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Gordie Chiesa on the Utah Jazz and the NBA, Jazz vs Celtics tonight at the Delta Center, LeBron turning 41 today, Anti-tanking ideas + mo... · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that crazy. Come for the hoops talk. Stay
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  Speaker 1: for his list of the day, My list today, here's Oh.
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  Speaker 3: See with Basketball Sabbah Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 4: Man Sean O'Connell Show at Big Willie seventeen seventeen, South Maine,
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  Speaker 4: Gordon Chiasa in our Broadway studios to talk a little NBA.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy, welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm doing fine. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Lebron James's birthday, are you sending him a gift?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, very much. And it's amazing he turns forty one
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  Speaker 3: years young, showing emphasized young, and we've never seen a
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  Speaker 3: guy play that level like he has. The only guy
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  Speaker 3: comparable would be Tom Brady, who at age forty five
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  Speaker 3: was still throwing darts down the floor until after twenty
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  Speaker 3: three seasons. So it's ironically this a Bronch twenty third
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  Speaker 3: year and this is that was Tom Brady's also twenty
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  Speaker 3: third year it was last is this quick metrics shun
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  Speaker 3: Lebron this year is averaging at age forty one, twenty
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  Speaker 3: three point nine points per game, seven point four assist,
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  Speaker 3: seven point one rebounds, two may three is a game,
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  Speaker 3: and shooting from the floor fifty two percent. So it's
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  Speaker 3: he's been sensational.
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  Speaker 2: He's spent more than half of his life in the
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  Speaker 2: NBA and helped kind of shape what the NBA is
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  Speaker 2: has become. Aside from his time on the floor, because
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  Speaker 2: he's one of the greatest players in the history of
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  Speaker 2: the game, what do you think Lebron's biggest impact is
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  Speaker 2: kind of accessory to or adjacent to the.
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  Speaker 3: Court, outreach to as far as all different things he's
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  Speaker 3: done off the court. A lot of it's not publicized,
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  Speaker 3: but he gives a lot of charity work to help
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  Speaker 3: people and it's really been a special moment for him,
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  Speaker 3: including you know, back in his hometown of Akron, Ohio,
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  Speaker 3: where he gave millions of dollars to the kids there.
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  Speaker 3: As far as the computers and textbooks, etc. And just
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  Speaker 3: generally speaking, is that he's a very childble person. That's
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  Speaker 3: his biggest thing. Also is that from a players standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: is that he's very engaging with the young players. He
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  Speaker 3: respects the game, and that's a huge factor as far
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  Speaker 3: as the younger people. When you look up to Lebron,
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  Speaker 3: we never seen a guy play that long at that
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  Speaker 3: high level.
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  Speaker 1: Good for him.
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  Speaker 2: We talked to a lot about Jokic in our last
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  Speaker 2: conversation and then he immediately goes down and it looked
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  Speaker 2: as he was on the floor. You know, you always
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  Speaker 2: fear the worst, but the latest report is that he'll
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  Speaker 2: only have to miss about four weeks.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of bullet did the Nuggets dog? There? Huge?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely so shows alluding to Jogics last night and a
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  Speaker 3: mammy and a loss where he's he got tangled up
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  Speaker 3: with a teammate playing health defense.
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  Speaker 1: It was an accident and his knee buckled. So now
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  Speaker 1: it's a.
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  Speaker 3: Left knee sprain usually speaking, four to five weeks versus
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  Speaker 3: a torn acl which means why Sewan tended ten to
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  Speaker 3: months through a year. And so hopefully they'll get them
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  Speaker 3: back and they're gonna use absolutely good caution. They're gonna
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  Speaker 3: back probably let's say Sean after the All Star break,
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  Speaker 3: if not early in March then and then that they
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  Speaker 3: have a chance to regroup. Then they're playing great the Nuggets.
