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Not So Fast Episode 20 · Not So Fast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Not So Fast with Andrew Perloff and Paul Pabst,
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  Speaker 1: where two longtime friends challenge each other on the biggest
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  Speaker 1: sports stories of the day. Here's Andrew Perloff and Paul Pabst.
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  Speaker 2: Not so fast, my friends. Welcome to Not So Fast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Perloff. He's Paul Paps. We are in the
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  Speaker 2: baseball corner of the Dan Patrick Show Man Cave. One
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  Speaker 2: of the best spots in this whole unbelievable building, Paul.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we got baseball behind us, baseball next to us,
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  Speaker 3: and baseball all day on NBC and Peacock. Four games
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  Speaker 3: coming up. You're going to get to those. Lou Merloni
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  Speaker 3: of NBC Sports, our old buddy from the Red Sox,
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  Speaker 3: will be joining us to get us ready for baseball.
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  Speaker 3: And an unbelievable night ahead. That was like a TV
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  Speaker 3: show at Soldier Field last night. We got to chop
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  Speaker 3: that up.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome. All right. Well, the MLB postseason begins today on
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  Speaker 2: NBC and Peacock. First up, Phillies and the Braves, followed
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  Speaker 2: by White Sox and Astros. Then in primetime, of course,
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  Speaker 2: Red Sox, Yankees. And then to wrap it up, the
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  Speaker 2: Cubs face the Padres. MLB Wild Card presented by AbbVie
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  Speaker 2: begins this afternoon on NBC and Peacock. Paul, there is
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  Speaker 2: a lot of positivity to this, but there's something I'm
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  Speaker 2: worried about.
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  Speaker 3: You're worried as a Phillies guy?
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  Speaker 2: No, as a human being, how are we going to sleep?
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  Speaker 2: When are we going to sleep, Paul?
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  Speaker 3: It's a great point. You've got to get your nap now.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how this is going to work, but
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  Speaker 3: you have to get an hour nap before watching 10 hours.
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  Speaker 3: And you're up late last night because it was a
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  Speaker 3: really good game. So October is the embrace not being
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  Speaker 3: rested month, but enjoying a lot of sports month.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's going to be so cool. And obviously, as
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  Speaker 2: you can tell, if you're watching us on NBC and Peacock,
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  Speaker 2: I'm wearing a Phillies jersey. Paul's wearing a Cubs jersey.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it is a little hard because we are
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  Speaker 2: rooting and trying to be analysts.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's start with Braves-Phillies. Braves outscored their opponents by
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  Speaker 3: 116 runs this year. Two years ago, it felt like
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  Speaker 3: that was the Braves' year, and they didn't get to it.
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  Speaker 3: Last year, a little down. Chris Sale is back, their
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  Speaker 3: starting pitcher. And the Phillies are wonky. There was a
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  Speaker 3: point in the season where the Phillies were a big disappointment,
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  Speaker 3: one of the biggest disappointments in sports. And now, do
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  Speaker 3: they feel like they've made the playoffs to make an appearance,
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  Speaker 3: or are they threatening?
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  Speaker 2: Well, in 2022, they were pretty bad during the regular season.
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  Speaker 2: Got all the way to the World Series. I'm hoping
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  Speaker 2: that magic rekindles, but they can't hit at all, Paul.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a little worried about the inconsistency.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, White Sox over the Astros. The AL West stinks, man.
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  Speaker 3: I guess they have to have someone out of the
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  Speaker 3: AL West. I think it's a rule. You have to
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  Speaker 3: have someone out of every division. The White Sox are
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  Speaker 3: a feel-good story, but can they be more than that?
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  Speaker 3: Because I think America would jump on their bandwagon. Two
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  Speaker 3: years ago, 121 losses. Feel good story. Not a lot
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  Speaker 3: of star power. Murakami, the Japanese slugger, he's kind of
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  Speaker 3: their star guy. You remember the celebration after they made
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs? It feels like that's the team that America
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  Speaker 3: could jump on the bandwagon.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Astro, they're the NFC South of baseball.
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  Speaker 2: First 500 team or lower to win a division. You're right.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody had to win this, but it feels like they're sputtering,
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  Speaker 2: which kind of makes them a little dangerous, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: And of course, the hangover from the Astros. Now, I
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  Speaker 3: know the scandal with the Astros is like nine years
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  Speaker 3: old now, but it doesn't feel.
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  Speaker 2: Like it ever goes away. No, not to fans.
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  Speaker 3: Not to fans.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Red Sox versus Yankees. We have some news on that one.
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  Speaker 3: The Sox have been streaky all year. There was a
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  Speaker 3: point in the season where it looked like the Sox
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  Speaker 3: were sellers at the trade deadline. And then they kind
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  Speaker 3: of got it back together. But the bigger news is
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  Speaker 3: it came out today. Yes, network. Aaron Judge is out
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  Speaker 3: for the wildcard round with the shin injury. He was
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  Speaker 3: banged up all season. He played 66 games. In those games,
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  Speaker 3: he hit 241. That's the lowest in eight years for him.
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  Speaker 3: He's 34 years old, Aaron Judge. He had a really
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  Speaker 3: good playoffs last year, but they didn't close the deal.
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  Speaker 3: He needs a signature playoff run that results in a
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  Speaker 3: World Series. And now He's not even in the playoffs yet.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I mean, you're already talking about
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  Speaker 2: his legacy in the end. I mean, this year we
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  Speaker 2: don't expect much. He's played seven games since May. But
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  Speaker 2: you can't tell me a 34-year-old Aaron Judge is on
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  Speaker 2: the downside.
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  Speaker 3: You can't be an all-time great Yankee and not have
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  Speaker 3: a World Series on your docket. It's almost automatic. It's
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  Speaker 3: like even harder than, it's easy almost with the Yankees.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, I guess the big issue is
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  Speaker 2: if they do get past the Red Sox, will we
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  Speaker 2: see him at all this postseason? But the Yankees' strength
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  Speaker 2: is their pitching, so who knows?
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  Speaker 3: You know, we had Joey Votto, the former Reds All-Star,
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  Speaker 3: earlier on the Dan Patrick Show. When he heard about
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  Speaker 3: the injury to Judge and him not playing in this series,
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  Speaker 3: he thought that it's way worse. If he was available
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  Speaker 3: and didn't play, you feel okay. But not available means
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  Speaker 3: he thinks he's out for a longer duration.
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  Speaker 2: And it's kind of a weird dynamic because it seemed
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  Speaker 2: like Judge wanted to play and the team had different ideas.
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  Speaker 3: Padres versus the Cubs, late night at NBC. Bullpen issues
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  Speaker 3: all year long with the Cubs. I mean, their bullpen...
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  Speaker 3: They just have to out-hit you. They truly have to
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  Speaker 3: out-hit you with PCA and everyone else on that team.
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  Speaker 3: And it's the opposite with the Padres. Mason Miller, you
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  Speaker 3: get it to him in the eighth and ninth, it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of over, Johnny, at 103 miles an hour.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I pulled PCA's stats from last year's playoffs. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: Not good.
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  Speaker 3: Not good.
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  Speaker 2: But 185, Paul, in the playoffs, I mean, they did
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  Speaker 2: beat the Padres.
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  Speaker 3: 185 is the weight you want. It's not what you
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  Speaker 3: want to hit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that he's actually under a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a microscope. It's been his breakout year. He's going to
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  Speaker 2: win the MVP title. A little bit of pressure. You know,
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  Speaker 2: young players can feel pressure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's pressure because he's going to get
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  Speaker 3: the MVP and he's going to get it over Otani.
