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Did mommy live-chat her two murdered tots to Dad for revenge? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. She allegedly killed her
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Speaker 1: two toddlers and showed the gruesome scene to the baby's
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Speaker 1: father on a video call. It was like a real
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Speaker 1: horrid mole. I mean it was a Friday. Neighbors told
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Speaker 1: me the apartment smelled like death, a smell indicating the
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Speaker 1: bodies may have been there for a few days. This
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Speaker 1: was something that we saw could possibly happen. She's had
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Speaker 1: issues from a baby. Williams told police she left the
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Speaker 1: kids with a relative around noon and returned home late
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Speaker 1: in the evening to find the one and two year
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Speaker 1: old dead. Police say that's not true. Two little children
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Speaker 1: are dead, two brothers, two little boys. Mommy Lamara Williams
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Speaker 1: leaves her three sons with her cousin who's very close
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Speaker 1: to her. She comes home, two of the babies are dead.
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Speaker 1: Neighbors say they don't believe that is what happened at all.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now at the courthouse, Daniel Wilkerson from
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Speaker 1: CBS for six. Daniel, Let's start at the beginning. What
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Speaker 1: does mommy say happened. The mother said that she left
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Speaker 1: the kids at home with the closest family member. Police
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Speaker 1: are not buying that. They do not believe that is
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Speaker 1: what happened. Um. We do know that the two kids
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Speaker 1: who died, ages one and two, uh died with injuries
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Speaker 1: they had burned to their body. We know that police
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Speaker 1: took away a stove as evident and something went tragically
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Speaker 1: wrong in the town too. Joseph's got Morgan death investigator
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Speaker 1: joining me today. Professor of Forensics at Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, thanks so much for being with us today.
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Speaker 1: Neighbor said the home smelled like death. Now, I gotta
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Speaker 1: say from being at a lot of homicide scenes, a
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Speaker 1: lot of dead body scenes, a lot of autopsies, I
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Speaker 1: know that that that smell. It's something you never forget.
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Speaker 1: For instance, when you see a movie and somebody gets
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Speaker 1: sick and throws up, are they cover their nose in
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Speaker 1: their mouth with materialists? And it's an involuntary instinct. When
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Speaker 1: you smell that smell, there's nothing like it. Let me
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Speaker 1: ask you this, what does that smell indicate to you? Forensically?
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Speaker 1: To me, when someone says the smell of death, automatically
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Speaker 1: my mind flees to things like decomposition and that sort
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Speaker 1: of thing. But what we might be dealing with here
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Speaker 1: is is an environment that is not habitable or is
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Speaker 1: not clean, is dirty. It's foul. And also also if
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Speaker 1: there are burned injuries that have taken place in this house, uh,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have that residual odor in the air. And
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Speaker 1: most human beings are not used to smelling that smell,
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Speaker 1: and so that can be quite off putting. Two little children,
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Speaker 1: a one year old and a two year old nicknames
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Speaker 1: Jack and Key. Two little boys are dead, one year
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Speaker 1: old and two year old. It's it's overwhelming to me.
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Speaker 1: Back out to Daniel Wilkerson's CBS forty six at the
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Speaker 1: courthouse right now, Daniel, what can you tell me about
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Speaker 1: photos or videos? Yeah, apparently the mother after this happened.
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Speaker 1: Report at least sent or called the father, the father
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Speaker 1: of the children by face time and showed him the
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Speaker 1: crime scene. And so, I mean, that's just unthinkable within itself.
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Speaker 1: And he saw the father saw the dead bodies during
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Speaker 1: that big time. Oh stars, whoa, whoa, Daniel Wilkerson, CBS
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Speaker 1: forty six, you're telling me the father of the two
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Speaker 1: toddler boys says the mother shared live video of the
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Speaker 1: crime scene with their dead bodies there. That pen is
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Speaker 1: his name. That he learns his boys were in trouble.
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Speaker 1: When mommy calls him on video chat and pans the room,
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Speaker 1: he sees his sons on the floor, and my understanding correctly,
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Speaker 1: damn time, hold on, hold on, wait a minute, Alan,
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Speaker 1: do you joining me out of l A. I understand
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Speaker 1: that you have found the dad giving reaction his response
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Speaker 1: to what happened. Please roll it for me, Alan. It
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Speaker 1: was like a real horror movie. I mean, it was
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Speaker 1: a Friday the thirteen when I seen my kid, had
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Speaker 1: seen my kid then when I knew what we're going on,
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Speaker 1: called a tam and my world everything I'm loves. I
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Speaker 1: ain't got no soul in the movie. What I'm understanding
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Speaker 1: from Daniel Wilkerson is that the two little boys are
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Speaker 1: dead and the mom comes in and instead of calling
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Speaker 1: nine one one or attempting CPR anything like that, John Limley,
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter, she instead chooses to video stream
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Speaker 1: to live chat with the dad to show him the
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Speaker 1: dead bodies. Is that right, John Limley, That's exactly what
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Speaker 1: we're hearing. But according to a longtime friend Nissa Smith,
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Speaker 1: she says that that wasn't her first call. That wasn't
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Speaker 1: nine one one that she called her and told her
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Speaker 1: that the boys were dead. And Nissa Smith says called
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Speaker 1: the police more just called the police, and Williams was
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Speaker 1: arrested and charged with the murder after her two young children,
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Speaker 1: again ages one and two, were found dead inside that
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Speaker 1: southwest Atlanta home. I don't understand, h Daniel Wilkerson joining
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Speaker 1: me from CBS forty six, How neighbors and family can
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Speaker 1: all know that's something horrible is happening to children and
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Speaker 1: they don't do anything about it. Because these burn marks
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Speaker 1: on these little boys apparently they weren't all new, which
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Speaker 1: means they had been around. Uh, they've been burned in
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Speaker 1: the past, and nobody did anything about it. Neighbors that
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Speaker 1: the mother, according to them, had a history of leaving
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Speaker 1: the children at home by themselves. Again, in this particular story,
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Speaker 1: she said that she left him with the family member
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Speaker 1: for eleven hours. There's things to have been some kind
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Speaker 1: of history there. The mother quit a job about a
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Speaker 1: month ago because she could not find a babysitter for
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Speaker 1: all of her children. Every mom that I know of,
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Speaker 1: it gets completely overwhelmed, especially if you're a working mother.
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Speaker 1: It's just I don't know how it gets that way.
