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Joe Thomas: Playing 10,363 straight NFL snaps, Almost Leaving the Browns, Becoming a Beef Farmer · NFL explained.

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Do you remember your first nap against the Steelers? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And how that play? I think I pancaked him. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly, so this might not be completely true,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure I pancaked him, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: gave him one of those like standing over the top
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  Speaker 1: things that you get a flag for. Now like that,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL. How about you? Welcome to the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: I like it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, don't tell James I said that is scary as hell. Dude?
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen him on Instagram? If I saw him
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  Speaker 1: on the street, I'd still call him mister Harrison.
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  Speaker 3: What's up?
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  Speaker 2: Everybody on peanuts to him? And this is the NFL
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  Speaker 2: Player's Second Act podcast and with me as always as
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  Speaker 2: my trustee co host Roman. I am on one.
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  Speaker 3: Harm No, You're You're definitely on one. I'm clearly we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna have a good one right here, because I guess
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  Speaker 3: has good energy. Peanut has good energy.
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  Speaker 1: You got the energy.
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  Speaker 3: I have good energy to a nap.
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  Speaker 2: I had to rest my mind for a couple of minutes,
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  Speaker 2: but I just shut it off, get it back going.
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  Speaker 3: Who we got? Hey?
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  Speaker 2: First ballot, Hall of Fame, ten Pro Bowls, like ten
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  Speaker 2: straight Pro Bowls six First Team All Prolls, Ladies and gentlemen,
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  Speaker 2: please welcome to the Pop missus Jill Thomps.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you very much, thank
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  Speaker 1: you very much.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the Pop.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 3: We appreciate you coming on. I like the hat.
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  Speaker 2: What hat is that?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you? Well, I'm glad. Yes, this is the hat
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  Speaker 1: that we're not now selling for my farm, my Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame beef hat. And it actually fits my giant melon.
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  Speaker 1: So for those of you guys out there that got
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  Speaker 1: the big head, this is the hat for you.
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  Speaker 3: I like that. I like that.
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  Speaker 2: Was it the olive green?
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  Speaker 3: I like the green?
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  Speaker 1: I like I like the green. My farm is in
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  Speaker 1: southwest Wisconsin, outside of Bosco Bell. It's about an hour
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  Speaker 1: west of Madison.
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  Speaker 2: He even said that like a way Wisconson.
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  Speaker 1: Like, well, you know, I've been in Wisconsin and then
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  Speaker 1: high Oh my whole life. So you catch a little
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  Speaker 1: I just never left.
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  Speaker 2: No, what do you sell at your farm?
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  Speaker 1: So we're selling all beef products, right, we were raised
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  Speaker 1: beef cattle, so obviously steaks and things like that, but
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  Speaker 1: also beef jerky, beef stick, summer sausage, all the good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you.
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  Speaker 2: Literally after this, you're gonna have to give me the
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  Speaker 2: card I found.
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  Speaker 1: I got one of my bag. Don't worry, I'm always selling, right.
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  Speaker 2: I literally just bought like almost three four hundred pounds
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  Speaker 2: of beef from a butcher and I think they were
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  Speaker 2: in Montana somewhere. They ship it to me, but.
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  Speaker 1: Ship right to your door. I might deliver it right,
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  Speaker 1: depending on how this interview goes. Okay, Yeah, we're raising
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  Speaker 1: the best stops not too far from Milwaukee. Perfect, that'll
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  Speaker 1: be easy. I'll come deliver it myself with bells on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because we did a ragnar run. We did it.
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  Speaker 3: You guys convince in Chicago to Madison.
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  Speaker 1: You're in from Chicago to Madison one year, one day,
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  Speaker 1: twenty four hours, four hours, and so.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, significant others convinced us. Somehow I got drug into this.
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  Speaker 3: This is not what I do, is all right, So
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  Speaker 3: we're doing it this year again.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go.
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't last time. Yeah, I did go to That
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  Speaker 3: was my only experience of Madison. Those it was really
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  Speaker 3: really cool. The water it was really nice. The weather
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  Speaker 3: was actually decent too, so.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully it was summertime. It was.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it still got cold, still got cold.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a nice cool. It's cool. It's not cold
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  Speaker 1: in the summer, right, It's where you want to be.
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  Speaker 3: I'm from Alabama, so I felt cold cold to be
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  Speaker 3: all right. I want to ask you first thing, what
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  Speaker 3: were the emotions that you were going through when you
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  Speaker 3: saw country music star Morgan Wallen rocking the Joe Thomas
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  Speaker 3: seventy two Jersey back in Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: Wisconsin, Whompton but similar. It was interesting because me and
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  Speaker 1: my family were big Morgan long fans. Yes, obviously one
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  Speaker 1: of the biggest, if not Jersey. I didn't know any
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  Speaker 1: of it, and I found out through a text message
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  Speaker 1: that it was happening. I was at the concert. We
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  Speaker 1: had our four childre my youngest is six. Reese. We
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  Speaker 1: love you very much, although in that moment we didn't
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  Speaker 1: love you so much. So there was a little raindel
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  Speaker 1: a had to be any of the show, so it
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  Speaker 1: kind of got pushed back. And then when they started,
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  Speaker 1: we made it till like ten forty five or so,
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  Speaker 1: and it was a Sunday, so like kids had stuff
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  Speaker 1: going on on Monday, and my daughter would not stop
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  Speaker 1: crying she was so tired. My six year old, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: and finally, after like thirty minutes of it, my wife's like,
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  Speaker 1: we just got to leave, Like she's not gonna make it.
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  Speaker 1: Like we've already seen a lot of the show. It's great.
