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Cy-Hawk game time announced, Wolves fall, Dane Mizutani talks Timberwolves & Vikings OTAs · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Hi, good afternoon. Welcome to Miller and Condon on
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  a Thursdays. The Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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  Trent Condon and Ken Miller kicking off 6 hours of Iowa
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  based program. Thanks for starting your
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  afternoon here with us. Here's what's coming up on our
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  program at the bottom of the hour around that time we'll head
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  north of the Twin Cities den Mizutani St.
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  Paul Pioneer Press. He's been covering the T Wolves,
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  doing all the home games, been in the building and writing
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  about them on the road. Also yesterday, yesterday was at
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  Vikings OTAs. Little recap, a little Intel
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  perhaps on how JJ McCarthy looked as he and the other JJ
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  the All pro JJ was on the field together for one of the few
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  times in the last little while. So we'll get the latest on how
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  the Vikings looked OTAs from what the media could see
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  yesterday, but Dane Moussatani will join us on that.
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  Maybe a little twin stuff, but recap the Wolves season.
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  The 2425 season comes to an end. Last night in in a whimper as I
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  got beat by 30 crying out loud. So Dame Mazzutani, our only
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  guest in our number one, our number 2, Elliot Clough is going
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  to join us no longer with rivals, but some things on the
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  back burner including a stint next week with Sean Roberts to
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  kick off Monday and Tuesday. He will Co host with Sean right
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  here on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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  Perhaps something percolating there, We don't know, but we'll
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  see. Elliot Clough.
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  And then we'll go from the Hawks to the Clones with Bill Seals.
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  That he covers Iowa State. cyclonereport.com.
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  There's both Iowa and Iowa State related news when it comes to
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  football, and some of the kickoff times have been
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  announced within the last couple of hours.
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  The SEI Hawk game is going to kick off at 11:00 in the
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  morning. You happy with that?
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  Yeah. You like it?
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  Yeah. It's a national spotlight.
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  It's and yes, and Fox gets it. I mean.
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  The the complaints, it's, it's all over the.
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  Place no I wish it was at night I mean I'm a going, but I.
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  Just like you're, you're in a different world too, right?
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  You're sitting at home. Night games are hard.
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  Night games are hard for that one for the most of the public.
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  You know why? Because it's a party.
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  And most people, when you're partying all day that game at
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  night, you're not seeing all of it.
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  We'll just put it that way, alright?
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  For the people, for the. 100 You could put a slug in the jug or
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  pace yourself a little bit You. Don't have to tell me.
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  I mean I'm talking about 10s of thousands of people, The 100,000
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  people that are going to descend upon AIMS.
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  Tell them. A big noon kick off.
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  Will it be there? Yes, it has to be right.
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  Well, they already put the announcement.
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  I mean the graphic was put out by Fox.
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  So they are going to be there done deal as as Doctor Man
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  speculated with us on Tuesday. Yeah.
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  So do you like the 11:00 better for Psy Hawk or for Black
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  Friday? Well, 'cause that's an 11.
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  In general for me personally, I like them either way.
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  I mean, if it had my choice I'd go back to traditional 1:00
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  kickoffs but never gonna get. That no, those days are long
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  gone between the last year on Big or on ESPN Plus and we have,
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  we've seen that. We've seen a few of those really
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  once a year names, yeah. But between the two, what do I
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  prefer more? I think the Black Friday game, I
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  like the spotlight of it, where it is that stand alone well.
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  There's competition this year, there's more games, there's.
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  More games, but it's not the same.
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  It's not the same as a college football Saturday.
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  Now we know Week 2 is also not very good, but I'm just speaking
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  in generalities. More Black Friday Iowa, Nebraska
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  has become a tradition. It has, yes.
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  Nebraska traditionally playing on this day, Colorado and before
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  that, Oklahoma. So it's kind of their spot.
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  But I went out for this last decade and what they've been
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  able to do in the game, I think it's a game that nationally
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  resonates. And because of that, I like,
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  let's just open up the day and we're going to go right into
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  that and begin it now. You're talking about a short
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  week, one last day of rest. That's also a component there.
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  But you know what? Ferris isn't is doesn't.
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  Seemingly, he's not as bothered by that as he was when the game
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  first begins on. That day, I think he kind of
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  likes it. Well, I think he he believes
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  they have an advantage. He believes.
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  It didn't in the beginning. Right.
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  But they'd also been through it. They'd gone through those short
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  weeks and Iowa hadn't. I wonder in a quiet moment, and
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  we'll never actually get this from Kurt cuz it's Kurt Ferrets.
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  He has such a coaching advantage.
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  Not just him as a head coach, him and his staff over every
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  staff that's been in Nebraska. And we'll see if Rule can change
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  that. But his staff has been so much,
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  I mean, run circles around that group of buffoons on the other
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  side of the. River, are you including Brian
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  Ferrets? Besides the sun, OK, bloodlines
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  cut off. They have run circles over
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  around them. Nebraska's had a more talented
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  team almost every single year in terms of just Rod.
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  Palace, You could say that about a lot of I was at.
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  Absolutely. But Nebraska?
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  Up your point. Yes, at the top of the list.
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  And he says short week advantage us.
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  Short week, that works better for us, that rule.
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  We'll see if he can change that. But a decade into this thing
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  now, that has been an advantage for the Hawkeyes.
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  Texas and Texas A&M are moving the Black Friday.
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  The Egg Bowl's moving the Black Friday.
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  I don't know how many more games are going to find their way over
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  there, but I kind of liked it when there was only a few.
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  I know that the NF LS elbowing their way in there.
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  What do we get this year is the Chiefs, Raiders on Black Friday?
