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Bluewave - GOP Midterm Missteps · Booker Scott: Truth Be Told

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  Speaker 1: It's time for The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott.
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  Speaker 2: It was a late night Tuesday night, a bad night.
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  Speaker 2: And more than that, it was a referendum. on President
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump and the Republicans over what they have done
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  Speaker 2: over the last two years, and maybe more than anything,
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  Speaker 2: it's what they have not done. That's the way people
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  Speaker 2: looked at this. How do you spin it? Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: tried on Tuesday night on Fox. He tried to get
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  Speaker 2: on there and say that the candidates were weak and
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  Speaker 2: they were this and they were that, and the truth
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  Speaker 2: of the matter is Donald Trump's approval rating is as
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  Speaker 2: low as anyone since Harry Truman. And because of that,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of this happened. But it happened in a
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  Speaker 2: way that a lot of us weren't expecting either. Did
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  Speaker 2: you expect it to be almost as bad and maybe
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  Speaker 2: as bad as Barack Obama back in 2010 when the
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  Speaker 2: Tea Party was here? I certainly didn't. I missed that.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't miss the fact that they were going to
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  Speaker 2: lose the House of Representatives, but I missed the number.
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  Speaker 2: I was way off. But who really thought it was
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  Speaker 2: going to be this bad? It's bad. And where do
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  Speaker 2: we go from here? I'm Booker Scott, and this is
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  Speaker 2: The Truth Be Told on America Out Loud Talk Radio.
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  Speaker 2: I spent most of 2026 writing articles about what was
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  Speaker 2: going to happen if the Republicans did not show up
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  Speaker 2: to vote. And ultimately, that's what happened. And it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: even that, but it was also the fact that the
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  Speaker 2: Democrats were so energized. Is it just because they hate Trump? Well,
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  Speaker 2: in some cases, probably so. The orange man is bad.
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  Speaker 2: But is that the only reason? I mean, you pile
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  Speaker 2: things on. You pile on the Iran war and gas
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  Speaker 2: prices and the cost of things not coming down as
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump said he would do. And you look at
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  Speaker 2: the Congress, you look at the Senate, and you look
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  Speaker 2: at the House of Representatives, and they have given the
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  Speaker 2: Republicans nothing to be excited about to go vote. A
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  Speaker 2: combination of all those things really is what hurt this.
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  Speaker 2: And the Democrats are energized. And as results started coming
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  Speaker 2: out in the state of Florida, you could kind of
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  Speaker 2: tell where this was going. I looked at it, and
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  Speaker 2: the turnout in Florida was over 54%, which is a
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  Speaker 2: big number. And when that happens, that is because the
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  Speaker 2: Democrats are going to vote in Florida. The result of
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  Speaker 2: that is in, what, 2022, Nancy Pelosi. She took over
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  Speaker 2: the House of Representatives because of that, because it was 54%.
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  Speaker 2: Below 50% in the state of Florida in turnout, it
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  Speaker 2: goes to the Republicans. So as those numbers started coming
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  Speaker 2: in during the day in Florida, and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people make a big deal out of the ballots that
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  Speaker 2: are coming in, the Republicans are making up ground. It's
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  Speaker 2: all Republicans voting on Election Day. Well, the problem with
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  Speaker 2: that is that you're also making the assumption that 100%
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  Speaker 2: of the people voting as a Republican are voting for
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  Speaker 2: the Republican candidate. And in the state of Florida, it
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  Speaker 2: became a very, very close race for governor. Byron Donalds
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  Speaker 2: won by barely, barely won that race. Ashley Moody also
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  Speaker 2: barely won her race against a socialist. So there were
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  Speaker 2: signs early in the day. And as the night went on,
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  Speaker 2: things got worse and worse. And you know that. And
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  Speaker 2: I'll say this. I said this back in 2022 after
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  Speaker 2: that night. Because that night everybody expected a big red wave,
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  Speaker 2: and it wasn't. The Republicans picked up a few seats,
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  Speaker 2: but it wasn't as much as everybody thought. And they
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  Speaker 2: were surprised. Because I don't even think you could look
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  Speaker 2: at the polls and see what was going to happen
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  Speaker 2: on Tuesday night. You're looking at a possibility after the
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  Speaker 2: dust settles of 258 Democrat seats. They had 214 before.
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  Speaker 2: Barack Obama lost 60 seats in 2010. That's why I
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  Speaker 2: mentioned that earlier. This is getting close to Barack Obama's stage.
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  Speaker 2: And was it just the Iran war that did this?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that it was. It was maybe the
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  Speaker 2: icing on top of the cake. You have Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: talking about changing the name of the Kennedy Center, and
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  Speaker 2: he is doing his final speech in front of the
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  Speaker 2: reflection pond. in Washington, D.C. And let me remind you,
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  Speaker 2: the reflection pond in Washington, D.C. was a point of contention.
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  Speaker 2: He spent the money to get it all redone, and
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  Speaker 2: there was the problem with the paint on the bottom.
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  Speaker 2: They had to fix it. And in some ways, that
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  Speaker 2: is an indication of the way people see the Trump
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  Speaker 2: administration and the Republican Congress. And people wanted something different.
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  Speaker 2: And I think there's also that... Americans no longer have
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  Speaker 2: the ability to have patience and wait. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: say this again. You compare Donald Trump's presidency right now
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  Speaker 2: to Ronald Reagan's in the early 1980s coming in after
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  Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter. And if you're a regular listener of the show,
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  Speaker 2: you know that I have compared that Donald Trump to
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  Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan many times on here. It's because of the
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  Speaker 2: high inflation, high gas prices that Jimmy Carter caused, high
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  Speaker 2: mortgage rates, and he had a problem in Iran. Very
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  Speaker 2: similar to what Donald Trump picked up. Of course, he,
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  Speaker 2: you know, did the Iran thing on his own. And
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  Speaker 2: as you know, if you listen to this program a lot,
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  Speaker 2: that I really wanted him to finish off Iran a
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  Speaker 2: long time ago. And I have questioned the fact that
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  Speaker 2: he continued to say during this campaign that he could
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  Speaker 2: end it anytime he wanted to. And if that was
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  Speaker 2: the case, why not do it six months ago? Why wait?
