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10-5 H3: Monday Morning QB with Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 2: Oh, happy Monday to you all. It is Chuck Powell,
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Speaker 2: Anders Hurst. That's right, Christopher Kidd worked so hard. Four
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Speaker 2: straight days without rest. Four work days. Actually, with rest.
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Speaker 2: Four straight days with rest. An entire weekend. But he
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Speaker 2: needed the day off. I guess so, man. You know,
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Speaker 2: that's how demanding Anders and I are at this new show.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just built different. Uh, great to have you
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Speaker 2: and of course the stars of our Monday, uh, coverage, uh,
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Speaker 2: Greg Bell, our Seahawks insider we've already spoken to at
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Speaker 2: of the marquee is our QB one. He is here
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Speaker 2: for our Monday morning quarterback session, his analysis, his deep dives.
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Speaker 2: Hugh Millen is with us. Good morning, sir. Good morning.
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Speaker 3: Uh, all right.
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Speaker 2: Well, we got a lot to discuss, uh, here today. Um,
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Speaker 2: and we can go a lot of different directions, but, um,
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Speaker 2: First and foremost, what pops for you after this 30-23
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Speaker 2: win for the Seahawks over the Chargers?
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Speaker 3: Well, I just think that you got the score to 27-6.
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Speaker 3: And if you're the team you want to be, it
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Speaker 3: should never get to that point where you're one drive
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Speaker 3: away from losing the football game. And so it's just
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Speaker 3: kind of a confluence of issues where they're close but
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Speaker 3: just not right and obviously clunky, frustrating as hell to
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Speaker 3: see all those penalties and of a nature that are correctable.
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Speaker 3: That's the good thing, many of them. But the win
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Speaker 3: probability when Seattle went up 27-6 and then on the
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Speaker 3: first down they get a three-yard loss and right before
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Speaker 3: Witherspoon throws a guy on the ground, I can't imagine
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Speaker 3: it had to be, you know, in the 85, 90
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Speaker 3: percentile to win that game. And, and it seemed from there.
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Speaker 2: You.
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Speaker 3: Know, the Chargers kind of did more to win the
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Speaker 3: game than the Seahawks from that point on. And so
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Speaker 3: I think, I think this is a good week for
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Speaker 3: it to have happened because now you're three and one,
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Speaker 3: you've got an undefeated 49er team coming in and, I
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Speaker 3: think it's going to be a great atmosphere, and Seattle,
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Speaker 3: in an odd way, gets to play the underdog despite
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Speaker 3: having been the Super Bowl champion and pretty much smoked
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Speaker 3: the 49ers the last two games they played them. Psychologically,
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Speaker 3: if you get Leonard Williams back, I think the psychology
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Speaker 3: sets up pretty well. They cleaned things up. They played
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Speaker 3: with a lot better emotion, in my opinion, yesterday than
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Speaker 3: they did against the Commanders. That was a rare no-show
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Speaker 3: emotionally against commanders. So it's mostly fixable. There's some other concerns,
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Speaker 3: but that'd be my thought. It was just kind of, whoa,
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Speaker 3: good teams don't allow a winless team to crawl back
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Speaker 3: in like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, 30 penalties called in the game, 280 yards. 14
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Speaker 2: of those went against the Seahawks for 150 yards. Seven
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Speaker 2: 15-yard penalties called in the game, which obviously... led to
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Speaker 2: extended drives and certainly contributed to the Chargers getting back
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Speaker 2: into it. On the percentage pie, how much do you
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Speaker 2: blame on the goat herders and how much do you
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Speaker 2: blame on the goats?
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Speaker 3: Well, the goat herders certainly had their moments. I don't
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Speaker 3: understand this referee. I don't understand why your knickers have
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Speaker 3: to be up to your armpits. It seems like the
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Speaker 3: The hip is a good place for your trousers. But,
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Speaker 3: you know, I really got sick and tired of looking
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Speaker 3: at that guy. Yes. And yet, you know, if you
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Speaker 3: break it down, the majority of those out of 30,
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Speaker 3: the majority would obviously be, you know, call it 16
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Speaker 3: or more. Certainly the majority of them were actual fouls.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But there were enough– you know, enough head scratchers. I
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Speaker 3: don't think that, that when your linebacker runs down on the,
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Speaker 3: you know, on the, and has a great play and
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Speaker 3: punt coverage and Connor O'Toole, and, and, you know, you
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Speaker 3: just happened to touch helmets. You know, that that's, that's
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Speaker 3: grazing and incidental, I think is the use of the
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Speaker 3: term that the officials used. And, and so that shouldn't
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Speaker 3: have been a penalty. I don't think that the charger is,
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Speaker 3: I looked at the coach's tape from the sideline in
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Speaker 3: the end zone copy. I see next to no sign
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Speaker 3: of leveraging, so I think they kind of got screwed there.
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Speaker 3: But the majority of them, I think it would be
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Speaker 3: a mistake for the Seahawks to just be pointing at
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Speaker 3: the goaters and not taking accountability. I mean, that number
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Speaker 3: holds up a mirror. You better look at it and
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Speaker 3: learn and understand. I have no doubt that Mike McDonald will.
