Latest / Foul Territory / Baseball America’s Farm System Rankings, Stuff+ Rankings, Giants reunite w/vets, Guards payroll problems

Transcript

Baseball America’s Farm System Rankings, Stuff+ Rankings, Giants reunite w/vets, Guards payroll problems · Foul Territory

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Top end talent is very important in this en roo
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Kie Sasaki being our number one prospect in the gang
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: is enough to help a farm system really leap.
• 0:08
  Speaker 2: Up, all right. So this is a big stat in
• 0:17
  Speaker 2: the front office world these days, and some front offices
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: probably have their own model of this. But this is
• 0:21
  Speaker 2: the public information that we get that you know, Cyrus
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: and some of his friends work on, and it's updated
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: right now on fangrafts that they constantly do tweaks. It's
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: pretty complicated stats put together, but it just helps to
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: tell you how good the stuff is from pitchers in
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. So here's the stuff plus rankings guys
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: from twenty twenty four. They just finished the list with
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: the tweaks that they made. Garrett Crochet is one, Hunter
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: Green and Corbyn Burns tied for two, and then tied
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: after that our Dylan ce Centerrek Scougel. Then it's Schemes
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: Carlos for don Zach Wheeler, Cole Reagan's and Aaron Savali.
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: That's the shaker on the list.
• 1:03
  Speaker 3: What a value.
• 1:06
  Speaker 4: What a value?
• 1:07
  Speaker 5: But I thought when we talked to Chuck Garfuncle, he said,
• 1:10
  Speaker 5: Garrett Crochet is the reason why the White Sox stunk
• 1:12
  Speaker 5: last year, but he's got the best stuff plus model.
• 1:15
  Speaker 5: I don't understand. I'm super confused. Hunter Green was having
• 1:18
  Speaker 5: a great year at Corbyn Burns obviously sees.
• 1:19
  Speaker 4: We know school boy knows schemes. We know rode On.
• 1:21
  Speaker 5: You're right, Aaron Savali came out of nowhere to be
• 1:24
  Speaker 5: what tenth on this list?
• 1:26
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 1:27
  Speaker 5: I'd love to know this is calculated. We need you know,
• 1:29
  Speaker 5: Son to explain it to me because it Scott. I
• 1:33
  Speaker 5: didn't go to college like Scott, so I'm gonna need it.
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: In Layman's terms, Yeah, that the people who put this
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: together were not getting bottle service in South Beach because
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: they were on computers. But those computer nerds need to
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: help us out with this. But it is a big
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: deal stat in the analytics in the pitching world. Right,
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: How good is the stuff that you have?
• 1:53
  Speaker 3: It's a good indicator. I read about it one time
• 1:56
  Speaker 3: and it is so confusing. It's about extension, perceivable spin
• 2:02
  Speaker 3: and like axis spin and all that stuff goes in
• 2:06
  Speaker 3: to me. If you're on this list and you're not
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: getting swings and misses, the Dodgers or the Rays are
• 2:11
  Speaker 3: going to pick you up and they're gonna be like, hey,
• 2:13
  Speaker 3: this is why you're not We need to do this more.
• 2:15
  Speaker 3: That's where they get. That's what they get out of this.
• 2:18
  Speaker 5: My question is is why have we not come up
• 2:21
  Speaker 5: with some crappy bull crap stat and just been like, hey,
• 2:24
  Speaker 5: those are the top ten in this and then people
• 2:26
  Speaker 5: Mike start getting paid from it. We need to come
• 2:28
  Speaker 5: up with some stat that we can just make up
• 2:30
  Speaker 5: because some of these things that's just like, oh.
• 2:32
  Speaker 2: But this this is a good stat.
• 2:37
  Speaker 5: Our stat won't be our stab won't be made up either.
• 2:39
  Speaker 5: It'll be a real stat. But we can make it
• 2:41
  Speaker 5: whatever we want to make it.
• 2:43
  Speaker 3: Good fellas plus plus ft plus mm hmm.
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: Big big day in the Baseball America world. We bring
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: on JJ Cooper from BA and I host a show
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: with him every week called Hot Sheet on the Baseball
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: America channel. You can find that just type NBA Baseball
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: America obviously, so you also get yourself a subscription. This
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: is the time of year to do it. Happy team rankings,
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: Farm System rankings day to you, JJ, So give us
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: the goods. What's getting all the attention right now?
