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Gorgeous SC co-ed gets into wrong car, her dismembered body just found by turkey hunters · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. She had, in fact, summoned
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Speaker 1: an Uber was waiting for that Uber ride to come.
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Speaker 1: You hear about all these horrible things happening on the news,
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Speaker 1: and you just don't expect it to be one of
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Speaker 1: the kids growing up with children, or her family rushing
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Speaker 1: from New Jersey down to South Carolina as soon as
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Speaker 1: they learned that she was missing. We believe she simply
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Speaker 1: mistakenly got into this particular car thinking it was an
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Speaker 1: Uber ride. It's just sickening, sickening. I am just heart sick,
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Speaker 1: heart sick over what we believe has happened in South Carolina.
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Speaker 1: South Carolina. Co ed seemingly gets into a car she
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Speaker 1: thinks is her Uber and then hours later, this beautiful
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Speaker 1: twenty one year old girl, Samantha Josephson is found dead.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. We want justice First. To Robin Willinski
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Speaker 1: joining me Crime Online dot com investigative reporter and author
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Speaker 1: of Beautiful Life cs High behind the Casey Anthony trial
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Speaker 1: on Amazon, Robin, when I first saw the photo and
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Speaker 1: it shows her, there's a video, it shows her walking out,
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Speaker 1: probably from a bar, restaurant. She's out with all of
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Speaker 1: her friends. They're all co eds. She walks up to
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Speaker 1: a car. She seemingly, as she opens the door says something.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now. It looks like she
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Speaker 1: speaks or says something, and she gets in an interesting
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Speaker 1: it's not just her. The car stops. The car sees
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Speaker 1: her on the corner and it stops and it lets
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Speaker 1: her get in. It's not like she up to a
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Speaker 1: car zooming past and waved it down. This car comes
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Speaker 1: up to her and stops. And I mean, Robin, you know,
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Speaker 1: when you get off a plane and you go out
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Speaker 1: to your car or your cab or whatever you're doing.
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Speaker 1: There's a huge throng of people at ground transportation. They're
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Speaker 1: all waiting on lift and Uber they're all waiting on that.
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Speaker 1: So everybody knows. Now when people are just standing there
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Speaker 1: at the corner, they're waiting on a ride. He knew that.
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Speaker 1: He had to know, Robin. Let's just start at the beginning.
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Speaker 1: What happened. Well, you know, Nancy, she's a senior. She
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Speaker 1: was going to graduate in a couple of weeks. She
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Speaker 1: is a beautiful, beautiful girl, full scholarship to go to
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Speaker 1: law school at Drecful in Philadelphia, was going to be
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Speaker 1: closer to home. She's from New Jersey. She's out with
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Speaker 1: a couple of friends at a bar, a bird Dog bar,
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Speaker 1: and this is it's beyond belief that it's so random.
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Speaker 1: You know. She calls the Uber. She thinks that that's
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Speaker 1: the guy because, like you say, he slowed down. And
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Speaker 1: what do you say when you get into the Uber?
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Speaker 1: I take Uber all the time, and you get it
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Speaker 1: and you say, hey, are you the Uber driver? And
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Speaker 1: the person in the front says yeah, yeah, but you
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Speaker 1: can see the One thing that strikes me about this
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Speaker 1: is that Uber and Lift it's competitor. The drivers nowadays
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Speaker 1: have the neon sign or the sticker in the front window.
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Speaker 1: And this video is very, very clear to the eye.
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Speaker 1: And I think at that hour of the night, one
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Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning, maybe she didn't look to
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Speaker 1: see the sticker and just trust it. Well, I just
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Speaker 1: called the Uber and now the drivers arrived. I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at her right now. She looks like natural and wholesome
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Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian. She's gorgeous. She got the long black hair
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Speaker 1: that it looks like a perfect smile and yes, let
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Speaker 1: me introduce my All Star panel with me, Kathleen Murphy,
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Speaker 1: North Carolina family and divorced lawyer Karen Smith from the
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Speaker 1: Florida Jurisdictions, forensics expert. When I say expert, I mean it,
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Speaker 1: renowned medical examiner, author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide from
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Speaker 1: This Jurisdiction, doctor Michelle Dupree, and forensic psychiatrist doctor Daniel Bober.
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Speaker 1: We've all looked at the video. We've all looked at her.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm curious what you think, doctor Bober, because
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Speaker 1: think about it, and this isn't right, it's wrong. But
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Speaker 1: I do it too. When I'm taking an uber or
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Speaker 1: a lift, I'm working, okay, And when I'm working, I'm two.