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Speaker 3: So at least the passion was back, normal Seahawk passion,
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Speaker 3: but now they've got to pair that with a little
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Speaker 3: common sense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll just ask one more big-picture question, and
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Speaker 2: then we'll start getting into specifics. I mean, it's back-to-back
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Speaker 2: weeks of different ways of being uncharacteristic, but uncharacteristic Mike
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Speaker 2: McDonald team play. And I don't know if that's being
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Speaker 2: world champions and getting a little loose with your focus
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Speaker 2: the next season, but to give up the touchdowns and
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Speaker 2: not feel goals against a commander's team that wasn't otherwise
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Speaker 2: moving the football against you last week and losing that game,
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Speaker 2: and then to allow the Chargers a chance to possibly
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Speaker 2: beat you in the fourth quarter after dominating them early
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Speaker 2: and letting penalties primarily get them back in the contest.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I thought... I just, I don't know, maybe
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Speaker 2: I just give McDonald too much credit, but I didn't
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Speaker 2: think we would see uncharacteristic football like this again. I
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Speaker 2: guess I'm just starting to take this organization for granted
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Speaker 2: under his leadership that we're just going to see good,
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Speaker 2: clean football all the time, good, smart football, and that
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Speaker 2: just hasn't been the case the last couple of weeks.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think from McDonald's standpoint, he'll say the
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Speaker 3: majority of those can be cleaned up. You know, there was...
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Speaker 3: There was some sloppiness in their run defense. I don't
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Speaker 3: think they built the wall the way they usually do
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Speaker 3: with the defensive line, just kind of controlling gaps and
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Speaker 3: making it hard for a running back to hit the
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Speaker 3: line full speed. They want to spill things to the outside.
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Speaker 3: I think there were some breakdowns in that regard. The
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Speaker 3: double teams kind of moved. There wasn't enough penetration and
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Speaker 3: movement and and and the filling of the gaps by
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Speaker 3: the front seven that's what their their hallmark is against
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Speaker 3: you know uh in any personnel group but i think
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Speaker 3: that mike mcdaniel's uh you know his he's trying to
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Speaker 3: win the medal for the most creativity and so there's
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Speaker 3: all kinds of motions and and and unusual blocking schemes
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Speaker 3: involving tight ends and guy you know encounters and and
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Speaker 3: what have you. So there's a lot to process when
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Speaker 3: you're going against his offense. And I think a few
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Speaker 3: times the Seahawks broke down in that regard. But mostly,
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Speaker 3: if you hold a quarterback to under 190 yards on
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Speaker 3: 31 attempts and get two interceptions and a 62 passer rating,
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Speaker 3: so Herbert was neither productive nor in a volume sense, again,
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Speaker 3: under 190 yards, only one touchdown. So he was neither
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Speaker 3: productive nor was he efficient, as evidenced by the relatively
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Speaker 3: low completion percentage and the two interceptions, the passer rating.
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Speaker 3: So all of that, that's a good sign. I just
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Speaker 3: think that that number there with the 4.6 average yards
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Speaker 3: per attempt, that's over a yard above last year's league-leading mark.
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Speaker 3: That would be the concern probably more than anything on
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Speaker 3: the defense.
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Speaker 2: Since you brought it up, I was going to bring
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Speaker 2: it up before, but I'll go ahead and do it
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Speaker 2: now since you brought it up about Mike McDaniel maybe
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Speaker 2: trying to go for the award of being the most creative.
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Speaker 2: There were times in the game where it looked like,
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Speaker 2: oh man, they are just jamming it down our throats.
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Speaker 2: Then he would throw in some wrinkled trick play that
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Speaker 2: it just felt so unnecessary at the time. And, and
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Speaker 2: I don't know if this has been the product all
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Speaker 2: season long and it explains why the chargers are rowing
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Speaker 2: for Jim Harbaugh defended him after the game. He's my,
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Speaker 2: he's my OC and he's not going to go anywhere.
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Speaker 2: But it just seemed like he picked some really odd
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Speaker 2: times to try and do trick plays in that contest yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he, he always does. And I think it's just,
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Speaker 3: Part of their M mode, they they feel like, Hey,
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Speaker 3: we can keep you on your heels a little bit. Um, but, uh, and, and, and,
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Speaker 3: and get you thinking and processing. So you can't come downhill.