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  Speaker 3: It kind of feels like a quarterback where you had
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  Speaker 3: this great regular season. You're going to get the MVP,
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  Speaker 3: but what do you do first in the playoffs?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a great night. This is
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  Speaker 2: an incredible wildcard round. I've got to be honest, as
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  Speaker 2: a Phillies fan, I'm excited about that.
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  Speaker 3: It's so tense, though, because if you're a team that,
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  Speaker 3: let's say you're the Braves and you've got a lot
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  Speaker 3: of wins, over 90 victories, You lose game one, it's
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  Speaker 3: like all this for nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It could be over so fast.
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  Speaker 2: And then you have the history with the Yankees, Red Sox.
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  Speaker 2: Feels to me... You can sit and analyze and predict everything,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm talking about everything that goes along with that.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like something wild is going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't it feel weirdly too early in the playoffs to
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  Speaker 3: have Yankees-Red Sox? Like North Carolina versus Duke in the
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  Speaker 3: first round of the NCAA tournament. Too early.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Great for ratings.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's going to be great for ratings, and it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be fun baseball because that's another series. We
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  Speaker 2: really have no idea what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of good TV, Monday Night Football, your guy, Case Keenum.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get to it.
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  Speaker 2: So... Chicago Bears, I'll be honest. If you don't know,
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  Speaker 2: if you haven't watched the show, I wrote a book
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  Speaker 2: with Case Keenum. He's a good buddy. But last night
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  Speaker 2: he was playing my Philadelphia Eagles with low expectations. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: this show predicted that he would do well. But low
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  Speaker 2: expectations around the NFL and he came out. It was
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  Speaker 2: almost flawless football in the first half especially. Case looked tremendous.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a little bothered by the lack of
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  Speaker 3: expectations for Case Keenum. He is the highest end of
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  Speaker 3: third string quarterbacks. Most teams don't even have a third
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  Speaker 3: string quarterback. This guy is an all-time college great. He
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  Speaker 3: was good when he played. Some could make the case
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  Speaker 3: that the Vikings should have never let him go when
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  Speaker 3: they were better with him. And so when he came out,
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  Speaker 3: what I really liked about this game was the first
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  Speaker 3: two plays they passed the ball. Nice, crisp, short passes.
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  Speaker 3: Not avoid your quarterback case game, embrace your quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the Eagles were geared up to stop
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  Speaker 2: the Bears running games. Last year, the Bears ran all
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  Speaker 2: over them. And Ben Johnson, head coach of the Bears...
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  Speaker 2: I'm starting to think he might be, if not one
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  Speaker 2: of the top three NFL head coaches, maybe the best
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  Speaker 2: NFL head coach. He totally toyed with Nick Sirianni and
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  Speaker 2: Vic Fangio. They had no idea what was coming.
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  Speaker 3: They played call that way to a win. Because if
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  Speaker 3: you look at the two quarterbacks, Caleb Williams is an improviser.
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  Speaker 3: He makes things happen. Case Keenum is the complete opposite.
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  Speaker 3: He's a timing quarterback, old school, a smaller dropback quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: But I bet you he got every pass out in
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  Speaker 3: under two and a half seconds last night.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't even want to say this, but
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  Speaker 2: I know you're excited about Caleb Williams and the Bears.
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  Speaker 2: Does it make you think that maybe Caleb Williams is
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  Speaker 2: in the right style for Ben Johnson? Because Ben Johnson
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  Speaker 2: was awesome in Detroit with Jared Goff, who never runs
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  Speaker 2: at all. Caleb Williams wants to extend every play as
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  Speaker 2: long as he can.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you could go back to last year, and they
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  Speaker 3: always wanted Caleb Williams to throw on platform, as they
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  Speaker 3: like to say, and he doesn't do that that often.
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  Speaker 3: He seems to be better at it. But going back
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  Speaker 3: to last night, there was a point in the first quarter,
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  Speaker 3: the Bears are playing well, Casey Keenum's a feel-good story,
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  Speaker 3: and everything's going well, and they didn't score. The Eagles
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  Speaker 3: get the ball back, and they go on this 99-yard drive.
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  Speaker 3: Hurts gets hurt, no pun, and they bring in Dalton. Dalton,
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  Speaker 3: one pass into the end zone pick, and it felt
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  Speaker 3: like the air came out of the balloon.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. They had other opportunities, too. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles then, it was 10-7 at halftime after that
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  Speaker 2: last-second Jalen Hurts touchdown.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It felt like at halftime, the feel-good story might have
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  Speaker 3: been over.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even think it was a game of momentum.
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  Speaker 2: There was a part early in the game on that
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  Speaker 2: 99-yard drive where Saquon was running the ball well for
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles. But I'm not sure that Philadelphia's a great matchup.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there was any way they were coming
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  Speaker 2: out with a W last night. They're 2-1 now. It
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  Speaker 2: felt like they were dying to lose a game the
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  Speaker 2: first two weeks. So I know what you're saying, that
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  Speaker 2: one play by Andy Dalton might have affected everything. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure that Chicago just didn't outplay them all night long.
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  Speaker 3: You know, in the second half, Keenum stepped on the gas, 247,
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  Speaker 3: two touchdowns. He ran in a quarterback sneak where they
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  Speaker 3: call their, basically like their surprise sneak where the linemen
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  Speaker 3: pull another way and he ran. The defensive linemen were
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  Speaker 3: completely surprised. Jalen Hurts couldn't get it together. Saquon Barkley
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  Speaker 3: didn't run as much in the second half. I want
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  Speaker 3: to go with the fallout of this before we get
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  Speaker 3: back to Keenum. The fallout of this for the Eagles
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  Speaker 3: today is what? They're still 2-1.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, not much. Everyone expected this.
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  Speaker 5: Really?
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  Speaker 2: They looked awful the first two weeks. Against Washington, they
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  Speaker 2: didn't have anything going offensively. Then against Titans, they only
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  Speaker 2: got it going toward the end of the game. That
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  Speaker 2: was the Titans.
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  Speaker 3: I'm kind of surprised by your reaction here. I thought
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  Speaker 3: in Philadelphia today this would be like national embarrassment time.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think the Philadelphia fans are very skeptical. They're very,
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  Speaker 2: very knowledgeable. I mean, they're not like normal fans. They
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  Speaker 2: know this offense in and out, and they knew that
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  Speaker 2: something's not clicking for four quarters with Sean Mannion and
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts. This is my opinion. I listened to the
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  Speaker 2: Three Eagles podcast this morning. They're like, wow, we saw
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  Speaker 2: this coming because the offense has not been humming all
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  Speaker 2: season long.
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  Speaker 3: There was an unbelievable play here. I think we just
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  Speaker 3: showed where Edwards, the linebacker for the Bears, is looking
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  Speaker 3: into the huddle and trying to see what Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 3: is saying. And he's reading his lips or actually hearing
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  Speaker 3: what he says, drops back.
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  Speaker 2: Here it is right here.
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  Speaker 3: It's like he was almost in the huddle there. Drops back,
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  Speaker 3: almost on cue, and made the interception. It's one of
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  Speaker 3: the plays of the night.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a second play like that where he
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  Speaker 2: dropped back and almost intercepted it. There was some writing
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  Speaker 2: after the game that Dennis Allen knew this play was coming,
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  Speaker 2: the defense coordinator for the Bears, and that Hurts is
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: not good when the linebacker drops off. Again, Bears outcoach
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles in every single turn.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let's look at the Bears going forward. Case Keenum starts,
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  Speaker 3: plays well. It was like one of those major... events
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  Speaker 3: last night. They were celebrating with their kids. I thought
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  Speaker 3: he was retiring after the game. Maybe he should have.