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  Speaker 3: Let's not forget also they're playing without Aaron Gordon, Christian
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  Speaker 3: Brown and Cam Johnson, and so now Jamal Murray is
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  Speaker 3: the only starter that is going to try to hold
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  Speaker 3: down the fortress. And now Jonas of Alachunis now is
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  Speaker 3: gonna be a big factor. He's the backup center. He
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  Speaker 3: has to come through him, and that's what they try
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  Speaker 3: to acquire him less summer for.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked about a couple of proposed anti tanking measures,
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  Speaker 2: and one of my favorite guys who covers the jazz
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  Speaker 2: in the NBA, Andy Larson, talked about changing national television
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  Speaker 2: revenue unevenly so that top teams make more money than
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  Speaker 2: bad teams, which of course would incentivize teams to not
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  Speaker 2: be bad. You could make more money. You think this
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  Speaker 2: is a realistic solution.
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  Speaker 3: It's unlikely, And the reason why is that it's all
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  Speaker 3: for one, one for all. They're there thirty owners in
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  Speaker 3: the NBA. They have different directions as far as their
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  Speaker 3: own franchises. But the league, though, is all united, so
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  Speaker 3: it sounds it sounds good by Andy, but it'd be unlikely.
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  Speaker 3: You have to get two thirds of the majority to
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  Speaker 3: vote for that proposal, and there's no way that will
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  Speaker 3: happen then, because again, the way it is that there's
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  Speaker 3: always that invisible dialogue where the NBA favors the big
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  Speaker 3: market teams and they're smaller guys never get any breaks,
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  Speaker 3: and that's always undercurrent, and that would be just as much. Also,
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  Speaker 3: if you're a glamber team, you get more revenue than
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  Speaker 3: a lesser team.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we talk about the professionalization of college sports,
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  Speaker 2: and most of what we're saying is like now college
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  Speaker 2: athletes are getting paid. And these last couple of times
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  Speaker 2: you've joined me, we've had to talk about a two
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  Speaker 2: way player that's going back to college and now an
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  Speaker 2: NBA draft pick that's going back to college. And it's
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  Speaker 2: become enough of a conversation that the president of the
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  Speaker 2: NCUBA is talking about, you know, figuring out measures that
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  Speaker 2: need to be taken or avoiding the crossover here.
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  Speaker 1: What does the NBA think of it?
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  Speaker 2: Can they do anything to help out an nc doublea
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  Speaker 2: that is toothless and hopeless and a huge mess and
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  Speaker 2: making sure that you don't have these kind of convoluted situations.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the hisstry is very much. They could, They could
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  Speaker 3: stop it very easily. The next bargain agreement where you
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  Speaker 3: cannot do it. Then once you're a professional athlete, you
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  Speaker 3: can't go back. You can go back to college, but
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  Speaker 3: you can't play.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 3: The college coaches that we all know are absolutely veemily
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  Speaker 3: against it, and the NBA could be with an alliance
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  Speaker 3: with the college NCAA, and also the college coaches is
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  Speaker 3: that the player, if once you play professional basketball, you
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  Speaker 3: cannot go to college and play, So everyone wants the
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  Speaker 3: players to stay professional and not go back and forth.
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  Speaker 3: So it sounds weird. So Chris Paul at age forty,
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  Speaker 3: the way it is now today, if he choose to
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  Speaker 3: Chris Paul because he left their vers sophomore at Wake
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  Speaker 3: far as he could technically go back to a university
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  Speaker 3: and play two more years technically the way the rules
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  Speaker 3: are right now.
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  Speaker 1: Lebron's forty three.
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  Speaker 2: He never played a single second of college basketball.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go right, So you're right, that's how absurd it
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  Speaker 3: is right now. So everyone's against it, except and so
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  Speaker 3: Scott Drewe to the head coach of Ball University. He
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  Speaker 3: was the first one to do it because his name
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  Speaker 3: is James Nazi is the thirty first pick in the draft,
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  Speaker 3: played overseas for four years, has never played an NBA game,
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  Speaker 3: but he played in Summer League. And now he's going
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  Speaker 3: to go to Baylor and Ballor is in the Big twelve.
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  Speaker 3: So he's gonna play against the utes, are going to
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  Speaker 3: play against the BYU. Everyone's against it.