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Speaker 3: I mean, their guards are really, really struggling. We talked
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Speaker 3: about that, uh, going into the Cardinal game, Chuck member when, when,
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Speaker 3: you know, cause I reviewed the tape and, And I,
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Speaker 3: you know, got off on a tangent about the charger
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Speaker 3: guards and, and then, and then promised to bring that
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Speaker 3: back up when the Seahawks actually played the chargers. And
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Speaker 3: we talked about it last, I think it was Friday
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Speaker 3: or no, no, no, sometime last week. And then, and then,
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Speaker 3: you know, that, that shows up. So I think he
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Speaker 3: probably feels like he's got to, you know, make up
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Speaker 3: for some things, you know, Slater and all, they have
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Speaker 3: great tackles, but then Slater's hurt. You got to back
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Speaker 3: up guard and Nwosu, uh, wins a backup guard playing
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Speaker 3: tackle and gets in a wide technique and ends the
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Speaker 3: football game. So I think that McDaniels does always say, hey,
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Speaker 3: those type of plays are always on the precipice. We've
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Speaker 3: got to do some eye candy stuff to keep the
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Speaker 3: defense off balance. But you look at the interceptions that
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Speaker 3: Herbert threw, those are just– almost unexplicable that a guy
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Speaker 3: who's played that much football just rears back and throws
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Speaker 3: into the middle of a zone coverage and unaware of
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Speaker 3: where the hook zone defenders are. The hooks on are
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Speaker 3: the shallow inside defenders. And, you know, in the first
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Speaker 3: case it was, it was Blake Thomas and then it
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Speaker 3: was Ernest Jones and, and they were both manning the
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Speaker 3: same similar type of zones. And that was different concepts that,
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Speaker 3: The Chargers were trying to hit, but it's still of, whoa,
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Speaker 3: the guy right in the middle of the defense, his
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Speaker 3: own defender, he's going to an area. And Herbert's the
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Speaker 3: tallest quarterback in the league. So a lot of us
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Speaker 3: in town here, we talk about, hey, what can DeMond
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Speaker 3: Williams see or not see? Well, there's no discussion about
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Speaker 3: that with Herbert.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: And for him to, you know, the first play, they
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Speaker 3: get a nine-step drop off play action. That's very, you know,
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Speaker 3: long and deep. And then, you know, you just got
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Speaker 3: to rise up and allows the defense to kind of
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Speaker 3: get set. And then Herbert just throws right to him.
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Speaker 3: So in that sense, you credit Seattle for being in
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Speaker 3: the right spot, I guess. But, you know, you forced
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Speaker 3: what had been considered an elite quarterback, And he hasn't
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Speaker 3: been playing like it this year. He's trying to adjust
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Speaker 3: to McDaniel. That's why I kind of brought it up
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Speaker 3: in tangent. The marriage of Mike McDaniels and his offense,
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Speaker 3: which there's a primacy on anticipatory throws. And Tuatago Lavoie,
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Speaker 3: that one year that they led the NFL in passing yards,
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Speaker 3: he really did excel at that. And so now you're asking...
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Speaker 3: Herbert to be anticipatory in ways he never has had
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Speaker 3: to be. Cause he could see he's got this rocket
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Speaker 3: arm and if he's a tits late, he can just
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Speaker 3: blast it through a window, even though it's tight. Uh,
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Speaker 3: whereas to tag of a law, he needs to throw
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Speaker 3: it early into that window before the defense gets set and,
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Speaker 3: and are in a position to, uh, to react either way.
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Speaker 3: And so it's just a different brand of quarterbacking really
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Speaker 3: Mike McDaniels at the, the success for him has been
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Speaker 3: a one-off. It was that one year with Tua and
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Speaker 3: a healthy Tyreek Hill and Waddle and all those playmakers.
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Speaker 3: And they were doing that, that what at the time
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Speaker 3: was a revolutionary motion where they would just go start
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Speaker 3: the inside slot receiver would go straight sideways in motion
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Speaker 3: for like a split second. And you'd almost say, well,
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Speaker 3: that's a false start. Well, if he's going sideways, it's
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Speaker 3: not a false start, but it was a, it, it, it,
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Speaker 3: it was, they snapped the ball right after that. And
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Speaker 3: this was real. I remember on the, with the 30, 13,
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Speaker 3: there was a lot of discussion about this, this new,
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Speaker 3: like this, uh, uh, fast motion to the side. And
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Speaker 3: so there was a portion of them that was innovative
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Speaker 3: and it, and teams had a hard time adapting, uh,
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Speaker 3: hell yesterday that, um, amen, worry. They were in, in
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Speaker 3: man to man, right? Eamon worries running in motion with
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Speaker 3: 15 and they snap it right before they, they get
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Speaker 3: to the, the, uh, the receiver and between Weatherspoon and
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Speaker 3: Eamon worry, they miscommunication and they get to two guys
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Speaker 3: covering one and then nobody covering the other. And they
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Speaker 3: give up a third down coral route to 12 yards.
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Speaker 3: You know, that would be an example of how McDaniels
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Speaker 3: with his motions. And if everything is working precise, they can,
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Speaker 3: cause some mix-up. They certainly did on that play with
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Speaker 3: Eamon Worry and Witherspoon in their communication. And actually, it
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Speaker 3: might have been Job. I know it was Witherspoon going
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Speaker 3: in motion with 15. But in any event, the guy
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Speaker 3: that ultimately, rather, Eamon Worry came back to cover was
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Speaker 3: on the curl route, but it was a 12-yard completion
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Speaker 3: on third down and a conversion there. So There's times
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Speaker 3: where McDaniel's stuff works. It just hasn't worked often. And
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Speaker 3: it really, for the most part, didn't yesterday because, as
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Speaker 3: I said, under 190 yards passing.
