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Steht das US-Imperium vor dem Ende? Warum der Iran-Konflikt alles verändert – Patrick Lawrence · Gegen den Strom

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You can have empire approd the western superiity or you can
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have democrasy at home empire and democrasy or self
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cancelling. You can not have bofs and the
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choice is beingmade not by citizens, but by there supported
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leaders. Is the west acelerating it's on
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the client by this wall. Gegen den Strom zur Person
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Hallo, bei gegen den Strom. Wir präsentieren Positionen und
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Perspektiven, welche die Propagandamedien verschweigen.
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Der New Yorker Buchautor, Journalist und Publizist Patrick
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Lawrence. War 30 Jahre lang mehr als 30
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Jahre lang rund um den Globus unterwegs, vor allem in Asien.
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Er hat gearbeitet für The Nation, the International,
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Harald Tribune und den New Yorker, er ist Autor zahlreicher
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Bücher, hat ein Buch geschrieben über Japan, eine
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Neuinterpretation, das viele Preise bekommen hat.
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Heute diskutieren wir über den Niedergang des Westens, das Ende
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des amerikanischen Imperiums, neue Kriege und den Zerfall des
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Journalismus. Hello Patrick Lawrence Great to
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have you. Here pleasure to see you again,
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Patrick. You road a Book in Two Thousand
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Thirteen America after the American century yes is the west
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right now in fool decline. It is some time's difficult for
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people ordinary people to detect the the surd of drift of
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history. What the French call the long do
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a, but the answer is as and my first thot about this is that
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this term d client is rederloaded term.
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But we should think about it carefully what is going on this
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drift of history is in my view net positive not only for the
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rest of the world, but also for americans and i trivary hard to
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remind them of this when have AI take when have a the apportunity
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coms you know. The American President Donald
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Trump that Resently consoning the Wall against Iron we bomb
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them back to the stone ages. What do you think about such a
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remalk? Many think is patrick first a
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wall it is bitter to for me as an american to listing to this
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language and. Put it put it against the way
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president customerally speak, it's it's degrading it's
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humiliating and it's it is assert of the nakedness of
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american aggression is now on the stakable i am not excusing
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preve is president. For the conductal, the inite and
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states, the inite and States has been in pursuit of global
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dominance since nineteen five. That's my date for this, but
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trump it's Trump and that is not live out the defense secretary
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hangsess was. Mercy, LIZ, brutality and so on
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some think quick wrong with that man, it's just so bold so so
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nekin so on a paul and jetic now right and ok, so undignifight
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there we are that's my word. And that's really brut it be
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bomb and back to the stone ages. That's the west the combind
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West. The American leader, the
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American hedgem on and it's wessels do you're a widing.
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A way. To hell for the hulward.
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Well, i want to return to my or leere point Patrick the way to
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hell i I'm justant in tirally that's that's teams to be we're
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we're had it now. But Let's go back to my are thot
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about d client. Ok, II think the d client of
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American Power relative to others is will turn out to be a
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very positive thing i get not only for the rest of the world,
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the the objektive Americas aggressions.
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But also for Americans, it will live to a grate burton from
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resolders when we finally conclud we're not the late of
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the world, we're not the alternate trutes we're not you
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know the end of history etc. And we allow other voices to be
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herd. We alow other perspektivs to
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interin to the global diskurs. It will be good for us in the
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main time as i argued it of books of years, a go after two
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thousand in one, we have twenty five years to deside if we would
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accept our. A new place in the global order
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imaginatively a little corragesly wisely it's been done
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before in history my exapulist the spetish or we would not
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accepted grasefally and we would mic a dredful massive things of
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violet massive Things. I'll Gate it twenty five virus
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from the attacks of September eleven and right on time.
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All a decision is pretty evident, we are info exactly the
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mest the painful mest that you suggest i'm going to say it
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after it a new water. Promerses to emerge, i I'm quate
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certing of this. Is book of a pangful mass like
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be think about this word. I See two results in the weston
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world coming more and more on the pressure, but those powers
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who intern to have a multipolar world and the reaktion is.
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The destruction of democracy in domestic policy and morwars in
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foring policy. A this bow factors two sites of
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the same. Metal you know that's that's go
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for the back from the two thousand and one.