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  It's Chief, somebody I want to say on Black Friday.
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  Regardless, it's for college football for me anyways.
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  But we're starting to see some of the games that have been
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  announced. Iowa State's got a bunch of
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  them. No, it's the Bears.
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  Eagles is Black Friday. Oh, is it?
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  So when do the Chiefs play Chiefs Raiders?
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  I thought they. Played.
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  You're throwing a lot at me here.
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  Geez, get me on my toes right? Maybe.
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  That was last year. It was, was it?
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  Well, what? What are the Thanksgiving games
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  this year? They're, oh, they're playing the
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  Cowboys. The Chiefs are, yes, good,
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  right, 3:30. Oh man, I'm all over.
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  Well, what is so the Black Friday game is.
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  Yeah, I had that right. Packers, Lions, Chiefs, Cowboys.
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  And then the Nightcaps. The Eagles.
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  The Ravens, Black Friday Eagles. Bears.
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  I like it. What was What's the night Game?
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  Bengals at a Ravens. Oh, that and Joe Burrows.
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  Pissed. Yes, because they only play
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  primetime Thursday games. Baltimore.
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  Seemingly. Never in Cincinnati.
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  No, I make any. He's got a point.
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  He does have a point. Iowa State's kickoffs.
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  We knew about the K State game, that it was going to lead off
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  the day at 11:00 on ESPN. Now we know when the Seihawk
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  game is going to be played. There's one before that.
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  South Dakota, right? That's a 230, and that's also on
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  Big Fox. It is.
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  But this just goes to kind of back up the point of maybe not
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  the shiniest of weeks. What else is takes place that
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  that week? Well, I'm kind of surprised at
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  Fox 2:30 in the afternoon. Wonder what NBC will have?
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  Well, now you're I'm bringing all this up here and trying to
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  get through feels like, hey, you got me like 6000 tabs open over
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  here. You're keeping me on my toes.
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  All right, so I we're talking Week 2.
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  That's what you're looking at Week 2.
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  Let's get into it. TV schedules, college football
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  and Week 2. What else is out there that
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  week? Because I was with you, South
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  Dakota, Iowa State on big Fox at 2:30, not in a weird 5:00 game
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  like Iowa has in week one against Albany.
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  And that's an odd one. Here's what we have on the
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  slate. Texas play host to San Jose
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  State? Good.
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  Texas A&M? OK, hosting, yes.
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  Utah State, OK, doesn't exactly get the juices flowing.
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  Here's one it actually is decent. 2:30 on the Deuce,
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  Kansas at Missouri. I like.
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  That that's a nice game, yes. Fresno at Oregon State on the
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  CWI know you'll be locked in. Florida hosts in state rival
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  South Florida. Arkansas hosts in state rival
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  Arkansas State. I might watch that game a little
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  bit. That's on the SEC Network at
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  4:00, just because Iowa State, of course, plays Arkansas State.
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  So at least at at minimum that's going to get a DVR click that's
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  going to get the older record button on DIRECTV.
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  Yeah. Skin and through this thing is
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  hideous. Stanford at BYU.
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  And that's a late, late game, is it not?
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  Illinois at Duke. That's all right.
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  It's OK, just a whole bunch. But you know what, Trent, you
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  know, we're discussing right now, we're talking about college
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  football. We actually have some kickoff
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  times and it feels a little bit realer.
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  Is that a word realer, More real, more real?
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  It feels like it's a little bit more real that it is coming,
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  that the long wait is we're starting to check some boxes
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  with some kickoff times that have been announced.
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  So another component to the Iowa State part of the schedule I
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  thought was interesting is it's just the four first four weeks
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  and that's it. No homecoming, no night game, no
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  moving to do a Friday night, none of that.
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  But also Speaking of the Arkansas State game, that that
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  game's going to be on real TV on the Deuce.
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  I've had a crazy weird time. Anything like?
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  Middle of the afternoon, right? Yeah. 3:00 There was part of me
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  wondering, is that ticketed for an ESPN Plus?
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  Is this going to be something with the new app that's coming
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  out with ESPN? Yeah.
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  You know what I don't understand what, what are we doing here?
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  What, what is going to change for for me, for you?
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  We're both. So we're both ESPN Plus
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  subscribers. And the way that I understand it
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  is you have a subscription to ESPN Plus coupled with your
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  DIRECTV or your cable system, whatever.
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  Which I do. Yeah, I have both.
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  That you're not going to have to go out and pay extra like the
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  ESPN Plus games, those things, that it's all coming together
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  under one umbrella. That's my understanding is if
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  you're already paying for it, it's nothing extra.
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  It's nothing more. Don't have to do anything,
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  uninstall another app or their password.
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  Yeah, it's going to be the same and it'll eventually update and
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  everything will be in there and you're going to be OK.
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  That's my understanding of it. This is more for the cable
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  cutters or people. We talked about the cable
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  nevers, the people now in their 20s and into their 30s that have
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  never had cable and satellite before and trying to get them
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  now on board, actually spending money on ESPN 'cause they
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  haven't. No.
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  Well, it's going to force them to do so.
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  And that's the hope is what this eventually turns into is you're
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  going to be able to bring all those people back in.
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  The people that the last decade haven't been spending on ESPN,
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  they'll be spending in this direction.
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  OK, good. So those are the kickoff times
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  as we know it. And again, it just feels like
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  it's a little bit, you can almost grab it, right?
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  You can almost wrap your arms around.
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  Are you ready for 5:00 Iowa Albany?
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  What a weird. Weird start when that one's
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  being who's got that BTN. I think let me pull it up here.
