Euro control applicable route kind of thing, and I went, Oh, this is what in the we've all filed that for you already.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, thanks.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_05: The FBO at Recuvic, almost in their entire business is or much of their entire business is ferry flying stuff.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_05: So they had it all sorted.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_05: So the Greenland customs, no problem.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_05: Canada is has a very specific thing you have to do.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_05: You can pass and but you can find it all online, there's no big issue.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_05: And in into the US is also another thing.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_05: You do have to get a visa.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_05: So that's the good point that I'd actually forgotten about.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_05: Um, because you can't go on a visa waiver.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_05: The visa waiver is effectively the airline says if we don't like you, the airline agrees to ship you back.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_05: So you have to go through the visa process, and that takes that I think takes a couple of months.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_05: And now it probably takes longer because I I noticed recently that any non-resident visa that you apply for now has to you have to supply your social media logins and stuff like that for them to trawl through your I don't know if you've ever said that you don't like maple syrup on your honey, they might turn you away.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_05: Canada says no.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_05: Well, actually, that was sorry, that Canada don't care about that so much, but the US does.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_05: There are ways around it.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_05: I've heard of people who who who've landed in Canada and got a taxi over the border and then been picked up.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_05: But I don't think that's not a place that you don't really want to mess.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_05: You don't when you're doing the trip, you want to be considering aeronautical stuff only.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_05: You don't want to be considering other things that you can deal with beforehand.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_05: So get a visa.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_04: And once you'd made it to the other side?
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_04: The flying GA in the US, land of milk and honey?
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_05: No, no issue whatsoever.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_05: As soon as you get to the as soon as you get to coastal, coastal Canada even.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_05: And then the US, it everything becomes so simple.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_05: In fact, on the way back, so did Oskosh and a kind of slightly convoluted route.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_05: Everything was just so everyone was so friendly, so helpful, so but it wasn't they weren't going out of the way because it was just it was normal.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_05: It was just the way they do it.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_05: I had an N-REG aircraft, so they didn't know I was going all the way back to the UK.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_05: They thought I was just going to the next destination.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_05: So no problem at all with that.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_05: And then Canada and uh Greenland, Iceland, Scotland.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_05: And then the problem started, like the first all the way from Oshkosh to Glasgow, it took I had to get to Glasgow before I didn't get a control, before I didn't get a transit of their class D Space, and I got told really and then stepped out to the airplane to be berated for not wearing Daydlo jacket or something.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_05: And then coming down uh through the sort of what would have been the low-level corridor.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_05: I was up quite high, I was like seven, eight thousand feet.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_05: I didn't really want to and they went, No, no, you've got to go down.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_05: So I can't I've come all the way from Oshgross, Wisconsin.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_05: It's the first time that you make me do so.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_05: And they went, okay, you should do it then.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_05: But it seriously, I I mean, British ATC, you're all lovely.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but everywhere else on the route on the way back had been more lovely, yeah.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_05: And less complex.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_05: And certainly in Canada, with everything, it's kind of like a lot of the stuff in Arctic Canada is just either self-reporting or kind of the equivalent of a Pfizer.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_05: So all you ever hear on the radio is someone going, Roger some accent.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_04: That's so for anyone thinking of doing this, uh, what are your three top tips?
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_05: Get your insurance and stuff like that sorted early.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_05: Make sure you get your visa sorted so that you those things aren't weighing on you while you're in the in the run-up.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_05: Read the documentation, talk to some experienced pet ferry pilots and other people.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_05: They're generally pretty generous with their advice.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_05: Um my fourth bonus tip these days is to uh is to get Starlink.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_05: You can get Starlink high-speed internet in the cockpit, gives you great weather and all sorts of other things.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_05: That's a real game changer, isn't it?
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_05: It is.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_05: It is.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I know.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_05: So that's that's that they would be my top tips.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but above all, if you want to do it.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_05: Enjoy it.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, start saving up now.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_05: Um don't forget to enjoy the journey and take your time.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_05: You know, don't be pressured into dodgy weather decisions.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_04: But it is absolutely something you can do.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_04: Uh a friend of mine is uh is he's he's decided to fly his home belt across to the Atlantic to Oshkosh this year.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_04: So he's he's doing that.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not allowed to say anything.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_05: Excellent.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_05: Well, we had the an another another interview we had in the past, if you remember, is uh I can't remember his name, Sherman the German.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_04: Oh uh Hermann um Hermann Sheel.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_04: Uh who's done it loads of he's he must be on like his fourth or fifth trip now.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um and he's made some spectacular video.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_04: Uh not often you see an iceberg from inverted, but No, we we didn't do we we didn't do the uh inverted stuff uh in the 1800s you surprised me.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, no, absolutely go for it.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_04: Have a great time.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_04: Cool.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_04: So what's next then?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_04: So it's time for what caught your eye.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Dave, what caught your eye?
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_03: Well what caught my eye was a simply spectacular weekend at uh Haken Green Airport, Wolverhampton.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_03: Uh first of all, on the Friday there was the international gathering of chipmunks, and uh more than 60 turned up.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_03: It just looks fantastic.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_04: It's amazing, I think for their 80th birthday with it.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_04: It was, yeah.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_04: Because it was.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_04: It was 80 years to the day of the day.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_04: And it looks like an airfield covered in chipmunks, to be honest.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: It was.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: And and and also the airfields look fantastic.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_03: They uh organised everything.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_03: The new team there, relatively new team, are doing a brilliant job.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_04: I have to say, everything I hear about um Havenny Green suggests that it is a brilliant place to go.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: There was a bonus though from the weekend.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there it looks like a a bit of um bit of uh polished porn there.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_03: There is, yes.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_03: There's a 1939 Douglas C41.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_03: C41A.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_03: The A is quite important.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, you're into your rare Dakotas there, actually.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's uh the A is the executive transport.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes, yeah.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_03: So it's um basically this is the military version of the Douglas DC3.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_03: And this one uh is a famous one called Hap Instance, um, and it's named after Major General Hap Arnold, uh, who used it during World War II.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_03: It was his transport, wasn't it?
