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Todd Hampson: Our Future Hope, Prophecy And The Last Days · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey friends, welcome.
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  Thank you so much for watching and listening.
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  I've got a phenomenal book and guest to tell you about it today.
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  It's going to be so exciting to talk with my brother Todd Hampson.
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  He and Jeff Kinley came up with another fantastic book and this is called a visual guide to
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  the end times.
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  And man, this brother, they do the Prophecy Pro's podcast, they're doing conferences.
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  So much that they're doing, I have a hard time keeping up with these two.
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  But Todd Hampson is with us, brother, ToddHampson.com and of course, prophecypro'spodcast.com.
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  Brother, thanks so much for your time today.
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  We appreciate it.
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  Oh, it's always great to join you, David.
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  I'm so appreciate your ministry and what you're doing.
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  This is needed for today.
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  So anytime I get to join you, I'm all for it, man.
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  Man, well, you guys put out a lot of great content and important information what you teach
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  about from the Word of God and Bible prophecy.
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  But I want to thank you.
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  I'm blessed to have this.
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  Friends, we're pre-recording this podcast, but this will, the book is out right now.
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  You can order it right now and either Amazon or you can go to prophecypro'spodcast.com
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  and it's a visual guide to the end times.
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  It's a complete survey of the chronology and events of the last days.
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  And I'll tell you, I was looking through it before we got on the podcast and I told Todd
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  I said, brother, this must have taken so much work.
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  So let's just start right there, Todd.
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  And you and Jeff have written a lot of great books and have a lot of important information
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  out there.
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  So why this book now, and this must, as you said, it was a labor of love.
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  Tell us about the process and here we are, the books ready for people.
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  Yeah, sure.
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  It's so funny how, you know, God's always at work long before you are and put pieces together
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  you didn't even know.
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  So we had been, Jeff and I had been talking about, we need, we wrote a book together that
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  goes over 100 questions, but we're like, we need something that is kind of for all ages
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  and a lay person can pick it up and learn something from it or a seasoned prophecy expert
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  can pick it up and appreciate it.
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  But really wanted to put together something that was comprehensive on the topic and really
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  kind of tied together by a theme.
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  And at the same time, harvest house was a toy and with the same idea that they had some
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  older infographics book that needed updating that had been around since like the 90s and
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  kind of needed a fresher version and of course they sponsor our podcast as well.
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  So we just basically talked with them and there's two other books in the series that I had
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  the pleasure of illustrating.
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  So I was already familiar with the process and all that.
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  But Jeff and I got to literally, as a result of that, got to sit down, take our time,
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  set this book from the, from concept, we did all the writing and of course I did all
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  the illustration.
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  But we basically wanted to take our time and develop a concept that ties it all together
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  in a way that is kind of fun to read.
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  You can bounce around it or you can read straight through.
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  But this, this is the result here, the visual guide to the end time.
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  So it's heavy infographics, very visual, but really covers from many different angles
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  the topic of eschatology from a biblical point of view from how do you interpret prophecy
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  all the way to the specifics and also kind of some marching orders for people at the
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  end.
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  So it really is a comprehensive book that we hope will be, will serve people well for many
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  years to come should the Lord Terry.
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  Yeah, there's, there's so much in here brother.
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  My goodness.
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  It's potential when they first look at it going, wow, when you're just slipping through
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  and go, where do I start?
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  I guess I should go back to page one.
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  But I do want to ask you about something because this really is intriguing to a lot of people.
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  And that is page 78, 79, the restrainer.
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  Now we hear a lot of things like, you know, what's, what's holding things back now or what's
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  going to happen in the future.
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  Talk to us a little bit about that because a lot of people in the church go, okay, is
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  that the Holy Spirit?
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  Is that something?
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  Is that God?
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  Is that something else?
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  Tell us about the restrainer briefly because I know you've got some information in the
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  book about it.
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  Sure.
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  Absolutely.
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  We read about that in Second Thess 2 and basically Paul was writing to the Thessalonians
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  after he already kind of trained them in eschatology and then had to, he was run out of town and
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  they were facing persecution and some people came with some false reports trying to convince
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  them that they were in the tribulation period.