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Speaker 1: To Dr Tiffany Sanders joining us, but somehow it's all
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Speaker 1: on the mom, or at least that's the perception. The
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Speaker 1: working They bringing home a paycheck, the claiming, the cooking,
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Speaker 1: the children, the everything. I don't know how it gets
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Speaker 1: that way. How does it get that way, Tiffany? You know,
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Speaker 1: women are socialized to be superheroes, you know, superwoman taking
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Speaker 1: care of everyone, being the taxicab driver, the nurse, the doctor,
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Speaker 1: the lawyer, the babysitter, the teacher. You know, we're socialized
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Speaker 1: to have all these roles and responsibilities. But this was
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Speaker 1: a young mom and she likely didn't have as much
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Speaker 1: resources to manage, you know, three four children, and as
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Speaker 1: a result, and many of the kids were young once
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Speaker 1: or two three years of age. So you've got kids
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Speaker 1: and diapers, you have kids crying, you have kids hungry,
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Speaker 1: you have kids that are needing educational needs. And it
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Speaker 1: was just probably overwhelming for her. And she could have
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Speaker 1: also been suffering from postpartum depression with psychosis. We do
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Speaker 1: not know. Her family has suggested that she has a
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Speaker 1: history of mental illness, but she was never diagnosed. So
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Speaker 1: we failed her. The system old her, and as a result,
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Speaker 1: we have two dead children. And I completely disagree with that.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. The system didn't burn the babies with
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Speaker 1: the stove. Okay, By overwhelmed, I mean that you cry,
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Speaker 1: you are tired. You maybe she spanked the children, yell,
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Speaker 1: carry on, But burning the children with a stove, that's
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Speaker 1: not overwhelmed. That is a felony. That is a felony.
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Speaker 1: Aggravated assault or even aggravated battery and then killing them
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Speaker 1: and live chatting it with the children's dad, that is
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Speaker 1: not overwhelmed. Joe Scott Morgan, what did these children live through?
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Speaker 1: Let's get a little reality check here. Tell you this, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: whatever is going on, this is what we're gonna know
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Speaker 1: when these young little angels who have been died, who
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Speaker 1: have been killed, Okay, apparently they didn't just spontaneously die,
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Speaker 1: their bodies are gonna be the early examined at the
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Speaker 1: medical examler's office. And what's going to happen is these
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Speaker 1: injuries that they have sustained, these wounds are going to
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Speaker 1: be aged. That means that we're gonna go back in
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Speaker 1: time and begin to paint a picture forensically of how
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Speaker 1: old these injuries are. How long have these children been enduring,
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Speaker 1: enduring this pure hell moving forward until the final act
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Speaker 1: of their life. One of the things that was asked
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Speaker 1: at the scene was how does a one year old
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Speaker 1: and a two year old get in a hot stove?
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Speaker 1: How does that happen? Daniel? What do we know about
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Speaker 1: cause of death? Daniel? We just know that the children
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Speaker 1: were found with burns on them. Um, they took away
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Speaker 1: that stove, so undoubtedly it played some kind of role
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Speaker 1: there if they took it out. I mean, um, I
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Speaker 1: guess they called the devil. You know. Have to be
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Speaker 1: determined and joining me is Dr Tiffany Sanders, psychologist, Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, friends expert death scene investigator. Uh professor at
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, John Linley Crime Stories investigative reporter, and
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Speaker 1: Daniel Wilkerson from CBS forty six. Daniel, at this juncture,
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Speaker 1: the mother has been taken into custody. What do we
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Speaker 1: know about anything she may have said after her two
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Speaker 1: little boys, ages one and two, were found dead with
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Speaker 1: alleged evidence of burns on their bodies. We did you
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Speaker 1: know she placed that that that that called that FaceTime
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Speaker 1: call um. So that makes us think that some kind
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Speaker 1: of way, maybe she was trying to get back at
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Speaker 1: the father. That's what the grandfather of the children the legend. Uh.
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Speaker 1: He made the statement that, hey, if you want to
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Speaker 1: get back at somebody, you don't involve children in this way.
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Speaker 1: And so wait a minute, wait a minute, that's the
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Speaker 1: first time hearing of a get back. Dr Tiffany Sanders
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Speaker 1: psychologists joining me. You're all about she's overwhelmed, she's got postpartum.
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Speaker 1: But her relative say it was a get back at
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Speaker 1: the dad. That's not postpartum. That's called revenge. Well, that
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Speaker 1: may be revenge, but why would she be trying to
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Speaker 1: get back at the father because she was abandoned? Because
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Speaker 1: I don't know that she had no help under two
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Speaker 1: years of a. She a young twenty four year old,
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Speaker 1: a mother of three children, and they're all under three
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Speaker 1: years of a. She likely was stressed, overwhelmed, and she
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Speaker 1: was depleted of resources, and so she probably not thinking
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Speaker 1: very clearly delusional, having a psychotic episode. She didn't wait wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: isn't it true, John Lemley that she called one of
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Speaker 1: her girlfriends first told them what she had done. Then
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Speaker 1: she calls the the boyfriend, the husband, the dad, shows
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Speaker 1: him the dead bodies. That doesn't sound crazy to me.
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Speaker 1: And then you've got a relative saying if she wanted
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Speaker 1: to get back at him, she shouldn't have involved the children.
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Speaker 1: And it's very interesting that this was a video call,
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Speaker 1: a a FaceTime called, so that she could actually owed
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Speaker 1: the father the two dead children. They're on the floor.
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Speaker 1: This is really sort of playing into the fact that
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Speaker 1: you know, she was looking to show evidence that this
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Speaker 1: really had happened. That doesn't sound insane to me if
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Speaker 1: you are sending, if you're live chatting and you're showing
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Speaker 1: somebody the scene. There was a three year old boy
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Speaker 1: in the home unharmed. The husband is the same dad
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Speaker 1: to all three of the children. It's the same dab
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Speaker 1: so she targeted two of the children, allegedly kill them
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Speaker 1: and face time their bodies to the husband the dad.
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Speaker 1: That's what we know right now, Daniel Wilkerson. When when
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Speaker 1: we get the autopsy report, it usually we will get
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Speaker 1: one laminary uh here within the day or so. M
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Speaker 1: fourth of the full autopsy usually take a lot longer
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Speaker 1: than that. Um, so we just have to see how
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Speaker 1: it plays out. Daniel Wilkinson from CBS Art six. He's
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Speaker 1: now Live to Richardson, Texas. A little girl has gone
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Speaker 1: missing from her home. Her name Sharon, and she's absolutely beautiful,
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Speaker 1: and according to police, her father, Wesley Matthews, sends his
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Speaker 1: daughter and her pj's at three a m to stand
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Speaker 1: alone beneath a tree across an alley from the home
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Speaker 1: as punishment for refusing to drink milk. Okay, let me
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Speaker 1: let that so ken all right with me? From Crime
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Speaker 1: Online investigative reporter Lee Egan. Lee, Do I have this right?