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  Speaker 2: And now we look to Iran. We're going to see
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  Speaker 2: what happens. One interesting thing, and I would agree with
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump in what he said on Tuesday night, late
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday night on Fox. He said that Iran, from a
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  Speaker 2: historical perspective, is much more important than what happened on
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday night. And I agree with Donald Trump. None of
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  Speaker 2: us want to see Iran have a nuclear weapon. All
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  Speaker 2: of us want to see peace in the Middle East
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  Speaker 2: for a long term. And that happens through the things
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  Speaker 2: that are going on right now with Iran and But unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: our society today, we want to go to our app,
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  Speaker 2: we want to order food, and we want it here
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  Speaker 2: in 10 minutes. And we're unhappy if that doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: That's the way we are. It's like a microwave society.
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  Speaker 2: We want everything done quickly. And if it's not done quickly,
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  Speaker 2: then we are just upset. And we don't want it. Well,
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  Speaker 2: same thing here. And Ronald Reagan, by the way, he lost, what, 26,
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  Speaker 2: 28 seats back in 1982 in that race. Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: lost a lot more than that on Tuesday night. And
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  Speaker 2: now people are fearful. Everybody says before the election, if
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  Speaker 2: we lose this election, we're losing the republic. Democrat Socialists
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  Speaker 2: of America are coming in, they're taking over, and it
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  Speaker 2: is the end of this country and this republic. I
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  Speaker 2: don't believe that to be the case. I never went
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  Speaker 2: that far in anything I ever said. I think socialism
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  Speaker 2: is the fear that the Republicans and conservatives should have
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  Speaker 2: used to get people out to vote, because getting out
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  Speaker 2: to vote was the key and the reason why the
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  Speaker 2: Republicans lost. Low propensity voters, they just don't vote in
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  Speaker 2: midterm elections. Donald Trump was on the ballot, however. He
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  Speaker 2: said last night, and he posted this. Let me grab this.
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  Speaker 2: post he put out on Truth Social Tuesday night. I
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  Speaker 2: think Donald Trump, I don't know if he's trying to
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  Speaker 2: spin this himself or if he actually believes this, because
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  Speaker 2: he spent the last 30 days doing 30 rallies, and
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  Speaker 2: he was telling everybody that he was on the ballot.
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  Speaker 2: And I paid attention to what the Democrats were saying
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  Speaker 2: across the country when they were campaigning the last several weeks,
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  Speaker 2: and they were telling everybody that Donald Trump is on
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  Speaker 2: the ballot. Because of everything that was happening. Affordability, the cost,
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  Speaker 2: the health care. None of this stuff exists now because
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  Speaker 2: of Donald Trump. So he is on the ballot. So
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  Speaker 2: both sides were saying he was on the ballot. Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump was saying he was on the ballot himself. And
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  Speaker 2: then he puts this post out. Quote, I wasn't on
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  Speaker 2: the ballot. And if I was, we would have won
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  Speaker 2: in a landslide. Thank you for your attention to this matter,
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  Speaker 2: President Donald J. Trump. I'm not sure that is true
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  Speaker 2: in this midterm election. I just don't believe that is true.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel about it, but I
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  Speaker 2: think it's time for us, and I started to say
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  Speaker 2: this earlier, in 2022 after the election then when everybody
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  Speaker 2: said a red wave, I said it's time for us
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  Speaker 2: to start reflecting on conservatism and what we are doing
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  Speaker 2: and what we are trying to sell. Because in reality,
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  Speaker 2: if you look at things on paper, I'm not so
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  Speaker 2: sure we are doing what we say we're going to do.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a problem for voters. And maybe that's part
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  Speaker 2: of the reason, and maybe a big part of the reason,
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  Speaker 2: that things happen the way they did on Tuesday night.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump said he would lower costs. Costs have not
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  Speaker 2: got lower. He continues to talk about how great the
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  Speaker 2: economy is. Yet, the people at the kitchen table don't
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  Speaker 2: feel that great. Many are living on their credit cards
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  Speaker 2: from month to month. Many are living paycheck to paycheck
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  Speaker 2: if the economy is so great and America is so
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  Speaker 2: much better than any other country in the world. Why
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  Speaker 2: do I feel the way that I do? And everybody
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  Speaker 2: knows Donald Trump over speaks. He says, you know, he
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  Speaker 2: obviously goes over the top. But let me play some
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  Speaker 2: sound here from Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida. Here's what
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  Speaker 2: he had to say.
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  Speaker 4: So here's the thing with Iran and why I think
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  Speaker 4: it's been a big, big drag. You know, it was launched.
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  Speaker 4: He obviously ran saying he wasn't going to do a
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  Speaker 4: Middle East where they did. So we had some of
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  Speaker 4: our voters who've checked out because they're like, I didn't
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  Speaker 4: want any more Middle East wars. And now we're doing it.
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  Speaker 4: Had that been wrapped up in like a week, like
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  Speaker 4: Venezuela was very quick. People probably wouldn't have been an
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  Speaker 4: issue right now.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But what's happened is it's kind of an open ended
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  Speaker 4: conflict and it's having a direct impact on people's finances.
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  Speaker 2: Gas is higher.
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  Speaker 1: It hurts people, working.
