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Speaker 1: Podcast.
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Speaker 2: Check it out The Joe Logan Experience Trained by Day Joe.
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Speaker 1: Rogan podcast, by night, all day. You's gonna see it, brother,
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what's happening? You know?
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Speaker 2: Back in the seat, back in the hot seat.
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Speaker 1: Looking good, dude, Look at you, you handsome bastard. What's
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this box?
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Speaker 2: This is uh, the best supplements on the planet. Sourced
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from Japan, America and Switzerland North Performance doctor Massey Do
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you know him as a Stanford doc?
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Speaker 1: He started the company.
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Speaker 2: I'm involved, I'm I'm getting, you know, heavily involved in
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the ownership of it, and uh, I'm excited about it.
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Speaker 1: It's a one you take it a day, like one satchel.
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It's got all the all the ship, you know. So
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it's like a pre pack. It's a pre pack. Oh,
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I like pre packs. You got one, and I don't
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like to think exactly give me pre pack? Yeah, yeah,
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I like the I take pures now, I take pure encapsulation.
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They have those little men's ultra packs or whatever it's called. Yep,
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I take those every day. What a bunch of other ship.
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I'll try your stuff though, Okay, check it out. So
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what's so special about these vitamins? You know?
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Speaker 2: It's just, uh, it's more for the person who like
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wants to excel in training. So it's got all the
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amino acids, your creatines, all one supplement.
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Speaker 1: It's big. You'll see. That's By the way, this is
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not an AD. I mean, I guess it is for Scott,
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but it's like, well, you're involved.
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Speaker 2: In your agent.
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Speaker 1: I know, but I just want people to know that,
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like I talk about cool ship, regardless of whether or
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not it's an AD. And if something is going to
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be an AD, I have to approve it.
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Speaker 2: Look at you your knife.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's bust it out Montana Knife company, son.
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Speaker 2: For cutting elk.
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Speaker 1: That's a skinner boy, shave that dog. Teach it to
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hunt the best knives. Okay, all right, supplements, so how
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long have you been involved in the whole supplement thing,
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Like now, you've always taken them. Oh it's all in
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powder yep, whoa try dry scooping that you're gonna choke
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to death. That's a lot of powder, a I believe. Okay, Now,
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at least I'm more convinced because there's a lot of
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volume here.
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Speaker 2: Yeap.
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Speaker 1: Obviously there's a lot of stuff, Like if you took
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every vitamin that I take every day, and you busted
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them up and put him into a powder for him,
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it would be like this exactly.
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Speaker 2: So it's seventy plus vitamins in there. And that's the
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biggest thing, right, like efficacy and quantity. You need the
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right amount.
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Speaker 1: Do you just mix this with waters? And how you
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do it?
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Speaker 2: Yep, mix it with a big water and then you
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just don't have to think about it because I was
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doing so many a day right as.
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Speaker 1: You probably are. Yeah, it's like oh dud, yeah, I
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ran out of that one.
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Speaker 2: Oh I gotta wear that.
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Speaker 1: So you're involved in this company, did you guys ever
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send the stuff out for third party testing? Do you
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ever do that?
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Speaker 2: It's totally third party tested. So my very wealthy buddy
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started it. He did it essentially for himself. He was like,
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I want the best of the best. He's like fifty five,
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but he's an adventure athlete and he's like, I want
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the best of the best.
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Speaker 1: I don't care what it costs.
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Speaker 2: And he's like yeah, but he's like, I think I
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can make a business out of this.
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Speaker 1: So that's for you, dude. Yeah, okay, So for people
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at home, what's the name of the company. Again North Performance,
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North Performance, And there's our website they can go to.
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Speaker 2: Yep, it's we're just launching it. It's going to be
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on subscription based, come to your house every month.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, just think about it. Oh like not thinking. Yep,
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you got me, got me hooked already, son, all the
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things volume. So'm I'm believing in it.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: You know. Uh, when I know if you're you're a
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very reputable and ethical guy. You know, if you're involved
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in something, it's going to be legit anyway. So that's
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cool to know. How long have you been taking to supplements?
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So you've been a vitamin guy forever? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: You know, I cycle in and out like anything, do
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you I I My my non negotiables typically are fish oil,
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vitamin D I take, you know, MNN or NAD uh,
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and then glue thion. My dad was always a massive
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glutethion guy.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of real health benefits to glutathion. I think,
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especially leposomal glue to thion, which is I think more bioabsorbable.
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Yeah that's awesome, dude, good for you. I think every
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and don't listen to you doctor. If you have a
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doctor like I had, my doctor said, oh, you need
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is a balanced diet. Most of those vitamins are just
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going to pee out. And I looked at him like, dude,
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you look like shit. I didn't say it, but trying
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to be nice. He was at a potbelly, like this
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is crazy. You have zero muscle and you're telling me
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about balanced diet. It's like, this is bananas, dude. And
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now that I've looked back on it, he was probably
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how old I am now, you know? And he looked
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like shit. There's a lot of doctors that don't understand
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that if you want to optimize your health, it's not
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about what the one hundred percent of the you know,
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f U, s DA or whatever. It is the requirements. Like,
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there's real science on what the right doses are and
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you can find it. It's just complicated. You got to
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go online and you got to go what's the optimum
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dose of vitamin D? Are there dangers of going above
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vitamin D? Are there benefits of having a high level
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of vitamin D?
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Speaker 2: Sure?
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Speaker 1: Like, if you really want to do it right, you
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should work with a wellness clinic and have someone go
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over your blood work. Unfortunately, we have waste to well
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in twent so I do it with them. They go
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over your blood work. They'll actually make you a vitamin
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that's designed specifically for what your body needs. They'll encapsulate
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it all on pill form, tell you how many to
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take a day, and they'll send you like a bag
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of vitamins. It's amazing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've actually I've been actually thinking about doing that
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test because there are certain doctors that will tell you
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you're sort of your blood type will dictate what you
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should be eating. And I've never really got that done
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or no, And I know certain people just.
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Speaker 1: Are like, this is a game changer. Wonder how much
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of that is voodoo? It might be, you know, it
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kind of makes sense though, if your ancestors came from
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specific part of the world, you know what I mean, Like,
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we know that's the case with alcohol, Like people whose
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ancestors came from a society. Yeah, well societies that didn't
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normally drink alcohol, like particularly Native Americans, had a really
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hard time with it because they just weren't built to
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metabolize alcohol. They didn't have it as a part of
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their world. And I guess if you're in a part
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of the world where your ancestors ate mostly meat. I
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bet your diet should probably be mostly meat. I bet
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it fits right in there, and it should come from
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a place where they ate a lot of specific kinds
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of grains, Like I would wonder like how much of
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that stuff is real, like blood type versus what food
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you should eat, because everybody should what everybody eats, proteins,
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amino acids, vitamins, you know, and all that stuff you
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get from fruits and vegetables and meat and food and
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fish and eggs.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're looking at the blue zone, right, yeah,
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they essentially have a variety of a Mediterranean diet. It's
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kind of a varietyary thing. They don't eat red meat,
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but they eat a lot of fish, but they do
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eat red meat, and they do drink wine, and they
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sort of have this diet that is kind of a
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bunch of everything. And you know, there's a bunch of
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other factors as well, you know.
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Speaker 1: Purpose, physical activity, physical activity, community. I think a big
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one with all these blue zoned people is they're just
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eating real food. That's the real problem. What people need
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to truly get into their head is the majority of
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the American diet, as delicious as it tastes, is like garbage.
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It's bad for you. It's actually bad for you. It's
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not good for you. Real food is good for you.
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If you go and you have a grilled chicken and
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some avocado and a nice salad and the glass of
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sparkling water, that's actually really good for you. Versus if
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you go and have a fucking Jack in the box
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double cheeseburger with bacon and whatever sauce and eat the
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fries like that's it's delicious poison.
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Speaker 2: Now, I will say, I just got back from Europe.
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My body there feels so much better, and I eat
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pretty healthy. Okay, I eat healthy here and I eat
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pretty healthy there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody has the same story. So what's going on?
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It's our food. Our food's bad. It's there's a guy
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who broke it down. Remember that dude with the cowboy hat, Jamie,
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Remember that cat who's really good at breaking down nutrition facts.
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He broke down what the gluten is, what life is?
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Say right, the bro mean there's a bunch of the compounds,
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there's a bunch of preservatives. All that stuff is again
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bad for you. And all these people that live in
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like Italy and live in these Mediterranean diet places, what
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are they eating, they're eating food, actual food, real food.
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Speaker 2: But it's not just it's not just that, it's like
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the way the dairies process, right, so you know. And
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I actually went to a cheese factory in Italy a
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couple times ago in Europe, and I asked, I said,
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why can my stomach tolerate this and not in America
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And they're like, well, first off, we the process of
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making this cheese is like fourth to six hours in
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the morning every day, and it gets the lactose out,
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whereas we just slap it in and send it out,
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you know, and it's.
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Speaker 1: Like, that's not it's also raw cheese. You know. I
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had this. I bought a house from this guy was
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from France. Really cool guy. He was a doctor, very
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interesting dude. I got to know him, become friends with him,
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and he's he would smuggle cheese back from France because
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it was literally illegal to have that cheese. This is
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California two thousand and three. Oh, really illegal to bring
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that cheese into America because it was raw, it hadn't
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been all the biology in, it hadn't been killed. So
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like when we're drinking raw milk, what you're getting is
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all the enzymes. You're getting it, and people could say,
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oh you are you a baby cow? You should be like,
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it's really good nutrition. Raw milk is good nutrition. There's
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calcium and protein and fats. Milk. It's good for you.
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It tastes good when you drink. If you're drinking a
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glass of homogenized, pasteurized milk, your body's like what is this?
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Like this is milk that can just sit on the
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shelf for months. That's crazy. If you get raw milk,
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I get it on a Saturday, by Wednesday or Thursday,
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gets a little sketch. Oh yeah, it starts stinking. That's
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the cat. So this dude, listen to the wizard, this
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guy says. So he's talking to this guy. This guy's
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talking about how he's eating bread over.
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Speaker 2: In Urina America.
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Speaker 3: I need it.
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Speaker 4: That's because in America what we call bread can't even
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beat considered food in parts of Europe see here in America.
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It's not so much the gluten as what we've done
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to the grain. About two hundred years ago, we started
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stripping the brain and germ, or the fiber and nutrients
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to make flower shelf stable, also nutritionally dead, because the
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nutrients were gone, we enriched it with fullic acid, which
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a large majority of the population can't even tabolize. Therefore
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many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation. But then
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the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with
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chlorine gas, but didn't rise enough, so they added a
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carcinogen called potassium bromate, which has been in several countries
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like Europe, UK and even China. Then we wanted to
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ramp up production, so we started using glyph essate to
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dry out the wheat before harvest, causing anycrine disruption and
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damaging your gut. So now you're bloated, brain fog, tired,
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and blamed gluten. But gluten is just the scapegoat. The
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real issue is ultra processed, chemically altered bleachs bromated, fake
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vitamin filled weed soaked in glyphisate. This isn't bread, this is.
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Speaker 1: I shout out to. This guy's name is Denny Door,
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Danny d E and n Y Underscore d U r
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E on Instagram.
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Speaker 3: I just gotta fuck with the audio there because that
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song will oh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah, so what I get for that?
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Speaker 2: And I have seen this actually, damn it, it's just
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essentially pure greed to keep bread shelf stable for longer.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's their business model, right, So their business is
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set up on shelf stable stuff that And the problem
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is it was it was greenlit, right. So the problem
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is whatever year they started doing that, they built their
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entire business on doing it that way. So this was
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the argument when RFK Junior came in and said, you
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have to stop using these dyes for children's cereals, and
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they were saying, they were saying, this is going to
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ruin our business, and he was like, you already make
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the same kind that we're asking to make for Canada,
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because Canada doesn't allow them to use the dyes the
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same cereal they make in the United States, and it
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looks not as good because it doesn't have the juicy, delicious, bright,
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vibrant dyes give you fucking cancer. But the reality is
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it's just their business model. They're set up to do
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it a certain way and to change would be very expensive.
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So what do they do. They fucking hire lobbyists. They
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hire lobbyists. They get their guys into the FDA, they
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get their guys into this organization that organization, and they
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make sure that they're protected, and then we keep eating
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dog shit and we keep getting poisoned. And you go
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to Italy and you have a spaghetti and you feel great.
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You don't feel like you get shot with a tranquilizer dart.
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You know, it's kind of amazing, and there's dart in
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your neck. We talked about it many times. You go
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over there and you know, why am I living the
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way I live? Yeah? These people are just hanging out
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having a good time, having a cigarette laughing.
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Speaker 2: That shouldn't even be a thing we're arguing about. I
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don't even understand. It's just like that gets lumped into that.
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It's like, no, that's for the betterment of society. Yeah, what, like,
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why is that a thing?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? We live in a weird world, man, a world
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that doesn't completely make sense. And then on top of it,
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it gets connected to political ideologies. So it used to
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be that the people on the left were really concerned
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about healthy food. Like when I was a kid, we
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used to go to the health food store. My parents
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were hippies and they would buy like whole wheat bread,
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and you know, like they would try to buy like
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organic food like the and that was a thing on
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the left avoid chemicals, avoid processed foods. And because this,
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it's all these movements are connected with Trump and RFK Junior.
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There's so many people that are rejecting something that's beneficial
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to everybody because somehow or another they have this connected
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to some right wing anti science position, like God, you
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guys are getting brainwashed. We should all be eating organic food.
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That should be the only food. We were not doing that, okay,
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and it's one of the reasons why we're some of
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the sickest, fattest fucking people on earth while also being
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the most wealthy country. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Group think is like a crazy thing. It's a it's
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it's it's kind of it's really sad because people aren't
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really actually thinking critically about each subject. They're just jumping
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on to something there they've been told or is in
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their echo chamber or whatever, you know what I mean.
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I like to think, no matter what issue it is,
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I'm like, Okay, well let's evaluate that. Let's kind of
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look at both sides. Maybe there's like and maybe there's
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some in between that's both things can be.
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Speaker 1: True, yes, for sure, And that's a problem if you
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if there's something that's accurate that the other side is saying,
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and you're rejecting that because it doesn't align with your
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political ideology. That's bad for everybody. Like, I think the
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group think that we have to all really align with
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is the group think of being open minded, being like true,
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actually open minded and willing to accept different ideas and
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also recognize that you are not your ideas. Your ideas
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are just thoughts. Do not connect yourself with them. You
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are you, And if you really want to have a
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stable you, you want to be proud of what you are,
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you should be completely detached to ideas. You should know
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which ones are accurate and which ones aren't, based on information,
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based on the reality of whatever whatever we're talking about,
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whatever subject matter is. But the reality is, like, you
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can't be married to your ideas because they'll fuck you.
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They'll fuck you over every time. It's like it's not
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going to work. You have to be flexible and you
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have to be willing to say, even though I hate
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this guy, he's right about that. It's very important.
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Speaker 2: It's okay to be wrong.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, even though I think the piece of show when
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he said he lies about a lot of things, but
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that thing that he's saying is actually true.
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Speaker 2: Well, here's an even to go even a little more.
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Maybe an unpopular or something people don't talk about is
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they divide, in my opinion, to control. If you don't
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have division, that's when the pitchforks come out. If you
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don't have the illusion of choice and a team, that's
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when you're like, well, fuck that. They're taking your money.
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They we're paying all these taxes or doing these things,
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and we actually don't have a choice. Maybe that's the reason.
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It's you know, there's these teams red and blue, and
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it's actually just one higher group that are actually making.
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Speaker 1: Decisions the big money. Yeah, well, for sure, they benefit
16:49
from people being at each other's throats. They benefit from
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culture war stuff. They benefit from people arguing over whatever
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it is Pride Month or whatever it is, Black Lives Matter.
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Speaker 2: Up and then people are thinking about this and this
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instead of hey, like this is actually going on, yeah
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talking about that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean look every time there's i mean when
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Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky, they started bombing like
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right afterwards.
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Speaker 2: That's the real power.
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Speaker 1: That's what they do. It's a good move. It's a
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good move to distract people. Yeah, because otherwise that that
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shit's going to stay in the new cycle until something
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big happens. So you've got to make something big happen. Yeah,
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it's a we're involved in a game, and we don't
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think it's a game. We think that what we're doing
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is trying to make the world a better place and
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vote for people that have similar values. That's not the
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game they're playing. The game they're playing is let's pretend
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that we care. Let's pretend that we want to fix
17:43
the homeless problem. Let's pretend we want you to have
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health care. Let's pretend. But meanwhile, they're a good percentage
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of them are demons. They're they're just sociopaths, completely devoid
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of any feelings of what the consequences of their action
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are going to have on people's livelihoods, losing their homes,
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losing their businesses. They don't give a fuck. They care
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about their own career and they want to keep on
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truck until they become the king of the country. And
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that's what they're trying to do. And that's a giant
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pile of these fucking demons. There's a lot of them
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out there that think like that. And then there's real
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Speaker 2: No, we were actually talking about it. My buddy gave
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me a lift here today on his plane, and he's
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a very wealthy, successful guy, but he was getting riled
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up about some trans thing and an issue, and I
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was like, why do you think you get riled up
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about it. I was like, do you think that maybe
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that's just a cause for division? And you know, like
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if you get upset about a sound out of someone's mouth,
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when you think about it, it's kind of like from
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a thirty thousand foot level, it's like you're getting riled
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up about out an idea about a sound that's coming
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out of someone's mouth, right, Like you're letting that affect you.
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Speaker 1: Right, And it's not affecting your real life, but you're
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choosing to focus on that, and it is an issue.
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But is it an issue that's of paramount importance in
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your life when you're on your own private jet flying somebody.
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Speaker 2: No, I couldn't thinking about like I was thinking about it.
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I was like, you're this special billionaire and you're upset
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about that, and I go, you're wasting your time thinking
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about that instead of a millionaire things we could talk
20:30
about or think about.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was interesting. Well, it's I mean, it's always
20:35
been a tool. As much as we like to say, no,
20:36
these are real issues that we face, and we really
20:38
have a real cultural issue that we have to I
20:41
get it, that's true. But however, you have to recognize
20:43
that that tool has always been used by dictators by.
20:47
Speaker 2: Art of war, right, I mean it's the from the beginning.
20:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's important, and it's one of the beautiful
20:51
things about our country is that we have two parties.
20:55
So it's so easy to do because it's just good
20:57
guys and bad guys. There's no good guys bad guys
21:01
between pretty reasonable guys that are pragmatic. We know how
21:04
to kill folks.
21:04
Speaker 2: I like them, like, let's go to the guy, let's
21:08
go to the discipline side.
21:09
Speaker 1: But no, it's like you can only be on the
21:12
right or on the left, and if you're on the right,
21:14
you get lumped into these crazy people that you know,
21:18
have these big Jesus rallies and they talk in tongues,
21:21
and you get lumped in with white nationalists, you get
21:24
what riped in lumped in with Christian nationalists that think
21:27
that the ten Commandment should be in every school and
21:30
no one should be able to practice any other religion
21:31
as a Christian Christian country. There's people that really believe
21:34
pushing that that you get lumped in with them too.
21:37
When you're just like, hey, I think the Second Amendment's important,
21:40
you know, like, oh, you must be a far right
21:42
wing conspiracy theorist. Like, oh, come on, Like you can't
21:47
always count on the cops. You know, you should be
21:49
able to protect yourself because bad people have guns. It's
21:51
that simple. Doesn't mean you're going to use them all
21:53
the time. Like this is crazy. You could kill people
21:55
with a variety of different methods. You know, you don't.
22:00
You don't need to lump everything into right and left,
22:03
but people do. They do because they're being told to.