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Speaker 1: My head is in my work, I'm on the phone,
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Speaker 1: I'm sending emails, I'm reading texts. I mean, it's NonStop,
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Speaker 1: wake up and get from zero to one fifty just
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Speaker 1: like that. And I'm not focusing on Wow, could this
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Speaker 1: guy be a killer? A car pulls up, opened the door.
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Speaker 1: He looks like he looks like he's expecting me. I go,
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Speaker 1: are you Ober? They go, yeah, I hop in. If
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Speaker 1: you look at this video, doctor Bober, she's totally unassuming.
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Speaker 1: She has no idea. What's happening, doctor Bober? How do
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Speaker 1: we put on blinders? I mean, because I do the
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Speaker 1: same thing, Bober, because Nancy, you believe that it's not
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Speaker 1: going to happen to you. And all you're thinking is
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Speaker 1: I just want to ride home and it's late at night.
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Speaker 1: I've seen this scam even here in Florida. You know,
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Speaker 1: there's a line of Uber drivers, and so a couple
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Speaker 1: of cars will slip in there aren't really Uber, and
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Speaker 1: you get into the car and you don't think twice
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Speaker 1: about it, but you know they always tell you to
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Speaker 1: check the tag, the make and model of the car,
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Speaker 1: and the driver's name and make sure it all matches up.
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Speaker 1: And who's thinking that exactly? All you're thinking about is
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Speaker 1: I want to get from point A to point and
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Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about whether this driver is even the
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Speaker 1: correct driver, much less a killer. So I think it's
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Speaker 1: just human nature, you know. Joining me also out in
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Speaker 1: La my partner in crime, Alan Duke here in the
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Speaker 1: studio Jackie Howard Alan. I love LA. I love California.
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Speaker 1: My sister lives in California with her family. But when
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Speaker 1: I'm in La, not because of LA. Don't take it
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Speaker 1: the wrong way, Alan Duke, I'm miserable because I'm away
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Speaker 1: from my twins. I could be anywhere away from them,
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Speaker 1: and I'm miserable, and five five hours in the air
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Speaker 1: away from them. So when I'm in California and I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to get an uber because it's hard. You don't
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Speaker 1: just go out on the street and raise your arm
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Speaker 1: and a taxi drives up. Like in New York. Out there,
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Speaker 1: you kind of have to plan it. They don't have
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Speaker 1: taxis just swarming the streets, so you have to get
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Speaker 1: your car, get your ride. And I am so anxious
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Speaker 1: when I'm there in your hometown because I want to
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Speaker 1: do my business and get on that plane and get
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Speaker 1: back to the twins. Would probably crawl in, you know,
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Speaker 1: a semi thinking it was an uber, you know, because
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Speaker 1: the car pulls up. Everybody's crazy driving in La. You
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Speaker 1: pull up, a car slows out of course it's a neighbor.
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Speaker 1: Who else would slow down in La? Nobody. Yeah, they're
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Speaker 1: everywhere here. I mean this weekend, I called an uber
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Speaker 1: to get my daughter and grandkids over for the weekend.
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Speaker 1: That's how common we use it. My wife had a
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Speaker 1: situation in Beverly Hills, where she was driving through in
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Speaker 1: her car, which is a nice black car. Somebody jumped
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Speaker 1: into the back seat. It was a guy apparently high
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Speaker 1: on drugs who thought it was his uber here lording.
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Speaker 1: He wouldn't get out until she called the police. And
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Speaker 1: I was attacked by a guy who pretended like he
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Speaker 1: was a lift driver. That's actually a case being prosecuted
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Speaker 1: right now. So there is Allen if you need me
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Speaker 1: to come make a cameo appearance the corder. I actually
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Speaker 1: may her family rushing from New Jersey down to South
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Speaker 1: Carolina as soon as they learned that she was missing,
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Speaker 1: and today they learned the horrific news. And we believe
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Speaker 1: that she simply mistakenly got into this particular car, thinking
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Speaker 1: it was an uber ride. She opened the door and
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Speaker 1: got into it. The twenty one year old political science
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Speaker 1: major at the University of South Carolina would be found
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Speaker 1: the next day by turkey hunters murdered in a wooded area.
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Speaker 1: Twenty four year old Nathaniel Roland is in custody for
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Speaker 1: her kidnapping and killing. He was pulled over in that
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Speaker 1: impalla by police Saturday morning and tried to run away.
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Speaker 1: Officers caught up with him and searched the car. Analysis
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Speaker 1: concluded that the blood in the suspect vehicle was out
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Speaker 1: of the victim. Also, a cell phone belonging to the
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Speaker 1: victim was found inside the passenger compartment. Samantha Josephsin was
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Speaker 1: a native of Robinsville, New Jersey, and grew up next
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Speaker 1: door to the Midnick family. A smart, bubbly, funny, funny kid.