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  Speaker 1: So I throw over my shoulder. I'm carrying her to
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  Speaker 1: the car. We just get right outside of Camp Randall Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: We hear the concerts still going on, and all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, my phone is just blowing up like crazy,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, I got an Apple Watch on, so I'm like
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  Speaker 1: kind of peeking to see who's hitting me up? Why
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  Speaker 1: am I getting so many messages at eleven o'clock on
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  Speaker 1: Sunday night? Yeah, And like the picture pops up and
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  Speaker 1: I go, you've got to be kidding me. I go,
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  Speaker 1: Annie Morgan Wong. He's singing right now, he's wearing my jersey,
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  Speaker 1: and we're walking out of the stadium, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: should we tell the kids because they're going to hate
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  Speaker 1: their sister forever. But it was a really cool moment
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  Speaker 1: in hindsight, because I think that picture of him wearing
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  Speaker 1: my jersey, which was completely a surprise. My wife like
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  Speaker 1: got a little commemorative ticket printed out and put it
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  Speaker 1: up in the office, and I'm like that's forever gonna
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  Speaker 1: bond me and make me think of my daughter. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: in the moment there was the next emotions, but like
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  Speaker 1: it's just cool we had that memory and it's going
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  Speaker 1: to stick out, probably even more if you're just sitting
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  Speaker 1: there enjoying the concert the way it was.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you got a great story out of it, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And you know the Cleveland Browns as an organization, you
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  Speaker 3: know they when you were went into the Hall of Fame,
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  Speaker 3: they they put up a whole list of numbers to
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  Speaker 3: kind of support you in your career, right, and the
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  Speaker 3: number twenty three of the number of quarterbacks that you
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  Speaker 3: blocked four doing your eleven year career. How many out
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  Speaker 3: of these twenty three do you think you can name.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen you on another show you did good ESPN.
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  Speaker 1: I did a show once, ye, but that was like
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  Speaker 1: six years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Let's test the marine at the.
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  Speaker 1: Beginning and then the end is okay, But in the middle,
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  Speaker 1: like some of those middle years, and.
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  Speaker 3: I went through the LIS, I was like that I
• 6:07
  Speaker 3: didn't even know he played there.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't even know he was in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Probably it's kind of similar to me in Chicago with
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  Speaker 2: all the quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 3: We then you have twenty three but hi, Joe, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: pressures on.
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  Speaker 1: So we started with Charlie Fry, Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn,
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  Speaker 1: Seneca Wallace, Yeah, Jake Delome, Josh McCown, Colet McCoy, Austin Davis,
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  Speaker 1: Robert Griffin the third.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know that he'd played for you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Ye. Yeah. Terrelle Pryor took a couple snaps at quarterback
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  Speaker 1: in emergency situations. Charlie Whitehurst touchdown, Jesus, Jesus, clipboard Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: Also yes, clipboard Jesus touchdown Jesus and South different guy,
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  Speaker 1: same level of fame. I all forgot about. I was
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  Speaker 1: waiting for my mind. I'm like, did I play with Johnny? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: I did. I have a lot of scars still from
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  Speaker 1: those man Zel days. Ryan Hoyer Yeah, actually called decent
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  Speaker 1: season there, seven and nine. Bruce greg Kowski, Brandon Whedon,
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  Speaker 1: he was Dad Lewis, Josh Johnson one of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: crazy how long he played in the He's still playing.
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  Speaker 1: You're seventeen way outlived, Ken Dorsey, Cody Kessler, yep USC
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  Speaker 1: third round pick. I think uh.
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  Speaker 3: Armani Edwards was on the list. Mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 1: It's may have been concussed in that game. I don't
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  Speaker 1: remember it happened.
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  Speaker 3: And the other one is, uh, Deshaun Kaiser.
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  Speaker 1: Deshaun Kaiser, yes, sah, he was our starter My last
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  Speaker 1: season is ish Yeah, so not bad. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: haven't gone through that list in a while, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of names on there, not as many Hall
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  Speaker 1: of famers, not as many, not as many guys.
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  Speaker 3: You know, do you know your very first guy?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Charlie Frye because I had him for
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  Speaker 1: exactly one half of football. He was our starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: He was our captain, local guy. They benched him at
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  Speaker 1: halftime of Week one and they traded him the next
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  Speaker 1: day to Seattle, and I've never seen him since. That's awesome,
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  Speaker 1: as youre welcome to the NFL moment any By the way,
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  Speaker 1: I guys, your captain, he's not gonna be here anymore.
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  Speaker 1: We just got rid of it.
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  Speaker 2: And your last was just shn Kaiser, So you already
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  Speaker 2: hit that one on that, Hi. It's a good job
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  Speaker 2: bad ten three hundred and sixty three. That's the number
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  Speaker 2: of consecutive snaps you played, which is insane. That's I
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  Speaker 2: don't even know how you how you even get ten thousand,
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  Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty three snaps? What is your body
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  Speaker 2: feel like? Having played ten thousand, three hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 2: three consecutive.
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  Speaker 1: Snaps considering that was ten and a half seasons, yep,
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  Speaker 1: never missed a play. I feel okay by that standard. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I just had my hip replaced like three ish months ago.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm feeling great okay with swimming and yoga and
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: play a little basketball.
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  Speaker 3: So you already got the hip done.
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  Speaker 1: Got the hip done, it was felt way better. It
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  Speaker 1: was really really bad and it was really affecting my back,
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  Speaker 1: which I didn't realize they were so linked together. But
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  Speaker 1: I was having really really bad back problems and the
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  Speaker 1: hip was hurting. But since I did the hip, the
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  Speaker 1: back is feeling great, so I just have to monitor it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it's like for you guys, but
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  Speaker 1: there's certain parts of my body, like the outside of
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  Speaker 1: my left knee, just because of the position that I
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  Speaker 1: was in all the time, that's way worse than other parts.
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  Speaker 1: Like like I said, I can play basketball like it's
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: not like competitive, but I can run back and forth
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  Speaker 1: and it feels great because that motion is fine, But like,
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  Speaker 1: if I get into that position that I played in
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  Speaker 1: for ten thousand plus snaps, that's the time when I'm
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  Speaker 1: starting to feel it. Look, man, do you remember your
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  Speaker 1: first You remember your first snap against the Steelers? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and have that play. I think I pancaked him. No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly, so this might not be completely true,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure I pancaked him, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: gave him one of those like standing over the top
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  Speaker 1: things that you get a flag for. Now you like that?
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL. How about you? Welcome to the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: I like it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, don't tell James I said that.
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  Speaker 3: Feel scary as hell?
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  Speaker 1: Dud. Have you seen him on Instagram? If I saw
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  Speaker 1: him on the street, I'd still call him mister Harrison.
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  Speaker 2: Dude is always in the gym.
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  Speaker 3: He is always in debo and congrats, because you know,
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  Speaker 3: I judge people in their basketball post football careers as
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: like do you play half quarter or do you play
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  Speaker 3: full court?
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: We do full court.
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: So the fact that you're like, no, I do full court,
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  Speaker 3: like I much respect do you? Anytime you can get
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: a little sand bag layup like that's right, never matter.
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  Speaker 1: I don't jump for rebounds, Like, I don't do any
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  Speaker 1: of that. I just shoot the outside shots, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like jogged back shoot half ass defense. Yeah, just get
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: a sat.
