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Cultivating Longevity with Alejandro Bataller · Deeply Well with Devi Brown

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Deeply Well. This show is a soft place
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Speaker 1: to land on your journey. A space where we explore
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Speaker 1: what it truly means to live well from the inside out.
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Speaker 1: Not perfectly, but honestly. This is Deeply Well. Welcome back
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Speaker 1: to Deeply Well. I'm Debbie Brown. As always, so grateful
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Speaker 1: that you're here with us. Today's guest is Alejandro Batayer,
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Speaker 1: Managing Partner of Shaw Wellness Clinic, and one of the
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Speaker 1: leading voices shaping the global conversation around longevity and integrative health.
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Speaker 1: In 2007, Alejandro joined his family's company, AB Living, to
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Speaker 1: launch Shaw, a vision inspired by his father's own experience
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Speaker 1: healing from a serious illness. Since then, Shaw has supported
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Speaker 1: nearly 100,000 people from around the world, including heads of state, executives, entrepreneurs,
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Speaker 1: elite athletes, even me. through a highly personalized approach that
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Speaker 1: brings together functional and precision medicine, proactive diagnostics, and science-based
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Speaker 1: longevity protocols, including holistic lifestyle practices and diet, my God,
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Speaker 1: the food. With more than 100 international accolades and a
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Speaker 1: growing global presence from Spain and Mexico to the forthcoming
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Speaker 1: longevity-focused island in Abu Dhabi, Shah is helping redefine what
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Speaker 1: it means to live not only a longer life, but
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Speaker 1: a healthier and more vital one. And as the global
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Speaker 1: longevity economy continues to grow in the trillions, Alejandro and
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Speaker 1: his family are working to make preventative health and longevity
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Speaker 1: practices more accessible around the globe. In today's conversation, we
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Speaker 1: will explore the personal story behind Shah, what longevity truly
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Speaker 1: means beyond the trends, and how we can all begin
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Speaker 1: taking a more intentional and proactive role in our health.
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Speaker 1: Please welcome to the show, Alejandro.
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Speaker 2: Hello, Debbie.
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Speaker 1: Hello.
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Speaker 2: So nice to be here. What an introduction. What else
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Speaker 2: can we say after that?
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Speaker 1: I mean, what a life. What a mission.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. I'm very fortunate.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Really, you know, as you say, it's a life mission.
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Speaker 2: This is the way we feel it, the whole family,
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Speaker 2: my parents, my brother. Shite's a really purpose-driven brand.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That makes the whole difference. Why you do what you do,
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Speaker 2: it impacts greatly on how you do it and what
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Speaker 2: you do.
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Speaker 1: I would love to share with you, before I dive
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Speaker 1: into all of the questions I have, some of the
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Speaker 1: experiences that I had recently at Shaw. So I shared,
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Speaker 1: I did a whole episode about it on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: I know you guys have heard all the things, um,
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Speaker 1: but I had a chance to go to Shaw this
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Speaker 1: past July. Um, your location in Mexico, absolutely gorgeous. Um,
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Speaker 1: I had such a transformative, exceptional time there. Um, As
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Speaker 1: someone and listeners of this show know, I have a
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Speaker 1: couple chronic pain disorders that I've been living with since
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Speaker 1: I was a teenager. And so being in pain every
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Speaker 1: single day has been like my norm for my whole life.
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Speaker 1: And so I, like so many of the millions of people,
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Speaker 1: especially here in America that suffer from chronic illness or
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Speaker 1: autoimmune diseases, you spend your life trying to get people
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Speaker 1: to believe you. when you're sitting in front of them.
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Speaker 1: Like when you're ill and you don't know what's wrong,
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Speaker 1: you're usually just trying to get the doctor in front
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Speaker 1: of you to believe that you're actually sick. And you
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Speaker 1: tend to, like myself, try to engineer health for yourself.
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Speaker 1: You're trying everything, every trend that's possible. You're taking things,
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Speaker 1: you're amassing kind of understanding of your body. And so
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Speaker 1: coming into this experience to really speak to something that
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Speaker 1: you just shared, like the feeling of expertise and compassion
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Speaker 1: that was present felt really, really special. I think in
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Speaker 1: this day and age, and you all have been doing
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Speaker 1: this since 2008. So before really the category of longevity
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Speaker 1: was even introduced, before some of the terminology, even like
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Speaker 1: wellness as an industry existed, you existed. And I think
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Speaker 1: as someone that spends a lot of time, I consult
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Speaker 1: for places, I go all over the world trying to
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Speaker 1: test and bring clients to the best wellness. And you
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Speaker 1: know the difference between what is trend and what is
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Speaker 1: this really kind of deeply led mission and belief. And
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Speaker 1: the safety that I felt at Shaw was so amazing.
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Speaker 1: You know, and I don't know if everyone goes for that.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure I saw so many people having a blast
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Speaker 1: and it seemed like this was like the regular way
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Speaker 1: they take care of themselves. But when you're going someplace
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Speaker 1: and you're concerned about your health, feeling safe is so important.
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Speaker 1: And feeling like you can have dignity in your experience,
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Speaker 1: feeling like You can ask like perceivably stupid questions and
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Speaker 1: not feel ridiculous. Like it's just, it changes everything. It
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Speaker 1: means everything to the person who needs help. And when
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Speaker 1: I went into my Shaw experience in Mexico, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: like I have just had such a burned out year
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Speaker 1: and I've had an immense amount of grief in my
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Speaker 1: life this year. And so I was really showing up
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Speaker 1: battered and bruised, like mind, body, and soul. No one
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Speaker 1: in my life probably even knew that I was struggling
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Speaker 1: that hard. And I remember I got to Shaw and
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Speaker 1: I realized how badly I needed to be there because
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Speaker 1: right when I got there, I actually felt tense. Like
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Speaker 1: I walked in and I was like, okay, is this
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Speaker 1: the right decision? Like, can I let it all go
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Speaker 1: here and now? Am I really going to get helped?
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Speaker 1: Are they going to listen to me? Like I was
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Speaker 1: a little bit tense. And by the first moment that
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Speaker 1: I walked into my room, the first meal that I had,
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Speaker 1: I got there in the evening. So I started with
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Speaker 1: dinner before I met anyone. It was just this feeling
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Speaker 1: of care and nourishment I have never experienced before. And
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Speaker 1: it was really, it was extraordinary. I got to learn
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Speaker 1: so many new things about my body. I got to
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Speaker 1: do practices I had never done before. I finally was
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Speaker 1: able to see an osteopath, which is huge for me.
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Speaker 1: And a nutritionist who guided me on anti-inflammatory eating, which
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Speaker 1: is so important for my body. And I was just,
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Speaker 1: I mean, the precisional amount of care. It's just out
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Speaker 1: of this world. Yeah, I just thank you for existing.