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  Speaker 3: Going forward for the Bears, Caleb Williams out a month, likely.
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  Speaker 3: Do you pivot back to Tyson Bajent, or do you
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  Speaker 3: ride Case Keenum until it goes poorly?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you've got to ride Case for one more game.
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  Speaker 2: The Jets are coming up. And it feels like this
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  Speaker 2: is not going to be good for Case because it
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: was such a high. How do you go any higher? Typically,
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: you come down from that. No, you can't switch up
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  Speaker 2: and down, especially because the offense moves so well. I
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  Speaker 2: was actually surprised. I thought Bajan might even play last night.
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  Speaker 2: He got out of the concussion protocol on Saturday, but
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  Speaker 2: they went with Case. It just seems like Case fits
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  Speaker 2: this offense very well. Remember in the preseason, Case played
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns in week one, had the game of
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  Speaker 2: his life. It was 9 for 10, 180 yards, two touchdowns.
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  Speaker 2: So he obviously is very comfortable. Bajan is also comfortable,
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  Speaker 2: but you've got to ride this until the wheels come on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not near the experience. I think the fans would
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  Speaker 3: revolt if you replaced Case Keenum right now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I wonder, though, is Caleb Williams definitely out, too?
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  Speaker 3: Well, they've said two to four weeks. You see him
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: on the sidelines. Everyone's trying to read body language. They're like,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't have a hitch in his step, but he's
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  Speaker 3: walking out of the field.
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  Speaker 2: Two weeks? That would be two weeks. It would be.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's get to helmet stickers last night. I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to let you go first. I think it's obvious
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  Speaker 3: where you're going. I'm going to yield the floor to
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  Speaker 3: you and your co-author.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not doing Case Keenum. He deserves more than
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: a helmet sticker for that. He deserves a statue outside
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: the Not So Fast studio. I'm going to go with
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: a surprise wide receiver, Kalief Raymond.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Kalief Raymond, he's on his 15th in 10 years. He
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  Speaker 2: is 17th in the league in receiving yards, which is amazing,
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: because you have Roma Dunze and you have Colston Loveland,
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  Speaker 2: and it seems like the Bears quarterbacks only want to
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  Speaker 2: throw to Kalief Raymond.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it is funny that I didn't think in week
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  Speaker 3: three I'd be discussing the Case Keenum-Kalief Raymond connection being
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  Speaker 3: one of the best, hottest in the NFL, but that's
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  Speaker 3: a great pick. I'm going to go my helmet ticker
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  Speaker 3: to Case Keenum. We weren't that surprised. I think we
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  Speaker 3: had the clip yesterday of us talking about this game,
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  Speaker 3: and we weren't that surprised. We believed in Case Keenum
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  Speaker 3: from the standpoint of, Yeah, he's not like an all-star.
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  Speaker 3: He's not an all-pro, and it's been a long time.
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  Speaker 3: But here's what we had to say yesterday. I think
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  Speaker 3: they're going to have trouble with Keenum because he is
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  Speaker 3: beyond a veteran. The guy's 38 years old. He's got
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  Speaker 3: more gray hair than us. But they have no tape
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  Speaker 3: on the guy. He doesn't play a lot. He hasn't
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  Speaker 3: started the game in three years.
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  Speaker 2: I think the Bears win this one 21-19. The Eagles
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  Speaker 2: almost lost to the Titans, and you saw how bad
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  Speaker 2: the Titans were this weekend. The Eagles' offense has yet
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: to figure out its rhythm.
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  Speaker 3: I'll go 24-23 Bears. Completely self-serving by us.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, we were wrong. It was 27-7. We
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: had a close game. It should have been a close game,
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  Speaker 2: by the way. The teams were evenly matched. But I
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: think once the Eagles fell behind too far, they kind
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: of gave up on the game.
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: You know, a bigger picture, forget about the Eagles and
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: the Bears. That was a great night for sports. That
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: was a night where you're like, if you didn't have
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: a dog in the fight and you're just sitting down
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: to watch Monday Night Football, you're like, this is a
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: fantastic story of a guy who's 38 and never really
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: had that great moment in the pros. I know he
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: had some good days with the Vikings. But it felt
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: like great TV.
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. It felt like Case won the Super Bowl.
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: I thought he was going to say, I'm going to
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: Disneyland after the game. I don't know if you watch
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: all the post-game interviews. His daughter was out with SVP.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: His wife was on camera. Hi, Kimberly, if you're watching.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: It was a great night for Case. Maybe I was
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: thinking to myself, you know, you have the Jets in
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: six days. Maybe, you know, what if you win that game?
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: Is it going to be as exciting? Forget it. He's rolling.
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: All right. We're going to have a lot more NFL
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: coming up, including I have an interesting take. It is
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: not the Chinese year of the horse. It is a
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: year of the backup quarterback. Get excited. That's next on
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: Not So Fast.
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: First time I met Andrew Perloff, I remember it well.
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: I was with Dan Patrick at the SI Studios in
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: New York City in the offices. And we were talking
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: to different editors about editing Dan's page. And the first
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: guy came in, the second guy came in, and they
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: were normal, nice guys. And Andrew came in kind of
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: like Kramer, just like papers. And then like one shirt,
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: the thing was out, but he was funny and he
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: had ideas and he was goofy, but he had ideas
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: and they were funny ideas. And then we met two
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: more people. And when we got done, Dan and I,
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: I think we took a train home for God's sake.
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: And he goes, which guy do you like? I'm like,
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: you know, the tall guy. And we didn't remember anybody's name.
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: He goes, the guy who looked like McLovin from Superbad?
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, he's a little older than that, like
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: McLovin's uncle. He goes, yeah, that guy. So we call
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: back and say, like, we like that guy, like Andrew Perloff.
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I think that's his name, but he
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: stuck out in a good way. All right, Pearl, back
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: on Not So Fast, Paps and Perloff. Midday Pigment. This
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: is the Dodgers bonus coverage for the postseason. Baseball glove
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: bowl of nachos. You know, sign me up. A plastic
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: glove full of questionable cheese and nachos. I would wolf
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: that down in a second.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. When did the tradition of putting nachos in
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: non-bowls start in baseball? I feel like it's been around
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: for a while.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: I would like to know. Maybe we could call Peter
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: Gammons or some historian like that or.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: I think that's a moment that is really, you know,
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: there's Jackie Robinson, of course, playing, and then there's the
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: first person to put nachos into a helmet. Of course.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: Those are classic moments. Now, if you think about those moments, though,
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: I've been to Cubs games before, and you get the
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: helmet of nachos. You've got to eat them fast. They
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: can get a little soupy in inning 7, 8, 9
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: in the hot summer.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be honest. I do like the concept. I
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: don't like having too messy of food here. I'm more
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: of a straight— Peanuts and Diet Coke. Yeah, you are.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: A lot of baseball coming up today, but it's time
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: for Warm Takes. It's what we do here on Not
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: So Fast. And I'm going to go first, Pearl. I'm
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: going to stay with baseball. Baseball playoffs are here. It's
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: a month-long session of baseball, and it hits you hard
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: with the wild card. And as much as I love football,
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: there's a difference to the playoffs in baseball. There's attention,
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: bat to bat, pulling the pitcher, bringing the pitcher in, bunt,
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. And I find it to
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: be a more tense sport in the postseason. the pauses,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: the foul ball calls, all the different things that increase
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: the drama, the likelihood of extra innings. And there's another
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: thing that happens. I think it's unique to baseball, maybe
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: not to other sports. It's superstition. I'll be watching a game,
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: my team in the playoffs. If I'm sitting in a
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: certain chair and they get three hits in a row,
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: I'm not leaving that chair. And it works in reverse order.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: If I'm standing in the kitchen watching the kitchen TV
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: and they give up three runs, I am out of
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: the kitchen for the rest of the night. I like
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: to think that I'm not superstitious as a person, But
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: I think we all have that superstition as a sports
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: fan in the moment. If you're watching your football team,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: baseball team, basketball team in a certain room in the
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: house and they start playing well, you're not going. I've
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: been at bars before with people. And when a team
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: is doing well, they're like, let's stay here. Or if
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: a team is not doing well, my buddies are like,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: let's go to another bar. It's just not working out
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: for Team X. So superstitions is real in sports. And
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: as much as I'd like to say I don't have
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: it and you'd like to say it, you know you
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: have it. Tell me what yours is because everybody has it. Pearl,
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: what's yours?
