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Influencers Caught Abusing Children Inside Luxury Home Now FOR SALE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Ruby Frankie, the disgraced online influencer with eight million followers
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Speaker 2: listening to her as she doles out advice on parenting.
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Speaker 2: That is until she's convicted of starving and beating and
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Speaker 2: torturing her children. Now, of course the husband got a
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Speaker 2: divorce over her treatment of the children. But where was
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Speaker 2: he doing all this? How come he's not charged? I'm
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Speaker 2: just curious. But remember she had a partner, a partner
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Speaker 2: in crime, Jody Hildebrant was basically her co anchor on
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Speaker 2: the series called eight Passengers. Boy, they were making a
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Speaker 2: mint off that and the whole time abusing their children. Well,
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Speaker 2: in the last hours we learn Jody Hildebrant's sprawling Utah
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Speaker 2: desert mansion goes on the market for five million dollars,
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Speaker 2: including the evil so called Panic Room where Ruby Frankie's
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Speaker 2: starving children were tortured. Curious viewers are racing to tour
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Speaker 2: the House of horrors, all pretending they're interested in buying it.
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Speaker 2: Who would want to buy a home where children were tortured?
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Speaker 2: I mean to see, Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us here at Crime Stories. Ruby
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Speaker 2: Frankie and Jody Hildebrant. May they both wrought in hell.
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Speaker 2: Of course they've got a little pit stop at the penitentiary.
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Speaker 2: In the last days, Jody Hildebrant's desert fortress reduced.
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Speaker 1: In value to less than five million dollars.
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Speaker 2: It's got fifteen feet ceilings, a beautiful pool, an outdoor spa,
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Speaker 2: and aom. And you couldn't give it to me on
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Speaker 2: a silver platter on top of a Christmas tree. No,
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Speaker 2: thank you, keep it. Frankie and Hildebrant both pled guilty
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Speaker 2: to aggravated child abuse a couple of months ago, and
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Speaker 2: now this mansion on the market. I really think the
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Speaker 2: proceeds need to go to the children victims. It's a
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Speaker 2: four bedroom mansion and I call it a fortress because
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Speaker 2: it kind of blends in with a desert. About ten
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Speaker 2: thousand square feet. Was originally listed for five point three
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Speaker 2: million dollars, but now that price has been slashed because
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Speaker 2: nobody wants to touch it with a ten foot pole.
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Speaker 2: It was from this mansion that Ruby Frankie's emaciated, starving
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Speaker 2: little twelve year old boy escaped, running to a nearby home,
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Speaker 2: leading police back to Hildebrandt's home to find the little
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Speaker 2: sister slumped over, starved inside a closet.
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Speaker 3: Let's kick it off with our friends at ABC.
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Speaker 4: Arrest documents saying the child escaped to a neighbor's home.
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Speaker 4: The twelve year old child described by that neighbor in
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Speaker 4: a phone call to police as emaciated and malnourished with
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Speaker 4: open wounds four documents, also describing deep lacerations from being
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Speaker 4: tied up with a rope.
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Speaker 5: About the phone their back at the homeless bum.
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Speaker 6: Police say they also found Frankie's ten year old daughter malnourished.
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Speaker 6: Frankie is known for her strict parenting advice to millions
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Speaker 6: of TikTok and YouTube followers.
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Speaker 7: Police say a clearly malnourished twelve year old child crawled
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Speaker 7: out of the window of Hildebrand's Ivans Area home. A
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Speaker 7: neighbor called nine one one when he showed up at
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Speaker 7: their house asking for food and water. Officers say his
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Speaker 7: wrists were duct taped, he had wounds from being tied
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Speaker 7: up across his body. Investigators say they found a ten
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Speaker 7: year old girl inside the same house who was also malnourished.
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Speaker 2: You're also hearing our friends at KASL, so we have
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Speaker 2: at least one child who had apparently just turned twelve,
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Speaker 2: crawling out the window of the family home starved. And
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Speaker 2: believe you me, if you haven't ever seen it, I hope.
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Speaker 3: You never do.
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Speaker 2: I pray to God you never do, because when you
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Speaker 2: see a child that has been starved as I have, it's.
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Speaker 3: Something you never forget.
