Latest / AHA Podcast / They're Still Here: Simone Devenny on Rex, McKel & the Signs That Connect Us (ep 11)
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- Ali Andrus - AHA Podcast: is kind enough to be with us today to share her story. And she lives in Spain but is ⁓ visiting Italy right now. it's evening for her and just starting the day for me. And what a treat Okay. How are you? I'm great. Thanks. How are you? I'm so excited to be here and to meet you in person today. In person. Yeah. Virtually in person. Thanks so much for doing this. ⁓ how's your day been? It's it's just starting for me and just Toward the end for you. It's toward the end for me. It's been good. We spent the day out ⁓ at the beach today. So really nice. And ⁓ it's a beautiful day here in Italy. And yeah, it's warm, but no complaints. ⁓ gorgeous day. We saw a couple peacocks today, so that was fun. I love it. Yeah, beautiful. It's really beautiful. We're out here in the countryside, which is really nice, but ⁓ Yeah, it's just so great to meet you. You'll be in Europe soon enough, right? Hopefully we'll get to see you while you're here. I would love that. I'm so excited. Okay, so ⁓ first I just wanna say, you know, Ali, you and I just met, I think it was last week or maybe the week before. I'm gonna put my glasses on so I can see you. and I felt really fortunate to come I it was your Instagram and your podcast and and to read a little bit about your story and of the spiritual connections that you were having. And the more I read about what you were writing or talking about and went, you know, kind of digging around and learned a little bit about McKel more I felt like we were guided to each other. And I think part of the reason we talked about this, when I started to kind of click through and see that ⁓ McKel, I don't know if you call it an angel versary, but we do, her passing date was is the same as my birthday. as and I get to know each other more, I'm sure you'll know about all the signs that I believe that I have doubt are not coincidences. And so ⁓ just really ⁓ thrilled meet you as much as you know it's sort of that that thing you hear all the time about the club nobody ⁓ no parent wants to be part of. ⁓ I actually even hate saying that. I hate saying it. I do too. ⁓ I do too. The first time I heard that I hated it and and I'm like, but it it is true. I mean it's totally true. And it is, ⁓ and in some ways I think, you know, like with anything, if we look at it for its gifts, right? I have met some incredible people ⁓ adding you to this group of people. And as as, you know, we ⁓ suffer and share the suffering, it also ⁓ brings us much more understanding and actually wisdom and joy. I mean, joy's a tough one, but ⁓ but really being able to an understanding that goes beyond I think what had before and ⁓ and to celebrate just, ⁓ you the incredible ⁓ gifts we are getting ⁓ being part of this club and the understanding and wisdom that we're getting. Yeah, ⁓ absolutely. I to think That our kids on the other side, like you said, they're arranging this, and you and I got to talk about kind of the cool things that our kids have done. And ⁓ you're just you're lighting up. Like you're not, I know that was weird. I'm just moving I didn't nothing ⁓ happen. Yeah. cool things that we share, I have to add to your story, even about when you reached out on Instagram, because there were so many little synchronicities that happened there. it's just too many to be coincidence. And I thought, ⁓ you know what? I really think our kids knew, we needed to meet, we needed to talk, we needed to share our stories. And even our kids have so many ⁓ similar personality traits and were just kids. yeah. Totally, totally. And that was, you know, I think I shared with you, I mean, yes, yes to all of that. And actually, part of What drew me to you and to wanting to reach out and connect is that, you know, since Rex passed which has been about three and a half years, I've been saying, ⁓ gosh, I to get out there and I have to tell this story. I have to tell these stories because it is just too Like what we have seen is too incredible. And ⁓ even though I you now, right, ⁓ for certain, we are so certain that. you know, his energy is there in communication with us and around us and able to do these incredible things. almost like living in a Harry Potter movie. but but you know, I haven't yet had the chance to do that. And so when I saw that you were doing this, I really wanted to reach out and connect because I do think the same thing that, has brought you to doing work and I think it's incredibly meaningful work is that, you know, I mean, I'm looking at you right now and I can, you know, I'm you're so beautiful, really. And I'm sorry to cry, but and I know that ⁓ I'm sorry, but really you're so beautiful and you have like this peaceful, just sort of angelic look about you. ⁓ I think the energy that comes through, and I know ⁓ ⁓ that your loss has been actually quite recent, even relative to mine, and ⁓ and I think that what my hope is and what I do feel in just seeing you in person is that, the gifts that our children continue to give us allow us ⁓ to to live with in a way that is actually remarkable and so different from I think what any of us would have ever expected. You think I could never, I could never survive that. ⁓ And so to actually only be surviving it, but to be ⁓ seeing life through a lens and maybe a more special lens and ⁓ and you know, what a gift it is. And to, have our