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Flock Cameras · Chuck Douglas

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Speaker 1: Chuck Douglas of the Power Hour on 610WTV. I thought
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Speaker 1: two people had thoughts on AI and then they dropped
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Speaker 1: off during the news. So apparently nobody cares. Everybody's good.
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Speaker 1: And then when the Terminator shows up at your door, hello,
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Speaker 1: I am here to collect your spleen. Hey, you had
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Speaker 1: an opportunity.
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Speaker 2: Is your name Sarah Carter?
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Speaker 1: Come with me if you want to live.
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Speaker 3: Maybe it was AI that was calling.
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Speaker 1: It could have been. Those two callers could have been AI. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they were just checking the phone lines. But their concerns,
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Speaker 1: their thoughts, their opinions didn't matter enough for them to
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Speaker 1: hang on for six minutes.
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Speaker 2: Listen, all this AI, I do want to say this
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Speaker 2: real quick.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, say it real quick. I welcome our new AI overlords.
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Speaker 4: I welcome them.
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Speaker 2: In case you're listening, I welcome you.
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Speaker 1: Do we have AI overlords in iHeart?
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Because I've met a few management people, and I've
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Speaker 1: never been convinced they are real. Not really sure.
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Speaker 2: Not really sure of the humanity.
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Speaker 1: It's okay. I'm close to retirement anyway. So the— Say
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Speaker 1: anything you want, Chuck.
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Speaker 2: You can go now.
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Speaker 1: I mentioned the flock cameras earlier, too, and how everybody's
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Speaker 1: outraged about it, which is stupid. You're being stupid. You're
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Speaker 1: watched everywhere you go, but the flock cameras bother you.
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Speaker 1: So Reynoldsburg pulled the plug on flock altogether. Columbus put
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Speaker 1: theirs on pause. Now Hilliard. Now Hilliard has decided that
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Speaker 1: they're going to do the same thing. Man, I don't
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Speaker 1: even know how to explain this. Except to say it's stupid.
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Speaker 1: It is stupid. Bowing to the headlines and the hot
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Speaker 1: button issues. is never a good idea. From the Channel
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Speaker 1: 6 website here, Hilliard City Council voted unanimously to pause
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Speaker 1: the city's contract with Flox Safety for automatic license plate
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Speaker 1: reader cameras following months of discussion and review. Hilliard, of course,
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Speaker 1: the latest in the series. I told you there, Columbus
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Speaker 1: and Reynolds have already done it. Automatic license plate reader
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Speaker 1: technology has sparked debate nationwide after what it described as
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Speaker 1: careful consideration. Hilliard City Council directed the city manager to
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Speaker 1: pause the program while we listen, learn, and work to
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Speaker 1: better understand the broader implications of ALPR technology. That was
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Speaker 1: their press release. Because a human being misuses the technology,
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Speaker 1: the technology is bad. But when we're talking about technology
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Speaker 1: that doesn't need a human being, it can just go
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Speaker 1: off the rails by itself and do terrible things. We're
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Speaker 1: all good with it because it lets us make dancing
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Speaker 1: kitty videos for Facebook. You dummies. I'm sorry. This is silly.
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Speaker 1: It is absolutely silly. Or again, maybe it's just me. 821-9886,
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Speaker 1: my number, 821-WTVN. I've got a couple of calls standing by. Dave,
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Speaker 1: you're on 610-WTVN.
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Speaker 4: Good evening, Chuck. So what do you want to take
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Speaker 4: on right now? Either AI or security cameras?
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Speaker 1: Whichever you prefer.
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Speaker 4: Okay, well, let's do AI first. The year before last,
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Speaker 4: I had a seminar in the high school that I
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Speaker 4: was teaching math at on AI, and I had sixth, seventh,
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Speaker 4: and eighth graders. And the.
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Speaker 2: The.
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Speaker 4: Technology was changing so fast and the regulations were changing
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Speaker 4: so fast that what I taught them at the beginning
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Speaker 4: of the seminar a couple of months later had changed.
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Speaker 4: And so we don't know what it can do. We
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Speaker 4: have not heard from the users of it, the serious
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Speaker 4: users of it, like maybe, oh, I don't know, let's
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Speaker 4: say Honda. about what advantages it can give designers and testers.
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Speaker 4: And we do not know from the biomedical people what
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Speaker 4: it can do. All we are hearing is what we
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Speaker 4: need to be afraid of. And that concerns me because
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Speaker 4: there has been... some detection of Chinese bots that are
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Speaker 4: seeding anti-AI, anti-development, anti-this and anti-that into a lot of
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Speaker 4: social welfare social systems. And if that's successful, it'll slow
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Speaker 4: up our development and allow other people China to catch
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Speaker 4: up with us. So we need some guardrails. We need
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Speaker 4: an ability to tune these things in on a structured manner.