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Speaker 2: I remember when I was going to South Carolina just
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Speaker 2: recovered the Alex Mardog double murder trial. I passed a
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Speaker 2: yard and there was a dog tied up in the
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Speaker 2: front yard to a stake, and I could see the
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Speaker 2: dog's ribs, and it reminds me when I went to
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Speaker 2: Aruba with Natalie Holloway's mother just recently to try to
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Speaker 2: turn up new evidence for at the end of the
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Speaker 2: island where the lighthouse is, there was a pack of dogs,
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Speaker 2: maybe four or five of them, that kept coming up
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Speaker 2: to us, chasing after us, and they looked like skeletons
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Speaker 2: that their ribs were poking out, and it just I've
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Speaker 2: thought about them over and over and over, and when
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Speaker 2: you see a child with their ribs poking out, clearly emaciated,
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Speaker 2: I can't even get the dogs out of my mind,
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Speaker 2: much less the children that I saw that way. As
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Speaker 2: a prosecutor, and not just once, over and over and
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Speaker 2: over food deprivation, starving your child. I think about this
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Speaker 2: twelve year old little boy to the point where he
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Speaker 2: crawls out the window and goes to a neighbor asking
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Speaker 2: for food, and the neighbor sees lacerations, lacerations for the
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Speaker 2: child has been tied up. And then we learn that
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Speaker 2: there's another child in the home, a ten year old
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Speaker 2: little girl with the same lacerations, mal nutrition, malnourished living
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Speaker 2: in that home.
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Speaker 3: Who and the hell is the mommy? Who and the
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Speaker 3: hell is the dad.
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Speaker 2: That would do this to their children? Well, I hope
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Speaker 2: you're sitting down, take a listen to our friends at GMA.
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Speaker 6: A Utah mom influencer arrested facing six felony counts of
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Speaker 6: aggravated child abuse for the first time. We're hearing emergency
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Speaker 6: responders as they see one of Ruby Frankie's children after
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Speaker 6: he allegedly escaped through a window.
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Speaker 8: And now does have got favor out with the uncle.
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Speaker 9: He's not telling up the.
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Speaker 10: Tours around her ankles becoming he's becoming emotional regarding the
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Speaker 10: chiltel I'm glad to have.
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Speaker 2: With me, An all Star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we know right now. But first I want to
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Speaker 2: go to investigative reporter with TSL dot com out of Utah.
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Speaker 2: Emily Ashcraft is with us. Emily, thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us.
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Speaker 1: Who is this woman?
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Speaker 2: And we're hearing a lot about the mom, But as
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Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned, the father hen goes straight to
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Speaker 2: hell too.
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Speaker 3: But first tell me who is she?
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Speaker 9: She is a family YouTuber blogger and the family actually
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Speaker 9: it's it's YouTube channel faded out or stopped recently and
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Speaker 9: she started up another YouTube channel ler as a counselor instead.
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Speaker 8: Of a mom.
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Speaker 9: What is eight Passengers, so that that's the family's YouTube channel,
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Speaker 9: and you know she said in an article KSL wrote
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Speaker 9: of years ago that she started the channel because she
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Speaker 9: wanted other moms who were kind of starting out with
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Speaker 9: infants to see what it's like to have kids that
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Speaker 9: are getting older. Kind of the rewards of motherhood is
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Speaker 9: what she wanted to show off in her in the
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Speaker 9: eight Passengers YouTube channel.
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Speaker 2: Ruby Ranky YouTuber mom of six Ruby rankye fr nke.
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Speaker 3: How many followers? I understand?
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Speaker 2: Over two point two million subscribers to eight Passengers channel.
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Speaker 9: That's the numbers that I've seen as well.
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Speaker 2: Okay, who in the hay is drinking the kool aid?
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Speaker 3: That's what I want to know.
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Speaker 2: And I want to go now to Donna Kelly, former
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Speaker 2: Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney and lawyer for Crime Victims
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Speaker 2: Legal Clinic.
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Speaker 3: Donna, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: And I've seen this over and over and over. It's
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Speaker 2: not just a story. It's not something we're reporting on.
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Speaker 2: It's not some fiction or TV made for TV movie.
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Speaker 2: Not only do you have the parents abusing the child horribly,
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Speaker 2: but people around them, they know what's happening.
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Speaker 3: And they do nothing. What is wrong with these people?
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not as if this just happened and
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Speaker 2: they suddenly see, oh, the child has bruises all over
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Speaker 2: their arms.
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Speaker 3: That's suspicious. They're starved, they're starved.
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Speaker 2: That takes a long period of time, Donna Kelly, and
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Speaker 2: nobody noticed.
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Speaker 11: Yes it does.
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Speaker 12: And unfortunately, many abusers are have the mindset that they
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Speaker 12: work hard at portraying themselves as you know, the good parent,
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Speaker 12: the parent you go to when you need advice. That
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Speaker 12: type of thing is not uncommon, and so that appears
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Speaker 12: to be what's going on here is that this particular
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Speaker 12: set of parents decided that they were going to portray
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Speaker 12: themselves as the ideal parent and put that out there
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Speaker 12: to the world, and apparently a lot, at least two
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Speaker 12: point two million people were fooled.
