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Favorite Non-Pittsburgh Sports Moments (Part 1) · Pittsburgh Sports Memories

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to another Pittsburgh Spurs Memories without the Pittsburgh Sports.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm your co-host, Steve Wert, and I'm joined by I'm Tim Hannon.
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  SPEAKER_02: And on this episode, we take a moment to look back at our favorite sports moments that have nothing to do with Pittsburgh.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_02: So kind of false advertising on the podcast today.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um so we're gonna look at everything from Division II national championships to uh women's soccer.
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  SPEAKER_02: So uh yeah, this should this should be fun, huh, Tim?
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's it's I This is going to be a fun one just because we've, you know, obviously we talk a lot about Pittsburgh sports because that's the theme of the show.
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  SPEAKER_04: But sports are fun in general, and there's a lot of great moments that don't involve our teams that are fun to relive as well.
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  SPEAKER_04: So we'll get into some of those.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's even some hate watching, which is always a fun.
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  SPEAKER_04: There is some defin my first one is definitely a hate watch.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_02: Alright, so they'll start with me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um I I watched this game uh actually on my couch.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um it's uh Barton and Winona State in the Division II National Championship.
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  SPEAKER_02: This occurred March 24th, 2007.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, so the background is is Winona State enters this championship game as a heavy favorite.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're from Minnesota, I do believe.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Winona State at this point going into the championship game has a 57-game winning streak.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they actually won the national championship the year before.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they're looking to go back to back.
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  SPEAKER_02: Barton State for its actually they're not in Barton State, they're Barton College, they're not even a university, they're a college, and they're looking to win their first championship of basketball ever, and they're just a small school, and this is as far as they've ever made it.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Barton late in the game finds himself down about, I would say, eight to eleven points, and um all basically all Winona State has to do is hit some foul shots.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, the craziest thing happens is Winona State starts missing foul shots, and we get to this little end part here with two minutes left.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, Barton is down 70, uh Winona is still leading 75 to 73, and they have just pulled within two points, and they're going to inbound.
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  SPEAKER_09: Ten seconds left.
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  SPEAKER_09: Down by two.
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  SPEAKER_08: The drive.
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  SPEAKER_08: Reverse.
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  SPEAKER_08: Oh, what a play! Anthony Atkinson has tied it up.
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  SPEAKER_08: Four seconds left.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_08: Melvick stole away.
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  SPEAKER_08: He's got time.
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  SPEAKER_08: Atkinson layup.
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  SPEAKER_08: Good.
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  SPEAKER_08: Good.
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  SPEAKER_08: Anthony Atkinson at the buzzer.
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  SPEAKER_09: Barker is your national champion.
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  SPEAKER_02: Actually, what like before that play, there was he like he Larry Bird it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, remember Larry Bird like stole that inbound pass?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like he did that, like when they were still down by like four points.
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  SPEAKER_02: He stole an inbound pass and scored real quick.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then he does this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, what had happened was they inbound the ball, and he actually drove, tied the game, and Winona doesn't call a timeout, they just inbound the ball, and they're driving to get like a last second shot off, and another teammate steals the ball, passes to him, and he has like a wide open path to the to the basket with like I don't know, four or three seconds left.
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  SPEAKER_02: And actually, I've read interviews where he said he he when he saw the clock, he just felt this tremendous calm because he was like, I'm gonna win the game, because there was literally no one between him and the basket.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_02: So he just takes his time and lays it in, and it's the most craziest basketball finish I've ever seen in my life.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I've ever seen a game quite end like this, Tim.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh, this gentleman, Anthony Atkinson, is the hero, obviously.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, what does uh goes on the aftermath?
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh Winona State actually wins the national championship the next year.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh in their three-year run year here, they had won in 2005, 2006, they lost four games in 2006, 2007.
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  SPEAKER_02: The year this game happened, they only lost one game, which was the championship game.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the next season, they only win, they only lose one game and win the national championship.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, like this is just like a bump in the road for Winona State.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're this great Division II college team, but man, did Barton, you talk about one shining moment, Barton College.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think that's Barton College's only national championship to this day.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're a very small school.
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  SPEAKER_02: It'd be like, I'm trying, I I don't even know what it'd be like Washington and Jefferson, but Washington and Jefferson's like like I'm trying to think of like a very small private school in the area that that would win something.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just wild.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Anthony Atkinson ends up playing 12 years with the Harlem Globetrotters.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um and he's coaching a high school, he's coaching high school basketball with North Carolina.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Steve, I had never seen that that um clip before.
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  SPEAKER_04: And the thing that struck me the most about that was what you said about Atkinson just having that calm and the presence to do a layup there because time was taken down.
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  SPEAKER_04: I mean he he just surmised that he had enough time to do that, and he did.
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  SPEAKER_04: He like gets the he gets that layup in right at right before the buzzer.
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  SPEAKER_04: But if it were me, I would have been like panicked.
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  SPEAKER_04: Like, I can't, I don't have time to just drive into an easy layup.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_04: I better just like shoot it from back here, or else I might run out of time, and then he might have blown it.
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  SPEAKER_04: So just have the presence and the calm to be able to do that.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, what yeah, what a cool moment.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I didn't realize all the context, like you said, about Winona being this dynasty that Barton just just kind of like shocked.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_04: That's pretty cool.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's I've never seen a sporting event quite like it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if I'll ever see one quite since.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's just it's kind of one of those under-the-radar things, not a lot of people know about it because it's division two.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was just I was what literally watching it like I turned, I flipped it on on a random Saturday.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was at home.
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  SPEAKER_02: I remember watching this and I looked around and there was no one to talk about.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_02: I went outside.
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  SPEAKER_02: My wife was like, What's why are you like going nuts?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I guess I'll just go back in and enjoy it by myself.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's cool.
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  SPEAKER_04: Thanks, thanks for sharing that one because I was not aware of that story, and that is a really cool moment, like you said.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_04: So, so my first one is game six of the 2010 Stanley Cup finals between the Blackhawks and the Flyers.
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  SPEAKER_04: The Flyers had been eliminated by the Penguins the previous two years, and in 2010, they almost don't even make the playoffs.
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  SPEAKER_04: They actually have to win a shootout in the final game of the regular season just to qualify for the playoffs.
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  SPEAKER_04: Then they come back from three games to zero against Boston to win that series.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's one of the like very small handful of times that's ever happened in any sport where a team came back from three games down in a seven-game series.
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  SPEAKER_04: So it's like this really magical run to the Stanley Cup finals, but it's the Flyers.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like Darth Vader, like, you know, having good luck or something.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_04: So in game six, we're literally two wins, two Philly wins away from the names Scott Hartnell and Daniel Carcello defacing the Stanley Cup forever.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_04: Game six is in Philly.
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  SPEAKER_04: It goes into overtime.
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  SPEAKER_04: So if Chicago scores, they win the cup, but if Philadelphia scores, they force a game seven, and here's what happens.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my, it rattled around and it kicked on back and it scored.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: We saw no light, we saw no signal, and we're not sure if they've set a signal of a goal yet, but they are celebrating at the other end of the ice.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: What chaos.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so what happens there is Patrick Kane scores the Stanley Cup winning goal for the Blackhawks, but nobody realizes that he scored except Patrick Kane.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it kind of like slips between the goalies like pads or something, like on the post, doesn't it?