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  So, so set the stage.
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  Second Thess 2 is all about Paul reminding them of what he already taught them and reminding
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  them the order of events.
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  So, so basically in chapter 2, he tells them point blank and I'm paraphrasing here, but
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  when you look at the logic and the steps that the anti-Christ cannot rise to power until
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  after the restrainer is removed.
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  So, as you know, with any other topic, there's, there's, you know, different ideas about
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  who the restrainer is.
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  Some people say it's an angel, some people say it's a government when government's taken
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  out of the way.
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  But when you look carefully at it, it makes most sense to believe that the restrainer
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  is the Holy Spirit.
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  In that passage, he's, the restrainers referred to as both a he and an it.
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  And it's not that the, the Holy Spirit is taken out of here.
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  I mean, the Holy Spirit is God, one of the three persons of the Godhead.
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  So, he's omniscient, omnipresent, but the unique indwelling of the church during the
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  church age is what's taken out of here.
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  And a few verses before that, he's talking about the things that have to happen before
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  the day of the Lord.
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  So, basically, to, in a nutshell, the church age began when the Holy Spirit came down to
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  endure the church, and the church age will end when the, when the Holy Spirit endured
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  church leaves via the rapture.
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  And that lines up with many other passages in terms of like Paul saying, when the fullness
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  of the Gentiles comes in, then Israel will be saved.
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  There's this period of time when God is focusing on the Gentiles during the church age.
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  So, that's, that's a long answer to your short question, but I believe it's thoroughly crystal
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  clear that the restrainer is the Holy Spirit and Dwell Church must be removed.
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  And you can see how that could happen.
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  Look at the evil in our day, how the church, the church that is rising up to be the salt
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  and light, like we're supposed to be, is pushing that evil back.
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  You can imagine, for the first time in church history, when there's not a single Christian
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  on the planet, how evil is just going to crash in.
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  So, it just makes total sense any angle you look at it.
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  Yeah, thank you, Todd.
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  Yeah, we think it's dark now.
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  It's right.
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  It's right.
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  Believers out with the Holy Spirit and my goodness.
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  I don't, I don't want to imagine what that's going to be like.
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  No.
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  So brother, there are six sections to the book.
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  How does that help people walk through this?
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  Six different parts and sections.
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  Yeah, that's a great question.
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  And we use kind of a flight theme because we wanted to give them, when we were brainstorming
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  the concept, we were like, we really want them to have, at point, at certain times in the
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  book, a 30,000-foot view to see the whole landscape of eschatology.
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  But then we want to take them down close.
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  So we kind of came up with this flight theme.
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  So this, this flight theme is used throughout it.
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  But basically, the first section is called the flight plan.
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  And it really is a foundational section that talks about church history and all the different
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  ways eschatology has been interpreted.
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  And then kind of we explain our view, which is the literal or plain sense view.
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  Meaning, we take the Bible to mean what it says and says what it means from cover to cover.
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  And it's one story.
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  So that's the approach we take.
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  And through that, you get very clear results and conclusions when you do Bible study.
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  So in that section, we also go over, one thing that always bug me about some prophecy books
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  is when they wouldn't show the other views like they were afraid of people to see it.
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  So we present all the view, all the key views in terms of like the timing of the rapture
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  and the nature of the future kingdom age.
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  We present those.
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  And of course, we share our view, but we want to make people aware of the other views
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  that are out there and how those popped up in church history.
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  So that first section is pretty heady, but we have a lot of graphics in it.
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  It really lays the foundation.
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  Section two is cruising altitude.
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  Again, going with that flight theme.
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  And in there, we're talking about basically the key events in chronological order.
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  So we show exactly in what order the key events are going to take place.
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  Not every little detail, but the big broad brushstrokes.
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  Then section three is flight crew and passengers.
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  Like who are the key figures of the end times?
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  You know, we talk about, of course, the anti-Christ and the false prophet and the two witnesses
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  and 144,000.
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  So all these key characters who pop up in the book of Revelation, we kind of list them out
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  chronologically in order of appearance like a movie and unpack who they are.