eyes open to that, I think, ⁓ is incredible thing. And so I do feel like ⁓ you and both have been given this gift. And and so sharing it with those who can't see it yet, because we all have it if our eyes are open. I believe that. And so I think that our special our special kids are ⁓ out there helping us to get the message out that it's really all okay, you know? You're speaking such truth. It's like ⁓ me chills and bringing tears, all the stuff. yeah, I wanna ⁓ I jump in already and share because it's just such a cool thing when we were talking about this before. About ⁓ I was telling my story about McKel and how I knew for sure, because it was so obvious, and I wasn't a believer before this happened to me that. You would hear kind of stories, but I thought, ⁓ they're just wanting to to hear that. But when you experience it, it's so undeniable. And for me, was the electrical thing. It was the lights and the fans. And heard your story and you even sent me a video of it. And I can even share that on this if you if you let me. But Yeah, it was so incredible because even your chandelier looked a lot like our chandelier. That's cra that was crazy too. It was crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And for me, it was after her celebration, ⁓ and we home ⁓ ⁓ and daughter, older daughter was screaming with delight because it's never done it before. It's a fairly new house, and the light and fan was just on and off, on and off, on and off, and it wasn't subtle. It was like you the fan would go full speed and then it would completely shut off and then it would go the other direction and the lights would just go on crazy. And we out and then a giant fan does it and then ⁓ another light does it. it was like ⁓ all right after her and and every so often we get little glimpses of that still. Not it not as often. I feel like we get more subtle signs now. It was like one at the beginning, like, No, I really want you to know that I'm still around to get you as a believer. And now it's almost like playing a game trying to find all the communication. ⁓ yeah, I want you to share yours too 'cause it's No, I love that story so much. I love it. And you there are a couple of things I think I share with you. I mean, that's incredible. And I do, you know, we can continue on this, but like You know, so I had ⁓ there were a number of years, I had never actually lost somebody very close. And then starting it in ⁓ Christmas of twenty seventeen, I a very, very dear friend and then my father passed away, and then it was sort of like this sequence of just people passing away around me. And ⁓ but what's is right when the first one who was my close friend, ⁓ I had always felt like I know this is gonna sound crazy, so Anyway, I'd always felt like I had a gift ⁓ in many ways of of ⁓ understanding things that I couldn't explain, right? And so when my friend passed away, his name was Kevin, he was very special too, of course. And ⁓ remember right after that happened, he passed suddenly and unexpectedly. ⁓ I remember thinking, Okay, well, ⁓ gonna have to help his family figure this out because I know that he'll be able to communicate with me. I remember thinking that, right? Wow. And this this ⁓ and so I went to the library like the day after Christmas and I pulled out every book on how to communicate with spirits, right? Like I know that sounds I know this sounds crazy. So just sounds crazy to me anymore, just so you know. And I think I think anybody who's listening to this, ⁓ who is a griever or has lost someone or is looking for an answer, I hope that this brings some I think that's what you're doing for people. So anyway, so I went to the library and ⁓ And I pulled out all these books and and read them. And and one of them was about, you know, how to communicate with someone who's passed. And it said, Okay, here's an exercise that you can do. And and, I remember I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna do it. Right. And so now my friend had passed away on Christmas Day. Okay. And so this was probably two or three days later after I've read the books, and I remember sitting under the Christmas tree in my living room, family room. With my children sitting in front of me and my husband. And I said, I want you guys to watch this because I'm going to reach out and communicate somehow. I I read the book. I got this. I'm gonna figure it out, right? And so in this book it said, pull any book off off your bookshelf. Just pull a book off the bookshelf. Don't look at what it is, just take one and just sit down with that book and close your eyes and open the book to a page and read the first thing that you see on that page that, you know. And so I was like, Okay, you know, here we go. I swear I have witnesses and I have skeptical witnesses. Okay. So but now they believe. So so I open the book. I open the book and the sentence, the first sentence that I read, it says, My release date was December twenty fifth. that was like, just yeah. And so that was the beginning, that was one Of that was my first big lesson. I always say my first very clear lesson in the language of spirit. And that went on on and on. And then my father passed away. But I remember Kevin, who was very, very ⁓ in communication with me, with his sister, with his family. I mean, we could all, you'll have to have Kelly here too to talk about this. ⁓ but remember ⁓ that would wake up and ⁓ and it was very clear to me that he was saying, you know, Simone, you have to watch the electrical. Things. You