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Hug the Cactus: Why Christians Do Hard Things | Kevin Baisley · Profitable Christian Business

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Profitable Christian Business Podcast.
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  I am your host, Doug Greathouse, and today I am joined by Kevin Baisley, founder of Listen 4 Wisdom, an app that brings together biblical scripture, psychology, and practical next
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  steps for life's challenges.
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  Kevin has a background in social services and counseling, and this year he stepped out in faith to build the business full-time.
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  We're going to talk about obedience, learning something new, and continuing to show up before the success story is finished.
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  Kevin, welcome to the Profitable Christian Business Podcast.
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  Doug Greathouse, thank you so much.
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  I'm very happy to be here.
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  Well, one thing that I know about you in doing a little bit more research, I like to start off with some light hearted questions and I have two dogs.
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  We have Blondie and Alfie.
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  Um you have two dogs as well.
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  Um tell tell us about th those dogs and which one of those dogs runs the house.
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  These dogs, I tell you, these are like special dogs, special needs, I would almost say.
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  God bless them.
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  We've got a little uh wiener dog named Hazel.
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  She's about 11 years old, and a Shih Tzu Moses, whom we got down here in Florida when we moved here about three and a half years ago, and who runs it?
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  Um, maybe Hazel a little bit more.
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  And she's more barky and very communicative and very expressive watching you.
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  So
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  They're both uh a lot of work, but such a blessing.
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  We love them so much.
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  Nice, nice.
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  Um I don't know if you're if you're I haven't done this part of the research, but I don't know if you're an avid reader.
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  but other than the Bible, you know, that's the default answer.
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  Is there any books or anything like that you're really tapping into to grow right now?
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  Books wise, man, there is a book called The Titus 10.
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  I forget the author.
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  I'm doing a Bible study with some brothers on Wednesday and we're going through this book.
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  Man, just teaching men how to be men, godly men, how to be full of knowledge and action and and leading to zeal.
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  Uh so I'm reading I just finished that book on the treadmill today, and we do like a chapter every week.
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  I'm always reading.
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  Yes, I I subscribe to um Pastor
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  John MacArthur, Rest and Glory.
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  I get little booklets from him, read him all the time.
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  I devour them usually in a day.
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  There's an Indian pastor, Bhouvana uh Chakra, I think his last name is.
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  I meet with this brother video every week.
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  He has a book about is the Lord pleased with your giving?
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  Now it's about giving and finances, and not a lot of people like to talk about that, but he goes not really there, more into the heart of the person and a ton of scripture.
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  I devoured that book.
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  Love it.
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  I recommend it.
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  And there's an author, Melanie Wilkinson, out of uh Canada, a book on attachments.
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  And she's a strong sister in Christ, talking about just like psychology, kind of like a little bit about the Listen 4 Wisdom app that we'll be talking about.
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  Psychology and scripture and different personalities we would deal with.
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  Um, those are some books I read, but always, yes, I usually have about three or four books in my gym bag.
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  I like to read a lot when I'm on the treadmill, but every day it's four chapters of scripture and and all these supplemental things as well.
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  So the the book the last book you mentioned was very interesting to me.
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  and uh of course we're gonna put the links to just to um the the app and things like that below, but um s that book you said Melanie, what was her last name?
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  Melanie Wilkinson
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  Wilkins, do you know the name of the book off the top of your head?
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  It's got um from something to attachments.
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  Attachments is in it.
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  I should know this, but I'm not good with a lot of it remembering.
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  um, I I think that could be a very interesting tough topic for anybody that is listening to this podcast.
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  So go ahead, I'm gonna go ahead and put that link below in the show notes too.
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  So if you wanna check out that book because psychology and um what was it was psychology, what was the other part of it?
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  Of it's like from attachments to wholeness, something like that, but about these attachments.
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  Okay, so I I really kinda wanna dive dive into this.
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  So is it meaning like idol I like having idols?
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  Is that the same thing as the attachments?
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  No, it's more like almost like you can have like a narcissistic leaning, kind of these traits and characteristics within and then how to identify within people and where there's
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  woundedness that causes a lot of this.
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  And then going to scripture to get that healing from these attachments, these personalities, these ways we we tend to become through through life experiences and so
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  many things.
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  Nice, nice.
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  So yes, that link will be we'll we'll get the the right name for the book and we'll put it below um and you can go check it out.
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  Kevin, we do a fill in the blank question on every well, first before I even get to that, um I know that you'd recently moved from Minnesota to Florida.
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  Big change uh in a lot of ways.
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  Um can you kind of talk us through that move?
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  Because I know you feel I I think when you told me before you felt like it was a God you was a god led move.
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  can you kinda walk us through that movement?
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  Like what you like what you liked about Minnesota, what you like about Florida?
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  Absolutely, man.
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  That that's a great question.
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  Never did I think we would be moving.
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  Me and my wife, Kim, we just celebrated our four year anniversary.
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  Never thought we would be leaving Minnesota.
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  I grew up in Southeast Minnesota.
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  She grew up South Metro, Twin Cities, Minnesota.
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  And Minnesota was great.
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  You know, the the seasons that change are awesome.
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  Just having family everywhere, the culture, just how the Midwest work ethic.
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  People work hard and people are cool.
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  I like Wisconsin people a lot too, honestly.
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  Whenever I meet somebody from Wisconsin, I'm like, I knew it, you guys are so cool.
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  But the Midwest, the culture, it's a it's a familiar thing.
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  So there we were.
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  We were sensing from Holy Spirit, you know, after 2020, and what happened, we were sensing the Lord was beckoning us out of Minnesota.
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  We weren't sure where.
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  For about nine months or so, we were praying and seeking, considering some different states.
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  And then
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  We came down to Southwest Florida for about a week and started to just discern here because that had just came up on our radar.
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  And I'm like, Lord, what?
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  We don't know anybody here, you know?
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  And we come and we check it out.
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  And let me tell you, Doug, it was amazing.
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  Like all of a sudden, doors just started to open.
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  Uh the path became a little more clear.
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  We were driving and I prayed.
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  I said, sweetheart, let's be bold.
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  I prayed.
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  I said, just like there are
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  Wolves in Minnesota and bears in Minnesota.
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  There's cats in Florida.
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  I said, Lord Jesus, I was I was bold in my faith 'cause I'm like, this is not likely, but I'm if I'm moving to Florida, Jesus, you gotta show me, like confirm it.
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  And I said, show me, I said, show me a black panther.
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  Show me one.
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  I'm like, there's cats down here.
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  I know it's not likely, but you are well able, King Jesus.
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  So we're rolling.
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  I kid you not, probably in like seven seconds, we're driving.