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: And it was posted, I would say the thing is
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: getting the most attention is is we have the Dodgers three,
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: and man fans love to hate on the Dodgers right now,
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, geez, you're doing it again. You're getting
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: paid by the Dodgers. Which the funny part about that
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: is we haven't had the Dodgers number one in our
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: rankings since twenty sixteen, which was Seeger Bellinger Bueler. I
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: think we were pretty good on that one. But the
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: Red Sox being number one is also very significant. Roban Anthony,
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: Christian Campbell, Marcelo Meyer. The top of this list for
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: the Red Sox is stacked, and that has them at
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: number one, which is the first time we've been ranking
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say we. Alan Simpson on through us here
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: now at Baseball America have been ranking at Baseball America
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: the farm system since nineteen eighty four. First time we've
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: ever had the Red Sox number one. Kind of a
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: little bit of a Mayo culpa on that, you know,
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: maybe we should have had it with that year that
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: Muki and all were there. But yeah, the Red Sox
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: are number one, the Tigers are number two, and the
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: Tigers have never been that high in our farm system
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: rankings ever as well. Actually, It's probably a little bit
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: even more significant because the Tigers have rarely been in
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: the top ten in our farm system rankings over the years,
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: and the Dodgers at three. When we did this for
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: the Prospect Handbook, they were ten. They signed Roki Sasaki.
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: Since then that moved them up to three, which does
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: tell you the way we do this.
• 4:38
  Speaker 4: We try to.
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: Blend actual you know, running up numbers and putting values
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: on players with a little bit of making sure that
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: everything seems to match upright. Top end talent is very
• 4:51
  Speaker 1: important in this, and Roki Sasaki being our number one
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: prospect in the game is enough to help a farm
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: system really leap up.
• 5:00
  Speaker 4: It's not fair.
• 5:01
  Speaker 5: It's not fair if you can't have a guy come
• 5:03
  Speaker 5: over that's pitch for five years or whatever, four years
• 5:06
  Speaker 5: in the Japanese League and be the number one prospect.
• 5:08
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, JJ, we love you, but that's not fair.
• 5:11
  Speaker 5: So really, but I want to dig into that's why
• 5:13
  Speaker 5: the Dodgers went from ten to three is because of
• 5:16
  Speaker 5: Roki Sazaki, right, that was the big jumper. But I'm
• 5:18
  Speaker 5: just disappointed the White Sox they're four. I've heard for
• 5:22
  Speaker 5: a year or two year now that they're supposed to
• 5:23
  Speaker 5: be the number one farm system.
• 5:25
  Speaker 4: So what happened.
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: Ideally, if Colson Montgomery or some of these other guys
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: had kind of taken another step forward last year, maybe
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: they could be there. But Noah Schultz great, great pitching prospect.
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: At the same time, the next time Noah Schultz throws
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: five innings in a game will be the first time
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: as a pro. So there's a being top five is
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: a big deal for them. I would say they were
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: bottom bottom tier not that many years ago. But at
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: the same time, if you look at them and say
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: compare them, they have a lot of depth now because
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: all the trades, but you would like to see a
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: little bit more top end ready to make big league
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: impact talent than they have. They have some guys who
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: are gonna step in, I would say in twenty twenty five,
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, But again, the guys like Montgomery, who's
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: still a good prospect but did not have a great
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: year last year in tripa A are kind of what
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: holds them back from being higher on this list.
• 6:18
  Speaker 4: Can you say what you just said again about Noah Schultz?
• 6:21
  Speaker 4: What did you just say about him?
• 6:22
  Speaker 5: He's been in the minor league system for two years now,
• 6:25
  Speaker 5: over two years.
• 6:26
  Speaker 4: What was your quote?
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: You just said, I'm not gonna make sure we go
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: next time he throws five innings. We're waiting for that
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: because he has the.
• 6:33
  Speaker 4: First time in his career. What are we doing? You
• 6:38
  Speaker 4: follow this? What are we doing?
• 6:39
  Speaker 5: They wonder why pitchers can't go deep into games and
• 6:42
  Speaker 5: they can't go past like one hundred and forty innings.
• 6:44
  Speaker 5: This guy's been in the minor leagues for over two years.
• 6:46
  Speaker 5: What is he not going six to seven innings? I
• 6:49
  Speaker 5: don't just I don't know.
