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Talks to Dylan Rees about his choice of The Tenth Planet (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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None hamster with a blunt penknife
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for. Doing quicker, quicker.
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Quicker, absolutely. So welcome back to A Hamster
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with a Blunt Penknife, a Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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We are once again live talking all things 10th planet.
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Do you know, I love the fact that people get a little hint
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now and insight into what it's like to record one of these
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things and have to introduce the episode four times in the same
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Zoom call? Yeah, Tedious, isn't it, Dylan?
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Have have you, have you done the war games yet?
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Have you had to introduce that 10 times?
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No. Yeah, no.
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We should we do the war games live.
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Oh my God, no one's got the patience to stick with us for
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five hours. I.
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Don't think back-to-back with all 14 episodes of Trial at the
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Time Lord and then the 25 hours of studio footage that's on the
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Season 24 box set. We're just doing that.
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Do them all the way through. What's that all about?
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I want to ask anyone, anyone who's there on the thread, do
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you watch that studio footage that that you know, like the 70
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hours of studio footage that was on the Season 24 box set?
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I can't do it. I have to Fast forward.
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Yeah, it's a difficult wank, but sometimes just just on that.
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Sometimes if I'm working at home, I will put the studio
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footage on just in the background.
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And you're right, it is dull. But it's quite nice every now
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and then to sort of peek over and go, oh, look, there's
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Sylvester McCoy hanging from a thing, having a chat to a
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director or something. It's worth it for that wonderful
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moment where Kate O'mara's under an umbrella in the rain in that
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quarry and Tala Narani, and she turns around and she goes, oh,
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well, this ain't like Dynasty, is it?
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In fact, I would kill for studio footage of Hartnell's time.
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Yeah, not to be unfortunately though, is it?
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All we've got is him going. I'm, I'm a legitimate actor of
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the screen and stage. Don't you know, do?
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You know what, let's get into Puss in Boots in a minute.
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But not Mark, Cockbham also says.
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Nope, he doesn't watch them either.
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Of course he doesn't. Nobody does.
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I mean, if you're out there, I I need to know what we're missing.
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Yes. But.
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Probably not a lot, but you know.
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All the interesting bits ends up in the documentaries anyway,
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doesn't it? Yeah, but someone's got to go
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through all that footage to excise all of those bits and and
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paste them into the documentaries We.
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Do not deserve the restoration too.
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We salute you, Oh, Joe, Llewellyn says.
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I tried watching it. My attention span could not
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deal. Yeah, we're the same.
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Well, look, I'm going to count as into the next episode and
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then I've got a question for you.
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Go on. A5 four everybody 321.
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So Dylan, is it Z bomb or Z bomb?
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I think it's enemy of the not enemy of the world.
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I think it's underwater menace style and it's Z bomb.
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Zaraf would live in this up. No end, wouldn't he?
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It's both. It could be AZ bomb or AZ bomb.
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I think Z bomb sounds better though.
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Is it just a zed? Because that makes it sound more
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science fictiony, I think. So yeah, sort.
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Of a harsh consonance in science fiction, didn't they?
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Yeah, now so after Hartnell left the role, he had a couple more
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TV roles. I think he was in one of the
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Doctor Fibes film as that his role was cut from there.
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I think, I can't remember it was the 1st or the 2nd 1.
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So that's footage lots of time. But he went and did a panto
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called Puss in Boots, which is where that wonderful, where that
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wonderful interview comes where he says I'm a legitimate actor.
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Now, about seven or eight years ago, I worked on a film with an
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elderly actress who was a young woman who was in that panto with
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Hartnell. And she told me all about his
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time. Like, we chatted for like 10
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minutes. And she was just like, she said
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all the cliches of, you know, he was a cantankerous, miserable
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man, you know, hard drinker, that easy to get off, not easy
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to get on with. And everybody was super excited
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about getting William Hartnell in it.
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And there was like a little an army of like model Daleks and
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stuff like that that were a part of the production.
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But she said the problem was he got so used to television
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acting, you know, the cliche of televisions, very, very small,
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all the actions here, that he couldn't project his voice
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anymore. So the panto got terrible
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reviews as a result because he just wasn't able to sort of play
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to a theatre. Great story, something I've
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never heard before. Yeah, there you go.