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Speaker 2: Guys, I just wanted to hear something. Take a listen
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Speaker 2: to our friends at Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 13: Independent journalist and YouTuber Katie Paulson tracks child abuse cases.
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Speaker 13: She says Frankie's YouTube channel eight passengers caught her attention.
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Speaker 14: And she was saying how she would send her daughter
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Speaker 14: to school with no food, and it was almost like
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Speaker 14: she was bragging about it.
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Speaker 13: She recalls another time when Frankie's son openly talked about
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Speaker 13: his punishment on the channel.
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Speaker 14: He was talking about how he had been sleeping on
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Speaker 14: the floor on a bean bag chair and how his
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Speaker 14: mom had taken away his bed and is taking away
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Speaker 14: his door.
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Speaker 2: That child had a sleep on a bean bag chair
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Speaker 2: for seven plus months for pulling a prank on his brother,
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Speaker 2: A prank I might add, that didn't even cause any
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Speaker 2: physical harm.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: I'm taking a look right now at Jody Hildebrandt's Utah mansion.
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Speaker 2: It's now on the blot for around five million. The
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Speaker 2: price has been slashed.
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Speaker 1: It's huge.
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Speaker 2: It was here that Hildebrant and the mommy blogger Ruby
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Speaker 2: Frankie held Frankie's children captive while they starved and tortured them.
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Speaker 2: I can see in the distance the nearest home and
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Speaker 2: this little boy starved twelve years old, covered in bruises
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Speaker 2: and cuts from being duct taped and held captive, emaciated.
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Speaker 2: The guy who called nine one one actually broke down
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Speaker 2: crying on the call. I'm taking a look at it,
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Speaker 2: and the little boy had to run through cactus barefoot
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Speaker 2: to get to the neighbor's home to get help for
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Speaker 2: the little sister. Now I'm looking at a picture of
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Speaker 2: Hildebrandt and Frankie sitting all dressed up with her hair
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Speaker 2: blown out, in beautiful clothes. It looks like a luxurious
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Speaker 2: pit group in somebody's home as they conduct their mommy
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Speaker 2: blogging show. I mean, this makes my stomach hurt. And
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Speaker 2: here we've got a mom starving the children and bragging
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Speaker 2: about it online. What I also don't understand. To doctor
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Speaker 2: Dana Anderson, forensic psychologist and consultant, you can find her
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Speaker 2: at psychologydoctor dot com. She's bad enough but who are
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Speaker 2: the two point two million people that an ad to
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Speaker 2: watch her gibberish?
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Speaker 15: Well, I can tell you I certainly wasn't tuning in.
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Speaker 15: I'd never even heard of Ruby frank until this came up.
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Speaker 15: But what's more deplorables her sidekick Jodie Hildebrandt, who's a
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Speaker 15: license professional, who's observing this.
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Speaker 8: The whole time.
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Speaker 2: Two point two million people following this witch straight from hell.
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Speaker 2: I want you to hear more of what we have learned.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 13: Diane Nevins remembers being horrified at what she was watching
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Speaker 13: on YouTube.
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Speaker 16: It was kind of like every video there was something
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Speaker 16: to be shocked about.
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Speaker 1: Her son couldn't walk.
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Speaker 16: From until he was like two and a half years old,
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Speaker 16: and she never got any help. And she admitted that
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Speaker 16: she had a one point he'd fallen off the couch
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Speaker 16: or she dropped him. He had got no no physical
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Speaker 16: therapy anything.
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Speaker 13: Nevins says when she commented her concerns, she was blocked
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Speaker 13: by Frankie.
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Speaker 2: What exactly to Emily Askroff, joining us investigative reporter for
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Speaker 2: KSL dot com, What was found in the home after
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Speaker 2: the neighbor has to call nine one one when she
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Speaker 2: gets a twelve year old little boy who says his
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Speaker 2: ten year old sisters inside of the same injuries starved,
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Speaker 2: starved and covered in lacerations, showing the child had been
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Speaker 2: tied up. What they cops find when they go inside.
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Speaker 9: They found a second child and that the two youngest
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Speaker 9: children in the family were both so starved. The one
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Speaker 9: that didn't crawl out and initially refused medical care, but
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Speaker 9: they after interacting with her for a while, they kind
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Speaker 9: of said, let's go to the hospital as well, and
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Speaker 9: both of the women were churched with six counts, three
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Speaker 9: for each child of aggravated child abuse.
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Speaker 2: Authorities say that both children were described as quote their words,
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Speaker 2: not mine, emaciated and malnourished, with open wounds and dut
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Speaker 2: tapes around on the extremities, begging for food and water,
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Speaker 2: begging for food and water.