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Speaker 2: Well, testimonials like yours is really what encourages us to
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Speaker 2: do what we do, Debbie. Thank you for transmitting it
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Speaker 2: in such a beautiful way. it's our reason to every
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Speaker 2: day wake up and give our 100% for everyone who
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Speaker 2: is in the Shah family, no? You know that we
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Speaker 2: started Shah for a personal experience of my father. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So my father has been suffering health diseases for many years,
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Speaker 2: visiting doctors and specialists without finding a solution. Mm-hmm. And
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Speaker 2: in 2002, 24 years ago, he was diagnosed with a
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Speaker 2: colon cancer. And a friend of ours told us about
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Speaker 2: a doctor who has specialized in integrative medicine. He went
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Speaker 2: to visit him. And since that moment, he changed completely
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Speaker 2: his lifestyle, his nutrition. He started to meditate, to practice yoga,
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Speaker 2: to practice more sports. I have to admit that my
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Speaker 2: brothers and myself were a bit skeptic in the beginning
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Speaker 2: on him putting all his trust only on a lifestyle change.
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Speaker 2: It's true that he got it on a very early stage.
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Speaker 2: It was a very incipient tumor. But basically, he managed
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Speaker 2: to get what is basically a miracle, what is known
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Speaker 2: as a spontaneous remission. This was very eye-opening for us.
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Speaker 2: I followed his path. I went to visit the same doctor.
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Speaker 2: I've been suffering very strong migraines for over a decade.
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Speaker 2: Visiting the top neurologists in Spain, taking very strong medications,
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Speaker 2: and not seeing any evolution. Again, I changed my lifestyle.
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Speaker 2: I changed my diet. And in a matter of weeks,
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Speaker 2: I was able to recover from that. And my father
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Speaker 2: started feeling since then kind of the necessity to share this.
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Speaker 2: It's like we have access to a treasure that we
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Speaker 2: want to share with others. The vision was that he
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Speaker 2: could have saved many years of suffering health issues. Basically,
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Speaker 2: the question was why this is not more well-known, why
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Speaker 2: the system... It's so focused. We call it health care,
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Speaker 2: but basically it's sick care. Why the system only acts
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Speaker 2: once the individual is already sick and are only sick
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Speaker 2: when it's showing symptoms, which is usually an advanced stage
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Speaker 2: of illness. And even there, we're usually not looking at
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Speaker 2: the root of the problem, but basically focusing on the
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Speaker 2: symptoms through medication or interventions. So without being physicians, we
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Speaker 2: had no previous experience on health. My father had, he
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Speaker 2: saw this as a signal that we had the vision
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Speaker 2: we should create. We never thought about creating a pampering spa.
10:17
Speaker 2: wellness destination that people come just to relax, but really
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Speaker 2: an institution that can help people to transform, to be
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Speaker 2: an inflection point on their health and well-being. At the
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Speaker 2: end of the day, we get used to what we
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Speaker 2: give to our body. Somehow, as you were mentioning, we
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Speaker 2: kind of become our project managers. We are all self-experimenting
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Speaker 2: and trying to find answers. I would say that this
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Speaker 2: revolution that we are living nowadays especially in the last
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Speaker 2: few years with longevity and with wellness it's not coming
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Speaker 2: from the health system it's not coming from brands it's
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Speaker 2: coming from people people are looking for answers because we
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Speaker 2: are living on one side we're living longer than ever
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Speaker 2: we've seen on the last century we've increased again nearly
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Speaker 2: 50 years on our our life expectancy but on the
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Speaker 2: other side we are spending more years than ever in
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Speaker 2: poor health, in suboptimal health. When you look at cancer, diabetes, obesity,
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Speaker 2: heart diseases, the increase in the last century is spectacular.
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Speaker 2: So you wonder if science is evolving so much, how
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Speaker 2: is it possible that we are increasing all these illnesses?
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Speaker 2: So 74% of deaths globally are due to avoidable, preventable diseases.
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Speaker 2: And we've all seen cases like this around us. So
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Speaker 2: I would say one of the great advantages of today's
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Speaker 2: approach to wellness and longevity is it has become much
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Speaker 2: more science-backed. Having been in this space for 20 years,
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Speaker 2: when you were having this kind of conversation in front
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Speaker 2: of a physician 15 years ago, 10 years ago, people
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Speaker 2: were looking at you like, What is the evidence behind
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Speaker 2: what you're saying? What is the relation between nutrition or
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Speaker 2: movement or sleep and all these illnesses? And now there
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Speaker 2: is so much scientific research between that direct connection. And
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Speaker 2: the point now is education, how we can provide people
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Speaker 2: the tools, and the knowledge. Now, we used to think
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Speaker 2: that the responsible of our health was a doctor, and
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Speaker 2: we were depending only on that doctor first to have
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Speaker 2: access to any information, should I do this analysis or not,
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Speaker 2: and now that has changed completely. We have health wearable devices.
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Speaker 2: We have so much data, so much companies that offer
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Speaker 2: us proactive diagnosis. We have AI, we have chat GPT
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Speaker 2: to process all that information. So the point now is
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Speaker 2: how to educate people so they can make better decisions
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Speaker 2: on their day to day, you know? And that's why
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Speaker 2: SHA exists to produce an inflection point on people.
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Speaker 1: My goodness. You know, when I think about you all
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Speaker 1: launching SHA 20 years ago, like, My God. First, so
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Speaker 1: visionary for its time, but I'm also curious, as you
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Speaker 1: saw your father kind of engineering his healing, I know
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Speaker 1: you shared that that inspired you to look for your own,
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Speaker 1: but how were you all really experiencing that as a family?
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Speaker 1: And even just that experience of him being able to
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Speaker 1: regain his health, like how did that change things in
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Speaker 1: the family system and then lead to understanding like, hey,
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Speaker 1: we might we might be called to bring this to
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Speaker 1: the world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, it was a dramatic change because
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Speaker 2: we were born in Argentina. So we used to eat
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Speaker 2: exactly the opposite of what we eat nowadays. In my house,
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Speaker 2: it was meat on a daily basis. We are coming
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Speaker 2: from the wine region of Argentina, Mendoza. So it really
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Speaker 2: was a dramatic change at home. But after seeing first
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Speaker 2: my father's outcome, then my results... then everyone at home, we,
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Speaker 2: of course, we started to read more about it, to
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Speaker 2: research more about it. We even started to travel and
14:37
Speaker 2: to approach those that were referenced at that time on
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Speaker 2: holistic medicine, on what it was known as anti-age 20
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Speaker 2: years ago, which is very different of what we understand
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Speaker 2: nowadays as longevity. So without being physicians, we started when
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Speaker 2: no one was talking about it, to research more about it.
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Speaker 2: And definitely my father was the visioner, but my brother
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Speaker 2: Alfredo and myself, we were so passionate on supporting him
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Speaker 2: on this greater vision. And the beginning was tough. When
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Speaker 2: we opened, first people didn't understand what Shah was about.
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Speaker 2: Is it an spa? Is it for beauty treatments? Is
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Speaker 2: it for surgery? Is it a rehab? People didn't understand
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Speaker 2: what Chá was about. Then many people were betting that
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Speaker 2: we were not going to have success. After one year promoting,
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Speaker 2: we opened. And on the first week, we had only
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Speaker 2: one guest, which his family name was Valiente. That means
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Speaker 2: brave in Spanish. So this gentleman, he was a Portuguese guy.