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  Speaker 4: Class people, and it's higher because of this conflict.
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  Speaker 2: That's just a fact.
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  Speaker 4: If you can't admit that to voters, then you're gaslighting them.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a big part of it. If you're not
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  Speaker 2: going to admit that to the voters, then you are
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  Speaker 2: gaslighting them. According to Governor Ron DeSantis, who has been
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  Speaker 2: a great governor in the state of Florida, And he
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  Speaker 2: will be making room for Byron Donalds. As I mentioned earlier,
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  Speaker 2: he won. Governor's races were interesting on Tuesday night across
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  Speaker 2: the country as well. Democrats did great when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to the governor's races. When it comes to the Senate,
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  Speaker 2: I had the Senate number at 51. And for the Republicans,
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  Speaker 2: I said the Republicans would maintain power. Well, I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: expecting what happened on Tuesday night. Darlene Graham in South
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  Speaker 2: Carolina got beat, and it really wasn't that close. And
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  Speaker 2: if you look at that race, you pay attention to Greenville,
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  Speaker 2: South Carolina, in the north part of that state. In
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  Speaker 2: that county, in that county where the Tea Party was born,
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  Speaker 2: the Tea Party was born in that county, Darlene Graham
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  Speaker 2: didn't even win. The Democrat, the liberal Democrat won it.
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  Speaker 2: So that's an indication of what type of candidate she was.
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  Speaker 2: She was pushed on the people of South Carolina. She
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  Speaker 2: should have finished Lindsey Graham's term and then given way
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  Speaker 2: to somebody that could have won the race that knew
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  Speaker 2: what they were doing. It's unfortunate that she was talked
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  Speaker 2: into running for the Senate for a six-year term there
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  Speaker 2: in South Carolina. You go to Michigan. I said this
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  Speaker 2: was going to be tough. El-Sayed, the Democrat Socialist, or
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  Speaker 2: at least aligned with the Democrat Socialist, More importantly, the pro-Palestinian.
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  Speaker 2: He won. And again, it wasn't really, really close there.
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  Speaker 2: It's 1994, the last time that Michigan voted for a
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  Speaker 2: Republican in the Senate. So Mike Rogers loses again. It's
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  Speaker 2: time for Mike Rogers not to come back, not the
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  Speaker 2: greatest candidate. Now look at Texas. We have been hearing
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  Speaker 2: for years and years that Texas is going to turn blue. Well,
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  Speaker 2: guess what? It did. It took a while, but Tallarico,
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  Speaker 2: as a senator, he won and beat Ken Paxton. People say, well,
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  Speaker 2: Ken Paxton, we told you it should have been John Cornyn.
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  Speaker 2: John Cornyn was a better candidate, I would say, and
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  Speaker 2: I did say on this program, Ken Paxton had won.
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  Speaker 2: He had won the statewide races a couple of times,
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  Speaker 2: so why can't he do it again? Tallarico didn't even
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  Speaker 2: make that close. But if you compare their numbers with
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  Speaker 2: the numbers of Greg Abbott, who was running again for
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  Speaker 2: the governor's seat in the state of Texas, then you
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  Speaker 2: would you would say, well, it wasn't really the candidate
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  Speaker 2: Ken Paxton any more than it was the candidate Gregory Abbott,
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  Speaker 2: because he lost in the same same way about the
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  Speaker 2: same numbers. A little bit better than Tallarico and Paxton,
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  Speaker 2: but not really much. It was a blowout in Texas.
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  Speaker 2: So has Texas turned blue? Is it now in play
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  Speaker 2: for 2028? As the night grew on, I kept watching
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  Speaker 2: things on social media, and it was another rigged election.
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  Speaker 2: And it's only rigged because the Republicans and conservatives did
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  Speaker 2: not go vote. They stayed home. They didn't think it
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  Speaker 2: was important enough to go vote. So I guess maybe
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  Speaker 2: that's what I was warning people about all year. It happened.
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  Speaker 2: It happened, and is this the end of the republic?
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  Speaker 2: We look at the people that won in the House
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  Speaker 2: of Representatives, and I want to go back to this
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  Speaker 2: because I mentioned this Monday night when Matt Palumbo was
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  Speaker 2: with me. I think it's much better that the Democrats
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  Speaker 2: actually won as big a spread as they did from
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  Speaker 2: the Republicans. It looks like, as I said, when the
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  Speaker 2: dust settles, you're going to be at about 258 to
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  Speaker 2: whatever is left. It isn't much. The Republicans are going
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  Speaker 2: to have a few guys out there. That is what
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be. And a lot of good Republicans lost,
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  Speaker 2: like Victoria Sparks in Indiana. Unfortunately, she is gone. You
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  Speaker 2: may remember her. She is the one that speaks. She's
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  Speaker 2: from Ukraine, so she has a thick Eastern European accent.
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  Speaker 2: She is no longer there. It was a tough night.
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  Speaker 2: for a lot of good, good Republicans and conservatives. But
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  Speaker 2: they got caught up in what happened. Maybe they can
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  Speaker 2: come back and help save this republic again. Let me
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  Speaker 2: get back to my thoughts on why I think it
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  Speaker 2: is better that the Democrats have a larger majority in
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  Speaker 2: the House of Representatives. And that's because if it was
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  Speaker 2: a narrow margin, I predicted it at 226 to 209,
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats would have power. If it was that kind
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  Speaker 2: of number, then you would give much more leverage and
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  Speaker 2: power to the Democrat Socialist of America. And many people
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  Speaker 2: feel like, well, the Democrat Socialist of America won. And
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  Speaker 2: I put out a couple of posts on Tuesday night,
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  Speaker 2: and people came at me and said, well, all Democrats
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  Speaker 2: are socialists. That's not true. That's just not the fact.