22:06
You know, if you're on the left, you have to
22:07
accept you know, trans women or women, you have to
22:10
there's a whole bunch of like they're kind of moving
22:12
away from that now in a big way. They're moving
22:14
away from the competitive thing, like with trans women competing
22:17
in school athletics, because it's like after a certain amount
22:22
of fucking championships, you know, you just gotta go, hey,
22:25
that's a guy. That's a guy. Be sweet. Those people
22:30
have always exist. But also you're letting them into the
22:32
women's room, and now you could have perverts or just
22:34
say they're trans and then go in the women's room too,
22:36
Like you didn't think about this. The fact that they
22:39
never factored in the one segment of society that has
22:44
always been the most hated and the most like looked out,
22:49
Like make sure that they don't come near you. Psychopathic perverts,
22:53
Like psychopathic perverts that prey on men, Guys that want
22:56
to go in women's bathrooms, Guys that want to like
22:59
grab women after bars. Those guys have always been terrifying. Yeah,
23:04
and we just gave them a Willie Walker Golden ticket.
23:06
Just wear a dress. Like, imagine you're a fucking old
23:09
school pervert and you're eighty years old. You're like, fuck,
23:11
I missed the boat. Yeah, you've been in and out
23:14
of jail for doing all kinds of creepy shit pretending
23:18
you're a woman.
23:19
Speaker 2: I think we should just be able to hunt hunt them.
23:23
Speaker 1: Life for real. I would lose zero sleep real perverts.
23:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the thing is like child molusters people, no problem,
23:30
just let's go hunt them. Well, they're broken and I
23:32
don't know how you could ever think you're going to
23:34
fix them. And then there's this weird trend where in
23:38
some academic circles they're trying to label them as minor
23:41
attracted persons, which is just this thing of just empathy
23:47
falling into chaos, Like you have so much empathy that
23:50
you're willing to ignore, you know, all kinds of crate
23:54
like what's going on in the UK with the rape gangs.
23:56
They're willing to ignore it because they don't want to
23:58
be seened deemed as being racist. They don't want to
24:01
be deems being Islamophobic, Like okay, yeah, that breakdown of
24:08
culture and because of you know, some very extreme groups
24:14
is pretty scary.
24:15
Speaker 1: It's scary.
24:15
Speaker 2: It's super scary.
24:16
Speaker 1: It's scary because it can happen anywhere in the world.
24:19
It can happen in America too, and if you think
24:21
it can't, you're nuts. And the beautiful thing about America
24:24
is you're supposed to be able to practice any religion
24:27
you want. You're supposed to be able to be a Buddhist,
24:30
You're supposed to be able to be a Baptist. No
24:32
one should care, and we should all be able to
24:34
get along. It should be a true melting pot. But
24:36
there's other organizations that have different plans, and their plans
24:41
are to take over cities. There's plans that are to
24:43
take over cities and change the laws. And we were
24:46
talking about with Tim Dillon what happened with Dearborn, Michigan
24:49
all these like liberal people are like, yeah, we love Muslims,
24:52
everyone's amazing. So they got a Muslim mayor and the
24:54
first thing he did is like, no more pride flags.
24:56
Shit's illegal because what he would like is Sharia l.
25:00
Like if you ask the majority of practicing Muslims, like worldwide,
25:04
how many of them would like sharia law, and it's
25:07
it's it's not a small amount. You know, that's their religion,
25:10
that's what they But the problem with that is, like
25:12
you can't push that on other people. If you want
25:15
to have your mosque and you want to pray five
25:16
times a day, wonderful, you should be able to do
25:18
that one hundred percent. Everybody should appreciate the fact there's
25:21
also different ways of worshiping God. Great. I don't know
25:26
who's right. But as soon as a culture starts taking
25:30
over and putting in values that first of all, gross women. Yeah,
25:36
grossly deteriorate women's rights grossly, that's bad.
25:39
Speaker 2: That's when it falls apart, and that's.
25:41
Speaker 1: Their culture, and you have to understand that that's they've accepted.
25:44
When they're wearing those traditional head garbs and body coverings,
25:48
that's their culture, and they want women to dress like that,
25:52
and you know, we have to stop that from spreading,
25:56
Like you should be able to do it if you
25:58
want to. But the idea that you can take over
26:00
a town or take over a city, that's a flaw
26:02
in our system because every city should have the same
26:07
sort of national rights. Every city should have the rights
26:11
that we have, where you can wear whatever you want
26:14
to wear, practice whatever religion you want to practice, and
26:17
you shouldn't be persecuted one way or the other. But
26:21
when you get a country like England, it's just lets
26:24
them in mass migration, and then you're ignoring the chaos
26:28
that comes with it. That's not good, and that makes
26:31
you wonder like are they wanting the society deteriorate to
26:35
the point where they can say, hey, we're going to
26:37
make new laws to protect you, because you need to
26:41
protect So you have mass surveillance everywhere, more police on
26:45
the streets, more people getting arrested, and in England, you know,
26:48
they're also getting arrested for social media posts.
26:51
Speaker 2: I've been hearing about that.
26:52
Speaker 1: It's more than China, more than Russia, more than Russia
26:55
and China combined.
26:58
Speaker 2: It seems it seems as if the grab for power
27:01
is just you know, done in plain sight.
27:04
Speaker 1: Now yeah, and I hate to say this, but they
27:06
don't have the Second Amendment. It's part of the problem.
27:10
Part of the problem is you're not armed, so like
27:12
when shit goes sideways, you don't have a lot of options,
27:16
you know, And what are you gonna do. I'll get
27:18
together with shovels. What are you gonna do. Grandpa's got
27:22
a bird gun. Let's go great grandpa's bird gun. Fuck
27:25
are we doing?
27:27
Speaker 2: Get grandpa's bird again?
27:29
Speaker 1: That's no way to keep the police out of your town. Well, yeah,
27:35
it's uh, it's not good. I think hopefully there's enough
27:38
sensible people where we're gonna come out on the other
27:41
end of this, But it's gonna be real hard with
27:43
this right right versus left bullshit.
27:45
Speaker 2: No, well but you know, you know not to like
27:47
toot your own horn here. But voices like yours are
27:50
really important because you examine a lot of different people
27:54
and you've pulled in like almost I was thinking about
27:56
the other day, like an encyclopedia of different type of
28:01
people and different types of subject matter where you can
28:04
type it in a chatchypeta and say, can you tell
28:06
me about this thing that you know and then oh,
28:10
do you want to hear an two hour podcast that
28:12
Joe did about it with the expert of such and such.
28:15
And that's pretty cool because then it expands people's mind.
28:19
It's much easier than having to, you know, go and
28:22
read about something. You're like, oh, that's an interesting point.
28:25
Speaker 1: Well, if it gets people stimulated, that's great. But the
28:28
reality is we should be teaching people to think correctly
28:31
from the time they're young, and I think we're spending
28:34
way too much time giving them information and not teaching
28:36
them how to think correctly. Yeah, and not also like,
28:41
you know, giving them something that excites them and giving
28:45
them something that they they can understand why it's important
28:50
to be interested in something like why can benefit you?
28:53
How can stimulate you? Try new things out, like oh
28:56
this is exciting, I feel better, like feel good, like
28:58
people like tasks like that. We should be taught that
29:01
from the time we're young. Instead, we're just basically groomed
29:05
to becoming workers. You know.
29:07
Speaker 2: It's interesting is So I turned forty in March and
29:11
I decided I was going to take the year off,
29:14
so essentially thirty nine to forty, right, because I've been
29:17
working head down for twenty years, hadn't looked up living
29:19
out of a suitcase movie to movie to movie to movie,
29:22
you know, blah blah blah blah blah. And I thought
29:25
it would make me, it would give me better perspective,
29:28
it would maybe whatever, you know, where's then where am
29:32
I going in the next ten years? Kind of my thinking? Uh,
29:36
And I actually got more depressed. I was like, I,
29:42
what the fuck is going on? I feel more depressed.
29:45
And it kind of just goes back to just stay busy,
29:49
get up and do shit.
29:50
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, you're busy, but you're busy doing
29:52
what you love. And that is a gift. That's a
29:56
real gift. We're both very fortunate in that regard. And
29:59
anybody who listening to this that actually does what they
30:01
love whatever it is beaky being carpentry. You're doing what
30:04
you love. You're so lucky.
30:07
Speaker 2: Create, create, don't take. Be a creator in anything, Like
30:12
if you're a plumber, whatever, you know, fix someone's pipes,
30:15
have a purpose, and create, don't take. There's takers and
30:19
their creators.
30:20
Speaker 1: You know.
30:20
Speaker 2: It's like I was actually listening to podcasting guys said that,
30:22
and I was like, yep, that's it. If you create,
30:26
you're exponentially happier. I think because you're you're giving societies.
30:31
Speaker 1: It's a benefit to the people that are interacting with
30:34
you with whatever you're doing. Yeah, and that's good for
30:36
you for sure. And I think unfortunately, Look, I don't
30:42
want the responsibility being the guy who gives everybody curious
30:46
things to think about. You don't do it the only person,
30:50
but you are. I really think that this kind of thinking,
30:54
the kind of thinking that lets you explore things and
30:56
gets you interested in things, should be in schools instead
31:00
of just forcing fucking history down their throats and math
31:02
down their throats. Give people the tools to be excited
31:06
about things, show them cool shit, so so the cool
31:10
shit where they realize, like, oh, learning about things is
31:12
actually really interesting. You know, it just has to be
31:14
something you're interested in. And then they'll realize like, oh,
31:18
I can get good at stuff. I can pursue something
31:21
instead of just being a cog in the wheel like
31:24
most people feel. Most people feel like, fuck, the economy sucks.
31:27
I just got to get a job. And then then
31:29
you just get home and you just want to play
31:31
video games or do something to stimulate yourself because you
31:33
hate jobs and then next thing, you know, you're thirty
31:36
five and you don't know what the fuck you're doing
31:38
and you're stuck, you know. And that's a lot of people,
31:41
a lot of people listening to this right now. It's
31:43
because they were never instructed how to think about things.
31:46
They were never instructed to try to find something that
31:50
you're actually the job encourage that curiosity, whatever it is, man,
31:55
being a fucking car mechanic, whatever thing you're interested in,
31:58
there's got to be a thing you just got to
32:00
find that you can.
32:01
Speaker 2: Get good at anything, and that will produce money. It's
32:04
like the Also part of the problem is culturally, I
32:09
think we we place too much value in like becoming
32:13
rich and oh, you got to do this, and it's
32:15
like no, no, no, hold on, don't miss the point.
32:19
Get good at something and you'll that you love and
32:22
then that will produce. If you get good enough in anything,
32:25
you'll make money at.
32:26
Speaker 1: It for sure. And the problem is like with kids,
32:29
it's everything today. They want it fast, really fast. They
32:32
want ozembic, right, they don't want to go on a diet.
32:35
They want get you know, whatever it is, fill in
32:39
the blank with whatever thing that they want to get
32:42
really fast. With scams, crypto anything. They're going to get
32:45
rich quick, you know, whatever they're got to do to
32:47
get rich quick, because it's like this this TikTok mind
32:50
culture where people just want that easy quick fix and
32:53
a pill instead of doing the work. When you think
32:56
about a job or going down a career path like acting,
33:00
for instance, like what you did. First of all, you
33:03
did it, you would think, oh, great, Clint Eastwood's his dad,
33:07
he'll help him. No, fucking made it worse for people
33:12
were like, nah, you had to prove that you were
33:14
a really good actor for like a long time before
33:16
people go, oh, yeah, Scott's actually really good because it's
33:20
always gonna be your Clint Eastwood's kid. Yeah, you know,
33:23
And then he didn't fucking help you. But like your
33:26
grind was, I know you, Your grind was years and years
33:29
and years and years and years and years of just
33:31
fucking hustling and putting in the work. Most people see
33:34
that and they go, wait, how long is it going
33:36
to take?
33:37
Speaker 2: What?
33:38
Speaker 1: Fourteen years, twenty years? What? Like when we talked to comics,
33:42
that's a big, big thing that comes up in comedy clubs.
33:45
Like most comedians say, a comic isn't even really comic
33:47
till ten years, right. I mean, I don't know if
33:50
that's real. There's something to that. There's something to reps
33:54
for sure, But I think intention as is as important
33:58
as what the hours or you know, just the amount
34:01
of time. Yeah, I think you're just mailing it in
34:03
in the gym.
34:04
Speaker 2: It's not the same as yeah, I'm gonna build this
34:07
or get really good at that.
34:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. One, especially skills related things like jiu jitsu is
34:13
a perfect example of that. Jiu jitsu one hundred percent
34:17
you get better the more you do it, but one
34:19
thousand percent if you drill correctly and you have like
34:23
mastery of the fundamentals of the techniques, like you really
34:26
truly understand like leverage points, where you're supposed to be,
34:29
when it's secured, when it's not, when when there's an escape,
34:32
when there's no escape. If you don't understand that, you're
34:35
just rolling around and just like resisting hard with people
34:38
and you'll get somewhere, but you won't get nearly as
34:41
far as you can get with focused really systematic breaking
34:46
down of techniques. So it's like the ten thousand hour
34:49
thing is, it's there's something to it. The more you
34:51
do it, the better you'll get. But really it's the
34:54
intention that you put into each and everything you do
34:56
that is as, if not more important than the time,
35:00
Like it's amount of it's about it's about enthusiasm. It's
35:04
about enthusiasm and your willingness to like look at it
35:08
as objectively as possible, you know, especially if you're like
35:11
with jiu jitsu. Is the thing it's like your egos
35:13
involved because you don't want to get tapped out and
35:15
you don't want to get humiliated, and so you don't
35:17
want to try things, so you keep a tight game
35:20
and you never grow and it's, uh, your ego actually
35:23
holds you back by that and that, but telling people
35:26
that it's going to take that long, if you knew
35:29
how long it would take to get to black belt,
35:31
you're like, oh god, it's too much work.
35:33
Speaker 2: Well, also, I think the thing you realize, you know,
35:35
as your ego gets stripped from you doing jiu jitsu,
35:39
is that you realize, like, doesn't matter what level I'm at,
35:43
there's always going to be a thousand more guys above
35:47
that level that will still choke me out, and you're
35:50
gonna you realize how much, how like, You're like, no,
35:54
I kind of am a pussy. You're like, I'm not.
35:56
You know, I'm not as tough as I you know,
35:59
you know now you really know?
36:01
Speaker 1: Well I really know because I work for the UF City,
36:04
so they're always around like every week, and dozens of
36:08
guys who can kill me, and there's people that can
36:11
kill them, which is crazy. It's like there's levels to levels.
36:15
You know, when a guy like Iliot Taporia knocks out
36:18
Max Holloway, you're like whoa. And then justin Gage he
36:21
beats up Ilio Taporia, Like whoa. It's like, there's so
36:24
many guys out there. You have to be humble, and
36:28
it's good for you. It's good for you to not
36:30
be delusional. But my point was for young people, they
36:36
have to get interested in the path. It can't be
36:38
just the results, and the path is really where you
36:40
grow and you become something special in life. You have
36:44
to be on that path for a long ass time
36:46
and try to keep getting better at it with every
36:50
every day, every effort you put into it, do it,
36:53
whatever the fuck you're doing, do it to try to
36:54
get better at that thing, and eventually success will come.
36:58
You're gonna have to manage that success. You can chase it,
37:00
you're gonna have to figure things out. But the most
37:02
important thing should always be the path.
37:05
Speaker 2: That's true.
37:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's in everything and anything you do.
37:08
If you're making music, if you're writing books. It can't
37:11
be I'm gonna sell a million copies. It's got to be.
37:13
I need to fucking make this the greatest literature that's
37:17
ever been read.
37:18
Speaker 2: But I think I also think we need to push
37:23
because of this whole like quick money and thing, the
37:27
morals and codes people have are not taught enough to
37:33
young people. You know, do the right thing when you
37:36
say you're going to do something, be there. When you
37:38
make a promise, do it complete it, don't just you
37:42
know people just ourselves so happy and this culture of
37:46
you know, whatever, fuck then we can just do whatever
37:49
we want. It's like, that's fucking terrible behavior to put
37:54
out to young people. You know, you've got to have
37:57
a code and a value system. That's my dad, I
38:00
mean he was, so you know, you make a promise,
38:04
that's all you have in this life is your word.
38:06
So it's like you gotta do something. You gotta like,
38:09
should have been president? Why didn't you run for president.
38:11
He would because he did, because he did politics, he
38:13
would he didn't want Yeah, and then he said never
38:18
again because.
38:20
Speaker 1: People like you would have been a fun president, though.
38:26
Speaker 2: I don't know if I would have liked it, though,
38:27
then it would have been like everyone no, everyone would
38:30
have come after me for no reason.
38:31
Speaker 1: Bro, you would have been.
38:32
Speaker 2: Don Junior, Jesus.
38:38
Speaker 1: In the roped up into some crypto scheme.
38:41
Speaker 2: Everybody would hate you making billions.
38:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, jez Louise, Yeah, yeah, politics are dirty. I wouldn't
38:50
have done it either if I was him. But you know,
38:51
like when Ronald Reagan ran, a lot of people are like, finally,
38:55
finally a guy who like is good at acting. I mean,
39:01
that's kind of what the president is. It's a role.
39:04
A part of it is a role, like you're playing
39:06
a leader. And the way you behave it's like you
39:09
have to. It's very formal. The way you communicate, it's
39:11
very formal, you know, and actors are going to be
39:14
better at that, you know, like Josh Brolin, that guy
39:17
could be the president. That dude could kill it as
39:22
the president. It looks like a president. Didn't he play
39:24
a president? And did George Bush movie? Yes, that's right,
39:27
he played Bush. Yeah, he could be president. You know,
39:32
I know they tried to get the Rock to run. Yeah.
39:34
I think he was thinking about it. Yeah, not much.
39:36
He told me fuck this, yeah.
39:39
Speaker 2: Or maybe he was just hyping it up. He was
39:40
kind of he was he was like, yeah, I'm going
39:42
to do it.
39:43
Speaker 1: He's very smart with social media. He's he's a wizard
39:47
at that stuff. But I think he's too smart to
39:49
run for president. You're not crazy, like you get that
39:52
giant ass pro wrestler. That guy. He should be our president.
39:56
At least we know that our president could fuck up
39:59
all the other presidents. That would be nice.
40:01
Speaker 2: Now, that's what i'd like to see. I'd like to
40:02
see some sort of version. It's like, okay, great, you
40:05
got to be smart enough, but you also have to
40:08
maybe do some sort of like fight or some sort
40:12
of physical like competition, because you can't just be you know,
40:16
you got to be athletic, you gotta be Yeah, that
40:19
would be cool already.
40:22
Speaker 1: We should really make them do about seven grams of mushrooms.
40:26
Anybody who wants to be president would be good. You
40:28
do seven grams of mushrooms. We film it, we do
40:30
it in a dark room. With infrared cameras or you know,
40:34
night vision cameras, freak out. Yeah, yeah, we want to
40:37
know how well you handle God.
40:40
Speaker 2: But also expand your mind a little bit, don't be
40:42
so rigid in your ways, right yeah.
40:44
Speaker 1: Well, also, I think a lot of those people would
40:46
benefit from a psychedelic experience because it would just make
40:48
them realize that, like, there's a lot more to the
40:50
world than you could see right in front of your face.
40:53
And you don't think that until you have it, And
40:55
then you have it, and they'll never think any differently again,
40:57
You're always going to be like, Okay, there's a part
41:00
of this that's not real. Oh no, I did I
41:02
trust me.
41:03
Speaker 2: I did the I did five m e O. And
41:06
it was I mean, that was some life changing stuff.
41:09
Speaker 1: Well, you feel like you're dead when you take that stuff, right,
41:11
that's the first thing you think, like, oh my god,
41:12
I killed myself. Yeah, like I'm not around an yeah yeah.
41:15
Speaker 2: And and and I think what was the most powerful
41:18
thing was when you come back. It's it felt like
41:22
seeing the world for the very first time again, like
41:25
the first time you saw grass, the first time you
41:27
saw the sun, the first time you felt the wind. Yeah,
41:30
I mean, I I cried. I bawled for forty five
41:34
minutes in my buddy's girlfriend's arms after I did it. Whoa,
41:37
And I was like, I'm just sewing good.
41:40
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable after about five seconds, But okay, stop crying
41:44
the couch. Why hugging my girlfriend? Bro, you had some
41:52
get off her, but it was powerful. Well, your your
41:57
ego is completely shattered that stuff, and you probably weren't
42:01
even thinking of who you're hugging. You just want to
42:03
hug a human. And it's the feeling of it is
42:06
so like you're a part of everything in the universe
42:10
and there is no there's no like particular destination, it
42:15
doesn't exist. You're a part of everything all at once.