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Speaker 2: And this gentleman was asking me, Alejandro, where are the
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Speaker 2: rest of the guests? And I was terrified that he
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Speaker 2: discovered that he's the only guest. You're the VIP. And
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Speaker 2: he leaves. So I had to call friends to simulate
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Speaker 2: that there were shy guests.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: So he feels comfortable, no? And, you know, the first
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Speaker 2: three years were extremely tough. And I would say no
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Speaker 2: one would persevere on that condition. Unless this is a
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Speaker 2: life mission, unless this is something. And we've received proposals
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Speaker 2: of people trying to buy, acquire the property or trying
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Speaker 2: to convert it into a resort. And it's tempting when
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Speaker 2: you have such low occupations. And my father was like, no,
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Speaker 2: this is our mission. This is much bigger than a business.
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Speaker 2: And we are going to succeed because this needs to happen.
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Speaker 2: From one day to another, it started to become super
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Speaker 2: popular thanks to word of mouth. We started to receive
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Speaker 2: royal families, head of governments, athletes, people. I'm talking of
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Speaker 2: a small village in Spain. But people started to speak
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Speaker 2: about it. Once you're able to transform someone's life, that's
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Speaker 2: the best marketing, you know, that you can achieve.
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Speaker 1: When did you notice that kind of like the tide
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Speaker 1: was changing and what was that experience like?
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Speaker 2: Hmm. You know, I would say we've been able to
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Speaker 2: witness the evolution during these two decades. And it's been
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Speaker 2: really an amazing evolution. I would say when we started,
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Speaker 2: our audience was probably my parents' age. And it was
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Speaker 2: mostly people looking for kind of, I would say, short-term results,
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Speaker 2: a lot of weight loss, detox. Mm-hmm. some chronic diseases,
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Speaker 2: but you were not seeing much healthy people on property.
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Speaker 2: There was over 70% female. At that time, for men
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Speaker 2: to go to a place like this, I remember when
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Speaker 2: we started to have the very first male executives come
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Speaker 2: in and they were like, oh my God, if someone
18:28
Speaker 2: sees me here, you know, even go, some of them
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Speaker 2: go to front desk and say, please make sure no
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Speaker 2: one knows that I'm here, you know? And that has
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Speaker 2: changed completely, you know?
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Speaker 1: Now it's a badge of honor.
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Speaker 2: It's a badge of honor. Now they come and Monday
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Speaker 2: they go back to the company and say, well, I've
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Speaker 2: just been to show, look what I did, you know?
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Speaker 2: So it's been fantastic to see that evolution.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Basically we have We have three groups. I would say
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Speaker 2: the first group is firefighters, people who are going through
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Speaker 2: health issues, mainly related with lifestyle. They're usually frustrated with
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Speaker 2: the conventional medical system. And they realize that they need
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Speaker 2: to implement some adjustments, some changes in their lifestyle if
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Speaker 2: they want to recover their health. And that's probably 15-20%
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Speaker 2: of our existing guests. There we require a lot of diagnosis,
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Speaker 2: functional medicine, a lot of tailor-made programs. Then the main
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Speaker 2: group nowadays is people that are pretty much healthy. They're
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Speaker 2: aware that health is our main wealth and they see
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Speaker 2: health as a journey that they want to continue evolving, learning,
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Speaker 2: self-experimenting And also when you're in that journey, a place
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Speaker 2: like Shah becomes like the perfect spot for truly research,
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Speaker 2: for smart holiday. Many times when we go on holidays,
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Speaker 2: we have this concept of indulgement where we end up
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Speaker 2: doing the opposite of what we need, you know, drinking
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Speaker 2: more alcohol, eating more food, sleeping less, and we come
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Speaker 2: back from holidays bloated, and we're kind of feeling worse
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Speaker 2: than before leaving, you know? So people that really want
20:21
Speaker 2: to invest that holiday time for themselves. And then the
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Speaker 2: third group, which has been growing, especially in these last three,
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Speaker 2: four years, is people that are more advanced users that
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Speaker 2: are really into longevity, high performance, a lot of executives, athletes,
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Speaker 2: people that are constantly measuring their biomarkers, are more open
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Speaker 2: to self-experimenting, to stem cells, to exosomes, plasmapheresis. So our
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Speaker 2: goal always at Shai is being able to get to
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Speaker 2: know Every single guest, we send you a questionnaire prior
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Speaker 2: to arrival, so we start preparing your health program and
21:05
Speaker 2: your stay. As you've experienced yourself, the first day you
21:08
Speaker 2: go through a proactive health screening, blood test, and when
21:14
Speaker 2: you have that first medical consultation, you already have a
21:18
Speaker 2: lot of information to optimize your health. Which is what
21:22
Speaker 2: I feel is what is missing on today's system. Because
21:28
Speaker 2: even if you spend $ 10, 000, $ 15, 000 to go for a
21:32
Speaker 2: medical checkup in a great clinic, usually the purpose of
21:36
Speaker 2: a medical checkup is finding or discarding disease. And on
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Speaker 2: the best case scenario, they call you and they tell you, congratulations,
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Speaker 2: we found nothing. You're okay. But they don't give you
21:52
Speaker 2: information that helps you to optimize your health. So health
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Speaker 2: is not binary. It's not that if you're not sick,
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Speaker 2: you're healthy. Right. Health, it's a continuum. The problem is
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Speaker 2: when you're walking from a neutral state towards illness, it's
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Speaker 2: a process that can take many of the illnesses we
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Speaker 2: are suffering nowadays... They are developing silently, and our body
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Speaker 2: is amazing at hiding disease for 10, 15, 20 years.
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Speaker 2: And that starts with small imbalances that many times we
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Speaker 2: think is aging. We don't even go to the doctor.
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Speaker 2: And even if you go to the doctor and you
22:35
Speaker 2: tell them, I'm not sleeping well, I'm not feeling as
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Speaker 2: vital as before, they will tell you, this is aging. No,
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Speaker 2: what are you telling me? I have 100 people in
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Speaker 2: the waiting room with serious illness, no? So the problem
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Speaker 2: is until the end of that continuum, you are not
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Speaker 2: really recognized with a clinical diagnosis that you're sick. But
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Speaker 2: there is a moment of your life that it's gold
23:03
Speaker 2: time that you could be avoiding illness and going on
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Speaker 2: the opposite direction, optimizing your health that we are definitely
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Speaker 2: not using. Looking, of course, at body composition, looking at
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Speaker 2: bone density, looking at VO2 max, looking at your strength,
23:21
Speaker 2: grip strength level, looking at your cognitive capacity, going through
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Speaker 2: skin diagnosis. So many tests, of course, extensive blood work
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Speaker 2: where you can strike conclusions that help you to personalize
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Speaker 2: a plan to go exactly in the opposite direction, which
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Speaker 2: is optimal health. And of course, to thrive at all
23:45
Speaker 2: stages of our life. Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 1: It's so, gosh, I, yeah, that, that piece about it,
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Speaker 1: it's like in our healthcare systems, it has to be
23:55
Speaker 1: the extremes like you described. It's like, you're either dying
24:00
Speaker 1: or it's all good, but none of us are that way.