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Speaker 1: The dad, Wesley Matthews, tells police that he sends the
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Speaker 1: little girl in her pj's at three a m. Across
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Speaker 1: the street to stand under a tree as punishment for
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Speaker 1: not drinking milk. You have that absolutely right. And it's
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Speaker 1: a story that not many people are buying. I don't
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Speaker 1: even think the police are buying it. But of course
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Speaker 1: they're being really tight lipped about this one because they're
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Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. They're not giving us too
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Speaker 1: much information. The latest we have is that at some
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Speaker 1: point the police have reason to believe the family suv
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Speaker 1: left their home are on four a m. The same
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Speaker 1: morning that the little girl disappeared. Okay, hold on, let
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Speaker 1: me process what you're saying that an suv left the
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Speaker 1: home around the same time the little girl disappears with
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Speaker 1: me Psychologist Dr Tiffany Sanders. First of all, before I
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Speaker 1: get to the suv, which is really the only clue
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Speaker 1: we have right now, Dr Sanders, forcing your child to
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Speaker 1: stand outside this punishment at three a m. Well, I've
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Speaker 1: never heard of anything like that. I've never is pure
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Speaker 1: of you. It's child abuse. It there's no parenting book
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Speaker 1: that would support that, even uh that parenting practice to
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Speaker 1: wake your kid up and to forcibly have them stand outside.
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Speaker 1: This young girl had limited communication skills. She had, she
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Speaker 1: came from an abandoned family in India. She's already probably confused, disoriented,
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Speaker 1: and frightened. The father should be ashamed of himself for
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Speaker 1: even putting his daughter in that predicament. And I agree
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Speaker 1: there's something else going on with this. This family. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's something going wrong, going wrong. It's called felony child abuse.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just going with forcing the child outside at
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Speaker 1: three am at great risk to her safety as inter pjs,
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Speaker 1: as punishment for not drinking her milk. This little baby,
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Speaker 1: just Scott Morgan, was adopted and she's been through enough
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Speaker 1: already to land in the hands of these two, the
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Speaker 1: mother and the dad. And you know what, I blame
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Speaker 1: the mom too. If the dad forces the baby out
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Speaker 1: at three a m. As punishment for not drinking ilk,
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Speaker 1: you know what that mother should be kicking the dad
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Speaker 1: out of the house or taking the baby and left
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Speaker 1: herself somewhere saved for the baby. That is not how
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Speaker 1: to treat a child. She's just as much at fault
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Speaker 1: as he is, if these facts are true. Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Yes she is. And just just imagine, if you can,
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Speaker 1: just for a moment, a little three year old child
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Speaker 1: in her pj's sentenced to stand by this person that's
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Speaker 1: the custodial parent that is forced to stand outside in
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Speaker 1: the dark. I mean, I think we all remember how
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Speaker 1: terrified we were of the dark when we were that age.
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Speaker 1: And she's in her PJS and no one's out there
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Speaker 1: with her three a m Nancy, And so yeah, it
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Speaker 1: paints it paints a very grim picture, to say the
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Speaker 1: very least. You do know that this area is infested
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Speaker 1: with coyotes, Joseph Scott Morgan. Yeah, and that's uh, that's
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Speaker 1: that's another issue here because at this point we don't
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Speaker 1: know where this little girl is, do we, And there's
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Speaker 1: there's there's a limited number of possibilities where she could be.
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Speaker 1: And then you begin to think about that there might
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Speaker 1: be scavengers, predators in the area. And it's not just
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Speaker 1: animals we have to worry about either, Nancy, what about
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Speaker 1: other people, strangers? That sort of thing. An Amber alert
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Speaker 1: issue for missing three year old Sharon Matthews. She's been
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Speaker 1: adopted from India, makes her way here to Texas, only
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Speaker 1: to go missing under horrible circumstances. Now we have the
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Speaker 1: issue of the mystery suv. And another thing that's driving
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Speaker 1: me crazy is the dad is out. He's not even
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Speaker 1: behind bars on child endangerment or child abuse? Is that
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Speaker 1: right with me? Alan Duke? Alan, why is he out
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Speaker 1: of jail and why is the mom out of jail?
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Speaker 1: I don't get it. I can't really answer that I
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Speaker 1: guess they're doing the investigation. They don't know where the
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Speaker 1: child is. They probably just can't make a case. Yet.
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Speaker 1: We've seen this many times when they think they know
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Speaker 1: who did something, but they just know they have to
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Speaker 1: wait and watch them. I'm sure they're watching them, you
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Speaker 1: know what. I disagree with that because I have seen
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Speaker 1: plenty of cases, much less when a baby is missing
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Speaker 1: and the dad had himself says, oh yeah, I sent
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Speaker 1: him outside at three a m. And R Pj's as
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Speaker 1: punishment for not drinking milk. He needs to be in jail,
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Speaker 1: and so does the mother. And I don't know what
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Speaker 1: moron lets this guy go, but you can tell him,
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Speaker 1: I said, there more on because who other than this
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Speaker 1: North Texas dad allegedly leaves his missing three year old
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Speaker 1: little girl near an alley wrought infested with coyotes as punishment.
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Speaker 1: I mean the other night, Um, I saw it was
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Speaker 1: late at night. I was checking on my mom in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the night, look out the winter and
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Speaker 1: I see two a fox in the backyard. Well, there
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Speaker 1: is no way I would even let the dog go
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Speaker 1: out there. When I got the dog, Um, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: they told me at the pound he was a mini
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Speaker 1: docks and I don't know what he is. He's a mutt.
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Speaker 1: He's a thoroughbred mutt, That's what he is. But I
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Speaker 1: would there's no way even let the dog go outside. Ever,
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Speaker 1: now that I know that there are foxes out there,
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Speaker 1: forget it. And they sent this little baby, a baby
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Speaker 1: girl outside when they're they know it's invested with hold on,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott dontor Tiffany Sanders. You go through so much
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Speaker 1: trouble to adopt a baby. You know what I want
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Speaker 1: that baby. I would love to have another baby. Are
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Speaker 1: you gonna do all that to get the baby to
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Speaker 1: mistreat the baby exactly? It doesn't make any sense. And
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Nancy. The mother should be held liable.
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Speaker 1: It's just you put the child in danger at three
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Speaker 1: a m. Why is the child up at three am
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Speaker 1: having milk? Anyway? If the child has a history of
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Speaker 1: eating difficulties, which is outlined um in some reports, why
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Speaker 1: are we forcing her to try to eat and drink
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Speaker 1: at three a m. Work with a behavioral therapist, come
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Speaker 1: up with a solution to parents the child what she
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Speaker 1: wasn't hungry? How about that? I don't need a therapist
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Speaker 1: to tell me that it's she probably wasn't hungry. She
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Speaker 1: probably was ready to go back to sleep at three am.