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Ok, that's that's my date for the end of the socal of American
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Centrity etc. For that's go back for the we're
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talking about. We're talking about the end of
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five hundred years of western superiarity material superiarity
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that's what we're talking about right and this.
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This is this superiarity is is not go to be power is really if
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ever surrendered valentarity i suppose there case is, but this
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is not one of the ok so. A everything muss now go to the
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defence, the Defence of what in the end.
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It is the defence of power for it's on seke and in consequence
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domestic systems, welfare systems etc.
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The well, the common wealf of of populations must be sacifice
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look at what the look at what the Germans are doing the
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europeans in general, they're dismentaling what AD years of
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very admirable not perfect, but very admirable social systems in
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in the wave. What or another form of social
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demoquity they're dismentaling this white because they are
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building a military industrial complex as if to doplicate the
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americans, my formel is this and it's not original to me you can
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have empire abroad, the western western superiority.
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Or you can have democracy at home Empire and democracy or
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self cancelling, you can not have both and the choice is
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being made not by citizens, but by the leaders by there perport
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and leaders. For ins equatory macaruyo shot
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up you do you're guring the unix equity conferance and february
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this you with the santons with the speech.
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We had five hundred years in rich the west broad freedom and
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democracy over the world and welfare, then in nineteen forty
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five. The show was over and that the
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client began today, Präsident trump is trine to stop this
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decline and we one to return to. An h of Neo colonialism New Five
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hundred vid is of in a new American Central for the world.
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What do you think about that? II think it make it a lot is
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your to potacros the point, the the stupidity of this people is
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is use for the on display right, rubios referance to.
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Western Civilization and the superiority of the west and
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we're must restore this go's exackly to my point.
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I think he as is datesrogg in nineteen forty five the
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americans a number of a stud intellectuals riters.
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At that time at the time of the forty fight nineteen for to five
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victories luigi barsini is one of them.
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I think right his book Americans are alone in the world what to
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do Mean Hement American Power American dominant Mix is is
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unmatchable ok at that time we were.
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At one in the same moment a confident nation but a very
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anchus nation right, but that was not the end of civilization
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II think the last the last what's you like call at the last
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interum the last ayears of westion superiarity we're just
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beginning rubio heißt that completely roll.
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My date is two thousand and one. That's one i again.
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I that's one the american century end it that's my date
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right rather strangely persise strangely abroped right the end
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of the american century this famus frays that's one d client
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seriously begain what? Changeed from your porn of you.
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In September two thousand and one.
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Ok, good question. Thank you a till that time
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americans have falling into this so to psychological pattern toin
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be with this very well and his mamwars of his boyhood and
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atwardi in England history. Was a messi matter that happent
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other people ok that was the american attitude we we're amuen
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from history that's for this vokumention time, no longger we
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we're outside of time and outside of history and and the
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the kiatic events that befell other people get not apply to us
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suddenly in two thousand and one.
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We're face to face with the reality that we're not immune
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from history or the ravages of time.
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When we watch the buildings go down, perhaps we're not in
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amerika at the time, but the the collapse of the world trade
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tower, the smoke and so on. We play that over and over and
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over going on our tv screens. It was a kind of obsession for a
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lot of time they's weeks over in over right because that was what
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the literary people call and objektive co relative that was
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the. Material manufestation of
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something els what we will really watching was the calops
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of our psychological construct right.
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The calops of are confidance the calops of are a simptions of
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exceptional status I'm on nations right all of it was.
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It was a peer, it was the psychological colapse that we're
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really watching and it was from that time on word.
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I think that decline became on deniable remember, also the
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ninedies if you us the word if you us the frase american d
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client you are not welcome and public Diskurs.
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You're AD clanist right the being it d clanist you're you
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can't see that you're a sort of outside the tend right, but
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after two those in in one it be came it be came on deniable and
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so America was a kind of wund it animal and are conduct change as
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it as it does one and animal in the wild is wund it.
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In September 2000 and one President bush the second is or
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clame not criminal prosecution he proclaimed war on terror and
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a lot of was and regime change operations followed was this the
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right way was this the new American project.