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  Speaker 3: Do you play basketball? I feel like you can't hoop.
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: Don't be disrespectful. Yes, I feel like you can't hoop.
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: I ain't never seen.
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: Bottle locker room fights started over you can't play basketball.
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  Speaker 3: Don't be disrespectful. I've never seen you hoop either. I
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  Speaker 3: can't dunk.
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't dunk. When the last time you've dunked?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Probably within probably like the last three or four months.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean, dude, I'm a finger roll guy at
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  Speaker 3: this point. I'm straight finger roll ice man. Yeah, I
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: got another number for you, zero point zero zero four.
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  Speaker 3: That's is your sacks allowed percentage. I don't know if
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: you knew that, did you?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that, but if I was going to guess,
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  Speaker 1: I was probably going down that either sacks or holds,
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  Speaker 1: so neither.
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  Speaker 3: So you were really good at avoiding both. So out
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  Speaker 3: of your six hundred six thousand, six hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 3: pass block snaps, I mean dude, they did a really
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  Speaker 3: good job of writing down your resume, you only allowed
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  Speaker 3: thirty sacks responsible for. I don't know if they were
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  Speaker 3: all even your fault actually asked, Yeah, yeah, do you
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  Speaker 3: even remember the first sack that you probably gave up.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird. Sacks are weird because like it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: your fault. It's kind of that guy qua. Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: quarterback was maybe a little deep. It was definitely in
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: that game against the Steelers or James Harrison, because they
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  Speaker 1: had six sacks in the first half, so I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: that of them was by my fault.
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: Was there ever a team that you played or a
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  Speaker 2: defense that you went against, or a decordinator and he
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  Speaker 2: just confused the shout of you with the defense and
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  Speaker 2: what they would do. Is there is there a game
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  Speaker 2: or a team that just kind of gave you problems?
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  Speaker 2: Like every time you play, we're just like we got
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: to be on rp's and q's because this quarterback or
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: excuse me, this uh decoordinator, he knows how to mess
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  Speaker 2: with us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Rex Ryan Baltimore because they had all those Hall
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  Speaker 1: of famers on defense, and so he could get away
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  Speaker 1: with calling anything, like he didn't have to worry about
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  Speaker 1: covering guys up or covering areas of the field because
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: he knew if he was sending the house like they
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: were getting home Minterrell, Suggs, Jared Johnson, Ray Lewis, Helodi
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: not on the middle of Trevor Price. Like every one
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: of those dudes was Pro Bowlers and Hall of Famers,
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  Speaker 1: And so I remember a very specific play that really
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: screwed us, and it was not very nice of Rex
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: because it was on accident. But they had ten guys
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  Speaker 1: in the field, and as you guys know, like on
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  Speaker 1: the offense and we're looking to block something in pass protection,
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: we're counting, right, where's our receivers. Who's covering those dudes?
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  Speaker 1: Where's the safeties? If they're over the top right now,
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  Speaker 1: I know that guy's a threat. We got to count
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  Speaker 1: them in our count. Well, they had two cornerbacks over
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  Speaker 1: two receivers. The safety was pushed this way, so nobody
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  Speaker 1: else was over there. So Hank Freyley was our center,
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: a great offensive line coach now in the NFL, and
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  Speaker 1: Hank was looking out there and so he took the
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  Speaker 1: protection the other way. Well, they only had ten on
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  Speaker 1: the field, but we didn't count how many guys they had.
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  Speaker 1: We were just looking the structure of the defense, their
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  Speaker 1: safety right before the snap came off the sideline because
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure the decordinator or whoever on the sideline was there,
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  Speaker 1: really got ten. So he comes on the field after
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  Speaker 1: like we've already pointed to going the other way, we're
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  Speaker 1: about to snap the ball, and then now they blitzed
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  Speaker 1: the nickel corner over there, so was the.
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  Speaker 3: Count we're going the other way?
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  Speaker 1: He was on account for you can't blitz there's nobody
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  Speaker 1: topping to you, right, So it was that where I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I know that was on accident, but that
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  Speaker 1: was not very nice. Pretty no idea and no chance
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  Speaker 1: to be able to pick up that blitz.
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  Speaker 3: No way, all right? So who's like a defen edge?
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: Who was somebody that I know? You didn't give up
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  Speaker 3: a lot? So I won't use the word struggle, but
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  Speaker 3: like maybe you knew, all right, this is going to
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: be a day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, my entire career was James Harrison and Terrell
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  Speaker 1: Suggs in the AFC North, so I was playing those
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: guys twice a year. Justin Smith was in Cincinnati my
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: first and he was so yeah, he wasn't yet big
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  Speaker 1: enough to play on the inside like he did for
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: the forty nine ers and so just in the AFC North,
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: it was a struggle every single week. But then the
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: Marcus ware Dwight for any of those or two other
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: guys that always.
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  Speaker 3: Just separates these great pass rushers or guys that are like, okay,
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: because is it because they have multiple moves, is they
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: still have to speak the power string which one guy?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you always got to have one thing that you
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: do really really well. But I think the things that
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: make a defensive end really really tough to block is
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: a guy that can beat you to the inside, he
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: can beat you outside and then he can run you over. Yeah,
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: because if you can only you two of the three,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: I can kind of set on the other ones. And
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: then if you're trying to, like if you don't have power,
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: I can set soft, and then if you try to
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: bull rush me, I can just kind of catch myself
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: after that absorb it. But if I'm worried about man
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Duight Freeney, like he's got this killer spin move and
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting on that and then he runs up the field, okay,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: I can transition. But then if he if I'm sitting
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: on the inside and he turns into a bull rush,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: he's too strong and too fast and into your body
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: too quickly that you can't recover exactly because he's like, yeah,
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: so that guy was a beast, but yeah, if you
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: can beat a guy inside outside and then you can
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: run them over, Like those are the dudes.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna make sure I write that down.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Ye yeah, tell your friends. But there's not many guys
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: that are like that that can do all three things
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: really well.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: And so the league is coming out with a new
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: offensive Lineman awards called a Protector War.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah you get excited.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: I feel like every time we ask a guess this,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: especially a line, and they go, yeah, it's about why
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: do you thinks about time that we start showing our
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: love soar and some love to the offensive lineman.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Well, because when these guys are up for the Hall
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: of Fame, we don't have to talk about point zero
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: zero four sacks per play and oh he played a
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: lot of snaps and like he had a lot of
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks and don't you feel bad for him? Like you
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: can be like, hey, he wont protect her of the
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Year four times.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: It's a great like wow.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: You know, like as an on lineman, most of our
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: stats are things that we do that are bad and
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: it's like, how many times did he avoid the bad thing? Okay,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: that makes you pretty good. But it's cool as an
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman to get get flowers every now and then
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: and something as an award, or get some recognition for
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: doing something good, even though it's you know, a season
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: long award, and certainly in every season there's gonna be
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are deserving. But I think
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: it's great to shine the light on the big fellows
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: every now and then.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: So if the league were to come to you today,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: right now and say, Joe, do you get to design
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: the award? How would you design it?