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Facts. We're hitting you with the
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facts. I do wonder, you know, you know,
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Trouton used to say, oh, I'm not doing that shouting in the
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evening about theatre. I'm wondering if he felt the
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same, that he's just, he wasn't used to that sort because he was
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quite subtle. Trout, I know he's a comic actor
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and a soft voice, didn't he he? Did he did now I'm not a theatre
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fan, but you I But you only go and see plays with Joe Castleton
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in right? That's right.
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Yeah, it's true. We've got some more.
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Don't you knock, Joe Castleton. I've read your book, all right.
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I won't knock Joe Castleton. She's an icon.
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She's an icon of this household, that's for sure.
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Absolutely. If you want to come to
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Eastbourne for a fish supper, and that's not a youth, I'll buy
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you one. Now we've got some more
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comments, so Joe, the women says I tried watching it, my
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attention span couldn't deal in regards to the footage, Mark
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Cockrum said. I did watch the end of Lagopolis
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where I don't like to beckon, which is what's on so oh.
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Yeah, actually that's a great insight into how fucking
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miserable he was in those last couple of weeks.
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Absolutely, Absolutely. You didn't say it well enough,
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you know. He goes.
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I don't want to beckon. There we go.
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Nathan Bottomley says, pulls out his what?
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And Mark Cochran says didn't he play Cliff Richard's father in
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ATV thing? I think he did.
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Yes, I think he did. But you know, go back and watch
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his performance in Brighton Rock.
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Go back and watch his performance in in Carry On Sarge
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and you know his best. Arnold was such a great actor.
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I think Hartnell is the only Doctor Who acts like person to
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play the Doctor that I've not seen in anything else.
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I would suggest Brighton Rock. OK, I'll give it a go.
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Oh, there's one as well with loads of men's bums out.
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I forget what it's called now. Mark, put it in the chat, you
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know it quite well. Is it This Sporting Life or Ask
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the One? Yeah, and Jon Perk was in it as
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well. Oh yeah, there you go.
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This sporting line is good. Yeah, it's so weird that we're
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talking so much about Hartnell now when he's not in this
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episode. Well, no, but his, his, his, his
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presence is here. So most of his lines go to
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Barkley and Ben, I think. Is it Barkley?
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Berkeley Barkley. Well, then, here's my next
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question for you and for the listeners, and that is, do Ben
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and Polly fill the void left by William Hartnell?
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Can they sort of keep this story moving without him?
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I think. They can do it for an episode,
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but you know when they were looking at different ways to
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carry on Doctor Who, I don't think it works with just Ben and
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Polly. I think there's a world where
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Stephen takes over the TARDIS for a few years and makes for a
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compelling lead, but I don't. Ben and Polly are very much fit
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the assistant role I think. Yeah, I think like, because what
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ends up happening is Ben's crawling around, you know,
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ventilation ducts and Polly's locked in a room.
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So they're they're not really driving this story.
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A lot of it's taking place, like you said, amongst the base
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personnel. Yeah, absolutely.
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And it's, it's a good enough story to carry on without him.
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Like as we said, it's not perfect.
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You know, there's a lot of logic holes in it, but there's a lot
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of logic holes in a lot of Doctor Who.
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So, you know, but we're not here to pick those apart.
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Go listen to Flight for entirety if you want to.
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If you want to have Doctor Who stories, pull the part that you
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love. In intelligent ways.
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In a very intelligent way, yes. Yes.
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Well. I do that much more articulate
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and intelligent than I could ever be.
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Ah, but. Not handsome.
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Come on now, what I do like is, and I'm going to mention his
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name again, it's that thing that Russy Davis does.
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He remembers to add a personal and emotional element.
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And you get a lot of Cutler and his son stuff because he's
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talking to his son on the thing. It looks like his son's going to
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die. And then that informs how his
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cat see. Don't tell me I can't do
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intelligent discussion. It.
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Informs a lot of how he behaves now because he goes off to Ben
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at one point when he's trying to sabotage the bomb and literally
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throws him like double over to a point where your back would
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probably be broken if it was real life.
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Yeah, he behaves in like a psychotic way, but I think he's
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given a solid motive to behave that way.
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Absolutely. Anthony Cowell's just made a
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good point. Makes you think if Hartnell has
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suddenly been ill for episode 4, what would have happened?
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I think they probably would have just had him knocked out on the
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floor and then just turned him over at the end.
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Yeah, I think what time in the Rani style I I wonder if they
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would have, they would have carried on.