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Speaker 1: It's like, tell me what's under the hood and like,
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Speaker 1: what is happening in there? You know, one of the
24:08
Speaker 1: things that I think, and I really want to illustrate
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Speaker 1: this for those listening, especially those that are feeling called,
24:15
Speaker 1: like I need this. The experience of really being able
24:19
Speaker 1: to go in some place, because most people's medical experience
24:24
Speaker 1: is like one doctor at a time. And it's usually
24:27
Speaker 1: a lot of visits before you get a referral to
24:29
Speaker 1: something else. And then you're kind of starting all over
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Speaker 1: again and trying to get them to understand. And when
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Speaker 1: you go into Shaw, there is a team that is
24:38
Speaker 1: like always talking about you. And they're making these micro
24:42
Speaker 1: adjustments day by day to kind of really understand you
24:47
Speaker 1: from the inside out and meet your needs. And I
24:49
Speaker 1: think one, like when I spoke to earlier, that feeling
24:52
Speaker 1: of like deep safety in your health, because what is
24:55
Speaker 1: more intimate about each of us than our health? Like
24:58
Speaker 1: there's nothing more intimate that we experience than the relationship
25:03
Speaker 1: between ourselves and our body. But you go in. You
25:08
Speaker 1: have a main person that's overlooking everything. And then you
25:11
Speaker 1: have a lot of different doctors and facilitators that you're
25:16
Speaker 1: seeing throughout the day. And then they bring all that
25:18
Speaker 1: information back and tailor it to you for the next day.
25:21
Speaker 1: But myself personally, I did so much testing. It's also
25:27
Speaker 1: a very cool place. The aesthetic is gorgeous. So I
25:29
Speaker 1: felt like I was both like on a spaceship and
25:32
Speaker 1: in like an ancient land at the same time. I
25:36
Speaker 1: was able to work out. I did acupuncture. I had
25:39
Speaker 1: my osteopath. I saw even like a posture specialist. And
25:45
Speaker 1: there were just so many things that I was able
25:47
Speaker 1: to understand about myself. And I think the thing that,
25:52
Speaker 1: you know, when you shared earlier that people thought it
25:55
Speaker 1: was so strange 20 years ago, that's insane to me, right?
26:00
Speaker 1: Like that people think those suffering from things you don't understand,
26:05
Speaker 1: like it's strange to want answers. And the fact is,
26:09
Speaker 1: you know, we're only as advanced as our funded studies
26:13
Speaker 1: are when it comes to medicine. So it's so easy
26:16
Speaker 1: for people and even those who could be listening or say, Oh, no,
26:20
Speaker 1: you know, you don't need all that, or there's no
26:22
Speaker 1: way it's like, Everyone thinks that until a study finally
26:27
Speaker 1: gets funded and conducted, and then it shows you everything
26:31
Speaker 1: that has been going on about our health and our
26:33
Speaker 1: systems and the things that could definitely benefit from being changed.
26:39
Speaker 1: You know, over the last 20 years, you pretty much
26:43
Speaker 1: invented a category, right? That like the world had to
26:47
Speaker 1: catch up to. When you see the experience people have
26:51
Speaker 1: at Shaw now in this day and age, like, What
26:54
Speaker 1: are you noticing about guests that find you now and
26:58
Speaker 1: ways that their experience in Shaw kind of builds out
27:03
Speaker 1: into their lives?
27:06
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. We have a very privileged vision
27:10
Speaker 2: because we are the only wellness destination brand that is
27:13
Speaker 2: present in Europe and is present in Americas. It's interesting
27:18
Speaker 2: to see the difference among both regions. My feeling is
27:25
Speaker 2: Europe's background with some of the clinics that started in
27:28
Speaker 2: Switzerland or Austria or Germany, they were very medicalized, very
27:37
Speaker 2: individual experience, very much focused on, I would say, strict methods, starving,
27:44
Speaker 2: very strict diet. And people were doing it for their
27:50
Speaker 2: health and looking for a result, you know? So this
27:53
Speaker 2: image of a, I don't know, 60 year old lady
27:57
Speaker 2: going through a very strict diet by herself, looking at
28:01
Speaker 2: the window, that's the image that describes probably medical wellbeing
28:05
Speaker 2: in the last 20, 30 years in Europe. Not much community,
28:10
Speaker 2: not much exercise, not luxurious accommodation. And also a lot
28:18
Speaker 2: of people were looking, as I mentioned before, for the
28:22
Speaker 2: short term. I remember, and I won't say the brand,
28:25
Speaker 2: but I remember when I was launching Shah, I went
28:29
Speaker 2: to visit one of these places. Imagine I was 25
28:33
Speaker 2: years old and I was very thin. So I get
28:37
Speaker 2: to this place and I sit on a sharing table
28:42
Speaker 2: with a group of ladies that were average 30 kilos overweight.
28:47
Speaker 2: And I asked them, is it the first time you come?
28:50
Speaker 2: And they told me, no, we've been coming here for
28:52
Speaker 2: many years. And I was like, oh my God, something wrong. No,
28:56
Speaker 2: you're not implementing this. So from the very beginning, we
29:01
Speaker 2: knew that a key goal for us, it was to
29:04
Speaker 2: be an inflection point. And sometimes with some of the
29:08
Speaker 2: guests that I, they have already become friends, that are
29:14
Speaker 2: not implementing changes. And they like to come to Shah
29:16
Speaker 2: once a year to lose a few kilos before the summer.
29:20
Speaker 2: But then they do the opposite. I tell them, you know,
29:23
Speaker 2: this may not be your place. And they're like, what?
29:26
Speaker 2: How can you tell me this? I'm your customer. Yeah,
29:28
Speaker 2: we haven't been able to produce a change in you, no?
29:32
Speaker 2: And that acts many times as a wake-up call, no?
29:37
Speaker 2: Our goal, our reason of existing as a brand is
29:40
Speaker 2: to be an inflection point on people's life, no? Right.
29:44
Speaker 2: That you become the leader of your health. You take
29:49
Speaker 2: the control of your health and you're able to make
29:51
Speaker 2: the best decisions, no? What I see in America is.
29:57
Speaker 2: People are very much into probably social well-being, group experiences,
30:05
Speaker 2: but probably it's missing the level of personalization and the
30:09
Speaker 2: level of precision medicine that I would say that it's
30:16
Speaker 2: pretty characteristic at Shah. So the beautiful challenge is to
30:22
Speaker 2: create the best of both worlds, to create the place
30:25
Speaker 2: where you have this a hyper-personalized journey, but then you
30:31
Speaker 2: have the community, you have the activities, and you have
30:37
Speaker 2: a joyful experience. Because at the end of the day,
30:39
Speaker 2: you have a very limited leisure time and you're investing
30:43
Speaker 2: it on us. You're not only trusting us with your health,
30:46
Speaker 2: you're trusting us with your leisure time. And we want
30:50
Speaker 2: to make sure that it's not just good for your health,
30:54
Speaker 2: but also good for your soul, no? That you end
30:57
Speaker 2: up saying, okay, it was amazing for my health, but
31:00
Speaker 2: it was also a memorable experience, no?
31:03
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
31:04
Speaker 2: Going to the personalization with all experiences so many times
31:10
Speaker 2: going through different doctors and getting different advices. And even
31:15
Speaker 2: the same health institution, how they use us as a
31:20
Speaker 2: CRM and they ask you, so what did the other
31:23
Speaker 2: doctor told you? Oh, he's not right. He forgot this.