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  FS1 game, if memory serves, something like yeah, it's it's a
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  weird 1 though. 5:00 kickoff. Well, I had the e-mail and then
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  I must have deleted it. But yeah, 5:00 for week 1.
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  Of course we know week two, 11:00 with big Fox.
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  So. And we know 11:00 on on Black
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  Friday. Yes, the new Big Noon kickoff is
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  going to be in Ames. I just sent you the announcement
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  that came from their Twitter account.
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  Week 1 they're in Columbus. Week 2, they're in Ames.
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  Week 3. Where are they?
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  They're making a trip to Chicagoland.
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  All the Northwestern game. Northwestern's got a big game.
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  Who are they playing? Oregon, right?
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  Oregon at Northwestern Week 3. Those are locked and loaded.
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  The first three stops for Big Noon kick off.
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  We do know that I would get, say, a night game at Kinnick in
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  middle of September, right? A night game against.
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  UMass UMass, that is a BTN affair, so at least it'll be at
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  least we got one under the lights.
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  Will there be another one come their way?
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  As far as night game they usually get?
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  I mean, that can't be the only night game, right?
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  You wouldn't think so. Also thought it was interesting.
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  The USC game though, there is no television that is attached to
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  it. It'll either be a 2 or 230 kick
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  off on Saturday. So no moving this to a Friday
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  night like we saw last year for UCLAI know that's going to make
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  a lot of Hawkeye fans happy because wanted to go.
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  Because it was a Friday night, that was, yeah.
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  Yeah, had the plan. Yeah, we're going to make this
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  happen this Friday night. Just completely changed the
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  plans because instead of hey, you know what, we'll duck out,
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  get a Thursday evening flight. Good luck.
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  Yeah, now you're leaving Wednesday, basically your whole
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  week's ruin. And so people are going to
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  hopefully be able to make that one happen right before
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  Thanksgiving, November 15th. For that one.
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  The Indiana game also got. Here's the announcement.
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  It'll be either at 11 or 2:30 or three.
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  Thank you for that. And then the Friday night game
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  against Rutgers, I think it sets up perfectly though, in the way
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  that it goes because of who they play beforehand.
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  Again, short week, you're going out to Rutgers.
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  We play UMass the week before and that should be deep reserves
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  into the ball game. Well, you want me to think?
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  Coast in guys are ready knowing that the week's going to look
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  different. Plus, they've been through it
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  and didn't look like it against UCLA last year, but they've been
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  through it so many Times Now it's it's not as big of a deal
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  as it was in the past. Fun stuff.
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  Let's let's go back to last night and and talk a little bit
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  about the basketball game. And maybe my biggest take away
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  from this whole thing is just how much better OKC is than the
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  T Wolves. What what does this do as far as
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  as how you now view the 2425 season for Minnesota?
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  Still a success. Was it?
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  Back-to-back seasons of getting to the Western Conference
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  finals. This is an organization.
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  They'd only won one playoff series before the last two
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  years, only won two in one season.
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  They'd only advanced the lack of playoff appearances.
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  This is a morbid organization. This is one of the worst
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  organizations in professional sports at Eddie Miniature and to
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  get to the Final Four in back-to-back years.
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  But what could have been though? I mean the KG era back-to-back
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  in the day, but at Marbury nothing happened.
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  No, I know that being Marbury left town.
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  It's a bad organization and you have a guy that's going to get
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  there, you know people. Well, SGA, he's got it.
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  SGA is 3 years older than Anthony Edwards.
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  Well, let's talk about this in three years, if we're still
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  having the same conversation at that point.
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  Because guess what? Three years ago, SGA was not in
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  a Western. No, but SGA, I mean SGA and his
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  his mates aren't going anywhere. I mean this, this roster is
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  going to be intact for a while, one would assume.
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  Well paying and that is not an organization that is going to
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  get up and going to be paying that tax apron either so I'd
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  pump the brakes on that we see windows close they it happens a
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  lot more what is the number now? Well we're going to have a
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  different champion for the ninth or tenth straight season in the
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  NBA. That never happened to the NBA.
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  We back-to-back to back a three peat became a term that Pat
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  Riley's made hundreds of thousands of dollars on that
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  doesn't happen to this league. It does now though because of
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  the salary structure and the way that it's set up.
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  Sustainability is not what it once was.
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  I just the thought out there, SGA, well he is so much better
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  than the Ant he is right now. His team is a whole lot better.
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  Talk to me in three years. That's all I want to say about
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  that. Talk to me in three years.
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  That is a fair comparison. SGA now compared to Ant now is
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  not a fair 1. He wasn't here.
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  His team wasn't even making the playoffs three years.
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  But are you confident that they're going to be able to
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  retool the roster in the Twin Cities?
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  Because this is an old roster in a.
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  Lot of it is and the possibility that Nas isn't going to be there
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  and a couple other pretty major pieces including Julius Randall.
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  I just believe in Anthony Edwards.
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  I believe that this guy is 23 years old after back-to-back
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  Western. Conference, even after what you
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  just saw the last five games, Absolutely still do.
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  I do. I don't as much I wanted to, and
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  I think it was. Maybe it's a product of being
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  forced into believing that this guy is one of the faces of the
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  league and I hope he turns out to be, but he's not there yet.
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  He he's just not. He was he was bad, you know, by
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  his standards. He was bad in the in this in
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  this series. He was he was really good before
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  that when he won. Good game in this series, one
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  good game. We'll see where it goes.
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  I just I don't have the confidence that maybe that you
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  do that they're going to put the right pieces around him.
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  When did they when did they start getting draft picks?
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  Not that that's the be all end. All in that.