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: I would say I feel like that this is something
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: that is we're starting to finally see this tack back
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: to letting guys throw. I remember studying this in twenty eleven,
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: looking at when Archie Bradley and Dylan Bundy were the
• 7:05
  Speaker 1: hot young prep pitchers who had just been drafted, and
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: that was when the Orioles were doing, Hey, we're just
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: gonna let Dylan Bundy throw three innings. I don't care
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: if he throws three perfect innings. We're pulling him. And
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: they were doing that because they wanted to try to
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: help keep him healthy, and then he blew out two
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: years later. The MLB study which I know was kind
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: of more of a survey, but in talking to experts
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: who are studying this, they made the point that there's
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: really it's kind of impossible to find any correlation between
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: strictly limiting innings at this level and increased health. I mean,
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: you look a couple of years ago, well, guys, five
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: years ago, five six years ago, now, I remember that
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: was that year that the Rangers decided they weren't going
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: to have any of their pictures that they drafted. That
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: your top pitching prospects pitched that year because they wanted
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: to work with them and keep them healthy, and every
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: one of them blew out, like I mean, every one
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: of them had Tommy John surgery. I do think that
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: we're starting to head back towards the idea of if
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: you're going to pitch in the big leagues, you need
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: to pitch. And that was one of the things I
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: really loved about Paul Schemes. Those things made me feel
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: good about Paul Schemes. When the Pirates draft of them
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: is some people may have looked at it and said, man,
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: this guy's throwing one hundred and twenty pitches, he's going
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: eight he's going nine innings. He demonstrated he could do
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: that and maintain his stuff, which meant when he hit
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: the big leagues, it wasn't something where this was a
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: shock to the system. This was something he'd already been
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: prepared to do.
• 8:29
  Speaker 3: So you're saying they should throw more, not less. And
• 8:33
  Speaker 3: in six years, when Paul Schime stays healthy, every organization
• 8:37
  Speaker 3: is going to go to everybody has to throw one
• 8:39
  Speaker 3: hundred and ten pitches, right JJ.
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: I mean I would say one hundred and ten. Maybe
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: there maybe some guys who can't, you know. And that's
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: why some of the this is where this always gets
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: tough to study, right, because some guys are being held
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: to limits because that's what the organizational policy is. And
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: some guys are being held to strict limits because they're
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: being held together with a little bit of duct tape.
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: And you know, some you know some some you know
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: joint compound or whatever, and there is you know that
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: there's a little mix of that. But at the same time,
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: it does seem like if you look at you know,
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: some organizations are now letting guys pitch a little bit more.
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: The Braves are one that kind of comes to mind
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: as far as letting their guys pitch. You know, I
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: think that we're going to see more organizations go that
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: way because they're realizing. I think they're going to realize
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: more and more. You can't have guys hit the big
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: leagues and then say it's the same way when we
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: talk about relievers. I don't understand why any organization would
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: ask a relief pitcher to make their first back to
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: back appearances in the big leagues. Figure that out in
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: high A, figure that out in double A, figure that
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: out in triple A. Figure out how you're going to
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: be a reliever who carries a big league workload without
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: the pressure of being a big big league reliever. And
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: that has been something that is it really helpful to
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: keep guys healthy all through the miners so that they
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: blow out when they try to figure out how to
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: do this in the majors.
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: Well, JJ, you make the prospect lists. There's no such
• 10:11
  Speaker 3: thing as a prospect reliever.
• 10:13
  Speaker 4: In the miners.
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: They're all starters and then they become relievers. So that's
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: part of the reason. But you talk about duct tape
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: and gum holding things together. Let's talk about the bottom
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: three teams on your list twenty eight, twenty nine and thirty.
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: Which of these teams is most surprising the lack of
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: depth in their prospect rankings based on past history or
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: based on the fact that, like they're normally not at
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: this level at this spot in your rankings, I.