31:27
Speaker 2: And we are lost on this scenario, no? And that
31:31
Speaker 2: was one of the things that we were obsessed from
31:35
Speaker 2: the beginning at Shine. We have invested so much from
31:38
Speaker 2: recruitment to training to technology to daily communication, to make
31:43
Speaker 2: sure not only that there is no contradictions in your journey,
31:47
Speaker 2: which it is challenging considering that you are seeing people
31:51
Speaker 2: with very different backgrounds, people from Chinese medicine, people from scientific,
31:57
Speaker 2: from stem cells, from regenerative medicine, but also that we
32:02
Speaker 2: don't ask you the same questions twice. You can go
32:07
Speaker 2: to a follow-up consultation with a nutritionist and then you
32:12
Speaker 2: go straight to the restaurant and the waiter already knows
32:16
Speaker 2: any adjustments that was done five minutes ago on your
32:21
Speaker 2: nutritional recommendations. And that's pretty much the magic on Sha,
32:26
Speaker 2: this level of harmony among all areas.
32:29
Speaker 1: I really loved that piece you're speaking to of Yes,
32:36
Speaker 1: everyone knowing and making the changes and like you don't
32:40
Speaker 1: have to think or engineer anything on your own. And
32:43
Speaker 1: I think that's such a big part of the process,
32:46
Speaker 1: especially if you get to go to Shaw and have
32:50
Speaker 1: an experience like this because the amount of thinking we do,
32:54
Speaker 1: the amount of pressure on our human brains with every
32:59
Speaker 1: single decision, every single day, even having that brain break
33:05
Speaker 1: felt so nourishing to my health. And I think, you know,
33:09
Speaker 1: speaking to all the different modalities, that is definitely one
33:14
Speaker 1: of the most special facets. It's having the merger of
33:20
Speaker 1: all the leading understanding, some of it 3,000 years old,
33:24
Speaker 1: some of it modern science, but applying to you what
33:27
Speaker 1: you uniquely need and then being able to have lightness
33:32
Speaker 1: of being because you're not controlling all of it. You
33:34
Speaker 1: don't have to memorize all of it. You know, one
33:37
Speaker 1: of the great things is too, is when you leave,
33:39
Speaker 1: you have all of your information at your fingertips through
33:42
Speaker 1: your technology and the app. So I can revisit labs.
33:45
Speaker 1: I don't have to make sure I heard everything perfectly
33:48
Speaker 1: while I'm there and I'm making the plan before I leave.
33:51
Speaker 1: Like I have unlimited access to this data. And, you know,
33:57
Speaker 1: the thought about joy, one thing that I've spoken about
34:00
Speaker 1: on this show, and I've had all kinds of different
34:03
Speaker 1: doctors and healers and therapists and facilitators on. And, you know,
34:11
Speaker 1: I think when a lot of people looking to heal
34:14
Speaker 1: even just emotionally, right, or mentally from their life experiences,
34:20
Speaker 1: the thing that most people don't know they don't have
34:25
Speaker 1: in their lives is joy, right? And if you've been
34:29
Speaker 1: through hard things or if you are really, if you've
34:33
Speaker 1: gone through a lot with your health, it's almost impossible
34:37
Speaker 1: to feel joyful. When your body is down, when you're hurting,
34:41
Speaker 1: when you're in pain, you can't hold both. I can't
34:44
Speaker 1: be miserable, barely moving in my inflamed body and feel
34:48
Speaker 1: authentically joyful. And so I think that's one of the,
34:52
Speaker 1: to me, that's one of my biggest engines for wanting
34:55
Speaker 1: to always tend to my health. I love joy. I
34:59
Speaker 1: want joy. I want to share it. I want to
35:01
Speaker 1: feel it. I want to live it. And in the
35:05
Speaker 1: experience with Shaw, it's interesting. And I don't know if
35:07
Speaker 1: this is everyone, but it was my experience I came
35:11
Speaker 1: into Shaw's, I shared with like a lot of grief
35:14
Speaker 1: on my chest and I was very flared up. Like
35:16
Speaker 1: my body was hurting so badly. And so the first
35:20
Speaker 1: three days I was feeling incrementally better health wise. I
35:24
Speaker 1: started sleeping better. The diet was really helping my body.
35:28
Speaker 1: I'm debloating. I'm, you know, feeling structurally a lot more sound.
35:33
Speaker 1: And then I remember it was the morning of day
35:36
Speaker 1: three that I finally felt joy again. And having that
35:41
Speaker 1: spark turn back on, you forget that it's missing. You
35:46
Speaker 1: forget that somehow it turned off and you need to
35:48
Speaker 1: find it. And I remember getting up and the days
35:51
Speaker 1: are very packed, by the way, very packed days. You
35:53
Speaker 1: are getting healed every second. And so I had somewhere
35:57
Speaker 1: to be like right at eight. And I remember I
35:59
Speaker 1: woke up and I opened the blinds and I looked
36:02
Speaker 1: out at the water and I just had like true
36:05
Speaker 1: tears of happiness start to come down my face. And
36:08
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh God, there you are. And
36:11
Speaker 1: there's the, if you follow me on Instagram, you've seen
36:13
Speaker 1: the photos. There's a gorgeous, gorgeous chapel there.
36:19
Speaker 2: Stunning.
36:21
Speaker 1: And I just remember feeling like, oh, it's back. Like
36:24
Speaker 1: my joy is back. Like I feel the health in
36:27
Speaker 1: my body again. I feel the vibrancy. And so I
36:31
Speaker 1: just remember really noticing that And that every appointment I
36:35
Speaker 1: went to that day, it was almost like they were
36:38
Speaker 1: meeting the real me finally. Like they were meeting the
36:40
Speaker 1: me that had joy and curiosity and excitement. And so, yeah,
36:46
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the greatest things that happens
36:48
Speaker 1: in your life when you do focus on your longevity
36:51
Speaker 1: and your health. You can really feel joy inside and
36:55
Speaker 1: be present for how it moves in your life.
36:59
Speaker 2: You know, health, it's an instrument. And the outcome is life.
37:05
Speaker 2: So this is not about ticking all boxes and showing
37:09
Speaker 2: off that we are all biomarkers in green and competing
37:13
Speaker 2: with our peers. This is about designing our future.
37:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:20
Speaker 2: So what does longevity mean to you? How many years
37:25
Speaker 2: do you think you're going to live with your current lifestyle?
37:29
Speaker 2: Then think on I was about to answer.
37:31
Speaker 1: I was going to say, I will be here till 100.
37:33
Speaker 2: 100. You're ambitious, but I like it. But the next
37:39
Speaker 2: one is, if you will guarantee vitality and freedom, how
37:44
Speaker 2: many years you would like to live? Because many people,
37:47
Speaker 2: when they get asked about this, they think on this
37:53
Speaker 2: preconceived idea that we are going to spend the last
37:57
Speaker 2: decade or the last two decades of our life depending
38:01
Speaker 2: on others, not being able to do what we love,
38:03
Speaker 2: not being able to travel, not being able to practice sports.
38:08
Speaker 2: But if I tell you that with 85, 90, 95
38:12
Speaker 2: years old, you can play sports with your grandchildren, you
38:16
Speaker 2: can travel, then of course we all want more of that.
38:20
Speaker 2: And that's, we are designing it today. For many years,
38:24
Speaker 2: we thought that what it was known as anti-age or
38:27
Speaker 2: now as longevity, It was implementing many protocols today and
38:33
Speaker 2: seeing in the best case scenario the outcome in a
38:37
Speaker 2: few years' time, in a few decades. And the outcome
38:40
Speaker 2: we thought was to extend our life. And it isn't
38:45
Speaker 2: about extending our life. It's about more life in our years.