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  League by any means, but. And those draft picks are going
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  to be in the 20s. Sure, but at least it's it's
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  something you can, you know, barter if you've got those,
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  they're paying through their nose there.
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  We'll see. We'll see.
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  I hope that this isn't the window that's closing, Right?
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  And I mean, you got Superstar. I think you didn't look like it
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  in this last five games, but I think you do.
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  We'll see where it goes. And hopefully they clean up the
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  SGA in the way the Thunder play because it's unwatchable.
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  It is, but you know what? Maybe that's just an US problem.
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  I don't think so. I don't think we're the only
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  ones complaining about that. No, but I mean, it's not
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  changing anytime soon. I mean, whoever wins this out of
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  the Eastman Cats, questionable. I don't know if that's good or
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  bad for tonight's game. Do you see the Pacers or the
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  Knicks? Should they somehow come back in
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  this series giving them a run? I don't.
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  Know this thing's over? I think it is too.
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  Can they win a couple of games? 2 comes out of the.
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  E 2 at best, I hope. Yeah.
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  And that's a hope. And that's a hope.
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  I mean, Halliburton has been unbelievable as as much as that.
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  We're talking about his triple double and his four steals that
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  he had yesterday and when we maybe kind of glossed over.
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  No turnover, no turnovers. My God, all of the that that
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  stat line and then you just get to that big goose egg and your
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  eyes are kind of drawn to the total points and the total
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  assist and the total rebounds and there's that goose egg under
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  the TO for turnover. It's a phenomenal game.
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  He really was and. How much he handles it?
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  No constant. Yeah, this isn't a center.
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  No, that didn't turn. This guy's got the ball in his
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  hand. And the pace that they play at,
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  the tempo that they play at, and to not turn it over, yeah,
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  that's a great point. How big of a favorite did you
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  say OKC would be? What was it yesterday minus they
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  were -4 something weren't they, 475 right in that range?
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  Well, now that they've officially clinched, is it -500
• 18:06
  now you? Think, I hope not.
• 18:07
  That's too. That's that's crazy.
• 18:09
  That gives me no hope if that's the case, that this series is
• 18:11
  going to be any good. You know what I did and I
• 18:13
  continue to keep doing it. I just think you got to swallow
• 18:15
  hard. Put the Florida Panthers to the
• 18:17
  OK C Thunder and take your plus money.
• 18:20
  Can't you hit plus buddy? Anymore you still can, but not
• 18:22
  much. Like it's like $1.15.
• 18:24
  The Thunder are -680. Five.
• 18:27
  Are they that big? To win the NBA championship.
• 18:29
  Currently at Circus Sports, you can get the Knicks at 20. 8 to 1
• 18:32
  No thanks. How about the Pacers at plus
• 18:34
  6:15? Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope.
• 18:37
  Put. So this is circa.
• 18:38
  Can you? Can you do a multi team prop at
• 18:42
  circa? Let's see here.
• 18:43
  Could you put the Panthers with them?
• 18:45
  I got to login in order to do that.
• 18:47
  Let me login to make that happen.
• 18:49
  Mike, give me a moment. I don't think you're getting
• 18:51
  plus money at 685. I know you are at DraftKings.
• 18:55
  I know you are. Was that after things?
• 18:57
  This was this morning. It was this morning.
• 18:59
  OK, C is -750 at DraftKings. Jeez Louise.
• 19:03
  All right, so there's NBA. We got that one in the back
• 19:05
  pocket. Let's jump over to hockey series
• 19:09
  prices. No Stanley Cup, yes, no
• 19:12
  Panthers, Oh yeah, they're -118 so yeah, it would be.
• 19:17
  What would you get plus 1/17? All right, DraftKings is plus
• 19:24
  1/16, so they're they're pretty much even yes on that.
• 19:27
  But it sure looks as though these are the two champs we will
• 19:30
  see both have qualified for the respective sports final and away
• 19:34
  we go from that. How about this kids parlay
• 19:36
  ticket? What would you do?
• 19:37
  Let me pull it up and get it in front of me when I do this.
• 19:40
  So this kid bet $13.13, but he's a kid.
• 19:44
  All right, sounds like my kind of better.
• 19:45
  All right, $13. This is what he put together,
• 19:48
  $13 ticket. Yep, he's got the LA Dodgers to
• 19:51
  win the World Series last year. Last year.
• 19:53
  So that's it. He had the New York Liberty to
• 19:56
  win the WNBA winner. He had the Philadelphia Eagles.
• 20:00
  Winner. He's got OKC.
• 20:04
  Winner. And the Edmonton Oilers his $13.
• 20:10
  DraftKings wants to give him $83,000 right now. 83 grand.
• 20:15
  If he holds his ticket it pays 270,000 assuming the Oilers win
• 20:21
  and OKC wins. So AKC is a cinch so I would
• 20:25
  take that guaranteed payout. 83 grand.
• 20:30
  Put right now, what are the Oilers to win the series?
• 20:35
  Take 20 of it. 20 grand of that 83 Put it on the Oilers to win
• 20:40
  it all right now and call it good.
• 20:42
  At minimum, you got $63,000 in your back pocket and it can grow
• 20:46
  even more if what you initially had was there.
• 20:49
  But if they do do it, you'd be kicking yourself, right?
• 20:52
  You would, absolutely. I mean, but this just goes to
• 20:54
  show you A, it's incredibly difficult.
• 20:56
  This kid caught lightning in a bottle.
• 20:58
  But it's not like you have to bet hundreds, right?