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You know declaiming a war on terror is a is like to a
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proclaiming a war on fresh air or or happiness or something
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it's completely impossible that frase numers people of commented
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on this notable, a John widbeck the international, the tournee
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or living in pars this term as we say instrumentalized every
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sins how do you fate? The and abstraction like terror,
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you can't right and it became in excuse not to agress the
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realities behind ex of Terror. Ok, if I'm like i agress for
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another moment in the mons have two thousand in one, we
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americans wents through a really extraordinary interum.
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For the first time, i would say some of us started asking.
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Why did people want to attack those towers why did they one to
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strike a blow of this magnitude against America and Americans
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ok, what had we done this rückit questions and.
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Some of us begin to examin luke at the luke at the at how
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responsible we are for the conditions in the non west in
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many countries in the non west. Ok despotism iniquality
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deprovation. Et cetera et cetera.
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Right of the you know your usual third, we're stoff right what
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have we done to make those conditions possible this we're
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good questions but they're dangerous questions to the so
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call power e lead and what i I've again I've that was an
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exceptional little periant breetleans September.
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And the end of the year that what have and have to that
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create important bush two gape is first state of the union
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speech and Andy Allocation in in American politics Rate, and he
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declar the war on terror he declar the exes of Evil etc.
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Etc. The there was a very specific
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reason right, he gape that speech it was to pit and
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absolut. And to all such lines of
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inquiries i have disried you are was was us or you are was the
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terrorist right at this time. Amendame Amendame Pearl Game
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Articulated and extraordinary speech in this.
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I he was an academic ok, he's set to understand andy attemt i
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me get this right andy attemt understand terrorism is to
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sanction it is to approval it is to participate in it what it
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that he mean he's on term. We must de contextualize
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terrorism another word. We must not understanded in it's
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context extraordinary right, that's what that's my ass or
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here question right. So all the questions you
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menschened remained unanced yes, the cor questions remained
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unanced and stand of at. The universistate started a lot
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of regime change operations, a specially in them.
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It least Irak, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and the last contry
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in this row is i run a land on a tag today is this really a
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regime change operation that kenburg.
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No of cours not not of the work like at them like at app kind of
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stand and who is in power like at the unbelievable mess, we've
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created in seria, we've in staled a terrorist, they're
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know. Like I'd treking hands with the
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terrorist. That they they they've attacked
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all the. Very is minard is the the she
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it's the allawites and they're now attacking.
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Christians nothing is aversed right, but you're point is is
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barry usful patrick it puts e run in a historical context, you
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know it was have kind of stand it was e Rock.
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It was Syria, it was Libya, it was you're on this is of a pase
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was with this so this history. This post two thousand and one
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history there is one thing the post, two thousand and one
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americans can not accept and that is differance.
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You must be well bush two set it you're easer with us or with the
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terrorist and sins the roni ins or not with us, they're not
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against us sexy but sins they're not with us the and insist on
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the ron sovrantine independance we'll they must be terrorist.
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Like can that the capture operation in ira, not work.
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A. I don't think the ever really
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work on last we in stall someone like jolani in syria, but the
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ironi and system is a lotmore cohurrent then we them to be one
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to except we have persued it are selbst that the leadership in
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iron. Is University detested and we
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can i don't like this term, but we can decapitate the leadership
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right. Oh depos mortraditional term we
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can depos the leadership and he run and everyone with be free
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them to be com and american style democracy, and we would
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live have a have or they would right.
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It's not it's not the case. The government in the look,
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you're on in government this see a critic government has a lot of
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oponens I've Andy one who's bin there understands there's a lot
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of the restlessness there's a lot of discontent regarding the
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realid is nature of the leadership, but.
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It's a very complex system, the supreme leader do's not sit on a
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throne, allbyham self and d cree there there is a there is AA
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very complex system of interaktions and relationships
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that we. Can not easly see because we are
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we've convinstors of the the simplicity of of anortacrasy
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right. That's not going to that's
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system is not going to calapse right and a very simple truth
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you can see this just walking around in in around, they're
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maybe a lot of just content. I'm on the irony and people ok
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is sophisticate and people and if i main remark just briefly
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one of the things you see when your in iran is the.
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The the pean the people people feel at there isolation they
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would like to be part of the world.
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Because many people in iron all, we'll educate.