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Speaker 1: Who wants to be drinking and eating at three am,
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Speaker 1: not I. So the practices of this father are suspect.
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Speaker 1: He likely, I'm suspecting, did something um to this young
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Speaker 1: girl who had, you know, just as innocent as ever,
21:10
Speaker 1: and she came to this country with hope that this
21:12
Speaker 1: family was going to love and protect her, and they
21:15
Speaker 1: let her down to Kieren Smith forensic expert joining us.
21:18
Speaker 1: What clues, if any, forensically could be glean now, probably
21:22
Speaker 1: not a whole lot, because the dad's walking free. Well,
21:25
Speaker 1: he can go destroy any evidence he wants to exactly,
21:28
Speaker 1: and on its face, this doesn't seem like a forensics
21:30
Speaker 1: case until we dig a little deeper. So first we're
21:32
Speaker 1: dealing with the suv. They probably pulled the computer chip
21:35
Speaker 1: and found out that it left the house for an
21:37
Speaker 1: hour after she went missing. Clue number one, nobody stole it.
21:41
Speaker 1: It was returned to the house, So they're not gonna
21:42
Speaker 1: find any foreign DNA or fingerprints on the car. It
21:45
Speaker 1: belongs to the family. That's what they're gonna find. Second
21:48
Speaker 1: of all, the father said that he waited fifteen minutes,
21:52
Speaker 1: went outside. The little girl was missing. So he went
21:55
Speaker 1: in and what did he do? Laundry clue phone. Let's
22:00
Speaker 1: bring out the A l S, the alternate light source.
22:02
Speaker 1: Let's bring out some chemical enhancers for some of the laundry.
22:05
Speaker 1: This is called crime scene staging. He had five hours
22:09
Speaker 1: to stage that house before he called police. Let's look
22:13
Speaker 1: at the clothes, Let's look at her bedroom, look at
22:15
Speaker 1: the living room, Let's look at the suv and find
22:17
Speaker 1: out if there's any clues about nefarious actions with this
22:21
Speaker 1: little girl. There is a lot of forensics to be done. Uh,
22:25
Speaker 1: and I'm hoping that that's what they're doing in the
22:27
Speaker 1: meantime while they're searching for this little Now what I
22:29
Speaker 1: want to go through the timeline with you, Karen Smith,
22:31
Speaker 1: forensics expert, joining me, um, because even now, I just
22:37
Speaker 1: I'm still flawmost that anybody would let this dat or
22:41
Speaker 1: this mom frankly be free because they can destroy a
22:45
Speaker 1: crime scene. But let's let's just go with what we know.
22:49
Speaker 1: I want to first talk about what needs to be
22:51
Speaker 1: done right now, just in case the cops are listening.
22:54
Speaker 1: Number One, process the crime scene as if a homicide
22:59
Speaker 1: had a curd That means luminal. That means all sorts
23:03
Speaker 1: of testing. That means going through the laundry, going through
23:06
Speaker 1: the bathroom drains, going through the sink drains, everything to
23:09
Speaker 1: look for blood or evidence, fingerprints, bloody fingerprints. Karen Smith,
23:13
Speaker 1: what do they need to be doing right now? The
23:16
Speaker 1: first thing they need to do is process that car,
23:18
Speaker 1: which they've done. I'm hoping that they use some chemical enhancers,
23:22
Speaker 1: perhaps luminal or some other uh other enhanced methods to
23:26
Speaker 1: find any kind of saliva. If you know. I hate
23:30
Speaker 1: talking about this because it means that something bad has happened,
23:32
Speaker 1: But we have a missing girl and we have to
23:34
Speaker 1: go down that path, which is really unfortunate. They need
23:37
Speaker 1: to look at the clothes that were in the laundry.
23:39
Speaker 1: If he's washing clothes immediately following a disappearance of a child,
23:44
Speaker 1: there's something there. And as we've talked about in the past, Nancy,
23:47
Speaker 1: you can't get rid of everything with laundry detergent. You
23:49
Speaker 1: can get rid of some things, but there may be
23:52
Speaker 1: something left in that laundry, in that washing machine, or
23:55
Speaker 1: on the clothes that we're in the laundry. And one
23:58
Speaker 1: of the things that you and I worked on were
24:01
Speaker 1: re enactments on the Crispine murder case where his mother
24:04
Speaker 1: was found blood and dead in the garage, and the
24:08
Speaker 1: uh the victim's blood was found upstairs in a guest
24:14
Speaker 1: bathroom drain, which meant to me the killer had time
24:17
Speaker 1: to kick back and have a bath upstairs, not concerned
24:20
Speaker 1: they would be caught. And that's why I'm saying the
24:22
Speaker 1: drains in the bathroom and the kitchen looking for blood.
24:26
Speaker 1: But I got a question for you, too, Joseph Scott Morgan,
24:29
Speaker 1: Professor forensics at Jacksonville State University. If there were a
24:33
Speaker 1: dead body, and this is not a murder case yet
24:36
Speaker 1: in the car, shouldn't they bring cadaver dogs to the car?
24:39
Speaker 1: Should we have cadaver dogs on the scene right now? Yeah? Yeah,
24:42
Speaker 1: I believe that they should, and certainly using using the
24:46
Speaker 1: house as the principal scene or the primary scene, and
24:49
Speaker 1: and kind of working eccentrically out from the house, using
24:52
Speaker 1: these dogs to sweep this area. It looks like there's
24:55
Speaker 1: kind of a big open area immediately behind the fencing.
24:58
Speaker 1: When I saw the photos of the house, I want
25:00
Speaker 1: to search that area out there. He could not have
25:02
Speaker 1: gone very very far away uh, from that location, hopefully not.
25:06
Speaker 1: Why do you keep saying that? Why do you keep
25:08
Speaker 1: pretending that she was left outside and that she's been
25:12
Speaker 1: dragged off by coyote? I mean, come on, can somebody
25:16
Speaker 1: help me out here and get real, Joe Scott, let's
25:18
Speaker 1: talk about reality. The dad admits he puts the baby outside,
25:22
Speaker 1: He looks back at fifteen minutes and she's gone. So
25:25
Speaker 1: you're telling me you want me to pretend that end
25:28
Speaker 1: that what fourteen minute window, coyotes drag her off like
25:33
Speaker 1: the Dingo story, which actually turned out to be true.