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  Speaker 2: So with a larger majority for Hakeem Jeffries as the Speaker...
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  Speaker 2: You actually make things easier for him to stay moderate,
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  Speaker 2: which is what I believe the Democrats will want to do.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to want to pass some things. And as
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump said and put out a picture of a
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  Speaker 2: red hat that said veto across it after the race
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  Speaker 2: was over last night, he kind of said, OK, well,
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  Speaker 2: I've got the pen. I can sign and veto anything
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  Speaker 2: you said. And that's going to be the atmosphere over
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  Speaker 2: the next couple of years. So the Democrats are going
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  Speaker 2: to want to accomplish things. They are going to need
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  Speaker 2: the signature of Donald Trump. And in order to do that,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to have to be more moderate for the
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  Speaker 2: next couple of years. And they're also going to want
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  Speaker 2: to be more centrist as the 2028 presidential election comes along.
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  Speaker 2: They're not going to want to be attached to the
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  Speaker 2: Democrat Socialist of America to try to win an election
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  Speaker 2: across the nation for president because this country isn't quite
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  Speaker 2: there yet. With eight Democrat Socialists of America, which is
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  Speaker 2: all you have out of 435, this country is not
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  Speaker 2: a socialist country yet. And with only eight and a
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  Speaker 2: large spread for the Democrats, that gives Hakeem Jeffries the
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  Speaker 2: opportunity to work a little bit better with Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: than he would have if it was 226 to 209, say.
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  Speaker 2: Those eight Democrat Socialists of America could have hijacked the
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  Speaker 2: House of Representatives much like the Freedom Caucus has done
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  Speaker 2: with Speaker Mike Johnson, same way. By the way, Majority
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  Speaker 2: Leader John Thune, everybody wanted him gone. Well, you got
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  Speaker 2: your way. Are you happy? John Thune is no longer
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  Speaker 2: going to be the Majority Leader in the House or
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  Speaker 2: in the Senate. I'm sorry. He's done in the Senate.
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  Speaker 2: Don't have to worry about him anymore. And guess what?
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  Speaker 2: Exit polling data did not show that anybody said the
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  Speaker 2: reason why they voted the way they did was because
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  Speaker 2: the SAVE Act never passed. Never came up. It was affordability.
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  Speaker 2: It was corruption. It was, you know, those were the
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  Speaker 2: things at the top of the list, not the SAVE Act.
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  Speaker 2: And yet that is really the only messaging that Republicans
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  Speaker 2: and conservatives had for much of the year. Pass the
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  Speaker 2: SAVE Act, John Thune. Why won't you pass the SAVE Act? Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: American people sitting at their kitchen table were looking for solutions,
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  Speaker 2: and they were not getting them. The Republicans are going
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  Speaker 2: to have to learn to offer solutions for the American people.
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  Speaker 2: that is a little bit different, I think, when you
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: talk about COVID. There was vaccines that injured people and
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  Speaker 2: killed people, and I've done shows on that before. But
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever done one quite like this.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going to invite into the program now Leslie Batts. Leslie,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: come on into the program, and let's start telling your story.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: And it's one of sadness, and now we see that
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: you are actually doing something different. with that sadness, putting
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: it to work to try to make a difference in
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: this country and in a state. And that's really what
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: it's all about. When you're tossed with something like this
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: in your life, that's all you can do. But Leslie,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: welcome to the program.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to when all this started for you,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: your motivation for doing what you're doing. Right now, she
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: is trying to get legislation passed in Oklahoma, trying to
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: get a bill done. And that's the way things work
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: in this country. But what took her there is what
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: happened during COVID with her husband. She lost her husband.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: So let's start there and you tell this story.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir. Back in late September of 2021, my husband
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: went out of town for work. When he came home,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: he started having symptoms of COVID. We both got sick,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: but he seemed to take it a little harder, I guess,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: than my son and I. And it got to the
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: point where it was pretty obvious he needed to see
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: a doctor. And because we were in a rural part
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: of Oklahoma, there weren't a lot of urgent care centers
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: or critical care centers that weren't hospital affiliated. So we
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: went ahead and took him to the emergency room and
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I expected him to get some oxygen and a breathing treatment,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: maybe some medications and send him home. Instead, I received
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: a phone call from one of the nurses saying, saying
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: that he was being transferred to a level three ICU
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: about an hour away. And it didn't really make a
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: whole lot of sense because he had walked into the hospital.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: He'd gotten up, gotten dressed. He wasn't in any acute distress.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: And it happened that fast, just a few hours.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah. I mean, he just wasn't, in my experience
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: with respiratory illness, he wasn't bad. He just seemed to
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: not be oxygenating well. He wasn't short of breath. He
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: wasn't cyanotic or, you know, lips blue or anything like that.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: He just had a low oxygen saturation.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: And you have a little experience in respiratory because I
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: think your mom, is it your mother that had that
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: as well?