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Speaker 3: And this woman And don't think.
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Speaker 2: I'm letting the husband off, Oh no, I'm.
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Speaker 3: Getting to him.
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Speaker 2: This woman actually has a YouTube channel where she dispenses advice.
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Speaker 3: I'm just imagining the.
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Speaker 2: Inside of that home and how the children were bound
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Speaker 2: with duct tape and apparently their skin was burned with
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Speaker 2: ropes having tied them up. What kind of mothering and
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Speaker 2: fathering is that? And it brings to mind the so called.
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Speaker 3: House of Horrors. Yes, the evil Turpin parents.
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Speaker 2: Their daughter crawled out of the house out of a
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Speaker 2: window and ran to call nine to one one to
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Speaker 2: save her brothers and sisters. They were found in the
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Speaker 2: same exact condition. Take a listen to hour cut thirty five.
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Speaker 2: Our friends at ac GTN.
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Speaker 17: Officials say when they entered the Turpin home they found
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Speaker 17: a modern day horror, foul smell, extremely dirty conditions, and
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Speaker 17: they say it was immediately clear that the siblings were malnourished.
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Speaker 17: Authority say they found three of the children shackled to
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Speaker 17: their beds with chains and padlocks, kept in dark and
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Speaker 17: unclean conditions inside this Riverside County, California home. Deputies located
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Speaker 17: twelve children inside the house as young as two years old.
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Speaker 2: And upon further investigation, when authorities went to their last
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Speaker 2: home where the Turpins lived, they found claw marks on
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Speaker 2: the inside of closet doors where children had tried to
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Speaker 2: claw their way out. And listen to this nine to
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Speaker 2: one one call in our cut thirty six. This is
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Speaker 2: a Turpin child that crawled out the window, much like
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Speaker 2: this influencer's child did.
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Speaker 18: Okay, I lived in a family of fifteen people, and
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Speaker 18: my parents are abused, be abused us and my two
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Speaker 18: little sisters right now are chained up.
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Speaker 9: And how many of your siblings are trying to.
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Speaker 18: Us of my sisters, one of my brothers.
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Speaker 8: How are they tied up with Rome or with.
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Speaker 15: What it's king?
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Speaker 18: They're changed up to their bed.
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Speaker 3: Guys.
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Speaker 2: Also, I can't forget the case of Jennifer wolfthaal take
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Speaker 2: a listener cut thirty four our friend Stephen helling over
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Speaker 2: at people dot com.
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Speaker 19: According to an arrest report obtained by WFTV, wolf Thal
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Speaker 19: was arrested that time after her husband arrived at the
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Speaker 19: hospital with their eight year old daughter, who suffered from
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Speaker 19: conditions including pneumonia, a staff infection, and liver failure. Authorities
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Speaker 19: say the girl was also malnourished and had multiple bruises,
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Speaker 19: a skin infection, and several open wounds. Wolf Thal is
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Speaker 19: the author of the children's book A Real Friend. It
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Speaker 19: has been removed from sale by its publisher.
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Speaker 2: See the connection I'm making right there. You've got this
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Speaker 2: woman who is an influencer who has a YouTube channel
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Speaker 2: about parenting. She has mistreated and abused her children. They're starving,
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Speaker 2: They're tied up with duct tape. When cops get there,
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Speaker 2: they still have duct tape on their extremities.
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Speaker 3: It looks like they have rope burns and.
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Speaker 2: They're begging for food and water, having to climb out
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Speaker 2: the window to get to a phone to call nine
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Speaker 2: to one, pint one, begging neighbors to give them something
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Speaker 2: to eat. And here is this book author who has
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Speaker 2: her child covered in bruises, with skin infections, open wounds.
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Speaker 3: You know what makes Ruby.
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Speaker 2: Frank different from the Turpin mom. Ruby Frankie is glamorous. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: she has this YouTube channel and boys, she making the
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Speaker 2: most of it. Guys, I want you to take a
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Speaker 2: listen to doctor free has joining us pediatrician, pediatric emergency
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Speaker 2: medicine expert, child safety expert, and you can find doctor
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Speaker 2: it doesn't look like it sounds. It's like attrition p
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Speaker 3: D as in.
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Speaker 2: Daffodil I p ed imom dot com. Doctor free has
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. What this woman has
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Speaker 2: is hair and makeup. That's what makes her different from
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Speaker 2: the Turpin family or the other mom. They're all builds
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Speaker 2: a up straight from hell. They're the devil's minions.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's actually a very big misconception that a
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Speaker 8: lot of people have about abusers, child abusers specifically. I
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Speaker 8: think a lot of people have in their mind that
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Speaker 8: it's only a certain type of person that can do
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Speaker 8: these types of evil things to children, and it's not.