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Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Do you buy my theory that Justin Herbert doesn't
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Speaker 2: play well until he gets injured in a game? And
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Speaker 2: then when he gets injured twice, he plays great. It's unreal.
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Speaker 2: I mean, when he hung out with your son before
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Speaker 2: they went out, did your son smack him over the
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Speaker 2: hand with a hammer just so he would have his
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Speaker 2: A game when he went and talked to the ladies
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Speaker 2: that night?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Amanda Beard just gave him a little spank. Uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, before they go out, um, now, you know, so, uh, yeah,
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Speaker 3: didn't it, it looked, it looked like his rip was broken.
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Speaker 2: It might've been one. And that's why he played so
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Speaker 2: great down the stretch.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: No, he has, he's a tough dude. Yeah, for sure.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no denying that. I mean, that guy's
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Speaker 2: unbelievably tough. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And he's a giant of a man, you know, he's six,
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Speaker 3: all the six, seven, and I don't know, I'm two,
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Speaker 3: two forties, you know, and, and, And a very good athlete,
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Speaker 3: all stayed in three sports. Sheldon High School, I believe,
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Speaker 3: in Eugene. Yeah, for a big man, he can move
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Speaker 3: fairly well. I would say he's faster than he is quick.
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Speaker 3: But he's got a rocket arm, and he's done a
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Speaker 3: lot of damage in this league. He just hasn't done
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Speaker 3: it much with Mike McDaniels. So I think it was
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Speaker 3: probably a good time to catch them. They didn't have
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Speaker 3: Derwin James. Their offense is still trying to roll. And
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Speaker 3: at some point, you know, and then it was probably
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Speaker 3: also lucky that Slater, their left tackle, their highly paid
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Speaker 3: $ 100 million left tackle wasn't in the game when Nuoso
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Speaker 3: ended the game on the forced fumble.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they lost three offensive linemen during the course of
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Speaker 2: the game. Alt and then Penning and then Slater there
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Speaker 2: at the end. Have you ever seen interceptions on the
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Speaker 2: first two plays of a game? And then let's get
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Speaker 2: to Sam's pick there early here in this segment. And
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Speaker 2: what on earth did he see or didn't see?
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Speaker 3: Well, you're going to play action and you're trying to,
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Speaker 3: they were trying to get Rashid Shaheed on a comeback
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Speaker 3: out on the left side. So Rashid starts on the
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Speaker 3: left side and it's what's called a quarters coverage. So
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Speaker 3: there's four deep. And so, the corner out there would
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Speaker 3: have help had it gone to a skinny post. So
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Speaker 3: an in breaking route. So he's, he's in an outside
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Speaker 3: leverage in a position to, to defend an out breaking
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Speaker 3: route a little bit. Ideally you'd say, well, he would,
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Speaker 3: he would be, he would be more concerned about the
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Speaker 3: nine route, the go route. And if, if there's a critique,
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Speaker 3: cause I just love watching Rashid, Rashid run, you know, the, the, that,
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Speaker 3: That touchdown was a thing of beauty. Just how graceful
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Speaker 3: he is. He's just so buttery smooth when he runs.
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Speaker 3: And he is really moving, right? And put a martini
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Speaker 3: glass on his helmet and it's not going to spill.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's the best in that regard. But if
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Speaker 3: you were to grade, and this is a really important
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Speaker 3: thing that I learned playing quarterback in the NFL that
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Speaker 3: I don't think is often talked about. And it's how
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Speaker 3: fast can you slow down? I played with Irving Fryer.
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Speaker 3: I loved Irving. Got him his first 1,000-yard season, I think,
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Speaker 3: in year eight, my first year with him. He was
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Speaker 3: the number one overall pick out of Nebraska. So if
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Speaker 3: you're the number one overall pick in the draft as
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Speaker 3: a wide receiver, you know you've got some traits, right?
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 3: And so he had acceleration. He had speed, a lot
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Speaker 3: of great things. But it took him a long time
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Speaker 3: to slow down. I played with, you know, I don't
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Speaker 3: know if you remember the name Henry Ellard.
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Speaker 2: Oh, sure.
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Speaker 3: You know, his nickname was Ham.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Henry Ellard, man, that dude could drop his hips and
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Speaker 3: he could stop on, you know, the proverbial stop on
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Speaker 3: a dime. How fast you can stop is a big
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Speaker 3: time facet in really all positions. How fast can a,
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Speaker 3: can a safety stop? How fast can a corner stop?