25:36
Speaker 1: But do you want me to believe that's what happened
25:38
Speaker 1: or in that fifteen minutes at three a n a
25:40
Speaker 1: kidnapper came by and took the girl. I gotta tell you,
25:43
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't believe anything from a man that
25:46
Speaker 1: is telling me he put a three year old outside
25:48
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night as punishment. I'm not
25:52
Speaker 1: buying that. So I'm gonna look as an investigator. I'm
25:55
Speaker 1: gonna look at every possible scenario here, and if he
25:59
Speaker 1: put that child in the car and took her away,
26:01
Speaker 1: or walked her off into the night, or allowed scavengers
26:05
Speaker 1: to come after her, then we need to to exhaust
26:08
Speaker 1: every possibility that we still felony murder. Even if that's true,
26:13
Speaker 1: it can still be prosecuted as felony murder because that's
26:16
Speaker 1: felony child abuse to endangerment and a death occurred. That's
26:19
Speaker 1: what felony murder is, any death that occurs in the
26:22
Speaker 1: commission of a felony. I hadn't heard a word about mommy.
26:26
Speaker 1: I wonder what mommy is doing right now. She and
26:28
Speaker 1: I'm doing more laundry. But what about the fact that
26:31
Speaker 1: we know now, Lee Egan, Crime Online Investigative reporter, the
26:35
Speaker 1: Amber Alert has been discontinued. That is true because they
26:39
Speaker 1: don't have any additional clues to go on to keep
26:43
Speaker 1: the Amber Alert active. And the mother she lawyered up
26:47
Speaker 1: almost immediately. She's not talking, not cooperating. Nobody even knows
26:52
Speaker 1: where she is at this point. Why is that? Dr
26:55
Speaker 1: Tiffany Sanders, why aren't if it's true what Lee Egan
26:58
Speaker 1: is telling me that the mom is not operating. If
27:01
Speaker 1: it's true, why is that what? You want to try
27:03
Speaker 1: to find the daughter? Absolutely, she would want to find
27:05
Speaker 1: try to find her daughter. This is someone that you
27:07
Speaker 1: paid thousands of dollars to adopt this young girl from
27:09
Speaker 1: a different country. I wanted a little girl. You wanted
27:13
Speaker 1: this child. So you're gonna be protecting her. You're going
27:15
Speaker 1: to be ensuring that every stone covered, every evidence has
27:19
Speaker 1: been sorted through. So the fine that she is being
27:22
Speaker 1: evasive and not communicating, that's contrary to a caring, nurturing
27:26
Speaker 1: mother and I will I am really suspicious of her behavior. Nancy,
27:30
Speaker 1: I am too. I'm very suspicious. I don't like it.
27:33
Speaker 1: Another issue, you know, Karen Smith, forensics expert, you mentioned
27:36
Speaker 1: about the suv that apparently is spotted leaving the home
27:41
Speaker 1: that morning, early early morning. You're talking about a chip
27:45
Speaker 1: in the suv. Explain right what they're gonna do, Like
27:47
Speaker 1: you have any hit and run or car accidents that
27:49
Speaker 1: that it results in the fatality, They're going to pull
27:51
Speaker 1: these computer chips in any newer car. It shows breaking,
27:54
Speaker 1: it shows speed, it shows when the car is active
27:57
Speaker 1: and when it's not. They pulled the computer chip apparently,
28:00
Speaker 1: and the car had been driven for approximately an hour.
28:03
Speaker 1: Let's narrow that down. Uh, we'll talk about sixty miles
28:06
Speaker 1: an hour for one hour. Going forward to wait a minute,
28:08
Speaker 1: you're saying that you know it was the car was
28:11
Speaker 1: gone for an hour. That's what they're reporting that it
28:14
Speaker 1: was gone for two, four a m. And five am.
28:16
Speaker 1: So that's about a thirty mile search radius. Like Joe
28:19
Speaker 1: Scott said, you start at the beginning, You start with
28:21
Speaker 1: a small radius. If you don't find anything, we expand out.
28:24
Speaker 1: Now they're dealing with approximately thirty miles in every direction
28:29
Speaker 1: for where this suv may have gone. That is a
28:32
Speaker 1: huge area to search. Um, but they have to do it.
28:36
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, if the car left and came back, I
28:39
Speaker 1: seriously doubt whoever was driving it went to go get coffee.
28:43
Speaker 1: Uh there was something. Why would you? Why would you
28:45
Speaker 1: leave when you realize your daughter's missing, unless you're going
28:48
Speaker 1: looking for her? Crime Online investigative reporter le Agan how
28:51
Speaker 1: do How did we first learn who reported the Sharon missing?
28:55
Speaker 1: The father reported her missing five hours after he put her.
29:00
Speaker 1: He reportedly put her outside, so he went back inside,
29:04
Speaker 1: checked on her. Fifteen minutes later, she was gone, went
29:06
Speaker 1: back in, did laundry, drove somewhere for an hour, waited
29:10
Speaker 1: another couple of hours. Five hours passed before he called police.
29:14
Speaker 1: Let's just let's process this. So the dad, Wesley Matthews,
29:19
Speaker 1: tells police, he sends his baby in her pjs at
29:22
Speaker 1: three am to stand all alone by a tree across
29:27
Speaker 1: an alley from their home in the Dallas area, Texas.
29:30
Speaker 1: It's Richardson, Texas. Now. This is, according to him, her
29:35
Speaker 1: punishment when she refuses to drink milk three am when
29:39
Speaker 1: he goes to look for the baby, don't know where
29:41
Speaker 1: mommy is. In this scenario, when he goes to look
29:43
Speaker 1: for baby Sharon, just fifteen short minutes later, according to him,
29:48
Speaker 1: she's gone, but he's not worried that she's gone, because
29:51
Speaker 1: then he goes back inside and does a load of laundry. Now,
29:55
Speaker 1: this is according to a sworn police affidavit in he
30:00
Speaker 1: waits until after the sun comes up before he as
30:04
Speaker 1: Lee Egan is telling us reports the baby is gone. Okay,
30:10
Speaker 1: that's not all. Detective search to the home midweek, which
30:15
Speaker 1: I think is too late, and announced that somebody left
30:20
Speaker 1: in the family's suv around four o'clock a m the
30:24
Speaker 1: day Sharon goes missing and returns within the hour, as
30:29
Speaker 1: according to detectives. Now, he was apprehended on child endangerment
30:36
Speaker 1: and then has been released and has stopped cooperating with detectives.