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she had respiratory failure and I took care of
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: her for three years. So I had seen, you know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: what happens when you put a patient on a ventilator
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: and what it looks like when someone's in acute distress
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: from breathing problems. So none of that was the case.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting to get that phone call saying he
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: was going to be transferred. But they did. And they
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: actually care flighted him by helicopter. And I asked, why
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: are you sending him by helicopter? Their explanation was that
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: if he decompensates, it's an hour drive by ambulance. So
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: they didn't want try to intubate him in an ambulance.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I said, well, he's one, he's not anywhere near even
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: considering a ventilator. And two, he refused. He said, I
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: do not, do not let them put me on a
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: vent under any circumstances. Those were my last instructions from
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: him when he got out of the vehicle. So I said, well,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: he's not going to be put on a vent. He's
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: already made that clear. And I don't know why you're
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: transferring him But if he agrees, then I'm not going
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: to dispute it if he feels it's necessary. So as
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: he's being transported, I go ahead and I call the
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: hospital where they're moving him to and I contact the
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: ICU unit and I explain to the nurse there as
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: he's coming through the doors on the gurney that it
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: needs to be placed on his medical record that he
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: is a DNI or do not intubate. And she said, okay, sure,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: we'll do that. And everything seemed to be okay the
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: first night. I'm getting text messages from him. He thought
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: that the helicopter ride was just the coolest thing. And
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: he was joking around with those guys and he was
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: stable and there weren't any problems. And when they get
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: him into the room, he settles down for the night.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I said, okay, well, we'll talk in the morning. The
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: next day on the 10th of October, everything seems to
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: be going pretty well. You know, he's getting oxygen. He's
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: feeling good. We're talking. They're giving him an albuterol treatment
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: and I don't think much of it. So we go
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: to bed that night, get up the next morning and
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: he doesn't answer his phone on the 11th. Now he's
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: a very early riser. He was always up at four
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning and so it was odd for
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: him not to respond. And I contacted the nurses at
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: the desk and they said that they had to give
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: him a little something for anxiety. And I said, well, did,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: was it an Ativan? Cause I know that's what they
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: used to give my mother when she was having problems. And,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: and they said, oh yeah, that that's, that's what we
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: had to give him, which is a pill, you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: single dose, no problem. And by 1130, I still hadn't
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: heard from him. So I'm starting to get concerned. Um, Finally,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I receive a text message from him at about noon
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: that says they won't stop asking me about intubation and
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I'm starting to lose my cool. Which means he was
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: getting really upset that they were harassing him. That was
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: the last communication I received from my husband. Right at
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: the time that that text message came through, I received
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: a phone call that when I answered, all I heard was,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: is this Ms. Batts? I said, yes. And he said, well,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I hope you're vaccinated because your husband's fixing to go
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: on a ventilator for a month and he's going to
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: be in rehab for a year if he survives and
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: you need to be alive to take care of him.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: And I said, well, who is this? And he said, well,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: this is the doctor that's treating your husband. I said,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: not with that attitude, you're fired. And I said, first
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: of all, he's already stated he's not going to go
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: on a ventilator. Second of all, I don't know what
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: is happening there, but if you're giving him problems about this,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: then we have bigger issues. Because again, at the same time,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I've gotten this text message from him saying that they're
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: harassing him about it. So I hang up with the
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: doctor and I start calling the hospital administrator and the
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: patient care advocate and everybody. I said, why are you
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: harassing him about this? I said, anxiety is going to
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: exacerbate the problem if he has one. And he's already
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: given you the information that he's not going to be intubated.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: It's supposed to be documented on his medical record that
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: he's a DNI. Why are we still talking about this?
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I get no phone calls back from anyone at the
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: hospital and I continue to try to reach out to
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: him and he doesn't answer his phone anymore. He's not
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: responding to text messages and I'm getting very, very concerned.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: So I contacted the nurse's station and their explanation to
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: me was, He's eating his dinner and he's watching TV.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: He just doesn't want to speak to you anymore. He's
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: refusing to talk to you.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: You didn't buy that at all, did you?
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I had no idea.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Because he's not answering his phone. I have no way
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: to contact him now. I said, okay, I'm coming to
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: the hospital. I'm coming to get him. And I was told,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: if you come to the hospital, you'll be arrested.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: So.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: I have an eight-year-old son at the time. We have
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: no family there and now I have to make a choice.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Do I go to jail and my son ends up
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: in foster care or do I hope that my husband
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: can kind of take care of himself and things go
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: a little more smoothly if I can get a hold
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: of someone in administration? I don't hear from him at
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: all the next day. And at about one o'clock in
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: the afternoon, I get a phone call from the doctor saying, Again,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: the nurses are telling me he just doesn't want to
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: speak to you. I get a phone call from the
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: doctor saying that my husband has now given consent to
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: intubation and they want my consent. And the first part
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: of the conversation didn't go well, to say the least.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I explained to the doctor that, again, it's supposed to
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: be on his chart that he's a DNI. If he
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: has given consent, then they don't need my consent.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Is this the same doctor that called you the first time?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: time that you said you're fired? Or is this a different,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: same doctor? Okay.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Same doctor. And I asked him, I asked him, I said,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: you know, if he's giving consent, there will be a
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: consent form on the chart and you don't need my consent.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: I said, and why are you treating him anyway? I was,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: you know, I told you you were fired. Yeah. And
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: he said, well, I'm the only doctor here that can
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: take care of your husband. So if you fire me,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: we have a real problem. And I said, well, then
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I'm going to find another hospital. And he then threatened, well,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: I say threatened. It became a conversation with, if you
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: try to transfer him out of this hospital without a
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: medical order, then you're going to have to pay for
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: it out of pocket. Insurance won't cover it. And I said,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: then I'll come get him. And he said, again, you'll
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: be arrested. So now my husband is no longer a
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: patient in the hospital. He's a prisoner.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a prisoner.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: And.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes I think, Leslie, we forget how tyrannical
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: things had gotten back then. It's good to hear the story,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: but please keep going. Tell it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: So at that point I said, well, I haven't spoken
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: to my husband in over 24 hours. I'm being told
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: he's refusing to speak to me. I said, I am
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: going to call his phone with a video call. And
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: somebody better pick up. And I immediately hung up with
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: the doctor, called on video, and I could see my husband.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: He's at this point wearing a BiPAP mask, which is
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: like a full face where they force air into. I
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: don't know if you're familiar with the CPAP, but it's
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: basically a full face CPAP. So instead of just the nose,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: it covers the nose and the mouth. So I can't
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: understand him. And he looks... to put it mildly perturbed. Um,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: but again, I can't understand what he's saying. I can't
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: see his hands and the phone is far enough away
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: that he's obviously not the one holding it. The video
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: call lasts for 31 seconds and then it's disconnected. And
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: immediately the doctor calls back and says, do we have
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: your consent to intubate? I said, no. I said, he's
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: clearly breathing. Um, And my instructions from him were, do
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: not let them put me on a vent. I said,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: so no, you don't have my consent. And why are
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: you asking for my consent if he's given his? So
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: that conversation, again, doesn't go well for about 10 or
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: 15 minutes.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Let me jump in here real quick, Leslie, because maybe
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: some people forget that there were a lot of people
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: dying on ventilators. If you went on a ventilator, it
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: usually was not a good thing. most of the people
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: that I know of that went on them, they died.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: And at the very beginning.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: It was 95%. That's right. Yeah, 95% mortality rate.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Typically what they did was they put you on remdesivir
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: and then they put you on the vent. And the
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: combination of both of those things... It was killing people.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: And I don't necessarily blame medical and doctors because it
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: was a new thing. COVID was new. They didn't really
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: know how to treat it, but they were treating it
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: wrong at the time. So your husband knew enough to
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: know that do not do that. And you knew that too.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I was the same way. My oxygen got down to 82.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: My doctor said, go to the hospital. I said, there's
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: no chance. I asked the doctor, I said, can I
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: ask you, have you had any patients that stayed home
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: And she said, yes. Did any of them die? She said, no.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: And I said, what about the hospital? Have you had
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: patients go to the hospital?