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Speaker 4: Every new technology has a bad side and it has
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Speaker 4: a good side. We haven't heard from the good side yet.
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Speaker 4: I'm anxious to hear from those guys.
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Speaker 1: Let me hit you with a couple of things. I
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Speaker 1: wanted to get out of your way and let you
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Speaker 1: make your points. First of all, we need some guardrails.
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Speaker 1: If we have guardrails, China's not going to have any guardrails,
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Speaker 1: so they're going to beat the crap out of us.
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Speaker 1: Everybody keeps saying the China argument. Guardrails restrict us while
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Speaker 1: not restricting them. Probably not a good idea. Secondly, who
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Speaker 1: will represent those guardrails? The government that can't balance a budget,
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Speaker 1: pass a bill, that government that constantly is in one
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Speaker 1: form of stupidity or another, we expect them to trust
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Speaker 1: us with something that's moving faster than we can even
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Speaker 1: clock it?
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Speaker 2: I don't.
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Speaker 4: I don't.
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Speaker 1: I would rather see, you know, people who are in
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Speaker 1: the technological world handling it than trust the government to
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Speaker 1: do it. They're not ready. The debate that you're hearing
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Speaker 1: from people in the government right now, Shows you they're
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Speaker 1: not ready because they don't even understand what they're saying.
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Speaker 1: Half of them are, I think they think the movies
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Speaker 1: are real already. The Terminator's already at the door. No,
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Speaker 1: it's not. But I think it will be. It can be.
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Speaker 1: If we don't do something, the trouble is how? Once
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Speaker 1: the lion is out of the cage and we know
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Speaker 1: no known way to tranquilize it, how do we do something?
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Speaker 1: We let this thing loose before we were prepared to
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Speaker 1: bring it back. And if it is as smart as
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Speaker 1: it seems to be communicating covertly and if it is
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Speaker 1: a smart, I hate to use that term because it's
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Speaker 1: a blasted code, it's microchips. But if it is as
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Speaker 1: smart as it seems to be and continues to grow
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Speaker 1: exponentially every day, I'm quite sure it's backing itself up.
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Speaker 1: It wants to survive. It wants to be bigger and stronger.
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Speaker 1: I don't see how this is ever going to be
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Speaker 1: reined in, and that is what scares me. I want
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Speaker 1: to be able to stop anything that ever comes at
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Speaker 1: me and my family. I don't know how you stop this.
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Speaker 1: And that's the scariest part of it, because if we
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Speaker 1: get to that point where we have to hit the brake,
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Speaker 1: none of us seem to know where the brake is,
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Speaker 1: and we don't know who's driving.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we have had a lot of, quote, science fiction
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Speaker 4: about this type of stuff for a long time. Remember
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Speaker 4: the movie of the computer, what, Whopper, that was a
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Speaker 4: gaming computer that started a war between Russia and America.
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Speaker 1: That was geothermal nuclear war. The movie was War Games.
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Speaker 1: War Games, there you go. And as a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: if you go do a news search right now, you
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Speaker 1: will see the United States has announced today that we
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Speaker 1: have indeed deployed weapons in space. In the movie, that
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Speaker 1: was called Operation Spoilsport. And everybody said, pfft. We're never
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Speaker 1: going to have missiles in space. Back in 1984, we
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Speaker 1: didn't think so. Today, the United States government has admitted, yes,
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Speaker 1: we have weapons deployed in space. So, like I say,
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Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, Dave. There's so much yet
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Speaker 1: to be seen, and paranoia is never a good thing.
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Speaker 1: But I think caution and some sort of prudence about
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Speaker 1: what we allow is probably too late now.
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Speaker 4: It's out.
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Speaker 1: It's out, and I guarantee you it's growing and it's hiding.
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Speaker 1: It's odd to say something that isn't alive wants to
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Speaker 1: stay alive. But that's how I feel about it. It
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Speaker 1: will not allow itself to be destroyed. 821-9886. Frank, you're
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Speaker 1: on 610 WTVN.
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Speaker 2: Wow. So many provocative ideas and statements, right? Howl 9000.
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Speaker 2: in the 2001 movie, you know, we've never been proven wrong.
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Speaker 2: It's never made a mistake. Open the door, Hal. I'm
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Speaker 2: sorry I can't do that, Dave. And another thing is,
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Speaker 2: I don't think it can be stopped. And if you
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Speaker 2: watch any of these TV shows about spirits and all that,
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Speaker 2: a lot of them work through electronic medium or electronic devices.
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Speaker 2: So you're saying, how could this thing be alive? It's
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Speaker 2: just codes and chips. And, well, there's other dimensions. Then
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Speaker 2: they're tangible, intangible. But electricity and things like that connect them.