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Speaker 1: She was a good kid. She was ad to graduate
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Speaker 1: in a few weeks and returned closer to home for
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Speaker 1: her next chapter. Sammy had a full ride to Drexel
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Speaker 1: Law School. The child locks were enabled in that vehicle,
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Speaker 1: so there was no way that she could escape out
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Speaker 1: of one of the back doors. Oh that just makes
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Speaker 1: me sick. I feel like just crying right now. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this girl was doing so much with her life. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about a twenty one year old girls. Samantha Josephson
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Speaker 1: already had a full scholarship to Drexel Law School in Philly.
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Speaker 1: I'm just she had so much ahead of her, and
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Speaker 1: she was trying so hard, just weeks away from graduation
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Speaker 1: there at University South Carolina, and she was doing nothing.
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Speaker 1: Every other co ed wasn't doing. She was out having
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Speaker 1: a good time with her girlfriends, going home alone to
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Speaker 1: her room and University of South Carolina Hale's and Uber
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Speaker 1: gets in and she's dead. I'm Nancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Jackie keeps
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Speaker 1: waving her arms here in the studio and saying something
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Speaker 1: about a picture. What jack okay it got? It? Is
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Speaker 1: that true? I never even looked to see if I
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Speaker 1: have a picture, Kathleen Murphy is Jackie. But Jackie is
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Speaker 1: telling me, and I'm trying to repeat as best as
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Speaker 1: I can. I think I'm the weak link in the scenario,
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy. Jackie's saying, Uber sends you a picture of
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Speaker 1: your driver. Now I didn't know that. I've never gotten
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Speaker 1: a picture of my driver. Is that something that is
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Speaker 1: something that we get when we do our Uber? But Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I have to say something, and that is on my heart.
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Speaker 1: Her parents are I just can't even imagine where they are,
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Speaker 1: but hearing their story today, I called my daughter, who
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Speaker 1: was in Philadelphia, who uses Uber all the time, who's
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Speaker 1: getting ready to graduate in May, and I warned her,
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Speaker 1: and so their daughter's death is not in vain. I
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Speaker 1: warned my daughter. The other thing I need to say,
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Speaker 1: Nancy is when this guy was picked up by the police,
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Speaker 1: he was trolling again. He was looking for somebody else.
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Speaker 1: Their daughter's life was not lost in being Now wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, Kathleen Murphy is telling me something.
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Speaker 1: Robin will Nski with me crime online dot Com invest
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Speaker 1: to get a reporter, and I'm about to bring in
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Speaker 1: forensics expert Karin Smith and doctor Michelle Dupree, medical examiner
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Speaker 1: and author. Robin. What Kathleen is saying is striking accord
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Speaker 1: in me, because when I'm looking at the video, which
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Speaker 1: you can see at crime online dot Com, he is trolling.
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Speaker 1: She put it perfectly. He this is not some accident
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Speaker 1: on Samantha's part. She's standing there on her phone, looking
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Speaker 1: at her phone on the corner. It's late at night.
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Speaker 1: He is slowed down, he pulls up to her. This
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Speaker 1: is no accident where she just happens to get in
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Speaker 1: the wrong car. I am telling you, and there's no
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Speaker 1: way for me to prove it right now because my
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Speaker 1: only witness is dead, murdered. That's Samantha. But he led
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Speaker 1: her to believe that he was an uber driver. Robin.
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Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, I remember I was saying
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Speaker 1: he slows down, he comes to a stop and pulls
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Speaker 1: up to her. He's trolling. That's exactly what he's doing, right,
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Speaker 1: And he's slowly coming around a corner. In this area.
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Speaker 1: If you've ever been there, there's a finite amount of bars.
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Speaker 1: This is not like New York City or New Orleans
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Speaker 1: where there's a tons and tons and tons of endless,
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Speaker 1: endless bars. This is the downtown area where the college
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Speaker 1: kids are finite amount of bars. And he's slowing down
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Speaker 1: as if he's the Uber driver. He has an m
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Speaker 1: O and this is his m O and so he's pretending,
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Speaker 1: but he was, you know, out to do something very
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Speaker 1: very bad and is making me sick. I agree with
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Speaker 1: Samantha's mother that this is the last thing Samantha saw this,
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Speaker 1: as she says, vile killer who put on the child
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Speaker 1: lunks in the car of the back seat so she
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Speaker 1: couldn't get out. His name, Nathaniel Roland. He's being detained
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Speaker 1: right now at the Alvan Esquelen Attention Center on four
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Speaker 1: charges murder, kidnap, failure to stop on police command, possession
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Speaker 1: of drugs. He's taken into custody three am on Saturday
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Speaker 1: after a Columbia Police K nine officer spots his vehicle
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Speaker 1: near five Points? Is that where it was Robin Leinsky?