42:18
It's a very strange feeling. And no one ever has
42:21
ever done it, and go, I didn't think it was
42:23
that big a deal. Like everybody who does is like wow, yeah,
42:27
like I've known. I know a few prominent right wing
42:31
people that have done it. They would completely change their life.
42:36
A couple of them don't even talk about it, so
42:38
I don't want to mention any names. Yeah, but then
42:39
they want to talk to me about it and they're like, yeah,
42:42
so I'm a different person now, Like whoever I used
42:45
to be, I'm not that guy anymore. Like that's that's
42:48
because once you know, once you know that you really
42:51
are a part of the whole universe, and it's like
42:54
all the molecules, everything everywhere is connected. There is no space,
42:59
there's no space between anything. Everything is filled with something.
43:02
It's all a soup. It's a giant soup of energy
43:05
and vibration.
43:06
Speaker 2: And it kind of kind of actually made me sad
43:11
for the people who will never try it and are
43:14
so dealing with so much pain or dealing with such
43:17
a rigid thinking or whatever it is, that it could
43:21
help them. And I was like, oh, man, that that
43:24
is sad.
43:25
Speaker 1: The rigid thinking is a big one. It's interesting that
43:28
it's becoming much more accepted to talk about, you know,
43:31
I see like grown adults who are very successful who
43:36
run businesses, and they talk about psychedelics. And when I
43:41
was young, when people talked about magic mushrooms or anything
43:45
like that, it was always like you were a fool,
43:47
You were a crazy person who wanted to like trip
43:50
and see things that weren't there. It was never like
43:52
you were trying to expand your consciousness and you were
43:55
trying to just enrich your experience in life and have
44:00
a better perspective and ego, death and all those things
44:02
that people are trying to do and be more connected
44:04
to God. But now it's commonly discussed, it comes up
44:08
all the time. So the public's perception on this has
44:12
really radically shifted in my lifetime. And I think it's
44:17
because of the Internet. I think it's really it really
44:20
started to change where I heard people talking about it
44:23
in the early two thousands, and it was even before
44:27
social media, because there was a bunch of articles that
44:29
were written and a bunch of people were talking about
44:31
positive psychedelic experiences, and people were talking about how it
44:34
helped them quit heroin, and people were talking about all
44:37
these different things that were connected to mushrooms in particular.
44:40
But then all the Terrence McKenna stuff that he was
44:43
talking about DMT and LSD and a bunch of different
44:48
psychedelics that have helped him, and so all this stuff
44:51
started getting out there, and then YouTube, and with YouTube
44:55
and with podcasts, then people really started hearing about it
44:59
from people like my Michael Pollen, and you're like, WHOA
45:01
Michael Pollen is a very respected journalist like what is
45:04
he talking about? He's running wrote a book about psychedelics
45:07
called change Your Mind, Like what? And so it's now
45:11
where rational, intelligent, educated people are free to talk about it,
45:15
and they often do. And so that's just alone gives
45:19
me hope because I feel like that's a that's a
45:22
big change in how people view something. Well was it?
45:26
Speaker 2: And I don't exactly know the history, but I've heard
45:31
was there alcohol lobbyists that we're trying to kind of suppress?
45:36
Speaker 1: You know, we use this, I mean the alcohol lobby
45:39
has did they also go to psychedelics as well? Where
45:42
they haven't yet? No, Well, I'm sure they are leaning
45:46
in the direction of it not being legalized. But the
45:49
problem with alcohol and marijuana is that places that do
45:54
have legal marijuana, you see a diminished alcohol in cake. Sure,
45:59
the diminished alcohol intakes measurable. It's like they cost the money. Yep,
46:03
it's real. You also have the darker thing, which is
46:05
prison lobbies. Explain. Yeah, they lobby, prison guards, unions, they lobby.
46:13
There's a bunch of people that lobby to make marijuana laws,
46:15
keep them on the books so they could keep locking
46:18
people up.
46:18
Speaker 2: Sure, because that's a massive business.
46:19
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, their business is keeping people in cages, which
46:22
is really fucking crazy. It's really crazy that someone is
46:26
who's in the business of locking people up can actually
46:30
lobby to make sure more people get locked up and
46:33
get locked up for something that knows. Yeah, and especially marijuana,
46:37
Like most Americans don't think that you that it should
46:42
be illegal. It's a large number. It's like more than
46:45
seventy percent. I think, like, what was the what's what
46:48
amount of Americans think that marijuana should be legal. Let's
46:53
see if there's a poll, put that into perplexity, see
46:56
what the universe says. I would say it's about sixty
46:58
seven percent of a mayor Americans think marijuana should be legalized, legalized. Yeah,
47:04
what do you think about it?
47:04
Speaker 2: Do you think about all drugs being legal?
47:07
Speaker 1: It's a tough argument because for sure, you're gonna lose
47:10
some people if you make all drugs legal. Look, if
47:13
they made drugs legal right now, I'm not gonna go
47:15
buy heroin. I'm not buying fentanyl. I'm not into math.
47:19
I'm not interested. If I could go to the pharmacy
47:22
and pick up math, I'm not going to pick it up.
47:24
But some people will. Seventy percent seventy percent of Americans
47:27
say marijuana should be legal in general, according to recent galupole.
47:31
If you include people who support either medical or recreational legalization,
47:34
it's eighty eight to eighty nine percent US don't say
47:38
marijuana should be legal in at least some form, with
47:41
only about eleven percent wanting it to be completely illegal.
47:44
And those people need to try it.
47:47
Speaker 2: So, look, I'm actually pot never agreed well with me,
47:50
and I think I have I always I got a
47:53
little scared in paranoid sometimes where I was like, maybe
47:57
I have like a propensity to like some sort of
48:00
schizophrenia or something. I was like, I don't, this isn't
48:03
I was like, I don't like this. This made me
48:05
kind of go skychoschematic. And so did it just.
48:08
Speaker 1: Make you scared or did it like distort reality for
48:11
you in a way that.
48:13
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't know if it distoryed reality.
48:15
It just got my brain, you know, it got my
48:18
brain so freaked out about things that was out of
48:23
my control.
48:24
Speaker 1: That's the part I like.
48:26
Speaker 2: Now I can see why, because like you know, the mushrooms,
48:30
they make you face some things that you're going on
48:32
in your life. Yeah, and I think that's healthy. I
48:35
don't know. Patchas never agreed with me.
48:37
Speaker 1: I think what I like about it is when it
48:40
wears off. I like I like that fear. I like,
48:45
like Joey Diaz says, go meet the devil. I think
48:49
there's some some benefit to freaking out because then it
48:53
calms down and you have more perspective. But I think
48:55
what's going on is you really can't think about all
48:58
the threats of the world and all the problems in
49:00
the world, and all the things can go wrong in
49:02
your life. You can't think about those on a regular basis.
49:04
You got to kind of put your blinders on and
49:05
keep on trucking. Sure, and then marijuana is like what's
49:08
that in the corner of the room that you're scared of?
49:11
Speaker 2: And you're like, oh, but I will say, as you
49:16
know important, like before, the frontal cortex is like fully
49:20
developed because it is some danger for young men specifically yes, right, yes,
49:26
and schizophrenia and like you know, some stuff that can
49:29
come if.
49:30
Speaker 1: You're not I think that's with anything right now.
49:31
Speaker 2: I don't know too much.
49:32
Speaker 1: Alouses schizophrenia, but it's really bad for brain development, especially
49:36
young people that smoke regularly. It's not good for you.
49:39
It's just not good for you. And I know that's
49:43
hard for people to hear because they want to get high.
49:45
Just trust me, if you're getting high all the time
49:47
when you're fourteen years old, it's going to fuck your
49:49
head up. Yeah, it's not good for you. It's just
49:52
not good for your brain development. And it's one of
49:54
the most important things about you as a human being
49:57
is your ability to think. Well, it's very import.
50:00
Speaker 2: And if operating system, don't screw it up before it
50:03
has a time to like.
50:04
Speaker 1: And just for he he's and hahas, because you're bored
50:06
in math class, you want to get high all the time,
50:09
you know. I mean people have done it and got
50:11
away with it and they're okay, but a lot of
50:13
people have not. And you don't want to sabotage your
50:16
whole life just because everybody you know is getting high.
50:18
It's just not worth it. And that also goes with alcohol.
50:22
There's young people that are like fourteen, fifteen years old
50:24
that are getting drunk four or five times a week. Like,
50:26
don't do it, man, I'm telling you, it is fucking
50:29
bad for the development of your brain. Whatever your look,
50:32
maybe you have a very high potential. Maybe your brain.
50:35
Maybe you're always going to be smart and you're going
50:36
to be fine. But I guarantee you where if you're
50:38
getting drunk all the time, you're getting high all the time,
50:41
wherever you would be is not where you are. You
50:44
might be still a very high intellect, still very smart.
50:47
You would have been smarter, your brain would have functioned better,
50:49
you'd have probably had a better perspective. It's not good
50:52
for you. Yeah, and you know we glamorize it for kids,
50:57
like the kids at parties drinking having a good time
50:59
with fucking bad for you. Don't do it, yeah, but
51:02
you can't. You also can't tell them don't drink, because
51:06
if you tell them don't drink, they just want to drink.
51:08
You kind of guting them.
51:10
Speaker 2: Well, you Europe tends to have like a better it
51:14
seems as a whole. I'm sure they have their problems too.
51:16
Speaker 1: But it much better.
51:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, their ease into it, right, have a
51:21
little like less is more without with anything, Actually less
51:24
is more.
51:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not forbidden. Yeah, so you can have a
51:28
glass of wine with your family when you're eleven, twelve
51:31
years old. You know, it's not that big a deal.
51:33
Speaker 2: That Protestant culture we have is very rigid. Don't do
51:37
this or you're gonna die.
51:39
Speaker 1: It creates drug addicts and hoes. People just want to
51:44
not listen to their parents. They just want to do
51:46
something that's fucking like whatever you're doing, I'm doing the
51:49
opposite because you are fucking annoying and you've been the
51:52
bane of my existence. As soon as I get out
51:54
of this house, I'm smoking crack.
51:56
Speaker 2: Fuck you, dad, do you know what you're talking about?
51:58
Speaker 1: So, to get back to your question, the problem with
52:01
legalization is you're gonna have a bunch of people that
52:03
do drugs that wouldn't do drugs normally. Because it's legal,
52:06
they're gonna try.
52:07
Speaker 2: About when you're of age, like I don't call it
52:09
twenty five.
52:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even then, you're gonna have a bunch of
52:11
people that don't like their life and just decide to
52:14
go to the corner store and pick up some heroin. However,
52:19
what you're not going to do is empower the drug
52:22
cartels and organize crime. And that's what we're doing now.
52:26
So in one way or another, people are going to
52:29
get drugs. So how are they gonna get drugs during prohibition. Well,
52:32
they're gonna get drugs from criminals. That's what they've always done.
52:34
That's what they did during the alcohol prohibition. That's what
52:37
people do. And when you've got a multi billion dollar industry,
52:41
maybe trillion dollar industry right next door to us, which
52:45
is Mexico, and then just bringing it through, bringing it through,
52:48
like what do we do when we empowering them or
52:51
would you rather have it legal and have a substantial
52:54
portion of those profits block out everything that comes in illegally,
52:58
have a substantial amount of the profits put to rehabilitation
53:02
and treatment.
53:03
Speaker 2: So people don't also think from a like a quality
53:06
perspective too, Like you're like, hey, that's cool, we get it.
53:09
People are gonna do this, but we're gonna monitor it
53:12
and make sure it is what it says it is.
53:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, alcohol is legal. There's a lot of people
53:17
that don't drink. They don't like it. They don't like
53:20
the way it makes them feel, they don't like the
53:21
way it makes them act, They say stupid things, they
53:23
feel like shit in the morning. They don't drink. That
53:26
will be the same with cocaine, that will be the
53:28
same with heroin. However, there's some people that are alcoholics,
53:31
and alcohol is legal and it's everywhere, and these people
53:33
will hit bars and get fucked up every night, and
53:35
their life is gonna be a mess, and they're gonna
53:37
die of liver poisoning. That's normal too. It's very unfortunate.
53:40
But you can't nerve the world.
53:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you gotta like trust a little bit that.
53:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be really hard to sell to America
53:49
that cocaine, heroin, and meth are now all legal. It'll
53:54
be really hard to sell them. But I think ultimately
53:58
it'd probably be for Yeah, all those those are less troublesome.
54:03
You know, not a lot of people are dying from MDMA,
54:05
but people definitely abuse it and they never get addicted
54:08
to it. They're doing it all the time. Apparently, that
54:10
whole thing about making holes in your brain is bullshit.
54:13
Speaker 2: Oh really that was a campaign.
54:15
Speaker 1: Well, I think it was probably just some internet horseshitt's
54:19
let's find out what it does. MDMA does? Does MDMA
54:23
cause holes in your brain? Put that in there. See
54:26
what perplexity has to say. Well, they think they've proved.
54:29
Speaker 2: The couple's therapy, right, I mean that was the impetus
54:32
of the whole thing.
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rogan meet your match at ZipRecruiter. Well, I know they
55:35
do use it for couple's therapy, but it's also really
55:37
good for soldiers with PTSD, and that's what MAPS has
55:42
done with their studies. That's the big focus of their
55:44
studies is PTSD with MDMA. There's something about MDMA's the
55:50
empathy that it gives you, the compassion that gives you
55:52
lets you drop a lot of things through in your head. No,
55:54
MDMA does not literally punch holes in the brain that
55:57
would show up as empty gaps on a scan, but
56:00
high or repeated doses can damage serotonin neurons and alter
56:04
brain signaling, especially with heavy use. So the holes where
56:09
the wholes idea come from. Anti drug companies popularized dramatic
56:13
brain scan images that were described as showing holes, but
56:16
these are actually areas of reduced activity or reduced binding
56:19
of certain markers, not physical gaps in brain tissue. Still,
56:23
that sounds bad. Reduced activity, reduced binding of certain markers,
56:28
that sounds terrible.
56:30
Speaker 2: I chalk up all this. It's like moderation to everything. Yeah,
56:35
less of everything. It's like I disagree with some people
56:39
that I really trust. You know, you know what's his name,
56:43
doctor Paul Saladino, the carnivore doctor. Yeah, I really like
56:47
most of what he says. But he's like, don't drink.
56:50
And it's like it's like, well, maybe, but also it's
56:55
maybe pretty nice to have a glass of wine. It's
56:57
nice to laugh with friends, and it's nice like that's
57:00
important to in life, and I think balance. We can
57:03
you tip the scale one way if you're totally extreme,
57:06
and then you're just like the social life and you're
57:08
you know, you can't you know, go out and like,
57:11
you know, really enjoy yourself for a second. Yeah, it's important, moderation, moneration,
57:16
and you're absolutely right about social life being what.
57:19
Speaker 1: Loneliness kills people quicker than anything else. Yeah, people that
57:24
are lonely, they have a They die younger than people
57:26
who smoke cigarettes.
57:28
Speaker 2: That isn't that crazy?
57:28
Speaker 1: Wow, it's bad for you. Yeah, it's being lonely is
57:31
actually bad for you. Feeling bad is bad for you.
57:34
I mean it seems like it should be right, it's bad.
57:35
It feels bad, probably bad for you. Feeling good is
57:38
good for you. So a little tipsy with your friends.
57:40
You're laughing. I love you. I love you too, bro.
57:43
It's great.
57:43
Speaker 2: It's great.
57:44
Speaker 1: It's great for people. Yeah, you're gonna feel like shit.
57:46
It takes your electro li likes, take your take your electrolytes.
57:49
Drink a lot of water. Get in the fucking sauna. Yeah, yeah,
57:52
don't do it every day. Don't do it. Get an
57:56
ivy Dave Chabelle taught me that trick. When I was
57:59
torn with Dave. All he would do is like after
58:01
shows they would just get ivs. He would get vitamin
58:05
ivs in the morning. They would do it all the time,
58:07
to big bags of glued to thigh own to deal
58:09
with the alcohol. Yeah. Yeah, you'd go into like they
58:14
would have a room. You go into the room to
58:16
be like eight of us there, all hooked up to
58:18
ivy bags talking shit. It was fun. That sounds good,
58:22
but it's smart, Like, that's how you counteract the fact that, look,
58:25
he takes a lot of there's a lot of benefit,
58:27
particularly for his job. Right, Like Dave's job is being
58:31
silly and pointing out ridiculous aspects of our society. What
58:35
better way to do that than to be talking shit
58:38
with your friends with a couple drinks in.
58:40
Speaker 2: You imagine all the things you would have missed that
58:43
wouldn't have been in your comedy, that wouldn't have been
58:46
in your life. And you've just I got to go home.
58:48
Now it's eight o'clock. I got to go home. You're like,
58:52
that's bored exactly. You become a boring person too.
58:54
Speaker 1: But there's also balance. Sometimes you have to realize, like
58:57
I've done this stance before, I got to get up
58:59
at six. See you guys, Yep, it's good to that too.
59:02
It's like you have you have to have discipline, but
59:04
you also have to have the ability to cut loose.
59:06
And it's hard. It's hard to balance those things out,
59:09
you know, Like you're saying about vitamins, like some get
59:11
off the boat. I'm on the boat, you know like that.
59:13
It's like there's some things that should be non negotiable,
59:17
and for me there's two. There's nutrition and exercise. Those
59:20
are non negotiables. All the other things I'll fuck around.
59:23
Speaker 2: With in terms of like they're all bonus, right, yeah,
59:26
bonus rounds. You have to get cardio, you have to
59:29
hit weights, you got a stretch, you got to get
59:31
good sleep.
59:32
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have to do the workout stuff just for
59:34
my brain above the body stuff. It's great to keep
59:37
the body healthy and I'm very aware of that and
59:39
I think about that as well. But for me, it's
59:42
my brain. When I have a nice, good hard workout day,
59:45
I'm so easy going. I'm so free.
59:48
Speaker 2: Do you have adhd Oh yeah for sure, Okay, same, I.
59:51
Speaker 1: Think everybody does. Anybody is any good at anything.
59:54
Speaker 2: Every adhdin everyone has it.
59:56
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a superpower.
59:58
Speaker 2: No, I do too. We still people. And you're probably dyslexic. No,
1:00:02
not really, okay, because that goes hand in hand quite often. Yeah,
1:00:07
and and.
1:00:08
Speaker 1: Are you just like I'm just lexic? And so explain
1:00:11
to me what you see when you like see text?
1:00:14
I jump?
1:00:15
Speaker 2: I jump, so you know you need to go left
1:00:18
to right. My brain starts and then jumps and then
1:00:22
it goes.
1:00:22
Speaker 1: Is it regardless of the subject matter. It's like if
1:00:24
you're thinking, if you're reading about something really interesting, does
1:00:27
it do the same thing.
1:00:28
Speaker 2: Yeah? And now it just takes intense focus for me
1:00:32
to read. And once I get in a good rhythm,
1:00:35
I can get going. I can train my brain to
1:00:37
read better. But when I'm not focused or there's other
1:00:43
things going on, I jump, and then my brain has
1:00:47
a really tough time. So I get tired very easily.
1:00:50
And then it's like, oh and I get you know,
1:00:51
I get a little frustrated tired, and then I fall asleep.
1:00:54
Hmmm like that.
1:00:56
Speaker 1: I do fall asleep if I try to read at night.
1:00:58
But I don't have a hard time reading, so I
1:01:00
don't have the dyslexic thing, but I've had friends that
1:01:04
have it, and I don't understand. I'm like, so you
1:01:06
see it right, and you're going through it, But what
1:01:09
is going on in your brain where it's making you
1:01:11
jump back and forth? I don't know.
1:01:12
Speaker 2: I think it's just losing focus.
1:01:14
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. In regardless of the like,
1:01:16
it could be the most important thing you've ever read,
1:01:19
you know, Like what if you just like won the lottery.
1:01:21
You got a piece of paper in the mail, Scott,
1:01:23
I'm reading that you just won five and you're like,
1:01:27
wait a minute, do I owe five billion? What is
1:01:28
that saying? I can't read this? Read this for me? Yeah?