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  Speaker 2: Charlie Baker, the president, said the nx hibee has not
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  Speaker 2: a will not grant eligibility to any perspective of returning
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  Speaker 2: student athletes who have signed an NBA contract, including a
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  Speaker 2: two way contract. So they're trying to figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: They're trying to fix it. That was a tweet from
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  Speaker 2: an hour and fifteen minutes ago.
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  Speaker 3: And you know Charlie Baker showing his reference point. He's
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  Speaker 3: the former governor of Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, fingers crossed that they can get that figured out,
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  Speaker 2: because that's one of those weird loopholes that I don't
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  Speaker 2: really have a whole lot of interest in seeing pro
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  Speaker 2: players bouncing back the overseas stuff. It's kind of always
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  Speaker 2: been like that, where guys you know there the system
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  Speaker 2: overseas is different. Do we need to regulate that more
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  Speaker 2: tightly in your opinion.
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  Speaker 3: No, not at all. So the overseas is that a
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  Speaker 3: player is drafted and either the team thinks we like
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  Speaker 3: his potential, but it's not a roster spot, so that
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  Speaker 3: we're going to send him over to Europe and play,
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  Speaker 3: and that we retain his rights if we keep offering
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  Speaker 3: him a contract and then when he's when he's improved,
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  Speaker 3: we once come back to the States. Then the NBA
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  Speaker 3: team can pay roughly up to nine hundred thousand dollars
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  Speaker 3: for the buyout of the contract. So guys drafted late
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  Speaker 3: in the second round, our team is loaded, meaning they'd
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  Speaker 3: say a playoff type team. But you like him, he
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  Speaker 3: goes to Europe place for Madrid in Spain, and now
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  Speaker 3: two years later he uh, there's an opening on your roster.
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  Speaker 3: Or he improved dramatically under contract with the Real Madrid
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  Speaker 3: and Maye in Spain, so now they can buy out
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  Speaker 3: the contract and come to the state side and play
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  Speaker 3: in the NBA.
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  Speaker 1: That's how it works.
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  Speaker 3: And the city has been very good and feb And
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  Speaker 3: and the NBA basketball has really good alliance, so it
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  Speaker 3: has worked out and both parties enjoy the benefit of it.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy, what's the list today?
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  Speaker 3: List today showing tonight the jazz player of Jazz are
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  Speaker 3: Roland too straight in a good way. They play the Celts.
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  Speaker 3: So the Celtics are the number one franchise for for
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  Speaker 3: most ever NBA titles with eighteen, which is crazy. They
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  Speaker 3: are a proud franchise. So this list today and showing
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  Speaker 3: how to cut out like so many guys in the
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. So they have the most players in
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  Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame, the Boston Celtics. I cut these
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  Speaker 3: guys out like they're like a loose change. This list
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  Speaker 3: today is that doesn't top all time greatest Boston Celtic players.
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  Speaker 1: Twelve.
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  Speaker 3: He's playing tonight in the Delta Center. Jellen Brown, future
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Famer, four time All Star, one time NBA
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  Speaker 3: champion in twenty twenty four, was the MVP of the Finals.
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  Speaker 3: Number eleven greatest Celtics. He's in the Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 3: in the class of twenty twenty. Kevin Garnett, the Big Ticket,
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  Speaker 3: played for the Celtics for six years, one title back
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  Speaker 3: in two thousand and eight. Number ten, Number ten all
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  Speaker 3: time Celtics nickname was the Chief. Robert Parrish Hall of
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  Speaker 3: Famer inducted two thousand and three. We know about his game.
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  Speaker 3: But that high arching jump shot tremendous rebound of three
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  Speaker 3: titles number nine, the world's greatest ever bank shoot of
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  Speaker 3: all time is not even close. For the younger listeners.
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  Speaker 3: Before I say his name, this guy was a combination
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  Speaker 3: of Dwayne Wade and Ray Allen. That's what he played like.
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  Speaker 3: His name is Sam Jones, Hall of Famer nineteen eighty four.
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  Speaker 3: Ten titles in twelve years, Number eight all time, Day
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  Speaker 3: Cowents Hall of Famer nineteen teen ninety one, two titles
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  Speaker 3: six to nine, Rugged, unbelievable center. He was the heart
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  Speaker 3: of the Celtics in the nineteen seventies. Number seven all time.