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Speaker 3: You know, and, And for a wide receiver, you're trying
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Speaker 3: to sell that go route. And then on a comeback, you're,
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Speaker 3: you're trying to, you want to, you want to take
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Speaker 3: as few steps as possible. And I would just say,
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Speaker 3: that Shahid with with all that beautiful athleticism you know
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Speaker 3: it takes him a while to slow down and so
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Speaker 3: he's covered and then Darnold uh you know he throws
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Speaker 3: out there's no question he didn't he didn't see the
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Speaker 3: defender the defender had lined up on the line of
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Speaker 3: scrimmage and a lot of times in quarters coverage which
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Speaker 3: it was You play an over front, which means the
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Speaker 3: defensive line shifts to the strong side, which allows three
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Speaker 3: off-ball linebackers, the three underneath guys, to be off the
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Speaker 3: ball at the snap. Well, the guy who had the
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Speaker 3: flat was on the line of scrimmage, so it's easier
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Speaker 3: to lose him, particularly when you go play action. You
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Speaker 3: put your back to the defense, and now you don't
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Speaker 3: find him. Christian Haynes took an L on that one
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Speaker 3: and so he was rushed and he just threw it
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Speaker 3: out there blindly and clearly never saw the defender. It's
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Speaker 3: a bad interception. I'm not going to absolve Sam Darnold.
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Speaker 3: First play of the game, he just got the turnover.
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Speaker 3: You can't not see the guy. Yes, it happens, but
21:00
Speaker 3: what also happens is you turn around and say, well,
21:03
Speaker 3: that can't happen. And And you making that decision really
21:11
Speaker 3: could have been the difference in the game. You say, well,
21:13
Speaker 3: how could it be the difference in the game? It's
21:15
Speaker 3: the first play. Well, if you play a close game
21:17
Speaker 3: and you lose by three points, everything matters. And an
21:23
Speaker 3: interception like that certainly could have mattered and affect the
21:29
Speaker 3: momentum and what have you. So I don't think Sam
21:31
Speaker 3: Darnold would say anything other than, my bad, that's a
21:34
Speaker 3: bad play by National Football League standards.
21:36
Speaker 2: Hugh Mellon is with us. Our QB1, it's our Monday
21:38
Speaker 2: morning quarterback session. Seahawks 30-23 winners over the Los Angeles
21:42
Speaker 2: Chargers yesterday to move to 3-1 on the season. But
21:45
Speaker 2: so much to analyze. We're just scratching the surface right now.
21:49
Speaker 2: So we'll dive further into this one next with our QB1,
21:53
Speaker 2: Sports Radio 93.3, KJRFM. So much to discuss from this game.
22:00
Speaker 2: We have pretty much just gotten out of the gates
22:03
Speaker 2: here with Hugh Millen, and so a lot to evaluate. Hugh,
22:08
Speaker 2: we spent the tail end of the first segment kind
22:11
Speaker 2: of talking about Rashid Shahid a little bit and his
22:14
Speaker 2: role in that interception that Sam Darnold threw at the
22:18
Speaker 2: beginning of the game. But what about the role that
22:21
Speaker 2: he played in the ground game? Two different carries, including
22:24
Speaker 2: a 28-yard touchdown run what did you think of the
22:28
Speaker 2: use of Shahid as a tailback in the game yesterday?
22:31
Speaker 3: Well, I thought it was great, very innovative. And, and
22:35
Speaker 3: when you're trying to be a wide zone team and
22:38
Speaker 3: that's your bread and butter, uh, and you don't have
22:43
Speaker 3: the speed. I mean, Jadarian price is a guy like,
22:46
Speaker 3: like this is a very important part of the game.
22:50
Speaker 3: Just look, break it fundamentally down before we, um, get
22:54
Speaker 3: granular on that touchdown. It, If you just say in
22:58
Speaker 3: any capacity, at any level, youth, high school, college, pro,
23:04
Speaker 3: regardless of what block is taking place. Football is fundamentally
23:08
Speaker 3: blocking and tackling, right? If you had a block, just
23:12
Speaker 3: understand the best chance for the offense to execute the
23:18
Speaker 3: block is if it doesn't take a long time. The
23:21
Speaker 3: best chance for the defense is when it takes a
23:23
Speaker 3: long time. Like the longer the defender has... to get
23:27
Speaker 3: off the block, eventually all defenders are going to get
23:31
Speaker 3: off of all blocks, essentially. Does that make sense? And
23:35
Speaker 3: so now when we say, okay, if you just take
23:38
Speaker 3: that as an axiom and you say, okay, how do
23:41
Speaker 3: we work that into real football? There's a timing, and
23:47
Speaker 3: every fraction of a second counts. And you had Kenneth Walker,
23:51
Speaker 3: he had the second-fastest 10 yard split of all running
23:57
Speaker 3: backs in over like a 12 year period of the combine.
23:59
Speaker 3: His first 10 yards of his 40 yard dash, his
24:02
Speaker 3: first 10, 1.50. And what, what happens if you're trying
24:09
Speaker 3: to get wide, if you're AJ Barner and you're those tackles,
24:14
Speaker 3: then you're saying, Hey, come on, come on, let's get
24:18
Speaker 3: the ball here because I don't want to have to
24:20
Speaker 3: block this defensive end for one hundredth of a second
24:25
Speaker 3: longer than I want, than I need to. Right. And
24:28
Speaker 3: so when you, when you don't have the speed at
24:31
Speaker 3: running back, now all of a sudden those guys on
24:33
Speaker 3: those edge schemes, when there's a term with zone blocking
24:38
Speaker 3: and it can be used in, in a lot of
24:40
Speaker 3: different contexts, but a lot of, a lot of times
24:42
Speaker 3: you'd say, Hey, you'd say Abe Lucas, you and Barner,
24:47
Speaker 3: you guys are zoning the end to the Sam backer.