1:01:31
Speaker 2: No, I don't. Yeah, it's just I don't know if
1:01:33
it's about it's about.
1:01:34
Speaker 1: The text messages are cool.
1:01:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's all. It's just it's harder. And now,
1:01:41
you know, like when I grew up, they didn't give
1:01:45
any sort of special treatment to that. Now it's almost
1:01:48
mandatory in schools if you're dyslexic. They give you more
1:01:52
time for test taking, they give you more time for reading.
1:01:54
They have you know, teachers that will help with the
1:01:58
dyslexia of there's tools you can use now.
1:02:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got kind of boned check something here.
1:02:04
Speaker 3: This is something weird, could be related. I've been seeing
1:02:08
this a lot online and I'm very curious about this.
1:02:11
Speaker 1: Uh.
1:02:12
Speaker 3: People are saying there's a link between ADHD symptoms. I
1:02:16
guess we'll call it and histamine levels in your body.
1:02:20
And I brought this up on the screen. It's not
1:02:23
on shown for everybody, but there's something that pops up
1:02:26
about it. There is some studies to it, and what
1:02:28
I've been seeing is this link. People are taking zertech
1:02:31
and pepsidac together, which creates some sort of histamine receptor
1:02:37
blocking HU interesting, And this is where I'm like.
1:02:40
Speaker 1: I don't it blocks histamine receptors locating in the blood, vessels, airway,
1:02:44
and skin and reducing allergic responses sinus congestion. So they're
1:02:48
saying that it's it's a reaction to histamine.
1:02:51
Speaker 3: That's like, that's the mixture of ztech axertex more like allergies.
1:02:54
Everyone's into that pepsidac is like acid, And I wonder if.
1:02:58
Speaker 1: There's different things that they're talking about when they're saying ADHD.
1:03:02
Like I could see people being easily distracted But when
1:03:05
I say ADHD, the people that I know that haven't.
1:03:09
Usually there's one or two things in their life that
1:03:12
they can really fucking focus on, you know, whether it's
1:03:15
playing golf or whatever. It is a thing that you
1:03:17
do where you could just focus on that. But other
1:03:20
stuff you're just scatter brained and you can't. And they'll say, oh,
1:03:22
you have ADHD, you know, or you know you're thinking
1:03:26
a million things at once. You can't focus. That's what
1:03:28
they always call ADHD. But everyone that I know that
1:03:31
has that, it's always whether or not they're interested in
1:03:34
the thing. Sure, as soon as they find the thing
1:03:36
they're interested in, they can lock in for fucking twelve
1:03:39
hours and forget to eat.
1:03:41
Speaker 2: Well, you know, some some people when pressure sorry to
1:03:44
cut you off. When like you squeeze people, they either
1:03:47
excel or they fold when you squeeze. Typically I excel,
1:03:52
So I don't know where that comes from. But when
1:03:56
you put the pressure on, I mean that's why maybe
1:03:58
you know I can do the job I do. Like
1:04:00
there's two hundred people looking at you.
1:04:02
Speaker 1: It's emotional.
1:04:03
Speaker 2: Scene got to get yourself to tears or it's emotional
1:04:06
and it's like you squeeze some people are good at it.
1:04:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's also you had to be good at
1:04:12
it because you didn't have a backup plan, you know,
1:04:16
that's also part of it. It's like, you know, your
1:04:19
dad wasn't going to help you out. You really were
1:04:21
out there. Like, if you want to make it in anything,
1:04:23
you have to be able to perform, like no matter
1:04:26
what it is. If you're a lawyer, when you're in court,
1:04:28
you have to perform. You have to you have to
1:04:30
be able to like keep your shit together and execute.
1:04:33
That's your job relies on that. And if you're a
1:04:35
focused person, you recognize that and you work hard to
1:04:38
make sure that you focus and that you can execute
1:04:41
when when it's important. It's like people that avoid things
1:04:45
that make them uncomfortable they never developed that skill. And
1:04:48
that's very unfortunate because it's one of the most important
1:04:51
skills you could ever have with anything. It's being able
1:04:53
to focus and being able to perform under pressure. It's
1:04:57
very important, and we're missing that in life. You know,
1:05:00
we don't have these life or death moments like that
1:05:02
our ancestors had all the time, where some fucking villagers
1:05:06
are sneaking up over the hill and you spot them
1:05:07
and you run back to the fucking camp and you
1:05:09
grab the bows and arrows and you go to war.
1:05:11
Like we don't have that, So we don't have like
1:05:15
like a constant checking of whether or not your pressure
1:05:18
system is functional.
1:05:20
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean to bring it to this movie that
1:05:23
I've got coming out tomorrow. It's a World War two movie,
1:05:28
Lucky Strike. I'll say the name plug it. Uh. That
1:05:31
generation of men had that right because they I mean
1:05:37
World War Two. I talked to my dad about it,
1:05:39
what it was like. He was only like twelve years
1:05:41
old when World War Two was going on, but he
1:05:44
says he remembers listening to the radio and everyone in
1:05:47
the family listening like you could hear pins and needles,
1:05:50
because it was we didn't know what was gonna happen.
1:05:54
I mean, people were scared for their life, even back
1:05:57
home in America. They didn't know it was gonna happen.
1:06:01
And that, I think is why that generation of men
1:06:05
and women are just from a different breed, you know,
1:06:08
and you know you've said it before on your podcast.
1:06:11
It's like the hard, hard men, you know, create easier times,
1:06:14
easier times create and it's like the cycle that we're in.
1:06:17
It it's mhm, it's yeah, I don't know, it's uh,
1:06:22
I know. I think we need a little bit of that.
1:06:24
We need a little harder, harder men.
1:06:27
Speaker 1: Well, we need to stop using this term toxic masculinity. No,
1:06:31
there's criminal behavior. Like toxic masculinity is the guy who
1:06:34
beats people up and robs people in rapes. That's toxic man.
1:06:37
That's criminal behavior. Okay, masculine behavior is not. Its protective
1:06:42
masculine behavior is a guy who gets things done, provides
1:06:45
for his family, takes care of people. You can call
1:06:48
on at two o'clock in the morning because you need
1:06:49
a favor, you're stuck on the side of the road.
1:06:51
Like all that shit is important. Strong people are good.
1:06:55
It's it's good to have strong people. Like in this
1:06:58
idea that somehow know the strength is ad for society,
1:07:01
it's like really crazy. It's like no, it's the strength
1:07:04
needs to be channeled correctly. And that's why I think
1:07:07
we have to encourage more people to exercise. And I
1:07:09
would say for men, you should at least try martial arts.
1:07:14
It's so good for your brain, it's so good for
1:07:16
your confidence, it's so good your ability, and you're also
1:07:20
your understanding of like your vulnerability. So many people are
1:07:24
fucking delusional. I've seen so many drunk people that don't
1:07:27
know how to fight start fights and you're like, do
1:07:29
you want to die? Are you trying to die? Because
1:07:33
you gonna you gotta run into some fucking guy who
1:07:35
knows how to fight, and he's gonna hit you in
1:07:37
the face and you're gonna bounce your head off the
1:07:39
fucking concrete. You're gonna die. So stop stop doing this.
1:07:43
But that delusional comes from not being around bostics all
1:07:48
the time. Yeah, not sharpened, having experience, knowing what it
1:07:53
actually is. And it's dangerous and you should. You should
1:07:57
do some dangerous things in your life. It's probably good
1:07:59
for you. It's good to experience a little bit of fear.
1:08:02
It's good to be nervous. It's like you got to grow.
1:08:05
And we are we're in a society where people just
1:08:08
want relaxation, they want comfort, they want entertainment, and they
1:08:12
just want to be sedentary. And that is fucking terrible
1:08:15
for our mental health. Coincidentally, we're in a mental health crisis.
1:08:20
We're a giant percentage of people who act that way
1:08:23
were sedentary and overweight and not taking care of themselves
1:08:26
are mentally ill.
1:08:27
Speaker 2: You said something that was interesting, the being scared, being
1:08:30
really scared and pushing through that thing whatever it is. Yeah,
1:08:33
for me when I you know, it's been martial arts,
1:08:36
but it's also been surfing and you know, being scared
1:08:39
for your life on big days and going through that
1:08:42
and getting to the other side. You've never been calmer,
1:08:45
You've never been more zen with nature and clear in
1:08:49
your mind about and happy because you've accomplished them and
1:08:54
you've pushed your boundaries. You kept pushing them and pushing
1:08:57
them and pushing them.
1:08:57
Speaker 1: How old when you start surfing?
1:09:00
Speaker 2: I was young eight ten? Oh wow, Yeah, I mean
1:09:05
you know where it was like and and you know,
1:09:07
at first it's you know, these ways scare you, and
1:09:10
then it's you know, the you know, bigger than the
1:09:12
room scare you, and and you go through these it
1:09:15
kind of could be you feel like life and death
1:09:17
experience if you you know, if you push, if you're
1:09:20
pushing yourself.
1:09:20
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a shark situation.
1:09:23
Speaker 2: I've seen sharks, but never in a way that that's
1:09:28
been like, oh my god, I'm.
1:09:29
Speaker 1: In bro If I saw a shark, that would be
1:09:31
oh my God, I'm on a styrofoam fucking yeah.
1:09:36
Speaker 2: Well, there's there's a difference between between you know, seeing
1:09:40
a shark further away, or seeing a shark on a boat,
1:09:45
or seeing a shark you know isn't gonna hurt you.
1:09:47
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You have a conversation with
1:09:49
the shark? Bro right.
1:09:51
Speaker 2: No, but look, you spent you spend as much time
1:09:53
in the water. You spend much time in the water,
1:09:57
as you know. The surfer have done it their whole life.
1:10:00
You you you kind of understand what what sharks are gonna hurt?
1:10:03
Speaker 1: What's going on here?
1:10:04
Speaker 3: Jamie great White talking and powder borders last week?
1:10:06
Speaker 1: Oh great, oh good lord? Do they even know it's happening?
1:10:13
Oh my god? How do they not see that?
1:10:14
Speaker 3: Finn not looking behind them?
1:10:17
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they didn't even see it? That's you sure?
1:10:19
This is an AI it's ABC News. Wow.
1:10:23
Speaker 2: But I don't actually don't think there's any more sharks.
1:10:25
I think there's just more cameras, you know, there's just
1:10:29
more people with drones and cameras seeing them.
1:10:32
Speaker 1: Well, there has been heightened shark activity in some places
1:10:35
where people are for sure, I think particularly in northern California.
1:10:41
I think in Audralia too. Yeah, well, Australia is a
1:10:43
lot of man. They seem to be angry over there too.
1:10:48
Their sharks are angry everything something fucking. Their crocodiles are angry.
1:10:53
They fucked people up. I was reading reading about this
1:10:56
guy who was the first guy to die in an
1:11:00
alligator attack in Texas since eighteen thirty something, and the
1:11:06
story is now I don't know if this is true. Jamie,
1:11:09
pull this up, see if it's true. The guy's name
1:11:13
supposedly rest in peace, Tommy Tommy Woodward. He was drinking
1:11:16
with some friends in a marina in Orange, Texas when
1:11:19
he decided to swim in Adams Buy You. People warned
1:11:23
him about a massive alligator that had been seen in
1:11:25
the water. His friend pointed out near the dock, and
1:11:29
his response was fuck that gator. That was the last
1:11:32
thing he said. And then they killed the gator killed him.
1:11:36
He was the first guy killed from an alligator in
1:11:38
Texas since eighteen thirty six.
1:11:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't swim in the buy You.
1:11:44
Speaker 1: But that is one of the most Texas fucking things
1:11:46
that anybody's ever said, Fuck that gator. Right before he died,
1:11:51
he's probably drunk as fuck. He jumped into Fuck that
1:11:57
gator is a wild thing to say before the game,
1:12:00
to eat you, and that's you know, humility. Gotta have
1:12:03
a little humility, Tommy, Tommy, don't say fuck that gator.
1:12:07
Here it is man mocks alligator, jumps in water and
1:12:09
is killed.
1:12:11
Speaker 2: Oh this is recent No.
1:12:13
Speaker 3: Fifteen.
1:12:15
Speaker 1: So what is the story? What does it say? Does
1:12:18
it say he said fuck that gator? In this article?
1:12:21
Fuck that guy? So there's a sign that's supposted it
1:12:24
says no swimming alligators and uh, oh yeah it said it.
1:12:29
He removed his shirt, removed his billfold. Someone shouted a warning,
1:12:32
and he said, blank that gat blank the alligators fucking
1:12:37
He said, fuck lucky blank. Why didn't they just right
1:12:41
f dash dash dash jumped in the water and almost
1:12:44
immediately yelled for help.
1:12:45
Speaker 3: That could have been with the guy actually quoted even
1:12:47
though he you know, he wasn't quoting him. Maybe he
1:12:50
doesn't flexing the F word.
1:12:51
Speaker 1: Right right, right, right? Yeah, immediately yelling for help is crazy.
1:12:59
Oh yeah, I was in Florida a couple of years back.
1:13:04
We went alligator hunting, and uh, they are everywhere, like
1:13:09
it's kind of disconcerting. We're in the Everglades, like in
1:13:12
there there's a ranch where you can go hunt alligators.
1:13:15
It is Uh, they're everywhere. It's not hard to find them.
1:13:19
They're fucking all over the place. Like it's how many
1:13:21
of them are there that you don't see? Is the
1:13:23
real question. It's a weird feeling because I thought like
1:13:27
it would be like hunting elk, like you gotta go
1:13:29
find them, like would be glass and for him, where's
1:13:32
the elk? Go over the next ridge. Do you hear anything?
1:13:34
Somebody make a call? Do you hear that out there? No? No, no, no, no, no,
1:13:38
there's there's one. Oh, there's one. Oh, there's one. Oh,
1:13:41
here's one. Or here's a dead one. Here's one. Another
1:13:44
alligator killed. They're fucking look at this.
1:13:46
Speaker 2: No thanks, dinosaurs.
1:13:47
Speaker 1: Where is this? This is guy's tent? Yea oh god, bro,
1:13:51
run you get that video off. What I've seen? This
1:13:54
is this in like Brazil, This is in Brazil. I
1:13:58
think this guy, Oh fuck all that.
1:14:01
Speaker 2: Look all the eyes. Oh I didn't see that. That
1:14:04
was what I was trying to God, that's terrified.
1:14:10
Speaker 1: So they must all come out of the water at night.
1:14:12
And this dude put his tent there. Oh my god, dude,
1:14:18
that is insane. That's insane. And you know they're all hungry.
1:14:21
There's that many of them. How many deer can they eat?
1:14:24
You know, they're not small at all, dude, they all
1:14:27
could eat you. Fuck all that. But the weird feeling
1:14:31
about Florida being there was the just the sheer numbers
1:14:34
of them, and then knowing how many pythons there are.
1:14:37
And I didn't see any pythons, but I go, how
1:14:39
many do you guys see pythons? Of it? Bro Like,
1:14:42
occasionally you'll be just driving you'll see something making its
1:14:44
way across the road and it's fifteen feet long. No,
1:14:49
like a fucking football player's thigh.
1:14:52
Speaker 2: I don't mess with that, So I don't. I'm I
1:14:54
would way rather be in the water with sharks, because
1:14:57
at least you can you can you know, you can.
1:15:01
Speaker 1: A tree if you're out in the woods.
1:15:04
Speaker 2: But in the bye you I don't know, man's tree, swamp.
1:15:06
Speaker 1: It's yeah, don't go in the water water there. But
1:15:11
outside of the water, I would wait rather be on ground.
1:15:13
Speaker 2: If you're like, if you have you know, distance, the gun,
1:15:17
you have a lot of things when you're in the
1:15:19
water with a shark, You're fucked, man. You can barely
1:15:21
move well, you can actually if you if you they're
1:15:24
really deterrent by if you touch their nose. So if
1:15:26
they're coming at you and you poke them hit their nose,
1:15:29
they're usually going to turn for real.
1:15:32
Speaker 1: Yeah have you done this? Get so that's crazy. So
1:15:36
when they come after you, don't flip your legs and
1:15:37
scream and fronto them. Bop them on the nose them.
1:15:43
I've heard that before. I've heard punch them. I'm like,
1:15:45
what are you talking about. Yeah, here it says bop
1:15:48
the nose. I'll punching a shark in the face. Save
1:15:51
this hollow Hawaiian surfer.
1:15:53
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not good either way. You don't want
1:15:55
to be in the water with an angry shark.
1:15:57
Speaker 1: Well, in Florida, they don't have many shark problems, but
1:16:01
they do have bull sharks. And I was watching this
1:16:03
video there's these guys that go fishing. I guess it's
1:16:06
the Keys, and they go off of this giant bridge
1:16:10
and it's like real far to the water. So they
1:16:12
have to have this like gaff system where they drop
1:16:14
a line down then they gaff the fishing enough to
1:16:16
pull it up. They're catching these tunas and they never
1:16:19
get them to the to the to the bridge. They're
1:16:21
just getting destroyed by sharks. The sharks all over the
1:16:24
place down there. Yeah.
1:16:25
Speaker 2: Bull sharks are real dangerous because they they'll keep attacking,
1:16:29
whereas a lot of sharks bite out of you know,
1:16:31
misconfusion right there. They sort of think you're a seal
1:16:34
or something and know and then they bite the Yeah, okay,
1:16:37
bull sharks they'll just keep coming.
1:16:40
Speaker 1: They're like little chihuahuas, like pit bulls. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
1:16:44
fuck those things. They catch them a lot. Now, what
1:16:47
is going on with this guy?
1:16:49
Speaker 3: Bull sharks eating of the tuna? Oh really, I thought
1:16:52
this is the video. There's actually no views on.
1:16:55
Speaker 1: That may uh well, this guy's actually in the water.
1:16:58
The guys that I've seen is this the keys as well, I.
1:17:00
Speaker 3: Said, big sharks circling. I thought it was going to
1:17:02
be a little more exciting than this.
1:17:04
Speaker 1: Oh. Man, imagine you're pulling a fish in. You see
1:17:06
a shark, You're like, you just take it. Take the fish,
1:17:10
Jesus Christ. But a lot of guys that they pulled
1:17:12
them in, they're caught in half, you know, so you
1:17:15
can they bull shark fish down there. Now you can
1:17:17
catch bull sharks every day. They're trying to reduce the
1:17:20
population because apparently it's a very high population. You know,
1:17:23
bull sharks are the reason why Jaws was made. Do
1:17:26
you know the original story behind Jaws? The inspiration was
1:17:30
actually bull shark attacks in fresh water on a river
1:17:34
in New Jersey. So bull sharks are one of the
1:17:37
weird sharks that can live in fresh water.
1:17:39
Speaker 3: And yeah, is this the thing nineteen sixteen.
1:17:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is the They caught that bull shark
1:17:47
and they killed I think two people, right, a series
1:17:53
of shark attacks. Four people were killed and one critically injured.
1:17:57
Instance occurred during a deadly summer heat wave and polio
1:18:01
epidemic the United States that drove thousands of people the
1:18:03
seaside resorts in the Jersey shore. So they think it's
1:18:07
a bull shark, it says. There's been a debate, but
1:18:09
it's in fresh water. It's not gonna be.
1:18:11
Speaker 3: A fortieth anniversary Jaws screening in that bay and people
1:18:15
sat in the water to watch them.
1:18:19
Speaker 1: Also natural selection, but they've they've found bull sharks as
1:18:25
far north as Illinois.
1:18:27
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, up the river Syce. Yeah, they make their
1:18:29
way up the river. That's scary, that's crazy.
1:18:32
Speaker 1: It's the most aggressive shark and they found them in
1:18:35
fresh water. I think that dude that used to have
1:18:38
that show River Monsters. You remember that guy? Oh?
1:18:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the show.
1:18:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. The guy was just caught fish all the time,
1:18:44
like the craziest redneck. No, he wasn't a redneck, wasn't.
1:18:47
It was actually like an educated guy with a foreign accent.
1:18:51
Where was he from? River Monsters? Yeah? I remember the show.
1:18:54
Speaker 2: I just don't.