38:51
Speaker 2: And of course, a consequence can be extending our life.
38:55
Speaker 2: But it's not the main goal. The main goal is
38:58
Speaker 2: basically to have more life in our years.
39:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, the quality, right? What is a life well lived
39:10
Speaker 1: to each of us is, I think, how it really
39:13
Speaker 1: kind of expresses itself. What is a life well lived
39:27
Speaker 1: to you?
39:30
Speaker 2: You know, for me, it's basically what health gives you.
39:37
Speaker 2: Health gives you freedom. First, you know, health and longevity
39:42
Speaker 2: starts with the mindset. You know, what are the main
39:46
Speaker 2: predictors of a long life? Human connection. Loving connections, to
39:51
Speaker 2: love others, to feel love. The same way that you
39:54
Speaker 2: have one kid I have three kids. I just had
39:58
Speaker 2: a baby a month ago.
39:59
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
40:00
Speaker 2: Bless.
40:01
Speaker 1: Congratulations.
40:01
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. We're going to baptize her in
40:05
Speaker 2: the chapel that you met in Mexico. Really? Welcome if
40:08
Speaker 2: you want to join us.
40:09
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
40:10
Speaker 2: I'm coming back. So that's life for me. When you're
40:14
Speaker 2: coming from a tough day in the office and you're
40:17
Speaker 2: able to hug your children, that's life. That's the reason
40:23
Speaker 2: why you say, I want to stay healthy.
40:25
Speaker 1: Yeah.
40:25
Speaker 2: To enjoy this for as long as possible. Then purpose,
40:30
Speaker 2: which is the second main factor that affects our longevity.
40:36
Speaker 2: Whatever awakens with passion, with motivation, every morning, that's our engine.
40:43
Speaker 2: Just from the third one, you start with lifestyle factors
40:48
Speaker 2: as sleep, as movement, as nutrition. But I would say
40:54
Speaker 2: that the most important thing about living long is living.
40:59
Speaker 2: Don't forget about living. I do think we have the
41:05
Speaker 2: risk nowadays that, you know, getting so obsessed about longevity
41:10
Speaker 2: that we are like taking so many supplements, implementing so
41:14
Speaker 2: many biohacking protocols and now I have to do this.
41:17
Speaker 2: Oh my God, today I didn't train. Tomorrow I have
41:20
Speaker 2: to do this. I have to... And this needs to
41:23
Speaker 2: be Of course, we need education. We need to learn
41:28
Speaker 2: to reward ourselves with things that are good for our health.
41:32
Speaker 2: And that means re-educating ourselves. But this is not about,
41:36
Speaker 2: you know, if your lifestyle is not liberating and is stressful,
41:43
Speaker 2: then it's misdesigned. So we need to be careful about
41:48
Speaker 2: the world optimization.
41:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
41:51
Speaker 2: This is basically about enjoying life with plenitude. That's what
41:56
Speaker 2: health and longevity is about.
41:59
Speaker 1: I love that quote you just said, if your life
42:01
Speaker 1: is not liberating, it's a poor design. Yeah, there's opportunity.
42:07
Speaker 1: It's really interesting to look at it that way. I'm curious,
42:10
Speaker 1: as a father of three, and I'm a mom of one,
42:12
Speaker 1: so I'm always looking for guidance here. How do you
42:18
Speaker 1: consider the work you do and longevity and health in
42:23
Speaker 1: the lives of children? How do you kind of engineer
42:26
Speaker 1: the lives of the youngest in your family?
42:29
Speaker 2: I would say it's the same thing for kids than
42:35
Speaker 2: for adults. And it's about educating them, developing criteria so
42:42
Speaker 2: they can make the best choices. It's not about saying
42:45
Speaker 2: you cannot have this because as soon as they walk
42:48
Speaker 2: out the door, they will have plenty of that, especially
42:52
Speaker 2: if you say that they shouldn't have it.
42:54
Speaker 1: Sugar is everywhere.
42:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's about explaining. Yes, when they are four
43:01
Speaker 2: or five years old, you can control what they eat,
43:04
Speaker 2: but that changes very soon. Yeah. And then they go
43:06
Speaker 2: out to the real world and you say, okay, you
43:09
Speaker 2: want to have whatever. You want to have Nutella? You
43:12
Speaker 2: want to have this? Yes. I'm just going to explain
43:15
Speaker 2: you what it's on it. That's designed to test well.
43:20
Speaker 2: I understand that you like it. I like the taste
43:22
Speaker 2: as well. But this is the content of that. Yeah.
43:27
Speaker 2: So you can have it. That's good. But think on
43:32
Speaker 2: what it has in it. So they start to train
43:35
Speaker 2: and they start to ask you, is this healthy? What
43:39
Speaker 2: is on it? Yeah. And it's not about getting obsessed. No,
43:44
Speaker 2: I always say 80-20. So at home, I have to
43:49
Speaker 2: say we love eating healthy. I know today we eat
43:53
Speaker 2: very healthy, but I don't know, one day we have
43:56
Speaker 2: Italian night or we have Mexican night. We don't do
44:00
Speaker 2: crazy stuff, no? But it needs to be balanced. Yeah, yeah.
44:07
Speaker 1: I really enjoy that because my son has a very
44:10
Speaker 1: rational mind. He just wants the explanation. And then he'll
44:13
Speaker 1: be like, huh. So I'm going to try that. I'm
44:15
Speaker 1: going to explain it to him. And I'm going to
44:17
Speaker 1: pull up pictures of chemicals and food and stuff and
44:20
Speaker 1: be like, this is what's going inside. Because with our kids,
44:23
Speaker 1: I swear, sometimes my son comes home covered in chocolate.
44:26
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, where have you been? Where did
44:28
Speaker 1: you get this sugar? Yeah.
44:31
Speaker 2: And then, you know, it's about educating them on healthy habits.
44:35
Speaker 2: We've been, for example, practicing meditation with them since they were,
44:39
Speaker 2: I don't know, three years old. And every night, like
44:44
Speaker 2: 9 p.m., we meditate together. And when we forget, they're
44:48
Speaker 2: the one telling us, well, we didn't meditate today or
44:50
Speaker 2: it's time for meditation, no? So you create the habits.
44:55
Speaker 2: We have a small organic farm at home, so... they
44:59
Speaker 2: understand the process, that food doesn't come in a box
45:04
Speaker 2: or in a can, no? So it's okay, let's prepare
45:07
Speaker 2: a smoothie and we go around, we get it, no?
45:09
Speaker 2: So make it fun as well for them.
45:12
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. So you have a
45:17
Speaker 1: location in Mexico, which is the one I went to.
45:19
Speaker 1: You have one in Spain, which I will be going to.
45:23
Speaker 2: Welcome anytime. Thank you.
45:25
Speaker 1: So excited. I actually, so many girlfriends since I got back,
45:30
Speaker 1: I have a couple people that were like, this is
45:32
Speaker 1: what I'm going to do with my husband for my anniversary.
45:34
Speaker 1: And so they booked trips and I'm like so excited
45:37
Speaker 1: for them. Tell me about what you're creating in Abu Dhabi.