30:41
Speaker 1: Now the mom says she was asleep during the whole thing,
30:46
Speaker 1: but according to sources, she has stopped cooperating. This is
30:52
Speaker 1: another troubling issue to Alan Duke joining me. CPS Child
30:56
Speaker 1: Protective Services, according to Repole, has had unquote unspecified contact
31:03
Speaker 1: with the family before Sharon goes missing. Now, can can
31:09
Speaker 1: somebody explain how CBS has already been at the home
31:12
Speaker 1: for something and the baby is still there and then
31:14
Speaker 1: neither parents shows up for the vigil. It was a
31:17
Speaker 1: vigil for a little girl and the parents don't even
31:19
Speaker 1: bother to come, Alan, Is that true? Yeah, that's what
31:22
Speaker 1: I understand. And unfortunately, this is a thread that we've
31:24
Speaker 1: seen in other stories that you and I disturbing stories
31:27
Speaker 1: of child abuse that you and I have covered. The
31:31
Speaker 1: very same day, police get a tip to go and
31:35
Speaker 1: scour a cemetery near the edge of Richardson for signs
31:40
Speaker 1: of baby sharing. This little girl has already seen so
31:44
Speaker 1: much heartache in her life. She was born in India
31:47
Speaker 1: and then she gets past from one place to the next.
31:49
Speaker 1: God only knows what happened to her and all those
31:51
Speaker 1: places she was sent before she gets adopted. She was
31:56
Speaker 1: abandoned by her parents before her second birthday, adoption workers
32:01
Speaker 1: rescue her, and it's according to the adoption agency, the
32:11
Speaker 1: baby would wait for hours on the stairs until a
32:15
Speaker 1: worker she called nanny would show up, and then she
32:19
Speaker 1: would run and hug the woman. I was just breaking
32:22
Speaker 1: my heart. Her parents abandoned her. She's passed from place
32:26
Speaker 1: to place, and finally at the adoption agency, a worker
32:30
Speaker 1: shows her love and a little baby will sit on
32:33
Speaker 1: the stairs to sit there until that employee shows up
32:38
Speaker 1: and then run to her and call her nanny as
32:42
Speaker 1: I only love this child ever got then miracle she
32:47
Speaker 1: gets adopted just outside Dallas, where she meets her new sister,
32:51
Speaker 1: who's one year older than her. At age three, she
32:56
Speaker 1: only weighs twenty two pounds. Her dad says she had
33:00
Speaker 1: an eating disorder. He says in a small hours of
33:06
Speaker 1: the morning, he couldn't get her to drink her meal.
33:08
Speaker 1: Why are you feeding a child at three a m.
33:12
Speaker 1: And that's when he sends her outside a hundred feet
33:17
Speaker 1: that's a third of a football field from the house,
33:22
Speaker 1: behind a fence and across from an alley known to
33:27
Speaker 1: be infested with coyotes. Hold on, take this in a
33:30
Speaker 1: hundred feet Joe Scott Morgan from the house, behind a
33:35
Speaker 1: fence and across the alley. I wouldn't even let my
33:38
Speaker 1: children get that far out of my sight and normal
33:40
Speaker 1: waking daylight hours with me with them, forget it, across
33:44
Speaker 1: a fence a hundred feet away from me. Anything could happen, Yeah, Ken,
33:47
Speaker 1: And she is completely and totally defenseless. She subjected to
33:52
Speaker 1: all of the elements and anything else that's out there,
33:55
Speaker 1: no one to protect her, nancy in this dark, horrible
34:00
Speaker 1: in a set of circumstances. And you know at the
34:03
Speaker 1: end of the day, he's trying to give her milk.
34:06
Speaker 1: I can't tell you, and I know you've done this.
34:08
Speaker 1: Why didn't Why didn't he just put her in his
34:10
Speaker 1: arms and sitting a rock and shat and rocker and
34:12
Speaker 1: sooth her. Why did he have to take her and
34:14
Speaker 1: stick her out in the middle of the night. And
34:16
Speaker 1: how did mommy sleep through the whole thing? This is
34:19
Speaker 1: what I know. Candles and flowers are now marking the
34:22
Speaker 1: spot where Sharon was said to have last been seen.
34:27
Speaker 1: For anyone with information, please please call nine seven to
34:31
Speaker 1: seven four four dred repeat nine seven to seven four
34:37
Speaker 1: four four eight hundred. A little girl has gone missing
34:41
Speaker 1: from her home, her name Sharon, and according to police,
34:45
Speaker 1: her father, Wesley Matthews, sends his daughter and her pj's
34:49
Speaker 1: at three a m. To stand alone beneath a tree
34:55
Speaker 1: across an alley from the home as punishment for refusing
35:01
Speaker 1: to drink milk. Take a listen to what mommy's defense
35:05
Speaker 1: lawyer has to say. Ms Matthews has previously participated with
35:10
Speaker 1: the Richardson Police Department. She's distraught over the loss of
35:13
Speaker 1: her son, her daughter, Sharon Matthews. She does not know
35:17
Speaker 1: the whereabouts and all she wants is for her daughter
35:20
Speaker 1: to be returned. You may wonder why she has retained
35:23
Speaker 1: legal counsel. She's participated with the Richardson Police Department and
35:27
Speaker 1: her biological child was removed from her house. All she
35:30
Speaker 1: wants is her daughter back, Sharon Matthews, and wants her
35:34
Speaker 1: biological daughter back. And with regard to why an individual
35:38
Speaker 1: may retain counsel, everybody has right to legal counsel. The
35:43
Speaker 1: mere fact that Wesley may be accused of a crime
35:47
Speaker 1: is not indicative of Ms. Matthews. Under the rules of ethics,
35:51
Speaker 1: an attorney cannot represent multiple parties that may or may
35:56
Speaker 1: have a conflict. There is no conflict. At this point,
35:59
Speaker 1: there's been no accusations of wrongdoing against miss Matthews, and
36:03
Speaker 1: at this time they would request their privacy. All they
36:05
Speaker 1: want is their daughter back, Sharon Matthews. Why have we
36:09
Speaker 1: not heard from the mirror? The mere fact that you
36:12
Speaker 1: do not hear from a person who's mourning some individuals
36:15
Speaker 1: more indifferently. The mere fact that she may walk up
36:18
Speaker 1: and down the street and react differently to a time
36:21
Speaker 1: of trauma is not indicative of anything. Can you speak
36:24
Speaker 1: to her in the emotional statement? How how is she
36:26
Speaker 1: doing right now? Well, she's distraught and as you're all aware,
36:31
Speaker 1: they adopted Sharon, they love Sharon. Sharon did have medical
36:35
Speaker 1: conditions and they have worked with trying to get those
36:38
Speaker 1: medical conditions under control. You've heard the Richardson Police Department
36:41
Speaker 1: talk about that Sharon did have a eating disorder. The
36:44
Speaker 1: mere fact that she had an eating disorder is not
36:46
Speaker 1: indicative of this case. What happened to Sharon? That's she's distraught?