24:51
Speaker 3: That's the first level guy to the second. And you say, well,
24:54
Speaker 3: what does zoning mean? It's just how you're defining the
24:57
Speaker 3: double team. Who has the double team? And who are
25:01
Speaker 3: the offensive guys that have the double team? And who
25:04
Speaker 3: are you double teaming? And so you say, Abe, you
25:07
Speaker 3: and Barner, you guys are going to zone the end
25:11
Speaker 3: of the Sam. So that means both of them are
25:15
Speaker 3: going to come off. And they're going to block the end.
25:18
Speaker 3: But eventually somebody's got to go get the linebacker because
25:21
Speaker 3: he'll be a free runner. He'll stop the play. So
25:24
Speaker 3: it becomes very complicated how they block that edge. And
25:31
Speaker 3: when you say, okay, who's going to overtake? Is the
25:34
Speaker 3: tackle going to overtake the block and the tight end
25:36
Speaker 3: go up? Or is the tackle going to go up? Well,
25:38
Speaker 3: that depends on the flow and a lot of things.
25:41
Speaker 3: That's why you walk through this stuff and why having
25:45
Speaker 3: that harmony with your your teammate really matters. But there
25:50
Speaker 3: was a play where Emmanuel Wilson was running the wide
25:55
Speaker 3: zone to the right. It was just as I was describing,
25:58
Speaker 3: Abe Lucas and A.J.
26:01
Speaker 2: Barner.
26:02
Speaker 3: And Barner actually, at the end of the, there was
26:06
Speaker 3: zone in the end, Barner got his hips around, his
26:10
Speaker 3: ass to the sideline, and he had the end pinned.
26:14
Speaker 3: Like right in that moment, There was a lane that
26:18
Speaker 3: was beautifully pinned. A great job of zoning between Lucas
26:23
Speaker 3: and Barner. And the halfback, Wilson, didn't have the speed
26:28
Speaker 3: to get there, and he had to go up inside
26:32
Speaker 3: the block and get like a yard and a half.
26:35
Speaker 3: And there's a lane out there, and you can bet
26:39
Speaker 3: every penny in your freaking pension that Kenneth Walker would
26:43
Speaker 3: have got it. And presumably, Jared Dyer and Price would
26:46
Speaker 3: have got it. And so you're trying to employ a
26:50
Speaker 3: scheme where you don't have the juice, you don't have
26:52
Speaker 3: the horsepower, the speed to get there. And so, well,
26:58
Speaker 3: one solution, who's the fastest damn dude on the offense?
27:02
Speaker 3: It's 22. So that was a thing of beauty. I mean,
27:06
Speaker 3: and he was expecting.
27:08
Speaker 2: To go wide.
27:10
Speaker 3: Charles Cross... got, you know, had to take his block
27:13
Speaker 3: way up the field. So the, what we call ladder step,
27:17
Speaker 3: the way that Shahid ladder step, he dipped inside of
27:21
Speaker 3: that without slowing down, did not chop his feet. He
27:24
Speaker 3: kept his full stride. So he went, he was going sideways,
27:28
Speaker 3: then vertical, then immediately sideways and then vertical. It literally
27:33
Speaker 3: looked like a stair steps. And that's why we call
27:36
Speaker 3: it's called stair step and our ladder step and whatever.
27:39
Speaker 3: And it was just a beautiful piece of running by
27:42
Speaker 3: an incredibly graceful athlete. And there was great blocking on
27:47
Speaker 3: the perimeter. He didn't just, like, get to the sideline
27:50
Speaker 3: and outrun everybody. He had to navigate through the different blocks.
27:55
Speaker 3: And his punt return instincts are, you know, potent. And
28:00
Speaker 3: he used some of that and the speed. And it
28:03
Speaker 3: was just brilliant. It was a brilliant idea.
28:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:06
Speaker 3: It was a brilliant call. It was brilliantly executed. Get
28:10
Speaker 3: a 28-yard touchdown out of a toss sweep. Yeah, that's
28:14
Speaker 3: big time.
28:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It was very cool.
28:16
Speaker 3: And then they ran the counter on the left. And,
28:20
Speaker 3: you know, they got him through the blocking scheme. They
28:24
Speaker 3: got him one-on-one with the corner, which is about all
28:26
Speaker 3: you can ask for. And he made a little juke
28:29
Speaker 3: and kind of got tripped up by the corner. Had
28:31
Speaker 3: he not, then he might have housed that thing, too.