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Hmm, that's a great question. Maybe it's an old lineman
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: like arms around his brothers in the locker room having
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: a beer after the game. I don't think they would
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: allow that. But I think the ones that I always
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: love are like when you see the offensive line pictures
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: and he's got like a snarl on his face and
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: snop bubbles coming out of his nose and he's pointing
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: out there. You know, I think those are kind of cool.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: So something like that where a guy's in his stance
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: kind of.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Like cool something. What would you name it?
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: The protector of the year.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's just enough. Okay, hey we're taking a POLLI okay,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: we're taking a polly.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I guess I hadn't thought about the name because I
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: thought it already was decided.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: So tell me this. We we like to ask guys
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: what's their welcome to the NFL moment? You already did that,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: so I want you to tell me what was your
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: welcome to Cleveland moments? Playing in Cleveland, it's a little different.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: It is it is. I'll give you two real quick. One.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: When I showed up, they were excited. The fans were pumped.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: And usually if you're an offensive lineman drafted in the
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: top five, the fans are like, oh hey, so we
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: should have the quarterback or should have drafted the receiver,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Like how about somebody? That's exciting, you know. But as
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: soon as I got there, you could feel that Cleveland
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Browns fans understood the game. They respected line play. There
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: was that blue collar nature to the fan base that
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: really appreciates good line play. So that was really cool.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: That was definitely a welcome to Cleveland, just understanding what
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: this fan base is all about. And then the other
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: welcome to Cleveland moment was my rookie year. We're playing
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills Jim Leonard, he's playing safety for him,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: and we call it the Snowball. Though it was not
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: a remarkable game by NFL history standards, but it snowed
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: seven inches between warm ups being finished and middle of
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the second half. So it went from like, not exactly
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: a day like today, but it might rate it might
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: snow a little bit too. Wow, it's snowing so hard
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: that I can't see across the field and I can't
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: see the dudes in the other color jersey. And the
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: film was so bad because it was snowing so hard.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: We didn't even watch the film because there was so
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: much snow between the lens and the field. It just
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: looked like you were watching like a white screen, like
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you didn't have the right.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, how was it so you were here in
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: that Lebron James era?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: How was it like living here going to the games?
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Just the Lebron James effect or whatever? Like, how was
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: sports in Cleveland during that time?
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: It was awesome. I mean, Cleveland loves its sports. It's
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: a pro sports town. You know, people talk about New
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: York being a pro sports town, which it is. But
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Cleveland has that same level of passion where they're following
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: their baseball team, they're following their basketball, they're following their
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: football team, and that's their identity. That's what they do.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Like I'm a Cleveland fan. I love the Guardians, I
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: love the Browns, I love the Cavaliers. And that's the passion.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: That's what people talk about on the street. If you're
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: going to go get your shoe shine at the airport,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: that's what the shoeshine guy is going to be talking
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: to your They live and breathe pro sports. And when
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Lebron was there, obviously he's the biggest athlete in the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: world probably at that time, and we were the center
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: of the athletic world because the stuff he was doing
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: was remarkable and the fans were coming from all over
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: the country to watch him play. It was awesome. It
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: was really really cool. You have a chance to meet him,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, I got him a few times. He
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: was a super nice guy and he grew up in Akron,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: but he was a Cowboys fan, but he still had
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: love for the Browns, which is really cool. So like
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: even though he would come to like we played the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Cowboys in my second season, and he had all Cowboys
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: stuff on, you know, but he still had a lot
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: of love for the local team and the other players.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: And I felt, even though he was such a superstar,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: he showed a lot of respect, which he didn't have
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: to because he's better than all of us, had everything
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: he does, but he showed a lot of respect for
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: common athletes and like what you go through and the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: perseverance and the stresses, and I always thought that was
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: really neat.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, game day, we all have OCD. We all have
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: our routines and what we want to do. I have
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: my rituals and my OCD on game day. By you
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: were eleventh year, it was taking you four hours or
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: four hours to get ready for pregame. What the hell
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: is a pregame ritual for you?
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: A lot of it was in the training room with
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the trainers, like trying to find enough duct tape and
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: band aids to put me together. I mean I was
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: wearing like two back braces, but before you could even
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: put the back braces on, you got to put the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: back plaster on. Before you can put the back plaster on,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: you gotta get the massage and the their gun and
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: got to get in the hot tub. So it was
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: just a matter of getting the body warmed up and
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: then putting the protective pieces of equipment in place, like
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: in that order that makes sense. And then you know,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: still got knee braces and knee leaves. And I was
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: a guy that was super anal about everything, and so
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I would take my wrists, take my gloves and my wrists,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: put my thumb guards on there, take.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: The risk first. What's that would you do? Like a
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: risk first?
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: That left first, so my right was free right in
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: case I needed to do anything. But like with my shoes,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I would spray that QDA, the quick drying adhesive on
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: the bottom of my feet, and then I put my
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: socks on. I'd spray my calves so my socks wouldn't
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: slide down. I'd spray the bottom of my socks so
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't slide in my shoes. Like, I was anal
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: to the max, so I had a lot of things
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: that I was trying to put together. And I was
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: a guy that saw a lot of time in the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: training room before the game started.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I know you sprayed the socks.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: If you would have tried it, you would have been
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: a believer. I don't even know who taught me that.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I feel bad not given the proper sources the sighting,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: but it made such a difference because the worst thing,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: especially playing in like a hot game, is when your
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: socks get wet and your shoes get wet and then
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: your feet start sliding, even just a little bit, it
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: just throws you off. And I hated that.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: So at what point, when you're going through this process,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: you're like, all right, they I think this is a lot.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Did you ever even think like, you know what, man,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: like I'm doing too much.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to take away? What do I
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: not do? Like my shoes and I slide and get
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: yeah right, And you know I was okay. I didn't
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: have anything else going on on Sunday, Nay.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: What did you enjoy more? Run blocking or pass blocking?