• 20:59
  And this kid put $13. I'm looking at his ticket right
• 21:02
  now, Dodgers, Oilers, Liberty, Eagles, and OK C and DraftKings
• 21:06
  wants to give him $83,687.00 today.
• 21:10
  Man, that'd be a nice payout. It would be.
• 21:12
  We'll take a time out. We'll come back.
• 21:14
  I will talk to Dane Mosutani. We'll go to the Twin Cities.
• 21:17
  Talk to Dane next. What do the Timberwolves do from
• 21:19
  here? Where do they go?
• 21:21
  Do or do they do anything? Do you?
• 21:23
  Can you? What do they need?
• 21:27
  What do they need? What does?
• 21:28
  What does? Ant need If he's going to take
• 21:29
  that next step, he needs Randall every night.
• 21:33
  Well, do they need a real point guard?
• 21:35
  I mean, do you want him handling the ball as much as he does?
• 21:39
  Well, because Connelly is, too. Old.
• 21:41
  He's too old. He's too old.
• 21:43
  Do you want a a quick pass first point guard?
• 21:48
  Does that make sense for him? Or are you taking the ball out
• 21:50
  of his hands too much and you don't want to go that direction?
• 21:53
  Does it make sense to bring in maybe another two guard kind of
• 21:56
  shooter? Answer your point.
• 21:58
  You go that direction and add a guy with some size, some
• 22:01
  versatility defensively like that 6566 shooting guard and
• 22:05
  then Ant becomes your point guard.
• 22:07
  I think somebody in the backcourt though, you start
• 22:08
  right there. Does D Vincenzo need more
• 22:11
  minutes on this team? He was so bad though, for so
• 22:14
  long as stretches he couldn't shoot the ball.
• 22:16
  He's unplayable when he can't shoot.
• 22:17
  But but he had pretty good playoff series.
• 22:20
  Two of the games they needed it. What was he, 5 and 19?
• 22:24
  I think the first three games of the series, it's not good
• 22:26
  enough. Or first two, whatever it was,
• 22:29
  they can't afford that. And a lot of those were open
• 22:31
  shots. I think they got to get better
• 22:33
  at that spot. I like him.
• 22:34
  I don't love him if he's your eighth guy.
• 22:37
  Now we're cooking. But when he's in your top five,
• 22:40
  I can't get there with Divincenzo.
• 22:42
  Do you like Alexander Walker? I do, yeah.
• 22:45
  That's a piece. That's a piece you got to stay
• 22:46
  with. Does he need starter minutes
• 22:49
  next year? Well, you don't go real deep in
• 22:53
  the playoffs in general anyway. I think he's good in that 28 to
• 22:56
  32 minute range though. I think that's a good spot on a
• 22:59
  team that's going to win a championship.
• 23:00
  Like you don't want to play in 40 minutes.
• 23:02
  That's not his role. I think the role that he has,
• 23:05
  how? Old is he?
• 23:07
  26 maybe something like that. He's 26, you're right.
• 23:10
  Yep, 26. Nailed that one.
• 23:12
  All right, take your time out. We'll talk to Dane Mazatani
• 23:15
  next. We'll also get an update.
• 23:17
  He was at Vikings practice yesterday.
• 23:18
  Had a chance to meet with some of the players and coaches
• 23:21
  following the game. Mazatani next.
• 23:23
  Miller and Condon, we're on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 23:30
  I'm Miller. Condon.
• 23:31
  Welcome back, Iowa Sports Radio Network, wherever you're
• 23:33
  listening in the state of Iowa. Thank you for doing so.
• 23:37
  We will talk to Dane Mazatani. In fact, when we get to him
• 23:40
  right this very 2nd St. Paul Pioneer Press
• 23:43
  twincities.com covers the Vikings.
• 23:45
  That is his primary beat. He comes off the bench was going
• 23:48
  to say pinch hits, but he comes off the bench cover the T Wolves
• 23:52
  as he did during the run through the playoffs and he joins us.
• 23:55
  Dane Trenton Ken, as always, thank you.
• 23:58
  Didn't obviously the 30 points lost last night was not the way
• 24:03
  that T Wolves fans wanted it to end, clearly, but they were just
• 24:07
  overmatched seemingly. Just at the end of the day,
• 24:10
  maybe just got to take your medicine and, you know, come to
• 24:14
  the belief that just OK, C is just better than the T Wolves
• 24:17
  were this year. Is that how most will see it or
• 24:20
  will they see it that there's just something missing on this
• 24:22
  team or maybe the maybe both to to an extent?
• 24:27
  Yeah, I think when you kind of really break it down to the
• 24:31
  series itself, you look at the the difference in the teams and
• 24:37
  what kind of showed up on the court, it's kind of hard to deny
• 24:41
  that one team was better than the other.
• 24:44
  But then when you really kind of micro analyze each game as a
• 24:48
  whole, just a couple runs here and there, that did prove to be
• 24:52
  the difference. Obviously, last night, the run
• 24:55
  lasted for an entire half that title with, you know, ended up
• 24:59
  being being something that the wolves got punched and they
• 25:02
  didn't really show up after that.
• 25:04
  But I think it's easy to look at a series like this that went
• 25:08
  five games and say all the wolves are so far away.
• 25:11
  But I really think they're probably closer then it might
• 25:15
  seem at the surface. It's just a matter of those
• 25:18
  little things doing the right things over and over again.
• 25:21
  And I think when you really look back on this series, it is the
• 25:24
  little things that made the biggest difference, even though
• 25:28
  as a whole what was probably looked like the team that was
• 25:31
  very, very much overmatched. Definitely there were those
• 25:34
  stretches and defensively what the Thunder do they make it
• 25:37
  difficult on everybody? Ken asked me earlier interesting
• 25:40
  question. I want to get your perspective.