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We'll educate and you know it's a very advented culturance so on
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look at the painting, the films you know the dance the
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philosophy we just assassinated. Ari, Ari, Lari, Johnny Right,
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He'ro three books on cont right to a really learn it man right
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the supreme leader when i what the präsident when i was there
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was hotomy and extremly sophisticate in fellow who got
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is phg in germany right and this people it is painfill for them
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to be isolate it, but that's turn this over to finish or
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point. When a external power is exerded
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against the the running and nation it ross together, it's a
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perfitly normal trust people should understand and that's
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what's happened now. Misscalculated the Teep Trump
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the Situation on the estimated washington the problems they
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would have to face in an attack on iron.
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Ja. Look at what the Trump regime
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how the Trump Regime is handling it's international Relations he
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has two New York landlords leading the gociations and will
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have to with that in quotation marks with the russians and the
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ronians or i what is this what is this about whitcof and.
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Jared Kushner, Trump, Son in Law, they know nothing about
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picker the Top Picker they know nothing about Russia they know
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nothing about Russian culture history sensibilities
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prospektive on the well they're not investment there all was
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there to do only what they do as new york landards that's like a
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deal. Right, we're not interested and
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how we you look at that. We think just what do you one,
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here's what we one to completely two dimensional there's it's
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unbelibely primitu it's the same was the ron do you think for a
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moment this people understand and he think of what we're
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talking about patrick the history of the ron the the
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suffestication the sensibility of the people the economy of the
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culture. Et cetera right the the the
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sense of identity that's make a deal.
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I have to remark a two journalist talking together
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since Trump Kamin to office the mainstream media, they're have a
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talk about they know right and he more about the standard words
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right and agreement apect and acord this terms right i.
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Gruup in journalism using these terms that are right about a
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cords or packs or agream is that they right about deals, we're
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going to make a deal with the your runins it's going to two
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dimensional you know, i'm your landlord II want eighty dollars
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more on the rent so we have to make a deal right, i don't care
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who you are how you like a living or andy they outs we're
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going to make a deal. That's that's how this it it's a
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conducting stage. Craft of if if if what they're
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doing is evan of desers the term.
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Which'side increase the pressure to start this war tella Viva
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Washington. A complicate in topic, a lot of
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people, they're men, they're a couple of they're sevral
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prospekt ofs on this, my on is that the is realies.
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Pushed trump into this now that's be careful.
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There are people who are you the is rallies pushed the American
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jinto the Rock invasion the the Syrian mess of canistan the is
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rallies the is rallies, that's not one away with this, but in
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in the iran case. It's upbies that net in yahoo
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trumped it urged trump to do this to will out this ok, but i
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have to ad for a quickly. I'm not sure home andy this will
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like to stay was Trump for a moment ok, he's he's we've mus
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never forget he's been purgeest by the signist super doners and
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lobby's. In the United States, he's he's
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a creture of this people, a lot of money you know a bidentuck
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five $1000000,00 i think is the figure five point one $1000000
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from the sign is lobby's apack and so for the figure for trump
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is a hundred 1000000 from a marian adelson ok, so that's not
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forget that. But and Trump my signal of an
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all this of all this decisions, but I'm not sharies making them
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II think the my ensor is this the is reallies led trump into
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this, but i don't think the policy clicks in washington what
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have going along with it. We're it not in this, we're it
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did it not surf the imperium on it's on you know the words
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that's say that's they that in yahoo or prsuit in Trump that
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we's a takeover mexico or francer you have no it it would
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in the go but. It e ran it fit you know it fits
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the interest of the bankers, it fits the interest of the oil
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companies, the military industrial complex and know the
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words the is really's prompted this invasion that andyago
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howmony trips to washington in the first year, a Trumps
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Administration seven and i oh six or seven, but it fits with
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the interest of of the Empire. That's it, it's not it's not
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that simpel to pars this out. With the idea of netanyahu of a
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grata, israel fits the interests of the empire because the empire
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needs oil and wanted to to cut clames worldwide to ocupy
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mineral areas. And Geo strategic connectivities
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like the panama chel and there is behind and upcoming enemy
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from the Perspektive of the Empire that's China, which
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reasons do you see the depa reasons.
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The root calls is off this conflict.
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We'll again that's go back to my really are thesis sins, two
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thousand and one we have bin in that's say a defensive crouch
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ok, we we are so bluminally we are it can not be just gast
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openly we have in Amerika what i call the grate unsayable ok
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there there are things you can say.