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, and the red light doesn't come on.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_04: That's you know, that's what in hockey, that's what signifies the goal is the red light comes on, there's no red light.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_04: And so I I just I love the fact that that the Flyers not only lost the Stanley Cup, and they not only lost the Stanley Cup on a dramatic overtime goal, but their players and fans didn't even realize it for like two whole minutes to twist the knife a little deeper.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: And it is the weirdest ending to a Stanley Cup final, I think, ever.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Besides like the Buffalo, what was it Buffalo Dallas one where oh his skate was over the line or decreased.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_04: But that was but that one was called a goal, and then it was like then people argued and debated whether or not it was a goal.
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  SPEAKER_04: This one, like no one even knew it was a goal.
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  SPEAKER_04: So it yeah, that was great.
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  SPEAKER_04: I I loved that moment.
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  SPEAKER_04: I was I was so happy.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_04: I was watching that one and I was just jumping up and down.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_04: I was so scared that the Flyers are gonna win a cup.
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  SPEAKER_04: Because they were like I said, they had that like miracle run.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_04: And I know a lot of people in Pittsburgh were rooting against the Blackhawks because people didn't like Marion Hosa, which I always thought was silly.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but you know, Philly winning winning would have been much, much worse.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they have won the cup twice, Tim.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, but that that's before like anybody, any of us.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_04: There's born before me and you were born, so it doesn't count.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_04: Doesn't count.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh all right, moving on.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um do you remember where you were once again, 2007.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: What a year, huh, Tim?
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um 2007.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember where you were in like September of 2007?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_04: Uh probably.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: I remember this game.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I didn't get to see the end of it until later, but I remember App State in Michigan in 2007.
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  SPEAKER_02: And just a little background, this is actually a fun fact.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, this is the first game on the Big Ten Network.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow, I didn't know that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I bet they enjoyed it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um because I started watching, I was like, oh, what's this Big Ten Network?
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I started watching this game, and then I had there was a pit game, and I had to I I left at like halftime.
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  SPEAKER_02: I didn't get to see the end of this game, unfortunately.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the background is Michigan is ranked number five in preseason rankings, which are not worth much.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and they're actually Michigan is really like if you watch the hype videos, they're looking to beat Ohio State that year.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then they're finally going to contend for a national championship.
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  SPEAKER_02: They have like Mike Hart at running back.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um I think they have Chad Henney at quarterback, and Mario Manningham is one of the wide receivers.
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, so Appalachian State is a F at this point in their you know history, they are an FCS level, which is the old Division I double A.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this is that typical first game of the season.
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  SPEAKER_02: You get a cream puff, you pay them a bunch of money, and you win by 50 points and you go on your way, right?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to know how much Appalachian State got paid to play Michigan?
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_04: I'd love to know that.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: $400,000.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_04: Nice.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_04: That's money well spent, Michigan.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: And um, yeah, the game, not really even back and forth.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like Appalachian State kind of dominates from the beginning.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like they Michigan really in the first half, like, really struggles stopping the spread offense.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: That was kind of the story, ended up being the story of Michigan's defense that year, that they really weren't all that cleared against spread offenses.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_02: And they they score like, I remember like 27 or 28 points by halftime or 24 points.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then then they score, I think they score another touchdown late.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: And Michigan, to their credit, um Chad Henney to Mario Manningham for like 60 yards, and there's like five, six seconds left, and Michigan's inside the 30.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: So it's a really makeable field goal.
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  SPEAKER_02: So all that Michigan has to do is kick a field goal, and this is just one of those, well, they almost won kind of game.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: So let's play, let's see what happens next, Tim.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_09: Out of the hold and Miskal.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_09: Good snap.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_09: Good hold.
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  SPEAKER_09: And the kick is blocked.
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  SPEAKER_09: And Palachin State has stunned the college football world.
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  SPEAKER_09: One of the greatest upsets in sports history.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so uh Corey Lynch, the safety for Appalachian State, blocks the kick and actually picks it up and tries to return it for a touchdown, but then gets tackled by the kicker like 60 yards down the field.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: But it didn't matter because the clock had run out.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_02: The aftermath of this game, um, Michigan actually goes on to have an 8-4 record.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, hey, do you know who they played in the bowl game, Tim?
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_04: Penn State?
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: No, even even better.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_02: They play Florida and not just any Florida team, a Tim Tebow-led Florida team.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's no way.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: SEC, Tim, SEC! SEC! They are going to blow this crappy Michigan team out of the water.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what the final score of that game was?
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm guessing Michigan won.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: 41 to 35, Tim.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_02: Wow the SEC! SEC! Come on, they're better than these guys.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Lloyd Carr retires from Michigan after the season because of that loss to the state and having an 8-4 season and not beating Ohio State and all the stuff to get you fired at Michigan.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, App State for their part.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know who they beat in their national?
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  SPEAKER_02: They actually go to the national championship game.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know who they win for their three-peat?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: Who they beat?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_04: Was it was it UD?
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: It was Mr.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_02: Joe Flacco.
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  SPEAKER_02: The first round draft pick.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they they win 49 to 21, get their three-peat.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I'm going to, I always like one of my pet peeves is SEC logic in college football.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's not as much a factor anymore, although I did hear some of it the other day.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so by SEC logic, Tim Tebow in Florida weren't even good enough to win an FBS championship since they lost to Michigan.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_04: Nice, nice.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: Live with that, Timmy.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_04: That that I the announcer at the end of that clip that that you had there says, you know, one of the biggest upsets in the history of sports, which which kind of sounds like hyperbole, but it really wasn't because like you said, that the that every year and that was at the big house in Michigan.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, this is this isn't, you know, this wasn't like a crappy Michigan.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_02: That was a good Michigan game.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_04: And this wasn't like Pitt losing to Youngstown state, you know, because like even Youngstown, like even like Pitt losing to like a max school, it's like at least they're a max school.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_04: This is literally like you said, a division lower.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_04: This is just a tune-up game, a warm-up game.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_04: That's why they literally pay, like you said,$400,000 to just come so we can get some practice in, uh, beating up this this poor little school Appalachian State.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_04: And for them to go up to Michigan and win, you know, 20 years later, that's still remembered as just this amazing upset.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: It is funny, they did play each other again in 2010 and uh Michigan won 52 to 14.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: That was under Harbaugh, I think.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't think Harbaugh was gonna put up with that crap.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and I'm I'm sure whatever um uh taking them lightly, they they would have done in 2007, they weren't gonna do that the second time.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for their credit, App State's actually an FBS school in the Sunbelt now.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: So they're kind of like one of those weird FBS schools where they're like, you know, Arkansas State and all those weird little like Sunbelt schools that are kinda okay.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: You're not sure why they exist in the FBS division, but they're there.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I honestly think those schools should not be in the same division as like Michigan and Alabama, like on a regular basis.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: They should have their own division because it they're like the I I don't know.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_04: I guess Super League.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_04: I'm I I'm I'm a huge proponent of the Super League concept.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_04: Just make a super league and then have another league for all those other schools, yeah, and another you know, playoff and tournament for those other schools, it just makes more sense.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_04: But college football isn't supposed to make sense, Steve.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_04: That's one thing I've learned over the years.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: SEC logic, Tim.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's why they have 10 teams ranked at times.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's like this is stupid.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: They're not really, yeah.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_04: So so my next one is Super Bowl 23 between the 49ers and Bengals.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_04: I think a lot of people probably remember this one too.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Joe Montana gets the ball at his own eight-yard line in the final minutes of the game with San Francisco down 16 to 13.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_04: And when they get the ball back, the Niners players are really tense.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_04: It's the final moments of the Super Bowl.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_04: San Francisco has to go 92 yards if they want to win.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_04: But you know who isn't nervous, Steve?