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: Would say the people are most angry. The fans are
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: most angry about the Braves being there, and they think
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: that we hate the Braves. You know, in our farm
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: system rankings, which I will note, we had the Braves
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: number one back to back years with the Akunya Alb's
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: Swanson Riley group and they were top five every year
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty one. You know, the
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: farm systems thinned out, and part of it is the
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: international penalties that they've faced. Part of it is they've
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: had a lot of pitching injuries and they've made some traits. Again,
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's bad necessarily. The Braves have a
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: fully locked in line up pretty much with the exception
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: of shortstop and maybe well they've signed a guy now
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: but one outfield spot long term, and with that being
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: the case, they're in decent shape. The one that obviously
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: jumps out, I would say, if I'm an Angels fan,
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: it's pretty rough to see that you're number thirty. I
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: do think that this year. We have years where the
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: gap between thirty and twenty five on this list is massive,
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: and there are other years where it's more compressed. This
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: is a year it's a little more compressed. The Angels
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: do have a couple of top hundred prospects, they do
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: have some other prospects who aren't that far off of
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: the list, But the reality of it is is it
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: thins out pretty quick. And you know, the other part
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: of this is is that, yeah, if you're an Angels fan,
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: you can say, well, if we still had zach Meadow,
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: we've had no Shanuel still prospect eligible, the rankings would
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: look better, which is one hundred percent true. But at
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: the same time, it is also hard to see kind
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: of how this is working for the angel So far.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: They're pushing guys really fast, and in the case of that, oh,
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: that's been really good. But in the case of Shanuel,
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we've seen like yet a payoff
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: for pushing a guy so fast. He is holding his
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: own in the big leagues, but he's kind of that's
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: all we've seen so far. He hasn't taken that next step,
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: and the Angels being the angels right now need some
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: guys to take some next steps.
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: When you made your ranking system and your formula, that
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: you made it and then you put it in and
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: you put all the teams in, what teams surprised you
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: the most? Where it stood out, whether it was somebody
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: that ended in the middle that you thought was a
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: basement team or somebody you thought was a top level
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: team that ended in the middle.
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: Somewhere, you know something in there.
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: It's gonna seem weird to say this because there's still
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: six but I like the raise system better than that myself.
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: And again this is always I did the race system
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: for us, so you know those systems that you do
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: really well. But if you told me that this system
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: ended up being significantly better than where we have it
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: ranked right now as the season goes along, when it's
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: pressed me at all, because we've used the studies of
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: people who've looked at this. You know, we use the
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: drive line valuation method kind of as a starting point
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: for this, but there's other evaluation studies have gone on
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: over the layers kind of make the point you want
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: stars right, like if the Royals produced Bobby Witt junior.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: That's huge for the Royals. We've seen that if you
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: can produce impact players, the Reds producing Ellie d la
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: Cruz is huge for them. That's more the important than depth.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, when you look at depth,
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: kind of you evaluate depth differently. Depth is everyone has
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: some prospects who are interesting. I do think this race system,
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: after all the trades they made it the deadline last year,
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: has you know, they have twelve thirteen guys who I
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: could make a case for US top hundred prospects right now,
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: and there aren't really many other organizations, any other organizations
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: I could probably say that about so there's six. I
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: probably would have them higher myself. But as we looked
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: at it, that's kind of where we as a consensus
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: kind of got to is No, we kind of take
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: that White Sox team, you know, as AJ mentioned, or
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: the Red Sox or the Tigers, the Dodgers now you know.
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: Ahead of them.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: But I do think I think that there are tiers
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: also that we always you know, kind of look at.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: It's like if you're looking at the difference between the
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: teams in the top five six here, they're all kind
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: of pretty close together. If you compared that number seven
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: to number two, I think there's a bigger gap. There's
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: like little tiers that kind of work in here and there.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: Once you get in the middle. We saw like the
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: the Marlins making the trades they did, you know, when
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: they traded Luzardo help them move up like five spots.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't because those overwhelming trades. But just when
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: you're in that middle, the difference between one organization and
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: another is pretty small. And that's where using a value
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: evaluation formula I think is important because it does get
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: really tricky trying to figure out which of these three
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: organizations who all have three four top hundred prospects, all
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: in that same area, whose depth is pretty similar, how
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: do you kind of line those teams up?
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: Right? I have two questions for you.
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: One is about prospects and the other is not really
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: about prospects, but you can explain it to me after one.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: First one is I'm looking at the list of the
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: top prospects for some of these teams, like the Angels,
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: Cayden Dana. He already made his debut, right, Jason Dominguez.
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: We've been hearing about him for like seven years, even
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: though he's like twenty two years old. I mean, he's
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: still considered a prospect after coming up, Tommy John the
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: whole deal. Like to me, like, oh, man, I don't know.