28:34
Speaker 3: But you run out of blockers, you can't, you know,
28:36
Speaker 3: eventually you say, okay, we're going to crack down on
28:40
Speaker 3: the safety and we've got to handle the front seven. But,
28:44
Speaker 3: you know, you put the running back one-on-one with the corner,
28:46
Speaker 3: that's as good as you can get. And the corner
28:49
Speaker 3: made a nice play. You know, there wasn't a ton
28:53
Speaker 3: of space. Had there been more space, I think Shahid
28:57
Speaker 3: could have made a miss. But anyway, yeah, yeah, I
28:59
Speaker 3: would say two for two. on those plays.
29:02
Speaker 2: Yes, please.
29:03
Speaker 3: Let's see more.
29:04
Speaker 2: Can you make, yeah. Can you make this work? I mean,
29:06
Speaker 2: Charbonnet is expected to be back this week. Wilson is
29:10
Speaker 2: getting some yardage in between the tackles, even if he
29:13
Speaker 2: doesn't have the juice to get outside. Shahid being used creatively.
29:18
Speaker 2: I mean, there's talk about Joe Mixon. I mean, you know,
29:21
Speaker 2: you're going to be without price for at least three
29:23
Speaker 2: more games. Can they mix and match this thing and
29:26
Speaker 2: create a good running game? Cause you're going to need
29:28
Speaker 2: one this weekend for sure against the 49ers.
29:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you can't just put Shahid in the
29:34
Speaker 3: backfield and then give him the ball every time. You've
29:39
Speaker 3: got to use him like a decoy. Speaking of Shahid,
29:42
Speaker 3: when he caught that deep over route for 22, 24 yards,
29:47
Speaker 3: they used JSN in motion and the eye candy with him.
29:51
Speaker 3: Some people call it a ghost motion. There's a threat
30:00
Speaker 3: of a reverse there. And anytime 11 is involved near
30:05
Speaker 3: the backfield and a potential reverse or something, it's going
30:09
Speaker 3: to draw some eyeballs. So that was creative. And so
30:13
Speaker 3: that was a use of JSN, your best player, as
30:16
Speaker 3: a decoy to try and get that intermediate crossing route
30:20
Speaker 3: to Shahid. So if you put Shahid in the backfield,
30:25
Speaker 3: then maybe you fake the toss. And then you do
30:29
Speaker 3: a quick tight end screen to Barner. They've been good
30:32
Speaker 3: at that, not only last year but this year. So
30:37
Speaker 3: something tied to having him in the backfield but not
30:40
Speaker 3: giving him the ball. But, yeah, I would say whether
30:44
Speaker 3: it's fly sweep or putting him in the backfield, you're
30:47
Speaker 3: not going to run duo or some kind of inside
30:51
Speaker 3: run where he's going to go get thumped by a
30:53
Speaker 3: bunch of off-ball linebackers. You're going to want to get
30:56
Speaker 3: him in the alley or wider. just to preserve his body. But, yes, yeah,
31:05
Speaker 3: I would say having a little package with him at
31:07
Speaker 3: running back makes sense. It certainly would– I would think
31:12
Speaker 3: it would cause a few extra lost winks by the
31:18
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator, right?
31:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.
31:20
Speaker 3: You know, he'd scare the hell out of me if
31:22
Speaker 3: I saw a guy with that kind of juice in
31:25
Speaker 3: the backfield.
31:25
Speaker 2: Yeah.
31:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, no. Well played by Seattle, and expect to see more.
31:31
Speaker 3: And then the wrinkles will be a fun part because, again,
31:34
Speaker 3: I don't think you can just say, well, 22's in
31:37
Speaker 3: the backfield, ergo he gets the ball.
31:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, just wishbone it with Shahid and Milrow, Russell and Charbonnet.
31:47
Speaker 2: Just wishbone it. Just wishbone it, Fleury. Hugh Mellon is
31:51
Speaker 2: with us here, Monday morning quarterback session. By the way–
31:53
Speaker 2: I'll take the day off on Monday if I see
31:55
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32:00
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32:38
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33:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be fun. I'm looking forward to it.
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Speaker 3: All right. Come up and say hi. We'll share a cocktail.
33:13
Speaker 2: All right, we'll do it. So Sam and JSN and
33:17
Speaker 2: a lot of other things we're going to discuss at
33:19
Speaker 2: the top of the hour. I do need to squeeze
33:21
Speaker 2: in some Eamon Worry, so I might be doing that
33:24
Speaker 2: in our next segment. Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM. We've got
33:30
Speaker 2: a lot to still break down, but I've got to
33:33
Speaker 2: get your thoughts, and maybe this is the time to
33:36
Speaker 2: do it, on Nick Eamon Worry. It was really the
33:38
Speaker 2: first we've seen him on a large scale play this year.
33:42
Speaker 2: He certainly had a couple of bad penalties in the game,
33:45
Speaker 2: but he was out there doing more Nick Eamon Worry things,
33:48
Speaker 2: reminding us of what a weapon that he is out
33:51
Speaker 2: there on the field, Hugh.
33:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he doesn't play a back-end safety. All of
33:57
Speaker 3: his versatility is up. you know, in, in the box
34:00
Speaker 3: or in the slot.