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But there's a very grate unsayable things that can not be
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set. Ok, so among the grate
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unsayable's in amerika is that we are going to loose are
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position of primity to rising powers china first amongnum.
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What all the Deep Corses of this war against iron I've also about
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China. Minerals the Strate of Hormers
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SA PART of International Global Connectivity.
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Beenies the avias motivations here i can e ran insists on it's
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owenty this is not akzeptable to the late.
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Imperium, the late face imperium ok, but be need this good
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question. Luke it what the non western
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Powers Russian China first India ok, also luke it what they have
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been diving with iran over the last what teniers maybe fewer.
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The Chinese I think it was two thousand twenty for made of for
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hundred $1000000 billion dollar commitment with the ironians a
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HUD investment agreement infrastructure industrial
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development, technology, communications and support iran
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is a variimportant to Chinas Belt and road Initiative.
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Like it the russians, they're planning ordy building assert of
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transport and communications channels from from running from
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st. Petersburg and ending in Bombay,
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Mumbai, running three run this are hud.
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Project that will draw together major non westor in powers and
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be extrem the important to the emergance of the non west as in
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independant pole of pole of power in a multipoler world.
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Ok, so you know i I'll road about.
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The emergens of the new world order i have reton about the
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emergens of a new world order, many many times and this varius
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project some talking about and washington theme completely
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oblubius to this things, but it it is not.
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I think the cor motivations here probably lie.
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In in what we're discusting at this moment, the call the the
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the convalessance of of of this nonwestern powers in in a in a
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economic political diplomatic sort of unity.
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You Know II think the Policy Keys mehr of in silent about all
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this, but II think that's probible what lies be on the
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invasion. Of we run.
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Just that mean that the hedom on in washington trice to stop this
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strategic planning of china and russia by creating chaos in a
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midleast. Ja, a very deerfent of mine.
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There's a he's no longer with us sadly.
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We market that sins two thousand and one the American.
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Roll in the world is not as the bilder or constructor or
39:08
developer of anything new. The American Roll is spoiler
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it's to it's to destroy prevent the.
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Weal of history from turning are are roll is intirity in negative
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now and the emergance of the non west non west and powers there's
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like different, but china, russia iran in india there's a
39:46
different many ways, but there all emergant and our position is
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to it's for a sad. Is is to prävent there
39:58
development as thirly is. We can't right.
40:03
That's have a lot on the aranian reaction on the attack on the
40:09
israelian american eatoming a Iranian political scientist
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Professor Morandi. Yes.
40:16
A tobed in an Interview we are reacting in an asymmetric.
40:22
And timely calibrated way we don't fight the bombs.
40:30
We are fighting the American bases and all a guest facilities
40:37
and the galpstates and we are including step by step in the
40:42
hooties in gm to block the connectivity of the west on
40:48
world. What we you think about that?
40:51
I think the irony and soph proof and farm or sophisticate, then
40:56
this fullish people in washington ever imagient i think
41:00
washington you know the policy clicks in Washington, the Trump
41:05
regime rubio hexest and so fors had e ron down as just another
41:15
incompetent third world nation right.
41:19
With no sophistication no no capabilities by away of
41:24
statecraft strategy and and they have bin proven they have bin
41:31
stunt to discover. This is a nation that no's how
41:37
to think things to row it's a virial civilization we're to are
41:42
infusly right that's take this is deped a time.
41:47
I think of the term is esculation dominance it it the
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psord of military strategic terror we.
41:56
Has the esculation dominance? The runny and's have it right
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they they are ineposition to say ok, what is next here.com or
42:08
messles and here.com more drones, what is next the?
42:17
Dominant opinion, I'm westioners we're thinking about this is
42:25
that they are makeing us of there military capabilities very
42:34
carefully not all that one's right and chusing there targets
42:41
very very carefully. Meaning they can system this for
42:48
along time and we get. So the alpcom for the west on
42:56
economies and the financial, the global financial system is youj.
43:01
Oh. Incrising all prices Depression
43:05
in West on economies the break up of interconnectivities.
43:13
And so the refinancing of States like the American States, a
43:21
geting more and more difficult is the west accelerating.
43:27
It's on the client by this wall was.
43:29
Outquestion dadric look with this lesson was german strated
43:37
berry clearly in the seventies with the.