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I think it, that's the episode that's weirdly easy to write him
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out of. And then maybe they would have
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done a film insert that they would have put in after with
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just like his final moments because they wouldn't have
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delayed the record because how far away from transmission were
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they recording these? A week or two, something like
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that. Yeah.
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So I don't think they could have delayed it.
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I'm so glad that he, you know, he's, he's back for Episode 4.
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Maybe, maybe just because it was such a big episode, maybe they
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would have done that. I don't know.
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I mean, it's all what ifs, isn't it?
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Absolutely. It's so good speculation,
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though. Yeah, it is.
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James Allenby. Ah, here we go.
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Lovely, Jim Allenby says. I read the Target novel a few
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weeks back and even in the novelisation the doctor's role
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is reduced. That surprised me.
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I thought they would have beefed it up a bit for the book.
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Yeah, no, that, that's that. That's a good point.
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Now they use the the Cybermen's names in the book, don't they?
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Gengos Krang. Yeah.
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Yeah, great names. Is it Krail?
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Krail's one of them. And what?
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What's the other one called? Somebody out there?
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Shadow. You've just read the book.
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Let us know the names of the Cybermen.
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I like my Cybermen names. Yeah, I quite like it as well.
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I, it looks like you said earlier, this is like a, a
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blueprint for the sidemen, but there's so many modifications
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after this, Mark Cochran, says Jeff.
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Cheeky git. People, Pete says.
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When Ben relates something the doctor said out of necessity
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just occurs to me. That happens in real life, but
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almost never in shows, because what actors want that.
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Yeah, makes sense. Anthony Carroll is convinced one
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of the characters sidemen, is called Chipnall.
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Yes, I believe that might be the case.
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James Allenby's memory is bloody awful and he says let me go take
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a look. So.
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Basically pondering how am I going to get out of here?
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You know what, Doctor Who stand by could possibly Get Me Out of
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this cell? Oh, look, a ventilation shaft.
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Yeah, that's. Just what you need.
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I don't think it was a thing yet though, you know?
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No, but isn't there a ventilation shaft that leads
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into the room with all the radiation as well?
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This just happens to lead to the bomb by pure.
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Chance everybody in that bunk's going.
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Why is my hair falling out? I feel really sick.
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It's like just radiation pouring through.
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Nobody can act narrating themselves, can they?
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He's going there. Oh, they didn't make locks like
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that in 1960. Oh, no, wait a minute, I'll try.
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I mean, do you do that in real life?
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Because I don't. Oh yeah, I constantly narrate my
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life. I'm just going to take the bins
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out now. Oh, look, I'm walking down the
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stairs. Oh.
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Wow, wow, really, really fancy a wank.
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Oh, that's a really unsatisfying wank.
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Oh, I don't think those rain Max, you know, would protect
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them from radiation. It's the future.
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I mean, there's, there's quite clearly gaps in the headgear,
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isn't there? And you know, we've barely
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talked about the sets, but I want to say the set here on 2
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levels, the set of the control room on several levels.
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It's quite impressive for the time.
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It's very impressive. Oh, we've got names.
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It's Crayol, Crang, Jaw and Gern.
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Good. I believe that's what John Perry
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does at most cliffhangers, Mark Cochran says.
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It seems insane to me that the gap between recording and
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transmission was so small. It's madness, isn't it?
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Imagine that today. You're a man of television.
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Imagine that today. Oh no.
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Sometimes you shoot things like at least a year in advance.
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A lot of the time it's in post production, but I shot something
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in May and June and we will it has to be out for Christmas and
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we were genuinely worried we wouldn't get it finished for
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Christmas, but we did. Now, having said that on an
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episode of two hot for TV recently, I was doing my news at
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the time it was October or September, I think, and they
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were recording time of the doctor to go out in December.
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So that's probably the quickest adopted, quickest turn around a
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new series Doctor Who story has. Even so though, 2 weeks.
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Two weeks is. But, and, you know, just as you
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know, we, it's worth saying that given the quality of what they
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produced, given that quick turn around and how quickly it was
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made and with zero fucking money, yeah.
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I mean, I feel a bit unfair that we scrutinize it the way we do.
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Yeah. But I mean, yeah, we, we
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scrutinize it because we love it and we love pulling apart the
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things with the things that we love.