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  This truck comes right in front of our car.
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  And it has three stickers on it.
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  That's a wolf, a bear, and a white cat.
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  I'm like, that's even better than black.
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  White is like pure Christ.
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  And I say, sweetheart, do you see this?
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  And I took a picture.
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  Uh, it was it was not super fast traffic.
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  So I'm like, you gotta be kidding me.
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  And not like that was the decisive thing, but that was a thing in this thing where it's like, all right, Jesus, it's Florida.
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  Wow.
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  Like Abraham leaving a place he knew to a place he knew nothing.
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  But yes, Messiah, if you say jump on a foot, I'm doing it.
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  Like we must obey.
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  Deuteronomy 28, obey and you're blessed.
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  So I say all that and say, we did it, man.
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  We sold the house in Minnesota.
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  We did things quick, fast in a hurry.
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  We drove down to Florida.
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  And again, being bold in prayer, which we we encourage everyone, we do ourselves.
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  We're driving into Florida.
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  My wife Kim is in the car with uh our dogs.
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  And I'm in the moving truck behind.
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  And we're on Bluetooth, we're talking.
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  I'm like, sweetheart, whoa, here we go.
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  It says, Welcome to Florida.
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  I said, Let's pray real quick.
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  We start praying.
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  And again, for me, I like to ask the Lord to give me winks, to give me signs, not because I have unbelief, but it's like confirm it, Lord, encourage me.
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  I'm moving from Minnesota to Florida.
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  I ask Him and real time, man, seconds, instantaneous.
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  We're we're driving this perfect rainbow.
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  Just appears right above right above the sign, like the Lord turned it up, turned and and it grew, grew, grew.
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  And I man, I better not tear up because man, it was so powerful.
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  And I said, sweetheart, look, and she saw it.
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  And I'm like, Can you believe this?
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  The Lord is with us.
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  And just as quickly as it appeared, it went.
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  So the Lord, you know, when you seek him, you find him.
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  When you ask, he speaks.
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  And he confirmed.
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  So we we came down here to Florida and we did it on obedience and here we are, Christ Jesus.
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  What's next?
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  There's a reason that I backed up and asked that question because the fill in the blank question goes right into that.
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  Um, so obedience became real for me when I blank is your fill in the blank question.
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  Obedience came became real for me when I, man, hmm, so many uh things I could think of, but I'll say, I'll say, how about this?
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  In 2017, February, uh, I think it was February 12th, I got baptized, man.
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  I I got saved in 2016.
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  It's been a decade, and it became real for me because I told all my buddies who came to the baptism, I'm gonna be like Kevin Garnett when he won the title with Boston.
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  I was so excited.
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  But I come out of that water after two seconds, and man, I am weeping.
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  I am covering my face.
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  I'm crying publicly.
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  I hate that, but Holy Spirit has done a number on me since He saved me.
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  And in that moment, I could write a book about the two seconds.
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  Like the Lord showed me a lot of things.
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  It was as if uh all the draws of the world, if they were previously like an HD TV.
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  It's like he turned it down to black and white.
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  And all of a sudden, like I just sensed the world is boring and Christ is pretty magnificent.
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  And then also it was like the Lord put a sword on my shoulder and said, Kevin, you haven't uh you haven't, this isn't a celebration.
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  Like you're just beginning.
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  You're just going to war.
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  And I sensed that s sober type of somber.
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  You're going to fight, Kevin.
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  And that's maybe why the tears came.
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  I'm like, wow, I was thinking like this is this is great.
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  Being a believer is fun.
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  And it is.
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  But the Lord was telling my spirit, man, you're gonna be a man of God.
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  You are gonna do massive things, like get going, man.
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  Build up the spiritual muscle.
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  And I tell you, it has been like that, like Saul to Paul.
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  Like, I mean, I can't hold a candle to him, but in terms of you will suffer many things for my name's sake, like the Lord has shown me pain and suffering, but where that sin is,
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  that that grace has held me up.
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  And I've seen such things, I've done such things that
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  I'm so grateful for and uh I continue to be like, yeah, send me.
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  I'll do it, Lord.
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  This is great.
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  Amen.
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  Um I I I th oh the next question I want to ask you is what does joy, the word joy mean to you?
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  Man, the word joy, number one, that's my wife's middle name, so that's kind of cool.
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  But joy, the joy of the Lord, it's of the Lord.
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  If you want to have true joy, it must be from Christ.
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  How do we get it?
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  You know, in this world where it's fallen, it's ugly, it's Luciferian, it's getting darker.
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  Uh we need to be in the word.
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  Matthew 6, you'll hear me talk a lot about the prayer closet.
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  You need to go to a room in a room.
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  You need to go to a humble place, private, close the door.
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  Make your prayer in private, and he who hears you, the Lord, will answer and bless you publicly, the word says.
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  What an add-on!
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  Like we're just trying to get communion and direction from the Lord on our marching orders.
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  And he says, Hey, whatever that prayer is, publicly I'm gonna manifest things.
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  So, joy for me.
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  I used to be a man who would print out calendars for sports games.
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  I mean, I was a three-sport athlete.
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  I love this thing.
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  I love the world.
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  I sucked the nectar out of the world.
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  I was like, it's Friday.
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  Let's go before I was saved.
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  And now, like, you know, I don't really partake in I don't watch sports, not to say, you know, it's a bad thing, but a lot of times people can give glory and worship to a team, to
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  a game.
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  It's dangerous.
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  We have to watch that.
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  For me, I don't find joy in these things.
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  Like I went to a destination wedding and and I was asked to be the officiant a few months ago and I did.
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  And I never did before.
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  I'm in the
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  Playa Muharis, I'm in paradise, all inclusive.
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  Sir, would you like some food, drink?
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  I'm like, yo, this is cool, but I'm like, I'm still unimpressed with the world.
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  I'm like, I'm appreciative.
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  I love the family here, but I'm like, I want to go home for the first time.
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  So joy for me, man, just understanding what the will of Abba is and then doing it and knowing He's with me, man, that makes me happy, joyful.
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  I I I love how you said that.
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  And just to kind of carry on the conversation a little bit, joy has always been to me like no matter what's going on in the world, and it's not necessarily just like I think for the
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  someone that's not saved, when when I think the Christian use the word joy, they kind of relate it to happiness.
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  To me, it's not happiness necessarily.
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  It it is because we can have joy and still be in unhappy situations, right?
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  We can because
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  But we have that um firm foundation.
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  That maybe it's just uh there's there's still that I I'll also go ahead and say there's a little bit of happiness there because we have we are satisfied, we are secure.
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  No matter what happens in the world, we have joy because of being saved.
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  So
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  true, man.
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  It's so true.