43:43
To oil crisies the if the price of oil goes up the price of
43:50
everything goes up the price of unions the price of taping
43:55
paper. The price of Arm chers the price
43:58
of everything goes up if the price of oil goes up, we are oil
44:02
based economies for bedarara words, right prices, go up and
44:10
then. The central banks or face with
44:13
an inflation problem that means interstrate go up and when we're
44:20
interstrate go up that means an inflation problem becomes a gros
44:28
problem right. Oil oil prices go up in flation
44:35
goes up. We just controll inflation when
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we controll inflation, we we depress gros ja you know this is
44:46
you know this is problem, we'll take it's plays in the textbooks
44:51
as the way another empire, the clime going back to given in the
44:55
fall of rome, the britis the portugies is banis the britis.
45:01
This is how it is. That means we are faceing a
45:05
century of new. War's New, war's a century White
45:11
you see a century? A thard about that the client of
45:16
the roman empire and i find that are five centuries of war.
45:23
And. What do you think do do be have
45:26
to face five centuries of war's? Things have in a lot more
45:32
quickly now, and then they think that.
45:33
Was the idea be on. If I'm can look at the turn of
45:39
our century, I'm remember thinking this or that phanomen
45:44
on is coming. It will take twenty or thirtee
45:49
years over the cors of the first viears or centry at I'm remember
45:55
being very surprise, what I've not was kind of take thirtee.
46:00
Is happening in ten or aid. It's the velosity of change the
46:08
velot that's that's have a frase here the the velosity of the
46:13
clime is much grator, then i realist.
46:20
I think much grator that a lot of people realists a century of
46:24
wars no i'm going to. As we're your discust patrick,
46:30
we're not going to do this grase for lee corages lee amaginate to
46:35
lee we're going to do it messely violent lee visual lee, but i
46:42
don't think is going to take a century.
46:45
A short of times lot. Yes.
46:49
That's hope. What we know twenty twenty, I
46:55
don't think will recking nice the world.
46:58
As it is at that time, you know we'll look back and say who
47:05
would have a minute and things at comed to this so quickly.
47:10
Kind ofly we see to full scale wars the one in them it least
47:16
and the other one on the going to you can do you see a link
47:22
between this two war fertes. Yes, i think so they are both
47:32
the america is losing both of them looka that's put it this
47:38
the you fame war is are the last i I've have that down is lost
47:45
for mors and a year right, what's can't galing on for the
47:49
past here a reven more is is just and exercise in denial
47:55
right. In the biddle East investage as
48:00
i for photocolate right if evan of we winness, we've lasted
48:06
we've lasted already in terms of Americas position in the world
48:13
in terms of americas relationships right.
48:20
We've oredy softered gratly I'm not talking about missles and
48:25
drones and apartment buildings. I'm talking about the damage
48:29
America has infliced in apparented self by doing this by
48:36
way of it's position in the international Community, we've
48:41
lasted we you know we are not in a we merch from this well.
48:46
Do you have an idea right? The European leaders can not
48:51
accept that they last to war in Ukraine.
48:56
That's think this through that's interesting.
49:04
The Ukraine war was the Work of Biden Joe Biden in his.
49:14
Not allly Döring is Presidency. He have the ucrane portfolio
49:20
döring the Obamaed ministration and it was döring the obamaed
49:25
ministration that we that the United States begin contivating.
49:33
The the circumstance is that produested the war in two
49:38
thousand twenty two. The Russian intervention in two
49:43
thousand twenty to we purpesty purpesty provoped that if you
49:48
want to go back fursor then the q in two thousand for team with
49:53
was our work also you crane was you crane was the Objekt of.
50:03
Of American strategy from the Moment of became in depended in
50:07
nineteen ninety one we want to internet right the the original
50:14
constitution, the ukrains protlomation of independance as
50:21
they called it in nineteen ninety one planed neutrality we
50:26
will be eternity a nutron nation that was.
50:33
Subsequent to that proflamation it was in corporated ins of the
50:36
constitution, so the American project from neftime unward was
50:41
to knock that principal over the präsident of you crane, who was
50:51
deposed in two thousand forteen. Janukovic.
50:55
Janakovic he was an nutralist he he was in favor of.