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Speaker 8: It can literally be anybody.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you think you know your neighbor, you
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Speaker 2: think you know all about what's going on in your neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: These children are being starved in their own home, assaulted,
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Speaker 2: tied up with ropes and with duct tape that we
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Speaker 2: know of the on the evidence we're hearing so far,
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Speaker 2: and nobody did a thing, and people kept watching this
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Speaker 2: woman online. Jason Jensen joining me, Salt Lake City, Utah,
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Speaker 2: private investigator, owner of Jensen Private Investigations, co founder of
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Speaker 2: the Cold Case Coalition, and you can find them at
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Speaker 2: Jensen Private Investigations dot com. This is in your neck
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Speaker 2: of the woods.
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Speaker 11: What do you have to say, Well, Nancy, there's a
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Speaker 11: lot that can be said here. It's interesting that you
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Speaker 11: know the outer image that was being portrayed, you know,
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Speaker 11: like you describer Glamour's mom raising six.
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Speaker 5: Kids wants to show off to the world how to
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Speaker 5: do it right. Well, you know that seems to really
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Speaker 5: have like a Mormon household style image. Oftentimes in the
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Speaker 5: church here in our community, they try to portray to
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Speaker 5: the world a model style of raising a family, and
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Speaker 5: unfortunately this lady took matters way to the extreme. We're
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Speaker 5: not just showing like discipline online, but goes to the
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Speaker 5: extreme of child abuse.
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Speaker 2: Now, this ten thousand square foot home that has just
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Speaker 2: gone on the market includes a quote panic room in
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Speaker 2: the basement with a vault like door that locks from
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Speaker 2: the outside. This is where apparently the children were tortured.
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Speaker 2: Police found a mix of cayenne, hot pepper and honey
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Speaker 2: that would be put on the children's wounds. How badly
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Speaker 2: do you think that hurt to have open wounds on
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Speaker 2: your wrist, your arms, your waist, your ankles, and then
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Speaker 2: have your own mother put cayenne pepper on the open wounds.
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Speaker 2: Oh man, I wonder if that's what Satan's going to
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Speaker 2: do to her in Hell. I don't know, but that's
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Speaker 2: for them to figure out. Right now, I'm taking a
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Speaker 2: look at coils of rope that were used to bind
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Speaker 2: and tie up these little children.
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Speaker 1: What more do we know?
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Speaker 3: Guys?
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Speaker 2: When someone did try to speak out against Ruby Frankie,
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Speaker 2: take a listen to what happened in our cut seventeen
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Speaker 2: Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 13: Paulson also saying when she did a report on what
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Speaker 13: Frankie and her kids were seeing in the videos, she
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Speaker 13: was threatened to be sued. She forwarded me an email
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Speaker 13: from Frankie's lawyer sent in twenty twenty that says, in part,
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Speaker 13: we represent the family vlog channel EAT passengers who continue
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Speaker 13: to be harmed by defamatory videos uploaded to YouTube by
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Speaker 13: your client, and saying it resulted in a baseless visit
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Speaker 13: by Child Protective Services.
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Speaker 14: They always say, if you see something, say something, and
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Speaker 14: in this case, when people said something, they were threatened.
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Speaker 3: Let me understand something.
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Speaker 2: Emily Ashcroft joining us from KSL, Child Protective Services went
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Speaker 2: to the hall. Even though now Frankie is climbing, that
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Speaker 2: was baseless and what they found.
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Speaker 3: Nothing, They couldn't tell anything was going on.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, they went to the home to talk about those
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Speaker 9: claims that you brought up in videos. It was clear
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Speaker 9: that she sent a child to school without lunch and
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Speaker 9: had a child sleeping on a bean bag, and so
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Speaker 9: they went to investigate those and that didn't lead to
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Speaker 9: any charges. At that point, you know it red flags,
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Speaker 9: but I guess not that flagnivity.
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Speaker 3: I watched it.
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Speaker 2: She brags about withholding food from her children.
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Speaker 3: How is that? Okay?
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Speaker 2: Take a listen hour cut twenty two. This is Ruby
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Speaker 2: Frankie in eight passengers.
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Speaker 20: Russell got the big bedroom and Check got the smaller bedroom.
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Speaker 20: And Russell's bigger bedroom also had a bathroom. But what
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Speaker 20: you guys didn't know was God didn't get any room
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Speaker 20: did He didn't get anything.
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Speaker 16: He was sleeping on the floor in the family room.
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Speaker 1: Abby.
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Speaker 20: We took the phone away from Abby in November and
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Speaker 20: you may never get the phone back probably. And my
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Speaker 20: kids are literally starving. I hesitate to say this because
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Speaker 20: it's going to sound like I'm like a mean barbarian.