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Have any of them died? Yes. I said, I'll stay home.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: So I chose to stay home instead of having to
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: go through that when I had COVID at about the
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: same time back in 2021. But I think it's important
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: to understand that both of you knew that if you
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: were on the ventilator, your odds of passing away went
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: up greatly. And he knew that, didn't want to do it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: And now you're going to keep telling the story.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: Yes. Yes.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: And we did know that. But we assumed we're in
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: a small community. And they're not going to do that here, right?
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: You have rights. If you don't want to go be admitted,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: then you don't have to be admitted. If you don't
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: want to stay in a hospital, you don't have to
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: stay in a hospital. If you don't want to be
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: put on a ventilator, you don't have to be put
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: on a ventilator. That was our mistake. That was our assumption.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: So what I learned after the fact, after he passed,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: I went and got his medical records and I wouldn't
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: have known anything else. about what really happened because I
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: wasn't getting the information from the nurses and the doctors.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Now, you skipped ahead to when he passed. How long
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: was he in the hospital before that happened?
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: He was in the hospital for just under 10 full days.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: He walked into the hospital and was dead 10 days later.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: And from the moment of that video call to the
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: time that he passed away, how many days was that?
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: That was, they ventilated him on the 12th and he
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: passed on the afternoon of the 20th. Almost exactly.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: So they went ahead and ventilated him.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: They did.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Against your wishes and against his.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. So at the time, you know, I get the
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: phone call back saying, well, he's on a vent now.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: No other explanation. I mean, like I said, I have
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: no idea what happened between the time that they put
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: him on the vent and the time that You know,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I get the call back. But as it turns out,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: so he was ventilated on the 12th of October. On
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: the 14th, because I'm still raising Cain, I have everybody
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: in my family on both sides, his family, my family,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: trying to get him out of that hospital. Something doesn't
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: feel right.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: It's just this, you know, nagging feeling in my gut
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: that there's something wrong. Did you go.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: To Oklahoma City? Was it Oklahoma City?
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: This was in Tulsa.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Tulsa.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: This was in Tulsa. Yeah.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I figured it had to be one of those two.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: We actually lived right smack dab between Oklahoma City and Tulsa,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: right off of I-44. So they ended up sending him
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: to another hospital in their system, because we were in
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: a very small area, but in the major, in the
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: bigger cities. So... At this point, like I said, I
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: am creating as much trouble for this hospital as I
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: possibly can, trying to find out what is happening and
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: trying to get him out of there. Because again, there's
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: this nagging feeling something's not right. And to, I guess,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: to placate me, the doctor finally calls and said, would
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: you like to come visit your husband? Now, he's on
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: a ventilator at this point. And all of a sudden...
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: in a matter of two days, it went from, you'll
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: be arrested to, oh, come on in, which made no
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: sense to me. But I wasn't going to dispute it
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: because this was my opportunity to see him and find
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: out what was going on. So when I get into
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: the hospital on the 14th, he looks like he's been
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: in a bar fight. His face is pretty, you know,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: scraped up. There's literally skin hanging off of his nose.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: And I asked the nurse, I said, what is this about?
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: She says, oh, well, intubation can be a pretty violent procedure.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: And I said, no, no, it can't. Not when it's
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: done properly. My mother had been on a ventilator a
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: dozen times probably. And I had never seen her look
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: like she had been in a bar fight.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Um, but that was the best. Do you think he
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: fought against them?
