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Digging Into Bears Offseason News · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Wendy city podcast presented by fan side that you know that man right there that is Alex Shapiro and kid of Davis and we got some bears discussion to talk about all right, I'm also I'm in a fellow discussion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got a question for Alex towards the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll be my extra point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now we're going to do a little bit of cruising.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The news, as far as some articles that have come out that are centered around the bears, a friend of the show you saw Alex, a great interview with Sean Hammond from the Chicago Tribune, talking about bears, scrapback, rat receiver, put return kick returners, avion Thomas, and the value that Ryan pulls and then Johnson saw him and what they expect or hope they will get from him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to switch over to a little bit of the athletic from an article from
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, to pertaining about perhaps the bear's defense making improvements with what they already have so far and some of the additions to the back in, we're referring to the DBs that are we're adding and also the return of a Nickelback and you know, he does Spider-Man stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'm talking about Alice, how are you doing?
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am a wonderful Kenneth the heat wave in Chicago is broken.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's no longer like living in Satan's armpit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, man, if you feel good to just have regular summertime shines.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, the crazy person when I went upstairs and go to bed and I was hitting like the third step to the top floor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could feel the cool air from the room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was the first time I felt that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when I got in bed, it was so cool in the room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just how hot it was everyone where your air conditioning was not air conditioning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure, no, it was optimally air conditioning, but it cannot provide optimally because of how hot it was outside and the humidity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just to know, like I actually was more than took my sheet that I was going to cover and got like a blanket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I still stayed under that cool air.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I got up, I brushed my teeth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went back to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got, over is like I was going to be at the court.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause I was like, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're about 11.30.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to Shave House.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I come with you ready for Alex to never give me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me get ready.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we could use this out the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I also told you I was going to look up some stuff for the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go look up some shit for the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever, because Alex a lot of times does a terrific job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys were looking up things for us to discuss here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that air condition was air condition, Alex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as you said, that heat dome has finally moved away from us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my goodness, global life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Climate change.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, you listen, there's pluses and I mean, we all know it's bad because I wouldn't say Chicago have not been terrible even though this Eligno is supposed to have us know it's yeah, it's a new link
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that I'm sorry to ask people in the South.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've seen from how these waves go, that you're getting a lot more of cold weather in the winter time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have to say, I hope it goes that way this year too, because I can't deal with this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't go through the summer when it's out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are calls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to find a new location to the podcast room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll be doing this from a distance, perhaps in a different future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be just moving up and up and up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be up and up and up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Finally, in the Winter Pagging.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, Loki, me and Montreal, I've always wanted to be a person that lived and perhaps someplace like Montreal, or whatever, I know I haven't been.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't been.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This Montreal loves Montreal, friend of the show Lawrence Holmes, and you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got great taste, beautiful city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: hands to God, hands to God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a wild statement I'm about to make.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Best bagels I've ever had in my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are not only bagel I've had, just plain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just eight, I'm just eating the bagel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No smear, no locks, no nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just, you know, they're just like, just try the bagel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure enough, unbelievable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great bagel culture, great corn beef culture, the old lady.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Top marks for Montreal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, gotta make my way there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gotta make my way there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, because I don't know if when it comes to the end if I'm gonna end it here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, what's fine?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you live in a world like you know you've been in the same place a little time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The world's a big place get out and explore it and experience it, so anyway, so back to the barriers, back to some football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's shut off with shines article from the Chicago Tribune Xavier on Thomas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, regardless of how well we play it, I don't think it's enough to say it overdrafted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, not, and the only reason I'm saying this is the standpoint of how ingenious I believe Ben Johnson is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to say you can find these players a dime, it does it, but come out of colleges.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can find guys who aren't necessarily receivers who are kind of gadgety guys, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Played it for nominal program for two years at LSU,