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  I think of people like the Apostle Paul, you know, these brethren who were, what does it say?
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  Like I think it was Peter and whoever was with Peter, they were in prison, man.
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  And it says at midnight, it tells about a time.
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  Why midnight?
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  But you know, the middle of the night, technically, like when it's darkest.
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  They were praying, praising.
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  They, I think they're even um, I think they were singing, also.
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  Yes, Doug, amen.
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  You can have joy in these.
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  It doesn't matter the circumstances, you could be.
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  a billionaire miserable, probably worshiping the devil, or you could have nothing in prison and be like, go to bed on the hard bed, probably and just be like, Man, I have
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  peace.
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  Wow, I have Messiah.
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  Christ is with me.
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  I'm going to heaven.
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  Joy is attainable.
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  Amen.
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  Amen.
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  Let's talk a little bit about your faith journey a little bit.
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  Um, I like to think about um and and you're probably gonna know the scripture better than I do, but lamppost to my feet, right?
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  Um God doesn't give us the whole picture and he expects us to proceed in faith, right, with that lamppost.
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  We see the next step, but we don't see beyond that next step.
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  So can you talk a little bit about how that has maybe portra came about in your in your life and in your journey?
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  absolutely.
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  It's become true about the daily bread, man.
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  The Lord, for me personally, and I think we see it in scripture, a lot of times you're not getting your one year plan, your five year plan, your ten year plan.
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  No way.
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  Are you kidding me?
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  It needs to be our daily bread.
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  And this can be a paradigm shock for many people.
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  For me, like I said, like I alluded to uh
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  I would be printing out calendars of sports games and being like, I gotta be done with work at this time and I'm going to see the Timberwolves on Monday night at seven.
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  I'm buying tickets off the street.
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  Like all these things.
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  Um, I kinda went off track thinking about that.
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  no, it's all good.
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  So I'm just gonna bring bring it back full script.
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  So how has your the lamppost to my feet, how has that played out in your life?
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  Like uh taking the next step just in obedience, because even though you don't know what's out there in the darkness, God is giving you the next step.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  So, I mean, we see it in scripture that they don't know far term down the road what's going on.
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  Sometimes where your bread is coming from, how exactly this thing's gonna flesh out.
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  I think of Elijah, uh, killed those prophets, Baal, the Lord did with fire.
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  Great victory, great victory.
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  The next moment, Jezebel is threatening him by, hey, by tomorrow, same time, you're gonna be or you're gonna be killed in the same manner they were.
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  And then all of a sudden he shifted and went to great depression.
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  Lord, take my life.
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  What am what is this?
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  I've found the same so many times, man.
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  When I've struggled in, for example, when the Lord called us down to uh Florida here and I got a transfer with my company and it was a different experience.
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  It was less driving truck and more, hey Kev, you're gonna be in the warehouse today.
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  There's not much work for you to do.
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  There's no AC.
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  There's two big fans, but if you're not under it, you're cooking.
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  Southwest Florida, are you kidding me?
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  I thought, like, Jesus, did you call us down to Florida to kill me?
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  On one hand, I'm like, I don't, I can't wait to be with you.
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  But I'm like, I don't think that's what you called me to.
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  The Lord, uh, He didn't reveal it right away, the long term, the vision.
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  We think of Joseph also going to Egypt from 17 to 30.
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  What happened in my dreams?
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  Abba, hey, what?
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  My brother's bowing down to me.
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  They tried to kill me.
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  Now I'm here.
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  But hey, I tell you, uh, he was being refined, character building in a moment.
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  He woke up the head on the pillow in the prison at night, pillow, his head on the pillow in the palace, most powerful next to Pharaoh.
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  So for Kevin Baisley, what I sense the Lord has done.
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  Hey, Kevin, uh, on obedience, come to Florida.
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  Good.
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  Check.
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  Uh, do everything I ask you to do.
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  Good.
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  I'm gonna cook you in this warehouse for three years.
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  Cook you.
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  And he did.
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  And it came to a moment where it got me to a point, all right, Abba.
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  I sense you're calling me tomorrow.
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  We'll probably talk more about this.
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  Um, if I'm gonna do it, I can't continue working and doing this.
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  I'm too depleted.
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  And that was a moment that my wife and I prayed and the Lord revealed something in real time and I'll probably speak more about that.
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  Well well let's not leave everyone on the hook.
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  So let's go from that that moment uh of what the of what the Lord revealed to you and kind of play that out.
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  Absolutely.
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  Okay.
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  This this is where this leads right into where I am today.
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  It was February 8th of this year, 2026.
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  It was a Sunday.
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  And um we were praying.
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  Now I had been getting a sense for about a year.
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  I thought the Lord was calling me back to my social work roots.
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  I got a bachelor's in social work, licensed social work.
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  I counseled caseloads of about 15 adults with serious persistent mental illness.
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  For years, probably about 16 years.
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  And I thought the Lord in this technological era was calling me back to counseling, but video counseling.
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  And as I prayed on this, I'm like, cool, man, that's my sweet spot.
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  I was doing great counseling.
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  I got out of it because I was actually, I wasn't feeling professionally challenged when I left.
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  I felt like the Lord had gifted me to counsel.
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  I was doing it.
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  Um, and okay, so I'm like, all right, Lord, this is cool.
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  And I I got the sense of Exodus 18.
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  Because I was going to name the counseling business Moses minded.
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  Because in Exodus 18, we read about Moses with a long line of Israelites coming to him.
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  And Jethro, father-in-law, came, they celebrated, ate some food, and he's like, What are you doing with this long line of people?
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  And Moses said, They come to me, I share of the Lord and tell them what to do.
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  And Jethro's like, You do a foolish thing.
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  You're going to burn yourself out and weary these people.
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  And then
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  Jethro told him, You to do three things, Moses.
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  You need to teach the people the word, teach them what to do so that they can do their work.
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  Okay.
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  Now, in my sense of doing the video counseling, I stopped at the Moses with the line.
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  And as I was working the business, studio office, getting everything set up, website marketing, it was like Acts of the Apostles, chapter 16, where Holy Spirit prevented Paul
• 19:51
  a few times from doing good things.
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  I wasn't getting any traction on my YouTube channel.
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  I was in a live premiere, live chat.
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  And this brother was like, I relapse with drinking.
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  I feel bad.
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  Um, you know, and I said, Brother, I just started a counseling business.
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  Like, I'll give you a free session.
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  We got you, bro.
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  It's okay.
• 20:08
  And he's like, No, just pray for me.
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  It's okay.
• 20:10
  I'm like, I can't even give this away.
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  So there was a night of of seven several months ago.
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  I couldn't sleep.