45:44
Speaker 2: So we are opening our third property in Abu Dhabi. Actually,
45:48
Speaker 2: it's Abu Dhabi region, but it's located between Dubai and
45:52
Speaker 2: Abu Dhabi on the coastline. It's an island connected to mainland.
45:59
Speaker 2: It's a 30-hectare island. Wow. And it's probably the most
46:05
Speaker 2: ambitious project ever done on healthy living and longevity. In
46:11
Speaker 2: all our projects, we have the health resort component, the clinic,
46:18
Speaker 2: the longevity and wellness clinic component. And then we have
46:23
Speaker 2: the residential components. And it's a concept of wellness residences,
46:28
Speaker 2: which people can acquire. Usually it's people who have it
46:32
Speaker 2: as a second, third, fourth residence. They enjoy it a
46:35
Speaker 2: few months per year. And then they incorporate it when
46:38
Speaker 2: they are not using it to what is known as
46:40
Speaker 2: the rental pool or the property management program. So other
46:45
Speaker 2: guests can rent them and enjoy them. So we do
46:49
Speaker 2: have in Spain and in Mexico... But in the case
46:52
Speaker 2: of Emirates, we have done something much more ambitious. So,
46:56
Speaker 2: besides having a health resort similar size than Shah Mexico
47:01
Speaker 2: or Shah Spain, we have 85 villas around the island
47:06
Speaker 2: and 51 apartments. So, we are creating kind of a,
47:11
Speaker 2: I don't want to use the word blue zone because
47:13
Speaker 2: it's a registered brand, but basically like a long living zone.
47:19
Speaker 2: where we have created different pavilions around the island for sports, nutrition,
47:25
Speaker 2: mind and body therapies, the market. We have six healthy
47:29
Speaker 2: restaurants around the island. In the case of Emirates, over 50%
47:35
Speaker 2: of owners are going to be full-time residents.
47:41
Speaker 1: What a life.
47:43
Speaker 2: Yes.
47:45
Speaker 1: I want to live for my health like that every day.
47:49
Speaker 2: Yes, yes. So basically, it's very interesting because everything has
47:52
Speaker 2: been designed, focused on health and well-being. It's a project
47:57
Speaker 2: that we've been nearly 10 years to make it a reality.
48:02
Speaker 2: and it's going to be finally seeing the light in 2028.
48:05
Speaker 1: Wow, that's so exciting. I am so excited about health,
48:11
Speaker 1: maybe more than most people, but I'm so tickled and
48:13
Speaker 1: excited by it because I think even though we're living
48:16
Speaker 1: in what can feel like such a hard world, especially
48:19
Speaker 1: in this day and age, and a profoundly rapidly changing world,
48:26
Speaker 1: this idea of being able to really understand yourself right?
48:31
Speaker 1: And not just in the way of us, you know,
48:34
Speaker 1: reading the books and doing the therapy, but like to
48:38
Speaker 1: reignite one's intuition in such a primordial way, primal way
48:43
Speaker 1: in your body so that you can hear the information
48:47
Speaker 1: as it's moving. And then now we have so many
48:50
Speaker 1: ways to meet our needs, to learn about ourselves and
48:55
Speaker 1: What are you, I think being a leader in this industry,
48:59
Speaker 1: what are you looking to the future at? What are
49:02
Speaker 1: you thinking is kind of next in this space or
49:05
Speaker 1: what are you excited about?
49:09
Speaker 2: You know, it's really impressive how health has become the
49:13
Speaker 2: main luxury. All relevant sectors are looking at this. direction.
49:21
Speaker 2: Traditional hospitality is looking in that direction. Traditional health is
49:26
Speaker 2: looking in that direction. Luxury brands are looking into that direction.
49:35
Speaker 2: There is lack of regulations. We have seen probably in
49:39
Speaker 2: the last three years a bigger evolution than in the
49:45
Speaker 2: past two decades. And I have to say that probably
49:49
Speaker 2: in the five years to come, the evolution is going
49:51
Speaker 2: to be even bigger. We're going to have, in five years' time,
49:55
Speaker 2: we're going to have at our disposal a diagnosis at
50:00
Speaker 2: our homes, a diagnosis capacity similar than the one that
50:05
Speaker 2: a hospital has nowadays. I would say that the main
50:10
Speaker 2: challenge is the lack of physicians, especially physicians that are
50:16
Speaker 2: trained in functional medicine. So we do have a shortfall.
50:20
Speaker 2: The number of people who are ill are growing much
50:23
Speaker 2: faster than the number of physicians. I would say that
50:27
Speaker 2: this inflection point is arriving on the right moments. And
50:33
Speaker 2: it will only work if conventional medicine embraces it. this
50:39
Speaker 2: movement we are spending 11 of the global gdp on
50:44
Speaker 2: health and we are being inefficient so the quality of
50:50
Speaker 2: medicine unfortunately is going down people doesn't have time you
50:54
Speaker 2: go to a doctor you wait three months for the
50:57
Speaker 2: consultation and they they can only invest a few minutes
51:00
Speaker 2: on you right so They cannot ask you about your lifestyle.
51:04
Speaker 2: They cannot listen to what you feel or you don't feel, no?
51:09
Speaker 2: And yes, AI can help a lot, but AI is
51:12
Speaker 2: not going to substitute a doctor. A health brand, a
51:18
Speaker 2: health institution, or a doctor that doesn't embrace AI is
51:22
Speaker 2: going to get substituted. So the success will come from
51:29
Speaker 2: the union of both. At the end of the day,
51:32
Speaker 2: Proactive medicine is predictive medicine. It's being able to see, okay,
51:39
Speaker 2: based on your data, I am able to make a
51:43
Speaker 2: prediction on how you're going to be if you don't
51:47
Speaker 2: implement any changes or if you implement those changes. I
51:51
Speaker 2: don't know if you heard, for example, about the digital twin. Nowadays,
51:56
Speaker 2: they're able to replicate around 50% of your organs on
52:00
Speaker 2: a digital twin. And the expectation is that in five years' time,
52:05
Speaker 2: they're going to be able to replicate nearly 100% of
52:08
Speaker 2: your organs on a digital twin.
52:10
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
52:12
Speaker 2: So basically, it's having a digital you when they're going
52:17
Speaker 2: to be able to experiment and predict what happens if
52:24
Speaker 2: we give you this treatment, what happens if we do
52:26
Speaker 2: this intervention, what happens if you change your lifestyle this way.
52:31
Speaker 2: and have with a nearly 100% accuracy, how that is
52:35
Speaker 2: going to impact you. So it's interesting nowadays. Wow. We
52:41
Speaker 2: see two types of doctors. The doctor that you go
52:45
Speaker 2: and you say, oh, look, you know, I've put it my,
52:47
Speaker 2: I don't know, my blood marker and my chat GPT
52:52
Speaker 2: and it told me this. And you have the type
52:54
Speaker 2: of conservative doctors who doesn't like this.
52:57
Speaker 1: Right.
52:58
Speaker 2: I say, what the hell? What are you telling me
52:59
Speaker 2: about chat GPT? take out that, you know?
53:03
Speaker 1: Right.
53:04
Speaker 2: And the others that they see it as an advantage
53:07
Speaker 2: because it's saving them time. Allow me to see it.