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's also looking at, and I listen, I'm partially, I'm a person that stay true to your board, but also sometimes you got to say, forget your board and, you know, let's take a risk at something that we need to, you know, like particularly when you're not in the first couple of rounds where it's like, all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to defeat D.T., you know what I'm saying and who is the most D.T.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And look at that point and one thing, and I think it arranged through Alex, one of McDonald's out of Ohio State, that what you even if you could have, and you know I wanted someone that could pressure the quarterback, but even if you got someone to stop the goddamn run, you know like, let's solve one issue, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's not what Xavier and I'm
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just with him, but let's solve something on that defensive line and I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I conflate it with him because it's not fair to him, but when you already took an exciting and he's going to be your third exciting, I gotta just.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The luxury picks feel even more luxurious when you're stacking luxury picks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please, like you've had the pick and then you pour some caviar on top of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Calagiris doesn't need to be right, you know, but let's read an over the article, a guy that you mentioned, but there's some throwing bouquets your way, Alex, a cleafraiment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When we were talking about the bears bringing in this type of player, actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cliff Raymond, you mentioned Cliff Raymond, and in the article that has been a player, a veteran that Zavion has clung to, and, you know, bears higher up, like to see that at him, I would hope he had the comment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would have the comment since to do that, particularly in one of the things that we got to know him in the article that you presented for the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we knew, oh, yeah, the article taught by his life, but also in reading that article about his life, you found out just how dedicated he is to a movement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: California for a moment and how he just like this dude, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm enrossing brown catches 200 balls after practice so clearly framing catches 200 and two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you have someone like that to pattern your game one because you have a similar skillset and how you come to league is what you're asked to do is similar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I definitely was a great re by Sean and then you just hope and again I say this on the flip side you have a coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: who you know is it's probably gonna try to put this kid and some some some some great situations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was mentioned of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes this was infuriating about how they would use these and more as a runabout.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this would not primarily be or handoffs, but it'd be on screen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe not, you know, yes, somebody who's a little bit more elusive and fast than DJ, with the fact that Xavier and Ron's a four to, I think it's a four to seven, I think he ran the car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's awfully fast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's extremely fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's extremely fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you think about that and hidden some gaps, and also these offensive linemen, and this is something we haven't talked about, and going to 201 from 101,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That now there's going to be angles that they's office in Laman know that their coach, where he wants them to be, particularly in all situations, but on screens, that they're not for, they're more familiar with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, I'll need you to be right here when he gets the ball to spring him and allow this situation to allow the defendant to get right here before you start doing X, Y, and Z.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what makes me happy about reading an article.
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[SPEAKER_01]: From Sean, I mean, of course, listen, we are sitting here, we're bears media folk, but we are going to have a little bit of meatball that is just one because meatballs are delicious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, of course, you want, you want the team to be well, you want to see this young man excel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, you don't want to waste traffic, so I mean, we sat there, what was the, what was the kid from Tennessee, I don't even think about is I can't remember.
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[SPEAKER_01]: around polls as you still catching that smoke and all the valence the try dog we we didn't have been talking to backs over backwards trying to hope that valence was going to become a limit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean so hopefully they're not gonna say that's it out in on that part and let you jump in chime in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't want to have valence zones 2.0 situation when you could have perhaps brought in another live body to throw at an offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's kind of the duality of this thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of holding a mirror to yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How you're going to look at this draft pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you look at it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, this is now the third guy that Ryan polls has reached on that the rest of the league had consensus way down there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The list Jones, they drafted in the third round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody had him as a day three guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruben Hippolyte, they draft in the fourth round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Evolving Adam as a UDFA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now here we go again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Zavion Thomas, they use a premium pick on this guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody's like, wait, this is a round seven guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is now third time at least that I'm thinking of right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where Ryan polls is quote unquote overdrafting quote unquote reaching on a guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So is this just another here we go again or as you were saying earlier, do you view it as Ben Johnson's in control of this thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've said it for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Johnson is the director of player personnel on this team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if Ben Johnson says, I need him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like his skill set.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You go out and you get a for him because