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: I mean some of Kumar Rockers pitched in the big leagues.
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm looking at, you know, some of these
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: guys and I'm just like, man, Dylan Cruz got one
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: hundred and fifty ish plate appearances, Like, I mean, he's
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: like right on the edge.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: Sazaki to me, shouldn't really count. I don't know.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: I mean I think like some of these top prospects
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: are now. Jason Dimingez has been around for seven years.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: We got a name him. The top prosus expect again.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: So one hundred and thirty at bats fifty innings or
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: thirty appearances is what we use. One of these years,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: we'll be able to add service time to that as well.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: The problem we have is we start doing these rankings
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: right after the season. We're rolling out our first top
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: tens in before October's over. You know, basically the World
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Series ends and like the next week we're rolling out
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: our first top tens and as of yet, if you
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: said that service time for rookie status was just active service,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: it would be a problem. But when you get to
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: those very small details of how many days, like the
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: crazy part of it is, We've talked about this before.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: I think, but Jason Domingez is Rookie of the Year eligible.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: But if he wins Rookie of the Year, even though
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: he's a top hundred prospect, he won't be PPI pick
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: eligible because of the time he spent on the injured list,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: which I think they might need to clean that up
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: in the next CBA. That doesn't make a whole lot
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: of sense to me. Rookie Sazaki is PPI eligible. That's
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: the rules we're using now. Is when it comes to
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: a guy like Rokie, if he came over as a
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: foreign professional, and I know he was a foreign professional,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: he's pitch in the MPB for years, But if he
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: came over and signed a major league contract, he wouldn't
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: be eligible for our list. But because he didn't, because
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: he signed a minor league contract and got the safest
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: bet non roster invite in I would say baseball history,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: or at least since joey Otani got a non roster invite.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Because of that, that's why he's on our list.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: Got it. Okay, last one your do you know your
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: number eleven team.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Is uh yeah, I can it's the A's.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Okay, where do they play Sacramento?
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: Can we call him the Sacramento damn A's please instead
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: of just the Athletics.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: I don't care what they say. Don't bow down to.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: The stand up for yourself and you make him the
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: Sacramento as damn it?
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: So are they? So?
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Are this year?
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: By the way, okay, along those lines, are they the
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Rays or this year? Are they the Tampa Race?
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: You know, the Tampa Bay they consider because they're the
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: Tampa Bay Lightning, right, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, So they
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: consider the whole bay, right, So it's Tampa Bay. But
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: they're the Sacramento Athletics. Can we please start calling them that?
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: I don't care what the talks about that.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I see what you're saying.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, California Athletics. How about the West Coast Athletics
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: of Oakland of Las Vegas like the Angels did those
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: couple of years.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: And that's what I'm saying. They could be the Los
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Angeles of amahond No.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: They could be the Los Angeles Athletics. Of Sacramento just
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: so they can incorporate Los Angeles like the Angels did,
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: even though they're not anywhere close.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: To Hey, this great pub for Baseball America. We've got
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: two major league teams. I never thought I would live
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: my life with two MLB teams in two minor league parks.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: You're going to learn more about these minor league franchises,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: whether you like it or not, because they're playing there.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: So get yourself a Baseball American subscription. The codes FT
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: thirty last word at JJ what he got.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say on that, like, I'm gonna
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: be fascinated to see what is like. The last time
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: we had a team in Miami play outdoors, it was
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: impossible to hit, like you know, and so what is
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: it gonna be like when it gets to June, July, August.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I think pitchers are gonna love being there, and I'm
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: really worried what it's gonna mean for hitters. A.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people that are making like frozen drinks and all
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: kinds of things right outside of the park, they're gonna
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: have a field day. I remember going to Mylins camps
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: when I was younger outside and it was tough, and
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: then it rained JJ, good talking to you, will chat soon.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Thank you all right, MT for.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Right back, and I love Florida. Baseball America gives you
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: a thirty percent off first year subscription if you use
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the promo code FT thirty or use that code BA
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: is awesome. Okay, I shouldn't have to say much more,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: but that's where you get the full rankings for the players,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: the teams, the whole deal in the weed. It's a