1:18:54
Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever watched it. I just
1:18:56
remember seeing it.
1:18:57
Speaker 3: What's it many?
1:18:59
Speaker 1: From the River Monsters guy? The guy with the gray hair.
1:19:04
He was a fisherman, Jeremy Wade. That's his day. Yeah.
1:19:07
Where's he from? He's not from America? Right, British? There
1:19:11
you go, yeah, British biologists. I think he did an
1:19:14
episode on the bull sharks. I think there was one
1:19:17
of those where they were trying to catch them in
1:19:19
fresh water. They realized, like these things they go way
1:19:21
up the rivers. Yeah, way, and they can live in
1:19:24
fresh water, unlike all the regular sharks. I think maybe
1:19:28
some of them can, but I think most of them
1:19:30
have to be in saltwater, like Great Whites stuff like that.
1:19:33
But they do.
1:19:33
Speaker 2: I mean, they've tagged great whites and they they'll go
1:19:36
around the world.
1:19:36
Speaker 1: I mean you think they would have.
1:19:38
Speaker 2: They thought, you know, historically that they stayed in certain
1:19:41
temperature of waters and certain migrating patterns, but they found
1:19:44
them all over.
1:19:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, my daughter got really into Mega Don's at one
1:19:48
point in time, so we really started like researching Mega don.
1:19:51
Speaker 2: Sheting, No, not.
1:19:54
Speaker 1: Really, you know what I mean, for the Oh no,
1:19:56
they just got one online. But you you start watching
1:19:59
doc documentaries on megaladon's and you know, and then there's
1:20:02
the people that think that megadons might still be out there,
1:20:05
and you're like, Okay, probably not. But either way, like
1:20:08
the fact that that thing actually exists, shark the size
1:20:11
of a whale out they're fucking everything up. Like you,
1:20:16
you wouldn't be surfing if there was megaladons, would you?
1:20:20
Speaker 2: I probably still would. I mean, I mean, I don't,
1:20:22
I don't know. I mean, it's not a bad way
1:20:26
to die. I guess you.
1:20:29
Speaker 1: Have to get you'll suffocate and get digested.
1:20:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, out there doing something you love.
1:20:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's a good story, I guess for
1:20:36
other people.
1:20:37
Speaker 2: I mean, it would be pretty quick. You know what's worse.
1:20:40
What's worse, you've lived this crazy long life and you're
1:20:44
in bed for the last five to seven years of
1:20:47
your life, and you're hurting and you're like dealing with
1:20:50
cancer or this that we're just damn get it by
1:20:52
a shark. I don't know.
1:20:54
Speaker 1: I think kind of yeah, I could see it, I guess.
1:20:58
But still the ins to stay alive is so strong. Yeah,
1:21:02
when I'm one hundred years old and in my bed,
1:21:04
I'm like, maybe they're gonna have a new drug. They're
1:21:06
gonna bring me back to life. Yeah, they probably will
1:21:09
be able to do that too, which is gonna get
1:21:11
real weird if they really can take old people, Like
1:21:14
I was watching this video where they were talking about
1:21:17
human skin cells. At least in a lab, they've been
1:21:20
able to take human skin cells and take like sixty
1:21:23
year old skin cells and make them twenty again. Yeah,
1:21:27
that's gonna be really weird.
1:21:29
Speaker 2: Well, I just don't here. Here's the thing. I'm all
1:21:31
about living the best version of your life, being as
1:21:35
healthy as you can, maybe not for like that whatever
1:21:40
you get like being optimal, but isn't kind of the
1:21:44
most beautiful thing about life is that it is finite.
1:21:47
And then it's like people like I'm gonna live forever.
1:21:49
It's like, I don't know if I want to live forever.
1:21:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, there's something to that.
1:21:54
Speaker 2: Man.
1:21:54
Speaker 3: Have you seen this trailer for this movie called White
1:21:57
Whale Fall? Actually, Josh Brolin happens to be mentioned him.
1:22:00
What happens eating by a whale? No way, it's in
1:22:04
the trailer, so it's not a spoiler, and it's about
1:22:06
him surviving.
1:22:08
Speaker 1: Is it real?
1:22:09
Speaker 2: I don't believe through that.
1:22:11
Speaker 1: Guys. It's done in the whale's mouth.
1:22:13
Speaker 3: Oh scuba diving, Oh Jesus. And then the rest of
1:22:16
the movie is about.
1:22:18
Speaker 2: Getting out, getting out.
1:22:19
Speaker 1: I guess, well, how long does he stay inside the
1:22:21
whale's body?
1:22:22
Speaker 3: Real?
1:22:22
Speaker 1: Comp I bet he's eighty five to ninety five minutes
1:22:26
inside with his scuba tank inside the whales body. This
1:22:29
is Banana's just joking. Oh my god, it just keeps
1:22:32
swallowing it.
1:22:33
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what the movie is.
1:22:34
Speaker 1: Oh god, damn, it is that real? Is the Oh
1:22:39
my god?
1:22:40
Speaker 3: I saw the trailer recently and I was just think
1:22:42
of it talking about it.
1:22:43
Speaker 1: It might be awesome or the dumbest movie that's ever
1:22:45
been made. I can't decide.
1:22:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
1:22:48
Speaker 1: What do you do if you have a knife, do
1:22:49
you try to carve your way.
1:22:50
Speaker 2: Out of the whale?
1:22:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to have a knife.
1:22:54
Speaker 1: But how much time would it take you to carve
1:22:55
your way out of a whale? Forever? You're gonna run
1:22:58
out of air? If you have the scuba tank and
1:23:00
you have a knife, do you really think you can
1:23:02
get through a whale? And how much a fish? But
1:23:06
it's not a it's a fucking buss. You're very motivated,
1:23:12
that's true, it's true, but you got to get through
1:23:14
rib cages.
1:23:15
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a thick enough plot to
1:23:18
have a.
1:23:18
Speaker 1: Whole movement the script, Scott, this is the big this
1:23:26
is it? This is our jaws?
1:23:28
Speaker 2: Oh god, the business sometimes just that's so bad.
1:23:32
Speaker 1: How long would it take you to carve your way
1:23:33
out of a whale?
1:23:35
Speaker 3: He fuot sperm whale and he's got less than an
1:23:37
hour of oxygen.
1:23:38
Speaker 1: Oh so that's enough time. I don't think that's enough time.
1:23:43
You don't got to call it call through eighty feet.
1:23:45
I think if you kept cutting it up, it might
1:23:47
throw up. If you kept cutting the inside of his tongue,
1:23:51
just kept slashing at all that he might just throw
1:23:54
you out. Yeah, he might recognize there's something wrong, Like
1:23:58
you would like if something was if you put something
1:24:00
in your mouth and sorry, biting your tongue, and you'd
1:24:01
be like you try to get rid of it. I
1:24:04
would imagine the whale would do that too. It I
1:24:05
just start sucking up his tongue.
1:24:07
Speaker 2: There you go.
1:24:08
Speaker 1: Also to keep you from getting digested, Just stab him
1:24:11
and just pull yourself forward and stab again. Have an
1:24:15
exit plan.
1:24:15
Speaker 2: You've got a plan.
1:24:16
Speaker 1: You're not gonna cut your way out. I just think
1:24:18
there's too much bone. I don't think you're gonna make
1:24:21
through it through that bone unless you go through I
1:24:24
don't even know where you would go, like the neck.
1:24:27
I could figure out how to get through on an elk.
1:24:29
I will go that way. I would go where the
1:24:32
holes are. There's holes back here, where the you know,
1:24:35
the guts are, and there's holes up here, you know,
1:24:38
like where you shoot them. If you're shooting in a frontel.
1:24:40
Speaker 2: They're not gonna cast you in this movie're like, he's
1:24:42
getting out too quick.
1:24:43
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm getting out quick. I think I'm
1:24:45
dying of no air. I don't think I'm gonna make it.
1:24:47
Speaker 3: Let's look at the natomy of a sperm whale.
1:24:49
Speaker 1: Here, you're gonna be okay, you see, I want to
1:24:52
get out through the neck. See right there, that's where
1:24:54
I want to get out. But all that stuff there
1:24:57
if you yeah, but you're not, it's gonna take too
1:24:59
long for you to get through all those.
1:25:01
Speaker 2: You go right to the sphincter and just like you know, open, Yeah.
1:25:05
Speaker 1: I just convince him to digest quickly. No, there's too
1:25:09
much traveling. Okay, you're gonna want to You're gonna want
1:25:12
to go through where you came in.
1:25:13
Speaker 3: You don't want to go through the intestines.
1:25:15
Speaker 1: And also you're dealing with acids. They're gonna burn. And
1:25:18
I think you want to cut through the front. So
1:25:21
I think, as he's swallowing you, you got to dig
1:25:24
in and you got to make your way through the
1:25:26
bottom of his jaw. You gotta start cutting and maybe
1:25:29
you get out.
1:25:30
Speaker 2: But what's greenlit this movie? We need to find out? Yeah,
1:25:35
some crazy person. Maybe it's really good.
1:25:38
Speaker 1: Josh Brolin's in it. It's probably kills.
1:25:39
Speaker 3: Actually, it's probably pretty popular. Well, like New York Times
1:25:43
bestselling novel. Oh wow, sounds like a pretty good story.
1:25:46
They made a movie out of it.
1:25:47
Speaker 1: There was a whale they spotted fairly recently that had
1:25:52
a harpoon in it from the eighteen hundreds.
1:25:54
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
1:25:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a live Yeah, it was alive. Yeah, and
1:25:59
it this harpoon embedded in it. Soon you can find
1:26:02
that story. That's a wild might be some Instagram horseshit.
1:26:06
Oh yeah, fairly recently. I remember they found this whale
1:26:12
and they recognized that the harpoon was from the eighteen hundreds. Yeah.
1:26:16
Two thousand and seven, Native Alaskan whalers near Barrow, Alaska,
1:26:21
made a remarkable discovery of fifty foot bowhead whale found
1:26:23
with a metal fragment of a late nineteenth century bomb
1:26:26
lance an explosive harpoon embedded in its neck. The artifact
1:26:32
traced to New Bedford, Massachusetts. The explosive harpoon was patented
1:26:37
in eighteen seventy nine and manufactured in the late eighteen eighties,
1:26:42
so the whales aged by survival. Surviving the initial attack,
1:26:46
whale lived for over a century with the metal tip
1:26:49
lodged safely in its neck. Thick Blubber. The Extraordinary survival
1:26:53
story help biologists proved that bowhead whales can live for
1:26:57
one hundred to over two hundred years.
1:27:00
Speaker 3: Get shot near Massachusetts or did they travel to Alaska
1:27:04
with that?
1:27:06
Speaker 1: That's a good question. Well, they were probably whaling in
1:27:10
Massachusetts a lot, so they probably like made good tech
1:27:15
like East Coast manufacturing, and then they probably shipped it
1:27:19
off to Alaska. There's not as many people up there,
1:27:22
so they probably didn't have as much manufacturing. So I
1:27:26
imagine they in.
1:27:27
Speaker 2: The eighteen seventies and they shipped.
1:27:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would ship things by train. They would ship
1:27:31
things by training boats into the eight Yeah, I mean
1:27:33
they always had that. They always had trade. You know,
1:27:36
you could always ship things. Not easy, but if you
1:27:39
wanted to get guns, like say if there was you know,
1:27:43
if the army was in California in the eighteen hundreds,
1:27:46
they had to get guns and they would get the
1:27:48
guns shipped to them. They do to carry the guns
1:27:50
with them as they made their way across the country,
1:27:52
or they can get them shipped to them.
1:27:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to I shot a movie in Iceland.
1:27:57
Oh god, twenty it feels like twenty years. I think
1:27:59
it was twenty years ago. What was it the movie? Yeah,
1:28:02
it was called Flags of Our Fathers and it was
1:28:05
also World War two, and you know, the whaling sort
1:28:11
of trade was it's it's not it wasn't looked at
1:28:15
in the same way I think Americans like, look at whaling,
1:28:19
My god, how dare you they look at its normal? Yeah,
1:28:22
it's it was really interesting to stay alive.
1:28:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's.
1:28:27
Speaker 2: Like where do you draw the line. It's everyone's got this, like, oh,
1:28:29
you can't kill this, but I can have my.
1:28:34
Speaker 1: Whaling is on the menu. Yeah, because you need to
1:28:37
stay alive, like, especially way back in the day. Yeah,
1:28:40
there was not a lot of resources in Iceland. You know,
1:28:44
they have a fermented shark dish in Iceland that it's
1:28:48
very popular that Boordaine told me was the single most
1:28:51
fucking disgusting thing he's ever eaten. Really, and it's a delicacy.
1:28:54
Like they all love it, this fermented shark thing.
1:28:58
Speaker 3: That that whale is a interesting question kind of like
1:29:04
what I asked. It was even older. There's like another
1:29:07
problem is that that device would have been used up
1:29:09
by eighteen ninety, it says because they were very popular.
1:29:12
Oh no, how specifically it would have gotten in that whale.
1:29:16
Speaker 1: Interesting, says, what you don't know is if some Yankee
1:29:20
whaler had a harpoon made in eighteen thirty, traded it
1:29:23
to an Inuit, and then the Inuit or his offspring
1:29:25
used it forty years later. But because the bomb lance
1:29:28
was patented and stocks were used up quickly, box Dose
1:29:34
and his colleagues identified a narrow window which they believe
1:29:37
the whale was shot somewhere between eighteen eighty five and
1:29:40
eighteen ninety five. Biologists in Alaska will now try to
1:29:43
verify the estimate by examining the lens of the whale's eyes.
1:29:47
Whoa whales generally become cloudy. Their eyes become cloudy as
1:29:51
they age. Found only in Arctic waters. The Bowhead was
1:29:55
in danger of being hunted to extinction at the turn
1:29:57
of the century, but bounced back after demand for whale
1:30:00
born whalebone corsets plummeted. Holy shit, dude, that was it.
1:30:07
Whalebone corsets were killing all the Imagine the whales. They're like,
1:30:11
why are they killing us? Are they eating us? Like? No,
1:30:14
these chicks they just want to suck their waist in tight. Guys,
1:30:17
think that's hard. What no, No, they can't be serious, right,
1:30:20
that's what they made them out of. Oh wow, so
1:30:23
it had like spines from the whale bones. What so
1:30:29
that's what it looked like, like a core they turned
1:30:31
into like almost like a like strap whalebone. That's whalebone.
1:30:37
Speaker 3: Strange.
1:30:39
Speaker 1: What imagine having to figure that out. Why wouldn't they
1:30:42
just use wood.
1:30:43
Speaker 3: Steel boning for synthetic whalebone.
1:30:45
Speaker 2: They probably ate the whales and then they were like, oh, look,
1:30:48
let's excess bone we can use.
1:30:50
Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess they probably just had the bone and
1:30:52
realized it was kind of flexible.
1:30:53
Speaker 3: Whale bones weren't even made from bone at all.
1:30:55
Speaker 2: I went to U, I went to my buddy's cattle
1:30:58
processing plant in California, and they use everything, I mean everything.
1:31:07
They use the part of the heart I believe. Oh
1:31:14
it's an organ I can't remember. They use it in
1:31:17
medical operations. They pull it out and then they send
1:31:20
it on ice. They use it for some patching of
1:31:24
the heart thing, I mean down to everything, hoofs everything.
1:31:28
Speaker 1: Wow.
1:31:29
Speaker 2: And it's actually like fascinating scene. You're like, oh, this
1:31:33
is super efficient. This uses for a lot of different
1:31:36
applications for hide, for all kinds.
1:31:39
Speaker 1: Of stuff, which makes sense because it's all valuable. Why
1:31:41
would you not use it all? And it makes people
1:31:43
feel better if you know that the whale is being
1:31:45
completely harvested, like every completely everything is used. Yep, that's awesome. Yeah,
1:31:51
I mean if you have a connection, that's really the
1:31:53
best way to get food, if you have a connection
1:31:56
with a really good branch and they're real ethical and
1:31:58
it's all grass fed meat. Animals are raised on a
1:32:01
pasture like they're supposed to.
1:32:03
Speaker 2: Even the way they slaughtered him at this place was
1:32:05
super It was really gentle, and that was the whole thing.
1:32:08
It's like we're taking a soul, but this is part
1:32:12
of life, right, Life eats life. And the way they
1:32:15
did it was really painless and I was just boom boom,
1:32:18
and then it was was.
1:32:20
Speaker 1: No Country for Old Men style.
1:32:21
Speaker 2: But oh the air bullet to the apparently that just
1:32:26
shuts the lights off, shuts the lights off quick, and
1:32:29
then they bleed him out.
1:32:30
Speaker 1: How badass was that motherfucker in that movie? Javier Javier
1:32:34
was so good that it might be one of the
1:32:37
single best performances I've ever seen in a movie. Because
1:32:41
you believed him, You believed him when he's making that
1:32:45
dude flip that quarter.
1:32:47
Speaker 2: You know he's I mean, he gives you the chills.
1:32:50
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that hair that weird haircut. Weird haircut. But
1:32:55
it's just the commitment to being a psycho like that.
1:32:59
Dude's got some darkness in his eyes that much. Yeah,
1:33:03
look at that weird haircut. Crazy haircut. God, Well, Javier
1:33:09
is a bad motherfucker dude. His there's something about his
1:33:12
bad guys that are like this Cape Fear role that
1:33:15
he's in.
1:33:15
Speaker 2: Now, I haven't seen it.
1:33:17
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it either, but the fucking trailer may
1:33:19
be uncomfortable just seeing him in the trailer. Yeah, he's
1:33:21
a good creep. He plays a real good psycho. You know,
1:33:26
there's some dudes where you're like, I believe it, and
1:33:29
some guys you're like, come on, man, you're a nice guy.
1:33:35
Speaker 2: Also the original Cape Fear, I mean Robertson Narrow and
1:33:37
the original Cape Fear.
1:33:38
Speaker 1: Man, you've played bad guys. Do you have a problem
1:33:41
playing bad guys? Is it hard for you to get
1:33:43
into it? Like? What is more challenging for you, like
1:33:46
to play a bad guy or to play like the
1:33:49
World War two thing you got to play someone from
1:33:51
a different era, which I would imagine has its own challenges.
1:33:54
But is it hard for you because se you're so nice,
1:33:56
do you do you have a hard time when you
1:33:58
play bad guys?
1:33:59
Speaker 2: Well, I got to do it for Guy Ritchie, which
1:34:01
was like, you know, the ultimate right he rules, yeah,
1:34:04
in Wrath of Man, and it was actually kind of liberating,
1:34:08
kind of fun. You could sort of do things you're
1:34:13
not supposed to. You know, you could like act out
1:34:15
on your impulses a little bit. Uh, you know, you
1:34:18
think of something fucked up in your head and you're like,
1:34:20
why why did I think that I'm not going to
1:34:22
punch that person in the face?
1:34:24
Speaker 1: Why did I think that?
1:34:25
Speaker 2: You kind of like, you know, to like a lesser extent,
1:34:28
you obviously aren't doing everything, but you you could kind
1:34:32
of like revel in your own like messed up thinking.
1:34:37
Speaker 1: But I don't.
1:34:38
Speaker 2: I don't love doing it, to be honest.
1:34:40
Speaker 1: I think.
1:34:42
Speaker 2: I think I want to do it very selectively, Like
1:34:45
I mean, for Guy ritchie'll do anything right. He's I
1:34:47
think he's one of the best, best best.
1:34:49
Speaker 1: Ever look at you.
1:34:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you know I was I had to
1:34:53
kill a kid there, and I was I had to
1:34:54
just do the dirty work and get it done.
1:34:56
Speaker 1: Even look evil there like something something's different. Yeah, your face,
1:35:00
doesn't it look like you you look evil? It looks
1:35:04
like genuinely evil.
1:35:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was loose. I was tying up bluesse ends.
1:35:08
Speaker 1: There is it when you're doing that, when you're playing
1:35:11
an evil gud? Are you thinking evil a little?
1:35:14
Speaker 2: I'm look. I mean, at the end of the day,
1:35:16
it's a job. I treat it as a job. I'm
1:35:19
not one of these crazy psychos that like let things
1:35:23
become distorted in your mind when.