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Run blocking is a lot more fun, but since we
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: were losing a lot, I got a lot more comfortable
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: pass blocking all the time. I mean that's why I
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: had almost what almost seventy percent of my plays were passes.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: And so when you do something over and over and
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: over and over again, like you get pretty good at it,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: you get pretty comfortable. And being that as linemen, we
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: get paid the pass block like I enjoyed run blocking more,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: of course, but I realized that I was going to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: get paid for my pass blocking.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: What is your opinion on like jump sets, like jump
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: setting as an offensive tackle, Like they don't.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Explain what a jump set is.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Jump sets like they kind of fire out like it's
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: a run, and you kind of it's just throwing off
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: the timing, so you're not always feel like the old
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: lineman always on the defense, they're always just kicking back,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: and I just feel like you get a full speed
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: start all the time if you're at defensive end or
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: edge player, and sometimes it's just I feel like it
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: just throws the timing off of a defensive lineman if
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: you kind of jump set them every now and then.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: What was your opinion on that? Yeah?
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean I wanted the biggest tool belt in
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the game. I wanted to be able to do everything
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: right because if you're going against a guy who's got
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: a really good inside move, like I'm going against Miles here,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: let's say like I'm probably not going to jump them
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: all that much because it's like two cars coming at
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: each other on a back road highway, Like you're not
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: going fifty five now you're going one hundred and ten. Yeah,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: so it's harder to react when somebody is making an
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: inside move if you are jump setting him. But like
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: you go against a guy who's a rhythm pass rusher,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: he's used to taking his three or four steps, putting
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: his foot in the ground point of contact, and then
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: he's making his move. If you jump set him, you
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: disrupt that timing. A lot of times it's almost like
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: they give up and they have to restart their engine
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and then never have time to get to the quarterback.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, so that's when you wanted. So when
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: you have rhythm pass rushers, yeah, a lot of times
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: that's when you'd use the jump set.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: And then sometimes it's specific to the scheme. You know,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: if you're a play action team and you're doing a
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: lot of play action, you're going to get more of
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: that if you're running more quick game, and you probably
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: see a lot more in college because they're doing a
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: lot more like just quick throws on po's stuff like
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: that where hey, they want you guys to get the
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: hands down of the defensive line, so you need to
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: get on them quickly because it might be just a
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: quick slant and if you're setting off now the defensive
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: line sees the quarterback stop his drop, gets his hands
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: in the air, knocks the ball on toughest.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: D lineman to block versus the run d end or
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: D Lineman, just d Lineman, D lineman.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Ted Washington thankfully, Kevin Why had the same thing. He's like, dude,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: nobody's four hundred ten pounds, Like, I don't know how
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: you move that guy. And most of it was blow
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: his chest, yes, blow the waist, blow the chest, and
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: so God would kind of hang down between his knees.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: You weren't getting under that. Guys that I actually blocked.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Holod Nada would be the next guy think about, because
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: when you saw him on the goal line, it was
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: like you better run the other way or this is
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: not working, no matter if we got a double team
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: or not. He is three sixty. He gets off the
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: ball lightning quick, and he can put his head down
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and he's way stronger than any human being in the
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: stadium right now.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Ted Washington was my welcome to the NFL moment. Really,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I'd love to hear that he was.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: It was awful.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: In Chicago.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Absolutely hated Ted Washington. We I get I get I
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: get hayes, I get dumped in the shower, I get
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: taped up.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: They throw me in a coltel. Whatever. That's my haze.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I take it.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Whatever's cool.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: The next day, I go in our locker room and
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I had to go on our trainer equipment manager for something.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: And I try to leave and I.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Was like, sorry, guys, I didn't mean to come into
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: you know, the vet locker room. Sorry, I'll process. I'm
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: gonna go to a long way. So Olin steps in
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: front of one of the doors and I was like, oh,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: my fault, I'm gonna go the other way. So I
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: try to go a long way now now. So then
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Big Ted walks up and he was like, hey, you're
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: gonna get in his laundry bend and I'm gonna push
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: you around and you're gonna make noises like you're driving
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: a car. And I was like, so, my my manhood
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: kicked and I was just like, man, hell no, my
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: pride kicked in. And then all the other vests as.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Like, hey, look, look, look, look look at you the
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: little rook.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: So I'm just like, no, man, y'all got me yesterday, respectfully, sir,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Like I'm good, Like I'm not doing that. Y'all got
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: me yesterday with respect trying to be respectful. He's like,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: you're gonna get your chest and launch and I'm gonna
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: push you around. Thomas, I kid you not. I had
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: to think about my life. It was like I was
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: cause I was finna crash. I was like, hey, I'm
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: a man first, but I had to swallow my pride.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm the new guy. I shouldn't have
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: come in here. So I literally get in this laundry
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: band and he pushes me around the locker room and
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I have to make these sounds and he is like
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: ramming it in the walls. He's ramming it in the
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: lockers and everyone is laughing. It was so embarrassing. So
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: then he squats down and he picks up the laundry
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: with me in it with some clothes too, picks me
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: up and then he just throws it me the close
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: the bind We fly across the room. I rolled over
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: and I was like, appreciate it, big Ted, thanks, and
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I go out and I went all the other rookies
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: and they're like, where was you at?
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Fool?