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: top round and start with a team we covered yesterday,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the same Francisco Giants. We hinted at this, and then
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: we got word on the list that's invited to spring
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: training and it is a buster Posey list, as in
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: the bets are back baby. I heard also, you know
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: that they had the office that always had like Willie May's,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: and then it had some other, you know, very notable
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: former dudes there, and then it was replaced by a
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: bunch of analytics people that's right near the clubhouse. That's
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: of course going to shift back to more of the
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: veteran presence situation. So let's shoot, let's show everyone the list,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: and Ourlana Rizzo also said smart move by Posey. But
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Amy g who's been covering the team for a long time,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: said they bring a lumback to spring training this year.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: She said, here's who you might see in Scottsdale. I
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: won't read all of them, but there's many familiar faces.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: J T.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Snow replied to one of our tweets yesterday, it sounds
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: like he might work with Bryce Eldridge, their big bat prospect.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: But Scootero's on here, Panic Hunter, Pence Affelt, Santiago Cassilla,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Ryan Bogel song. This is what you're talking about.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Aj, Yes, this is what I love. I love this.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: I love that teams that have won and have a
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: tradition of winning bring back their guys. This is what
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: teams should do because you know what, like Kratzi said yesterday,
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: these guys know how to win in their particular market
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: and they can help young guys get better. You know,
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: every team, a lot of teams bring back one or
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: two guys.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: But it's cool.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: Dave Getty was my pitching coach when I was in
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: San Francisco. He's awesome, right. Vogo song one there you
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: know AFL, Jave Lopez, All these guys, even like a
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: guy like Santiago Cassilla, who most guys people outside of
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: San Francisco have never heard of.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: He was a great guy from them, a great bullpen fees.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: You know what he can do.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: He can help the bullpen guys. He can help them
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: get ready to pitch in the seventh, eighth, ninth inning,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: whatever it is. I love this by Buster Posey bringing
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: in guys that have been there and done that, and
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: they come in for three days, four days, So what
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: put him up in a hotel, You take them to dinner,
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: you give him a couple of meal money, and he
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: put them in a uniform.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: And it makes the fans happy. He love play, love
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: to see him.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: And you know who loves it even more the alumni
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: of the team because it brings them and makes them
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: feel like a piece of the team.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Great job by Buster Bosey.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Nice and ninety nine percent of the players are gonna
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: have no connection with everybody on this list except one guy,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: and that one connection can make the difference. Like, how
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: is Joe Panic gonna talk to Bright Eldridge? How's he
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: gonna talk to him? Like there's no there's no connection.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: He's gonna look at him and be like, hey, I
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: made a really good play in a twenty fourteen World
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Series that helped us win it. Like so there's not
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: a connection everywhere, but bring these guys back. It's just
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: that like camaraderie of man. I really want to be
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: a part of this organization. Stay here, sign back. Everybody's
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: situation is different, but for you two, I just want
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: you guys to look at the list. Because our made
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: the rundown. Claudia producer lady made the rundown and didn't
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: add the last two names. So I'm not sure exactly
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: what happened. But if you look at our down, the
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: names that are at the bottom are two other people
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: that got invited to Giants spring training.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Also, I'm looking at the rundown. I don't know what
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: you're talking about.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, my number is retired Democrats. I don't know
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: about yours, but my number. Look here we go, look
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: my number. Here's my bubblehead Giants bablehead, one of them.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: My number right there. So you at thirty six retired. Yep, hey,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: j you're retired number. Your number is retired. My number
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: is just tired from my time there. So it's kind
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: of the same retired and tired.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: So exhausted. Let me ask you a question on numbers.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: A fan question popped in just now from Roots. Have
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: you guys talked about Miguel Rojas giving his number to
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Roki Sasaki for nothing? A veteran player perspective would be
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: interesting because this breaks from tradition, doesn't it? And this
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: was told on our show, wasn't it? From to ask
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: her Hernandez when we were breaking down the number situation
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: for Rokie.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: Listen, it's smart played by Miguel Rojas. You know why
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: he's fighting for that roster spot. Maybe he needs everybody
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: on his side. I guess who could help him? Oh,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: Doc Roberts is like, hey, Rookie, who do you want
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: to play him?