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So, you know, the amount of stuff that gets through on a
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first draft and plot holes and things like that is just that
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the nature of the beast. They were basically doing a
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theatre performance every few weeks, weren't they?
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Which occasionally looked a little filmic.
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Yeah, exactly. Did Polly just go and get him
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that drink? Yes, that's.
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Why resist the trappings of sexism?
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Can they? No exactly.
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At least at the moon base they make it a plot point.
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Oh dear Polly, why not go and put the kettle on, keep them all
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happy whilst I think of something.
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It has to be said that Annika Wills was a very beautiful woman
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back in the day. Stunning.
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Absolutely stunning. I mean, you look in her
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autobiography, she's got like, modelling photographs in the in
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the middle of that, Yeah. And that makes me wet looking at
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poets. There's something about her that
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just oozes 60s, you know? Even when she's not in Doctor
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Who and you see photos from her at that time, it's just like she
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feels like the quintessential bit of like.
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Dolly Bird. Dolly bird.
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Exactly. Oh, Fraser.
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Gregory's here. Can you guess what he's asked
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us? Oh what is he saying?
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Snog marry wear their body a bit too thin.
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Crang the 80s cyber leader tutors of the Borg.
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OK. So I think I'm snogging the 80s
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cyber leader because that would be excellent.
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Sorry I'll I'll get that. I am marrying Crang and I'm
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wearing Lakutas and Borg's body suit because it looks the most
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comfortable if I'm honest. I'm going to wear the body of
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Crang because I'm not unfamiliar with a GIMP mask.
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I'm going to snog the 80s cyber leader because I don't know if
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you've seen their asses, the shocks they get in Earth, shock
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of their bums. And I'm going to marry Locutus
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of Borg. That's Patrick Stewart for
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goodness sakes. Yeah.
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There we go. Yeah, Sophie Aldridge certainly
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checked out the asses of the 80s Cybermen.
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And then she'd like, oh, has she what for?
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For real there. There was some sort of rumour
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that she shagged one of the side of men, although I think that
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was put about by Gary Downey so who knows.
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Right, so may I say you, you've revolutionized snog.
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Marry a void on these hamster commentaries now.
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Well done. There used to be an embarrassing
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party trick at Christmas, but now we love them.
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OK, so now everyone's got to try and stop the Z stroke, Z stroke,
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Z bomb. From going off, yeah, Daniel
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says. Imagine listening to Crown's
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voice every day. You might volunteer to become a
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cyber man yourself. That is true.
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It is the ultimate whiny partner, isn't it?
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What would you like for your dinner?
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It's that it's those Bill Potts conversations in Well Enough in
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Time, isn't it? Where you know she's talking and
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then you realize actually it's all being said in a cyber voice
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that suddenly becomes slightly comedic.
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Oh, imagine a date, you know. Jesus, would you like me to
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finish you off? No, it doesn't work.
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It doesn't work. I do think there's a good
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dramatic impetus now, though. Yeah, you know.
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Very important question, do the Cybermen, when they convert
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people, do they keep their genitalia or is it just it's
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gone? Why are you asking that
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question? Is there is there a cyber
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vagina? Is there a cyber cock?
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Or is that what the cyber maps are there?
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The cocks? Head over to Chris Chibnall's
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Cyber Woman and that will give you all the answers you could
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possibly need. We cover the the tough subjects
17:52
now. Were they thinking?
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Love all these Cybermen. So the seven cyber costumes,
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which I think you know, is a lot for for these sort of things.
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And it's insane that they create these costumes and then they
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never use them again. And do you know what else I
18:06
love? But they do use again what I
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love this music. Yeah, it's great.
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Now also that all the music from this episode is library music.
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And if you're a fan of Out of the Unknown, some of it does
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show up on Out of the Unknown episodes, which if anybody out
18:24
there hasn't seen Out of the Unknown, it's it's an anthology
18:27
show, so it can be hit and miss. But there's some great bits of
18:30
60 sci-fi and you kind of feel like you're watching a Doctor
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Who spin off or something like that.
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Or it's just like it's the same sort of it's got a bigger budget
18:38
than Doctor Who, but it's that same sort of you get the same
18:41
actor, same sort of music in your life.
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I'll. Say, are there any adult
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crossover actor crossovers? Adult crossovers.
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Zygon. Sorry.
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Daniel also says all reject stock will be incinerated.
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So I think he's talking about the penises there.