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Well, you're saying, by the way, that it's real. Like,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: do you think it actually affects the play? For example,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: if I am standing by my refrigerator and Jalen Hurts
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: throws a touchdown and then I move, is Jalen Hurts
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: definitely going to suffer? Like, I'm trying to assess what
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: you're saying here.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: You both don't believe it's real, but you don't want
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: to mess with it, right?
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: So you're superstitious-ish.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. No, I'm absolutely, I stand in my house
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: where they're doing well, and then I move. There's a
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: scene in Always Sunny in Philadelphia where Jason Kelsey comes
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: on and explains that everything we do out on the
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: field is because of where you are standing in your kitchen.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, whether it's real or not, it's happening, Paul.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: We are all superstitious.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: We don't walk under ladders, and when our team gets
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: four hits in a row, we stay in that chair.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: That's what we do.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: All right. Absolutely. Okay. You know, Paul, I love me
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: some backup quarterbacks. I know a lot of backup quarterbacks.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: They're always the friendliest guy on the team. Often they
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: become head coaches. I got to tell you, 2026 is
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: the year of the backup quarterback. There's a stat that
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: was put out by ESPN Insights that really sums it up.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Quarterbacks who did not start week one for their team
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: are now 6-0 for their team. No quarterback who did
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: not start week one and started another game has lost
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: a game. Carson Wentz is 1-0. Marcus Mariota is 1-0.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Jameis Winston, believe it or not, beat the Titans. He's 1-0.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Of course, Case. Panics came back and won. And Drew Locke,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: you forgot about two weeks ago, won. So there seems
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: to be something going on here. And I'm kind of
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: making light of this. But I have a theory, Paul,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: why backup quarterbacks are doing well. Go ahead. I think
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: we're seeing some very strong head coaching around the league.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I think last night you can bring in a Case
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Keenum and he's running Ben Johnson's offense. And Ben Johnson
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: had so many tricks up his sleeve, the Eagles did
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: not know what was coming.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: So they're being propped up a little bit.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: It's not even that they're being propped up. I think
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: that the systems are so strong right now that they
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: can win with almost any quarterback. You look at, obviously,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Seattle with Mike McDonald. That coaching staff is great. Kevin
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: O'Connell has proven he can win with a variety of quarterbacks,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: even though their offense has been terrible. So I think
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: in today's day and age, with the systems we're seeing
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: around after Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, I think they're set
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: up so backup quarterbacks can win.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the backup quarterbacks, we always hear
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: the phrases that they don't get first-team reps anymore. It's
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: not like they're not doing anything.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know. I mean, they've also, these guys have
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: been around.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the more age you have on the backup quarterback,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: like a McCown brother back in the day, age is
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: a good thing for a backup quarterback. I don't want
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: my backup being 23 years old.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Even a guy like Drew Locke. Surprisingly, he's over 28
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: years old.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, he's been around a while now.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: So that's the kind of guy you want.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: It's funny, if you have a young rookie, for example,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: the Rams, of course, draft Ty Simpson, but then they
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: want to make Stetson Bennett the backup. So Fernando Mendoza,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: there was talk he'd be third string behind Aiden O'Connell
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: or somebody there. Yeah, O'Connell. So basically, coaches are smart.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: They want the old guy to run the system if
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: they need to put in the backup.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: All right, let's stay with backup quarterbacks and go back
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: last night to Monday night. Football at Soldier Field.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Here we go.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I must have heard 38 times last night on the
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: air that Case Keenum is 38 years old. I don't
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: know why that's such a big topic. There are a
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: lot of quarterbacks over 35 in the league, and now
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: it's not even that big of a deal. We have
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks over 40 playing well, like Aaron Rodgers. But Case
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Keenum's age I didn't think was a negative in any way.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Rustiness?
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Age? No.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: I think a guy like him knows all the ins
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: and outs of the sport. And by being on the sidelines,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: he may know even more than some guys who are playing.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: You know, this isn't the 1970s where Ken Stabler looked 70,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: even though he was 30. These athletes are in better shape.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: They got all the physical and mental abilities to do
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: what they want to do. They have all the training
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: and the eating. So 38 now is not 38 of
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: the 80s, plus the money. You know, Case Keenum is
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: making $ 2 million a year to be like a player coach,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: so he had his unbelievable night last night. But you
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be surprised. A guy like him who threw for
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: 20,000 yards in college, he doesn't forget how to play
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: because he's not playing for three years. And I think
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: he was completely underrated by mostly the media and the
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: fans last night. So back to Keenum. This was one
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: of those nights you don't get very often in your career.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: If this is his last start, which it probably won't be,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: it felt like a celebration. But don't be surprised when
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: a veteran does something. Like Joe Flacco a couple years ago.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Flacco.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Flacco couldn't run when he was young. What do you
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: think he's going to run now? Case Keenum wasn't fast
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: when he was young. The same player he was. Case Keenum,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: they're like, you know, he doesn't have that big of
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: an arm. Calm down a little bit. Just because he's
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: a small guy, he has a very good arm. So
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: it's almost like it was dismissive going into the game
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: and everyone bought into the concept.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I mean, Matthew Stafford is
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: playing incredible football at 38 and he's a guy who never,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you know, if you're a mobile quarterback, it's a different formula.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen, will he last till 38? I don't know.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Will Lamar Jackson be the same quarterback?