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, big Ted trip it. And then I,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: you know, I explained it to him, and then like
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: literally like the next day or a week later, he
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: got traded to the New England Patriots, and I was like,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: thank god, I was so happy. But he went on
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: and he got a Super Bowl ring, so it kind
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: of worked out for.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I had a real brief welcome to the NFL moment
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: with Ted, and it was right after I got drafted.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I was there taking a tour of the building and
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you know, like after you get there, you got a
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: scout taking around or whatever, just showing you locker room,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: equipment room, whatever. And Ted's standing there at the door
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: to the locker room and I was like, oh, I'm
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: trying to be nicely. Hey, nice to meet you. I'm Joe.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: And he looked at me like this. He was like,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: don't touch me, rookie, and I just kept walking. I was.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm surprised you even talk to you.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: We had on our team.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: He'd be like, Hey, tell the rookie Joe that he
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: needs to go get some whatever. And then the ve black, Hey,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: rook Ted said you need to go do it, and
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: you'd be like right there. But Ted would not talk
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: to you for a whole year. He just would not
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: talk to you, and he was just like, like, I
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: was so happy when.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: They get this is like old school too, like he
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: was he was an old school Yeah, yeah, an old
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: school Vets And when we came in, it was probably
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: more guys that were like, you know, ten eleven twelve
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: year guys that have been in the NFL versus now
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: you don't have as many ten twelve year guys just
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: in locker rooms that were around or raised by ten
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: twelve fourteen year guys. So that part of it is
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: just completely different, and it's pretty entertaining. I mean, that
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: was a good story. Peenis was it was Ted Washing.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I ain't seen a minute, but again, Ted, you got
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: me Ted, it was I respect it.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I respect I read another article and you talked about
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: how important it is for offensive alignment to have ankle mobility.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Cause you explain why that's so important for the offensive
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: lignment position.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: So a lot of people think knees hips that's where
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you need to bend, but really, as alignment, to be
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: able to create force through the ground, you got to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: have your heel in the ground. Yeah, like you're squatting, right,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: you don't squat on your toes otherwise. Now, or when
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: you're running, Like, if your ankles are tight and they're
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: flexed right, they don't absorb that energy and you're able
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to spring off of them. So if your heels are
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: in the ground and you're able to bend your ankles,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the further you can get your knee over your toe
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: is the more power you're able to create. And that's
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the most important thing as an offensive alignment. Be able
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to create that power, that starting strength that you got
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: to have, and then as you're past protecting, being able
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: to stick your heels in the ground, take a stand
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: when you're being bull rushed, and then having that mobility
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: in your ankles to be lower than the that's trying
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: to beat you.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, So let's own a transition this conversation into the
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: second act. Hands how we got the name info Player
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: second X podcast. So have this amazing career, Hall of
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Fame career comes to an end, you have the transition
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: you do something else outside of football.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: How did you.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Get into the farming space?
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Where did that?
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Where did that come from?
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Not exactly sure. I grew up in Brookfield, Wisconsin, which
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: is a suburb of Milwaukee. I drove past farms, but
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: it was never a farmer. And I had grandparents great
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: grandparents that were on the farm, but like no direct
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: relative that was a farmer. But I was always a
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: country boy. I grew up getting dirty and going fishing
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and hunting and camping with my family. That's just kind
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: of what we did. So I always dreamed of owning
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: a piece of land that I could take the family
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: and friends too someday and make memories. Go camp, go fish,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: go hunt, do those things. So in twenty twelve I
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: bought a farm and then we were raising cash crop.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: But that's not crazy because I wasn't the one riding
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: the tractor. I'd hired that out.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: When you bought this farm or the land, Oh how
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: big is the land?
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: How much land do you have?
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: That's a personal question. Okay, big enough to get lost, Okay,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: big enough to get lost.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: But is everything already done or you just you have
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: to Like you bought the farm from another person. Is
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: everything kind of set up for you already? Or do
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: you have this like star from scratch.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: It's it's set up, But there's always a ton of
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: stuff you want to do, Like you move into somebody's house,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: like you're thinking about I'd like to change this reatt
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that they rip out the shrubs here and do things
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: like that. So I always liked working on the farm
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and like getting dirty. And I've been buying all the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: equipment to skidloaders and the excavators and the tractors and
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: stuff because I always wanted to be able to do
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that myself. Yeah, but when I bought it, I was
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: in the middle of a plane in the NFL still,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: so I didn't have that time.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: To do it.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: So we hired a lot of that out. So it
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: wasn't until twenty eighteen that I ended up getting into
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: cattle and on the advice of my children and my
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: wife who said, Daddy, wouldn't it be fun if we
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: have pet cows at the farm. And I was like,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: oh my god, how am I going to have time
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: for this. I don't know anything about raising cattle. But
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: then I was like, Okay, I love to eat beef.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I can't eat my other pets. So these are a
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: great option for getting the kids more pets because I'm
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: going to make them happy. We're going to get some
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: cows out in the farm, and then at the end
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: of the day, we're gonna have some delicious beef that
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: we know how it was raised, we know what it ate,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and I know that this is probably the healthiest, most
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: nutritious beef that I could possibly feed family and friends.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: So I was all on board and kind of took
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: off from there.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: And you brought up something you talked about fishing, And
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: I want to know this because I've never got to
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: sit down and talk to you, but you had one
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: of the coolest draft, Like you were one of the
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: first guys that like like you were fishing when you
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: got the call. Like I remember this very vividly, like
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: watching your draft process and you're like fishing, like knowing
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: that you were going to be Why did you decide
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: that that's what you were going to do, knowing that
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: you're probably going to get called very early?
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Well, because my dad and I would go fishing every
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Saturday morning as a kid growing up. We'd go out
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: in Lake Michigan and go salm and fishing, wake up
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: at like three am, and get out in the water
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: by five. And that was our tradition. That's what we did,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that's what I love to do. And this was back
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: when the draft was just two days and start Saturday morning,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and so my agent told me like, hey, you know,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the NFL wants you to come to the draft in
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: New York, and I respectfully told them, but I'm going
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: to be fishing with my dad, so it's going to
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: be hard to be in two places at one time.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And I really never wavered from that because the draft
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: was starting to become a big deal, but they still
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: only invited five guys at the time, And for me,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I was not a flashy guy looking to buy a
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: new suit and go to the draft. Like I didn't
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: have dreams as a kid of the moment of me
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: being on stage being drafted, Like I dreamed of playing
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: in the NFL, like a lot of kids would play football.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: But to me, that wasn't the game. That wasn't my goal.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: That was just finding the answers to the test, finding
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: out how you did, and then figure out where's my
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: next team going to be. So it wasn't an event
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: for me that I've all always wanted to be at
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and I'd much rather go fishing with my dad.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: So you talked about a dream to play in the NFL.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Was it a dream to be beyond just being in
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: the NFL? And what was that dream?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: So I went to school for business. I was in
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the real estate program at Wisconsin, and so I kind
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: of always thought that I maybe played college football after
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I was already there, and then go work in commercial