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  And I'm like, All right, Lord, I perceive it's not counseling.
• 20:19
  Cool, that's all right.
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  I don't want to do something that's not right.
• 20:23
  And we, and I had made the name of the business listen for the number, Listen 4 Wisdom.
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  And I said, in my spirit, I sense, I'm like, I perceive, Lord, this is stain.
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  This is something.
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  What is this?
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  And I generally sleep really good.
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  And I couldn't sleep one night.
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  I'm laying there and I kind of look from my lane position out the window.
• 20:47
  And usually the devil will be shooting arrows, trying to get me to reflect on past and failures, temptations.
• 20:52
  And I'm like, man, no way.
• 20:54
  So I started thinking, I'm trying to rest and sleep, but I'm like, I'm gonna think about Listen 4 Wisdom.
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  And I did.
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  And I just said to the Lord, what is it, Lord?
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  What is this thing?
• 21:04
  It is this, but what is it?
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  And in a moment, it became crystal clear.
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  I I I don't know, I probably didn't speak it out loud because I got my wife next to me, but in my spirit, in my thoughts, I said, What if I made an app where the person enters a
• 21:20
  query they need wisdom on?
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  Hey, I'm a young man, I live in the twin cities, I lost my job, my girlfriend, we're fighting, I I vape, you know, marijuana, whatever, you know, that the world is weird.
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  I used to go to church, but I'm not, I need some wisdom.
• 21:32
  What if somebody enters a query and they get back scripture, psychology, and practical application?
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  I'm like, what?
• 21:42
  I don't have any technical back.
• 21:43
  I do YouTube videos and stuff, but I don't know about making an app.
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  What?
• 21:47
  But it was clear, man, in my spirit.
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  I don't ever hear audible from the Lord, but in my spirit, I'm like, it came.
• 21:53
  It came.
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  And and I was like, I was so excited.
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  I eventually got to sleep.
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  But the next morning I started researching.
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  I'm like, I'm like, is there anything like this?
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  I was afraid there's gonna be 20 out there and I'm gonna be like, Lord, I didn't hear that right.
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  Where I'm like, what how is mine gonna be any better?
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  Who am I?
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  And I started researching it and it said, novel, novel idea.
• 22:14
  There's Bible apps, there's psychology apps, but there's nothing that combines the scripture, psychology, practical application.
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  Man, I I've been driven since then.
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  I mean, I built a prototype.
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  I was I was drawn in textbooks of psychology, communication, um, the scripture.
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  I built this thing, man.
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  I I built this.
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  And then in short order, I got it onto a another technology to bring it to market.
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  And I kid you not, in 29 days, the whole thing was done from start to finish.
• 22:47
  Boom.
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  It was released June 3rd, 2026.
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  And functioning beautiful.
• 22:52
  Not just like, hey, Kev, that's cute.
• 22:54
  That's interesting.
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  I should do that.
• 22:56
  But no, like you fire it every time.
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  You can enter into a thousand characters.
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  Boom, in less than 20 seconds, you get a robust, like seven-part plan of action that leads with scripture, that speaks to psychology, your uh query, what's underneath it, what's a
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  reframe, different way to look at it.
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  It pulls from expert citations, it fires through through the resources that are out there through the web.
• 23:20
  Grab citations, it'll name the person, the source it's coming from, and the name of the technique, whatever it might be.
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  If you need, just test it.
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  You can ask it any type of question, it'll just fire.
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  Like that.
• 23:32
  In short order, we then got it on the Google Play.
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  So it's on all Android devices everywhere.
• 23:39
  I gotta say, I gotta say, on Apple App Store, let me tell you, it is a tricky thing.
• 23:43
  I'm I'm an Android guy, so I don't know much about Apple.
• 23:47
  But doing this build to get it on the App Store, and I heard this before in my research, they said they don't expect to get accepted the first time.
• 23:54
  There's technical stuff.
• 23:55
  And I'm like, well, Lord made me a technical guy, so here we go.
• 23:58
  Mm-hmm.
• 23:59
  I I fire off the submissions, boom, rejected, rejected, rejected, reject seven times.
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  They rejected me.
• 24:07
  And then my D Day in terms of when I quit my job, February eighth, twenty twenty-six, to August eighth, twenty twenty six.
• 24:15
  I'm like, Lord, this is a milestone.
• 24:17
  This is six months.
• 24:17
  I've done a radical thing.
• 24:18
  I need to make money too.
• 24:20
  I love following you, but a man who does not provide for his house is worse than an infidel.
• 24:24
  I'm like, I ain't gonna do that, Lord.
• 24:26
  And so I'm sitting here, I'm like, Lord, I wanna make some revenue by then.
• 24:31
  And we need to get this on app
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  Apple devices everywhere.
• 24:34
  Let's get the market, everybody.
• 24:37
  And I tell you, man, right on, right on August 8th, 8, 8, 8's the number of new beginnings, six months to the day that I did a bold thing for Jesus.
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  That I said, yes, I will.
• 24:50
  Apple emails me and they say, Congratulations.
• 24:53
  And there's a little confetti in the email.
• 24:54
  I'm like, You what?
• 24:55
  You gotta be kidding me.
• 24:56
  In the 11th hour.
• 24:58
  And this is how Christ often works when you think like game over, Red Sea, um, Egyptians behind me.
• 25:04
  I'm toast.
• 25:05
  I've learned, man.
• 25:06
  I've learned in these hours where it's freaky, it's like, okay, it ain't done yet.
• 25:09
  Jesus is still moving.
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  And I got my first paid subscriber.
• 25:14
  It was later in the day on the eighth.
• 25:16
  All of this, this deadline where in my spirit I'm like, Lord, I need encouragement.
• 25:20
  I'm just flesh, man.
• 25:22
  But I need to um, I need to get on all the devices.
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  in all countries, we're available everywhere.
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  And that's that's where I am today.
• 25:32
  The Lord took me.
• 25:32
  I was Moses with a stutter trying to talk to people, you know, for that analogy and story.
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  But he made me, hey, you know nothing?
• 25:38
  Great.
• 25:38
  You're perfect.
• 25:39
  You're gonna give me glory when you testify.
• 25:43
  So many things I want to pick up um from what you just said.
• 25:45
  The first off is um as business people, entrepreneurs, we always are fighting this duality sometimes.
• 25:53
  And maybe duality is not the that's not the word I'm looking for, but follow stay with me and you'll and you'll get it.
• 25:58
  Um we have this pressure of of providing, right?
• 26:01
  And also, especially as Christians, of being obedient to the Lord.
• 26:04
  And if the Lord says do something, we we expect to be faithful and patient, right?
• 26:09
  Um
• 26:09
  And he also expects us to be providers.