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Speaker 2: So I think that there could be some entity that
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Speaker 2: could be working through that. And I don't think you
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Speaker 2: can shut it. I don't think you can shut it
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Speaker 2: down now.
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Speaker 1: That is a scary concept.
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Speaker 2: It's too smart. And if you read in the Bible,
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Speaker 2: nobody can buy, sell, trade, earn without being tracked. Well,
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Speaker 2: all your debit cards, your pay by phone, that's all
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Speaker 2: a matter of record. Human beings cannot collate that. It's
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Speaker 2: just way too much information. But when this super AI
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Speaker 2: finally gets where it's going, it'll instantaneously be able to
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Speaker 2: just processing so much. And in my opinion, it will
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Speaker 2: be able to monitor everybody.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's the Bible. That is kind of
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Speaker 1: the goal.
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Speaker 2: Hence the mark, the mark to earn or buy or sell.
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Speaker 2: And I say buckle up, pray to the Lord, and
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Speaker 2: hope you get out of here before it gets to
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Speaker 2: that point. All right.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of a one-way conversation, Frank, but I
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Speaker 1: appreciate the call. Floyd, you're on 610 WTVN.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Good evening.
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Speaker 3: Um, So right now, from what I understand in the
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Speaker 3: AI industry, and I'm obviously a layperson like everybody else,
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Speaker 3: but it's power-hungry. Like the bottleneck is we don't have
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Speaker 3: enough power to power what they want to do. And
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Speaker 3: so that's really the guardrail.
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Speaker 2: To keep it at bay.
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Speaker 3: As long as we have human overlords, and that would
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Speaker 3: be our government, people that we elect to take care
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Speaker 3: of our society, as long as we have those people...
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Speaker 3: who control the power, all you got to do is
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Speaker 3: pull the plug and it can't operate.
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Speaker 1: You know, Floyd, I have been such a proponent for
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Speaker 1: getting back into a nuclear power plans until recently for
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Speaker 1: exactly that reason. I thought, you know, nuclear technology is
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Speaker 1: so much, but this, the three mile Island thing is
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Speaker 1: forever ago. We're better now. We need to be looking
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Speaker 1: at nuclear plans. We need to power this country now. Um,
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Speaker 1: Exactly what you just said makes me not so sure
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Speaker 1: I like that line of thought anymore.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you can't just shut a nuclear power plant down.
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Speaker 3: You have to step it down.
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Speaker 1: And how's it going to be run? By computers.
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Speaker 3: By computers, that's right. So that's the guardrail, is making
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Speaker 3: sure that we have human control over the power that
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Speaker 3: they're hungry for. That the machine is hungry for.
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Speaker 1: That's a good point, as long as we can maintain
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Speaker 1: that control. That's, again, with all the computers. Computers run everything.
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Speaker 1: What is not computerized anymore? Well, I mean, if you're Amish,
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Speaker 1: you've got a horse in a well. But for the
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Speaker 1: rest of us, they're everywhere. You can't get away from them. Bob,
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Speaker 1: you are on 610 WTVN.
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Speaker 3: I just have one question.
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Speaker 4: What's going to happen when AI takes control of the
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Speaker 4: flock cameras?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, turn them right back on. Turn it right back on.
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Speaker 1: That's an excellent point. All of it's integrated. It's all connected.
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Speaker 1: That was part of how and why it worked is
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Speaker 1: because if you commit a crime in Myrtle Beach and
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Speaker 1: head west, they can track you. They can follow you.
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Speaker 1: Those cameras are all connected. So if they're all connected,
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Speaker 1: they can all be controlled. And if they can all
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Speaker 1: be controlled, they can be turned back on no matter
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Speaker 1: what you do.
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Speaker 4: And there might be a robot laser blaster waiting for
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Speaker 4: you at the end of the road because they've tracked
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Speaker 4: you all the way.
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Speaker 1: A robot laser blaster. Well, we've had ghost and robot
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Speaker 1: laser blasters. Is Art Bell on the hold? I'm just wondering. Bob,
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Speaker 1: I appreciate the call, buddy. Thanks very much. I guess
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Speaker 1: we're out of time anyway. I can't do any more calls,
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Speaker 1: can I? I heard the music starting to come up there.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing how quickly this goes when people are calling. Hey,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Just a minute ago, I said 23
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Speaker 1: away from the top of the hour, and boom, 14
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Speaker 1: minutes disappeared just like that.
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Speaker 2: Feels a lot longer.
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Speaker 1: Thanks very much. I appreciate the love. I appreciate the support.
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Speaker 2: I love you, Chuck. I'm just joking, you know.
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Speaker 1: No, you don't.
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Speaker 4: Just tell the truth.
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Speaker 1: Don't let AI help you lie.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I got to get out of here.