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_05: Joe Cool.
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  unknown: Yep.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_04: He is Joe.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_05: Joe Cool.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he's in the huddle and he sees that comedian John Candy is at the game and points that out to his teammates.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_04: So like literally the entire season, and the Super Bowl is on the line, and everybody's like, okay, we gotta score here.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_04: We gotta score here.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_04: And Joe Montana's like, hey guys, look, it's John Candy.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_04: And I I love that.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: I love his movies.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, it just and that's the way Joe Montana was.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_04: There, there's a famous um picture that that Sports Illustrated did before it was it was the Super Bowl the year after against Denver, where he's in the locker room before the game, just sitting on the floor, kind of with his eyes closed, just super relaxed.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_04: And that's yeah, he was he was truly Joe Cole.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_04: Montana then proceeds to methodically drive the Niners down the field, culminating in this play.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_10: Weiss has just had a Super Bowl record with 12 catches.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_10: He's in motion.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_10: Montana!
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_08: touchdown, John Taylor.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think that Super Bowl's a little bit forgotten as it's aged?
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_04: Probably a little bit.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: Because of like the Santonio Holmes catch and the helmet catch and all the other stuff that's happened.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, probably a little bit.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like that weird ending with New England and Seattle where the receiver like kicked the ball in the air and then caught it or whatever.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: And then they end up throwing an interception, Russell Wilson.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_04: There's been you're right.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_04: There's been a lot of things that have happened since then.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: And that's such like an average play.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's just not a it's it's a good play, but it's just like there's not like you don't feel like, oh my god, that was a spectacular catch.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: It was just so like great.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like they executed it so flawlessly, it feels effortless.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know it isn't.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know that's not easy to do, but that's that's what the great ones do.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: They make the really difficult stuff and it look easy.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_04: Well, well, I'd say even in the career of Joe Montana and and in that 49ers dynasty, probably the Dwight Clark catch is more remembered than this because you said that was much more of like a athletic, you know, through it high, it was third down, it was like the game, you know.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_04: But and this was just kind of like ho-hum Montana executing on all cylinders.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: Suck it, Dick LeBeau and Sam White.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: It was the Taylor, too.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't even Jerry Rice, it was the other guy.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: It was a good rap receiver.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_04: He's not gonna be in the Hall of Fame, but well, there are three reasons why I love this play.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_04: So one is I was a big Joe Montana fan as a kid.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_04: That I I just he was a local guy.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_04: I love Joe Montana.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_04: The second reason I loved this was because back then Super Bowls were never close.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they were always blowouts.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: As the next year when they won like what, 55 to 10 or whatever.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_04: And that's that's that was the norm.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_04: You never had last second drama in a Super Bowl.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_04: It was always the that super one-sided game.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_04: Not like well, I was gonna say not like today, but honestly, the last couple of years, it's kind of returned to that format.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_04: And then the third reason I loved that moment was because I hated the Bengals.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: But they had did they have Icky Woods this year?
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't think so.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, no, they did.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_04: And that's another reason.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_04: So they were in the Steelers division, they were a rival, I didn't like them, but they had Icky Woods, they had Boomer Syason, and there were kids in my school because the Steelers absolutely stunk that year, 1988.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_04: There were kids in my school starting to cheer for Cincinnati because Boomer Syason and the Icky Shuffle, like that was all cool.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_04: And so it just made me want to want the Bengals to lose even more.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_04: So that was really satisfying watching Montana beat them.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_04: Here's here's something else, Steve.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_04: I I so I watched this drive and I watched that play, and then I I watched the right because that happened with like 39 seconds left.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_04: And so I I wanted to see what happened after that.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_04: Because 39 seconds is a lot of time.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_04: Heck, Patrick Mahomes at one year had 13 seconds and they played the game.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and it's really interesting if you watch the footage of that 39 seconds, and the Bengals needed a touchdown, but if you watch the footage of that, the 49ers players are all on the sidelines like like shaking hands, like high fiving each other, like the game's over in their minds.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_04: And I just feel like that wouldn't happen today.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like today.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: 39 seconds is an eternity.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_04: And I think back in 1988, it's like, well, if you scored with 39 seconds left, that was the ball game.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_04: So it's just interesting.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_04: If you go back and watch that, watch the the in-between plays they just keep showing guys on the sidelines.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's it's it's it's it's is if they're up by 20.
• 22:16
  unknown: Yeah.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_04: I just thought that was interesting.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you ever watch like the Dwight Clark game?
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like there's a tackle, like they talk about.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like there was a guy for the Cowboys that was running loose, and one of the the uh defensive backs for the 49ers just like horse collared them.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: And they they they said that could have gone for a touchdown.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, yeah, that's that's very true.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_04: Another thing people don't remember.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_04: I I'm always fascinated by it by that.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_04: Like, remember in our Immaculate Reception episode, we talked about that too.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_04: Like that play happened with five seconds left, so there were like three plays that happened after that.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_04: So um it's not like it's not like some of these moments happen with zeros on the clock.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_04: So it's uh I don't know.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_04: That always fascinates me.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what happened after the fact?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so uh, do you remember the Olympics, Tim?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: What were you doing in the winter of 1998?
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_04: I was watching it.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_04: So I I love the Winter Olympics.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_04: I I love the Olympics, but I probably love the Winter Olympics more than this the Summer Olympics.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: But see, now that's a rare opinion.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: Most people like the Summer Olympics more than the Winter Olympics, actually.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_04: They do, but I I don't know, and I don't know why that is.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_04: I can't give you a lot of things.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: Track and field, maybe people like the track and field events.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, and I mean the the summer games have been around longer.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_04: They're more they're they're bigger.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's like more a country, any country can get into the summer.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like like you know, obviously, like Jamaica's had a bobsled team, but it's not like you know any other South American teams are gonna have a bobsled team.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_04: Right, that's that's true.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_04: It it truly is like the whole world.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_04: So, but I but I just it's just a personal, like I have no good like argument.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_04: I just personally enjoy the winter games more.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: Fair enough.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so in 1998, uh they were in Nogano, Japan.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and uh the Czech Republic uh ends up winning gold, and you say, so what?
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: Who cares, right?
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, here's some background.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so this is the first year that professional players were allowed at the Olympics, and I'll put professional players in quotes because the Russians had obviously been using their professionals or their best players since like what the 60s?