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Speaker 1: The five Points area, Robin fitting the description of the
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Speaker 1: one Samantha Josephson entered the night she disappeared. The officer
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Speaker 1: makes a routine traffic stop. Then he jumps out of
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Speaker 1: the car and leads the cop on a foot chase.
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Speaker 1: Blood discovered in the trunk, blood discovered in the passenger
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Speaker 1: compartment of the car that he was still driving. That
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Speaker 1: blood confirmed to be that of Samantha Josephson. Straight to you.
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Speaker 1: Karen Smith, forensics expert, tell me about the traces left behind.
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Speaker 1: And this is the deal. You can nothing goes without
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Speaker 1: a trace, a touch, DNA, a hair, a fiber. There
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Speaker 1: is a trail in that car. Karen Smith, forensics expert,
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Speaker 1: tell me about it. That's right. That is low cards
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Speaker 1: exchange principle. That is the hallmark of forensic science. Every
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Speaker 1: contact leaves a trace, and in this case, he left
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Speaker 1: a lot of traces in the car. You're dealing with
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Speaker 1: visible blood stains. I don't think that this required luminol.
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Speaker 1: I don't think this required any chemical analysis. I think
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Speaker 1: that the officers could see it, which meant it was
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Speaker 1: nothing more than a simple color test to do a
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Speaker 1: presumption that it was blood. Once they had that presumption
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Speaker 1: and the color test came back positive, they took some samples.
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Speaker 1: They shipped it off to the laboratory where they quickly
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Speaker 1: did a comparison with her blood and found that it
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Speaker 1: was a match. So at that point, they know they've
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Speaker 1: got the right guy, they know they've got the car,
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Speaker 1: and then they did a subsequent search for additional evidence.
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Speaker 1: So fantastic, fantastic policework. Okay, let me ask you a question.
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Speaker 1: You're saying that that was probably to the naked eye,
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Speaker 1: what else do you expect to be found in that car?
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Speaker 1: And do but you believe that that black car? I
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Speaker 1: believe it was a forward IMpower. Do you believe that
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Speaker 1: was the primary crime saying Karen Smith, Yes, I do.
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Speaker 1: I do believe that was the primary crime scene. And
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Speaker 1: the reason I believe that is because listen, if you
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Speaker 1: have blood inside a car, you have a violent crime.
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Speaker 1: There's no two ways about it. Something violent happened in
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Speaker 1: that car. I don't know the amount of blood that
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Speaker 1: they found. I don't know if it was trace amounts
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Speaker 1: or if it was a larger amount. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what the trunk looked like, but if they could see it,
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Speaker 1: then we can make the assumption that a violent crime occurred.
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Speaker 1: You're also going to look for hairs, You're going to
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Speaker 1: look for fibers, any type of other biological evidence that
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Speaker 1: may be present. You know, I'm not going to go
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Speaker 1: into details on that, but I think we can all
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Speaker 1: use our imaginations. Okay, you know what Karen Smith's forensics expert.
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Speaker 1: Look around. You're on a crime program. Okay, semen, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's what you're talking about. Go ahead. Right when you
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Speaker 1: talk to a jury, you have to say exactly what
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Speaker 1: you mean, and I expect the same thing. That's what
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Speaker 1: I think is going to be found. Go ahead, I agree,
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Speaker 1: you're going to find a combination of her DNA and
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Speaker 1: his DNA, semen, vaginal fluids, stuff like that, and probably
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Speaker 1: in the backseat. We can use an alternate light source
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Speaker 1: and do a quick sweep of that area. If you
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Speaker 1: have a glow, which is what it'll look like under
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Speaker 1: that light source, you take another sample that can do
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Speaker 1: a microscopical analysis of that and then run DNA compared
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Speaker 1: to the suspect, and you know that's the next steps
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Speaker 1: for this investigation. Child safety locks are built into rear
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Speaker 1: doors of almost every car now to prevent rear seat
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Speaker 1: passengers from opening the doors. And this occurs while you're
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Speaker 1: driving in transit and while the vehicle has stopped. Cars
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Speaker 1: have been built with safety locks since they're early eighties,
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Speaker 1: and the reality of safety locks is that if you're
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Speaker 1: in the back seat, you cannot open the doors. Someone
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Speaker 1: either has to disngage the child lock from the front
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Speaker 1: seat the control panel or get out and open the door. Again,
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Speaker 1: built into rear doors of most cars to prevent children
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Speaker 1: from getting out, and it's very simple, it's safe, it's
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Speaker 1: secure to keep children getting out of the car. Now
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Speaker 1: it's called a child a lot, but in this case
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Speaker 1: it resulted in murder. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. A
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Speaker 1: cell phone belonging to the victim was found inside of
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Speaker 1: the passenger compartment as a suspect vehicle, and likewise located
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Speaker 1: in the suspect vehicle was a container liquid, the bleach
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Speaker 1: germicidal wipes and window the cleaner. Further investigation on the
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Speaker 1: suspect vehicle determined that a child safety seat was in
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Speaker 1: the back and then the child safety locks were activated
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Speaker 1: on the door that would not allow someone to the
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Speaker 1: means of escape from the back of the suspect vehicle.