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: real estate or some type of business. I didn't really
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: have a concrete idea exactly what I wanted to do,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: but I was always getting ready for that moment because
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I never looked too far into the future and thought, oh, yeah,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to play in the NFL. I don't have
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to worry about this stuff. When I was in college,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I just loved being in Madison. I mean, it was
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: a number one party school a few times when I
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: was there, and I had great friends, great teammates. I
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: love playing for the Badgers. I was in Madison. We
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: got lakes all over the place, so I'd go fishing
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: on my days off, and I just really loved where
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I was, and so I never really thought too far
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: down the line about you know, what's next. And it
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: really wasn't even until the end of my junior year
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: when scouts started asking me if I was gonna come
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: out for the NFL draft, until I realized, like, oh man,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I might have an ability to keep doing this thing
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: for a little while.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: It was kind of his story by him telling me
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: that reminds me of you when we were talking one day.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: My story is I always wanted to play in the NFL,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Like I thought about it all the time. I knew
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I was gonna get drafted. I worked so hard for it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Freshman sophomore, took these classes like I had a plan.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I'd set out a goal if in order to get drafted,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: here's what the things and steps that I have to do.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: You and I were talking one day, and you go, man,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: it wasn't until I was.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Going to my senior senior year.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I was on All American and we went to it
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: was a playball All America and then you read a
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: stat or you read a little blurb of one of
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: the scouts. It was like, oh, yeah, Roome blah blah blah,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: he could be a second round pick, and you were like, damn,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I could probably play it.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: I was like you, I was just enjoying my college lifestyle.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: I was just doing my thing.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: And I think that to me that that's crazy to
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: think to not think that you two were as good
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: as you were at the respective schools that you went to.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: And I went to a I don't want to say
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: a terrible school, but we just didn't have a really
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: good program at the time, and that was the only
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: thing I thought about, was just like leaving school and
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: making it to the league and y'all had resources and
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: equipment and I mean y'all, just y'all had really good
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: programs and facilities. But it was just like, no, I
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: just I'm enjoying my time and I like where I
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: am and it's it's a good space, and like I
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: just couldn't. Yeah, just I'm it's weird, weird to me.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: For me, I was always like, no matter what happens next,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: it's not going to change what I'm doing today, Like
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I'm still going to go out and practice as hard
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: as I can, train as hard as I can. Like
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: it's different maybe now in the NIL space where you
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: need agents and you need people to contract advisors and
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: things like that. Back then, it was like I don't
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: even want to talk to any agents, Like I just
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: want to play as well as I can right now,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: enjoy it, and then we'll see what happens when it's
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: all said and done. But if I worry about what's
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: happening two three years from now, it might affect what
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I'm doing right now, and I'm not going to focus
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: on being the best team at the night right right.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: So one of the things that you and I have
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: in common, you had one winning season your entire time
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: in Cleveland. You came from a winning program at Wisconsin
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: or Wisconsin. Yeah, you have a winning season. You know
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: what a successful winning program looks like. And then you
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: come to Cleveland and then it's just lost after loss
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: after loss. How mentally tough was it to stay engaged
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: and still perform at a high level while still having.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: A looking season. It's weird as a alignment, maybe similar
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to being a dB that like, it doesn't really matter
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: what the score is. It doesn't really matter what your
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: record is. Like, I got to block that guy that
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Terrell Suggs over there that wants to rip my quarterback
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: in half. I better help my buddy out back there,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: because it's gonna get really ugly. And so I never
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: really looked at the score. Losing sucks, Don't get me wrong.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: It was really really tough to be on all those
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: losing teams and to be in the game in the
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter when you're down by twenty and you're thinking
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: about situations like Okay, well we're in the two minute
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: drill for the last part of the game all fourth quarter.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: But it was in my mind it was like, all right,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: how do I handle this situation. I was always trying
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: to think about it like that rather than thinking about, oh, man,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't this suck. I can't believe we're losing again. But
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: it did wear on me quite a bit, especially towards
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the end, because we were kind of making a run
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: in the middle of my career when Brian Hoyer was
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: our quarterback, Kyle Shannon was our offensive coordinator. We went
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: seven and nine, we were in the playoff mix for
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: a little while, and then after that we just had
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: even worse season after worst season, and you saw that
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I was getting close to ten eleven years in the NFL.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Looking at the roster, I don't think we're going to
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: do it, you know, And that one really kind of
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: wore on you, because as a competitor, I think you're
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: always convincing yourself, this is how we're going to win
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: this game. Yeah, right, You're going in that game with
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: confidence because that's how you have to be to get
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the most out of yourself. We're gonna win the season.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: That's why you trained so hard in the off season, right,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and so when you constantly are fooling yourself like that,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: it wears on you after a while.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Did you ever think about not being in Cleveland?
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I never did. There was a couple of times. There's
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: a couple of times when teams had inquired about trading
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: for me, and there was rumors in the media. The
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: year the Broncos won the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning loss
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: has left tackle Ryan Clady, who was a Pro Bowler,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: and everybody in Denver knew that they were Super Bowl contenders,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and so they were really trying hard. They almost had
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: a deal done right before the trade deadline to trade
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: for me. But I always loved Cleveland. I always felt
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: like I was a Cleveland or you know, my three
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: of my four kids are born there. It's the Midwest.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: My dad's family's all from Ohio, and as soon as
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I got there, like I mentioned, like, it just felt
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: like home to me. And I really wanted to always
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: be part of the turnaround because I thought that story
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: would be so special.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Did you because it kind of sounds like me I was.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I was born in Chicago, got drafted by Chicago all
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: my family and friends. I was born, you know, ten
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: minutes from the stadium. They all my relatives, They still
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: all my aunties, kem folks, they all still live in
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the city. I played my twelve years. But I was
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: scared to leave because I got so comfortable. And then
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: when I finally went to clear excuse me, I finally
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: went to Charlotte, it was like a breath of fresh air,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: and it was just like, man, I should have left
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: two years ago. I shouldn't have re upped. I should
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: have just hit free agency and just but and I
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: know we didn't have a good team, and I knew
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: we were in the rebuilt phase. But I was such
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: a staple guy and I just was I personally was scared.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I was comfortable. Do you think you were just too
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: comfortable and just didn't want to go.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that feeling comfortable is maybe part of it,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: because feeling comfortable playing really high level football, like that's
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: what you want to do as a lineman. But also
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I just felt a deep connection to the organization, and
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I felt that I was like a servant to the
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: organization a little bit, where I want this thing to
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: turn around because it would mean so much to these people,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: to these fans who I felt like had given me
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: a lot, and same thing with the organization. And so
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: even at the end, even like the last year year
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: and a half, when I just knew we weren't very good,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I put the perspective in my mind, like I can
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: be here helping these young dudes that maybe can be
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: the team that turns it around and wins a championship.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: So that was sort of my motivation there right at
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the end. I mean, we drafted Miles Garrett number one
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: overall my last season, and it was like, Okay, how
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: can I help him become the greatest defensive end in football?