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: So so that that kind of been a thing, but um now everybody's allowed to use their professionals, that includes the United States.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: I can't remember.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: Was Mike Richter the goalie, I think, for the United States?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_04: I believe he was, yeah.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: So so Canada is the heavy favorite, followed by Russia and the US to all win gold.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody figures it's gonna be Canada, US, and then throw in Russia because Russia's pretty good too.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: So there's this rivalry between the Czech Republic and Russia off the ice.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: If uh of course Tim totally remembers this, he was right there now.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um in 1968, which is obviously before we were born, there was an uprising in I guess it was Czechoslovakia back then.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_02: And um there was a puppet government.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if everybody remembers.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: If you're old enough, you remember the old Eastern Bloc countries, like they were independent, but they really weren't, they were really controlled and funded by the old Soviet Union.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: And so they had this uprising, this popular uprising, and they were gonna kick out the communist regime, and then Russia rolled a bunch of tanks in in 1968, and that was kind of the end of that until 1989.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: And uh uh there's a lot of animosity due to that and a lot of you know just stuff.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: So finally, in 1998, the Czech Republic has probably the best player in the world at that time.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: Am I exaggerating, Tim?
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: Probably not.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, you're not.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's a guy named Yarmir Jagger, and he wears 68.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know why he wears the number 68?
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's because his grandfather was jailed by the Russians that year after the spring uprising.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: His grandfather actually died in jail.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the penguins in 1998, um, they have a lot of Czech players.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: They they were kind of like them and the Red Wings were kind of like one of the first teams to really go heavy into the European players.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they have Ivan Halenka, who ends up being the head coach for the Penguins in 2000, 2001.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: He he actually is coaching the Czech national team at that point.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Jamar Jager is a forward, obviously, for them.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Yuri Slager, remember Yuri Slager?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was okay.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: He wasn't terrible.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: He was like a mediocre defenseman.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: And then a pretty good Martin Strako was pretty good.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: So the games, what happened to the games?
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um the Czech Republic is in a because they did like they did like a round robin play to start with, and they actually they actually lose to the Russians two to one in the round robin play, but they still get into the playoffs, I guess, the tournament, the final tournament, and they have to play the US in a quarter final game.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: And uh they actually beat the US four to one.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: And do you remember what the US did that was so fun and controversial after their loss?
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_04: Didn't they trash their hotel room?
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they did.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: What a joke.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: That that team was terrible.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_04: That US team was just what a the well, that was like Jeremy Ronick, Brad Hall.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_04: It wasn't like the best group of guys, like personality-wise.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: So then in the semifinal game, which will be the game before the gold medal game, they have to play Canada.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: And Canada's stacked.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_02: Canada has Patrick Waugh in goal, they have uh Lindros.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: They they I don't know, was Gretzky on Gretzky was probably on that team.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, 98, probably.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm sure he was.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't think Lemieux was.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think Lemieux was still retired at that time.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_04: He had retired, but I mean Canada is the country that invented the sport, so everybody just assumed once you added the professional players, they're just gonna walk away with it.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so uh Hosick has this memorable save on Lindra.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: The game goes zero-zero because you have two Hall of Fame goaltenders in it.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it goes into the shootout, and um Dominic Hosik makes this amazing save on Eric Lindros, like where he rolls on his back and squats the glove.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: I think we have that.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_06: Eric Lindrosik is gonna beat.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_06: be Now watch Hashik go down and roll on his back, and then take his left hand across.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_09: Oh gosh, do you believe that?
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_06: one of the most fun as he had a slinky for a spine.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: He just like he like takes his glove, like he the whole net, it was going in the net, Tim.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's like it was just like basically the Czech Republic is too like really riding Dominic Klasik.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: And like I said, in hockey, if you have a hot goaltender, boy, you can really go plays.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: And they got Yager.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yagger's really good too, but they got two of the best players in the world, and they're kind of riding their coattails all the way.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: So they they defeat Canada in the shootout.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was five to three, or I don't know.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they so they go and play their arch enemy, the nemesis of all nemesis, the Russians in the gold medal game.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: And the Russians are in Olympic hockey, the Russians are legendary.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_02: They haven't been good recently, they haven't been allowed in the Olympics because of the stupid Ukraine thing.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: I miss the Russians.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: Do you miss the Russians?
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: Because they're really good at hockey.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: I really wish I really wish they would they could be there because they're they're such they're such a good team, and they're it's hockey's more fun when they're there.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_04: It it it's also like every movie needs a villain.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_04: And they're the villain, right?
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_04: Like they're always gonna be able to get the biggest.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_04: But they're good.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_04: But they're they're not sure.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: They're really good.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: They're not good, they don't goon it up or anything.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: They're and they always have like it's the goal.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: They always have a pretty good goaltender.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: They got Malkin, they got Avechkin, they got man, they got a stacked lineup.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: Now back then, who was I'm trying to think it was on the Russian team, but it was it was weird, you know.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_04: It was definitely weird this most recent Olympics not seeing their drugged up figure skaters and not seeing the hockey team.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_04: It was it was definitely odd.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, you kind of want them back just for the just for the it's just fun to root against them.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: So they actually beat, uh they actually win in regular time, uh, Russia in the gold medal game.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: They win one to nothing, Hosnik with another dominant performance, and Peter Soboda with the gold medal goal.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: I think we have that.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: Soboda!
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_08: Go! Je to tam! Je to tam! Tak přece jen existuje spravedlnost!
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_04: That's cool just seeing how much it meant to those people, right?
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know that that area, like in the video, you'll see there's a little courtyard where they're celebrating.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's the area where they protested in 1961 against the cockpit.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, that really means a lot.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_02: And like Dominic Hossig is a freaking legend.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I was watching like a um I was uh like a documentary biography on Hossick, and they actually had it live, and he was going back.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: They can't walk down the street in Prague.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it's it's just an amazing um Russia elects Vladimir Putin and um well that's the rest of the history for those guys.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh um, Canada loses to Finland in the bronze medal game and finishes off the podium with no medals, much like so the US and Canada finished out of the medals.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: So you're your medalists were gold, Czech, uh what is it, silver, Russia, and bronze Finland.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: That's odd.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: That that's an odd, yeah.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_04: It was surprising.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and and when it when they had professional players, everybody thought, because that was about what six, six, seven years after that the that the basketball had started doing the professional players.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_04: And so when basketball did it, it's like, okay, well, the USA is gonna walk away with the gold medal, and they did.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_04: And and obviously in hockey it was gonna be a little more balanced, like you said, you had like the heavy favorites, but for that first year for it to be that you know, Russia wasn't surprising, but for for the Czech Rep Republic to win gold and then for Finland to win bronze, I don't think anybody saw that coming.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe the Finns.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe, maybe, yeah, gold moment for sure.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, so so my next moment, Steve, we all love a last second miracle moment like the like the Barton Winona State game that you had earlier, or we all love a great back and forth battle like Super Bowl 23.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_04: But you know what else is really fun to watch every once in a while?