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  And then force section is forces of flight.
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  As you know, David, there's a lot of mention of angels and demons in the book of Revelation.
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  So we unpack all of those everywhere they pop up again, kind of in chronological order
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  as they appear in the text.
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  And then section five is choosing your flight path.
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  And this is where it gets really practical is we talk about different responses to prophecy
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  that people in the Bible had and we give a bunch of biblical examples.
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  And then we challenge the reader to not let it just be head knowledge, but to let this
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  be something that impacts how they live in the world and how they respond to what we're
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  seeing in the world today.
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  And then last but not least, we is pilot training and we wanted to include a section that
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  encourages pastors to teach the whole Council of God and to not be afraid to teach Bible
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  prophecy and eschatology.
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  We see as we travel the country, Jeff and I, over and over again, people coming to the
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  Lord and growing closer to the Lord through the study of Bible prophecy.
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  It takes the Bible from a dusty book that has ancient truths to something that's giving
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  me insight and intel in the world today and means something to me right now.
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  So we basically in that section, we really, we go a long, out of our way to equip pastors
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  and to challenge them.
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  Hey, be courageous, teach the full word of God.
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  If you don't know what it means, wrestle it to the ground until you do.
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  You know, we give them a bunch of advice like that, but really wanted this to be a resource
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  for pastors and youth leaders and that kind of stuff as well.
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  Thank you.
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  Part six.
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  Thank you.
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  And I need this is this is very extensive and very thorough friends, but that part six,
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  pilot training, practical tips for leaders that is so important.
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  I think taught a lot of pastors, maybe, maybe some of them went through seminary, some
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  didn't, but they maybe weren't equipped to understand or teach Bible prophecy.
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  And so this is so important and guys, if maybe get one of these, Christmas is coming up
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  for your pastor.
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  Wow.
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  What a great idea.
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  Yeah.
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  But let's talk about that.
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  I'm now flipping right back to the beginning of the book.
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  I'm looking at attributes of God and revelation.
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  By the way, I just, I really love the theme.
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  I like the flight plan theme and the way that goes throughout the book.
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  But the very next page after that is page 16, the importance of fulfilled prophecy, whether
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  you're a lay person or pastors, how can this not be an encouraging and hopeful book when
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  you look at what the Bible says and how much we have on fulfilled prophecy and Bible
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  prophecy.
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  It is a hopeful thing for the Christians.
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  And yet there's so much ignorance when it comes to it.
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  So I know your heart is to get people informed and hopeful and understanding what we have
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  to look forward to.
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  But brother, it's been so neglected and that's why you and Jeff, I think your heart's
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  beat, you know, eschatology and Bible prophecy.
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  Share a little bit about that.
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  I know we've talked about that in the past, but that's just so important.
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  I mean, we can look at so much in the Bible and go, wow, I mean, what, there's evidence
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  right there, fulfilled prophecy, Bible prophecy.
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  Yeah.
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  Absolutely.
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  The Bible is about 28% prophecy when it was originally written and 80% of that has already
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  been fulfilled.
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  And these aren't, these aren't just small things or coincidental things.
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  We're talking sweeping prophecies of empires.
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  People named, specifically named 200 years before they even existed.
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  Of course, all the messianic prophecies.
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  Of course, you know, everything that points to the end times as well.
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  But the fulfilled prophecy, if people slow down long enough to take a look, is the greatest
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  apologetic that the Bible's supernatural in nature.
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  And there's several verses where God actually ties the fulfillment of prophecy to his character.
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  So it's kind of a built-in proof of authenticity.
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  The Bible's the only book ever in history that number one claims to be the word of God,
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  not just the writings of man.
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  And number two, backs it up with concrete fulfilled prophecy that you can go back and verify.
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  In history.
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  And I can't remember if I shared this before, but I grew up completely unchurched.
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  I was an atheist, even at 13 years old.
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  I believed in evolution whole nine yards.
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  And then through a really weird set of circumstances, the Lord placed me in a Christian school for
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  three months.
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  And I heard the gospel.
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  And the one thing I could not explain away that got my attention was fulfilled Bible prophecy.