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Speaker 20: But I told the kids, I said, I'm not even
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Speaker 20: gonna let you eat breakfast until you get your chores done.
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Speaker 2: It's not just that she's withholding food, and it's not
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Speaker 2: just because they didn't do chores one morning before school.
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Speaker 3: It's all the time.
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Speaker 2: You don't get to a point of starvation when you
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Speaker 2: occasionally skip breakfast. Isn't that true, Doctor free hes Pediatrician.
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Speaker 8: Yeah. Absolutely. You don't get to move seeded by missing
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Speaker 8: a meal or two here or there, and you don't
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Speaker 8: appear to be that to outside people unless you're missing
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Speaker 8: a substantial amount of meals and nutrition, which can then
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Speaker 8: lead to a whole host of other things that unfortunately
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Speaker 8: these kids may have to deal with.
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Speaker 2: So in one fell sweet we hear about with holding
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Speaker 2: food wars are done in the morning, not giving one child.
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Speaker 3: A place to sleep.
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Speaker 2: But there's a certain amount of bragging, of bravado, of joviality,
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Speaker 2: of cheer, and the way she describes how she's treating
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Speaker 2: her children and what everybody just stands by and lifts
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Speaker 2: it up while they're a big at the trough. Take
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Speaker 2: a listen hour cut twenty four more of Ruby Frankie.
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Speaker 10: I just got a text message from Eve's teacher and
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Speaker 10: she said that Eve did not pack a lunch today
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Speaker 10: and can I bring a lunch over to the school.
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Speaker 10: This happens quite often when you're having raising children, because
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Speaker 10: I know that her teacher is uncomfortable with her being
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Speaker 10: hungry and not having a lunch, and it would ease
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Speaker 10: her discomfort if I came to the school with lunch.
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Speaker 10: But I responded and just said, Eve is responsible for
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Speaker 10: making her lunches in the morning, and she actually told
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Speaker 10: me she did pack a lunch. So the natural outcome
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Speaker 10: is she's just going to need to be hungry and
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Speaker 10: hopefully nobody gives her food, and nobody steps in and
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Speaker 10: gives her a lunch.
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Speaker 2: And isn't it true that at that time, Emily Ashcroft
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Speaker 2: ksl this little girl was only six years old.
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Speaker 9: That's what I saw is this is a you know,
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Speaker 9: first grader, just you know, first year. She's bringing food
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Speaker 9: to food to school probably and the later the mom said,
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Speaker 9: you know, justifying it after after child protective services were called,
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Speaker 9: she said, you know it was I didn't learn until
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Speaker 9: two hours before the end of school and it was
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Speaker 9: a forty five minute drive, so getting it to.
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Speaker 2: Her really because that's not what she said in her.
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Speaker 9: Blood gratitude, she said it was.
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Speaker 2: Because the child didn't the six year old girl did
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Speaker 2: not pack her own lunch.
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Speaker 8: She changed said that.
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Speaker 2: She knew it would ease the teacher's discomfort if her
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Speaker 2: child had food. What about the child? What about the
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Speaker 2: child discomfort? That's not all take a listen to our
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Speaker 2: cuts twenty seven to twenty eight more of Ruby Frankie.
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Speaker 20: Kevin and I we have six children, the two youngest
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Speaker 20: are showing long patterns of selfishness. They have been showing
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Speaker 20: through their choices, their unwillingness to repent, their unwillingness to
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Speaker 20: feel sorrow over some pretty egregious choices that they've made.
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Speaker 20: So Kevin and I have decided that we are going
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Speaker 20: to give the gift of truth to them this year
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Speaker 20: for Christmas. We are having to give them the gift
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Speaker 20: of boundaries, and we're going to give them the gift
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Speaker 20: of repentance. So we sat down with them and we
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Speaker 20: let them know how deeply sorrowful we've been because of
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Speaker 20: the choices that they have been making, and how it's
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Speaker 20: affected their teachers at school, it's affected their peers, it's
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Speaker 20: affected in our home, the siblings, and we just laid
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Speaker 20: it out very clear, and we told them that this
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Speaker 20: year they are not going to be visited by Santo.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: You know what, I wouldn't take this, as I said,
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Speaker 2: on a silver platter, this home, this five million dollars
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Speaker 2: so called fortress. It's in a sleepy little community and
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Speaker 2: very very upscale homes all around it. It's got this
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Speaker 2: gorgeous mahogany front door, skylights, fifteen foot ceilings, beautiful views
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Speaker 2: of a desert landscape. And this is a kitchen a
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Speaker 2: lot of women would kill. Four double ovens, top of
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Speaker 2: the line appliances, gorgeous marbletop counters, a stainless steel sink,
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Speaker 2: a butler's pantry with its own dishwasher, fridge, and microwave.