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_04: Just complete and total dominance.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_04: And I wanted to pick something from that category.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_04: I almost went with Secretariat crushing everybody by 31 links at the 1973 Belmont Stakes to win the triple crown.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's never been done since.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: You just can't put a horse on the list, can you?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it it it I mean, if if you watch that race, it is jaw-dropping to see how like far ahead of everyone.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's just never if you've ever watched the dirt, like any of the triple crown races, it's just like maybe somebody wins by two or three lengths, but you never see that.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_04: You never see that.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_04: So I almost put that on there, but but the reason I I wanted to go broader, so I I picked the moment from the Olympics because you know, so so Secretariat beat the best horses in America.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_04: The Olympics, you're competing against everybody's best best athlete from the entire world.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_04: You know, and and especially like you said, Steve earlier, the summer, the summer Olympics because it's so much broader and so many more countries.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_04: And so you figure, like like for swimming, for example, you have you know the best swimmers in the country are all competing.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_04: There's a bunch of tournaments and and heats to choose who's gonna represent the country to begin with in the Olympics.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_04: Now you're competing against everybody else's best athletes.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_04: So um, I'm gonna go with Katie Ledecki.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_04: She's the most decorated American woman in Olympic history, not just swimmer.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_04: You could make the case that she's the greatest swimmer of all time.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_04: In 2016, she had already won two gold medals and she's competing in the 800-meter freestyle.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_04: That's the really long one.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_04: Well, actually, the 1500 meter is now the really long one, but that was not an Olympic event back in 2016, so 800 was the really long one.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_04: And she dominates that race from start to finish.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_04: I have a clip here, and Steve, and folks, you can't see this, but Steve, you can see in this clip, she's literally swimming the opposite direction of everybody else.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_04: That's how far ahead she is.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: And the world record, Katie Ledecki is racing against herself.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: That world record line she owns.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: And she did come home very well when she said it, but I think she may have it marked.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_06: Katie Ledecki of the USA runs supreme yet again.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_04: There's like not even anyone else on the screen.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and like even they have like the little wide, like, you know how you like the first down line.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, in the Olympics, they have like the world record line.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: And she's like, I don't know, her feet are beyond the world, like like all your hand just has to be beyond that.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: And like, was that that was in Australia, obviously.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: That Sydney games.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: Wasn't that that was that crazy pool they made that like No, that was that was Rio.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that was Rio, okay.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: Because I know that like the one in Sydney, they were like, oh my god, that was everybody set world records because they made this crazy pool where everybody was like going really fast.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_04: Well, she didn't have that advantage.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_04: She just, like I said, she just crushed everybody.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_04: And I remember watching that and just being in awe.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_04: Um just just how far ahead she was of everybody.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_04: So I I like that moment.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: There literally is.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like, she's like, that's another like in swimming, you just don't see like a whole lane ahead of everybody.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_02: She could have like she could have like stopped and treaded water for a while.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like, okay.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_04: She seriously could have.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_04: She could have like taken a break, like waved to like some of her friends in the crowd, and then like started swimming again.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, all right.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh going with the on the hate watch theme, since we've had such a positive except for the the flyers.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_02: Here, here's here's some uh here's some hate for you.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: How about anything involving the new involving the New England Patriots?
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: Does that make the make a good case for hate?
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_04: I I am sure so I I've said it on the show before.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_04: I never really hated the Patriots, but I know everybody in Pittsburgh does, so this will be a popular pick on your part.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so I have the Eli.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: I kind of combined them into one here.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_02: We have the Eli versus Brady Super Bowls.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: So um let's start with Super Bowl 42.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Patriots were 18-0 going into the game, and they are trying to complete an undefeated season, which would have been the first undefeated season since the 1972 Dolphins.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: I guess you could technically say they did complete an undefeated regular season.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: So they tied the Dolphins in that regard.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because I don't think anybody's ever done that, right?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_04: Correct.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_04: And that was a 16-game season instead of a 14-game season.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so for the Giants, uh, they make the playoffs as a fifth seed.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: And um, the Patriots and the Giants had met in the last game of the regular season.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember that was somewhat controversial.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: People are like, oh, to the Giants, you know, whether you win or lose, you're gonna be a fifth seed, just rust all your players, play your backups.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: And um to Tom Coffin decided, I'm gonna play my regular players.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna let the Patriots get a uh easy win in the record.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_02: And um, they played their the regulars, and um the Patriots actually win that game with a late game comeback 38 to 35.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe the gods of football smiled on the Giants because of that.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, John Madden, there's a um Tom Coughlin saved the voicemail because John Madden actually called him and left his voicemail just telling him how how much he admired the fact that he decided to actually try to win that game.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there really was beside I mean, and I guess it like to the to even the Patriots' credit, it made them earn it.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like, because then you could have had the whole discussion, well, the Patriots really didn't earn it, no, no, no, no, you know.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: So they really did earn their undefeated regular season.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_02: They nobody laid down for them.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, what was the game?
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so now we're heading to the Super Bowl.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the Giants and the Patriots have both made the Super Bowl.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I remember the Giants had to beat the Cowboys, and like they they ended up switching to like the video in the middle of a Knicks game, and like I think it was uh oh, who's the guy who yells and screams?
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh who's the announcer?
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_04: Announcer?
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_04: Gus Johnson?
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: Gus, yeah, Gus Johnson ended up calling like it during a Knicks game, calling the end of the uh Giants Cowboys, which was hilarious.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: He called like an interception or something at the end of the game.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_07: Nice.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um so uh in this Super Bowl, the undefeated Patriots look to beat the Giants for the second time in the season, which it's always a little tougher to beat a team twice in one year, but it can be done.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's not impossible.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: And the Giants defense dominated the game early.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: And like the Patriots that year, that was the year they were blowing everybody out, right?
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_04: They were so good that I mean it was they weren't just 16-0, they were a dominant 16-0.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it wasn't like a bunch of lucky wins.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: It was it was like they're winning by like two or three touchdowns.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_02: It was like college, had like a college feel to it.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: Was that the year Brady had over 50 touchdowns past?
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_04: It was, and yeah, and Randy Moss had like 35 of those.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: He broke, yeah, he broke Jerry Rice's single season record.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was it was one of the I mean, this could have been one of the greatest football teams of all time that the Giants are going up against.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_04: That's a fair point.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I I think that's a that's literally was one of the at that point.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_04: The beginning of that Super Bowl was one of the greatest teams of all time, if not the greatest.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_02: So the Giants defense, to their credit, kind of dominates the game early.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: Eli Manning doesn't do much, but then late in the game, um, to take the lead with two minutes and 40 seconds left, Tom Brady hits a pass to Randy Moss for a late go-ahead touchdown.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember sitting, because I watched this game over your house.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_02: Do where you you were there, right?
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: And do you remember?
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_02: I remember somebody in like the crowd was like, Well, who thinks Eli Manning can because I remember everybody was bumming, like, oh, this game's over, the the Patriots just gonna lock down.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember somebody asking, Well, who thinks Eli can lead a comeback?