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Speaker 1: The body in Clarita County was also located in an
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Speaker 1: area unknown to the defendant, in near an area where
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Speaker 1: the suspect recently resides. According to law enforcement sensitive databases
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Speaker 1: and electronic access state maintained information Police Department investigators, SLED
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Speaker 1: instigators met with the Fifth circum Solicitor's Office. Due to
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Speaker 1: the information presented, along with evidence collected by SLED, will
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Speaker 1: be charging our suspect, whose name is first named Nathaniel,
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Speaker 1: middle named David, last named Roland Blackmail Databurgh thirteen, nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety four, with murder and kidnapping him. That is the
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Speaker 1: Columbia Police Department Chief William Holbrook in a pressor describing
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Speaker 1: how the suspect's car, if you looked carefully, found the
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Speaker 1: victim's cell phone. I don't know if you caught this.
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Speaker 1: Along with bleach to doctor Michelle Duprie, renowned medical exander
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Speaker 1: and joining us from this jurisdiction. She's the author of
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Speaker 1: Homicide Investigation Field Guide, and we are not asking you
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Speaker 1: anything particular to this case. Doctor Michelle Duprie. In case
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Speaker 1: you're called in on this particular autopsy for any reason,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Duprie, let me ask you about him having bleach. Now,
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Speaker 1: it's my understanding that although people think you can get
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Speaker 1: rid of DNA with bleach, and you can get rid
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Speaker 1: of some trace evidence, you need something more along the
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Speaker 1: lines of a muriatic acid to actually break down DNA.
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Speaker 1: True false. Explain yes, and see that is true, and
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Speaker 1: I think that it also it's going to depend on
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Speaker 1: the amount of evidence, in other words, the amount of
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Speaker 1: blood that would be there. You would need an awfully
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Speaker 1: lot in this case. But how does bleach break down DNA?
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Speaker 1: It does break down blood. The problem is there are
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Speaker 1: still trace evidence. There will still usually be some left
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Speaker 1: somewhere that the perpetrator will not get. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: just imagining this crime scene. This is what we know
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Speaker 1: about the alleged perp, Nathaniel David Roland. We know that
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Speaker 1: the Columbia Police Chief Skip Polebrook, you were just hearing
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Speaker 1: him determined Roland was driving this Chevy and Power Friday morning.
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Speaker 1: He pulled up to the bird Dog that was the
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Speaker 1: name of the restaurant bar. You could see the surveillance video.
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Speaker 1: Police believe Samantha was waiting there right along Hardened Street
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Speaker 1: for an Uber ride and she entered Roland's car mistakenly
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Speaker 1: and he was trolling. She's not at fault. He was
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Speaker 1: trolling representing himself as an uber driver, a fake Uber driver.
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Speaker 1: What more do we know about this twenty four year
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Speaker 1: old perpetrator, Robin Wolinski. We know that he had some
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Speaker 1: sort of a I believe, a child's seat in the
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Speaker 1: back of his car, so maybe he's trying to look
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Speaker 1: like a guy who's got a kid or I heard
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Speaker 1: that there was a child seat in the back of
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Speaker 1: the vehicle as well, in addition to the him locking it.
21:48
Speaker 1: But you know what, this girl nasty. What strikes me
21:51
Speaker 1: about this. Think about this. She was a prisoner, an
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Speaker 1: actual prisoner, in a killer's car, and it makes me
21:58
Speaker 1: sick to my stomach. I think about it that she
22:01
Speaker 1: had no way out. Had those locks not been the
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Speaker 1: child safety locks not been invoked, she could have jumped out,
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Speaker 1: and yeah, she would have gotten hurt, but she wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have gotten killed. Oh and by the way, who's driving
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Speaker 1: around with a bottle of bleach in their car in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the night. My bleach is in my
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Speaker 1: laundry room. Why is it in his car? Why is
22:19
Speaker 1: he armed with a big bottle of bleach? There's no
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Speaker 1: words to describe ms pain his absence. Muster family and
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Speaker 1: friends in the courtroom, held close by Samantha Josephson's dad
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Speaker 1: and sister. The Samantha's mom, Marcy explained that Agony left behind.