have to watch the things we can do, you know? ⁓ and so then sort of fast forward, ⁓ is the chandelier story. So ⁓ who was just an incredible, ⁓ very different, very different person. Okay. So really unique, had an incredibly different way of seeing the world. And it actually, when he was a child, it was really hard for me to understand him. And then I realized it was because he was teaching us something we didn't understand. And I really believe this. And so, he is ⁓ at point he's like maybe sixteen and he's like kind of a skater kid and super chill, know, certainly not someone who's interested in interior design, I can tell you that. but I had this new chandelier. And this chandelier was like a very we lived in kind of a antique kind of Tuscan, my daughter says ⁓ Tuscan Mom or whatever, some ridiculous thing, but ⁓ ⁓ so I kind of wanted an update. And so I got this this new chandelier, which was a very modern sort of contemporary these glass things, just a cool chandelier. And so ⁓ install the thing, and I remember Rex comes home and he just goes ⁓ and on. Like for a kid who would never say anything about anything like this, ⁓ like, That chandelier is so great. That chandelier. ⁓ Is the best thing you've ever bought. It makes such a difference in this house. And he just went, it was a very strange, ⁓ kind of out-of-character thing. And I was like, ⁓ that's awesome. He likes it. Well, this is the story. So we heard your chandelier story. I mean, ⁓ think hear people before it happens to us, you hear people talk about this. ⁓ the lights were flickering. And you're like, yeah, right. So the lights were flickering. Like lights flicker all the time, right? It's easy to say lights flicker all the time or ⁓ you saw a butterfly. Well, butterflies are everywhere. you know, you can just discount it as ⁓ just like any skeptic when someone goes to a medium or a psychic and they say, Well, they know how to read the room and that applies to everybody. So I think for me, the important I think you and I both and everyone who's been through this can tell dozens or hundreds of stories of the things that they see. ⁓ And many of those A skeptic could say, know, ⁓ must be awful to be a grieving parent and to see things that don't exist, right? So this is where I want to stand on top of a mountain and say, like, ⁓ why don't you follow along with the lives of people who have just lost someone and watch ⁓ some of these incredible things. So in the case of Rex, and I think I didn't tell you this first part. So the first chandelier. there were actually two chandelier stories. The first was the day before his memorial happened to be the day of the Super Bowl. we used to have a Super Bowl party every year. and year, of course, it was very different that year because it was ⁓ we preparing for his memorial and ⁓ but still have everybody everybody there. And ⁓ the Eagles were playing and and my husband's family are Eagles fans and the Eagles were losing. And so things started happening. Like the first thing that happened is the Eagles were losing and The giant TV that has never had a problem ever and is up on the wall over here just starts changing the channels. So all the channels are changing. So the game is totally scrambled. You have an entire room full of people from Philadelphia there to watch the game in grief, trying to get through this moment, and the TV is scrambling things. And then you hear, Well, who's sitting on the remote control? Right? Like who's sitting on the remote control? Of course, nobody was sitting on the remote control. ⁓ that was happening in the dining room where the food was, ⁓ So all the channels are changing. So the game is totally scrambled. You have an entire room full of people from Philadelphia there to watch the game in grief, trying to get through this moment, and the TV is scrambling things. And then you hear, Well, who's sitting on the remote control? Right? Like who's sitting on the remote control? Of course, nobody was sitting on the remote control. ⁓ as that was happening in the dining room where the food was, ⁓ the chandelier starts just going crazy. so these things kind of like your fan in this room and fan in that room. So this is just unbelievable. And I think to your point of the signs kind of being in the very important immediate time of transition or as we perceive loss, right? I think they're very active. And I think especially in the case when it is a sudden or unexpected ⁓ departure, right? So the chandelier starts just going crazy. So this is just unbelievable. It's like, wait a minute, didn't get to say goodbye, have to explain that I'm okay. Have to have to let them know that I made it safe. I made it safe to where I am. And I think that they are very active during that time to make sure that we understand it. And I think there is kind of this desperate like, I have to let them know before I go the rest of the way. That's how I see it. and then at least in our case, so there were tons of things like that going on. ⁓ and then they started to kind of ease up a little bit, but then they started coming on the special days. And so my chandelier story, the big one, ⁓ that it was Mother's Day. So Rex ⁓ passed it on ⁓ at the end of January, so January twenty ninth. And the first Mother's Day was sometime obviously in early May. And ⁓ know, as a mother, you and I both know, and anyone else who's watching this, Mother's Day is difficult, but the first Mother's Day is ⁓ I don't even know. Right. So, sorry. No