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The cyber cock they've. All gone in the furnace.
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Oh dear, Oh dear. Now look, I love this shot of
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Ben in the ventilation shaft, very clearly visible.
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The camera pans out for everybody working away on the
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bar. Daniel says that Ben in a
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tightly enclosed space. Oh my God.
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What is your favorite cyber design of the classic series?
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This. Is it mine?
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Is this and then the wheel in space design?
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Oh, do you like the teardrop? I like the teardrop.
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I like the the tightness of the suits.
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I think it makes it makes for a a good I I never really liked
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the baggy moon based Cyberman costume.
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I like the the masks of them. Yeah, I.
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Like the masks do. You know what, actually, there's
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shots of them going across the moon and that where they're,
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they're sort of glistening and they look quite impressive.
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Well, what about the 80s ones? I I do like the 80s ones.
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I've got an 80s one at my dad's house and I do want to buy AI do
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want to get. There we go.
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But I want to get a helmet, I want to get a helmet, I want to
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get a wheel in space helmet for at at some point.
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In fact, remember we are being observed right now.
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Wonder if there's one on? I'm just I'm just having a look
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on eBay now to see if I can find a wheel in space.
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Cyber Helmet. I think the 80 sidemen work for
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like action sequences, they're far more manoeuvrable.
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So you could do more like the Five Doctors, you know, when the
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Rastam warrior goes for them or when they're running around that
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quarry and attack on the side men.
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There's a wheel and space side run helmets on on eBay.
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How much is it? It's. £275.
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Oh, you're thinking about it, aren't you?
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And we have a couple of drinks later and decide, or maybe I'm
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going to start a GoFundMe, if the guys from Hamster could just
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all chip in a tenner each. I can have my own selfish cyber
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head and I will wear it for the We'll do a Wheel in Space
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commentary live and I'll wear it for the entirety of it.
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I think that's the only thing that would make that bearable
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with that story. Do you know, I was sort of
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squinting my eyes then when the sidemen were going through the
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snow there and I was like, it almost looks like it could be
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outside. Yeah.
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I mean, that's the. Joy of this sort of grainy black
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and white footage. Yeah, the fact that those are
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the those elements are on film, I think, right.
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Yeah, yeah. So healing, yeah.
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Yeah. So it just it just it does add
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to the outsideness of it. Look at this.
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Look how he tosses him over the side, boy.
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Have you ever been tossed over the side?
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Not or in front of a massive bomb, no.
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Well, there's always a first. And Ben, let's have a hell of a
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scream as well. He does.
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I like then in this lot, he asked that moment, I can't
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remember if we missed it or not, where he kills the Cyberman and
22:01
he goes, oh, I had no choice. I had no choice.
22:04
And I think that's a very good like character moment to go like
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he was in the Navy. But he's not, he's not a killer.
22:11
He's not a soldier in that respect.
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So that's nice. So he gets some character focus
22:15
there. I like the fact that Polly got
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the focus earlier when she was standing up to the Cyberman and
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sort of driving home the the fact that they've had their
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emotions were ripped out of them.
22:25
And actually she gets them over in episode 4 as well, which I
22:28
think people take the piss out because it's her sort of Winfrey
22:31
where she goes doctor, I'm scared.
22:32
And it's when the shit's really hitting the fan.
22:35
And newsflash, I think we all would be in that situation.
22:38
Yeah, she gets kidnapped. By Cybermen, yeah.
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And put into restraints. Yeah, because I mean, if you
22:44
think about what's happened to them so far, there's been the
22:46
war machines, which has happened on their own turf.
22:49
Then they've gone back in time to the smugglers, which, you
22:52
know, was threatening. But they sort of take it on as a
22:54
bit of a a jolly jape. But this is like a proper alien
22:58
invasion. These are these are terrifying
23:02
creatures that that want to convert us into gimps, cyber
23:08
gimps. I'm not entirely.
23:11
I'm not not on board. We're heading towards the last
23:18
Cliff. I can't remember what it is
23:19
though. I is it more cyber men arriving?
23:22
Something like that? I can't.
23:23
Remember, very I was about to say we're heading into the last
23:26
cliffhanger, but actually the last episode has the ultimate
23:28
cliffhanger, yes. It does.