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Behind you? He's like, well that might go.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Warriors he gave or uh sorry we go Rojas he
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: gave me that number, so, uh, you know, I kind
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: of like that fella. So listen smart move by Nickeys
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: Road right here. To know where he sits in the
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: hierarchy of the Dodgers.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know about that, but I don't.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think the question was was you know this
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: gets away from like tradition or something about like veteran
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: tradition to me? No, I think I don't. I don't
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: think that's the case. I just think it. I think
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: it eliminates or it gets rid of like something that
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I think is fun. Dude, I've seen a J. Burnett
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: gave my buddy Daniel McCutcheon, not Andrew McCutcheon. Daniel McCutcheon
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: a five twenty nine for his just born son, and
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: then his wife was pregnant, so he set up another
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: five twenty nine for his unborn child that was that
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: was still on the way, and then the team ridiculed
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: him for how much he gave him, so he ended
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: up doubling it for both of them. I think it's
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: just fun clubhouse stuff. Rookie has to give Viggy something,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: but maybe he's pining for a spot on the twenty
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: six manroster because hey, they just got rid of Brazier.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Miggie's like, if Mookie really plays shortstop, really, well, what
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: do I do?
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Like team cheerleader?
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Also, by the way, also by the way, let me
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: just say this, it's usually the veteran guy that gives
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: the rookie something for a number, not the rookie guy
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: giving a veteran guy something. Right, So the rules are
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: kind of reversed here. Right, because I know I told
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: the story. When I went to Cardinals, I had to
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: give Gibson my number. I had to give him something
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: for my number because they gave me a number without asking.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: And then I'm like, wait, twelve is open. Why do
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: I have Frank Thomas thirty five? It didn't look right,
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: so I had to give him something for that. It's
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: usually the veteran that gives the rookie the number. Would
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: you give him?
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Oh, dude, a game?
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: One thousand bucks to Apple Apple card thousand another Apple card.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: There was like a month left in the season, was
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: like in September.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, proted, it's a pro rated deal, Kratz.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: If it was the whole dollar Apple.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: Gift card, you know how valuable that was on that team.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Those dudes played clash at clans like nobody's business.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: They need.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: You gave him money to buy apps and buy what's
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: it called boosts in the games. There was an Instagram
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: post from a guardian's account, not the team itself, that
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: was talking about the payroll, and it's a justified complaint.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I think the numbers might be skewed, but the point
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: is three wins away from the World Series and they're
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: pointing to the twenty four payroll at one forty four
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: mil the twenty five parol at one oh four. I
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: think those numbers are off. I think it's a pretty
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: close payroll from twenty four to twenty five, but it's
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: still down.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: A little bit.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Guardians are one hundred mil payroll team these days. That's
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the decision that ownership has made. Is it the right call?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Of course, it's not the right call. That Guardians have
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: often been one or two impact bats away from, in
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: my mind, being a World Series winner, and they just
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: won't do it. They just won't support Jose Ramirez and
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: before that, Ramirez and Lindor with more, and that usually
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: is going to cost you a little bit unless you're
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: just pumping out prospects left and right. They've got the
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: arm situation figured out, aj but that team was at
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: one p fifty, which we all know they can handle. Yeah,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: they might have a title or two.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, get on them, Scott, get them. This is Scott's
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: this is Scott's area to shine right here, Get them, Scott.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: I think the numbers are one oh four, they're like
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: one oh four to ninety six, And I understand what
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: we're saying here, like, go get a batter two. I mean,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: they signed our guy Paul sea Wall to a deal,
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: they brought back Beaver, but gosh, go get a bat
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: or two.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: I don't know who that batter two is, but go
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: get a bat or two. Because they relied on this
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: outfield that hasn't been great form from the farm system
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: for a while with some trades in this and now,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: but it hasn't really worked out. Go get somebody that
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: can put you over the top. Because the division's winnable,
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: like we've talked about, and the American League is winnable
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: because they were three wins away last year and from
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: going to the World Series.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: And they packed the place last year.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Jacobs Field. I know it's I called that. I think
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: it's called progressive Field. I always called Jacobs but progressive field,
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Jacobs Field, there was absolutely packed last year.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: So go make the fans happy.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Guardians fans, Guardians fans need to just enjoy their team
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: because once salary cap and salary floor come in, Guardians
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: are just going to be sold. They're gonna have to
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: go to another city because they clearly can't raise up
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: to whatever the salary floor is going to be just,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: won't be fair, just won't have enough money. Feel sad
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: for a Guardians fans more cow picks right, all of
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: that not enough. They can't raise it up.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: They can't raise their salary up.