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[SPEAKER_00]: be their burden is a highly talented player brought him in and it took half of a season, but by the end of the year, the burden was ballin' out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He identified Colston Lovelin and we were all going, what the heck are you doing drafting your tight end to it with the number 10 pick?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then in the second half of the season, Colston Lovelin is ballin' out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now everybody's looking at Colston Lovelin just potentially one of the best fantasy tight ends available out there, just because of what he means to this offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So are you looking at, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Johnson was right twice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now will he be right a third time?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How Xavier on Thomas kind of fits both of that super optimistic storyline and that super pessimistic storyline and really it's like kind of up to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to you want to interpret that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you want to interpret all of those storylines all those different data points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is he going to be now reading, bringing it back to Sean's article?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the clef Raymond of it all is exactly what you want to hear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because what, what, what was the thing holding Luther burdened back in the beginning of the year towards the second end of the year?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was learning the offense earlier in the year, training camp, he struggled to learn that playbook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had small packages and he succeeded in those packages, but that was the thing that was holding him back getting more and more and more snaps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then to his credit to his credit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He put forth the war.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He put forth the effort.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did learn that playbook better and better and better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, he doesn't know it 100%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think any of these guys know it 100%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think it the playbook is 100%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we talk about 101 to 201.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He improved his snaps went up, his production went up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Xavier on Thomas for him, the key is going to be the exact same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The key is how much can you get in your playbook, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They talk about it all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're about all the time, you're going to be drinking from a fire hydrant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be drinking from a hose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How much of that water are you gonna suck down or are you gonna drown from from information overload and by connecting himself to Khalif Raymond, a guy who did have to work his butt off to have a career in the NFL and he does have a career in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's gonna be critical because Zavion Thomas's key or path to the NFL certainly early on to is like Khalif Raymond gonna be special teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: gonna be special teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So is this a situation where
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Devin Duverne was the bridge guy right last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We all knew that, but they didn't necessarily have that guy in waiting is this going to be like what we expect with Garrett Bradbury and Logan Jones is going to be another situation like that where Logan Jones learn learn learn we want you on the field as much as as quickly as possible, but there's no rush because we got a guy here we believe in the guy is it going to be something similar Xavier on Xavier Thomas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Learn, learn, learn, we want you on the field, we want you making plans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: got to have you out on the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's actually a really great place for them to be for him to get all this experience for him to absorb as much as he can and it's not the panic situation of we got to get this guy in the field ace up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Same with Luther Bowen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: OZ, you know, was out there and reliable, but he was not the playmaker that the bears needed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was not the playmaker that
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[SPEAKER_00]: He saw the drops.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So was he a good guy in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He knew the shifts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He knew the motions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He knew where to be and when to be there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he lower the ceiling of the bears off?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All of me is the key as lowered the ceiling of the bears offence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he raised the floor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when this Luther burdens floor caught up, Luther burden was out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I look at the same way and when you look at it that way I'm choosing to be optimistic about it where it's like, okay, yeah, did the bears kind of overdraft him maybe, but if he does learn that playbook, which I have no reason to believe he can't if he does catch up now you're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of crazy good weapons for this for this bears offense for Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, we're only talking about rubber dunes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They won't just talk about Luther Burden.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've mentioned Colson, Lovelin, but Khalifa Amen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are other guys in that room too, you know, like Jaday Walker isn't going anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John DeWalkers in year two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, there's a path that Zavion Thomas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to break through a lot of guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to pass a lot of guys on that depth chart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a journey ahead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if he does, if he does absorb that playbook, you're talking about a crazy speed store who does something different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now you're talking about a different flavor, you know, Luther burden.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jack attack, unbelievable playmaker, home run hitter, you have Roma doonsate, your classic ex-dude, huge big body, contesic catch, and now you got a speed demon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you're talking about, we're coming at you a lot of ways, and that's before we even talk about Colson Loveland in this in the scene.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so now we're talking about the bad come at you a lot of way, I'm choosing to be optimistic, Kenneth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm going to say I'm going to be pessimistic and optimistic at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know people are like how to help you don't do that, follow my lead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, listen, it's not apples to apples comparison.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's one thing on this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We try to do is we don't try to bullshit you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can use this kind of I could say I'll say this and I'll tell you why it can be bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One thing that I do like is the fact that unlike before with Baylor's Jones, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This can even go back to a Hall of Famer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When the bear's tried to make, Devon has to have featured white receiver, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we know that's on Devon, but also no J.D.