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember I was one of the like two or three people that thought it could happen.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't, I'll be honest.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: I believed in you, Eli.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: I believed in you, buddy.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: That derpy redneck.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: I I I just love that kid.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: I love that kid.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_02: And this next clip is why.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_07: Pressure from Thomas off the edge.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_07: Eli Manning stays on his feet.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_07: Airs it out down the field.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_07: It is caught by Tyree.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_07: Oh my God.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_07: This ball's thrown, and Tyree just goes up for it like a basketball player.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_07: Harrison trying to knock it down.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_07: Pressing it against his helmet as he goes to the ground.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_07: And not dropping it is David Tyree.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: So David Tyree was uh a wide receiver that was from the University of Syracuse, and me and Tim only remember him because he caught a pass from Troy Noons in overtime to beat Pitt one time.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, triple overtime.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_04: Another miracle play, but no one will ever remember that one.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: But there is a lot going on in this play, Tim.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: Where should I start?
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: So it was third down, wasn't it?
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, and it was third and long, it was like third and ten.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: It like it like the play totally goes sideways from the beginning.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like the Patriots are about to sack Eli Manning.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember Mike Carey, I read an interview with Mike Carey in what is it?
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, it was third and five.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, my bad.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_02: But he's like, he Mike Carey said, I was ready to blow the whistle, but I just waited another split second to see what would happen, and that's when Eli breaks free because, like, literally they have him by the shirt.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: And he kind of breaks free and then runs around and then just launches this absolute desperation eve.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_02: Entiree goes and catches it.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_02: And guess who made a little bit of history on this play?
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm so glad he was there.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: Favorite player.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so glad he was there to make history.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, you're a part of history, buddy.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: Congratulations, you're a legend.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: You're a legend as you watched your undefeated season disappear into the hands of David freaking Tyree Rodney Harrison.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you're such a great player, you couldn't stop a third.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: String wide receiver.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: But there, that's the end of my trash talk on Rodney Harrison.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: But I just remember that was unbelievable.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody ever remembers that like a couple plays later he threw a pass to Plexico Burris to take the lead.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: And then I think at the end of the game, like Tom Brady threw like a couple long passes that didn't go anywhere because they were down to they were down to 20 or 30 seconds.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: The game was over to him.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_04: That that that yeah, that play will live forever.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's unbelievable.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_04: He he like ran backwards.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_04: He he's he's about 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage when he throws that pass because he got spun around.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_04: He had to run the opposite way.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_04: And like you said, he just turned around and just heaved a prayer.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_04: And for that to be caught with one hand pressing it against the city.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_04: On the helmet.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's just amazing and David Tyree, you know, I I would have to look up his stats, but he probably has like, you know, 14 career catches or something.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like that was that's that's one of them.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_04: But he'll but he'll live forever too.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_04: Like there'll be a statue of that in New York because that play was was just unbelievable.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_04: And and it wasn't just to win a Super Bowl, like you said, it was to beat to upset one of the greatest games of all time.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_04: And that was such a table-turning thing because Belichick had done that before.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_04: He had like he beat the 1990 Bills because this great offense, and he came in with this great defense.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_04: He beat the the 2001 Rams, this great offense because he had the great defense, and it was just so fitting to see the tables turn on him by Coughlin.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_02: I think that was Spagnola was the defensive coordinator, who he's won a couple Super Bowls with the Chiefs.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_02: Not a very good head coach, but a really good defensive coordinator.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so the aftermath.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, actually at that time, Tom Coughlin was one of the whole oldest coaches to win a Super Bowl.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it makes Eli and Peyton Manning, they both become Super Bowl champs.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_02: They're not like the first brothers to do it, but maybe the first brother quarterbacks.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Eli is MVP um and the uh Patriots.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's the end of the Patriots.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_02: I wish.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_02: I wish that would have been the end of the Patriots.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_04: At one point we thought it was.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, well, I I think I sum up like what happened.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: They they go back to the Super Bowl many times, Tim.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um but moving on to Super Bowl 46, and this is in 2012, and uh it's a rematch of Super Bowl 42, Tim.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think this Patriots team was quite as good as that other Patriots team.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: The Patriots were 13-3, and the Giants were 9-7.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's Tom Brady and the Patriots versus Eli Manning and the Giants.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, no way, Eli cannot beat Tom Brady twice, right?
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: And actually, fun fact, it's the reverse of what happened before.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: The Giants had actually beat the Patriots in New England 24-20.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe the Giants just have the Patriots number.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't know.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_02: So uh the once again, the Patriots had the lead late in the game.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's three minutes and 40 seconds left, and uh, we'll show this nice catch by Mario Manningham, who made another nice catch earlier in this list that one kind of went for naught.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: One man rush run.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: Eli throwing into traffic on the sideline they're gonna rule a catch by Manningham Along the sideline, they're gonna pop the ball off the 50-yard line.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it was a big pickup on I don't know if that was first or second down, but he threw a perfect pass in the double coverage.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like, actually, that was a really, really good pass.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: What was it, first and ten.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_02: But he like throws this perfect pass down the sideline against like it was looked like cover two, because there was a safety and a corner.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_02: And Manningham just makes a tremendous catch and a tremendous throw.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's a really good play by Eli Manning and clutch in the Super Bowl.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it's kind of funny because they drive down the field.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_02: And do you remember?
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_02: I remember this play distinctly.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_02: I remember they run the ball with Ahmad Bradshaw, who gets into the middle and he like it's he like has like 10 yards to go, and like at the one yard line, he realizes wait a minute, they're letting me score.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, he's like caught in a conundrum.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, Well, do I score or do I like kneel down and just run out the clock?
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: And he doesn't like do it in time, so he kind of falls into the end zone and scores.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_02: It was the that has to be the weirdest touchdown in Super Bowl history.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the weirdest like game-winning last-minute touchdown in Super Bowl history.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_02: Because he's just like, What do I do?
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: Do I think about do I not?
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_02: So, and that was kind of now.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_02: This now this definitely had some Hail Marys here in it.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Brady does get a chance.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_02: They drive the ball to, I think, like midfield, and he throws a pass that um, I think he actually completed a pass to the late Aaron Hernandez on that three-play drive.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_02: And he throws a ball up in the end zone and it bounces off like five Giants.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_02: And like I remember that that came really like Gronk always said, Oh, I was really close to catching it, but he was still a couple yards away.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: He dove for it, but I never thought he was all that close to catching that.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_04: You you said that the Patriots weren't as good in in 2011 as they were in 2007, which is true.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_04: I think also that was the year, you know, again, I I don't hate, I'm not one of like I don't fit in with the rest of the Pittsburgh fans that just despise the Patriots.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_04: But one thing I will say is it got a little sickening over the years watching other teams just completely collapse against them.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, there there's so many instances of teams being like, oh, it's the Patriots, we better just do something crazy and dumb and and fall apart because we can't possibly play against the Almighty Patriots.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_04: And in the AFC Championship game that year, that was whenever um the the Baltimore receiver dropped a pass in the end zone.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_04: And then their kicker missed like the absolute chip shot of chip shots.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_04: And and so that's how the Patriots were even in the Super Bowl to begin with.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_04: And it was just like I said, it was just so typical.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_04: Like teams just always fell apart.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_04: They just like it was this weird, you know.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um there's a good like you and I like that that urinating three channel on YouTube.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_04: And he he did a video once where he has like the Emperor from Star Wars going, you know, execute order 686 or whatever from the from from the the third movie.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, and then they like they show like, you know, uh how uh you know, I don't know, the the Seahawks are about to beat them in the Super Bowl, and then the Emperor's like execute order 686, and then they throw the intersect in the end zone.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_04: And by the way, I'm sure I got that order number wrong, and all the Star Wars fans were yelling at me, but but but that but that's just what happened.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_04: And so it was kind of nice to see the Patriots get burned by two kind of like not lucky, but like unlikely catch.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_04: Like both of those plays, the the Tyree catch and the Manningham catch, it wasn't like they played bad defense on either of those plays.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, it was just I would say the Manningham is a much better executed football play.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_02: The Tyree is definitely there's skill and there's effort, but there's yeah, there's a little bit of magic in that one.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yes, for sure.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_04: For sure.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the aftermath, Eli gets his second MVP.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_02: I love this kid.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_02: I love this kid.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_02: I love him.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: How can you not love Eli?