22:39
Speaker 1: In a prepared statement to the judge, she preferred we
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Speaker 1: not show her face, that his face was a less
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Speaker 1: than accused killer. Nathaniel Rowland waived his appearance at the
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Speaker 1: bond hearing. The judge says his bond will now be
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Speaker 1: set in general Sessions court. Marcy took the time in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom to share more about Samantha. Samantha was bubbly, loving,
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Speaker 1: kind and full of life. USC College of Arts and
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Speaker 1: Sciencests says. Josephson was a political science major, and we
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Speaker 1: learned from her mom what her plans were after graduating.
23:16
Speaker 1: She had a plan, She worked hard, was graduating from
23:19
Speaker 1: college in May and starting law school in September. That
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Speaker 1: future is no longer possible, leaving those she knew with
23:26
Speaker 1: a heavy heart. He sister, the granddaughter, and niece, so
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Speaker 1: many Samantha Josephson and named Marcy wants never to be forgotten.
23:38
Speaker 1: I thought his name is Samantha Josephson. Don't never forget
23:41
Speaker 1: a name, Samantha Josephs. That from our friends at WYFFTV.
23:49
Speaker 1: I also understand that her body, to doctor Daniel Bober,
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Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrists joined me, was found by a group of
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Speaker 1: Turkey hunters about six five miles away from where she
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Speaker 1: was last saying alive. I'm not going to ask you,
24:06
Speaker 1: doctor Bober about the physical forensics, but what does that
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Speaker 1: say to you that her body was just discarded out
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Speaker 1: in the middle of a wooded area, just left to
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Speaker 1: decompose Nancy? What that tells me, given the fact that
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Speaker 1: this guy was driving around with bleach in his car
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Speaker 1: and trolling, that he's probably done this before and there's
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Speaker 1: probably unsolved homicide that he's involved. I mean, this is
24:28
Speaker 1: a guy who makes a habit of it, and you know,
24:30
Speaker 1: treats human beings like they're pieces of trash that he
24:32
Speaker 1: can discard. So you're dealing with someone who seems like
24:35
Speaker 1: a particularly psychopathic kind of personality too. Robert Willinski, Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, what more do we know?
24:43
Speaker 1: About what was found in his car and about the
24:45
Speaker 1: location of twenty one year old Samantha Josephson's body. Right, well,
24:50
Speaker 1: it was in a wooded area where these turkey hunters
24:53
Speaker 1: were nancy, and they find the body and calling one
24:57
Speaker 1: one one and the police come out there. I understand it.
25:00
Speaker 1: This is an area that was very familiar to the killer.
25:04
Speaker 1: That he used to live in this area, and so
25:08
Speaker 1: he was trolling in a spot populated by young college
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Speaker 1: co eds, doing his kill and then dumping the body
25:18
Speaker 1: in an area familiar to him. You know, isn't that
25:21
Speaker 1: always so true? We see it over and over, Kathleen Murphy.
25:25
Speaker 1: President Scott Peterson kept going back to the San Francisco Bay.
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Speaker 1: He discarded Lacy's body in an area he was familiar
25:33
Speaker 1: where he would go fishing. That's just one example. Kathleen Murphy.
25:36
Speaker 1: Way in, I want to say that when this gentleman
25:41
Speaker 1: was arrested. Gentleman, why did I say that perpetrator was arrested.
25:47
Speaker 1: I believe that he was looking for his next victim,
25:50
Speaker 1: so he went back to the same place he thought
25:52
Speaker 1: he could pick up another beautiful young woman, and that's
25:56
Speaker 1: how the police found him. He was back at the scene.
25:59
Speaker 1: You know, amazing to me. I'm just a trial lawyer
26:03
Speaker 1: that takes a shrink about why so soon after her
26:05
Speaker 1: murder he would be back in his car, her Samantha's
26:09
Speaker 1: cell phone, bleach window cleaner and cleaning wipes. About two
26:14
Speaker 1: or nine am. The suspect that was operating a black
26:20
Speaker 1: Chevrole and palette approach the in the Five Points area
26:24
Speaker 1: in Columbia lost you a waited for transportation. What we
26:28
Speaker 1: know now is that she had in fact summoned an
26:31
Speaker 1: ride and was waiting for that ride to Uber ride
26:34
Speaker 1: to come. And we believe we don't have a statement
26:37
Speaker 1: or any evidence that suggests other than our observations on
26:40
Speaker 1: the video. We believe that she simply mistakenly got into
26:43
Speaker 1: this particular car thinking it was an Uber ride. She
26:45
Speaker 1: opened the door and got into it and departed with
26:48
Speaker 1: the suspect driving with those child looks on the back.