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[SPEAKER_01]: didn't want to give him the ball to him to have the town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But still Devon was never a white receiver, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if people don't know, he was a DB.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was gonna say he was a DB actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know now that he has such a whole thing for people if you just got along late you may not have known that when he was
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the can't the one I want to say about valus was the bears also needed valus to be more right away because of the lack of talent that they had at the wide receiver position basically so they needed him to be that gadget guy right away where he could be running back but he can be a scat he could do a lot of different things and he was not prepared for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: thing that I like is that you have Khalifa Raymond already here that can do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a situation of, well, if that does, if he doesn't catch up, that part of playbook is shut down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I know there's a difference because the speed, then if you have someone like Xavier on top Thomas doing it, compared to Khalifa, Khalifa's quick too, but this is where I want to tell you where I could say that and it could be BS because when you had
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know I'm saying so you work that like so that's where if I just shot it some people wouldn't catch it, but I'm going to show you both some both sides of it because I've no reason to lie, we can't honest discussions and not try to create narratives or whatever, but that's the thing I like about it, the cleave Raymond is here so there is no rush, but also I'll say this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you go for why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know that these Ryrocevers have to block.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They know they have to block.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of tricks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we talk a lot of 12 and 13 right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you could go for why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you got three guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let alone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not forget me on the role that role is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ron, you surround some jet screens back in Washington.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you got guys that could just turn height turn around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Throw me that ball in space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got three hatching front of you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, do so like it's it's I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do like it and I think the thing that we're trying to put out there is just some hesitancy because of one where you drafted him in which your need was but also he's going we're going to have to see it on the field and that's we support being on this is a good point for the for the most part the players that they've drafted higher on the stuff that you mentioned one in this regime and it was like oh
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[SPEAKER_01]: I always forget that that's bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's really the lot more to do with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I totally, and I listen, I'm over here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm always shaking the compost for Dennis Island.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let alone as you said, it was marked as a sever brown pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want the best for the team that you cover and root for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see, move forward.
20:48
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he's great, then they got their guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks if he's great, where are you drafting?
21:05
[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be looked at as you were a genius to draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How did that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything was trash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every team passed on him three to four times at least.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some teams had two picks in the same round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They passed on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The revisionist history gets wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that part, that part, but yeah.
21:27
[SPEAKER_01]: So that, again, shout out to Sean, make sure you follow his articles at the trip for coming in with that saving on Thomas update that we all were needed during this rare desert time of bears information while everyone's at home before they have to kick up for the season, training up for the season.
21:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And one thing we didn't mention from this article, pearly zavian on Thomas looks great, no T.A.s.
21:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Now again, like they're running around a shorts and t-shirts.
21:53
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't got the pads on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not real football, but somebody's got to make the highlight reels when you're playing in your shorts and t-shirts and somebody's got to make the plays and if it's him, that's great.
22:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a good...
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[SPEAKER_00]: early sign even even if it's like pseudo meaningless again, nobody's got to make that Instagram real.
22:14
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that it's your rookie that you drafted that everybody's like excited about is good.
22:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna say this too.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even going disrespect OTAs like that because how many years have we been here they're in about balls on the ground?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it worked and then and so everybody doesn't know if you don't know I'm talking about passes dropped or bad passes through all right or both.
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[SPEAKER_01]: right and right now we haven't been hearing about that and it showed us our it led us to see that the office was never ready and it's this could go back to any regime you want to talk about right that felt like this is like a long history so right now catches being called I'm happy for that Alex that's never the news that my guys just to break back from me you were Josh about what was going on again for cutting gold it was a lot of drop man that drop off
23:07
[SPEAKER_00]: offence has some work to do.
23:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, so do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll kick.
23:12
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Give me that.
23:13
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It may not mean anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe meaningless.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Give me that meaningless because the reverse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen what the reverse does.
23:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
23:21
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when it's meaningful.
23:22
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when it's like they're running around his shorts and t-shirts and they're dropping the ball.
23:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about draft and value, and that kind of goes into this discussion from tick, when of the athletic on the bears, perhaps being a defense that can pop out and go from one of the worst defenses or
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were situational good, but if you look at that, particularly against the run, they were like in the bottom 20s.
23:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But the kicker was the bears when it came to a third down, and a lot more than seven or more, they were second in the leap, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how well Dennis Allen can sit there and make disguise coverages to throw off the defense.
24:14
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the bears really didn't get to earn going after the quarterback because they couldn't stop to run.
24:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to stop the run to get the right to go after the QB.
24:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And how, when again, where I was talking about Alex, one in an even going with a run stop and how the value could be, even though it's not sex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was, I said this, you know, I usually don't just go with the sexy.
24:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going with the sex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted, I wanted a, I wanted a three technique.
24:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
24:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, stop the room where you can chance back there, too.
24:43
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, not that run, too, right?
24:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Or at least get them to look.
24:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Get them to go the other way, just make you know, whatever you've got to slow to play down, but even if you would have gotten a run stop or to take the pressure off of your outside, your, your edge rushers from having to do both.
25:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, they have to set the edge, so they still have to do both, but you still get what I mean, where those, those initial up the gut runs,
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[SPEAKER_01]: between sitting in a guard, guard, tackle, you're sitting there and you are trying to get them, get the right to back you to the stop a second or stop the right to back behind the line of skirmish or at the line of skirmish.