1:35:25
Speaker 1: You pretend you're Abraham Lincoln for six months.
1:35:28
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean I believe him day like
1:35:31
I believe it. So I don't know, maybe you know,
1:35:33
maybe I you know, if you want to be the best,
1:35:35
I think it comes with the price, and that price.
1:35:38
Speaker 1: Sanity, Yeah, a little bit of sanity. Uh, you got
1:35:42
to give it up.
1:35:43
Speaker 2: My dad was never like that. He was like, it's
1:35:46
a job, Like, go to work, do the best you can,
1:35:49
put in the reps, make sure you're you know your ship,
1:35:51
and you come prepare and you have some something interesting.
1:35:54
But I can leave it at the door man. Yeah,
1:35:56
you know, you see people like their minds get twisted
1:35:58
and and we deal and with artists, right, artists are
1:36:03
it can be special.
1:36:04
Speaker 1: Sometimes, yeah, and they take themselves very seriously. Yeah, but
1:36:08
there's also a certain amount of you have to be
1:36:12
thinking about how that character would think, right if you're
1:36:15
really gonna pull it off, and you really did pull
1:36:17
it off, so you had to be having some thoughts.
1:36:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have some like I would love
1:36:22
to talk to you. I was like, it was a
1:36:23
it was a greedy role, and I was like, I
1:36:26
kind of let the greed take over, which is a
1:36:30
little which is a little scary.
1:36:31
Speaker 1: So do you have to think like a greedy guy
1:36:33
before the like like when you're getting ready for a scene,
1:36:36
like how do you get your head in that space?
1:36:39
Speaker 3: Yeah?
1:36:39
Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of manifesting sort of those
1:36:43
thoughts and emotions like what fucking do I'm gonna take
1:36:46
whatever the fuck I want right now?
1:36:47
Speaker 1: You know?
1:36:48
Speaker 2: So you sort of you know you you play that,
1:36:53
but then you gotta let it go like the end
1:36:55
of the day. Man, you gotta let it go, right,
1:36:57
you gotta be like cool, that was that was that thing,
1:37:00
And then.
1:37:00
Speaker 1: It's gotta be slippery, right.
1:37:02
Speaker 2: I think it can be if you don't have if
1:37:06
you value this career too preciously and you don't realize, hey,
1:37:12
we're telling stories. It's fun. I'm so grateful I've gotten
1:37:16
to do it, but it doesn't define me. It might
1:37:20
have made me, but it's not gonna break me. I
1:37:24
have other interests and other things, and I know there's
1:37:27
other important shit out there that I could do in
1:37:29
this life. I think you have to have that level
1:37:34
of thinking because if you think this is everything, and
1:37:37
I mean it's too extreme. It's like extreme we're talking
1:37:40
about before it can get to it's not healthy.
1:37:44
Speaker 1: M hm. Well, a lot of people have problems after
1:37:47
roles are done. Like apparently Jim Carrey really struggled after
1:37:50
he played Andy Kaufman because yeah, yeah, I'd like to
1:37:54
talk to him about that, because it seems like he
1:37:56
got from all accounts the people that were with him
1:38:00
on the film, like he got so into that character,
1:38:03
but he was like being Andy Kaufman all the time.
1:38:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, we heard a lot of counts like it was.
1:38:07
It was like they were like, dude, you gotta chill,
1:38:09
you gotta you gotta chill. I mean, I've worked with
1:38:14
some that are that have taken it to the level.
1:38:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, they said Jared Leto did that when he was
1:38:18
playing the Joker. The people like, hey man, stop stop
1:38:21
sending me dead birds rats, you get dead rats?
1:38:26
Speaker 2: Uh chi la boof?
1:38:27
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, laboof le bov. I don't know.
1:38:30
Speaker 2: I always get corrected.
1:38:31
Speaker 1: Sorry, but yeah, there's a lot of those guys. They
1:38:34
go into that rabbit hole and they can't crawl out.
1:38:38
Speaker 2: It's just I think, just having Also, its like frontal
1:38:41
cortex being defined, right, Like, you get famous too early?
1:38:45
When you did you know, I was worked as a valet,
1:38:48
I worked as a bar bag. I freaking did all
1:38:50
these shitty jobs that you know, you kind of like, oh, no,
1:38:54
I understand like how the real world operates. You get
1:38:57
famous too early, you get stunted in your growth. And
1:39:00
I truly believe that.
1:39:01
Speaker 1: I think so too, And I think it's a real crime.
1:39:03
When they do it to little kids, it's a one hundred.
1:39:06
They never make it out normal. No, I never met one.
1:39:10
Speaker 2: He met Leo Leo. Leo made it out.
1:39:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:39:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a child actor, that's right. He had
1:39:16
good people around him, he had you know, he's disciplined
1:39:20
and he yeah, he's got a good sense of the world.
1:39:25
Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, but he always has like twenty year
1:39:27
old girlfriends, easy year old I don't understand, Like what
1:39:36
do they even talk about. But at the end of
1:39:38
the day, very few. Well he did, really, he really
1:39:42
was famous. You were pretty young though, Yeah, really he
1:39:45
might be the only one. But I mean, I guess
1:39:46
Jodi Foster, she seems pretty put together. She doesn't seem
1:39:49
like she's lost her fucking marbles. But then you see
1:39:52
the Britney Spears of the world and these other people
1:39:55
and you go, oh, man, I don't think that was
1:39:57
really good for them, you know. Yeah, there's also Corey Feldman.
1:40:01
You see these people that were like huge movie stars
1:40:03
when they're young, and as they're getting older, it's like,
1:40:05
I don't think they're doing good. Yeah, think their heads
1:40:08
all fucked up.
1:40:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you place too much value on that too,
1:40:12
and then it goes away, where's your identity?
1:40:16
Speaker 1: I had Macaulay Culkin in here, and he was very interesting,
1:40:19
very nice guy, like very smart guy, interesting guy. But
1:40:22
he struggles, you know, it's like he realizes he was
1:40:27
sort of robbed of a normal childhood. Yeah, became famous
1:40:30
as a little kid man home alone, he was little.
1:40:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad, I mean, kudos to my dad because
1:40:36
he he did a really good job of protecting us
1:40:39
from that and very private. We didn't live in La,
1:40:43
didn't live you know, we we lived in Carmel. It
1:40:47
was a very you know, as normal as it could be.
1:40:51
But in the sense that he was like, no, that's
1:40:55
you know, you just you need to be a normous human,
1:40:57
mild and learn how the world works.
1:41:00
Speaker 1: Carmel's beautiful, man, it is a nice place to grow up.
1:41:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, they say, newly wet and nearly dead.
1:41:08
Speaker 1: Right, that's what it is. People get married there and
1:41:11
then they fucking go there to die. Yeah, it's so true.
1:41:15
Speaker 2: It's a little slow for me, but it's beautiful.
1:41:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I do appreciate it. But they have
1:41:19
annoying homeowners associations.
1:41:21
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, come on that you were at a dag
1:41:25
and you you didn't know what you were supposed to do.
1:41:28
Speaker 1: This is off white, this is not white. Your fence
1:41:32
is the wrong color.
1:41:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can get a life.
1:41:36
Speaker 1: Well. Old people love to control their their neighborhood. They
1:41:40
get horrible on those homeowners associations. Old people who are
1:41:44
really into controlling the neighborhood.
1:41:46
Speaker 2: Like, ooh, I'm like so bored at that story. I'm like, God,
1:41:50
can you just be different?
1:41:52
Speaker 1: Can you surprise me with something else?
1:41:55
Speaker 2: You know?
1:41:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, and old people like to live around other old
1:41:58
people too, makes them feel comfortable. They don't want to
1:42:00
be around parties. Yeah, so that's why Carmel like calls
1:42:03
out to them. And if you keep the real estate
1:42:05
price high, great, now you've got old people living around
1:42:08
old rich people.
1:42:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:42:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, the most fun. They're the most fun.
1:42:14
Speaker 2: They're the most fun.
1:42:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the most entitled, the most they think they
1:42:20
could tell you the most what to do because they
1:42:22
used to telling everybody what to do. But still Carmel
1:42:26
fucking beautiful, beautiful part of the country. Yeah, that coast,
1:42:30
oh my god. And also sharks out there, a lot
1:42:33
of great whites, they're all over the place up there. Yeah. Yeah,
1:42:38
but it's a California, man, is one of the most
1:42:41
beautiful places on earth. It has so much variation. There's
1:42:44
something you got deserts, you got the beach, you got
1:42:47
the mountains, we got everything all in this one beautiful state. Yeah.
1:42:51
Speaker 2: Everyone was I mean, even in the development of our country,
1:42:55
I was like everyone was going out west because it
1:42:57
was so prestigious, like oh the gold Rush and getting
1:43:01
out west.
1:43:02
Speaker 1: And then California really La. It was the movie industry
1:43:06
and that's really what we made.
1:43:07
Speaker 2: It's kind of sad now because it's they've completely driven
1:43:11
it out.
1:43:12
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, barely have TV shows, barely barely.
1:43:18
Speaker 2: It's brutal, it's brutal.
1:43:19
Speaker 1: Do you still live there?
1:43:21
Speaker 2: No?
1:43:21
Speaker 1: You live out here now?
1:43:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of.
1:43:24
Speaker 2: I tell people I live on the road because that's
1:43:26
essentially where I am. You know, I was, I was Atlanta,
1:43:31
I was here, I was there, I was in Italy
1:43:33
making a movie.
1:43:34
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing about film, right, like they're never
1:43:36
It's how many films get filmed in Los Angeles these days.
1:43:39
It's not done even beneficial to live there. I have never.
1:43:42
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever worked on Maybe I've worked
1:43:44
on one film, but it was about for a week
1:43:46
and it was we shot the rest of it somewhere else.
1:43:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, they make it so hard for people now. It's
1:43:52
so stupid.
1:43:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's rough, it's rough. It's it's a sad because, uh,
1:43:58
film is you know, inherently, like Hollywood is inherently something
1:44:03
that we've produced out of California, out of America, and
1:44:08
it's like to see that just get completely blown up industry.
1:44:14
Speaker 1: Oh do you have friends still live back there?
1:44:16
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, tons of California friends. And
1:44:20
you know, I look, I was never I don't have
1:44:23
a lot of industry friends.
1:44:28
Speaker 1: I had.
1:44:28
Speaker 2: I do have some, But actors like sometimes aren't my people.
1:44:34
Speaker 1: They're just not.
1:44:36
Speaker 2: I just I don't know, like that, I don't want
1:44:39
to intellectualize about it. I don't want to talk about acting, you.
1:44:41
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
1:44:41
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's like cool, it's just something I do,
1:44:44
but it doesn't define me. You know.
1:44:46
Speaker 1: Some of them are just they're so self important. Yeah,
1:44:49
and it's you know, you're it's not even almost not
1:44:52
their fault almost because they're getting their asses kissed all
1:44:55
the time. They're on sets and people are trying to
1:44:57
get them bagels and coffee, and everyone's always ca to them,
1:45:00
so they start feeling like they deserve that from the world. Yeah,
1:45:04
it just gets real weird.
1:45:06
Speaker 2: It gets weird. There's a lot of deep insecurity in
1:45:09
that industry, right, it's masked by masked by like false security. Right,
1:45:16
Like it's like I'm the man I'm tougher, I'm this thing.
1:45:21
You build this ego up and you're like, yeah, dude,
1:45:24
like we're just doing a job here, can you get
1:45:26
to set and shut the fuck up.
1:45:28
Speaker 1: It's just the attention that you get. You know, you
1:45:30
get so much attention from the world that you start
1:45:32
thinking you're important, and you know, it's natural, natural for
1:45:36
human beings, but especially even more natural for people that
1:45:39
pretend to be someone else for a living.
1:45:41
Speaker 2: No, and like some of the accountability man in the
1:45:44
industry is unbelievable. You know, I just worked with somebody
1:45:48
that I think was just without saying any names, but
1:45:53
you know, just maybe you know, people just get too
1:45:57
famous or too long they think the world owes them something,
1:45:59
and then and it comes to like doing the right thing.
1:46:03
You're like, dude, you could just it's black and white,
1:46:06
do the right thing. Don't be a piece of shit.
1:46:09
You you can't do that. That's unacceptable behavior. And they're like,
1:46:14
fuck that I can do and you're just.
1:46:16
Speaker 1: Like, what, dude, what are you talking about? Exactly? You could?
1:46:19
You could say a name and then we'll edit it out.
1:46:21
I want to do that.
1:46:22
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I just you know, we started working on
1:46:24
a film with with a director and they decided, you know,
1:46:29
after we had spent a bunch of money, that they
1:46:31
just didn't feel like they wanted to work with this
1:46:34
other person. And uh, I didn't want to do the
1:46:37
do the job, do the thing. And so I was like, okay,
1:46:40
well you need to pay that money back now to
1:46:42
that person who invested in you.
1:46:45
Speaker 1: And they're like, I.
1:46:45
Speaker 2: Don't dan to do that. It's like, well, uh yeah
1:46:48
you do, Yeah, you do, that's the right thing to do.
1:46:51
Speaker 1: So they decided they didn't want to work with another person.
1:46:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't want to work with like another person
1:46:55
after we like started pre production on the film.
1:46:58
Speaker 1: So they're trying to get the person kicked off this
1:47:00
the movie or they.
1:47:01
Speaker 2: Just left and they just there. It was their their directory,
1:47:05
of their story, their thing. It was just like, bro,
1:47:08
that you took money from somebody.
1:47:10
Speaker 1: That's also a good way to get sued. That seems
1:47:13
like person can get sued pretty easy for that.
1:47:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's just it's like it's just the bigger.
1:47:19
The bigger thing is just I've seen some behavior in
1:47:22
this business that is shocking that would not go in
1:47:27
other industries. But for some reason, because.
1:47:29
Speaker 1: Because they're stars, right, Yeah, you're like what It's also
1:47:33
the thing, there's a thing that some people want to
1:47:35
be a star so they can behave like that. They
1:47:38
want to be a star soar that can order people
1:47:39
around or just do whatever the fuck they want to
1:47:41
do and just be unpredictable and wild. Like they actually
1:47:44
enjoy that aspect of being famous. Yeah.
1:47:47
Speaker 2: I to be honest, I never I really didn't like
1:47:51
people people think they want to be famous. You don't
1:47:54
want to be famous. You don't want to be famous rich.
1:47:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, rich is better.
1:47:59
Speaker 2: Rich is better, But to be fit like that goal
1:48:03
is so twisted. It's not like I love telling stories
1:48:08
and when we're doing a creative endeavor and you move people,
1:48:11
whether you'll make them laugh, make him cry, whatever, the
1:48:15
whole other side of that is like just really ugly.
1:48:18
And it's I think I was lucky in some ways
1:48:21
because I got to see it growing up and got
1:48:23
to see like how it's bullshit.
1:48:26
Speaker 1: Right when your dad's one of the most famous movie
1:48:28
stars of all time. Yeah, and he's just your dad.
1:48:31
Yeah you go, oh, this is bullshit. It's bullshit, yeah, completely,
1:48:34
And also your dad is not like a guy who
1:48:36
gives into that stuff. Either yeah, he's not a guy
1:48:39
who worships that kind of fame, or it's not interested
1:48:43
in that at all, not at all.
1:48:45
Speaker 2: He's just put your boots on, go to work.
1:48:47
Speaker 1: Man.
1:48:48
Speaker 2: It happens to be in a creative endeavor which is
1:48:51
really cool and gets to use that you know, use
1:48:53
that muscle.
1:48:54
Speaker 1: But did you hesitate at all about getting into acting
1:48:58
because your dad was so famous?
1:49:00
Speaker 2: Sure? I think I was always like I think I
1:49:03
was always like, hey, I love telling stories, I love
1:49:06
watching movies. I love this. I don't know if exactly
1:49:10
I wanted to ever be like just an actor. It
1:49:14
wasn't like, oh, that's my but you love I love
1:49:17
the storytelling of And that was like a conduit in
1:49:20
I'm doing other things in film now, producing, and I
1:49:23
do want to direct. It'd be nice to show up
1:49:27
with my own clothes to work. But also, films a
1:49:34
directors medium. It's not really an actor's medium. You need actors,
1:49:37
it's part of the deal. But the making of a
1:49:40
film goes way beyond the filming of a film. You know,
1:49:43
there's a film made in script and development, there's a
1:49:46
film made while you're shooting it, and there's a film
1:49:48
made in editing.
1:49:50
Speaker 1: Have you ever directed anything before?
1:49:52
Speaker 2: I've you know, I've done in a creative capacity where
1:49:58
I've been a producer. I've I had hand in directing,
1:50:04
but not like, Hey, that's my film, that's my name
1:50:06
on the on the thing, and I'm super proud of it.
1:50:08
I just don't find the right material to go on
1:50:11
to go out and kind of schlep around.
1:50:13
Speaker 1: Do you write?
1:50:14
Speaker 3: No?
1:50:15
Speaker 2: No, and I I it's the backbone of the industry.
1:50:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you could write your own thing, Yeah.
1:50:23
Speaker 2: I don't know how I like when like the discipline
1:50:26
to do it, Like for what you do is it's
1:50:30
it's tough, you know, like you have the.
1:50:33
Speaker 1: Thought to paper, it's that doesn't interest you.
1:50:38
Speaker 2: It does in a sense. I just don't like sitting.
1:50:44
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
1:50:45
Speaker 2: I I am really good at collaborating and talking about
1:50:48
material and saying what about this? What if he said this?
1:50:51
What if he did is? What about this? Can we
1:50:52
go this way?
1:50:53
Speaker 1: So I think maybe partner, Yeah, yeah, maybe you have
1:50:57
a writing partner, someone who you jive with that's create
1:51:00
and you guys could get together and you could come
1:51:02
up with your own idea. That way, you have like
1:51:04
material that it's exciting for you, and you could direct
1:51:07
that because I would imagine if you're even working with
1:51:10
guys like Guy Ritchie and all these directors that you
1:51:13
work with, you've got a chance to see the discipline
1:51:17
in the highest level. Like you get to see those
1:51:19
guys do it, you know, you get to see how
1:51:21
they piece it together. It must be fascinating.
1:51:23
Speaker 2: It is, and everyone has a different a different way
1:51:27
of going about it. Like Guy Ritchie. Here's the thing
1:51:29
about Guy Richie. You learn the script, then you show
1:51:32
up and he's just like throws it out the window
1:51:35
and goes you say this, you do that, you do this,
1:51:38
and then you're like okay. And so if you're not,
1:51:41
it doesn't work for everybody. Some people can't handle that heat.
1:51:44
I love it. I'm like, this is awesome. Let's do
1:51:47
what is it?
1:51:47
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go so meaning he wants you to improvise,
1:51:51
he wants you to talk like a real person.
1:51:53
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily that it's it's improvising. It's more he's
1:51:57
seeing the movie. He's wearing multiple hats, so he's seen
1:52:00
the movie what he's already shot. And then he's like,
1:52:02
I actually don't want that scene, I want him to
1:52:05
say this and this. He kind of like is molding
1:52:07
the movie in real time, in real time. And then
1:52:10
what he'll do is he'll go back to his trailer.
1:52:13
They have like this blacked out trailer, and they'll watch
1:52:16
the movie and he'll they'll they'll radio in and say, hey,
1:52:21
say it like this, or do it like this, or
1:52:23
do you know, do it one more time? So he's
1:52:25
kind of like watching the movie as us as an
1:52:27
audience member. It's really interesting.
1:52:31
Speaker 1: Is he the only one you know that does it
1:52:32
that way? Yes?
1:52:35
Speaker 2: And then you have guys like my dad who would
1:52:37
never do that. They would, they wouldn't even they're just
1:52:40
they're like right there, just going, okay.
1:52:43
Speaker 1: Have you heard Matt Damon's story.
1:52:45
Speaker 2: I'm which one.
1:52:46
Speaker 1: Matt Damon was working with your dad and he did
1:52:49
a take and uh and he liked it, but he
1:52:52
wanted to do it again, because we do it again.
1:52:54
Clint's like, no, we got it. Yeah, He's like, but
1:52:56
I've been fucking working forever on this thing. I want
1:53:00
I want one more go at it. He's like, we
1:53:01
got it, And.