51:02
You crane meet remaining nutral that was what he was all about
51:09
one. He refused the EU offer for
51:14
integration and so for thrate the accounts of this in the
51:18
westinpressor word was that's what he was doing and with by
51:26
the posing him we scruped the principal of neutrality.
51:32
Right off the table in new crane ok, and this is this is we're at
51:43
went right. That the client of the west but
51:47
goes along not alone with new wars, but also with AD client of
51:53
democrasy in domestic policy, check the report of the US
52:00
congress on. Sensorship in the eu in this
52:05
report is stated that the European Commission manipulated
52:10
8 elections in eu countries and the american platform companies
52:17
in the internet, we're forest by the eu commission by as red of
52:26
punishment in a in a mount of billions to.
52:31
Manage information with mensch to sensor information and to
52:36
stop so callt disinformation what do you think about that?
52:42
I think it goes back to you're really orquestion ok wire is or
52:46
wire of the europeans so upsest with the Ukraine war ok, i think
52:52
as in American, I'm going from the outside to not so we see to
52:57
understand, but so far is i can make out.
53:01
The europeans or completely lacking in imagination and any
53:10
cents of ortonomy independance from a American Policy Sins, So
53:17
Sins The war Sins Sins Fortif in The Socal American Security
53:23
Umbralla the European Leadership One Generation After and other.
53:29
Last there ability to think for them.
53:32
Selbst as you know what Havel and other's have hoped you're up
53:39
with be com and independance sert of third way right between
53:44
the great powers that they last there ability to think for them
53:49
selbst II don't me to oversiple by is.
53:52
This a new kackis trucafy the government of the wirst.
53:58
And siliest. Ja, i think so right and away to
54:02
yes. I think so when the Americans
54:09
wipped up this latest round latest of mini rounds of of
54:16
fanatical ruso phobia the European leadership, the so call
54:22
centrist invested very have a unit.
54:26
And now, they can't that there they're like there're frozen
54:29
there, they're paralise they don't know what i'll to do the
54:35
europeans are now more upsest was Russia and the american sing
54:39
to be is for a strange to like at as an American right.
54:43
And to they the European Commission is also sanctioning
54:48
it's on people european citizen's all centrent like he's
54:55
an dolu. In Germany also European
55:00
Citizen, German Citizens like alina Lip and Europa and at the
55:06
sametime swiss Citizens livering and brusals like Colonel Jacques
55:11
bo, is this a part of Warfare, a part of martial love.
55:20
Was out any question? I think the European message.
55:26
It like be easy for me to say the europeans you're going for
55:30
us in the americans with all this right, but i don't think so
55:34
i think in suquestion of methid in the European case, it is
55:38
being done this suppression, this drift toard martial on i
55:44
think that we agree that that's where we're had it is more a
55:49
matter of. Actually statuts right the law
55:54
right as we're sign last not or reginner it's lawlessness in the
55:59
name of law america is not passing laws like that the trump
56:03
regime with like to, but it's just to question of different
56:07
metins right manipulation of the inno, the the social media.
56:15
Platforms or manipulations of this sort right, and then we
56:20
have the the Trump regimes obuses of the justice judicial
56:28
system and sofers, but it's not it's not the same.
56:32
It's not of word statues the way it is in europe, this is what
56:36
strikes me. It's this a way to transform
56:41
parlamentarian, so call democrasies.
56:45
In to a new system of all tecrasy.
56:49
Yes of cours, that's they was so call if you when my right, my
56:54
term is the post democrases we don't have democrases in the
56:58
more we have post democrases we have meaning meaning not to make
57:04
lot of it meaning we have the forms elections we love
57:10
elections i some one point it out who was it.
57:15
Rosa Luxemburger somebody like that if you're lotions made and
57:19
the differents we would be all out to have them right, so we
57:22
have the elections we have parties everything in American
57:28
media is two the filter of the repop to can's one this and the
57:32
democrans one this and is in it diffriculted and so fars.
57:37
But we are hed it toured these are different styles.
57:41
The Gemacrats in America have one style and the and the
57:45
republikans have another style, but there all about the same
57:49
thing and we are hed it toured ja assoritarian regimes of of
57:58
varius. Kinds it will look different in
58:01
Germany that it does in America. We'll like different in france
58:05
in britan, but you that's it's it's so stepping back II your
58:11
drum are viewers to do this step back like it the big picture and
58:16
that's. In he like to be we are, we are
58:20
hit it. Do you have an idea how to stand
58:23
up to those measures those sanktions how can we have and
58:29
support for example jugbu or he's say do we in burn?