25:19
[SPEAKER_01]: But sitting there and reading the article and it's, you know what, it's funny to ask, I was thinking about something you and I talked about.
25:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know who's been in that and it popped up.
25:27
[SPEAKER_01]: This is also how like whatever the algorithm is.
25:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm seeing that I don't say I allowed us popping up on my phone.
25:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Like for instance, I wanted to know what chip is working.
25:36
[SPEAKER_01]: David, it's just totally working, right?
25:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It's whatever the wave that they're using is working because I was going to tell y'all this and I'll get back to this article from Tid.
25:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to look up after this, I don't know how many of you all are watching the House of the Dragon, right?
25:50
[SPEAKER_01]: House, do you watch the House of the Dragon?
25:51
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25:59
[SPEAKER_01]: This has nothing to do with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What you're saying is right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get that out of you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You go watch this.
26:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright?
26:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was telling someone I was telling a coworker and I was like, listen.
26:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Forget GOT because she was like she enjoyed GOT but she didn't keep going and she's like no I watch I was like no, no, no, no look.
26:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I said there's like two best seasons released in GOT right like at least two right I said forget this.
26:22
[SPEAKER_01]: This is before that just watch the house of the dragon right and for it like because you're right Which are saying do ain't no best season so far in the house of the dragon right all the all the acting is it no This was episode two Alex
26:37
[SPEAKER_01]: The day of the show could end right now.
26:39
[SPEAKER_01]: The series could stop right here and I'd be like I mean, that's a bad sign.
26:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know that they probably should end it no no Because listen, this has it this hasn't been like I don't know what you're saying because that goes back to the net At the end of season one and being like god damn it's killed the man captain to be getting Right it was like what type of stuff is this right?
27:03
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, um, but Alex, this is a thing.
27:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the the shows the actors are so great that the writing is great.
27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's top notch.
27:17
[SPEAKER_01]: This damn dragon, CGI is ridiculous.
27:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so many, I mean, it's impossible.
27:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so many, it's like, oh, it's the new one.
27:25
[SPEAKER_01]: We were watching this, the opening scene from this episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a body in water and the view.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're viewing it beneath the body in the water, looking up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see a body floating in water.
27:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Tim.
27:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It's from you're looking from the depth.
27:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's somewhat dark, right?
27:43
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like this flash and I'm like, what is that light right there?
27:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
27:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Not thinking about it.
27:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Now the sudden a dragon comes flying.
27:51
[SPEAKER_01]: It does a flip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it flies and it's like, oh, oh, shit.
27:55
[SPEAKER_01]: That dragon just shot fire.
27:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're looking for a bunch of people.
27:58
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's so I listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to remember.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had three dragons in GEOC, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: me like a dragon's deep at least for this is pretty cool this is Targaryens in their prime this is prime Targaryens no it's it's their prime as far as running the um the you know but so the Targaryens left before um the Larry the Larry whatever the Larry's place they was from got the Targaryens were the only people because one of them had a premonition
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they basically, it was like Pompeii, right?
28:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And they got out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had a premonition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're the also compared to they were in the land where it was thousands of dragons.
28:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody had a dragon.
28:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, saying to them, to them, custodian had a dragon.
28:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't say like everybody was riding around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had dragons in the air.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just them and their dragons that are left, right?
28:54
[SPEAKER_01]: But, and I won't go into any more whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, we're still in crime of
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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert Moraffian overthrowns right in game of the when we pick up after that in game of thrones Where the mac King the mac King was the last Targaryens who run everything right before what happens Jamie King slush Give them in the right back So it's heavy on Xavier on Thomas is the dragon or is Austin booker the dragon
29:31
[SPEAKER_01]: To, to, to, listen, there's Alice, this is dragon.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget what this begins with the name of V. It's the biggest dragon alive.
29:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you see the side skills, can this dragon and the other dragons, particularly when he's doing dirt, you're like, oh my goodness, it's like the Duke, too.
29:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if we were just saying, just go watch dragons, this show will be crazy.
29:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the great show and then you ain't throw dragons in here.
29:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And you've got black people riding dragons, and you know just for, you need that in this world.