26:52
Speaker 1: There was no way out for Samantha. How many times
26:56
Speaker 1: have I said the words just get an Uber, just
26:58
Speaker 1: get an Uber? I mean when I hear her mother speak,
27:05
Speaker 1: you know what Alan do my friend joining me in LA.
27:08
Speaker 1: You know how I feel about John David and Lucy,
27:11
Speaker 1: my twins. The same way you feel about your beautiful girl,
27:15
Speaker 1: and the same way everybody feels about their children. I
27:19
Speaker 1: pour every waking moment. If I'm not working into them,
27:24
Speaker 1: I dream for them, I hope for them. I try
27:27
Speaker 1: to push them one step further. Have you done your homework?
27:30
Speaker 1: Can we work on your science project. Let's work on
27:33
Speaker 1: your girl scout, let's work on your board. Anything, just
27:35
Speaker 1: to help them one more step along the way, Just
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Speaker 1: one step, anything, anything. All those hopes, all those dreams
27:45
Speaker 1: into Semantha. They poured all their effort, Alan, They got
27:49
Speaker 1: her through undergrad at University South Carolina, and she had
27:53
Speaker 1: a full scholarship to law school. How proud do you think, Alan,
27:58
Speaker 1: they were of Samantha. I can only imagine, because she's
28:03
Speaker 1: so beautiful and an accomplished young lady. By the way,
28:06
Speaker 1: let me mention there is a go fund me effort
28:08
Speaker 1: to raise money for her funeral and memorial cost. All
28:11
Speaker 1: of the money will go to support the family during
28:12
Speaker 1: this tough time. They've raised almost forty nine thousand dollars already.
28:17
Speaker 1: Samantha Lee Josephson Memorial Fund. You'll find it on go
28:21
Speaker 1: fund me. Well, you know what, Alan, I'm so glad
28:23
Speaker 1: you brought that up because I remember when my dad
28:26
Speaker 1: passed away. We had the most awesome funeral. Home helped
28:31
Speaker 1: my mom, helped all of us. But you know when
28:34
Speaker 1: you get that bill at a time like that, it's
28:36
Speaker 1: like another kick in the gut, you know. So that's
28:39
Speaker 1: just one last thing they're going to have to break
28:41
Speaker 1: into their savings for it. Just her future. Her world
28:46
Speaker 1: looked so bright and it ends like this. Here's Chief Holebrook.
28:54
Speaker 1: The traffic stop that I mentioned occurred about three am.
28:57
Speaker 1: The Chevy and Power that was driven by the sus
29:00
Speaker 1: had a large a large amount of livewid it we
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Speaker 1: believed to be blood and once they did a presumptive test,
29:06
Speaker 1: in fact was confirmed to be blood. They executed a
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Speaker 1: search warrant on that car. Additional amounts of dark collar
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Speaker 1: test deposit for blood was discovered in the trunk and
29:16
Speaker 1: in the passenger apartment. Collections of the blood were came
29:19
Speaker 1: by the forensic primezing agents and were submitted to the
29:23
Speaker 1: Sleddy and a lab for analysis and compare the known
29:25
Speaker 1: standards of the victim. The analysis concluded that the blood
29:28
Speaker 1: in the suspect of vehicle was out of the victims.
29:32
Speaker 1: I'm just sick. Sick. This guy's a thing in Nathaniel
29:37
Speaker 1: David Roland, twenty four years old. Think about it. Did
29:41
Speaker 1: you hear what Chief Holbrook said? Blood quote? Lots of it.