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  Speaker 3: He's hurt right now. He hasn't played a minute for
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  Speaker 3: the Celtics this year. Six time All Star, four time
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  Speaker 3: First Team All NBA. He's only twenty seven years young.
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  Speaker 3: Future Hall of Famer. We all love this guy's game.
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  Speaker 3: He's outwinningn Achilles injury. Jason Tatum number six all time,
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  Speaker 3: nickname Sean was Houdini of the hardwood. Bob Coosey Hall
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  Speaker 3: of Famer nineteen seventy one. He was the first ever
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  Speaker 3: great point guard NBA titles six. Number five nickname was
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  Speaker 3: the Truth Paul Pierce Hall of Famer inducted twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 3: fifteen years in the Celtics, Green one NBA title, clutch scorer.
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  Speaker 3: Number four, one of the best players of all time
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  Speaker 3: as far as interior footwork. Kevin McHale, Hall of Famer,
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  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine, three titles. Number three nickname was high though.
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  Speaker 3: One of the all time greatest players of all of
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  Speaker 3: any era. Two way player John Halchek, Hall of Famber
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  Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty four, six NBA titles in sixteen years.
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  Speaker 3: Number two Larry Legend Larry Bird, one of the all
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  Speaker 3: time greatest shooters, clutch players, rebounders, passes. I just keep
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  Speaker 3: going on. Hall of Fame, inducted nineteen ninety eight, three titles,
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  Speaker 3: and the number one Celtic player of all time is
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  Speaker 3: Bill Russell, Hall of Fame inducted nineteen seventy five. Eleven
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  Speaker 3: NBA titles in thirteen years as a player coach. Also,
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  Speaker 3: he's the greatest ever Game seven performer. He played in
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  Speaker 3: ten game sevens. His record is ten to zero. He
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  Speaker 3: was MVP five times in the NBA and the MVP
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  Speaker 3: of the playoffs is named after him.
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  Speaker 1: Sean.
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  Speaker 3: Thus, this is my list of the greatest ever Celtics.
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  Speaker 1: I left out so many people in Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: I feel bad.
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  Speaker 2: That's such a long list. Great franchises makes it a
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  Speaker 2: lot tougher. Before I let you go, we were having
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  Speaker 2: a conversation about eligible NFL Hall of Famers and Frank Gore.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you're familiar with you. Yes, I am. I
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  Speaker 1: love it.
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  Speaker 2: Frank Gore is on the list largely because of his
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  Speaker 2: longevity at a position where it's really really difficult to
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  Speaker 2: have longevity. And I'm of the opinion that if you're
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  Speaker 2: a guy who's been able to hang around when no
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  Speaker 2: one else has been able to hang around, that's worthy
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  Speaker 2: of at least Hall of Fame discussion. It's tougher in
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  Speaker 2: the NBA, because I mean, you'd have to play like
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  Speaker 2: thirty years in the NBA to really be an outlier
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  Speaker 2: from a longevity standpoint. But is that enough for you
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  Speaker 2: to be in the Hall of Fame? Maybe you were
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  Speaker 2: never the best at your position, Maybe you were never
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  Speaker 2: you know, like he's never been in an All pro
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL. Frank Gore has it. He's been a
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  Speaker 2: pro bowler, but not at all pro. Does he still
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  Speaker 2: deserve to be in because he played seventeen years at
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  Speaker 2: one of the toughest positions to last.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, especially with Frank Gore because he could run
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  Speaker 3: the ball between the tackles, and also he was great
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  Speaker 3: as far as in the clutch, as far as him
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  Speaker 3: in the short pass game. And so the answer is yes,
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  Speaker 3: so you've Longevity is a factor in sports. If you
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  Speaker 3: have a solid career and you play for a long
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  Speaker 3: time and you either on a championship team or near
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  Speaker 3: championships as far as playoff type teams all those years,
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  Speaker 3: you're definitely worthy.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I agree, Gordy, you're the man.
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  Speaker 2: I always appreciate your time.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks Sean peace out.
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