apologies. You know. ⁓ so anyway, so it's Mother's Day and my goes out and we also have ⁓ a nanny. She's not even a nanny, she's like my sister, she's lived with us for twenty two years. She raised our we raised our kids together. and ⁓ she's I'm there, my husband goes out and comes back with all these flowers and he's trying to make it nice. And so under the chandelier, the chandelier, right, in the entryway, we have a round table and I've put pictures of the kids and pictures of Rex there, right? ⁓ and so Norma, who's the nanny and I go to start, you know, putting these flower arrangements on that table because it's Mother's Day and, you know, we've got this, right? And and I to on the light ⁓ and it just with ⁓ it was just incredible. It was a show ⁓ I mean, to the point where and it w and it was nothing that made sense the way these lights were working. This was not a flickering light. This was like a dance of the lights. This one went on. And to the you know, we were wondering like, is it Morse code? I mean, it could have been. I don't know if you've ever seen. I always confuse the movies if it's interstellar or the other one where there's like behind the book, but anyway. so anyway, so and that that was one, right? So just an incredible thing. And we were so certain and it's such a gift. And then the next thing that happened, not the next, because there were so many But ⁓ on Father's Day, and so of course we're like Rex, how are you gonna one up this one? You gotta do something for dad, right? So on Father's Day, my husband had a car, it's a convertible with a hardtop. Rex had actually helped to choose that car. He loved that car, he used to love to drive it. There's a whole connection between Rex and this car and my husband. And and so that morning on Father's Day, we were going to go out. And so we walk out to the garage on Father's Day morning. And the hard top of this car is halfway open. Like you can't even have it halfway open if you try. There's a button. It's not like one where you push it and hold it until it's all the way down. You push the button, it opens or closes. It does not open halfway. ⁓ so of course, you know, and and because look, I mean, you and I, I think are very sane and reasonable people. And so no matter how many times you see these things, at least in the beginning, and I don't even know the beginning could be a lifetime of a the beginning, but you just go like I seeing things it's really like now I'm really losing it. Like now I have crossed over into like the land of the people who wander around, just totally out of touch with reality. And then so I look my husband and we're just kind of standing there he's like, Hold on. And so he starts yelling to our son Jack, you know, Jack, did you, ⁓ did you touch the car? Who has the car keys? Who's been in the Like, ⁓ and everybody comes out and they're like, No. and so again, those are two stories ⁓ hundreds, hundreds that we have experienced and continue to experience. I know you have too. I think that are our guides. They are ⁓ when we need them. ⁓ and like to believe ⁓ that when we don't and we're well, that they are doing so well where they are. I the the analogy that I use is it's almost like you know, a kid who goes off to college, right? So they're leaving at the airport saying goodbye to their friends and everybody's crying and we don't know how we're gonna live without you. And then the kid gets it reminds me of my own story, you get to school on the other side of the country and you miss home so much, and everybody's just missing, right? And so, ⁓ who misses the most? It's the people who are left at home, right? They miss the one who left. And the one who left. They start off by calling. I'm gonna call you every Friday. I'm gonna call home every Friday and I'm gonna see what's going on with all of you and I'll see you at Thanksgiving and I'll see you at Christmas and all that. And then eventually the person who's off at college is like having so much fun that they, ⁓ suddenly there's like a conflict on a Friday because they're out with some new friends and life is so good. And like, you know, this is and it's it's there's it's good, right? It's not a growing apart. They're always there, they always love you, and they're also experiencing something that is so beautiful that they just need to check in with us and make sure we're okay when we need them, but they know we are. So that's my belief. And I know that's what he wants us to know. And I know that's what McKel wants you to know. I I'm talking so much, but one last thing I just want to say. So good. When I first looked at story and I looked at McKel, it's like when I just said to you, this is the first time I'm seeing you in person, right? And so I feel This very calm, beautiful energy about you. And when I looked at the photos of McKel, there was something there that to me it looked like Rex to me. And I don't think not how she looked, maybe, but maybe how she looked out at the world, the way her expression ⁓ the way that she saw things. I just felt that they were so similar. And And the more moms and families and siblings and parents and friends I meet of you know, young people who have left us early, ⁓ lot of them seem to have that common thread running through them and you can see it in them. It's like a peace or an understanding that they even have. I don't I don't know how to say it, but I think it's something really special. And I think they are special and and ⁓ I a hundred percent agree