30:04
[SPEAKER_01]: for Sarah's do you got to you got man how did you start talking about how's the drag I'm about to say you're about to say all right so I was sitting there and I was thinking about oh I wonder if I can go back and see those dragon bones that was in the crypt on Game of Thrones which one of these dragons are those dragons right yeah so I'm scrolling one night
30:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And it pops up on Instagram where it shows that dragon hit the sitting at the crib and it shows who that dragon was.
30:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, I didn't say this out loud.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know could this damn thing?
30:38
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because we always say, man, it heard me say it.
30:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And it said, so I'm going to get back to the bear's part of this.
30:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So give us back on track.
30:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you and I were talking about Kobe Brian and Dylan Theoneman and this was when we were talking about Carla Gordon being injured and the reasons perhaps they did this to the defensive back there with one the availability of Carla Gordon but also thinking about the fact that how they're going to have to stop the run system, not stopping the run in a traditional way with primarily for downline and particularly the DTs and the address are said in the edge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then reading this article from Ted, he mentioned that.
31:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, Oh, so we weren't bullshitting.
31:13
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, you know, I'm saying it was something that we picked up on.
31:17
[SPEAKER_01]: He was talking about how well, Dylan Theon and played the run in college and all around versatility of a Colby Bryant.
31:24
[SPEAKER_01]: But he one of the features that he really featured on was this was really Calagordon has to be healthy and available.
31:31
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying for this, this bears DNA.
31:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the big, and that stood out to me while I was reading it because at this point, you know what hurts Collegord now, I hate to say this, you're quite briskers in there no more.
31:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you when you used to when you both used to be kind of being dumped you used to come back right and you would come back for stretches and now he's gone and now we're just looking at those two first draft picks.
31:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It's only you being the guy that's nicked up and him being nicked up more than you missing them into a year and a half two years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um it's now it's that the spotlight's on you and you are cali Gordon got the bread and brisker did just got to go
32:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And you got, and you know what, and it's, again, injuries and injuries, you got the bread and you haven't been available since you got the bread.
32:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying you're doing it on purpose.
32:20
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be just ass and I to say that, but also the bears need you know, I'm saying like you got the bread to be, you got top point, I mean, top nickel back.
32:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's one of those scary things because another thing is, and I don't know, when you think about the kid out of Texas, they got, but who again, if color Gordon is out, can play that role as well, because you had to go get a guy off the street that plays for the bills, CJ Garda Johnson, to kind of be him last year.
32:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So that again, the article.
33:01
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great article, talking about as far as the various commitment to their defense of tackles and great Jared and your John Dexter senior and running it back.
33:11
[SPEAKER_01]: But also, and it's something I think is always hopes for you to turn on, but the hope that Austin Booker does take another step, and this is a breakout year for him.
33:18
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is, and then we're reading this, maybe think about you and a run stopper.
33:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you had a run stopper,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It opens the game up for Montes with an Austin booker and those guys, because now you're playing longer down, earlier in the series.
33:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when you get a team and you get them on a second and long, there's a situation where now we can get back to pin in our ears, early rather than be in a second and admit a second and short, and we're not the best rest I've been seeing at this point looking at the roster.
33:48
[SPEAKER_00]: see when I read that when I hear that the bears were bottom in the league and run stopping bottom in the league in that but great at 3rd and 7 and have all this upside all this room for growth to me that's even more frustrating that they didn't go out and get a D.T.
34:04
[SPEAKER_00]: and yes okay caveat don't think i'm gonna play the run caveat if Kylie Gordon comes back he played the run but to me it's more frustrating because if the bears are so good
34:16
[SPEAKER_00]: on 3rd and 7, you would think they would try to do things to get to 3rd and 7 more.
34:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
34:23
[SPEAKER_00]: What was holding them back?
34:24
[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't get to 3rd and 7.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they did, they were dynamite, but they couldn't get there.
34:29
[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, it was just like they had this opportunity to help themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: get to 3rd and 7 more often.
34:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you don't need to blitz so much when he get there too.
34:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So to me when I read that, it's almost like more frustrating.
34:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so interesting how like I have that optimistic view of the Zavian and Thomas thing and more of the pessimistic view, the duality of man I suppose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we'll see, right, Dioa Dengbo coming back to is also a wrinkle in this because he has that ability to kick in and we did not get the we have an incomplete great on Dioa Dengbo.
35:07
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, could I be wrong and could all these guys come back to be exactly what the Bears need?
35:16
[SPEAKER_00]: One guy whose name we haven't mentioned at all who we have criminally disrespected his entire Bears 10 year, which is very sure.
35:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Neville Gallamore is Neville Gallamore, the run stopper.
35:29
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bears need as kind of Davis laughs to himself in the background like, like,
35:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose these things could coalesce.
35:39
[SPEAKER_00]: They could come together.
35:41
[SPEAKER_00]: The bears can make improvements in the run game, and they can get to 3rd and 7 more, and then that defense will really take off.
35:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
35:49
[SPEAKER_00]: If the bears can stop the run, the defense will take off.
35:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that, even with an interception regression,
35:56
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, it's just harder for me to see that path.
35:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It's harder for me to see all of that coalescing than it is to see the Xavier on Thomas story coalescing.
36:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's less, there are a few.
36:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
36:14
[SPEAKER_00]: There are fewer, what's the word I'm looking for?
36:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Variables.
36:17
[SPEAKER_00]: There are fewer variables to Xavier on Thomas being a successful story in that offense and that adding a wrinkle adding another dimension of speed to that offense.
36:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Then there are variables for the bears figuring it out stopping the run and really taking the next step.
36:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to make an excuse for them with this and one thing that we've talked about a lot is we start to wrap this up.
36:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the lack of holes that they have now because they've filled in a lot of them now after a training camp cuts come out, excuse me, you can look for a run stop is a whole bit.
36:53
[SPEAKER_01]: He don't do nothing damn there when it comes to the past, right?
36:57
[SPEAKER_00]: That might be an old addition.
36:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
37:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You just, you can, you can now say, hey, those guys that those, those unsexy guys are going to fall through the cracks a lot more compared to like a hard road for someone that you're thinking, okay, he's old, but he's basically, we're looking to him in the pressure, the pressure to quarterback too.
37:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
37:17
[SPEAKER_01]: When you look at Allen, the guys at the Vikings picked up.
37:20
[SPEAKER_01]: You know I'm saying like when you look at those guys, so there's gonna be a chance I also say this.
37:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also through the trade deadline because if the bears are playing well They will probably try to fix something along that line unless there's a Unless someone gets injured or someone that you're expecting to step up because not step up I accept to expect them to make a move But one thing to I want to tease a part of next week's episode
37:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk about leadership, all right, and how I think perhaps leadership has helped with what's been happening at Highlands Hall on one side of the ball, and maybe how it could help on the other side of the ball this season compared to last season.
38:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think also
38:04
[SPEAKER_01]: looking at some of the articles that have come out and what you think the bear's are trying to do how maybe it can help on the defensive side more than it was able to last year, but we've seen how it's definitely developed on the offensive side of the ball.
38:19
[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to get into that next week.
38:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Alex, you got anything else you want to say for a good other?
38:24
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you got an extra point for me though, I hear.
38:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, the thing we haven't talked about is a little bit, you know what, we've talked about it, but we haven't focused on this aspect of it.
38:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Luckily, we had Michael Bowen join us to talk about gambling, right?
38:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
38:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to stay with the gambling, but we have talked about Britain's source breed and his gambling and how it led to him not being able to go back to Texas Tech this year.
38:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And how he was trying to, well, he was going to sue the NFL because one NFL said they're not going to have a supplemental draft for him, right, for anybody doesn't know the NFL does not hold ill, supplemental drafts every year.
39:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I think 2022 is the last time they held a supplemental draft.
39:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And one reason is because it was the amount of time that they had, but between him, one of the get into a supplemental draft was shorter, but also what the message would be if this kid that gambled on football and his team was allowed to get into the supplemental draft and also how he'd be punished by the league for what he did in college football.
39:30
[SPEAKER_01]: The CFL came out and said, they're not gonna let his ass in the CFL early either.
39:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So now he's taking away his lawsuit and said that he will wait to go into the 227 draft.
39:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Because like if you want to suit a league, you really want to find out the bad way about something.
39:44
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to play with them like that.
39:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's the problem of gamble.
39:49
[SPEAKER_01]: and how it, you see it in NFL with the, um, the Malica beastly situation and, you know, saying about him, I don't know if you read recently, some of you more about the Malik beastly stuff where he was, he was, he was, he was he had three point three and a half rebounds and he would be like, okay, I'm not going to, not going to get that through and have those buddies.
40:11
[SPEAKER_01]: We're better and the thing is like they don't understand bro.
40:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you not understand?
40:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd even people have to see this the algorithm is going to see wait How do these four people know and all they couldn't thousands of dollars on the link basically getting three Rebounds and that three and a half rebounds something's going up what connection do they have to really teach?
40:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, run the credit cards run the face recognition if you haven't seen them with these I mean it's too much digital footprints nowadays for people that you need a real book
40:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll keep that figured out.
40:42
[SPEAKER_00]: The guys with the balls and the strikes and N.O.B.
40:46
[SPEAKER_00]: caught MBA.
40:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It's happened and now it's an issue.
40:50
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy that these athletes who make millions.
40:57
[SPEAKER_01]: In an article it says he's lost millions to get and this is how to get in the hole He's lost millions gambling and now of course you want to do some strange for a little bit of change When I mean strange, I ain't talking about sexual I mean like throw it They're not playing as hard perhaps as you would be or whatever and it's just Pandora's box That's always been there and I was funny because people with storklows
41:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, people like she be banned from the league, and I'm like, hold on slow down.
41:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not, I'm like, in fact, the key was gambling, and he sounded dumb as hell.
41:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And no, it's your privilege.
41:29
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, does not forget about Eric Kero's Alex Kero, Alex Kero's, you know, Alex Kero's, and Paul Horning.
41:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we, we got a history in NFL of guys going away for a year, and then like, come on back, come on back, come on back.
41:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I'm talking about George Papa Doppelous for the people that watch Webster 2.
41:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
41:47
[SPEAKER_01]: He he gambled on, uh, well, he's a liar.
41:49
[SPEAKER_01]: He gambled on a football for everybody.
41:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
41:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Webster's daddy said that it fostered daddy.
41:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever the hell he was.
41:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see that you haven't seen Webster?
41:56
[SPEAKER_01]: You've seen before your time.
41:57
[SPEAKER_01]: You haven't shown yourself.
41:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Webster.
41:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea what you're talking about, man.
42:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just letting you go.
42:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you know, but it was just written there and it was interesting to, um, sit there and see how this
42:12
[SPEAKER_01]: If he was great, if this in this kid, well, he's not a bad football player, he's someone was going to draft him.
42:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get this.
42:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And then swords be.
42:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was going.
42:21
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a scrub.
42:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like one of those.
42:23
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's not.
42:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Archie Archmany, what people, you know, Archmany is going to go number one, I mean, regardless of this play, just because, and I'm not knocking it, but because of his bloodlines, no one's going to risk miss out on what if I got another man, right, and just it's good PR, we can run it, but we've seen what man is going to do, three out two out of three of one super boats, all right, two, all right, and they daddy play for an enormous team that you see get his bail run all day long.
42:51
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, the older brother was apparently the dynamite wide receiver before he got hurt was the best athlete of him off.
42:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Really, I know a Cooper.
42:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know Cooper was a I knew Cooper was good, but I know Cooper was like that.
43:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I've from what from what you hear Cooper was was that good was that good before he got hurt.
43:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, I wonder what it would have been good to see when him and pay would have worked their way to it because they would have saved him.
43:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So in a person or like, yeah, not so you would have been a cult without question, but that was just it just looking at gambling and how it has affected us.
43:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You look at how you turn on television all the time and it's something telling you to get on there and gamble and athletes, you would hope they would be, but their human beings too, and they're susceptible to the same thing.
43:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to make an excuse for them because I think I can call you a job.
43:42
[SPEAKER_01]: You probably shouldn't do it.
43:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sure.
43:45
[SPEAKER_01]: For Alex Shapiro, and Kenneth Davis, tune in next week.
43:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I said leadership will be part of this question.
43:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure my guys are going to give us some other stuff for us to talk about.
43:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm enjoyed a summer.
43:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Today is the fourth of July.
43:58
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
43:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this could be out the day after or whatever, I hope I hope you don't and I hope you did not blow yourself for someone else up or harm someone or harm yourself be careful.
44:12
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to get big cakes make sure they're the ones that can sit flat on the ground is not something that it's up over.
44:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I just do that for me.
44:19
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's do everything flat on the ground.
44:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to get the big cake that's got like a 12 rounds in it that's flat on it.
44:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to worry about it's not going to tip over make sure the key is a farthest hell away from it But don't get the the the mortars all right the more that because you've had a mortars basically the big cake But don't get the mortars where you it's not in the two don't mess with the two.
44:41
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
44:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the pipe We'll see you guys next week.
44:44
[SPEAKER_00]: We all appreciate it