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_02: Flipping the double bird, winning Super Bowls, sticking it to the Patriots.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, I don't care.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: He should be in the Hall of Fame just on that, but whatever.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have a vote.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Tom Brady, guess what he does, Tim?
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_02: He wins four more Super Bowls after this.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_02: After this game.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying in total, I'm saying after this game, he wins four more Super Bowls.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like, and like you said, like okay, I'll give him the one there was one the against the Rams.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, fine.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_02: You won that one.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: But like the Seahawks and the freaking Falcons, like just run Marshawn Lynch, just run the ball at all.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like Falcons, you and he has two less Super Bowls.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I'm saying.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_04: That's what that's what I mean.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_04: Like, teams just always and it wasn't just in Super Bowls.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_04: Remember the Chargers in that playoff game in one year ago.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, they had him intercepted.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_02: They had and then the guy ran around with the ball and he fumbled, and then like they get they all get in the fight with uh Ladanian Thomas in its midfield.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_04: The the the the butt fumble happened against the Patriots.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_04: The Colts that time they lined up with like their center and their punter, but nobody else.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_02: Bad McAfee.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_04: It's just like it it just like I said, teams were just like, uh, uh, oh my gosh, it's a Patriots.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_04: What do we do?
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_04: What do we do?
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_04: What do we do?
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_04: And that's how it went for decades, for two decades.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, it was kind of nice to see the Giants do this.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_04: Like I said, I did not hate the Patriots, but it was kind of nice seeing that happen.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_04: And we were we we pulled our f our um listeners on on this topic too, and a lot of people had not only this, but they also had the um Philly special.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, because that was another one that that helped beat the Patriots in a Super Bowl, and that was it.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_04: That was the only time Tom Brady ever lost anything.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: And it took like three, it took two miracle plays, too, which is crazy.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um so uh Tom Brady wins four more Super Bowls.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_02: Eli retires in 2020 and hosts Monday night football with his brother.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Tom Coughlin leaves the Giants in 2016, and um that's about it for the Giants.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_02: They really haven't been much of a force for anything except for getting quarterbacks hurt.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, that's all that's actually true.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_04: Eli, like, if you had to pick like one former or current football player to just hang out with for a night, I'd pick Eli in a heartbeat.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_04: He just seems like he'd be just so much fun to just sit and have a beer with.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he would.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so for my next moment, um, I'm going back to hockey.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_04: Ever since the miracle on ice, which you know I was a little too young to really remember, I've always wanted to see the U.S.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_04: win the gold medal in Olympic hockey.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_04: And I thought for sure that was going to happen at the 2010 Games in Vancouver because the U.S.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_04: had this really good team.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_04: They had a goalie named Ryan Miller who was just on fire.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_04: And as you know, in hockey, if you got like in like what Steve talked about earlier with Hawkshik, you got that on fire goaltender, there's no stopping you.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_04: But stupid Sidney Crosby ruined all that.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_04: Then in 2014, the U.S.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_04: has this great game against Russia that was in Russia, where TJ Oshi kept scoring shootout goals.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_04: You remember that?
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_02: That was Balsma just kept rolling them out there.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, and he just kept scoring.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_04: And you thought, okay, this is their year.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_04: Like, this is like the stuff of legend.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_04: But again, they lost to Canada in the metal round.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_04: That was that was when Balzma used to always lose elimination games one to nothing, and that was a one-to-nothing elimination game.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_04: So finally in 2026, the U.S.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_04: has another chance in the gold medal game in Italy.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_09: This game goes into overtime, and Wash a closet comes.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_09: Jack Hughes wins it! The golden goal for the United States! For the first time since the 1980 miracles, the United States takes the goal! you know who doesn't lose elimination games?
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_02: Sullivan Sullivan, baby.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_02: He is probably the best American coach out there right now, hockey coach.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_02: Olympic hockey, you you gotta love it.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_02: And just like the Canadians just think like it's their birthright to win like the Olympics every year.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_02: So it's always fun to stick it to the Canadians.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then like the best part is that Pucks, I was in the hockey hall of fame, just in it sitting it's like, ah ha ha, you have to sit here and deal with it, look at it in Toronto.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_02: And the women's and the women's ones there too.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_04: So well, yeah, I didn't even put that in here, but the the women's game.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_04: So the women in that same tournament, like the US was good, but but they weren't necessarily the best team.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_04: Like they had to kind of scratch and claw their way through.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_04: And the for the women, the U.S.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_04: were just dominating everybody.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_04: But when they got into the gold medal game, Canada took them all the way to overtime, and then they they win in overtime as well.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_04: So like the US beats Canada in both the women and men, both in overtime.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_04: What what a great moment.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_04: Like you said, just kind of sticking it to Canada.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_02: And remember, there was a lot of background too with this.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_02: Remember, this is like kind of like Trump had gotten elected and like started all the like the tariff stuff.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_02: And remember the um nations with the five nations, the five the four nations.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_02: There was that big fight in Canada.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_02: Uh no, that was in the United States before.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_02: Was that in Canada?
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_02: I but there was a big fight before the like a whole thing.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the Kitchuk brothers.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, yeah, that was yeah.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_04: So there's a lot of like international tension.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I didn't so much care about that.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_04: I just I just I like I said, I've just always wanted to see the US win and gold.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it added to the game for sure.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, it did for sure, 100%.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, what a great moment.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_02: All right, well, moving to a totally American sport, we don't want no foreigners.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_02: Well, actually, there's a lot of foreigners in this game.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um that would be the Spurs versus Lakers in 2003 in the Western Conference semifinals.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Tim's a you know, I I think is this the first time we've ever talked about an NBA game on the podcast, Tim?