• 25:42
  What does Anthony Edwards need going forward?
• 25:44
  What kind of running mate, what kind of roster construction?
• 25:48
  What does he need to hit that apex that I think that he
• 25:51
  definitely can hit? He has the talent to do it.
• 25:53
  What needs to be around him? Yeah, I mean, I think first it
• 25:57
  starts with an Ant and that might be a little unfair because
• 26:02
  he was still their best player in the series when you look at
• 26:05
  it as a whole. But he needs, I think
• 26:09
  fundamentally probably a mid range game getting to his spots.
• 26:12
  You saw what it does for Shay. I think he might need to figure
• 26:16
  out a way to to use drawing fouls to his advantage.
• 26:19
  I know he doesn't like to play that way but that seems to be
• 26:22
  getting rewarded in the league. I think he needs to get out and
• 26:26
  transition more and use force in the open floor, not just in the
• 26:31
  half court. So I think improvements need to
• 26:33
  come from within him starting off.
• 26:36
  But what he needs around him, I think he needs Jaden McDaniels
• 26:40
  to take the next step. We talked to Jaden McDaniels
• 26:42
  today at at exit interviews. He said he's going to work on
• 26:45
  his entire offensive game. You know what you're going to
• 26:47
  get from Jaden on defense. How can he level up offensively
• 26:52
  to help Ant and be that running mate he needs?
• 26:55
  I don't think you're going to see them bring in another, you
• 26:59
  know, two or three guys. I think the team is the team
• 27:02
  now. Tim Conley might make a trade.
• 27:04
  We've seen him do that. But I think right now you just
• 27:08
  look at what the team has in place who needs to take steps
• 27:11
  forward. Jada McDaniels is the top of
• 27:13
  that list. He he he stepped up this year.
• 27:16
  He needs to take another step next year.
• 27:19
  Same with Nas Reed. I think you saw a lack of
• 27:21
  consistency from Nas Reed in the playoffs.
• 27:24
  If they're going to pay him or he has to be a guy that can
• 27:27
  bring it every single night, I think the pieces are in place.
• 27:30
  It's easy to react to a series like this and say they just
• 27:34
  don't have enough, but frankly, with the way the new NBA is
• 27:38
  trending with the new CBA and how it kind of locks you into
• 27:41
  your roster pretty quickly, a lot of the growth is going to
• 27:46
  have to come from within. Luckily, if Ant continues to
• 27:50
  take steps forward, the Wolves have one of the best players in
• 27:52
  the league and that's going to make them relevant in the
• 27:55
  conversation every single year. Yeah, Mcdadge is probably best
• 27:58
  known in this series for being fed up and just pushing SGA from
• 28:01
  behind under the ground. What about a guy like Terence
• 28:03
  Shannon who we watched in the Big 12 and then the Big 10 and
• 28:07
  and finally got to watch him more so as the playoffs went on?
• 28:11
  Is this a candidate to take a step forward in a bigger role
• 28:14
  next year? Dane.
• 28:16
  Certainly, I think you saw that in the playoffs in the spot
• 28:19
  minutes that he got. Just the force that he plays
• 28:22
  with is something that, one, you can't teach, but two, you need
• 28:26
  in the NBA without defenses are trying to kind of muck up the
• 28:30
  middle and, you know, close off the paint.
• 28:34
  Well, you can't really close off the paint against Eric Shannon
• 28:37
  with the force with which he plays the game.
• 28:40
  So I think yeah, you're going to see him take on a bigger role
• 28:42
  next year with Terence Shannon. It's easy to kind of look at him
• 28:46
  and on a roster and say he's a rookie, how are we going to be
• 28:50
  ready for him to take a big step forward next year?
• 28:53
  Then you look at his age, he's played a lot of basketball.
• 28:55
  He's actually older than Anthony Edwards and Jaden McDaniels.
• 28:58
  So if they want him to step in and and play a bigger role,
• 29:02
  well, he's a grown man. He should be ready for that.
• 29:04
  He's not a 1920 year old kid that needs to kind of grow into
• 29:08
  his body. As you've seen, he can step up
• 29:11
  and play right away. Now it's I keep going to keep
• 29:15
  saying it's about consistency with him too.
• 29:17
  And I think consistency will come with more minutes, a bigger
• 29:20
  role. But yeah, I think the playoff
• 29:22
  experience was big for him, and I think it was kind of a sneak
• 29:25
  peek at what could be in store for him next year when they're
• 29:29
  probably relying on him a little bit more.
• 29:31
  Going back a couple summers ago, the trade of Rudy Gobert, many
• 29:36
  people including two people sitting here talking right now
• 29:39
  thought it was maybe 1 of the worst trades in in basketball
• 29:41
  history. Here we are back-to-back Western
• 29:44
  Conference finals appearances. How do we look at that trade
• 29:47
  now? And still to be determined,
• 29:49
  obviously, but I think it looks a whole lot different than it
• 29:52
  did a couple summers back. I think they won the trade, I I
• 29:55
  really do, and I think you can say that right now.
• 29:57
  Even if they don't win a championship, Rudy has helped
• 30:01
  establish a culture here. And the thing about Rudy is a
• 30:05
  lot of his impact on the game is invisible.
• 30:07
  It's that he exists on the court and defenses play or offenses
• 30:11
  play differently around him. Now, the struggles of Rudy and
• 30:15
  the madding part of his game is that sometimes it looks like
• 30:19
  it's his first time on the court, playing when he's on the
• 30:21
  offensive end. But I really think with him that
• 30:24
  that's just kind of the ebbs and flows you have to take the good
• 30:28
  and the bad because what he brings defensively, it's just
• 30:33
  something that I think if you know, I know fans right now,
• 30:36
  they're they're mad at Rudy because we couldn't catch a pass
• 30:39
  yesterday. Well, the entire team forgot how
• 30:41
  to dribble and pass and choose at the same time.