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I know he did.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: I know he did. I know he did. He literally,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I believe was fighting for his life, trying to get
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: out or get away. Um, So things were pretty stable
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: on the ventilator until the night of the 16th. And
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: then when I came in on the 17th, because I
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: don't know, you know, I'm told I have to leave.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I get like two hours to visit and then I'm
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: told I have to leave. So I came in on
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: the 17th and now he's on what's called a rotoprone bed,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: which is basically he's fully encased in this framework that
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: literally turns him back and forth, you know, so the
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: nurses don't have to come in and turn him. And
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: he's laying face down in this machinery. Um, because they
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: said if they turn him over, he's going to drown basically. Yeah.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Lungs fill.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I get no explanation why he's on the
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: road of prone now. Um, but the doctor comes in
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: and asks me to sign a do not resuscitate order.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: And I said, no, um, He's coming home. There's no
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: doubt in my mind. My husband is going to recover
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: and come home. There's no reason he shouldn't recover and
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: come home.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: You know, I almost would ask that doctor, what does
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: it matter what I sign? You're going to do whatever
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: you want to anyway.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: But I didn't know at the time because I had
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: not spoken with my husband. I didn't know what he
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: agreed to and what he hadn't.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: So I didn't know. I couldn't guarantee in my heart
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: that he hadn't agreed. to this ventilator. I just know
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: he told me not to agree to it. And I
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: was going to stand by that because that was the
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: last information I had. So on the 17th, the doctor
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: starts asking me to sign this do not resuscitate order.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: And I said, absolutely not. You will do everything you
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: can to save his life under any circumstances. And his
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: explanation is, well, he's on this rotoprone bed now, and
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: it's going to take us about 10 minutes to get
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: him out to even start resuscitation efforts. So it's better
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: for him if we don't even try. I said, yeah, no,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not doing that.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Hey, Leslie, do you have a few more minutes? Okay,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: because we're up against a break. We're going to take one,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: but we were going to continue this conversation. I find
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: it very interesting. It's riveting, in fact, but she's going
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: to take it somewhere. She's going to do some good
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: with this terrible story, and we're going to get to
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: that in just a minute.
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  Speaker 2: with Robin Andrew. Before that, the National Security Hour. And
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: coming up here in just a few minutes, it is Unleashed,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: the political news hour. We're visiting with Leslie Batts. She
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: is telling the story of her husband during COVID and
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: how he passed away and how the hospital and the
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: doctors and the medical staffs at the hospital treated him.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: And let's pick up the story right where we took
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: a break there before the commercials.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir. So as I said, at this point, he's
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: on the rotoprone bed. They're trying to get me to
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: sign the DNR. I refuse. And what I found out
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: later in the medical records was that the doctor on
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: the 16th, late that evening or that afternoon, apparently he
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: had woken up and extubated himself, pulled the tube out,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: and they had re-intubated him, which was the necessity for
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: being on this rotaprome bed, was because they induced what's
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: called a pneumomediastinum, which is a ventilator lung injury. They
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: had literally blown his lungs out and torn his trachea.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: And I didn't know any of this. This is why
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: they were trying to push the idea of the DNR,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: because there wasn't much they could do anymore. What I
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: found out also was that the doctor had ordered an overdose.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: And they had medicated him until he literally had no
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: brain activity.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: What did he order for an overdose?
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: He ordered what's called a RAS negative five sedation goal,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: which should never be a sedation goal. It's a heavy,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: heavy sedation for someone on a ventilator. But what ended
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: up happening is they ordered him at about 250 micrograms
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: of fentanyl. an hour, 25 milligrams of midazolam, 1.5 milligrams
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: of presidex per kilogram of body weight per hour, propofol, nimbex,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: and rocuronium, which is a paralytic. And then at one point,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: somebody finally realized that they had literally lost overdosed until
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: he had no brain activity. They backed off on some
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: of the medications a little bit and his brain activity
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: was extremely erratic from that point. Um, I think there
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: was a, a brain injury that had occurred as a
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: result of that. Um, and again, as you know, as
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I stated on the 20th, he, he passed away. Um,
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: But since, like I said, since then, after having received...
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: And I didn't know any of this. None of this
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: was told to me. None of it.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: When did you get the medical records?
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: About 10 days after he passed, I finally received a
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: death certificate, and I was able to go request the
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: medical records. And what I found in the medical records was... Oh,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I mean... It was a horror movie. It just, you
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: wouldn't believe it. And the things that happened were so unbelievable,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: but not because they weren't true. It's because no sane
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: person would believe that something like this could happen in
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: a hospital. Hospitals you go to to heal and help.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: But it was all in the records. It was all there.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I only went to go get the medical records because
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: I needed to know that he had given consent for
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: that ventilator. That was the sole purpose for me going
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: and getting the medical record is I wanted to see
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: that consent form.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: What did you find?
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: I needed to know. No consent form. Not only no
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: consent form, but none of the documentation for his admission
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: was signed. There was no authorization for treatment at all.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: They had forged my authorization. And I went back and
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I looked at my phone records and I said, I
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: never spoke to anybody. How did they witness that I
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: was giving authorization at this day and this time when
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't speak to anybody until a day later? There
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: was no consent form for the intubation. As a matter
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: of fact, when he sent me the text message about
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: them harassing him about the intubation, he had refused to
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: sign the consent forms and thrown the nurse out of
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: his room. And then they were signed medically necessary more
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: than 24 hours later without his signature.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: No signature. Okay.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: No signature. There was no signature for the transfer. The
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: transfer documents were forged. Again, the authorization for treatment when
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: he was admitted to the hospital was not signed by anyone.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: There was nothing. And it shocked me to, you know,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: I kept trying to find, I was trying to prove
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: that this was his wishes, that this was what he
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: had decided to do because it didn't make any sense
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: to me. And what I found in the records was
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: when he stopped communicating with me and didn't answer the
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: phone on the morning of the 11th, it was because
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: they had started sedating him. It was, they had started
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: with Presidex and morphine sedating him. And while he was
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: being sedated, I was being told, he's just refusing to
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: speak to you.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you knew that wasn't true at the time
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: because you knew your relationship, and you also knew that
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: he didn't want to go through any of this. So
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: he passes away, and now it had to be terrible
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: for you to have to deal with the passing of him.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: And you also have a child. You have a child together.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: And so you're picking up the pieces, and somewhere along
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: the way, you decide to pick yourself up and do
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: something about it. What is it that you want to do?