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  Wow.
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  I tried my best to get it out of my brain.
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  And I couldn't.
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  It was the one thing I could not shake.
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  So if you're looking for a great apologetic to convince people that the Bible's the word
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  of God, fulfill prophecies, a key one.
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  And if you're looking for a great way to encourage believers and let them know, they can trust
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  in this word that we love so much, fulfill prophecies, a great tool for that as well.
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  Yeah, talk about things that you cannot explain away.
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  God knew what you needed to get you to draw you in.
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  I didn't remember that about your testimony, brother.
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  I can't remember if I shared that in the past or not, but I don't remember you should.
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  But that's really neat because God uses different things to reach different people.
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  Other things you can't explain away.
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  Tens of thousands of archaeological discoveries that point to the Bible as being true and
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  accurate and reliable.
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  And also eyewitness testimony.
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  And then we've got fulfilled prophecy.
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  I mean, there's things that I just don't know.
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  It takes more faith, Frank Turk wrote a book years ago, I don't have enough faith to be
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  an atheist.
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  Right?
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  I'll prove the evidence as very compelling for the biblical worldview.
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  So tell us briefly, I know you do this extensively in the new book.
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  Tell us a little bit about the counterfeit Trinity, Todd.
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  Yeah.
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  So as with everything, Satan doesn't come up with anything really new.
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  He just kind of counterfeits what God does.
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  That's why every cult or false belief system out there brings in a little bit of Christianity,
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  a little bit of truth.
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  But we find that is going to be the case in the end times as well.
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  So instead of Father, Son, Holy Spirit, on the evil side, what we find in working during
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  the tribulation period is Satan, the anti-Christ, and the false prophet.
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  So Satan is kind of like the God counterfeit, anti-Christ is like the son counterfeit.
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  And of course, the false prophet is kind of like the Holy Spirit, false prophet counterfeit
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  that points people to the anti-Christ.
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  So there's nothing new under the sun when it comes to the enemy.
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  He just repackages old stuff with his own evil twist.
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  And we can see it coming, but the world doesn't realize how evil and insidious he is.
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  Yeah.
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  So I'm looking at page, let's see, 101 right now.
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  Tribulation, saints and martyrs, it talks about Revelation 6 and Revelation 7.
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  Now I don't know what everyone in your audience and our audience here believes about Charlie
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  Kirk's assassination, I believe he was a Christian martyr, I believe he was sharing the gospel,
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  the biblical worldview.
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  Yes, he was talking to politics, but he knew that politics would lead to the ultimate
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  source of freedom, which is Jesus Christ.
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  So why a book like this right now, because I'm thinking about people need, they understand
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  life is short.
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  At least some people, God gives us wisdom at times and we're going, okay, he was 31,
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  Charlie Kirk was a lot of martyrs were killed.
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  I think Stephen in Acts, I think he was in his 20s, but I don't remember for sure, tell
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  us a little bit about that and why this book, I know hope, being having more hope is a big
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  answer.
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  But go ahead and just share a little bit more about your.
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  Absolutely.
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  First of all, I agree 100%.
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  I did a YouTube video right after Charlie Kirk's death and I called him, I said he was
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  a Christian martyr and I compared him to Stephen and talked about the similarities and to
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  be honest, I did get some pushback.
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  I got some people saying he was political, that's why I got killed and other stuff where
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  they were taking stuff out of context, but the name of your show, a worldview, he died
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  for his biblical worldview.
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  If you look at other martyrs of history, it typically wasn't just, hey, I'm preaching
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  the gospel or that happened as well.
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  It usually had something to do with their biblical worldview that was at odds with whoever
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  was in power and that's what happened or at odds with the culture and they killed them
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  on kind of street level violence.
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  But anyway, so I agree with you there, I think a biblical worldview is key and I think
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  that's why other than the fact that fulfilled prophecy led to my salvation and that's a natural
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  segue to eschatology, that's why I like it.
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  One reason I love eschatology is it gives people, especially the younger generation, hope
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  for the future.