36:51
Speaker 1: Is she handing by Wesley? Is she standing by Wesley
36:53
Speaker 1: and his account of what happened? She has previously spoken
36:56
Speaker 1: to the Richardson Police Department and provided cooperation with the
37:01
Speaker 1: richards and Police department, and the fact that there may
37:04
Speaker 1: be other conversations that may have occurred by between the
37:06
Speaker 1: third parties and Wesley. She's not aware of those. Is
37:09
Speaker 1: she hopeful? She is. She's very hopeful that her daughter
37:13
Speaker 1: will be returned. Has she or Wesley ever hurt Little Sharon?
37:18
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Have you all had? But they have had
37:21
Speaker 1: contact with CPS. What's that about. We're not at liberty
37:24
Speaker 1: to discuss that, but they have. We're not at liberty
37:27
Speaker 1: to discussed that. Lee Aigan Police are asking the public
37:30
Speaker 1: for something very very specific. What is it? Yes, they are.
37:34
Speaker 1: They're asking people, businesses, people with homes with security cameras
37:40
Speaker 1: to please take a look at their footage on the
37:44
Speaker 1: morning of October seven and to see if they see
37:47
Speaker 1: a two thousand and thirteen maroon accurate m d X.
37:52
Speaker 1: They're trying to get a timeline going. They're trying to
37:55
Speaker 1: maroon Acura. Um yes, m d X. This is where
38:00
Speaker 1: Richardson Police Department is saying, quote, we'd like to thank
38:04
Speaker 1: those who have provided tips and video up to this point.
38:07
Speaker 1: I wonder what that video is, Karen Smith. What video
38:11
Speaker 1: are they talking about? It could be anything from just
38:14
Speaker 1: a drive by of a business that was closed that
38:16
Speaker 1: happens to have a surveillance camera out front. That would
38:18
Speaker 1: be really helpful because right now we have no directionality
38:22
Speaker 1: and no destination of where the suv went. So they're
38:25
Speaker 1: looking for any and everything at this point. So anybody
38:29
Speaker 1: that has anything, yeah, please get that to the Richardson
38:31
Speaker 1: police as soon as possible. You know, it can be
38:34
Speaker 1: subpoena Joe Scott Morrigan. And it's been done before through
38:38
Speaker 1: different providers. It can be radio, it can be um,
38:43
Speaker 1: what what do you get to call a north Star
38:46
Speaker 1: and a lot of vehicles in new on Star thank you,
38:49
Speaker 1: in newer models it's never handed over willingly. It has
38:53
Speaker 1: to be subpoena. But that's you know, just filling out
38:55
Speaker 1: a form and going to a judge and it will
38:58
Speaker 1: tell you where a car has gone in these smart cars,
39:02
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, I wonder if that's been done or not.
39:05
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure that it has Newsy but this
39:07
Speaker 1: goes back to the bigger point that that you and
39:09
Speaker 1: Karen have already touched on. Let's keep in mind we
39:12
Speaker 1: have got this five hour gap and this idea of
39:15
Speaker 1: timing setting this time on in in death investigation, Crime
39:19
Speaker 1: seeing investigation. We work on linear time, So this idea
39:22
Speaker 1: of trying to pace him or the vehicle wherever it's
39:27
Speaker 1: going at different geographic locations, we can plot that and
39:30
Speaker 1: this might be actually a key to determining where sharing
39:34
Speaker 1: is or where she was let go or where she
39:37
Speaker 1: was placed. And this is going to be essential to this.
39:40
Speaker 1: And police Department is saying we would like to thank
39:42
Speaker 1: those who have provided tips and video up to this point.
39:45
Speaker 1: We are diligently working our way through all the material
39:48
Speaker 1: we continue to request. As Lee Egan just told us
39:52
Speaker 1: businesses and residents within a thirty minute drive of the
39:55
Speaker 1: nine hundred block of Sunningdale to check your video system
40:00
Speaker 1: see if there's any footage that may have captured a
40:02
Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen Maroon Acura m d x M mother
40:08
Speaker 1: D dog X SUV on Saturday, October seven between four
40:14
Speaker 1: am and five am. It's important this check be conducted
40:18
Speaker 1: before a system overwrite may take place. Thank you for
40:23
Speaker 1: your assistance. That's a news release and um Lee, if
40:27
Speaker 1: you don't mind, could you re send that out for
40:29
Speaker 1: us on the Crime Online website just so our readers
40:33
Speaker 1: can help with that. We're doing everything we can think
40:36
Speaker 1: of to try and bring baby sharing home. After all,
40:41
Speaker 1: this child has lived through in life already. The little
40:45
Speaker 1: girl adopted from Nalanda missing now in the U s.
40:49
Speaker 1: She comes this far only to go missing now. The mother,
40:54
Speaker 1: according to the Dallas Morning News, is quote distraught but
40:59
Speaker 1: still quote hopeful the little girl will be found. The
41:04
Speaker 1: lawyer for the mom says that, I mean the mom
41:09
Speaker 1: has the distressed quote distraught mom has gotten a criminal defense.
41:13
Speaker 1: Lawyer says that it's can't star. All she wants is
41:18
Speaker 1: for her daughter to be returned. Interesting, isn't it? Karen Smith,
41:23
Speaker 1: she wants her all. She wants her daughter to be returned,
41:26
Speaker 1: but according to sources, she's not cooperating with police. I
41:29
Speaker 1: don't understand that dichotomy. I don't understand it either. If
41:33
Speaker 1: you want your daughter to be returned, you are giving
41:35
Speaker 1: every single shred of information to them that you can provide,
41:39
Speaker 1: not lawyering up and saying that you know you were
41:43
Speaker 1: quote unquote asleep when all this happened. Why would you
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Speaker 1: lawyer up if you're asleep? Why did you not go
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Speaker 1: to the vigil? Too many question marks for me as
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Speaker 1: an investigator. Well, jos got Morrigan when he Starr was
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Speaker 1: asked why the mom had retained a lawyer. He says
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Speaker 1: that Cney has operated a police Now that's different from
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Speaker 1: what we were told, that she's not cooperating, and that
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Speaker 1: quote everybody has a right to legal counsel. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we all have a right to legal counsel. But I'm
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Speaker 1: not running out and hiring a lawyer right now because
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Speaker 1: I don't need one, right I'm gonna yeah, you don't.