with you. And I've felt that too as I've talked with other moms and I've seen that in other other kids as I've watched other people's things and you feel this connection because it's like ⁓ my gosh, there's something different about that child. And it's like have a childlike essence while they're here, but like an old soul somehow. I don't know. Yeah. Totally. It's it's it's just a very different type of being than the normal person that you're used to. I don't know how to say it without sounding like nuts. No, I know. They it and a deep empathy and love and zest for life and curiosity and like they're teaching us. That's what it feels like. ⁓ And think that's what they were here for. I really believe. And I think sorry, I I yeah. Going Not to interrupt you. No, I was just going to say the other thing that I think you and I talked about. and I know that not everybody wants to hear this or chooses, people believe differently, but something that has helped me, and ⁓ it's really something I feel in my soul, is that, you know, ⁓ don't believe that any of our children left ⁓ day earlier than they were supposed to leave. That was they were here for that time and that purpose, and they accomplished. accomplished everything they were here to accomplish. I fully believe that that is true about anyone who who ⁓ on to the next ⁓ level or or ⁓ know plane or or energetic however we want to think about it. you hear a lot of parents who are grievers like we are, but where they seem to get stuck is it should have never happened or I could have prevented it. course that ⁓ the guilt that you know Or read a lot they should be graduating high school or they should be getting married or they should be. And I just want to say, like, I think we should reframe that because I don't think any of that is true. I think what is true is that they were here exactly as they were meant to be here and they left exactly when they were meant to and as they were meant to, and all of that. And there's no They fulfilled all of the potential that they came here to fulfill. I believe that wholeheartedly. So I don't know if that helps anyone or ⁓ people are gonna be mad to hear that. But something to reflect on. I love that you shared that because I feel the same way, but it did take me time to get to that point. Like initially I I was in that should've. And every once in a while on my dark days, I get that guilt or ⁓ if I would have done this or if this would have happened, maybe it would have. been different, but but I've found that deep in my soul, my soul knows. Like my heart knows the truth. It's just like my human brain gets in the I'm just gonna say we are human after all. Yeah. It's okay. I'm still human, so I still go there at times, but but I definitely wholeheartedly believe that that it was their time, that they they had a plan, their soul had a plan. We're here for this amount of time and I believe that for me, McKel's transition was really to awaken me, to teach me all these things. There's no way I would be down this path if I hadn't experienced. There's no way I would have met people like you. I how am I talking to someone in Italy right now and share so much in common? This would have never happened to me. It's it's a gift. It is a gift. And and I think that, you know, like I said, I'm I'm so happy to be here talking with you. I know, like I did put this funny space background on because I think like it and I feel like it works for this. But but really do feel, that we are all being given a gift of seeing things, I think the world needs to hear these stories. And I think, they've always been out there, right? They've always been there, but either there was no platform for disseminating them. Like, you you hear about people and they're like, my God, I went to the library like I did and read every book that there is about signs or near death experiences or past lives or whatever your cho your choice of ⁓ spiritual literature or grief coping whatever. ⁓ but it's been actually pretty limited. And if you talk to people, right, there there are a handful of books or NDE stories that everybody read. ⁓ right. It's like many lives, many masters, and ⁓ then you have all the Elizabeth Kubler Ross on the grief and you know, and it's it's a very small universe of information that's been out there. And I think now beauty is is that we do have this platform to share the stories. Like I think we have to build something where every single person can just put their proof up there. Let's just put the proof all in one place, you know? Yeah. ⁓ love that you're saying all this because it needs to get out there and you're so right. And I I feel like like that's why I'm doing this. I wanna kinda normalize being able to talk about these things and talk about death and grief and not like it's this I mean, it is a horrible thing, believe me. It's horrible and it's painful and all that. It's painful, but let's not say horrible. We shouldn't say horrible. We can reframe it. Exactly, exactly. That's so perfectly said. And I think if we have such a fear around it and the way that we treat it, like you can't talk about it and ⁓ I don't know what to say when that's happened, instead of spreading the information that no, they're not gone. Because that if you don't know that, it's very traumatic. And if we just normalize that and people understood that, I mean, I didn't even know after the light thing happened for me, I couldn't understand because I thought, ⁓ maybe I've Seen that on a movie or