29:47
Speaker 1: From what we understand, she was brutalized from her head
29:53
Speaker 1: to her feet, brutal injuries all around her neck, her face,
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Speaker 1: her head, her upper body, her legs down all the
30:05
Speaker 1: way down to her feet. Her beautiful body found hours
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Speaker 1: later dumped in woods off a dirt road in Clarendon County,
30:17
Speaker 1: over sixty miles from where she was last seen on
30:19
Speaker 1: that surveillance video getting into Roland's car. Her mother, Marcy,
30:25
Speaker 1: was so broken up at the last hearing, which he
30:29
Speaker 1: didn't have the guts to show his face and see
30:32
Speaker 1: Samantha's mother. She had to read from a statement, and
30:37
Speaker 1: I can tell you this, doctor Bober, or doctor Daniel
30:39
Speaker 1: Bober with me, forensic psychiatrist. I'm glad she had something
30:44
Speaker 1: to read from, because I remember testifying at my fiance's
30:48
Speaker 1: murder trial. It's such a blur. I don't even know
30:51
Speaker 1: what I was saying, doctor Bober. I only even to
30:54
Speaker 1: this day, with all the joy of my life, I
30:58
Speaker 1: can only remember little bits and pieces that trial just
31:06
Speaker 1: like I'm singing an old movie and I see bits
31:11
Speaker 1: and then the film is spliced, and then suddenly, yeah,
31:15
Speaker 1: I see another part. It just I don't know how
31:18
Speaker 1: she kept her wits about her to even speak. Why
31:21
Speaker 1: is that, doctor Boba? Why can't you think straight when
31:26
Speaker 1: you're under so much stress and pain? Because, Nancy, it's
31:31
Speaker 1: a cute stress. That's you know that people talk about
31:34
Speaker 1: the fight or flight, but it's really the fight, flight
31:36
Speaker 1: or freeze. And some people are so traumatized that they're
31:39
Speaker 1: disconnected from their thoughts and emotions. It's sort of the
31:41
Speaker 1: mind's way of protecting itself because the trauma is just
31:45
Speaker 1: too much to bear. She read this quote. There are
31:50
Speaker 1: no words to describe the immense pain his actions have
31:54
Speaker 1: caused our family and friends. He's taken away a piece
31:57
Speaker 1: of her heart, soul, and life. Shame on him. We
32:03
Speaker 1: thought he would be here to see his evil face.
32:08
Speaker 1: I cannot fathom how someone could randomly select a person,
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Speaker 1: a beautiful girl, and steal her life away. His actions senseless, vile.
32:17
Speaker 1: It sickens us to think his face was the last
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Speaker 1: thing my baby girls saw on this earth. His unspeakable,
32:28
Speaker 1: violent actions have created a hole in the universe, you know,
32:33
Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, she said it so perfectly a hole in
32:40
Speaker 1: the universe. I remember when Keith was murdered. I felt like,
32:43
Speaker 1: and I still say this, that the world stopped and
32:45
Speaker 1: I got off and I turned around and the world
32:47
Speaker 1: was still spinning. And I just couldn't imagine that life
32:52
Speaker 1: went on as normal, because it is a hole in
32:56
Speaker 1: the universe. Her universe. Nancy, her sister, She had one sister.
33:03
Speaker 1: Her sister is now sisterless. And I am just I
33:07
Speaker 1: have three girls, and I cannot even fathom where these
33:12
Speaker 1: parents are coming from. I'm heartbroken. I am devastated. But
33:18
Speaker 1: I will say this again, she did not die in vain.
33:24
Speaker 1: I called my daughters and I said, don't ever get
33:29
Speaker 1: in an uber unless that driver matches. Don't do it.
33:35
Speaker 1: To doctor Michelle Dupree joining me my long time not
33:39
Speaker 1: just colleague, but I consider a friend. Although you're a
33:43
Speaker 1: lot smarter than me, Doctor Dupre, you do put up
33:46
Speaker 1: with my questions, which must be child's play for somebody
33:49
Speaker 1: like you, and doctor Bober, for Pete's sake, Kathleen, Karen
33:52
Speaker 1: and Robin, don't please don't feel left out of this.
33:54
Speaker 1: But I mean, but doctor Dupree, I want you to
33:58
Speaker 1: speak to me on a human level, not as a
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Speaker 1: medical examiner and author. And I'm looking at a picture
34:05
Speaker 1: right now, doctor Dupres. Now you know, doctor Dupre, grew
34:08
Speaker 1: up on a red dirt road in the middle of
34:11
Speaker 1: rural bib County. I didn't even know where Barcelona, Spain was.
34:16
Speaker 1: But I'm looking at a picture. I mean, my dream
34:18
Speaker 1: is to send my children all over the world so
34:21
Speaker 1: they can see it all and experience it all and
34:23
Speaker 1: know it all. And I'm looking at a picture of
34:26
Speaker 1: her at the airport with her parents last January, on
34:30
Speaker 1: your way to send a semester abroad in Barcelona. How
34:35
Speaker 1: hard do you think those parents worked to give her
34:38
Speaker 1: all of these advantages in life, doctor Dupres. Nancy, I'm
34:42
Speaker 1: sure they worked very hard and arsous nothing as you know,
34:45
Speaker 1: like losing a child. It's just devastating. And I just
34:49
Speaker 1: want to say that our community here, everyone in the city,
34:53
Speaker 1: in the town, in the state, is just devastated by
34:55
Speaker 1: this news. It was a horrible, tragic account. We wait
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Speaker 1: as justice unfals. If you have information, please call toll
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