23:30
It does. What the hell has happened to
23:32
Doctor Who? I've got, I'll talk about that
23:36
in a bit. Actually, you know, if we can
23:37
talk about it when it comes to it now for the next episode, are
23:40
you going to watch the telly snap reconstruction or the
23:42
animation? The animation of course I am.
23:46
Me too. I want to talk about that, but
23:48
I'm going to wait for that episode.
23:50
I think there's an interesting conversation to have about
23:52
animation. I do as well.
23:54
I do no. Oh yes, it's a it's a big
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countdown for the the Z bomb or the Z bomb.
24:00
Well, that's all right that, I mean, fucking Chipman has been
24:03
using that in every episode in the last couple of years, you
24:05
know? Exactly who doesn't love a good
24:07
countdown in Doctor Who? My favorite countdown being the
24:12
one in the season of Death where they flash the numbers on Miss
24:14
Kelly's face. Oh, that's brilliant.
24:17
That's just a very stylish bit of direction though as well,
24:20
isn't it? Absolutely Miss Kelly, of
24:22
course, one of the other hotties of 60s Doctor Who.
24:27
My favorite countdown is oh God, I had it in my head there.
24:32
Now I've just lost it. Got there.
24:33
Oh no, it's 0 -, 10 seconds, 98IN inferno.
24:38
Yes, when the drill's going in. Let's ask the audience, what is
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your favorite Doctor Who countdown?
24:46
I, I, I get, I guess Miner was also waiting to listening to the
24:49
charts, hoping that Doctor in Distress would chart that week
24:53
and that we got all the way to #1 and it turns out it wasn't
24:55
there. Mark Cochran said the one in
24:57
Power of Crow is Pony. Oh, there's a countdown in Power
25:02
of Crow, isn't it? Is it always that?
25:04
It was the last live stream I did.
25:06
Anthony Carroll says the Daleks. Yeah, there's a massive
25:09
countdown in the last episode, Yeah.
25:12
Termination loves the countdown, don't it?
25:14
Well, I mean, it's a good way of creating suspense, don't you
25:17
think? Absolutely.
25:19
Absolutely. Actually, I do.
25:21
Now, before I say this, you watch yourself, all right?
25:24
I do love the way that rocket emerges from that hole.
25:30
No, it's, it's a great little model show.
25:31
Actually, I think it works. It's it's got sort of
25:35
Thunderbirds energy to it, hasn't it?
25:37
But it's they are going all out on the on the model shots on
25:41
this. Like, I don't think we talk
25:42
about it enough, but I think the models are pretty damn good.
25:45
I think they've gone all out in the production of this.
25:48
Absolutely, considering it's only like three sets and it's
25:51
very enclosed. Like the model shots are great
25:54
that you know just here like with the countdown on screen
25:57
over the actors faces. Again, the cast is really good.
26:00
All the stop footage they use is really good.
26:02
It's it's. It's a tight production, even if
26:04
the logic of the plot doesn't hold together.
26:07
And sort of the person holding the purse strings is sort of to
26:10
the side going, do you know what, this is working.
26:13
We get a couple of sets, a couple of good actors throwing
26:16
some monsters and you know we're doing it all for £50.
26:21
Innis Lloyd is, you know, a fantastic producer of Doctor
26:24
Who. Like he does some really
26:25
interesting stuff. It doesn't always work, but he
26:28
he takes the show in a very interesting direction, I think.
26:31
But did it lose something because it did become a bit more
26:34
formulaic? Yes, yeah, I think potentially
26:37
it did. Yeah.
26:38
It wasn't as willing to expect. I feel like after the underwater
26:41
menace they just went let's not do anything too experimental
26:45
again because we really bulls that up.
26:48
Although I am a fan of underwater menace.
26:50
More countdowns. So Daniel says.
26:52
Doesn't 5 doctors have a sort of countdown for the cyber bomb?
26:55
And Mark Cockrum says Thunderbirds has the best ever
26:58
countdown in the opening. Time, of course. 5 Boom.
27:00
Well, I'll tell you what, I'll do that for episode 4.
27:06
Let well, let's line up episode 4 and we can get going straight
27:09
away with that. Excellent.
27:11
Oh, hang on. Brit Box takes a little while.
27:13
It pauses for a second. I see I've got my digital
27:16
versatile disc and I don't. I'm not a Brit Box guy.
27:21
I realised the only thing I watched on Brit Box was Doctor
27:24
Who that I have in several formats already.