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  It anchors them to a past where God started things, it concretely puts together the entire
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  biblical narrative and shows them how, just like your favorite movie or favorite book,
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  there's a great climax at the end that ties up all the loose ends.
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  The way the church for the past 20 or 30 years, the church at large, not every church obviously,
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  has been treating Bible prophecy and eschatology as like going to your favorite movie and then
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  walking out before the ending.
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  We look back to the resurrection which is amazing, that's secured our salvation, but we need
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  to be reminded, we're not only a people of reflection but we're also a people of anticipation.
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  Every good coach or leadership book is going to tell you, it's your goals about the future,
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  it's the future that draws you, that makes you persevere, that gives you hope, that gives
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  you something to look forward to and that's what eschatology is, the return of Christ, the
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  Millennial Kingdom, heaven, all these beautiful things we have to look forward to and it reminds
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  us also that this world is not our home.
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  As you mentioned before we started recording, all the studies for Gen Z and Gen Alpha even
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  are showing they're looking for genuine truth and most of them are very, very anxious and
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  full of anxiety and looking for something to cling to, now's the time that we can seize
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  the moment, teach them the whole story from Genesis to Revelation, a literal six day creation
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  that's backed up by science, a literal history that's backed up by archaeology like you said
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  and a literal return that we have to look forward to.
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  We can take the Bible at face value and we can use it for its intended purpose and be
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  anchored to a promised future that God has waiting for us.
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  Amen, brother.
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  If you want to give the websites again, I mean obviously todhampson.com but prophecy
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  prospodcast.com and you'll see a visual guide to the end times right there.
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  One of the bullet points in this, it says a clear picture and timeline of what will happen
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  during the end times, brother, you're, it's just so professionally done, these graphics
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  and they are absolutely amazing.
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  You can tell you've been doing this for your career before you got into these books.
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  It's really kudos brother, really excellent work.
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  There is one thing I wanted to ask you about, and that is part four, another thing I wanted
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  to ask you about, because I think a lot of people have been fascinated by maybe not necessarily
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  demons, although we should be interested in the truth of the demonic realm, but angels
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  I think remember years ago, I don't know how many in the audience are old enough to remember
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  touched by an angel, and there is this massive fad, I mean these porcelain figures and all
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  the, it's just this, these TV shows are with angels and it was just all over them, you couldn't
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  get away from it.
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  I don't know if that was biblical, but what you cover here and what the Bible covers, there's
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  a very real aspect to angels, I mean you go back to, I think Daniels, Zacharias, Mary obviously
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  Joseph, the shepherds, people that had angel, very real appearances, and it's interesting,
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  even John and Revelation, didn't he just fall flat on his face, the reality of the power
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  and there's something about angels, talk to us a little bit about that.
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  Yeah, absolutely, almost any time you see someone in scripture, including John and Revelation,
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  seeing an angel without them being veiled, seeing them and their strength and their might,
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  they fall face down as dead men, or they try to worship the angel and the angel says, no,
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  don't worship me, I'm not God and or you know, don't be terrified, but yeah, angels and demons are
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  real in the second set of judgments in the future tribulation period, in one book I have, I say the
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  paranormal becomes the new normal, because all the sudden things shift from kind of natural
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  calamity and earthquakes and that kind of thing, to all the sudden there's a horde of demonic
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  locusts, there's 200 million demonic cavalry, like real literal demons that that are going to
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  show up on earth, and also at the same time, amazingly there's going to be angels that play
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  a huge part, including helping to usher in the judgments, but also the one I love the best is
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  the gospel angel, there's an angel that God will send, so that every single Matthew 24 it says,
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  everyone will hear the gospel, and then the end will come, I think that's ultimately talking
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  about this future angel, that's literally the way it's worded in the Greek is he's going to zip
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  back and forth to every single person on the planet to make sure everyone has heard the gospel,
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  and then the end will come, so yeah, we see that, we see, and again, every theme we see brought up
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  in scripture finds its ultimate culmination, including angels and demons, and the attributes of God,
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  and there's so much in revelation, no matter fact, it's called revelation, which means the unveiling,
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  but we treat it the opposite, we treat it like it's something we're supposed to hide or that we
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  can never understand, so that's another another passion of ours is to help people see the meaning
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  of the book itself, and you see angels there like never before. Yeah, so I think you partially answered
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  maybe what my next question was going to be, but I'm going to ask it anyway, and that is why now
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  the importance of a book like this on prophecy, we talked a little bit about some pastors who either
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  are not maybe informed or they don't understand Bible prophecy, and so that means a good percentage
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  of the church in America unfortunately has not been taught about Bible prophecy in the end times,
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  so I know that's part of your answer, anything else you'd like to expound on that you and Jeff came
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  out with this book right now. Yeah, really just to put handles on it, we're almost trying to convince
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  people you can understand it, it is worth studying, it is practical, and it is needed today.