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Cam Newton after 30 is not the same Cam Newton.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't affect a guy like Case Keenum. It
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: doesn't affect a guy like Andrew Perloff on the basketball
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: court because I could never run and jump anyway. I'm
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: just an outside shooter.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: And now you can really, really not run and jump.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: But you're right about Case Keenum, though. Case did say
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: after the game, he gave an interview, Paul, you'll appreciate this.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And he said, well, one thing I decided to play
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: again this year, I had to change my diet immediately
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: to get back in football shape. So he had to
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: eat right for a whole summer.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I want to know the Texas off-the-board diet by Case Ginnis.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: That's the diet I want.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: No, it's probably a lot of barbecue. Come June, he's like, sorry,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: no more barbecue. But you're right, 38 is definitely not old.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Although Case did say, I don't know how many more
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: of these I'm going to have. Feels like he's had
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: enough football. You're right, he was in Houston for a
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: long time. He's good.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Two more starts and right off into the sunset.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Okay, I'm going to have a combo NFL college
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: football topic here. Now, the University of Michigan, of course,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: did win the title, and that was great. But since then, Paul,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: things have not exactly gone according to plan. There's so
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: many little signs of things that have gone wrong with
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the Wolverines. Obviously, all the NCAA problems. Then you get
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Jerome Moore takes over. We know about him. He's a
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: total disaster. There was a guy with the program, Matt Weiss.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Remember him? He did the things on the computer. I
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: don't even know where his legal case is. But it's
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: not just that. It's the NFL part, too. Jim Harbaugh,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: who's still associated with that title team, is 0-3. And
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: then J.J. McCarthy, I think we can say it now,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: that he's traded from the Vikings to the Giants for
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: a fifth-round pick. That is officially a bust. We don't
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: like the word bust, but it says bust.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: He's entered the bust zone.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: So what has happened now? And then Michigan loses to
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Western Michigan when they kind of cheated. I mean, it
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: wasn't their fault, but they got an extra second.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: You know, we've talked about this before, Perloff. We said,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: will you sell your soul for a title? Did Michigan
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: sell their future for a title?
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: They absolutely did. And then I was going to say Iowa,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: last second touchdown, that whole drive was a mess for Michigan.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: So it feels like everything from the championship team has
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: gone downhill. And now people, future generations are going to say, wait,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: was it all Connor Stallions? Harbaugh needs to win to
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: help his former team.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: And 10 years from now, you can have the reunion
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: of the national title team and all the badness will
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: be off it. All right, let's stick to that with
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: the college football play of the season. And you just
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: referenced it, Pearl. Now, it was NC State versus Vandy.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I'm very sorry about this one, but this was an
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: all-time bad play. So we're tracking this all season. The
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: best play, the greatest play, the wonkiest play of the
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: college football. You remember this from a couple weeks ago?
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: NC State going to win this game. And here's what
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: happened against Vandy. Oh, I can't believe we're showing it again.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: This seems cruel and unusual.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: It does seem like we're piling on. We're flogging the
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: horse a little bit. You know what, Perloff? Here's the
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: next play. Here we go, Perloff. This is the next play.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Iowa quarterback Hank Brown to wide receiver Reese Van Der
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Zee to end the game against Michigan, as you referenced earlier.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Back shoulder, bango, win, walk off, back to Iowa City.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Well, we have a big audience in Michigan, I know.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: We're not trying to rub it in, but this was
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: play of the year. This was unbelievable.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: And so let's let NC State off the hook. Let's
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: go to Iowa. The quarterback's name is Hank Brown, a
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: very Iowa-sounding name, Hank Brown. Great play, Iowa play.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Of the year.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and also it's Iowa. They do not have plays
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: like this. You know, touchdown passes, things like that. That's
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: not an Iowa thing, let alone dramatic touchdown passes.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Not in big games.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: So you're right. You know, you're right. I do think
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the Vandy NC State play will go down in history,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: but we're going to be positive here.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: We're going to be positive. All right, let's talk some
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: more baseball in a little bit. Lou Merloni of NBC
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Sports will be joining us. And coming up next, LeBron
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: haircut talking about why he's a Sixer.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Stick around.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: This is Not So Fast.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Not So Fast. Perloff here. Paps there.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Big day of baseball at NBC and Peacock. Let's run
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: it down. 2 p.m. Phillies at Braves. 5 p.m. White
• 25:21
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• 25:24
  Speaker 2: at Yankees at NBC and Peacock. And 10 p.m. Paul's
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Cubs at the Padres on Peacock and NBCSN. It's so exciting.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you which series I'm more excited for, Paul,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: because I'm into all of them. But the early game
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: has got me really nervous about the Phillies.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: You've got to get home fast, bud.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I've got to get home fast. Prime time is a whopper,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: of course. Red Sox, Yankees, and here to talk about
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: it is Lou Merloni. Of course, calls games for Nesson.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: He's here on behalf of NBC. He's going to call
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: the game tonight with Jason Benetti and Joe Girardi. Lou,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: how you doing? Lou, do you happen to remember when
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: you filled in for DP's show? It might have been
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: a decade ago. You came in and you were hanging
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: with the Danettes in the old Milford Man Cave, and
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: it was awesome. I don't even know if you remember that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: I do remember that because I didn't want to leave
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: that studio. I think we were shooting hoop. I mean,
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: it was the best studio I've ever seen.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Lou, I remember you being here and you judged
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: our batting stances and you just had your hand over
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: your head like, these guys clearly never played baseball.
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: Well, that was a long time ago, so I'm sure
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: the stances have improved with all the technology out there.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: All right, Lou, obviously big game today. What was your
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: reaction to the official Aaron Judge will not be on
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: the Yankees playoff roster when the news came out?
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: Well, that Stanton, I guess, is apparently closer because, you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: if there's one pinch hit opportunity for Stanton in the game,
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: they're going to give it to Stanton rather than Judge.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: So I know there was a lot of debate, right,
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: like do you want Judge in there or not because
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: he can only DH, which may get Goldschmidt or Rice
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: out of the lineup because that would be a tough
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: decision for Booney. I have a hard time rooting for
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: Judge to be in the game because if he do,
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: he's going to hit two or three home runs. But, no,
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: I thought it was interesting. They don't want to push him,
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: and they're hoping that they can obviously move on and
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: he'll be in better shape for the next round.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: You know, Lou, we had Joey Votto on earlier on
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: the Dan Patrick Show, and he said his concern was
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: when you leave someone out for a series, that makes
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: him think that the injury is worse and could be
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: the entire playoffs. Is that something you felt or are
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: you not sure yet?
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not so sure.
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: You know, Judge is one of the best. When healthy,
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: he's the best hitter in the game, right? He's top
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: two or three, whatever you want to call it. So
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: I know I'm sure he was itching to get back
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: into this. No superstar at his level wants to miss
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: a playoff game knowing that, you know, this thing could
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: end without him getting in at bat. So I do
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: think it plays a little mind game, but I think
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: if they can move on, I think then he's going
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: to push hard to hopefully be available after that.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, Lou, it's funny because the Yankees now are more
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: of a pitching team for this series. How concerned are
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: you from your Red Sox fandom about the Yankees' three starters?
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I think.
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: I think both staffs, both starters are all capable, all
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: six of them. So I think offensively, this is going
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: to be, I don't expect to see eight to seven.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: That's why I think, you know, we may see it.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: I don't know, but that's the way it works sometimes.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: But I think runs would be tough to come by.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: I'm with you. The starting rotation is outstanding. I can
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: tell you tonight, I'd hate to be one of the
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: first three or four hitters because these guys are going
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: to be throwing about 110, I think, in the first
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: couple innings, maybe hitting a bottom third, get them down
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: velocity wise. But There's some elite pitching on both sides,
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: so it's going to be a challenge, I think, for
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: both teams. That's why I think scoring early is going
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: to be very important in this series.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: You know Peyton Tolley. You cover the Red Sox on
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: a daily basis. He's kind of this breakout star, the mustache,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: the character. He's one of those guys that you're like,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I wish he was on my team. Plus, he's obviously
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: a great pitcher. When a guy like that has that
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: type of tone, you played with guys like that back
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: in the old days. How loose does that make a
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: ball club going into the playoffs?
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: Well, it's nothing like seeing a guy in game one
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: starter in Yankee Stadium kind of joking and laughing before
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: a game and just looking at him going, OK, everything's
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: the same, right? Like this is the same guy because
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: you're right.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: He's a tough guy to hate.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, I know Yankee fans may not like him
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: if he goes out and throws the ball real well.