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_04: It won't be the last because I have another one on my list later.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, look at us, we're making history.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_02: First time ever.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_02: I know well we talked about that.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_02: Wasn't NBA though, with the uh uh the team from Pittsburgh, the Pipers.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_04: That was uh That was ABA.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so not really NBA, yeah.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_02: So um I I've always been a Spurs fan for I don't know why.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_02: I just like David Robinson.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_02: So um it's 2003 and um the Lakers are trying to forepete.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um they've already won twice in a row.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_02: That's because they have people named Kobe and Shaq.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_02: Like when you have players that you just know them by their first name, you're probably probably gonna have a pretty good team.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_02: They had a they had a lot of good players too.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um so this is the Lakers dynasty that kind of put an asterisk on the bulls.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I always kind of like the Lakers for that.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_02: They also had Phil Jackson as a coach.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_02: So but the Spurs have a pretty good team too.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_02: They have Tony Parker, Tim Duncan, David Robinson, uh Manu Ginobili.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_02: So, like I said, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili aren't American.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um so the Lakers and Spurs play in a conference semifinal.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh LA actually loses the first two in San Antonio, but then they come back and they win the next two at home in the staple center.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then I guess I should have talked more about the Spurs when they win that pivotal of game five, 96 to 94.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_02: But who cares about that when you can sit here and hate watch the Lakers get blown out at home in game six?
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_02: And that's exactly what happens.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the Spurs just totally dominate them in LA, and it's like not even a close game.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_02: And what made this so much fun for me is like if you've ever watched the Lakers game, Tim, you can like you know, this goes back forever and ever.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_02: This goes back to Jerry Bus's.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_02: Jerry Bus always wanted to do this.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_02: They always give like the stars are always sitting like at floor level first row.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_02: So there's like and Jack Nicholson was always there, and I don't know why Jack Nicholson always annoyed me, but he just did.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_02: And like just all the other like stupid LA celebrities that aren't really basketball fans are just there, oh look, I'm here to be seen, man.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's like and it's just so satisfying.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_02: The so the Spurs win 110 to 82, and we have a clip of Derek Fisher crying.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_10: This was a tough place for everybody to go as Deep Smith knocks down a three.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_10: And Derek Fisher, and the rest of the Lakers knows that it's over.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_02: Ha ha, it's over.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't hate Kobe or Shaq.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_02: Just more Phil Jackson.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's more because I never liked the Bulls much.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um so they win the game, the series four to two.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um the aftermath, hey, the Spurs go on to win the championship.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_02: They win the four to two, four games to two over the Nets.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, remember when the Nets used to be in New Jersey?
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_04: I do remember that.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um ironically, um, this is Dave Robinson's last year in the league.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_02: He goes out a winner.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yay.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_02: What happened with the Lakers?
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, much like Tom Brady, they win three more championships.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_02: Two more with Kobe and one with LeBron.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_02: And uh the Spurs, for their part, uh win three more championships.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh 05, 07, and 14.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's the ultimate hate watch game, Tim.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_04: And that like that wasn't supposed to happen back in that era.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_04: Because if you had, like you said, like the like the like the iconic, you know, player and you had Phil Jackson as the coach, yeah, Michael Jordan didn't lose, you know, and Kobe and Shaq weren't supposed to lose.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_04: And and so and so you just figured they were just gonna win another championship.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_04: It was just what you expected.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's tough to three peat.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's very tough to three peat.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_04: It is, but like you said, they were that was w that would have been what four for them at that point.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_04: So like it it's actually, yeah, that would have been the four peat.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, three-peated.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think they're the last team to three-peat, actually.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow, yeah.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, so my next one is also gonna be basketball.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be college basketball.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_04: And and full disclosure, back in the day I was a huge Duke basketball fan, especially those 1990s teams.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_04: I know that's not gonna be a popular opinion.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_04: People hated Duke back then.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_02: You did not hate Christian Leitner.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_04: No, I loved Christian Leitner.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's funny.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, like they say, a misspent youth.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_04: So, so of course, I'm gonna put the 1992 East Regional Final against Kentucky on my list.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_04: If you aren't familiar with that iconic moment, Kentucky has just hit a go-ahead shot with only two seconds left in the game.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_04: And if you if you watch the shot, he just he's jumping, their guy gets in his face, he kind of has to adjust, and he kind of throws the ball up almost from the free throw line with like one arm.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_04: It's a it's a crazy shot, but it goes in.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_04: And for in college basketball, if somebody hits a shot, and so in the NBA, they have a role where if somebody hits a shot and you have a timeout, then you can advance the ball to half court and throw it in from half court.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_04: In college basketball, there's no such role.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_04: You have to inbound it from under your basket, whether you have a timeout or not.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_04: So with only two seconds left, Duke has to somehow get it all the way up the court in time to attempt to attempt a game-winning shot.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_04: Grant Hill throws an amazing inbounds pass to Christian Leitner, and we'll play that clip.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_10: There's the pass to Leitner.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_10: What's it up?
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's unbelievable.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's still one of the more unbelievable plays ever.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_04: That was at the spectrum, too, in Philly.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_04: Uh where that was.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_04: And and I was watching that game, Steve, at a place called Sideshow Pizza in Greensburg.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_02: Was that the sideshow for you?
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_04: It was a place where my brother and I used to go to play video games.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_04: And they had like one of those old school big screen TVs, like that one, like those ones that you had to watch.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like if you yeah, if you if you looked at the side, it wasn't, yeah.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_04: You couldn't see it.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_04: And and so they had the game on that, but there was no sound.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_04: And when I saw Leightoner dribble before he shot the ball, I thought maybe he didn't get it off in time.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_04: Like I saw it go in, but I wasn't.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because it is like he takes a dribble.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's like with two seconds, you it you really shouldn't be doing that or be able to do that.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's it's kind of like the guy from Barton that you talked about earlier, like just having kind of like the coolness and the presence to be like, hey, I got time.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_04: No hurry, no panic.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_04: But I but I didn't realize that.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_04: And I you know, the first shot that CBS cuts to after that basket is Thomas Hill on the bench making this face, which like with his arms over his head.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's like, is that a happy face or a sad face?
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_04: It's kind of hard to tell.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_02: And you couldn't hear the one shining moment music.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_04: Well, well, and there's a good 10 or 20 seconds before I realized that Duke had indeed won.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, wait, like I know it went in, but did it count?
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_04: Did it count?
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_04: Like, there's no sound.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but of course it did go in, and and Duke goes on to win the championship that year.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's the back to back.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so yeah, that was a great moment.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_02: I was I remember watching this, and we were in kataning with uh like a church group.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_02: We had like kind of a Boy Scouts thing, and somebody had whipped out like a TV that was probably like if it was 19 inches, I'm being generous, and it was like aerial, so it's all like static y.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_02: And like I remember watching the game, and everybody's like, you're rooting for dude.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I'm not really rooting for, I was ambivalent.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I just like a good game.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I couldn't have really cared about either.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_02: And then that happened, I remember everybody was pissed.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, wow, that was impressive.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_02: People, like I said, people hated in between the snow and everything on the screen.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_02: It was funny.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that amazing shot by Duke, Tim.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh unfortunately, unlike Kristen Leitner, we have run out of time for this episode.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_02: I for I dribbled the ball twice, Tim.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_02: So uh you'll have to join us.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna do another one of these, uh, another complete list.
• 1:06:52
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