1:53:02
Speaker 2: He probably said something like well, if you want to
1:53:04
waste everyone's time, sure, and.
1:53:09
Speaker 1: Then that's like no, no, no, no, no, we're good.
1:53:11
We're good.
1:53:12
Speaker 2: We're good, We're good.
1:53:13
Speaker 1: Oh so funny, so funny. Yeah. Whatever Guy Richie's process is,
1:53:21
it works. His fucking chows. His movies are some of
1:53:25
my all time favorites, right from the beginning, right from
1:53:28
Locktok and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatched. Holy shit, his
1:53:32
movies are so good and he really did such a
1:53:35
fantastic job of almost like uh, he's like the benchmark
1:53:43
for that genre of like British crime genre. Yes, that's him,
1:53:48
that's the you think of British crime drama. Oh, Guy Richie,
1:53:50
Guy Richie movie. Like, there's this dude. His name is
1:53:53
Lee Murray. Lee Murray. He was a UFC fighter. He
1:53:57
was famous in London in England for being like a
1:54:00
street fighter and this a crazy guy who's fighting in
1:54:03
MMA at a really high level like one in the UFC,
1:54:06
And then was a part of the biggest armed robbery
1:54:11
in the history of the UK. Oh yeah, this guy
1:54:14
was a full on psychoangster. Oh, full gangster. He was
1:54:18
such a gangster that he got stabbed in the heart
1:54:20
in a street fight and they made a video of
1:54:23
him hitting Mit six weeks later, six weeks later, he's
1:54:26
back in the gym. It's he was crazy person. I
1:54:30
got to see him fight in real life. He actually
1:54:32
knocked out a friend of mine. He got arrested for
1:54:35
this crime. Oh yeah, Oh he's still in jail. He's
1:54:38
still in jail. It'll be in jail for probably the
1:54:40
rest of his life. They stole an enormous amount of money,
1:54:42
and they did it like in a very high tech
1:54:45
like like like the movie Heat like that, crazy like
1:54:49
they had full masks on, armored fucking body armor, the
1:54:54
whole deal. And how much did they steal?
1:54:58
Speaker 3: Fifty three million pounds nine million dollars.
1:55:02
Speaker 1: The biggest. I think it's the biggest armed robbery in
1:55:05
Britain's history.
1:55:06
Speaker 3: And they hurt people doing it.
1:55:08
Speaker 1: They didn't hug them, they didn't help them. I don't
1:55:11
know if he killed no, I mean, I'm just wondering,
1:55:12
like if the largest peacetime cash robbery in world history. Wow,
1:55:17
So it's worth ninety two million dollars fifty three million
1:55:21
pounds back then, So that was in two thousand and six,
1:55:24
So this is after he had been in the UFC.
1:55:27
So I you know, I called his fight in the
1:55:29
UFC I was doing commentary back then. They left over
1:55:33
one hundred and fifty million behind one hundred and fifty
1:55:35
million pounds because they ran out of room in their
1:55:37
transport vehicles. Holy shit, how do they get caught? Only
1:55:41
about twenty one million pounds of the stolen cash has
1:55:44
ever been recovered, So somebody made away with more than
1:55:47
thirty million pounds. So he flew to Morocco. Murray and
1:55:51
several associates fled to Morocco because he held a dual
1:55:55
British Moroccan citizenship and Morocco did not have an extradition
1:55:58
treaty with the UK, he evaded British authorities. Moroccan police
1:56:03
arrested Murray in June of two thousand and six in
1:56:05
a shopping mall and robot following an international manhunt. Instead
1:56:10
of being extradited, he was tried in and Morocco. After
1:56:14
initially being sentenced to ten years, Moroccan appeals court extended
1:56:18
his sentence to twenty five years in prison for his
1:56:21
role in forming a criminal gang, kidnapping and arm robbery.
1:56:25
So like, when this guy got arrested and when everyone's
1:56:28
your story, everybody was saying that Guy's gotta be a
1:56:31
Guy Ritchie movie. Yeah, Like that's that's how much Guy
1:56:35
Ritchie has like locked down that genre. And I think
1:56:38
there was some talk is there talk about Guy Ritchie
1:56:42
doing a movie on the Lee Murray heist?
1:56:45
Speaker 3: Something came out and shit Chasing Lightning?
1:56:51
Speaker 1: He came out you no, no, he didn't wake that.
1:56:53
Speaker 3: But something came out. It's like a mini series about it.
1:56:56
Speaker 1: Oh about the heightst But has Guy Richie been connected
1:56:59
to a movie about it? Because I know a bunch
1:57:01
of people were talking about it, saying like it has
1:57:03
to be a Guy Richie movie, like if you're gonna
1:57:04
really capture who this guy was, he was a real nut,
1:57:08
like a real like world class fighter.
1:57:11
Speaker 2: Who would play him? Like, give me the because I
1:57:13
don't know what it looks like.
1:57:14
Speaker 1: Jason Statum could probably nail it.
1:57:16
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, then there it is.
1:57:17
Speaker 1: He's perfect cast already. Yeah. I mean he doesn't have
1:57:20
the hair for it, but because Lee Murray had a
1:57:22
full head of hair. But it doesn't matter.
1:57:24
Speaker 3: It's been a rumor for a long time. But he
1:57:26
instead did a true crime docu series called The Diamond
1:57:29
Heist instead. This is like a similar story, but it's
1:57:31
not the same story at all.
1:57:32
Speaker 1: Oh okay, the story itself is so bananas. It's just
1:57:36
the fact that this guy was his world class MMA
1:57:39
fighter who was also a robber, like a high level bank.
1:57:45
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't steal like ninety million.
1:57:48
Speaker 1: Dollars without Do they have footage of that robbery? Is
1:57:51
there video footage of it? I feel like they's security
1:57:53
footage of it, and they look nuts. Well, I mean
1:57:56
it looks like a movie, like you know, they it
1:57:59
might be fucking masks on everything, the whole deal. It's
1:58:03
just that when you think about that kind of a
1:58:06
guy and that kind of a story, I mean, that
1:58:08
is right up. Guy Richie's Alley, he's like that show Mobland.
1:58:12
God good, it's good. It's so good.
1:58:15
Speaker 2: It's good.
1:58:16
Speaker 1: It's so good. It's so like it's like a movie
1:58:20
that's like seven hours long or however many episodes there are.
1:58:23
Speaker 2: It's great. It really is great.
1:58:26
Speaker 1: Who is he your fa Who's do you have a
1:58:27
favorite guy that you've worked with? He's he's got to
1:58:30
be up. I mean he's yeah.
1:58:32
Speaker 2: If him, I gotta you know, I gotta work with
1:58:36
Oliver Stone. Oh that's awesome, Which is like you know,
1:58:40
like Sitting with the Devil.
1:58:44
Speaker 1: Likenic Man.
1:58:46
Speaker 2: Uh, George Tillman Junior is a great director. Know if
1:58:49
you remember that movie Men of Honor, Yes, remember with
1:58:52
Cup Gooding Junior. Sure, he's a great director.
1:58:56
Speaker 1: There's a lot there.
1:58:57
Speaker 2: There's I've I've gotten to, you know, work with some
1:58:59
really cool air is really interesting. That guy's a tough
1:59:03
I don't know if you know his story, but he
1:59:05
was He's had a really dark pass, but he was
1:59:08
Essentially he lived on a submarine for like two years,
1:59:12
like underwater. Whoa, yeah, he's I'm like, you got some scruzles.
1:59:16
If you lived on a submarine for two years, underwater
1:59:19
for two years, will fuck you up for two hundred years?
1:59:22
Speaker 3: I know.
1:59:23
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm just thinking about getting out. How claustrophobic
1:59:25
you could get, Like, I gotta get out of this,
1:59:27
get me out.
1:59:29
Speaker 1: You're squashing that part of your brain way too long. Yeah,
1:59:32
I could do that for an hour. I don't even
1:59:34
know if I want. I don't even know if I
1:59:35
want to get in a submarine.
1:59:37
Speaker 2: After I watched The Tin Can they just exploded.
1:59:40
Speaker 1: All those people. Oh yeah, I was like, oh that's
1:59:43
not wise. Due when you watch the recreations of what
1:59:46
must have happened to them. They were just liquefied instantaneously
1:59:49
by the pressure of the ocean. That'd be a good
1:59:51
way to go, maybe better than a shark.
1:59:53
Speaker 2: Quick because like that. Yeah, but then people are talking
1:59:55
about you like you're an idiot, like you got in
1:59:57
that stupid tin can. You're a billionaire idiot. Even worse,
2:00:00
I can't go down like that.
2:00:01
Speaker 1: Think about all these fucking people that would love to
2:00:03
have a just a piece of your money so they
2:00:05
could go have a margarita on your leakes somewhere, go
2:00:07
to tid Cad. It's gonna be great. I'm not to
2:00:09
the bottom of the ocean. Tell everybody. I looked through
2:00:12
a tiny window like fuck you. Well, you know, I
2:00:15
had a conversation with Cameron, and Cameron went James Cameron
2:00:20
went to the bottom of the fucking ocean by himself.
2:00:24
Speaker 2: No, No, that's not there's so much wrong with that,
2:00:27
even be the.
2:00:27
Speaker 1: Bottom of the Mariana Trench, right, Like I think he's
2:00:30
the he holds the world record for like single piloted
2:00:35
submarine vehicle the deepest depths Like.
2:00:38
Speaker 2: No, And I also I feel the same way about space.
2:00:41
You know, I'm like, I'm a big Musk fan, but
2:00:43
I don't have any desire.
2:00:45
Speaker 1: Bro to go to Mars or go to space. Bro
2:00:48
have fun, you do that.
2:00:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm all good here on this planet.
2:00:54
Speaker 1: It must be awesome to be just I would like
2:00:56
to be in Earth's orbit once, just to look down.
2:00:59
Speaker 2: I bet see the like the fourth.
2:01:03
Speaker 1: They say, you have that experience, Like all these different
2:01:06
astronauts have talked about it. It's the overview effect that
2:01:09
you when you're above Earth looking down on it. It's
2:01:12
just you're like, oh my god, we're so fragile. It's
2:01:14
all just us together. We have to stop stop all this.
2:01:17
Like you have this realization of what we really are
2:01:20
and what we're really doing, and how stupid tribal conflicts are.
2:01:24
Speaker 2: And like world I mean yeah, world war this key.
2:01:30
We just keep repeating the same cycle. It's sad, actually
2:01:33
it's it's it's sad because eventually it'll probably happen again,
2:01:38
a world war. I mean that's the like, if you
2:01:40
look at the math, it's kind of happening right now.
2:01:43
It's like, what's going on?
2:01:45
Speaker 1: Man?
2:01:45
Speaker 2: Are we going to keep doing this? I guess that's
2:01:47
what we're doing.
2:01:48
Speaker 1: It's very disturbing when you're playing a character in a
2:01:55
period piece like that. What what do you have to
2:01:57
do in terms of like make sure your behavior being
2:02:00
like they behaves and talk like they talked, Like did
2:02:03
you have to watch film of those old people?
2:02:05
Speaker 2: And you talk to a lot of people in this case,
2:02:09
this this movie you know, was about jeez, the guys
2:02:16
are you know, almost all passed away at this point.
2:02:19
But I luckily got got to meet a lot of
2:02:23
veterans because I've done twenty years of doing a few
2:02:26
war movies. So I've gotten to meet these folks and
2:02:29
talk to them and hear their stories, see like sometimes
2:02:33
the pain in their eyes when they tell these stories,
2:02:35
and you realize, you realize the gravity of what they're
2:02:41
caring and what they did for the world. There's so
2:02:43
many heroes in World War Two, you know, so many
2:02:46
people that did so many things that affect like our
2:02:49
way of life, I mean, and affect a lot of
2:02:51
the world's way alife. I mean, all of France and
2:02:53
most of euro business speaking German because of what happened.
2:02:58
And so you like that weight with you. It's it
2:03:03
can be if it's a real if it's you know,
2:03:06
you know the person you can watch tape on him,
2:03:08
then you get it. You get that like luxury. But
2:03:10
if you don't, then you know, it's just I think
2:03:13
it's about carrying that weight and just trying to be
2:03:18
as true as you can to that. It's it comes
2:03:21
with the cost doing doing these movies, because not only
2:03:24
you go and make them, but then you go and
2:03:25
promote them and you meet these people. I met one
2:03:29
of the oldest living veterans the other night at at
2:03:32
the Washington Archives in DC, one hundred and seven years old,
2:03:35
whoa Colonel Stern, and got to hold his hand, you know,
2:03:41
and really quite clear still had it like I mean,
2:03:44
like shockingly when he spoke to me, I was like,
2:03:47
oh my gosh. But you could feel that generation that
2:03:51
you could feel that what he had been through. He
2:03:55
was he was actually at the Battle of the Bulge.
2:03:57
Whoa And you're like oh, and then him tell us like,
2:04:00
we got it right, And that's what it's like, you know,
2:04:03
like brought me to tears. I was like, I was
2:04:05
like kind of like I was shook. So moments like
2:04:08
that it comes, you know, it's like, wow, this is
2:04:11
this is a great responsibility tell this story.
2:04:14
Speaker 1: I could imagine having a conversation with one hundred and
2:04:17
seventy year old guy who's been through war, and the
2:04:20
war was what how many years ago? In nineteen forty two?
2:04:23
What is that? How many years ago?
2:04:26
Speaker 2: Is that? So he would probably would have been twenty Yes,
2:04:28
so right, he would have been like eighty four, Yeah,
2:04:32
eighty four years ago, and it's still the most probably
2:04:37
impactful thing that ever happened in his life.
2:04:40
Speaker 1: Imagine that. Imagine you're one hundred and seven years old
2:04:43
and your life is kind of defined by something that
2:04:46
happened eighty four years ago.
2:04:48
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's uh, it's it's It's wild what they
2:04:53
went through in a while. I you imagine. I mean,
2:04:55
if they're like, hey, pack up, Joe, like we're we're
2:04:58
going wherever. It is like I don't know wherever we're
2:05:03
going right now, and we're gonna have to kill people.
2:05:07
Speaker 1: And imagine the information you're getting. What are you getting?
2:05:09
Like newspaper articles and a radio broadcast? Yeah, what do
2:05:14
you read?
2:05:14
Speaker 3: Show you met a.
2:05:16
Speaker 1: Battalion commander during World War Two? Stern his name was
2:05:20
Senator Radcliffe. What's his name? Herbert Irving Stern that's his name,
2:05:28
so it says the battalion commander. During World War Two,
2:05:30
Stern was awarded the Silver Star Medal during the Battle
2:05:32
of the Bulge for his actions. In April nineteen forty five,
2:05:36
while driving through Germany, Stern his men discovered a concentration
2:05:39
camp with three thousand Jewish women. They liberated the camp,
2:05:43
providing immediate relief to the prisoners, and destroyed the facility.
2:05:46
Speaker 2: Wow, isn't that amazing? Like we have to celebrate these people, you.
2:05:51
Speaker 1: Know, Like, I can you imagine your overseas. You're a kid,
2:05:56
it's nineteen forty five, and you liberate a camp of
2:05:59
three thousand Jewish women that are being in prison.
2:06:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gives me chills just thinking about it.
2:06:05
Speaker 1: Holy shit, man, Like, yeah, thirty five years old, thirty
2:06:09
four years old, you imagine we can see what that
2:06:13
guy's seeing.
2:06:14
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if we want to. I mean,
2:06:16
that would change your whole change your whole world. Like
2:06:20
look on the world, man.
2:06:21
Speaker 1: I mean, but you have to think that way right
2:06:23
when you're when you're playing these guys, you have to
2:06:25
almost put yourself in their head. How hard is that?
2:06:28
Speaker 3: Like?
2:06:29
Speaker 1: What is that? Like?
2:06:30
Speaker 2: It just it comes with Like I said, it comes
2:06:31
with a cost. You you go through an emotional journey,
2:06:37
you you pay a price. You have to lend your
2:06:43
own emotion and own grief and whatever that is in
2:06:47
your life, and you have to kind of relive some
2:06:49
of that. And it's it's part of you know, going
2:06:52
through what it would have been like to see some
2:06:54
of these atrocities, to see what it's like to lose
2:06:57
your best friend, right besides you to lose people that
2:07:00
are you know, to see a concentration camp full of
2:07:03
women that are you know, probably skin and bones, and like,
2:07:07
it's just you know, it makes you just so it
2:07:09
makes me so grateful for what we have and where
2:07:13
we're at.
2:07:14
Speaker 1: It's also the human's capacity for evil. When you're faced
2:07:19
with it like that, it's it's so disturbing that people
2:07:22
are capable of doing things like that and that they
2:07:24
still are, that they're still to this day, right right now,
2:07:27
somewhere in the world, there's human beings committing atrocities and
2:07:30
killing people. I know.
2:07:32
Speaker 2: It's it's brutal. It's brutal to think how savage we
2:07:37
can become, like it's and it's crazy because you think
2:07:40
about it It's like we're not far off. You take
2:07:44
water away for seventy two hours and we're dead. Yeah,
2:07:48
So how quickly do we turn savage fighting each other
2:07:52
if we don't have basic needs? Oh?
2:07:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, the civilizations are very thin veneer. Yeah, it's very thin,
2:08:00
and it's very vulnerable. And I think most people are
2:08:03
delusional and they're very well fed, very well fed and rested,
2:08:08
and they don't have any idea how precarious this thing
2:08:12
that we exist in is. I think when you're I
2:08:15
would imagine when you're doing a World War two film
2:08:17
or something like that, like you're forced to realize, you're
2:08:21
forced to encounter that reality of the human condition that
2:08:25
sometimes I mean throughout history, that's kind of the defining
2:08:29
moments of our past. When you think about the history
2:08:32
of the world, really you're talking about the history of war.
2:08:35
You're talking about the history of war and conquests, invasions
2:08:38
and conquests. It's like the most of what we talk
2:08:40
about when we talk about history, you know, we talk
2:08:43
about the various wars and what happened, what was the result,
2:08:46
and who was the king and who did this?
2:08:49
Speaker 2: What was it over? Resources? This war was really I
2:08:54
think why it's so fascinating why World War Two is
2:08:56
still so fascinating because there is an ambiguity between right
2:09:03
and wrong in that war. Really right. What they were
2:09:06
doing in Nazi Germany was terrifying. You know, they were
2:09:11
exterminating innocent people, and we came together as a world
2:09:16
you know, a coalition and fought that evil And that
2:09:20
is very different than a war like Vietnam, where we're
2:09:24
like why are we here or you know, you're questioning
2:09:27
what what is this just a politically motivated thing. No,
2:09:30
this was like this was to save people, and that
2:09:34
is that's very different.
2:09:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, we think of that as our last great war.
2:09:39
That is the World War Two, in most people's eyes,
2:09:43
is the last just war. Yeah, you know, we think
2:09:46
it's like that's the one that needed to be done
2:09:48
because it wasn't just evil people, was evil people on meth,
2:09:52
which is really crazy when when we I didn't know
2:09:54
that until like a decade or two ago, Yeah, that
2:09:58
they were all on meth. And then we had Norman
2:10:01
Ole he wrote how do I say his last name?
2:10:06
Or or he wrote this book Blitzed, and it's all
2:10:09
about the Blitzkrieg when they went through Luxembourg. The Netherlands
2:10:14
and Poland in like three days, and it was all myth.
2:10:18
They just gave them myth. YEA.
2:10:19
Speaker 2: That was in the beginning of the war.
2:10:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they had like thirty five million doses of
2:10:22
myth nuts, man, that is nuts. And they gave the
2:10:27
guys at the front of the lines of the most myth,
2:10:30
the guys in the tanks, like you guys get the
2:10:31
most myth. They wounded up, just messed up, ped up,
2:10:35
just driving for three days, killing everybody they see. And
2:10:38
then when they ran it to the people in France,
2:10:39
they were all drinking wine, so like they're all chilling
2:10:42
and how like they got just kept fucked up.
2:10:44
Speaker 3: Man.
2:10:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's not that long ago. That's what's
2:10:49
really scary.