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: But if you know this guy, you'd root for him.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: He plays with joy. He's always smiling. He's joking. He's
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: laughing on the mound. And when that glove comes up
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: to his face, it's game on. I mean, he tries
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: to bully you. So it's great to see. It's refreshing
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: to see. And hopefully he never changes because it's a
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: lot of fun.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Lou, take us back to the spring and early summer.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: It really didn't look good for the Red Sox. Was
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: there any reason for hope back then? Did you see
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: any of this coming?
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: Well, I remember back then it was like you're 10,
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: 14 games under. 500 and you're saying, you know, this
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: normally doesn't happen when you look at a team that
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: is one of the best defensively. team in the American
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: League that has a very good rotation and a lights-out
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: back end at a bullpen. Like, that type of team
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: should not be the worst team in baseball in the
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: American League.
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: They should not.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: be 14 games under. But the offense at the time
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: was so bad, especially at Fenway Park. They couldn't get
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: that big hit. They couldn't get the run in the score.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: They were averaging two, two and a half runs a
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: game at Fenway, which is unheard of. So you say,
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: but are there answers here offensively? Who's going to come
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: to the rescue? Where's the difference? Where's the changing going
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: to take place? And I think as a whole, they
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: just grinded out at bats. They had tougher at bats.
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: They started getting those big hits. And when the offense
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: went from scoring two and a half to three runs
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: a game to four and a half, five That elite pitching,
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: that elite defense allowed them to go on that run.
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: So you could see it, but you were questioning where
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: that offense could come from.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: All right, the series before yours, the White Sox are playing,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: and they're a bit of a feel-good story. 121 losses
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: two years ago. When you look at a team like that,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know if America thinks they can go on
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: a run. It's like, oh, good for you, kind of cute.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: You saw them play a lot during the regular season.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: What do you think of the White Sox' chances to
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: advance even one round?
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, the thing is, that's part of the
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: whole Red Sox when they got hot. They rolled into Chicago.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: They came into Fenway Park, and the Red Sox beat them.
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: They were 6-0, you know, and they kind of walked
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: through them a little bit. There were some tight games there. So,
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: you know, I was actually surprised. I've been on some
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: of those teams. Like, I was, I think it was 0-4.
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: I was in Cleveland, and we had a great young
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: group of guys, and young Victor Martinez and Travis Hafner
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: and CeCe and all these guys. But we were young,
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: and it really kind of affected us. Like, in August,
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: when we started getting to that race, and we just
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: really fell off. That's why I was really impressed with
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: what the White Sox did. They held on, right? They
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: rolled into Chicago and won a series in Detroit late
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: in the seasons and really held that spot. So it
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: was impressive. It's just you wonder, you know, they're in
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: the right bracket, I will say that, but you wonder,
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: you know, how far that pitching could take them. The
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: offense has been fantastic.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: All right, Lou, do you have a prediction who comes
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: out of the American League? Well, let's see. I grew
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: up just outside of Boston.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: I played there for 10 years and now I do
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: 120 games for the Red Sox on Nesson. So and
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: I'm not so sure if I'm supposed to give predictions
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: right before the game. But I listen to the Red Sox.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: I think the Rays are the best team in the
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: American League. That doesn't mean that they will win it, right?
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: Because this is baseball. This is the 2026 season. So
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: I'm very impressed with watching them. And I think Red Sox, Yankees,
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: I just think it's coming out of that bracket. You know,
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: it's just coming out of that bracket. Obviously, I'm a
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: little biased.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: All right, Lou, before we get you out of here.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: By the way, it's great to see you again. It's
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: been a long time. We do a thing here called
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Such Thing is a Dumb Question. We did not play baseball.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: When you watch baseball movies, they always tell the kid,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: get hit by a pitch. Were you ever told when
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: you played in the pros... Get hit by a pitch,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: or did you ever intentionally get hit by a pitch
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: and get congratulated by your manager and your teammates?
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: Well, I would say I was never told to get
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: hit by a pitch, but for me at times when
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: it was two strikes, I mean, I wasn't exactly moving.
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: You know, two strikes, I'm trying to get on base. Like,
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: that was my role. You know, I was utility guy
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: for the team. When I played, get on base. If
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: it's two strikes and it's a breaking ball or a fastball,
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: I just sort of turn that arm and take it
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: and move on.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: And then, yeah, and then it's just like, hey, good job.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: You know, wearing one.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: When you're running down to first base, do you act
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: like it hurts, like it was a total accident?
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: No, I think you want to sort of act like
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: it doesn't hurt, right? But sometimes you just can't help
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: it because it gets you in the right spot where
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: you're trying to be the tough guy, but it got
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: you pretty good.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Lou, we're working on our stances. This is Mike Schmidt. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: We got a lot of work to do. And you
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: have a lot of work tonight. I think everyone will
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: be watching 8 p.m. Eastern, Red Sox, Yankees. Have a
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: great time tonight. All right. Appreciate it, guys. Enjoy. Oh, man.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Lou got me fired up for that because, you know,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: he knows this rivalry. It's been a little cooler in
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: recent years, but this series, because it's so evenly matched,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's back on in a big way.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like either one of them is a heavyweight.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Back in the day, it would be the Dodgers- Sox, Yankees,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: and maybe one other. It feels like Sox, Yankees, they're
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: just a little down from where they were a decade ago.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. I mean, especially tonight because there's no judge. Yes.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: But that makes it even better because it's going to
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: be so evenly matched. I can't wait. Of course, as again,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: 8 p.m. Eastern tonight on NBC and Peacock. All right.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: But coming up next, we're going to hear more from
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: the Bears-Eagles game. My guy, Case Keenum, with the night.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Although he did have the Minneapolis miracle, but we'll break
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: it all down next. Not so fast.
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: The Yankees without Aaron Judge means what for that lineup?
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: You're leaning on Schlittler. You're leaning on Cole. I can't
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: stand it. And I don't think he's going to be back.
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: If he can't play now, he's clearly... not going to
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: be useful throughout the entirety of the playoffs if they
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: do happen to go deep into the playoffs. If you're
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: hurt and you can't play, and I watched a bunch
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: of his live at-bats yesterday, and you can't play in
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: the first series, what's he going to be, 50%, 75%
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: come the ALCS or the World Series? It's a huge
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: hit to that roster because their offense is mediocre at best.
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: They may be one of the bottom five offenses in
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: all of baseball without Aaron Judge.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Back on Not So Fast, Paxton Perloff. Baseball playoffs start
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: today on NBC Sports. All day, 10 hours plus of baseball.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: That's Joey Votto. If I'm a Yankees fan and I
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: heard that, now he was told moments before about the injury,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: so that was his real reaction. That doesn't sound good.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: No, that does sound bad, but it's funny. We had
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Lou Merloni, of course, the Red Sox guy in the
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: last segment. He's like, well, I'm glad Judge isn't playing
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: because he would have hit two or three home runs.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: When you see Judge at the plate, that man mountain,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: you just have a feeling that he still could hit
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: a home run. So I'm not sure I agree with
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Votto in the sense I take 65% of Aaron Judge
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: right now. The Yankees need him.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: I read this article about Aaron Judge. It's from like
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: seven years ago, and it was talking about his future.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Once he hits like 28, they said, being that tall
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: and with that long swing, He's not going to be
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: that good after age 28 or 29. Not so fast
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: on that one.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what? He's been awesome. I mean, I'm
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: going to out you. Pre-show, you started to wonder. He's 34.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's 34. He feels younger than that.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, would you bet on him for the
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: next six years?