58:36
I think the firsting we have to grate question i's a lot of
58:41
people are one, they what can i do what i do are are find here.
58:46
In swisterland put it this way how this one live with dignity
58:55
and integrity in the conditions that now privail what are we
59:04
supposed to do how to we preserve or humanity?
59:08
What Struck me one are friend as disquestion was?
59:12
We are in the same position as german's there in the nineteen
59:15
thirties that was the question many german's how how do we how
59:21
do we live of principal and integrity in the face of things?
59:27
I am powerless to at a dress you know that's are question last of
59:35
people have have have this question on there mind and.
59:43
I think the the simple anser the sert of headline anser is see
59:52
you out what you can do and do it how we're small.
59:58
I think that from crake murry, the farmer, British Diplomat and
1:00:04
no prominent commentator. See you're out your means of
1:00:11
resistance and resist right and it will be different for all of
1:00:16
us. I'm sitting her talking deal
1:00:18
because i think i think it out my means of resistance.
1:00:22
Figar out your means of resistance and resistance, this
1:00:29
is something the mainstream press exitly doesmt do mwy.
1:00:35
Ja. Abter two thousand and one on I
1:00:42
sound a bit repetitive here, but so much of what we so much of
1:00:49
the world as we have it takes is charakter from the post two
1:00:56
thousand and is we defin is post two thousand and one right at
1:01:02
that time. The western Media we're call to
1:01:08
pone remember we're on terror you're with us or you're with
1:01:13
the terrorist and son the western media we're recruted
1:01:19
willingly in listed in the service of power in the service
1:01:26
of late face Imperial power, the west, the west asumed it's.
1:01:32
Defense of crouches i Menschen derlia and the media willingly
1:01:39
inlisted in this. They know longer evan pretend
1:01:47
this is one of the things that shocks me about my profession,
1:01:52
the relationship of media to power was not a healthy one for
1:01:58
a very longtime. The idea of media as an
1:02:02
independant poled of power was an a given society was had
1:02:09
colapse the long time of oh, but they don't if in pretend in
1:02:13
emore the assumption is our job is to reflect is to re reproduce
1:02:25
for the public. The version of Reality.
1:02:29
That the power structure is dictading, that's are roll,
1:02:37
that's what we're posted to do and if we do with well, we're a
1:02:39
good journalist. What do you're rickoman to the
1:02:44
professional locking nan professionals in our profession.
1:02:48
The roll of independant media a topic, I'm always very happy to
1:02:53
return to is is. Extremly important at this point
1:03:01
UNI have touched on this before, perhaps over responsibilities,
1:03:08
we're doing at right now. Patrick out our responsibility
1:03:12
as intipendant practitioners gros larger by the day.
1:03:18
The Run war a perfect example if you read the mainstream press,
1:03:23
you can not tell what is going on right if you read independant
1:03:28
media, you can you can read ja the bases the bases in the
1:03:36
American bases investage i have been desimated right the
1:03:41
evakuate it thousens of soldiers and sellers you can't read that
1:03:45
in the western media. Right, so it's just a small
1:03:50
example of a we're a larger for nominon the roll of independant
1:03:55
media gros larger every day far outside to are resource is i
1:04:01
will's a right, but that's ok, that's it, we're responsibility
1:04:06
is art as grate is i'm arguing and what and people do i think
1:04:12
in corporation or rekurs. A refrance to independ media
1:04:18
becoms evermore essential for readers and viewers the.
1:04:25
West is in ful die client. This sold so the client of
1:04:29
democracy and journalism this patrick lawrence.
1:04:33
Thank You Ray Much der Westen ist im Niedergang, dies ist auch
1:04:38
ein Zerfall von Demokratie, auch ein Zerfall der Journalisten
1:04:43
errät. Patrick Lawrence rät den
1:04:45
Menschen, denkt darüber nach, Widerstand zu leisten und
1:04:49
leistet Widerstand, das sehen sie auf gegen den Strom, denn
1:04:54
wir zeigen Perspektiven und Positionen.
1:04:58
Welche die Propaganda Medien verschweigen.