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: What is it that you are doing with a new
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: bill in the state of Oklahoma? What does it have
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: to do with what are you trying to accomplish?
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Well, what I found out over the last four years
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: is this story was not unique. As terrible as it sounds,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: this happened thousands of times all over the country. And we've,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: you know, as individuals have kind of found each other.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: So I started moving forward saying, OK, what do we
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: do about this? Because at the federal level, there is
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: what's called the PrEP Act, which gave immunity to anyone who,
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: you know, used any type of COVID countermeasure. They got
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: this broad sweeping blanket immunity. So there was no recourse
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: for any of us. We all knew that these horrible,
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: horrible things had happened, but we couldn't file a lawsuit
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: because no attorney would take it because they got immunity
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: from the PrEP Act. Nobody would take complaints. I went
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: to try to file police reports. They wouldn't accept the
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: police reports. It happened in a hospital. Doctors don't break
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: the law, basically, was what I was told. And this
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: is criminal. So we've gone through a lot of different
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: processes over the last four years. But what I learned
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: is I actually decided to go back to school and
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: study law after all of this happened, because I know
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: this isn't right. This should not be allowed to happen.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: And we've got to be able to fight it. But
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: to fight it, you kind of have to be on
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: the inside and have the know. So I went back
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: to school to study law, and that gave me the
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: resources to look up all of the case law and
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: establish that if you're procedurally barred from filing a claim,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: then your statute of limitations never starts. And very recently,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: there was an Oklahoma Supreme Court decision that said abuse, neglect, battery,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: failure to treat, all of those things according to the
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Supreme Court of Oklahoma, fall outside the liability protection that
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: is offered by the PrEP Act. So these things are
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: inexcusable and don't even qualify for PrEP Act immunity.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Has that been challenged at the Supreme Court of the
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: United States yet?
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: No.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Do you anticipate that?
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I would anticipate that, that that would also happen.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: I hope. that it reaches that level and this can
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: be established nationwide. But for right now, it's only Oklahoma
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: where the Supreme Court of Oklahoma has made this definitive
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: ruling that these things do not qualify for liability immunity.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: So all of that happened to your husband in the hospital.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: You just went through the story. What does that mean
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: for you now that the Supreme Court in Oklahoma did that?
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: What that means is that we have a path forward.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Now we've tried to pursue criminal because this was never
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: about money for anyone. we've tried to pursue criminal charges.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: We are now looking at, we have attorneys that are
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: willing to take the cases. We're going to fight as
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: many of these cases as we can in the courts,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: in the civil courts. We're going to establish the discovery
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: that says, you know, this happened broadly across at least
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: the state of Oklahoma for now. We can establish that
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: in court documents that this was not a singular event
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: that Um, and then we can move forward to the
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: federal level and say, whether it was intentional or incidental,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: the protections that you thought you were offering these folks, um,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: actually led to harm. And we can't allow this again
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: because it's not about, I mean, I can't bring my
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: husband back, but what I can do is I can
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: make a safer place and a safer future for my
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: son and for you and for everyone out there listening.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: that doesn't have to fear going to the hospital and
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: having your right to self-determination stripped away and becoming that
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: prisoner instead of the patient.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened in this case. And as you said,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: it happened thousands and thousands of times across this country.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: We watched it. Sometimes I don't know that we remember it.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: It's sort of like a fog in some ways, and
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it is to you as well. You're also
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: working on a new bill in Oklahoma. What is that about?
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: That bill is to codify into law what's already been
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: established in the court. That, again, if that procedural bar
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: is in place, that your statute of limitation is paused.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: It's a tolling statute.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: That says.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: You didn't run out of time simply because the law
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: said you couldn't file a lawsuit. So what this will
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: do is open up the courts back up for people
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: that fall under the specific category of COVID diagnosis, because
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: COVID diagnosis was the only time that we were not
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: allowed to file these lawsuits because of this perceived protection
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: by the PREP Act. And now that it has been
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: defined that these particular things don't fall under that protection,
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: we have the ability to move forward with some of
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: these claims in the civil court.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Go through those things again. You went through them a
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: few minutes ago, but let's narrow down again exactly what
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: those things are that the Supreme Court in Oklahoma says
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: you still can go ahead and sue civilly over these things.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Go through that list again.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: That's going to fall into categories like failure to treat.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: We have cases where someone went in for a heart
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: attack and They were never treated for the heart attack,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: but because they tested positive for COVID on admission, they
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: received COVID treatment like the remdesivir and ventilators and everything else.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: But the underlying condition, whether it was heart attack, a stroke,
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: a broken leg, we have someone that went in with
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: a broken leg that was never treated. The broken leg
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: was never treated, but they got COVID treatment. So failure
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: to treat the underlying or the admitting condition does not
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: receive treatment. that liability shield, things like abuse and neglect.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Is that what your husband would fall under?
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: My husband would actually fall under battery. Because.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: From the penalty, from having him intubated.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Right, because it wasn't just a lack of informed consent.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: It was, we actually refused the treatment and it was
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: done anyway. So that falls under and meets the criteria
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: for the definition of battery, which was why we were
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: trying to pursue criminal charges. The abuse, neglect, battery, failure
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: to treat, and I think that's going to pretty much
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: cover the exceptions to the PREP Act.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: How is your bill being received in the state legislature
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: in Oklahoma?
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: Everyone we have spoken to has been very supportive. We
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: have a lot of folks that have, you know, come
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: out and said that they would be more than willing
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: to co-author the bill on the House side. The problem
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: that we're facing right now is that it hasn't been
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: put on the agenda for the Civil Judiciary Committee.
• 54:16
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