• 30:43
  So it wasn't just Rudy, but if you traded Rudy Gobert, your
• 30:47
  defense would fall off a Cliff. It already trended backwards
• 30:51
  last year. I think they regressed
• 30:52
  defensively as a team and I think some of that comes with
• 30:55
  just a commitment to that side of the ball.
• 30:57
  They were the best defensive team in the league last year.
• 31:00
  I think 6th or 7th this year when you look at defensive net
• 31:03
  rating, if you were to just trade Rudy Gobert, the defense
• 31:07
  would fall off a Cliff. So I think with him, he's always
• 31:11
  going to be someone that's kind of an easy punching bag because
• 31:14
  when and he struggles, it's very, very obvious, very, very
• 31:18
  apparent. But I think when you look back
• 31:21
  on that trade, even now, they could they could never reach in
• 31:27
  a Western Conference finals again.
• 31:29
  But I think that's right. It was worth it.
• 31:31
  Just look at what the Jazz have on the other end.
• 31:33
  Most of those guys don't play. Most of the picks have already
• 31:36
  conveyed they they traded Rudy Gobert, who's one of the
• 31:40
  greatest defenders of all time for a bunch of guys who are no
• 31:43
  longer on the roster, and Walker Kessler, who they've been
• 31:46
  looking to trade. So it was a, it was a trade that
• 31:50
  that made waves at the time. But I think right now, hey,
• 31:54
  they, they, they won that side. Yeah, Trent and I took the L, no
• 31:57
  doubt about it and I think we both admit so and have already
• 32:00
  in the past for those reasons you spelled out.
• 32:03
  I know that this probably didn't come up with the exit
• 32:05
  interviews. I know that the media is not
• 32:07
  clamoring to find out about Luca Garza's club option for next
• 32:12
  year. What do we know about the former
• 32:14
  Hawkeye? Guess the the team will have
• 32:16
  till the end of June. He's making league minimum which
• 32:19
  is just over $2,000,000. Do you think Garza is a is a
• 32:22
  wolf next year? Hard to say.
• 32:26
  I think if he's, I mean he's pretty cheap and like I said,
• 32:31
  your roster kind of is your roster with the new CBA.
• 32:35
  So if it's just a $2,000,000 team option, I wouldn't be
• 32:37
  surprised if they picked it up. He's a guy who has consistently
• 32:42
  got better every single year he's been with the organization.
• 32:47
  He's a guy that I think will have limitations that kind of
• 32:51
  stopped him from being a super impactful rotational player.
• 32:56
  But I think there are ways that he can impact the game.
• 32:58
  So wouldn't be surprised if he his team option was picked up
• 33:02
  and then wouldn't be surprised if he was back on the team next
• 33:05
  year. We'll see what that means as far
• 33:08
  as role, yeah, he didn't come up today, but but I think he's a
• 33:11
  guy that they really like here in Minnesota.
• 33:14
  Over to the Vikings, OTA is happening and saw a big throng
• 33:18
  of media there watching listening to JJ McCarthy when he
• 33:21
  was at the podium. I think yesterday the questions
• 33:24
  are going to be coming. This what turned out to be
• 33:27
  basically a red shirt year though for JJ McCarthy.
• 33:30
  How good could this be for him not having to worry about being
• 33:33
  on that field that first year? Yes, injury was obviously a big
• 33:36
  component to that, but just getting that year of just
• 33:38
  learning, how important is that for now his first year as a
• 33:41
  starter? I think it's huge and I think
• 33:44
  there's a world in which JJ McCarthy does not get hurt and
• 33:50
  he still plays no games because Sam Arnold was that good.
• 33:54
  Now, obviously if you were saying here's a 21 year old kid,
• 33:59
  you would not choose for him to have a knee injury.
• 34:02
  But I think the time kind of watching from afar, seeing Sam
• 34:07
  Darnold do it without having that pressure and that
• 34:11
  conversation of when the heck are they going to put JJ
• 34:14
  McCarthy on the field? I think that he was kind of
• 34:17
  inherently like not having to deal with that because of the
• 34:24
  injury probably helped him progress and just really buckle
• 34:27
  down and and be in the playbook and focus on what he needs to
• 34:30
  focus on. And I think the most impressive
• 34:33
  thing with with what JJ McCarthy did is you saw Steph forward
• 34:38
  last year from rookie mini camp to OTAs to training camp to
• 34:43
  obviously that pre season game. And he was at a certain point in
• 34:47
  his progression. And then I see him on the field
• 34:49
  yesterday and he looks like he's picked up right where he left
• 34:53
  off. And I think that's a testament
• 34:56
  to all the work he put in during that time during that quote UN
• 34:59
  quote red shirt year, like a lot of people are calling it.
• 35:02
  So I think it was big for him and I think it is something that
• 35:06
  will help him hit the ground running this year when he is QB
• 35:09
  one for this team. They haven't officially named
• 35:12
  him the starter. I don't think they will
• 35:13
  officially name him the starter, but I'll go ahead and say it on
• 35:17
  the radio. He is the starting quarterback
• 35:19
  Viking. I think the year kind of
• 35:21
  watching and and and look, experiencing the highest of
• 35:25
  highs and seeing Sam Darnold, who you know, it was a
• 35:29
  professional quarterback and really, really excel in the
• 35:32
  system. I think it was all good for JJ
• 35:34
  McCarthy and I think we'll see. It doesn't mean he's going to
• 35:38
  win 14 games and throw a 35 touchdown, but I think he has at
• 35:41
  baseline a very good, good spot. And then I think the Vikings are
• 35:45
  going to be, you know, looking at at what we saw at JJ
• 35:50
  McCarthy, I think the Vikings are going to be relevant for a
• 35:52
  very, very long time with him at the helm.