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Speaker 1: And also, as a parent, if my child is missing,
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Speaker 1: the last person I want to talk to is a lawyer.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk to the public so that I
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Speaker 1: can get the word out because time's wasting. TikTok, TikTok.
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Speaker 1: Every time we move further and further out from that
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Speaker 1: moment time which this child disappeared, the slimmer the chances
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Speaker 1: are that we're gonna be able to recover her. That's
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Speaker 1: that's the conundrum here. Why do you go and get
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Speaker 1: an attorney in these circumstances. Well, the lawyer says, quote,
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Speaker 1: they adopted Sharon, They love Sharon, he said of the family.
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Speaker 1: And he was asked why isn't the mom spoken publicly,
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Speaker 1: and he says, quote, some individuals moren differently. Okay. According
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Speaker 1: to police, the search of the home was part of
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Speaker 1: the quote natural progression of the investigation. And I am
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Speaker 1: looking at the home right now. It looks like a mansion.
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Speaker 1: I mean, have you got Jackie look at this. If
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Speaker 1: you got seen this house, it looks it's it is
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Speaker 1: some crib. Let me tell you. It's huge, red brick,
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Speaker 1: It's got all the outdoor lighting and beautiful hedge. You
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Speaker 1: know what, This is not exactly what I pictured when
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Speaker 1: we were talking about an alley in a street and coyotes.
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Speaker 1: This looks like it should be on that It is
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Speaker 1: that show still on the air, Homes of the Rich
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Speaker 1: and Famous, or how about pent my crib. No, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. This is huge. This looks like it should
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Speaker 1: be on a reality TV show, like like where the
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Speaker 1: Kardashians have their fake home. It's humongous. These people must
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Speaker 1: be rolling in dough. Okay. The dad, Wesley Matthews, is
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Speaker 1: just thirty seven years old, and uh he is out free,
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Speaker 1: and so is the mom. I'm just telling you the
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Speaker 1: completely different Everybody. Look at the picture of the home
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Speaker 1: right now. Now. The Humane Society says that coyote attacks
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Speaker 1: are rare, but Matthews. The dad admits to police he
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Speaker 1: knew coyotes had been in the alley when he sent
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Speaker 1: the daughter out there. Lea Egan Crime Online. Is that true? Yep,
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Speaker 1: that is absolutely true. He knew, he admitted right off. Like,
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Speaker 1: why would he do that? Why would he send that
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Speaker 1: baby out there knowing that caloites were there? It just
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Speaker 1: makes no sense. Also, after looking around for her, he
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Speaker 1: ad ments he went inside to do laundry and quote
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Speaker 1: decided to wait until it was light outside to continue
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Speaker 1: searching for her or for her to return on her own. Okay.
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Speaker 1: According to k x a s TV NBC five, why
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Speaker 1: was the last sighting at three o'clock and the parents
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Speaker 1: not call until a a m. That's the question we
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Speaker 1: want answered. This is police telling k x a s
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Speaker 1: quote as far as why she was out there, how
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Speaker 1: long she was out there, that's questions we have for
45:03
Speaker 1: the parents right now. The baby's mom does not face
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Speaker 1: any charges. Reportedly asleep and unaware of what her husband
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Speaker 1: was doing inside their mansion. Police go door to door
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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, using search dogs and helicopters looking for
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Speaker 1: Sharon they have so far. This is where the security
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Speaker 1: footage comes from I mean, once I saw that house,
45:23
Speaker 1: I guarantee you every house on that street has video
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Speaker 1: cameras out the yin yang uh, security footage, electronics and
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Speaker 1: items in the family's three vehicles. The three vehicles were
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Speaker 1: towed from the home on Saturday. Karen Smith, what do
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Speaker 1: you why do you think they took all three vehicles
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Speaker 1: and what are they hoping to find? The one left
45:42
Speaker 1: for an hour and came back. But you know what,
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Speaker 1: they need to take any and everything that may be
45:46
Speaker 1: related to something bad that may have happened, and that
45:50
Speaker 1: includes all of the vehicles. They're not going to leave
45:52
Speaker 1: any stone unturned at this point, which is why they
45:54
Speaker 1: they issued a search warrant and knocked on the door
45:57
Speaker 1: with that and now they're in the home, mean it
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Speaker 1: for all of the forensic evidence that they can possibly get,
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Speaker 1: that includes the cars. We also know, Joseph Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: that police retrieved an item from near that tree where
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Speaker 1: the dad claimed Sharon was left alone, and they placed
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Speaker 1: the item in a back But right now we don't
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Speaker 1: know what the item was or whether it's of any
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Speaker 1: evidentiary value. Um the Amber Lord has been discontinued only
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Speaker 1: because of insufficient tips to go on, and they've got
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Speaker 1: to have a specific vehicle or suspect for that amber
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Speaker 1: alert to continue. Joe Scott Morgan. I also understand Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott that others from the Emmanuel Bible Chapel, the church
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Speaker 1: where they went, had a search. They searched a field
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Speaker 1: and other areas near the family home and claimed that
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Speaker 1: they were good parents. Maybe they've got a different idea
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Speaker 1: of good parent than I do. I think that that
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Speaker 1: when you're around somebody all the time, like like these
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Speaker 1: people are, uh, you don't want to assume the worst
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Speaker 1: of someone, particularly if they're a member of your particular group. Um.
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Speaker 1: So it's hard, it's hard to even conceptualize many times
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Speaker 1: for people to think that, oh my gosh, they have
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Speaker 1: done something horrible to their child. But that aside, that, aside,
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Speaker 1: this piece of evidence that they found at the scene
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Speaker 1: that is at this point unknown. We we work on
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Speaker 1: an on an idea in forensics, Nancy that that talks
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Speaker 1: about connectivity. It talks about every contact lead in the trace.
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Speaker 1: If that piece of evidence, if that evidence has sufficient
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Speaker 1: biological evidence on it, they're going to try to develop
47:32
Speaker 1: that entire the fact. Whatever the event was that brought
47:35
Speaker 1: sharing it's in state at this point of time. Baby
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Speaker 1: Sharon has developmental issues and limited verbal skills, probably because
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Speaker 1: of being so malnourished and is treated before she was adopted.
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Speaker 1: Is described as Asian. She's about three ft tall. She
47:56
Speaker 1: only was twenty two pounds with dark care and beautiful
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Speaker 1: old brown eyes. Baby Sharon was last saying wearing a
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Speaker 1: pink top, black pajama bottoms and pink flip flops. She
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Speaker 1: was adopted from an India orphanage. Let's all continue our
48:13
Speaker 1: prayers and our hopes that this little girl is found
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Speaker 1: safe and then finds a loving home. That's our prayer
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