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Speaker 2: The primary bedroom has a fireplace, a walk in closet, washer, dryer,
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Speaker 2: a soaking tub, a steam room, good gravy. The lower
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Speaker 2: level has another full size kitchen, a home theater, a
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Speaker 2: family room, pull spa fire pit, outdoor kitchen, five car garage.
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Speaker 2: You know, it makes me wonder why are rich people
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Speaker 2: so miserable and so darn me? I don't get it.
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Speaker 2: Police recovered knotted ropes from a drawer in the panic room.
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Speaker 2: Metal chains connecting to a set of handcuffs were tied
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Speaker 2: to one end. All this money and this beautiful desert mansion,
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Speaker 2: and this is what they did with their blessings. The
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Speaker 2: man that called nine one one described the little boy
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Speaker 2: as emaciated, and he and his wife were all offering
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Speaker 2: the little boy water and fruit. The little twelve year
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Speaker 2: old told police he tried to get away a month earlier,
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Speaker 2: and his mother then bound his wrists and ankles with handcuffs.
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Speaker 2: There was a malnourished, starving little girl whose head had
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Speaker 2: been shaved, sitting cross legged in a closet. Police finally
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Speaker 2: got her out of the closet after four hours of
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Speaker 2: begging and cajoling, culminating in the officers ordering her pizza.
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Speaker 2: I think that's how they finally got her out. The
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Speaker 2: little thing was so starved she wouldn't come out, but
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Speaker 2: when she smelled the pizza, it's my understanding she came out.
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Speaker 2: These children were forced to work in oppressive desert heat
30:51
Speaker 2: for hours with practically no food or water. The little
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Speaker 2: twelve year old boy was so badly sunburnt for weeks
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Speaker 2: out in the sun without any suntan protection. We now
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Speaker 2: know Frankie and Hildebrant routinely withheld food while crime scene photos.
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Speaker 2: Oh this makes me sick just to say it. The
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Speaker 2: crime scene photos shows a pantry full of snacks and food.
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Speaker 2: I've looked at the crime scene photos and the photos
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Speaker 2: of the children. The photos look like those horrible photos
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Speaker 2: of Holocaust victims that were starving, badly, badly, malnourished, all
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Speaker 2: starving to death. Now I'm looking at the oh gosh,
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Speaker 2: the pantry. It's full of belonging food stuffs tied with ribbons,
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Speaker 2: like they were bought at a specialty store. Cake mixes, honey, nestle, quick,
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Speaker 2: just all sorts of things on the very top shelf,
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Speaker 2: pie feelings. There's some Duncan hinds cake icing. But not
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Speaker 2: for these children, Not for these children. They didn't get anything.
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Speaker 2: That little children, Russell and Eve, two of them, were
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Speaker 2: told that they were possessed and that the punishments their
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Speaker 2: own mother gave them were quote necessary to repent. That's
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Speaker 2: not anything I've ever read in the New Testament. The
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Speaker 2: women regularly tried to indoctrinate the twelve year old litle
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Speaker 2: boy to convince him he was evil and that the
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Speaker 2: abuse was quote acts of love. What more do we know?
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Speaker 20: This year? They are not going to be visited by Santa.
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Speaker 20: We let them know that Christmas morning, therefore, older siblings
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Speaker 20: will be getting Christmas presents to open, and that they
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Speaker 20: will have the gift of love from their dad tonight.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's just examine what we just heard. Donna Kelly
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Speaker 2: joining me, former Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney.
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Speaker 3: Donna.
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Speaker 2: She says, the youngest two, which I believe to be
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Speaker 2: around the ages of six and seven, were unwilling to
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Speaker 2: quote repent. So therefore, while all the other children were
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Speaker 2: visited by Santa, the two little ones were not because
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Speaker 2: they would not quote repent. I didn't make that up,
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Speaker 2: she said that. And after you speak, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: need a.
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Speaker 3: Shrink on this. Go ahead, Donna Kelly.
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Speaker 2: And Donna, I know you've seen this, as have I,
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Speaker 2: where one or more children are picked out as the targets.
33:57
Speaker 2: Although I think all of these children have been abuse
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Speaker 2: and mistreated, seemingly, one usually is picked out as the
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Speaker 2: most despised and hated, and they're tortured more than anyone else.
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Speaker 2: These two children, as they watch their sisters and brothers
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Speaker 2: get Christmas Morning surprises, they get nothing. And then there
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Speaker 2: are two children that are bound with duct tape and
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Speaker 2: ropes and starved. I just want to get my hands
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Speaker 2: around this woman's neck. Then not only does she do
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Speaker 2: this to her children behind closed doors, she brags about
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Speaker 2: it on a YouTube channel that is two point two
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Speaker 2: million followers.