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  So it's it's walking that line.
• 26:13
  Lord, how how long should I be patient?
• 26:15
  How long should I I be faithful?
• 26:17
  Because you have called me, kinda like you said, to not be an infidel.
• 26:20
  Right.
• 26:22
  Um so can uh can you just uh kind of expand on that internal struggle a little bit more?
• 26:28
  Absolutely, man.
• 26:30
  So here's where we are trying to get this app, which the way I look at it is like Listen 4 Wisdom app is like a treasure chest in my closet with two bins of dust on it.
• 26:39
  Like it's here.
• 26:40
  It's functioning.
• 26:41
  It's not just an idea Kevin Baisley has and it's like, that's cool.
• 26:43
  Good luck with that.
• 26:44
  It's like it's here.
• 26:46
  It's in this technological era.
• 26:47
  We can use creative ways to use technology for good to bless people, to reach the masses.
• 26:52
  Jesus said, You'll do greater things.
• 26:54
  You know, by by volume, I would imagine.
• 26:56
  You know, we're not doing anything greater than Christ, but we can we can have that great reach because Christ was in a geographic area.
• 27:03
  So here I am.
• 27:04
  So with the struggle in terms of that challenge of like, hey, Kevin, you have to be a provider.
• 27:08
  And I'm like, I've always worked, man.
• 27:10
  I love working.
• 27:10
  I'm from the Midwest.
• 27:11
  We work hard there.
• 27:12
  I enjoy it.
• 27:13
  I get up every morning.
• 27:14
  I hit the gym.
• 27:15
  I make it 25 days out of a month.
• 27:17
  I love to work.
• 27:18
  We are made to work.
• 27:20
  So the Lord has blessed us in this interim before the blessing.
• 27:23
  I've seated the earth.
• 27:24
  Like all the people I've communicated with, universities, companies, wellness programs.
• 27:29
  I've emailed President Trump, Vice President Vance, like I'm not a political dude.
• 27:33
  Everyone's wicked, but Christ, but I have no shame about this because this is valuable.
• 27:37
  Wisdom is needed.
• 27:38
  People are freaking out.
• 27:40
  Since twenty twenty, man, people are are isolating more.
• 27:42
  And with tech, you can do that.
• 27:44
  You can um be gone.
• 27:46
  You'd just be so
• 27:48
  disconnected rather.
• 27:50
  So I have um done all these outreaches.
• 27:52
  We need to make revenue.
• 27:54
  But again, I think of all the biblical prototypes or or types there are in scripture, Joseph, I I see myself as a Joseph type.
• 28:00
  It's like the Lord has given me a vision.
• 28:02
  He gave it to me.
• 28:02
  This isn't my app.
• 28:04
  I'm not that guy.
• 28:05
  It's from Christ Jesus.
• 28:06
  Holy Spirit did it and I see his hand on it.
• 28:09
  When people use it, they tell me when I use it, I'm like, I'll get tears and I'll be like, Jesus, I see what you're doing here.
• 28:15
  So I have been faithful.
• 28:16
  Joseph was faithful.
• 28:18
  He wasn't seeing anything for some time.
• 28:20
  But it said, and the Lord was with him.
• 28:22
  And the Lord was with him.
• 28:22
  What the Lord has done with me is teaching me, son, I'm with you.
• 28:26
  You've seeded the earth.
• 28:27
  You're not going to get the cornheads popping up like a week later, a month later.
• 28:30
  I just released this June 3rd.
• 28:32
  I just got on Apple August 8th.
• 28:34
  And today's October 9th.
• 28:35
  Like it it's it's it takes time.
• 28:39
  And so therefore, in my spirit, as Christ has been working on me, he's
• 28:43
  You know, and there's been a few times where I'm like, Lord, I can get another job.
• 28:46
  Like, and then as I think, I'm like, how can I do that?
• 28:48
  This stuff takes my whole day working on so many things.
• 28:50
  I I I am everything with this.
• 28:52
  Like, there's no team.
• 28:54
  But the Lord has provided insofar as we have savings and we use a little bit of that.
• 28:59
  My wife is blessed to work.
• 29:01
  we financially we're okay.
• 29:03
  Uh there's some depletion in certain areas, but we're not poverty mindset.
• 29:07
  We're not like
• 29:08
  Are you kidding me?
• 29:09
  We're children of Abba God.
• 29:10
  We're heirs to the throne.
• 29:11
  He's going to, he says, I am a rewarder of those who diligently seek me.
• 29:16
  I look in the mirror, Kevin.
• 29:17
  Are you diligently seeking Jesus?
• 29:18
  Heck yes, I am.
• 29:20
  Will he reward you?
• 29:21
  Absolutely.
• 29:22
  The workman will get his wages.
• 29:24
  I think 2 Timothy in the same verse.
• 29:27
  The ox will not be muzzled while he treads the grain.
• 29:30
  Hey, I'm more than an ox, man.
• 29:32
  I'm in God's image.
• 29:34
  So if that ox can eat some food while he's working, hey, what?
• 29:37
  Kevin isn't gonna get my bread from my labor.
• 29:40
  I will.
• 29:41
  But in the meantime, Doug, it's crazy.
• 29:43
  It's like the greater thing Jesus has been doing is just my my character building, my faith growing, my spiritual muscle.
• 29:50
  I feel like a beast out here because I'm going through so much hard stuff.
• 29:55
  And sometimes, you know, there's there's people who have been in my life who and who are in my life.
• 30:00
  And you would think like everyone is gonna be like, Hey, Kev, wow, how you doing, bro?
• 30:04
  And we got you, and and
• 30:05
  You know, just expressing support and whatnot.
• 30:08
  And everyone's busy.
• 30:09
  So I sometimes I think people we don't think of, you know, when a brother is maybe struggling or doing a grand endeavor or could use some encouragement, sometimes it has
• 30:17
  been crickets.
• 30:19
  And as I've been reflecting on that, I'm like, you know, how is this?
• 30:22
  And even some of the outreaches I've made from from organizations and universities and people and ministries I've known from the past, crickets.
• 30:29
  I'm like, Lord, this is weird.
• 30:32
  But then
• 30:33
  I got to a point where I'm like, okay, this is from the Lord.
• 30:36
  This is not, this is not normal.
• 30:38
  Like I'm not doing uh the the endeavor I'm doing is of the Lord.
• 30:42
  And it's it's it's a grand endeavor, like a good holy thing, I would even call it.
• 30:46
  Like just doing this thing in obedience that can touch millions, billions, secular world, getting this app, and they might be like, I don't like this scripture and scroll past it,
• 30:55
  but they're gonna get value from the other citations, but their eyes are still gonna see the scripture.