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  There's several issues, but you know whether it's eschatology or Israel or like I said creation
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  or the rapture, these key things that used to be kind of settled truth in evangelical churches
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  are now being challenged or attacked even from within the church, so eschatology touches on all
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  those things. I call it the central nervous system of the Bible because it connects to key areas
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  of theology, all the key people and all the key promises, so it's a vitally important
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  automatic disciple maker when you study eschatology, it's going to force you to get into the rest of
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  the word, which is a healthy thing, and this is what we're trying to help as many pastors as
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  possible see the value in teaching eschatology. Praise God brother, before we let you go, I don't
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  want to run out of time and have you not explained what you guys have been working on with youth
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  and the future, and what were you guys just doing? You just had a conference recently, didn't you?
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  So we actually had a conference a year ago that sparked an idea, we have a 501c3 setup called
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  Future Hope, we just hired our national director and just had our first board retreat, we're going to
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  try to do 10 events in 2026 reaching, as we're going to try to reach 5,000 students in 2026, but we're
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  trying to reach 100,000 students in the next five years, and people can go to learn more about that
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  if they go to FutureHope.now, and they can read all about it there, but yeah, I'm really excited
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  about what God's doing there, and this was before, obviously, any of the Charlie Kirk stuff happened,
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  but everything we were reading, everything we were seeing and experiencing, and we did a youth
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  event last year on the west coast, and we saw a thousand kids show up, and they were hungry.
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  Scores of them gave their lives to Christ, so we're like, we need to ride this way, this is bigger
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  than us, God gets all the glory. We're just seeing open door ministry that we want to step into,
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  not because it's our pet thing, or our favorite area of theology, but because we see God moving,
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  and we want to join in. Fantastic, brother. Akudos to you, and Jeff, FutureHope.now.
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  That's it. And you're right, you're right, there's this wave, I mean, it's not a ripple effect,
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  there's a tsunami of youth that not only need hope, but they're searching, they're more
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  interested in truth, and I like that you started this last year, you said? You had your first one?
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  November 2023 was our event, yeah. So there's something very interesting happening with youth,
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  and we're trying to reach them, and even the political arm of things at Turning Point USA,
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  Charlie Kirk's organization, it's not just political friends, we are really trying to reach
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  young people and give them hope in Christ, that is the foundation that drives everything,
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  the biblical worldview. Brother, any last words we've got less than a minute?
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  Just that I meant to say, November 2024, I'm getting my ears mixed up, but yeah, now I'm more
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  excited than ever. It's from in our flesh, it's a scary time to be alive, but in our spirit,
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  we know that God has sovereignly placed us here right now, so ministries like yours and ours,
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  and the people that we're trying to reach and encourage, I think we need to lean into this moment,
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  stand strong, and keep pointing people to the Lord. Amen, Todd Hampson, let's be about God's work here.
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  He's doing a work, and sometimes we just have to kind of go along with what he's already doing,
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  and it's evident to see things happening. When you get things get so dark and maybe hopeless,
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  that's when more people are starting to look for God, maybe more people are looking up. Again,
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  prophecy, prospodcast.com, you can get the book. Brother, thank you for this, thank you for all
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  that you do, and Lord willing will be in touch. Thanks, Todd. You bet, thank you. All right,
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  friends, thank you again for watching, listening, and sharing God bless you, and as always,
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  keep speaking the truth about things that matter.