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Speaker 12: It's just absolutely heartbreaking to listen to her to portray
34:43
Speaker 12: herself as the victim. You know, we told these two
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Speaker 12: children that their dad and I were very sorrowful, and
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Speaker 12: so she's portraying herself as the victim, which is a
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Speaker 12: very common abuser tech, you know, gaslighting the victim. And
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Speaker 12: these are children. They need to learn by trial and
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Speaker 12: error as they go along, and the parents need to
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Speaker 12: be responding to them in that way, in a kind
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Speaker 12: and loving way, And it's just absolutely heartbreaking. I can
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Speaker 12: see why they were charged with severe emotional harm of
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Speaker 12: these two children. In the charging document, they're charged with
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Speaker 12: not only torture maltrition, but also severe emotional harm, which
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Speaker 12: it absolutely is.
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Speaker 2: To doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychologist and consultant, what do
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Speaker 2: you make of the other children, four of them getting
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Speaker 2: all their Christmas gifts from Santa and these two being
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Speaker 2: left out on Christmas morning one of the biggest days,
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Speaker 2: one of the two biggest days in the Christian year,
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Speaker 2: that being Christmas and Easter, and they're left out because
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Speaker 2: they wouldn't quote repent.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, she wants to make an example out of them,
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Speaker 15: punish them, humiliate, them. You know, it's all this sort
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Speaker 15: of brainwashing, gas lightingness.
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Speaker 2: On a six year old, gaslighting, manipulating, abusing a six
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Speaker 2: year old child and her brother. So let me understand something.
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Speaker 2: The Emily Ashcroft, the six year old child that had
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Speaker 2: food withheld, would that be the now ten year old
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Speaker 2: child left behind in the home, starving and tied up
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Speaker 2: when the.
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Speaker 3: Twelve year old brother escapes through the window.
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Speaker 9: That would be that that same child.
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Speaker 2: So this has been going on since the little girl
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Speaker 2: was six and the little boy was eight.
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Speaker 9: One of the things that Ruby Frankie said after her
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Speaker 9: arrest was that those children weren't fit to be around
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Speaker 9: other children. And I'm not sure what she means by that,
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Speaker 9: but it seemed like it was specific to those two guys.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen at our cut thirty.
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Speaker 1: Portraying him stop it.
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Speaker 20: I know you're not, but it looks like you are.
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Speaker 10: I'm only gonna say it one more time, and then
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Speaker 10: you're gonna lose the privilege to eat dinner.
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Speaker 3: Okay. I hear the laughter.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on, but I also hear
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Speaker 2: you're gonna lose the privilege of eating dinner. I hear
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Speaker 2: Ruby Frankie saying that now the daughter Sherry has something
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Speaker 2: to say. Take a listen to our cut twenty Box thirteen.
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Speaker 13: Frank's oldest daughter, Sherry frank who is twenty years old,
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Speaker 13: posted to her public Instagram today a photo of police
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Speaker 13: with the caption Finally, she added another story, saying, me
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Speaker 13: and my family are so glad justice is being served.
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Speaker 13: We've been trying to tell the police and CPS for
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Speaker 13: years about this and so glad they finally decided to
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Speaker 13: step up. Kids are safe, but there's a long road ahead.
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Speaker 13: Please keep them in your prayers and also respect their privacy.
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Speaker 13: As of now, four children have been taken into custody
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Speaker 13: of Child and Family Services.
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Speaker 2: Guys, there's another person arrested. Take a list Our cut
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Speaker 2: eighteen Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 13: Eight passengers was taken down earlier this year, and that's
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Speaker 13: when Frankie partnered with Jody Hildebrandt, a licensed therapist, in
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Speaker 13: a channel called Connections, where they gave parenting and life advice.
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Speaker 13: Here they are pictured in Hildebrant's home, the same place
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Speaker 13: Frankie's son escaped from and where her daughter was found
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Speaker 13: being held captive in the basement.
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Speaker 14: It's heartbreaking and I think it's heartbreaking for the community
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Speaker 14: that watched this family knew that something was wrong.
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Speaker 2: So people watched the family and knew something was wrong
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Speaker 2: and did nothing. In the last hours, we learn Jodie
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Speaker 2: Hildebrant's sprawling Utah desert mansion goes on the market for
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Speaker 2: five million dollars, including the evil so called panic room
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Speaker 2: where Ruby Frankie's starving children were tortured. I hope every
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Speaker 2: penny from the sale of this home goes to these
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Speaker 2: child victims. We wait as justice un faults. Goodbye friends,