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: I don't think you have a choice if you're the Yankees. Financially,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: they're already kind of committed to him. But there's a
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: guy where he's going to go down in history in
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: some fashion. whether it be a disappointment. Not a disappointment personally,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: but if he doesn't win a World Series.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Disappointment because he's so great that if he didn't get
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: all the way, absolutely.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: He may get that quarterback treatment of the guy who
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: does not win the title.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Well, Barry Bonds never won, and he's still legendary for
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: a couple reasons.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: A couple reasons.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Joey Votto, by the way, he's one of my favorite
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: guests with Dan. He's got incredible chemistry. He had another
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: take about how cool it is to see left-handed batters.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Dan actually asked me about that. I am so on board.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: What is this based on?
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Well, it's because everyone loves Ken Griffey, right? Ken Griffey
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: and A-Rod were in Seattle together in the 90s. Nobody
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: cared about A-Rod. It was all about Griffey's beautiful swing.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Of course, Ted Williams. Votto said the lefties have more
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: of an uppercut. I like watching lefties do anything. I
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: don't care if it's Michael Penix Jr. I don't care
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: if it's Harold Miner. Give me a left. Chris Mullen.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Any left-handed athlete, to me, it's just more interesting to
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: watch them play.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: I wonder if this comes back to childhood where lefties
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: felt special. Remember you being flasked? And someone would go,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: I'm left-handed. You're like, oh, that kid's left-handed. It feels
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: like they're special without actually accomplishing anything.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Well, to me, the prettiest swing in baseball is Bryce Harper.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: It's just when he gets a hold of one, it's beautiful.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber's not far behind. It doesn't even matter if
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: they're on my team or not, if they're Phillies. I
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: love left-handed hitters. And Votto is so funny talking about that.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: He is so cool. And the outfit, I was like,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: where is this Joey Votto? Is he going to a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: prom or something? He looked pretty good.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: All right, let's go back to Monday Night Football last night,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: career night for Case Keenum. unbelievable night for the bears, 27,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: seven over the Eagles. And here's a little bit of
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: case Keenum after the game.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Playing well, anytime in your career feels good, um, to
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: do it on Monday night football. Um, after, uh, after you,
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: you thought you weren't ever going to play again, multiple times. Um, golly, um,
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: this is special. Uh, it's really special. Uh, and I
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: don't know if I'll be able to put it into words, uh,
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: tonight um but i'm gonna enjoy it tonight that's for sure.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah i love to see our buddy case keenum doing
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: so well you know what stands out it's obviously the
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: humility he's you know some quarterbacks win and just be
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: like oh you know this is what i do you
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: can tell he wears emotions on the sleeve he was
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: as happy as the fans were.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah and if you go if you look at it
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: from a reality standpoint if you're a bears fan and
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: you're thinking about advancing this season in the playoffs further
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: than you did last year This could be a big game,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: and the next two games could be huge because you
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: took a loss and made it to a win with
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: a third-string quarterback. And if somehow they just barely sneak
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: in the playoffs, Case will be remembered for that, for
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: riding the ship for two or three weeks.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's a huge deal. It's a conference game. You
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: know what? It also was a statement. Ben Johnson and
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Dennis Allen, the defensive coordinator, that's an elite coaching staff.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: People said Ben Johnson's never done it with a backup,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: but there he did.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: By the way, bonus coverage. Big guy, big moment last night.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Joe Tooney, the offensive left guard for the Bears. Case
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Keenan should thank him. Watch this play on the blitz.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Watch Tooney, top of your screen. He is about to
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: get de-cleated, and that one forearm, complete pass for a
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: first down here. Great job by Joe Tooney. We feature
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: the big guys here on Not So Fast.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, love it. Love it. I can't believe Case kept
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: saying it in the pocket with Jalen Carter coming at him.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Good job all around. All right, speaking of Philly, LeBron
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: made his sort of debut yesterday, said lots of stuff,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: and explained kind of why he wanted to go to
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: the 76ers.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: We have to be comfortable with being uncomfortable. That is
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: the best way to expedite being great. You have to
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: fall in love with doing things that's uncomfortable. And if
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: we can do that, then we can be a great team.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: If we don't do that, then we'll be like, oh man,
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: it was a great team on paper and we had
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: a lot of great talent and we lost in the
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: second round.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Like, I.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Don't want to do that. I didn't leave my family
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: to lose in the second round. I know that for sure. So,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: Work needs to be done, and I'm ready to put
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: the work in.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: By the way, I'm not 100% sure what he's talking
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: about there, but all I know is he looks really
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: cool in the Philadelphia uniform, and I like bald LeBron
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: a lot better than holding onto the hair LeBron. It's
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: like he said, it's over, Johnny. Let's call it. call
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: my guy, shave it down, streamline for the 2026 season. Well, yeah,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: He has not let himself go in this league.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: No, he looks like he works out.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: He looks like he's 25, which is incredible. But I
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: know what he's talking about. On paper, you put Joel Embiid,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: LeBron James, Jalen Brown, Tyrese Maxey. That's pretty crazy on paper,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: but it's so on paper. There, that photo alone, I
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Do you think people are going to root for this team?
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: I find them interesting, and I'm definitely going to watch them.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I'm curious if the casual fan... roots for the Sixers.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's confusing because I don't think a lot
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: of people don't like LeBron. I'd say it's 50-50. You
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: either love LeBron or you don't like him.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Brown is polarizing.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Brown, a little less so. I think everyone loves Tyrese.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: If you know who Tyrese Maxey is and B.J. Edgecombe,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: everyone loves him.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: And Bede when he plays.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know anybody. Is Embiid popular out of town?
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: There aren't a lot of kids who walk around in
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Embiid jerseys. No one wants to be the big man.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: In my neighborhood, they're all in Embiid jerseys. All right,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: let's get to it. John Harbaugh, the head coach of
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: the Giants, acquired a new quarterback yesterday. We talked about
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: that on Not So Fast, but He talked a little
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: more about it after practice.
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: Really glad, really happy, very excited to add J.J.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: McCarthy.
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: I think he's a strong young quarterback, has some experience
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: in the National Football League, obviously was a very high
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: draft pick, very talented player, and is going to make
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: us a stronger football team. So excited about it. I
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: think it makes us better.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, so obviously this is a favor. Is it
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: an older brother or a younger brother? Is Jim older?
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: He's older, right?
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: I think Jim's older.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Jim's older. He's doing a favor. Jim Harbaugh and J.J.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: McCarthy tied at the hip in Michigan. John calls Jim
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: and said, what's the deal with McCarthy? I know Jim
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Harbaugh loves him. So John sees something here. Fifth round
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: pick's not going to kill you.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think this is a favor between brothers
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: as much as it's like, I could take this risk
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: because what if Jackson Dart has knee issues that go
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: on for longer? There's no future with Jameis Winston. This
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: guy had a rookie year and a second year after
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: the injuries, I should say, where he made some great throws,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: but he didn't make normal throws. He didn't make easy throws.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: This guy is a fastball guy with no curveball and
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: no off-speed pitch. I think that could be worked on.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I think John Harbaugh thinks... This guy's 23 years old.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I'm getting him for almost nothing.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Why not? I don't see it. I think his accuracy
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: is not going to be fixed. 57%. That's my problem,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people are like this.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: A fifth-round pick is something, but generally I don't see
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: him as more than a career backup, which might be fine.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think you have a problem with that.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I brought this up on the Dan Patrick Show. This
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: rookie year stats or first 10-game stats of J.J. McCarthy
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: and Josh Allen are almost simultaneous.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen was terrible as a rookie.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: He was terrible, but then, of course, he has the
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: running ability, as Dan mentioned. But I think there is
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: a chance, but it's not going to be instantaneous. And
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think he should play in the next four weeks.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think accuracy cannot always be taught in the NFL.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: So that's my big issue. The issue is he never
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: should have been a first-round pick. I think DP said
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: that today. All he did was hand the ball off
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: to Michigan. We never saw him in a passing offense. Now,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: it was a pro style in Michigan, but nothing like
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: what he has to do now. If Kevin O'Connell can't
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: make anything out of him, how are the Giants going
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: to do it?