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: How can I help Joel Botonio, who's my left guard?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: How can I help David and Joku who is our
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: rookie tight end? Like I was thinking about, how can
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I help those guys and build a foundation with culture,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: with attitude, with leadership and showing these guys the right
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: way to be a professional that maybe then they're the
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: group turns it around, and then I can feel good
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: in my own little way like when they do win
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: it all, when they do turn it around, that I
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: was there in the beginning, made you made that your
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: mission exactly. I want to talk about you about your media. Yeah,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: so you retire, you go straight into.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: It, Like how was that transition, how did that happen
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: so fast? And ultimately how much did you like or
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: love it or hate it.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: It's a little like the story of me getting into
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: my farm and Six Springs Farms. Like I didn't really
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: ever set out to be in the media. Yeah, most
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: people don't be a farmer. Yeah, it kind of found
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: me because when I retired, I didn't really have a
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: clear idea of what I wanted to do. I knew
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of interest and passions, but you're
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: not putting anything into all those when you're playing, because
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: you're putting every bit of energy that you have into
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: your job into being a great professional football player. But
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: my agent, Peter Schaeffer at the time kind of really
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: pushed me and encouraged me and said, hey, you know what,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I've got a lot of me outlets that are asking
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: for you to just come out an audition, like there's
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: no pressure, just go out, do a couple of shows
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and just see if you like it. And he always
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: gave me really good advice throughout my career. I had
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of trust in his opinion on things, and
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: so I was like, I might as well at least
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: go out there and take a few auditions and see
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: if I like because how do I know if I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: like or I don't like something unless I try it. Yeah,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: I like that? Did you like it? I did? Actually,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I really enjoyed it because I realized, like,
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  Speaker 1: as soon as I retired and I was away from
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  Speaker 1: the game, how much I love football, Which is kind
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  Speaker 1: of weird because when you're doing it, it's just such
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  Speaker 1: a grind. Every day is exactly the same, and you're
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: you get in your routine and you're just grumpy a lot,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: especially you get older. But like it's comfortable. Yeah I'm
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: grumpy and I'm comfortable. Just what you do, just how
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  Speaker 1: you do it. That's how you get it done. It's
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: how you go out and practice and be the best
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: version of yourself. But as soon as you're away from
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the game, you're like, man, I need football as a
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: part of my life. Yes, I know coaching is not
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: the answer because I want to have a little balance
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  Speaker 1: between work and life. I got these young kids, I
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: got a farm, I got a lot of things I
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: like to do, So how do I stay around the game?
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: How do I still get an excuse to leave the
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: family and go watch a game on the sideline? Yea,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: and media was the perfect outlet for that.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: It is. I just like it because it allows us
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: to love the game, but it doesn't control our emotions
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  Speaker 3: with wins losses.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Joe Thomas has had an amazing life, completely successful on
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  Speaker 2: the field off the field. If you had to pick
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: four people that have helped you shaped you into the
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: man you are today and you got your own personal
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore, who would those four people be.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I'd say my dad first, right. He gave me the
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: values that I still am trying to instill in my children,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: The relationship that we had, you know, the interests that
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I have being outside fishing, hunting, camping, like how to
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: treat my kids, my family, how I'm trying try to
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: be considerate and caring to the people around me, being
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: a servant in my community. Those are things from my dad.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: George Warhop he was my offensive line coach that I
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: had for a long time in Cleveland. Multiple head coaches,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: they always kept him because he was such a great
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: offensive line coach. Really taught me a lot about like discipline,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: and structure and technique and the details, so I really
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: owe a lot to him. I'd say my son, Jack,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: who has been a big part of just who I'm
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: trying to become and trying to be as a father
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: and making sure that I can give him the same
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: type of upbringing that my dad gave to me. So
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: that's three and four. I'd have to say my wife.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a legal answer. She was
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: definitely my rock when I was playing, and she was
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: the person that I leaned on when I was struggling
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: mentally with the losses and the feelings sometimes of hopelessness
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: that you get when you're on a team that's not
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: doing very well. And she's also been a good balance
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: when I'm like, go, go go, let's go, let's do this,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: let's do this, like I'm gonna take this job and
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: take that job, and I'm gonna travel all over the
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: place like doing media, and she's like, Hey, you're retired now.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Your kids and your family they should be the priority.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: So make sure that you cut out plenty of time
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: for them, because when you were playing, you didn't have
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: that time to be able to spend with the family,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: and so make sure you do that right now and
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: you don't over commit yourself to other things.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Joe, what you brought up your wife and I love that.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: I want to know one piece of advice that she
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: did give you that sticks with you when you were
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: struggling with some of the mental stuff and things of
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: that nature.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: She was really the one person that would say, hey,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: just talk to me about it. I don't have to
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: solve your problems because I'm the problem solver. Like if
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: she's got problems, she comes to me. She doesn't like
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: that because I'm like, all right, let's fix this. All right,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do that.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: They don't want that.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so she saw she saw that I was
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: the guy that was always trying to fix it and
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: in this situation, it's not fixable. And maybe I needed
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: to take her perspective sometimes on the problem of hey,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: just talk to me, Just allow the emotions to come out,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: tell me why it's making you feel that way, and
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: then we don't have to say anything else. When it's
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: all over, you're gona feel a lot better about it.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: And so just having that person that was always that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: that rock when you felt like you were sort of
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: crumbling inside was really really important.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: That's all I like it. I like that.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Woy Joe, You're off the hot seat, baby, that's it.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: It wasn't too hot for he was.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: It wasn't too bad. I can survive that. We're going
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: to get some of that the Hall of Fame beef.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: They don't have to get you guys some because we
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: raised one full blood Japanese Woggi beef.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: We raise American waggu that's like the A five stuff
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: you pay like, yeah, fifty bucks an ounce for like
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: at the Vegas steakhouses. Yeah yeah uh. And then we
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: raise certified angus. So we raised some awesome, awesome, high
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: quality animals and beef sticks jerky for the kids, Like yes,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: they go bananas. My wife puts them in their lunches
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: and that's a good snack because it's so hard to
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: get kids eat protein. That's what I've found. They all
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: they want to do is eat chips, popcorn.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Wasted is wasted calories, wasted couch.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And the kids are all athletes, so it's like, hey,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: you need protein. It's a building block of the cell.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Let's go, you know. And so we finally found that
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: way that we can get that protein in throughout the day,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: and turns out we just had to buy them some
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: pet cows and then we had to eat them. I
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: like it. I like it.
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