• 31:02
  And faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word, Romans 10, 17.
• 31:05
  So I'm trying to be the Apostle Paul, all things to all men, so I might save some.
• 31:10
  You know, this app, I wouldn't say it's overtly Christian, but we are doing some renovations and tweaking in in kind of the generation of the wisdom.
• 31:18
  But I I built it that way.
• 31:19
  And that was in my spirit initially.
• 31:20
  I'm like, I want the secular world to find value here.
• 31:24
  I want them to come across us and be like, you know, they're skipping, they might be skipping the scripture every time they use it, but.
• 31:30
  There might come a time where they're like, that's really deep.
• 31:32
  And well, I didn't know that was in the Bible.
• 31:34
  And maybe I'll pick up a Bible, go to church, talk to my mother, grandmother who knows about Jesus.
• 31:39
  That's the whole hope.
• 31:40
  And so just circling back to, you know, the with the finances and the provision, it has been tough.
• 31:45
  And we're at a place right now where it's like stay the line, hold the course.
• 31:48
  The harvest is coming.
• 31:49
  Here we are in the fall.
• 31:50
  Perfect timetable for the harvest.
• 31:53
  I have a business.
• 31:54
  Um
• 31:55
  a conference coming up in um Birmingham, Alabama next week, October 14th.
• 31:59
  And in my spirit, I'm kind of sensing, Lord, you're gonna reveal more.
• 32:03
  We hope there's some breakthrough partnerships, something.
• 32:06
  And I'm meeting with a very prominent app creator from France and I'm very encouraged to have these conversations.
• 32:11
  But it's been a lot of faith building.
• 32:14
  These are radical things.
• 32:15
  When you think of the quote American way, sometimes you have to do these radical things where like you're not promised the paycheck or the anything, you know, like
• 32:24
  That's where I'm at.
• 32:24
  The Lord is transforming me from the inside.
• 32:27
  And I grind, I go hard all day.
• 32:29
  Cause I'm like, Lord, I want to provide for my dear wife.
• 32:31
  I want to uh be a blessing to masses with the revenue you could bring in.
• 32:35
  Yes, let us use that properly.
• 32:36
  Cause you know me, I'm halfway wanting to be in glory, but you know, you can trust one like me because I trust me.
• 32:42
  I cause I've done all these things and I'm gonna continue because you're worthy, Lord.
• 32:46
  Oh, I I I love all that, Kevin.
• 32:48
  Uh it also makes me think like I I've I've shared this a lot, is that God we need to thank God for unanswered prayers sometimes.
• 32:57
  Sometimes we want that um payoff.
• 33:00
  Like we want to start something and pay be paid off a week from now, right?
• 33:04
  And be like, Oh yeah, God came through.
• 33:06
  No, sometimes God withholds because he's growing us, right?
• 33:12
  So that we are prepared for what he has for us on the other side because otherwise if he gives it to us too early, we're not prepared for it and we will not be proper stewards of
• 33:20
  of what he has for us.
• 33:21
  So um I I I feel like you feel the same way.
• 33:25
  Absolutely.
• 33:26
  And referring back to Joseph, I mean, the same thing with him.
• 33:29
  If he would have just got the culmination and the power to bless all the people who'd be starving from the famine with no character build, especially when he was probably a little
• 33:37
  annoying, nagging kid, you know, when he first got the dream, hey, he was kind of bugging his brothers.
• 33:42
  The Lord had to maybe sober him up, say, Hey, look, this is a great thing I'm calling you to do.
• 33:46
  This isn't where I'm saying stick it to your brothers.
• 33:48
  You need to develop, you need to be put in the furnace, turned up.
• 33:51
  I'm gonna cook you a little bit in Egypt.
• 33:53
  A Jew in Egypt, he had to feel a certain way about that.
• 33:56
  You're right, you're right, man.
• 33:57
  There's purpose in this.
• 33:59
  One thing I like to say is when it comes to the struggles and hardships in life, we need to look at it like this is something that came to me years ago, and I always consider
• 34:08
  this.
• 34:08
  Like we need to hug the cactus.
• 34:11
  We need to hug the cactus.
• 34:12
  If there's something hard, the response is jerk your hand away.
• 34:16
  We need to embrace the cactus, squeeze it, and say, This is what you have for me, Lord.
• 34:20
  And then the next step as the Lord sanctifies us, levels us up, we need to learn how to smile and find joy while we're in that.
• 34:26
  That's where I'm at, where I'm like, I'll hug cactuses, Lord, but now I want to, I want to smile and I want to say, look, this is from you, Lord.
• 34:33
  You and I thank Jesus every day.
• 34:35
  I say, Thank you for the pleasant and the painful.
• 34:37
  Shall we not receive the bad with the good?
• 34:40
  This is the point Jesus gets us to.
• 34:42
  And when Jesus was on the cross, man, he didn't take the gall mixture, uh
• 34:46
  To deaden his pain, right?
• 34:47
  That's I looked up Gaul.
• 34:48
  It's like it's a sedative.
• 34:49
  It's to get buzzed up so he doesn't feel the pain.
• 34:52
  He tasted, he said, No, he's like, I'm facing this uh sober, right?
• 34:57
  We get up, we do hard things.
• 34:59
  When the people came to bust Jesus, he said, Come arise, let's go.
• 35:03
  My accuser is here.
• 35:03
  He didn't say, Let's go.
• 35:05
  You see in movies, when they come to get you, you run.
• 35:06
  But Jesus said, We will face hard things, we will do hard things.
• 35:11
  Oh, that's so good.
• 35:13
  we have rewind moments that I like to call them on on the show.
• 35:16
  And I think everything you just said about uh I think that's Christian entrepreneurs.
• 35:21
  That's like maybe that motto could be we do hard things.
• 35:26
  Right?
• 35:27
  For for Christian entrepreneurs, we just do hard things because God has called us to do those things.
• 35:32
  Um so so good.
• 35:34
  So that's a rewind moment.
• 35:34
  So if you're listening or watching this on YouTube, rewind everything about
• 35:38
  about that um because that it that is so powerful.
• 35:41
  I wanna get into practicality with your app a little bit if we could.
• 35:44
  So can you take us through what an example might look like?
• 35:47
  Uh let's just take a fictional person, what they might be struggling with and they come to your app.
• 35:51
  W what what does that look like?
• 35:54
  Yeah, good question.
• 35:54
  So when they when they download the Listen 4 Wisdom app, we've just built some new features.
• 35:59
  So apart from, you know, typing in your query, you know, whatever you're struggling with, whatever you need godly wisdom on, there's four features.
• 36:06
  There's a heart check where you can kind of check in how are you doing?