2:10:50
Speaker 2: It is, it's super scary. Also, what was crazy about
2:10:53
this movie? And you know, I learned something new every
2:10:56
time I do a war movie. I didn't realize there
2:11:01
were German Americans living in America, like living, had a
2:11:06
life here, and when the war kicked off, there was
2:11:09
a lot of them that went back to Germany and
2:11:12
fought for Germany. WHOA can you imagine that, how many
2:11:17
like like thousands whoa that went back and like, you know,
2:11:23
and then they were spies and they were they a
2:11:25
lot of them spoke English, a lot of had the
2:11:28
American culture, you know, they understood and they became like spies.
2:11:32
And it was like, can you imagine doing that?
2:11:35
Speaker 1: Fuck? Fuck yeah, imagine giving up on America to go
2:11:41
back to fight for Germany?
2:11:44
Speaker 2: What like, hey, hey settled, hold on, hold the fun.
2:11:49
Speaker 1: Don't you know the spot is better? You should be
2:11:53
fighting for this, you fucking dumbass.
2:11:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
2:11:58
Speaker 1: The people that are willing to do that, that's a
2:12:01
that's a different kind of brainwashing.
2:12:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, it makes me think about
2:12:07
some of the brainwashing we have nowadays, like and you
2:12:11
kind of think like, oh, like you know, there's a
2:12:14
lot of conspiracy theory stuff and I'm not I'm not
2:12:17
a lot, but I do see. And we were talking
2:12:22
about it today. It's like how strong is the government
2:12:24
to like brainwash you know, the mk ultra stuff, like
2:12:27
the stuff where it's like you get like a patsy
2:12:30
or get someone to do something that you want them
2:12:32
to do, kill somebody whatever. Yeah, that's like really terrifying.
2:12:37
I think you are your own thoughts and emotions.
2:12:39
Speaker 1: But also if you find someone who's vulnerable, you can
2:12:44
coax them slowly but surely, into becoming a different person.
2:12:47
You give them a purpose, you give them a direction.
2:12:51
You can I mean, they've done it before. It's not
2:12:54
they didn't stop doing it in the nineteen sixties. That
2:12:56
guy who tried to shoot Trump, he was probably a
2:12:58
product of that, if I had I guess by some organization.
2:13:02
I'm not saying it's the American intelligence agencies, but someone
2:13:05
talked that young kid into getting on that roof and
2:13:08
trying to shoot Trump. Someone, you know, someone gave him direction.
2:13:15
Someone just his background is too squeaky clean. After it's over,
2:13:21
they professionally scrubbed his apartment. His apartment was professionally scrubbed.
2:13:26
There was no silverware in his apartment when they went
2:13:28
to examine it. All of his hard drives are gone,
2:13:31
all his computers were gone. He had more than one
2:13:34
cell phone, which is very odd for a twenty year
2:13:36
old kid, and had no social media profile. The whole
2:13:39
thing was fucked.
2:13:39
Speaker 2: Can you explain to me the theory is going on
2:13:43
with like the Charlie Kirk of it all, Because I
2:13:45
know there's I've heard a lot of stuff and a
2:13:47
lot of smart people that I like respect, Like, there's
2:13:50
something going on with that that we don't know the full.
2:13:54
Speaker 1: Well, there's something going on with the guy being able
2:13:57
to climb on top of that roof with a gun,
2:14:00
dismantle it, put it back together again, and then dismantle
2:14:04
it again and put it back together it again. Like
2:14:07
the whole thing makes no sense. They think they have
2:14:09
footage of him in a backpack, so, but a backpack
2:14:11
doesn't carry a gun. And so the excuse was, oh,
2:14:14
he dismantled the gun then reconnected it. Well, that doesn't fly.
2:14:19
So the problem with that is anybody who knows anything
2:14:21
about guns knows that you take a scope off a gun,
2:14:23
you take the barrel off the gun, you take the
2:14:25
stock off the gun, you take you gotta put it
2:14:27
all back together again. You might not be on anymore.
2:14:30
So you're gonna have to You're gonna have to site
2:14:32
that gun in right, And if you can site that
2:14:35
gun in, you're gonna want to have targets to practice on.
2:14:38
You're not just gonna take one hundred and forty yard
2:14:40
shot or whatever it was where he shot Charlie Kirk
2:14:43
not knowing if your sight is on, Because I was
2:14:47
hunting once and I fell with my rifle and we
2:14:52
went back to the range to test it. It was
2:14:54
off on a so when you're shooting on a block,
2:14:57
so you're not moving at all, all you're doing is
2:14:59
pulling the try so just to make sure that the
2:15:02
gun is on. It was off by six inches at
2:15:04
one hundred yards, just by moving from a fall, you know.
2:15:08
And so you have to check that, and then you
2:15:10
have to cite the gun back in. You take a
2:15:13
you just take the scope off and then you put
2:15:16
it back on and screw it back together again. There's
2:15:18
no guarantee that that thing's gonna be accurate. And this
2:15:23
kiss not like a marksman, not like he's got a
2:15:26
ton of experience shooting people and shooting at a distance.
2:15:29
The whole thing is, it's gross. The whole thing sounds gross.
2:15:33
The text messages between him and his boyfriend or whatever
2:15:36
it is, where you know he's saying how he did
2:15:39
it or he's gonna do it, they seem like AI
2:15:41
made them. It seems crazy. And then there's also the
2:15:45
fact that there was footage of him in a yogurt shop.
2:15:47
Is that verified? The footage that was in a yogurt
2:15:49
shop that was like twenty minutes later. The guy's just
2:15:52
chilling at some fucking frozen yogurt store. That seems weird.
2:15:57
Speaker 2: What about this stuff with like the the people that
2:16:01
were like right around the shooting and stuff, and like,
2:16:03
is there like some weird Wow.
2:16:04
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that think that that someone
2:16:07
some of them were signaling for the shot to happen
2:16:10
at a certain time. That's a lot of it seems
2:16:13
like speculation to me, because you know, people move around
2:16:16
all the time, people are in the crowd. If I
2:16:18
was standing there and I went like this and at
2:16:21
that moment someone got shot, okay, yeah, Or if you
2:16:26
look at your watch at a certain point that and
2:16:28
that person gets shot, like a lot of movements going on,
2:16:31
you could attribute that movement to someone's signaling. To me,
2:16:34
what's weird is the actual wound itself. So a thirty well,
2:16:43
it does. It's not a big enough hole. Thirty odd
2:16:45
six is a big rifle round, and to shoot a
2:16:49
guy in the neck with a thirty odd six you
2:16:51
would expect, first of all, you'd expect an exit wound,
2:16:55
and there's no exit wound. It just goes in and
2:16:57
it looks like a smaller hole. It doesn't like the
2:17:00
kind of hole that I would expect from a large
2:17:03
rifle round. I would expect it to just blow a
2:17:07
giant chunk of his neck right off. That's a that's
2:17:11
a round that you shoot an elk with. It's a
2:17:13
big round. And then there's a video footage of him
2:17:16
from the back and it doesn't look like there's an exit.
2:17:20
There's no exit, so it just goes in his neck
2:17:22
and stops it.
2:17:23
Speaker 3: Details about him being a dairy queen are very weird.
2:17:25
It seems like he was at a dairy queen, but
2:17:27
they don't know which one, and the one they thought
2:17:29
he was a closed down weirdly a couple of weeks afterwards.
2:17:32
Speaker 1: Okay, but he was. There is footage of him at
2:17:34
a dairy queen. Just which one it was and when
2:17:37
it was okay either way. After you shoot Charlie Kirk,
2:17:41
do you really go to a fucking Derek queen?
2:17:43
Speaker 3: Or they're saying too.
2:17:46
Speaker 1: Right before you go to Charlie and give them them blizzards,
2:17:49
you know them blizzards go out of caffeine in it.
2:17:52
I think it's also weird that we haven't heard him talk.
2:17:56
He hasn't taken the stand. There's discrepancies between whether or
2:18:00
not his family turned him in, or whether or not
2:18:03
he said he confessed to his family. You know, I
2:18:06
don't know what they're saying now.
2:18:07
Speaker 3: He isn't even There is an update as of June
2:18:09
twelfth and a hearing, and this article says there hasn't
2:18:13
been a plea entered yet.
2:18:15
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty if
2:18:18
Robinson is convicted. He has not yet entered a plete.
2:18:21
How is that happened in September? How was he not
2:18:25
yet entered a plete?
2:18:27
Speaker 3: Is that they're going over details about keep you in limbo?
2:18:31
The prosecution going on public talking about the the bullet
2:18:37
fragment found and defenses stand they shouldn't have done that.
2:18:40
There's a whole back and forth about that. Hmmm.
2:18:44
Speaker 1: I don't know.
2:18:44
Speaker 2: I don't I don't pretend to know. But it just
2:18:46
feels like there's a lot of stuff. I'm sure, like
2:18:48
you said, there's some bullshit where people are oh, look
2:18:51
and you're like, okay, come on.
2:18:52
Speaker 1: Tucker Crasso was just talking about it, and he thinks
2:18:54
that Israel killed him. He thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk,
2:18:57
and then a lot of people are saying that's ridiculous,
2:18:59
And then how many people are getting paid by Israel
2:19:02
to run cover and how many people are just saying
2:19:05
that Israel did it without real evidence. I don't know.
2:19:09
But he was critical of Israel apparently in text messages
2:19:13
and saying that he was going to get out of
2:19:14
the Israel supporting business. I don't know what that means,
2:19:18
you know, I don't because apparently there was also a
2:19:21
long letter that he wrote to net and yaho Is
2:19:23
expressing his support for Israel. And so is that real?
2:19:26
I don't know. It's so we all these days to
2:19:30
like nothing is one hundred percent real. Yeah, if it's
2:19:33
a major news story involving anything significant, at least some
2:19:38
of it's bullshit. And so we're all just sitting here wondering,
2:19:41
did this kid really shoot Charlie Kirk because of his
2:19:45
position on trans people? Is that really what we're supposed
2:19:48
to believe he was in love with a trans man
2:19:49
or a transwoman rather, and so he shot Charlie Kirk
2:19:52
because of that? Really, do you think.
2:19:54
Speaker 2: Like a younger people though, have like a bigger distrust
2:19:57
in the media.
2:19:58
Speaker 1: I feel like now I feel.
2:19:59
Speaker 2: Like that's o changing. So it's maybe for the best.
2:20:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. But I mean this isn't even the media,
2:20:04
this is the government. You know, this is the official position.
2:20:07
Like they paved over the crime scene like within days afterwards.
2:20:13
Speaker 2: That's weird.
2:20:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's a lot of weird shit. Man, the
2:20:16
Thomas Crooks thing. They cremated him within days after he
2:20:20
was killed. You know, where's the toxicology examination? Where's the results?
2:20:24
I want to know what kind of psych medication this
2:20:26
fucking kid was on, Like what was he doing? Like
2:20:29
what was happening? Why did he shoot at the president?
2:20:31
Why did he kill people in the crowd? Like what
2:20:33
the fuck is going on? And you know, we don't
2:20:37
ever get told. You know, this Tyler Robbinson thing is
2:20:40
a weird one. Man, It's weird. Just the gun itself alone.
2:20:44
I've heard varying depictions getting on that fucking roof with
2:20:48
a gun, going through the stairwell with a gun. He
2:20:51
doesn't have the gun, So did you get the gun
2:20:52
up there already? So they're saying it's in the backpack. No,
2:20:55
it's not, doesn't fit in the backpack. Well maybe the stock,
2:20:57
maybe the barrels in his legs, he taped it to
2:21:00
his pants. Fuck off, fuck off. You can't put a
2:21:03
gun back together again and make it that accurate. I
2:21:05
don't believe that. And then he took it apart and
2:21:08
then jumped off the roof with it and then put
2:21:11
it back together again in the woods. Is that what
2:21:12
they're saying. I don't know if that's exactly what. There's
2:21:15
some version of it, but any version of it with
2:21:19
this guy under a high stress, high adrenaline situations taking
2:21:22
a party gun and putting it back together a gun,
2:21:24
fuck off, fuck off? Like I don't believe.
2:21:27
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, especially someone untrained.
2:21:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, like not a And he jumped off the roof
2:21:32
afterwards and then escaped like Okay.
2:21:34
Speaker 3: The thing with which one is this is the first shooting.
2:21:38
The professionally scrubbed apartment. That's a weird detail that doesn't
2:21:42
seem to have accuracy.
2:21:45
Speaker 1: It says right here. July twenty four, twenty four House
2:21:48
Homeland Security Committee hearing, Rep. Eli Crane said he had
2:21:52
received information that Crook's house was scrubbed, cleaned, and even
2:21:55
silverware removed before investigative units arrived and entered the article,
2:22:00
making the allegation into record and from there professionally scrubbed
2:22:04
and no silverware. Talking points spread through blogs, forums, exposts,
2:22:08
and podcasts. Would officials have said when Crane as Pennsylvania
2:22:13
State Commissioner Colonel Christopher Paris whether the home had been
2:22:17
extremely clean or missing silverware? Paris applied that he had
2:22:20
not been given any such details in his briefings.
2:22:24
Speaker 2: But see, this is why I like.
2:22:25
Speaker 3: They lived with his parents.
2:22:27
Speaker 1: This is what I like.
2:22:27
Speaker 2: Though you're fact checking yourself, and I think this is
2:22:31
super important because people start, no matter what we're talking about,
2:22:34
people start regurgitating their own narrative, and it's like, no, no,
2:22:38
hold on, I could be wrong, and let's fact check him.
2:22:41
Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I'm not wrong.
2:22:42
Speaker 1: I don't So he was living with his His primary
2:22:44
residence it says was his parents single family home. Did
2:22:47
he have his own apartment? He had a separate apartment?
2:22:51
It said he didn't. But this his primary residence.
2:22:54
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's what you call it.
2:22:56
Speaker 1: But it says not in his own separate apartment. Does
2:22:59
that mean he didn't have a separate apartment?
2:23:00
Speaker 3: The question did he have his own apartment or whatever?
2:23:03
Speaker 1: What about the apartment oh, I say, I see, so
2:23:05
I gave you that response. The house and surrounding streets
2:23:08
were searched and corded off by federal agents and bomb
2:23:11
squads after the assassination attempt, and investigators reported finding bomb
2:23:16
making materials there. Oh boy, so in case it didn't
2:23:19
work out with the gun, he had a bomb? Did
2:23:22
he think he was going to make it off the roof?
2:23:24
I wonder what he thought thought to shoot the president
2:23:26
and just jump away. No one's gonna notice. Like, they
2:23:30
got snipers all over the place. They took that guy
2:23:33
out the moment he shot him. I wonder if someone
2:23:35
talked him into doing it and convinced him that they
2:23:38
had a way to get him out of there. Yeah.
2:23:40
Speaker 2: See, that's the scary thing, right, Yeah, the mind control,
2:23:42
like you said, you know.
2:23:45
Speaker 1: Especially if they're giving him drugs. That's my point about
2:23:47
the Toxic College examination. So a lot of people were
2:23:50
very concerned. They cremated him right away, because if you
2:23:53
got a hold of the tox College examination and you
2:23:56
found out that there were some drugs in there that
2:23:58
they give people to influence them, like maybe had an
2:24:01
LSD in a system, maybe he had something else in
2:24:03
some other psychiatric medications in the system that you would say, well,
2:24:07
why was he given this? You know, is this something
2:24:10
that we've done when we were working on mind control experiments?
2:24:13
Have we given people these things? Are we still doing that?
2:24:17
There was also metadata that connected a phone from DC
2:24:21
to his house from like Virginia outside the FBI area
2:24:24
where where the FBI offices are, back and forth to
2:24:27
this guy's house multiple times. Metadata from a phone. You
2:24:32
can't say whose phone? Who knows? Probably nothing or don't
2:24:36
they know. He's also in a black Rock commercial if you.
2:24:38
Speaker 2: Want to find out whose phone that is they got,
2:24:41
Like people can find a house.
2:24:42
Speaker 1: Phone imagine, right, Yeah, it's all weird, it's not. I mean,
2:24:47
but there's probably a lot of people before the election
2:24:49
that wanted Trump dead. Fill in the blank who you
2:24:52
think it might be, But most likely somebody got a
2:24:56
kid to try to do it and he didn't pull
2:24:59
it off, but he came close.
2:25:01
Speaker 2: Scary man.
2:25:02
Speaker 1: And then there's a real dummies who think it's staged,
2:25:05
which is so crazy.
2:25:06
Speaker 2: Oh that I've heard that.
2:25:08
Speaker 1: I was hearing that and they let him nick his
2:25:10
ear with a bullet. What do you know? How dumb
2:25:12
that sounds? Do you have no idea about shooting things
2:25:16
at distance. There's no way, like it's performative. So there's
2:25:21
not a chance in hell that you can nick someone's
2:25:23
ear with a bullet at that distance and be that accurate.
2:25:26
You can easily blow half the fucking head off, you know,
2:25:29
and and.
2:25:30
Speaker 2: Like what like they're going to take that risk to.
2:25:34
Speaker 1: Happens kill the people behind them because someone gets shot, right,
2:25:38
one guy dies. At least one person died, another guy
2:25:40
got shot really badly, and two other people I think
2:25:42
are suing now they're suing the government for negligence because
2:25:46
of that shooting. Yeah, because they're permanently injured because they
2:25:49
got shot. Wow. Yeah. And the whole, the fucking the
2:25:53
whole thing where the lady who was ahead of the
2:25:55
Secret Service was saying that they couldn't put anybody on
2:25:57
that roof because the slope was too steep, like what
2:26:01
And that didn't even make sense because this the slope
2:26:04
of the building where the snipers were on was steeper.
2:26:07
It made no sense. So it's almost like it was
2:26:09
set up so that that kid could get up on
2:26:11
that roof and take a shot.
2:26:14
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it seems like the powers that be
2:26:17
are pulling some strings. That's all I'm saying.
2:26:20
Speaker 1: Always.
2:26:20
Speaker 2: You know what I mean that if you're not playing
2:26:23
by their rules, you're not kissing the ring. Kind of
2:26:26
hollywoods the same way, you know what I mean. Hollywood
2:26:29
is like there's a lot of that bullshit, a lot
2:26:32
of that like kiss the ring and things. You're like, nah,
2:26:35
I ain't gonna do that, you know. Dang, you know
2:26:39
it's like nah, you let you know. It's like you said,
2:26:42
how bad you want to be Batman? How bad do
2:26:47
you want to be Batman? If it cost me my soul?
2:26:50
Maybe yeah, maybe I'm good.
2:26:52
Speaker 1: Well, good for you, dude, Good for you. You've you've achieved
2:26:56
a nice balance in your life and work relationship, and
2:26:58
I think that's very important, you know. And like I
2:27:01
always tell people like he's like the normalist guy. You're
2:27:04
like the normalist guy that it's a movie star like that.
2:27:06
I know, Like every time I like I've introduced you
2:27:09
to people, they're like, who is he? That's Scott Eastwood?
2:27:11
Like what that's clean? Eas what's on? It's like, like
2:27:15
he should he's so normal.
2:27:17
Speaker 2: There's a lot of normal people, though, there's some great ones.
2:27:19
Oh yeah, you know they exist some great ones, but
2:27:21
they're few and far between.
2:27:22
Speaker 1: Dude, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are fucking super normal. Yeah,
2:27:25
they're like regular guys when you talk to them, they're
2:27:28
they manage to keep their as hard as it is. Yeah,
2:27:31
keep whoever it is that's them. They they're still that ye,
2:27:34
So kudos to them, kudos to you, and thanks for
2:27:38
these vitamins. Yeah, I'm gonna take them. I'll tell you
2:27:40
what's up.
2:27:41
Speaker 3: Tell me what's up.
2:27:42
Speaker 1: They suck, I'm gonna tell you that. I'm sure they're great.
2:27:44
I'm just kidding. Uh North performance, that's what it's called.
2:27:49
And your movie to strike out tomorrow tomorrow beautiful, perfect
2:27:54
time in two hundred and fifty years.
2:27:56
Speaker 2: Celebrate the our veterans.
2:27:58
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, good luck with that, Thank you, congratulations on everything,
2:28:03
all right, lad lessure