something, but like is this a thing? Where is this coming from? And I started Googling and I'm like, ⁓ okay, here's a like it should be common knowledge. ⁓ Everyone should right, ⁓ exactly. And I don't know, right. It's like, and and I will tell you, like in our experience, we had incredible gifts. Like people came to us and helped us so much. And the day after this happened, or maybe it was the same day. We had multiple people. We I know that Rex was getting through. So first of all, Rex knew that I was already very open to these things, and as was he when he was here. we had multiple people coming through. We had like a Hindu monk come and tell us exactly the messages he was getting. We had other mediums who were calling friends of friends saying, We're getting this message coming through. I mean, there are dozens of things we we could talk about this forever. ⁓ but But I can say that in, I think both of our shared experience with this, have given us this gift of allowing us to see and understand ⁓ and a peace with this, not to say that's not painful, which of course it is, but it is painful and also beautiful. It is ⁓ you know, we are experiencing the the total duality of the thing, right? Life and death and grief and joy and all of that, but ⁓ in very different way that allows us to be grateful for it. I think, right? And to be and to be it's enriching the way that we live the rest of our lives and also what we bring to those in our community and what you're doing here is just awesome. I it. You for being part of this and willing to share all your story. It's it's amazing. I am so happy. And I know ⁓ Sorry, I've talked so much. No, that's the point. ⁓ I want hear you talk. That's good. Okay. Well, I think this is ⁓ truly, truly great. I I'd love to collaborate with you in so many ways. Like I think This is the beginning of I hope something even bigger. And know you're gonna have tremendous success with this, but to the extent that I can help you with anything, please let me. good. Thank you so much for sharing ⁓ and for about Rex. Like I thank you and thank you for. I feel like I'm falling in love with all these kids on the other side that I've never met physically. And I'm like, I just love your son. Yeah, he doesn't know me. But I'm a big love fest all over the place. We love them all and they love us right back. So I am so grateful, Ali, really. And ⁓ please keep touch and let me know. We'll see you hopefully in Spain. I don't know. Keep in touch. Okay. All right. Thanks so much. ⁓ Have good day. All right. Bye. Bye. Hello and welcome to the AHA podcast. I am your host Ali, and today I'm going to introduce a very special guest. Her name is Simone Devenny, Simone and I share something in common that we both have children on the other and we're part of the club that no one wants be as they say. But I want to share the story of how we came to each other because I think it's really cool. algorithm showed her something about McKel that struck her as reminding her of her son. And so she reached out, sent me a message, and then later I got another from her that said, I just realized that it looks like McKel's angel versary, which is 12th, is my birthday, which is crazy. what are the chances? ⁓ January 12th also happens to be my dad's birthday, but the coincidences actually continued from there ⁓ so ⁓ McKel was into and to visit national parks and we had this water bottle where we were putting stickers as we would go to each national park. And after she passed, we've decided to the and last year we went to Glacier and we spread some of her ashes. And this year we were on where we were gonna go. My older daughter had just picked Joshua Tree National Park in California. And so we felt good about that. I felt really good. I had just talked to McKel's dad about okay, let's do Joshua Park. And it was right after That I see this message from Simone I thought, ⁓ I'm gonna click on her profile and who this person is that's reaching out. And I kind of scroll through some photos, randomly pick ⁓ one, and this beautiful photo of Joshua Tree Park. And the even weirder part. ⁓ After that was that I looked at the date of the post and it was November 10th, which is McKel's dad's birthday, who I was just literally talking about our plan to go to Joshua. So so many coincidences. and then I Simone where are you? Because I thought, maybe, maybe she's out in California. No, she lives in Spain. and also I already had ⁓ a cruise booked with Geisemann the Awakened Way cruise in September. So I was planning on going to Spain. I've never been to Spain. Super excited about it. And what are the chances someone in Spain would reach out? And so that's How Simone and I came to know each other, and I'm coming to know. her son Rex. I'm so glad that she's willing to share her experiences. ⁓ talked a couple of weeks ago and had so much fun going over all the signs that our kids are giving us and how special our children are. we feel like they share many traits in common and they're probably friends and probably arranged this. And I think that's true of so many of these angel moms I So I am incredibly grateful. This is one of the gifts grief ⁓ is being able to start meeting ⁓ others see you, who have this gift to be able to believe and see beyond the veil. it's such a beautiful thing to witness. And so I'm so grateful to to have here. And you're gonna hearing her story and hearing about Rex and some fun things that Rex has done. Okay, Simone Devenny, everyone. Welcome.