• 36:09
  Anxious, happy.
• 36:10
  There's a preset, eight different emotions.
• 36:13
  It will give you scripture.
• 36:14
  It will give you a step you can do, and then it will give a prayer in in that free resource.
• 36:19
  There's a random scripture generator.
• 36:21
  This is um, it's just you need a quick word from the Lord.
• 36:24
  You hit shuffle and you get a random scripture pop up.
• 36:27
  There is the verse of the day, just a scripture for the day.
• 36:30
  Um, and there's daily devotion, just like a devotion.
• 36:34
  And these tools are awesome.
• 36:35
  I use them every, every day in the prayer closet.
• 36:37
  And uh when I get on the treadmill at the gym, I they're they're powerful, they're helpful, just getting more word.
• 36:42
  And we're all busy.
• 36:43
  Sometimes we can't sit and spend an hour doing something, but we gotta be in the word.
• 36:47
  We gotta hear from the voice of Messiah.
• 36:50
  Apart from those things, and there's also a need prayer.
• 36:52
  If you need any prayer requests, you hit that, takes you to our website, listen4wisdom.com.
• 36:57
  You can do a a prayer request or a praise report or any questions you have.
• 37:02
  That's available free always.
• 37:03
  Um, but the query part where you enter the thing you need wisdom.
• 37:07
  Let's say, for example, we've got Joe.
• 37:10
  He's 30 years old.
• 37:11
  He needs uh maybe he needs a job, maybe he has a a substance issue.
• 37:16
  relationship issue.
• 37:17
  Maybe he's got some trauma in his life.
• 37:19
  Maybe even there's some self-harm.
• 37:22
  We have built in with the code with the app.
• 37:24
  If there's ever any self-harm type of query, right away it's talking about you can text 988, call 911.
• 37:30
  There's it's it's like a counselor.
• 37:32
  It's like a pastor, counselor, life coach in one.
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  You know, I say the word like there's no replacement, but it is a powerful tool.
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  You're a college kid in your dorm.
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  You're feeling depressed on a Friday night and you're not going out, whatever.
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  You hit that up quick, boom.
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  It's gonna speak kind of like the connection in terms of how I built it.
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  With technology, it depends on who is behind it with the wiring and the coding.
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  The way I built the code, and code is something Jesus showed me because I didn't know anything about this.
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  When I first saw it, it was like the Matrix, but then I'm like, I understand all of this.
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  And I do.
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  I created and I said, be like me in terms of I was a counselor and I'm always always have been encouraging.
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  And I use metaphor and examples to help knowledge and wisdom and understanding that is integrated throughout the experience.
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  Um there's always something you can tell a person to do.
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  If you go to a counselor, they might say, Hey, until we meet again in two weeks or a month, um, try to do maybe something in general, or maybe it's sp specific, but there
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  might not be steps on like, well, how does that look?
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  How do I try not to worry too much?
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  This gives you stuff you can be on your break from Starbucks in your car on a 15 minute break and you enter something quick.
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  And again, in less than 20 seconds, you're getting a seven-part plan of action, scripture, the psychology, the practical steps you you can do in your car.
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  It might be make a quick list.
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  It might be, you know, call a trusted person, share this thing.
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  It might be some deep breathing.
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  It might be like have a good posture, whatever your query is.
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  Uh, it's something actionable right away.
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  That was something big.
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  I'm like, I want this to be, and I sense from the Holy Spirit, something that people can do right away.
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  Yeah.
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  hard to maybe get on a waiting list or pay 150 bucks for a counselor.
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  So you can get something where in the privacy, if you're not even ready for that yet, or you're on a waiting list and you're like, I gotta do that.
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  But in the meantime, you enter your query up to a thousand characters, you hit enter.
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  Uh, in generally about less than twenty seconds.
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  Sometimes you know, it takes um it's kinda faster.
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  It's it's usually fast, is what I'm trying to say.
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  And it it begins with it breaks down
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  your wisdom.
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  Like it's a summary quick statement saying what um the app has heard you type in.
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  And it'll address you by name in your little profile when you sign up.
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  So it'll say, for example, for this character, Joe, you're dealing with and it'll summarize like a like a good counselor would, what they hear you say.
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  What I hear you saying is this.
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  It breaks it down, boom.
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  And it's wired and coded.
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  It's like get to the point.
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  If he's talking about my, you know, noisy neighbors, kind of annoying, but anyways like it's gonna stay focused.
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  It does that.
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  Then it's going to pull three scriptures that are not just random.
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  They are wired, coded.
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  It's perfectly pertaining to what you enter.
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  Every time you query it, you're going to see like this applies.
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  This is not like what is this?
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  This is like this is speaking to me.
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  The word of God speaking right away.
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  And then it gets into your next steps.
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  There's a step one, a step two, cited citations, professionals, sources, what you can do.
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  The step three under that section is the synergy statement.
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  Actually, right before that is um identity anchor.
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  So I I introduce another scripture that is just gonna bless you.
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  Again, the apostle Paul, all things to all men.
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  We're given value, but we're we're continuing to come back to Christ.
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  And then the synergy statement right below that is synergizing the step one and step two, kind of in summary fashion, to break it down.
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  And then it goes into coach's corner, where it's kind of like the the
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  the practical encouragement, almost like life coaching.
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  Encouragement is speaking more.
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  There's more citations and more just encouragement.
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  Like you can do this.
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  There is a section talking about uh worth considering.
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  Now this my wife Kim helped me consider this.
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  She's like, sweetheart, you always think of the one to three percent chance of something happening.
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  You should build that in.
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  I prayed unto the Lord.
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  I'm like, amen.
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  Absolutely.
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  I said I do.
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  I'm I'm the type of dude who is looking for that
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  Minuscule things, it's like when it happens, we got to be ready.
• 41:29
  So we built in the app.
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  It says, now, heads up, basically, as you make progress, as you do good, as any good counselor would say, you want to tell a person, hey, do all these things, you're gonna be
• 41:39
  great.
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  But you also want to say, hey, heads up, look, this could happen.
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  This could derail you.
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  Don't try to do everything at once.
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  It's so helpful.
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  Like when you use it, you're flowing, you're thinking, okay, I got some things to do and I see how it could be and I got to do this.
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  And then you get that word saying, hey, look, start with the one thing or you know, whatever, whatever, however, it determines per the query.
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  Beautiful, super helpful.
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  And then it continues on to your your weekly homework.
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  There's a little homework assignment and it's it's attainable, it's not a lengthy thing.
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  It will tell you, hey, out of all the wisdom you got, and you can work on a lot there, uh, it'll say, do this one thing and make sure you do this.