53:13
Speaker 2: Let's see it together.
53:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
53:15
Speaker 2: And allows me to be more sniper, to be more precise.
53:19
Speaker 2: So that's basically the way that I see medicine in
53:23
Speaker 2: the future. How biomarker testing in home test kits, health
53:30
Speaker 2: wearable devices, AI can give you all the information that
53:36
Speaker 2: then it can be processed by a expert physician to
53:40
Speaker 2: make a better use of their time processing all this
53:44
Speaker 2: information and being able to be much more precise, much
53:49
Speaker 2: more sniper on what you need.
53:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow. A digital twin? That is wild. We are
54:00
Speaker 1: living in the future. It's like the Jetsons are here.
54:03
Speaker 1: Everything growing up that you're like, yeah, when would that happen?
54:07
Speaker 1: It's here.
54:08
Speaker 2: It's here.
54:08
Speaker 1: That's remarkable, though.
54:10
Speaker 2: You know, most of longevity-leading voices think that in the
54:18
Speaker 2: next five years, we are going to see. Nowadays, there
54:23
Speaker 2: isn't any reason. pharmacological product capable of reducing our biological
54:33
Speaker 2: age you have nutritional supplements that can improve biomarkers that
54:41
Speaker 2: are related to aging but there isn't any product nowadays
54:48
Speaker 2: that has clinical evidence on humans to basically reduce our
54:54
Speaker 2: biological age The expectation is that's going to appear the
54:59
Speaker 2: next five years. There are some that are on clinical trial,
55:04
Speaker 2: mainly on animals like ramp up the scene. So that
55:10
Speaker 2: anyway is not going to replace the foundation that it's
55:13
Speaker 2: our lifestyle. Yeah. Human connections, purpose, stress mitigation, movement, recovery
55:23
Speaker 2: and sleep. nutrition. That's irreplaceable. The point everyone is looking for,
55:30
Speaker 2: the magic pill, we tend to overestimate what a pill,
55:34
Speaker 2: what a treatment, what a technology can do for our health.
55:38
Speaker 2: And we tend to subestimate what us on the decisions
55:43
Speaker 2: that we make on our daily basis, we can do
55:47
Speaker 2: for our health.
55:47
Speaker 1: Yeah. God, that's so true. That's so true. And a
55:52
Speaker 1: beautiful blend of all is great.
55:55
Speaker 2: Wow.
55:57
Speaker 1: I'm so inspired. I'm so inspired. And just like what
56:01
Speaker 1: a beautiful purpose and mission to have. Truly, truly. And
56:07
Speaker 1: for your father to have had the courage to heal
56:11
Speaker 1: himself in a time where everyone is probably like, that's
56:15
Speaker 1: woo woo. That's crazy. That's ridiculous. You know, to do
56:19
Speaker 1: it and to regain his life and his health and,
56:22
Speaker 1: you know, for each of you to apply and take
56:26
Speaker 1: it even farther. It's just, it's a big mission.
56:29
Speaker 2: It's a big mission. We feel very, very thankful to
56:32
Speaker 2: be able to, to have this mission in our lives.
56:35
Speaker 2: My parents, they are under late seventies and they really
56:41
Speaker 2: preach what, what they, they really live what they preach,
56:44
Speaker 2: you know, they exercise on a daily basis. They, enjoy life,
56:48
Speaker 2: they eat healthy. I would love you to meet them
56:51
Speaker 2: at some point. They are the best example of what
56:53
Speaker 2: you can do.
56:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so incredibly inspiring. And I know so many
57:00
Speaker 1: listening have an understanding of complex pain or just the
57:05
Speaker 1: effect of emotions and life on the body and how
57:09
Speaker 1: that can bring disease or any other conditions. And I
57:11
Speaker 1: think I'm very excited to share this episode with everyone
57:15
Speaker 1: because I I light up with it. You know, this
57:18
Speaker 1: idea that you can play a bigger role in your health,
57:22
Speaker 1: that you can participate with your life in a way
57:26
Speaker 1: that really expands your well-being and your legacy, right? Because
57:30
Speaker 1: when you're healthy, mentally, emotionally, you're treating everyone around you better.
57:37
Speaker 1: and able to just give so much more of yourself.
57:39
Speaker 1: And I think that's like one of the deepest layers
57:42
Speaker 1: of why, aside from the obvious, having good health is
57:45
Speaker 1: so important for us as people.
57:47
Speaker 2: I would say that everyone who has access to this information,
57:54
Speaker 2: they should have really the commitment to share with others,
57:58
Speaker 2: to create a healthier world. Of course, we have a
58:01
Speaker 2: generational legacy to educate. If you think what I would
58:05
Speaker 2: love to leave My children, self-care will be on top
58:10
Speaker 2: of that, together with faith, no? The rest can come, no?
58:17
Speaker 2: But to be able to take care of yourself and
58:19
Speaker 2: have the tools to do so, so to do it
58:24
Speaker 2: in your organization, to do it in your family, to
58:26
Speaker 2: multiply this. Yeah.
58:30
Speaker 1: Oh, so beautiful.
58:31
Speaker 2: Okay.
58:32
Speaker 1: As we, as we wrap up this show, Alejandro, I
58:35
Speaker 1: would love to ask, we ask each guest to leave
58:39
Speaker 1: what we call soul work with the audience at the
58:41
Speaker 1: end of the show. So it can be a practice,
58:44
Speaker 1: a thought starter, a bit of advice or expertise, but
58:48
Speaker 1: something that everyone, as we close this episode can really
58:52
Speaker 1: sit with them and they can think about for the
58:54
Speaker 1: rest of the day.
58:55
Speaker 2: Okay um so something that has been for me transformative
59:03
Speaker 2: is start every day with sunlight and meditation. It's like
59:13
Speaker 2: me time, no? So I always really like to take
59:20
Speaker 2: advantage of that time wherever I am. In my case,
59:25
Speaker 2: I do have big faith. So basically it's about gratitude.
59:32
Speaker 2: It's about investing some time to our creator, looking at
59:37
Speaker 2: the creation, enjoying the sun, the nature, wherever you are.
59:42
Speaker 2: It's difficult to have a bad day after that. It's
59:46
Speaker 2: really a very transformative habit.
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Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, that is definitely close to my
59:52
Speaker 1: heart in the way I believe we should start our
59:56
Speaker 1: days as well. Thank you so much for joining us
59:59
Speaker 1: on the show.
59:59
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Debbie. What an honor to meet you,
1:00:02
Speaker 2: and thank you for this beautiful level of love of
1:00:06
Speaker 2: sharing through this podcast. Thank you.
1:00:09
Speaker 1: My absolute pleasure. Thank you for your work. Shaw Wellness, everyone.
1:00:14
Speaker 1: please take some time to really look it up. I
1:00:16
Speaker 1: think that it could be an experience that is just
1:00:21
Speaker 1: so expansive and life-changing for you, for your family, for
1:00:25
Speaker 1: everyone to come and all the things. But I think
1:00:28
Speaker 1: if nothing else, like, you know, really sink into the
1:00:31
Speaker 1: understanding health truly is wealth, you know, and what kind
1:00:36
Speaker 1: of life do you really want to live? How well
1:00:41
Speaker 1: lived can it be? Um, And where can that go
1:00:45
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1:00:48
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