34:01
Speaker 1: Right.
34:01
Speaker 3: Um, you know, as a first layer or a second
34:05
Speaker 3: layer defender, um, never a third, I don't want to
34:08
Speaker 3: use the word never, but I think he had seven
34:11
Speaker 3: snaps last year as a backend safety in some capacity. So, uh,
34:15
Speaker 3: you know, looking at it, he, they, they, uh, targeted
34:19
Speaker 3: him on a flat play where they did kind of
34:21
Speaker 3: a fake toss away and, and, uh, And then they
34:26
Speaker 3: ran the receiver in the flat to him. He made
34:28
Speaker 3: a very athletic recovery and tackle. And so his athleticism
34:33
Speaker 3: was on display, but his eyes were a little undisciplined.
34:36
Speaker 3: And reading his keys, they pulled the frontside guard on
34:41
Speaker 3: his side that probably influenced. So he was a little
34:45
Speaker 3: late to react. He got pinned on a swing screen crack,
34:50
Speaker 3: and he could have got a penalty for throwing. the
34:55
Speaker 3: receiver down. Um, but there, there were some other things,
34:59
Speaker 3: you know, he, he, uh, he played that nickel Sam
35:03
Speaker 3: that some people call the star, that nickel Sam position,
35:06
Speaker 3: but essentially a silent Sam linebacker. And, uh, there was
35:09
Speaker 3: a number of times where, um, he read and diagnosed
35:12
Speaker 3: field hard played physical, uh, you know, they, they lined
35:16
Speaker 3: them up at left end on third and 11. And
35:21
Speaker 3: he was going against alt, I believe on that play. And, um,
35:26
Speaker 3: And he started, you know, he was just a defensive
35:30
Speaker 3: end going against a right tackle. And he started up,
35:34
Speaker 3: started to the outside, went back inside on the B gap,
35:39
Speaker 3: and then spun back around when Herbert was trying to
35:43
Speaker 3: evade the pocket and his closing speed, you know, just
35:49
Speaker 3: in a two- or three-yard space. Like, it's hard to
35:52
Speaker 3: really recognize or appreciate um, speed in a three yard area. Like,
35:58
Speaker 3: like that's like, okay, I can get from one side
36:00
Speaker 3: of the phone booth faster than you can. Are you sure?
36:03
Speaker 2: I mean, it's only a phone booth, right?
36:05
Speaker 3: But, but you know, you, you watch him and, and, and,
36:09
Speaker 3: and you study it and you just go, wow, that, that,
36:12
Speaker 3: that burst is just so impressive in his length. Um,
36:16
Speaker 3: you know, he had, he had the, uh, the terribly
36:20
Speaker 3: selfish head, but play that may have cost him three points. Um,
36:25
Speaker 3: out in the flat the face mask i don't know
36:29
Speaker 3: you know i i see this all over football i
36:32
Speaker 3: don't understand how these face masks happen but it happens
36:36
Speaker 3: right and so i i don't know you tell me
36:38
Speaker 3: how to how to grade that try not to face
36:41
Speaker 3: mask would be my thought you've got them you got
36:45
Speaker 3: them pinned down on a i think it was a
36:47
Speaker 3: third and four you know and and uh you're forcing
36:50
Speaker 3: a punt but um But his athleticism is on display
36:55
Speaker 3: for sure.
36:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no question about it. I'm glad he's on
36:58
Speaker 2: our team, so just leave it at that.
37:01
Speaker 3: Well, he's so doggone versatile. You know, you can't get
37:05
Speaker 3: a beat on where he lines up. Well, you'd say, well, okay,
37:09
Speaker 3: if he's out on the slot, it's got to be
37:11
Speaker 3: zone because there's no way they're playing man-to-man against that
37:14
Speaker 3: wide receiver.
37:15
Speaker 2: Yep, they do.
37:16
Speaker 3: He'll cover your wide receiver. He'll cover your best wide
37:19
Speaker 3: receiver in the slot. In cover one, which is man-to-man.
37:22
Speaker 3: So it is great to have him out there. And
37:26
Speaker 3: I just love to watch a guy with that kind
37:29
Speaker 3: of length and that kind of explosion. I don't think
37:36
Speaker 3: he's an exceedingly violent player. He rarely has the big
37:41
Speaker 3: hit that you would expect for his athleticism. But he
37:44
Speaker 3: is explosive because he can get that body moving in
37:48
Speaker 3: a hurry. in any direction, and his change of direction
37:53
Speaker 3: is fluid and it's a lead. And so, you know,
37:57
Speaker 3: he's the wild card that Mike McDonald in some ways
38:00
Speaker 3: builds the defense around. All right.
38:02
Speaker 2: Monday morning quarterback continues. We have a lot more to
38:05
Speaker 2: talk about with Sam. I'm sure we've got more to
38:07
Speaker 2: talk about with the penalties, which was the big story
38:10
Speaker 2: of the game yesterday. So we'll dive further in with
38:13
Speaker 2: our QB1 Hugh Millen next. Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.