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they just want him out of the building. All right,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: coming up next. More baseball. We're going to get to
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: our wild card picks. We're going to get to constructive
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: criticism and the feel good. Stick around. Not so fast.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Right after the break.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: All right. We're back on Not So Fast. NBC Sports Now. Peacock.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: All right. Every week we do the NFL and college
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: football play of the season. Right now, Paul, we have
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: a strong contender at the top of the mountain. Of course,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: that is the Jamar Chase team. catch against the Texans,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I believe, in the corner of the end zone. I've
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: seen this play replayed so many times already. Jamar Chase
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: twists and turns, tracks the ball. Only he can do this.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Arguably the best receiver in the NFL. This is going
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: to be tough to beat.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: The more I watch it, the better it gets. He
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: actually got pushed right before he had to make the turn.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: That seems impossible even in regular motion.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but for Jamar Chase, I guess it is possible.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: All right, this week's contender coming out of the San
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Francisco 49ers. We got a little hook and ladder. Oh,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: you got to love that play. Debo Samuel runs it in.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was against a Cardinals team that did
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: not show up at all on Sunday. But I love
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: this play, and I love Debo. It looks like he's 25.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: He's played great.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Are you a hook and ladder guy or hook and
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: lateral guy? Because I don't know which one is correct.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Are they interchangeable? Oh, I don't know. I call it
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the hook and ladder. Is it called the hook and lateral?
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: I think it's the hook and lateral, but people use
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: hook and ladder because, shout out to the fighter.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Isn't the most famous one Miami Dolphins way back in
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: the day? I feel like Dan Marino to Duper and Clayton.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: The running back was Tony Nathan for the Miami Dolphins
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: who caught the hook and lateral.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, so who do you think should win? Is it
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Jamar Chase or Debo in the hook and lateral?
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I think we're staying with Chase. That thing's freakish.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. It's got to be Jamar Chase. That
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: is one of the greatest catches I've seen. Not quite
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Odell Beckham one-handed, but it's not far behind. And Debo,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: he didn't really have to do that much work. He
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: outran the Cardinals.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: It didn't even count as a catch for him. He
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: didn't even get a reception on the play. But, you know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: he looks pretty fast. You want to hit some baseball?
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get into it.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, here we go. Baseball playoffs later today. NBC Sports, Peacock, NBCSN.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: All day.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Tune in. Braves over Phillies. I'm going Braves over the Phillies.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: They are so due. Chris Sale, this is career recovery time.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I think he's going to pitch a four-hitter.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the Braves in the series, but I
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: think it's going to be close. The Phillies just aren't
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: hitting right now, at least not consistently. But the Braves
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: don't have much besides Chris Sale. I'm not sure if
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: either team is a World Series team.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go White Sox over Astros. Astros don't
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: look very good. They've been outscored all season. I think
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: the White Sox have a wild card victory in them,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: two games out of three. I don't know if they're
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: going to go much further than that, but it's a
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: feel-good story.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you pitch around Jordan Alvarez, what else is there? Astros,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: the worst division winner of all time. I'm going White Sox.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: I'm going to pick Red Sox over the Yankees, mostly
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: because of Peyton Tolley's mustache. It's fantastic. I want to
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: see more of this guy. But the Judge thing, that's
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: a hit. That's a big hit. I mean, no pun intended.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: That's where, if you're a Red Sox fan, if you're
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: a Red Sox player, this is it. This is your
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: opening in a season where you never thought you'd be here.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going Yankees. I like Schlittler. I like, obviously,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Garrett Cole. So I think pitching actually carries them until
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Judge can get back, if Judge gets back.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Last one, believe it or not, I am going the
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Padres over the Cubs. Shota in the playoffs, I'm worried
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: about with the Cubs. Their bullpen hasn't done anything almost
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: all season. They have to hit their way out of this,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: and if they're not in the lead and the ball
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: goes to Mason Miller, I feel terrible about the Cubs' chance.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is this a location, location, location thing? I'm picking
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: the Padres, too. I don't know. PCA kind of choked
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: last year. He's got to do a lot here. This
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: is one of the most interesting series to me. There's
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: so many stars to watch in this series. I feel
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: like three games is not enough.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: I wish it was a five-gamer. All right, let's get
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: to a little constructive criticism. Your feedback on how we're doing,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: what we're doing, what we're wearing. Perloff, the first one
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: coming up here is... Here we go. If Andrew Perloff
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: put on a Bears uniform, doesn't he look like Case Keenum?
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Like a stretched out Ivy League Case Keenum?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: So something weird happened on social media last night, and
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: I can explain this. They're talking about you, Paul. You
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: look like Case Keenum. If you put on a Bears uniform.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Me?
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Yes. You look a lot like Case Keenum. Because last night,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: how many people said, Paul, someone sent a social media message, Paul,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: did you write a book with Case Keenum? Which I
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: replied to, he sure did.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: So you wrote the book, I Look Like Him.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: You, of course, you think I look at, I don't
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: look at anything like Case Keenum. I was going to say.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I think you look a lot, I mean, who's the
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: coach that you're a total doppelganger for? That's not me,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: that's you.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: I look like Pat Fitzgerald of Michigan State without 20
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: pounds less, less jacked.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you're starting to sort of veer a
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: little bit because Pat Fitzgerald keeps on putting on weight.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be mean. But yeah, you look
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: exactly like him. You look closer to Case. I do
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: not look anything like Case.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: All right, let's stay on the same topic because it's
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: time for the feel good. And there's only one to
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: choose from from last night. It was Case Keenum night.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: It was as good as it gets before the game,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: after the game. The kneel down. The Bears fans going berserk. Oh,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: and look at this. The kids, Van Pelt. People staying
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: in the stadium to hug him.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, that is almost like Justin Berlander's daughter running
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: out to the mound when Berlander retired. As two daughters,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I get really emotional.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: He ran around like Cal Ripken for 18 minutes. He
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: was like doing laps in the stadium.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: And he did a lot of very interesting and funny
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: post-game interviews. Do you like bringing the kids out after
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: a Week 3 win? You know what?
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: You have nothing to apologize for. It's a Week 3 win.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: You didn't think you were going to play it down
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: this year if all went right with Bears football. This
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: is an all bets are off game with Case Keenum.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: So he had a funny comment. He said, I'm going
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: to watch the game again with him tomorrow. I'm sure
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: they'll get bored after two plays and want to put
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: on Bluey.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, put on Bubble Guppies.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: All right, tune in.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Baseball playoffs all day right here on NBC4. Tune in today.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: We'll recap them tomorrow right here on Not So Fast
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: and the Dan Patrick Show.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Thanks.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Enjoy the baseball.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Take care. Go Bills.