• 35:54
  You know what I thought was good yesterday as well because these
• 35:56
  ones are still voluntary, but Jefferson and Addison apparently
• 35:59
  were both there and both wanted to be there with the rookie
• 36:02
  quarterback, which I thought was he, I guess the red shirt rookie
• 36:06
  quarterback, which I thought was telling as well.
• 36:08
  Dane. Yeah, I'm actually writing about
• 36:11
  that today, which is from Justin Jefferson's first perspective.
• 36:14
  Like he's a guy who he missed OTAs last year because of the
• 36:18
  contract dispute. I I mean, we would all miss OTAs
• 36:22
  if we were about to negotiate a super lucrative contract and we
• 36:25
  didn't want to risk anything. But Justin Jefferson and Jordan
• 36:29
  Addison both being there huge because it allows JJ McCarthy to
• 36:34
  continue or start the process of building some chemistry.
• 36:37
  He, you remember last year in the spring, in the summer, Sam
• 36:41
  Darnold was getting a majority of the first team reps, which
• 36:44
  means JJ McCarthy really didn't throw to Justin Jefferson.
• 36:47
  He didn't really throw to Jordan Addison that often.
• 36:50
  So now he's getting all of these reps he's getting, you know, the
• 36:53
  early stages of learning the timing, learning what works,
• 36:56
  learning what doesn't work. And I think that's just going to
• 36:59
  be great for everybody involved. So when you look at what, you
• 37:04
  know, the participation as a whole across the board, I think
• 37:06
  it speaks to the culture the Vikings are built.
• 37:09
  I also think OTAs across the league has become, you know,
• 37:14
  they're not mandatory, but they kind of are like she want to be
• 37:17
  there. So I'm not surprised that they
• 37:19
  had such good attendance. But when your stars are the ones
• 37:23
  showing up, when you're Justin Jefferson's of the world are the
• 37:26
  ones showing up and putting in the work, that's a pretty good
• 37:30
  example for everyone else to follow.
• 37:32
  Yeah, they kind of are voluntarily, but they're kind of
• 37:34
  not. And if you need an example of
• 37:35
  that, look what New England and Vrabel was not happy that Diggs
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  was not there to work with Drake May etcetera and rather spend
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  time on a boat. But anyways, good stuff.
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  Hey, Dana, as always, thank you for doing this, for recapping
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  the Wolves season looking ahead and obviously your primary beat,
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  the Vikings. We'll talk to you in the weeks
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  ahead. Dane, thank you again.
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  Appreciate it. Sounds good anytime.
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  Thank you, buddy. Dane Mazatani, St.
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  Paul, Pioneer Press, twincities.com as we check in on
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  the Wolves and the Vikings. Time out, come back, finish up.
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  Hour number one, Miller and Condon.
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  Iowa Sports Radio Network. I'm Miller and Condon.
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  Final couple of minutes, hour number one.
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  Hour #2 we'll talk some Hawks, we'll talk some clones.
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  Trump will make some picks. Circus sports sponsor those.
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  The College Football Hall of Fame is lowering, lowering its
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  standards, not significantly, to allow for the inclusion of Mike
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  Leach into the Hall of Fame for coaches.
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  The bar the the threshold was 60% winning percentage.
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  His was 59 and a half .595. So they're going to lower it to
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  that to make him eligible. Would they do it if he was
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  living? No.
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  Should they do it when he's? Gone.
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  Yes, he revolutionized offensive football as we know it.
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  But if he was living, he still would have had that as part of
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  his resume. He would have, but we don't know
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  how that resume would have ended and that resume well.
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  It would have ended in some obscure talk college town.
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  We know that. And it could Allman, Starkville
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  and Lubbock. And it could have been back in
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  Mount Pleasant. I mean, it could have been, you
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  can see that guy coach in NAA IA football somewhere.
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  That's just he beat to his own drum.
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  He died in his press conferences were one-of-a-kind.
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  What did he have? Spears for something in his
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  office A. Pirate stuff.
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  Pirate stuff. That's big big fan of.
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  Pirates. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, and that's the schwa. He's he's one of one.
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  No. He is I, I don't want to sound
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  like I don't like the guy. I do.
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  I thought he was phenomenal, I think.
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  Miller hates him. That's that's what I took away
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  today, hatred of Mike Leach. No, it's just that.
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  With their circumstances that are out of control, change the
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  circumstances. So what if will they change them
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  back If if Ference, let's say if it doesn't go well for Ference
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  and he doesn't meet that threshold?
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  Yeah. Will they change it for Kirk
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  once he passes? No, because Kirk Ference, as
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  good of a football coach as he is, he didn't change the game.
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  He didn't. He wasn't that kind of.
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  There wasn't something special that needed to happen like that.
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  Kurt's been with us for a long time.
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  But. He does not.
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  He is not an iconic figure. Gotcha.
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  Like Mike Leach. So if I asked you like Tan
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  Patrick, says Trent, what did you learn today?
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  I learned that you don't like Mike.
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  Leach, You don't like Mike Leach?
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  That's. Couldn't be further from the
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  truth. Hour 2 Coming up next Miller and
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  Condon, Iowa Sports Radio Network.