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_03: It was his transport.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_03: But it also transported around other sort of high-ups in the US government.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_03: That was good of him.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, that's an absolutely glorious airplane.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_04: It's been uh it's been stored away at Coventry for a few years.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_03: That's right, yeah.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um it it went to a whole life after World War II.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_03: It was an executive transport for various firms.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_03: Then it went onto the museum circuit.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_03: And it's ended, ended up, it arrived at Coventry, um, where they have a lot of hysteric air air aircraft.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_03: Because Coventry Airport's closing.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's only got another few days.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, only got another few days.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_03: So all these aircraft having to go out, and they flew out um to and it's going to be based at Wolverhampton.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_03: Fantastic.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_03: Which is great.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and hopefully they're going to put together a series of air shows, so it it to it'll be seen more.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's well, that is a stunner.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_04: That is really fantastic.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, can't wait to see that around a bit more.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_04: Ian, what did what caught your eye?
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_05: Thanks.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_05: Thanks to a chap on Facebook called Jean-Marie Urache, who we've dealt with in the past, a great photographer from France.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_05: It is this.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_05: It's the uh Quaudron, the Renault-powered Quaudron, uh, which is a replica.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_05: It's probably the most beautiful aircraft in the world, or certainly in the top ten.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_05: That is a stunner.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, if I could have one of those.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_05: And a citron DS.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_05: That would be my French collection.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_05: That would be that would that would be ideal.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_05: Anyway, a chap called Michel Detroyas won the Thompson Trophy back in 1936, I think it was.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_05: So 90 years later, this flew at the display last weekend at La Fertilis, which is kind of like the French version of Old Warden.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_05: Which was just spectacular.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_05: As you can see, it's a brilliant, brilliant looking aircraft.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_05: Super fast.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_05: Originally the Renault engines, uh, an inverted six-cylinder inline engine developed 310 horsepower.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_05: The aircraft would fly at 310 miles per hour.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_05: One horsepower per mile per hour.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_05: It's pretty impressive.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_05: Interesting achievement, isn't it?
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_04: I and what I love about this though is um obviously, and this is a a replica that was built for a guy called Tom Wathan in California uh many years ago.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but what's amazing is that uh Renault clearly found some someone in the in the PR department I I think is dead into inf into aviation and went, let's make some budget, we're buying ourselves an aeroplane.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_05: I mean when you work for a corporate, I imagine there must be a little bit of a can we just do a little bit of good for the world here somewhere we can get this bit through.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_05: So they I'm sure corporates do lots of good for the world, but you know what I mean, a little bit of a side project.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so three years ago they brought I think they brought this over to to France and they've been working on getting it flying again.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_04: And um seems like they're gonna they're doing a bunch of display flying with it uh before it goes into a museum.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think they should I think I should jump in and fly over to Old Warden, frankly.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_04: That information with the comet would be amazing.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_04: I if anyone is listening who can make that happen, please.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's one shot in particular from from JM JMU as you call him.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um where it's sort of three-quarter front, it looks kind of menacing, almost U-boot like U-boat like, and it's well I I think that's because it's mostly fuselage with like these slivers of wings, isn't it?
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_05: And just this look the wing looks beautiful in it.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's just a beautiful wing.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_05: About this much forward visibility.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say, it can't be that easy to fly.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and the poor old pilot looks like he's wearing the windscreen.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_04: But no, that is magnificent.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_04: I think it is.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_04: It is fantastic.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_04: Well done, Renault.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and that just leaves me.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and uh we had an absolutely brilliant time at the first Popham barbecue, uh, flying barbecue of the season on an evening.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_04: Uh last Thursday, you and I went down there, I took the RV three, you were down there in the 180, and there were 70 visiting aircraft.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_04: Amazing Popham's busiest barbecue ever.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and I just have to say the staff at Popham, brilliant, the marshallers doing a fantastic job.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_04: And everyone who flew in just it was so easygoing, relaxed, it was a lovely vibe.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_04: Even the cues for the food weren't like you looked at it and thought, ooh, but actually it was always fast moving and everything was running really, really well.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_04: So um I if uh those are those barbecues are happening all through the summer now, I think until August, maybe September.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but third Thursday of the month.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um it's the one thing that Popham do ask you to PPR for, uh, just so that they know kind of numbers of how many sausages to order.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_04: But uh absolutely magnificent, just how a fly-in should be.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_04: And Popham just a wonderful place.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely, absolutely agreed.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_04: So, talking of other places, what other wonderful places, where can people go this weekend?
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we've already mentioned the the mole the annual mole flying up at Glen Falls up.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um but also this weekend there's the breakfast patrol flying at Sturgate.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_03: This is when you try and not tell the uh the airport you're flying in.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_04: That's it.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_04: And if you if you don't if you don't get spotted, then it's a free sausage, isn't it?
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_04: Something like that, yeah.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_04: Something like that.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_03: Free breakfast.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_03: But also this weekend it's the air show season really kicks off.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the Saturday there's Wings and Wheels at Shuttleworth, but there's the big ones, Midlands Air Festival at Alcester in uh Warwickshire.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and down in Devon, Painton, there's the English Riviera Air Show.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_05: That sounds very civilised, doesn't it?
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's a big place, big air show.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_04: Probably want to be near the coast for nice cool air.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_05: Brilliant.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_05: Well, on that basis, fly safely and enjoy your weekend.
• 48:05
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• 48:08
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• 48:16
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