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  Let this be the thing that you're gonna kind of focus on presently and for the week.
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  This is the experience you get.
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  So it's not just like a chatbot or a Christian fortune cookie.
• 42:28
  It's like a plan of action.
• 42:29
  Again, that's why I'm confident saying this is like a pastor, counselor, life coach saying, like it's technology, but this is a mobile thing in your hand.
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  Hey, you need some help, you need some wisdom on anything.
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  This is going to be highly customizable.
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  You can text it to yourself, you can print it, you can share it locally.
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  We don't store any query on our servers, but on your device, you can store store all of this.
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  Then in the app experience, there's a button that says go deeper.
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  And it's got our pulsating microphone um branding.
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  You click on that, that goes to the foundation page, and that gives you that gives you the gospel.
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  What's the gospel?
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  The good news.
• 43:06
  It tells you the sin problem, two scriptures on what's the problem?
• 43:09
  Well, what's with sin?
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  What do I need Jesus for?
• 43:11
  And then it tells you you need Jesus.
• 43:14
  And then there is a link to a four-minute video by yours truly.
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  Where I just say, hey, we're gonna get you right back to the app.
• 43:20
  Uh you're gonna learn learn a lot of things.
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  I trust you're loving it.
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  But if you learn all this stuff and you apply all this and you grow, fantastic.
• 43:29
  But if you miss getting Christ, you've missed it all.
• 43:35
  So that was on my spirit from the Lord.
• 43:38
  I'm like, as I build all this, it's like, Kev, this got value.
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  This is gonna help people anywhere.
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  Anybody, you're 20 years old, you're 80 years old.
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  If you use devices like
• 43:46
  You need some wisdom.
• 43:47
  And not to say it's going to supplant uh, you know, scripture, not at all.
• 43:51
  That scripture's in there, but it's going to help you with the mindset, the mentality, the psychology, the trusted resources and practicality of what you can do, and then the
• 44:00
  practical application, how you can do it right away.
• 44:04
  Uh, but the gospel peace, like that, that was central in my spirit.
• 44:07
  It's like, have you got to hit them with you already integrated?
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  I've already acted like Paul, all things are all men.
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  The secular world will appreciate this.
• 44:14
  But I'm like, go deeper.
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  And that's why I said go deeper.
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  I wanted it to be kind of covert, like people, you know, I was pulsating a little bit.
• 44:20
  Like, what is that?
• 44:21
  This is an interesting app.
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  There is nothing like this.
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  Let me go deeper.
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  You go deeper, you get Christ, you get the bullseye.
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  And Jesus can move in these things.
• 44:29
  You hear that the gospel presentation I give in the video and just even the four scriptures listed.
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  faith comes by hearing.
• 44:36
  That's what saved me, going all the way back to when somebody left that New Testament in the community college and I read it.
• 44:42
  twice and boom, faith came my me hearing the the formal word of God by reading the scripture.
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  That's Listen 4 Wisdom.
• 44:49
  It's it's available like I said on on every device in every country.
• 44:53
  Also I failed to mention mention there's 13 uh total languages.
• 44:57
  So there's there's English, there's Spanish, there is uh Telugu in Hindi out of India, my my pastor buddy, we've been working together.
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  French, German, it is available in
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  Korean, uh Igbo, it's a Nigerian language.
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  We have many Nigerian brethren in Christ coming to know Jesus.
• 45:15
  It's available in Hebrew, in Hebrew and on the app, it goes right to left, like the Hebrew uh characters and such.
• 45:21
  And we end it with uh Arabic, Arabic, Arabic, same thing, right to left.
• 45:26
  So we're hitting all these nations.
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  Um when you use the app, there's a demo you can choose the language that will show you three
• 45:34
  Prepackage uh type of queries you could enter and see kind of how the wisdom renders.
• 45:39
  And this is where we are.
• 45:41
  We have this available everywhere.
• 45:42
  We just in our spirit, like we want this to get to the corners of the earth.
• 45:45
  In these last days, get wisdom, get Christ.
• 45:48
  The book of Proverbs, you know, before anything and above everything, get wisdom.
• 45:52
  Christ is wisdom and the practical help in here, the psychology, as I mentioned, all of this stuff, but you interweave it and infuse it with the scripture.
• 46:01
  Christ did this thing and it's here.
• 46:03
  And I'm so humble and I'm thankful and I can boast of this.
• 46:06
  As when I was trying to build my counseling business, I'm like, how do I talk about me?
• 46:09
  How am I so, you know, I was a good counselor, but who cares and who knows me?
• 46:14
  And I'm nobody.
• 46:15
  But when I built a tool that can get to billions, I'm like, I will boast of this because I because, Doug, you know, we're saved.
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  Our loved ones are saved.
• 46:25
  We're going, we've won.
• 46:26
  We're going.
• 46:27
  We're gonna cross the finish line.
• 46:29
  It's so fantastic.
• 46:30
  But when I think,
• 46:33
  Of people who are just on the slaughter conveyor belt to hell.
• 46:37
  If you're lost, you know, you're gone.
• 46:40
  And we are to be the light of the world, the salt of the earth.
• 46:43
  We can make a difference.
• 46:44
  And I encourage anybody watching, like if you feel like you can't, or who are you, hey, who am I?
• 46:48
  Like, it doesn't matter.
• 46:50
  The Lord Jesus might call you to say a certain thing to one person, man, to the checkout person at Aldi.
• 46:57
  It doesn't have to be grandiose.
• 46:59
  Maybe it will be, and he'll give you the power for that too.
• 47:01
  But until Jesus catches us away, until more mortal death, whatever it may be, if you're spirit filled, we're gonna, we're gonna do whatever Christ calls us to.
• 47:10
  The obedient thing, that's success.
• 47:12
  If you're a business person, you wanna be successful.
• 47:14
  Hey, it looks different from how the world looks at it.
• 47:17
  But if you're obeying Christ, trusting on him, going to him for your marching orders daily, uh, you have success, you've won, and you're going to make a difference.
• 47:27
  So good.
• 47:27
  Uh what I what I love most of all is is the scripture inclusion and the gospel shared on your app.
• 47:33
  But what I love secondly most of all is information is just information unless you apply action and you give them an action plan.
• 47:42
  Uh and and that anyone that that dives into your app, like if they if they execute the action, you're you're bettering lives, right?
• 47:52
  Um and that is
• 47:55
  showing God that way as well, right?
• 47:57
  When when you can use um a a tool that is God inspired um to help better lives.
• 48:04
  Um I applaud uh your your work and your effort in that, Kevin.
• 48:09
  It it's it's really, really good.
• 48:10
  I really want to dive into like um maybe we'll touch on this just a little bit.
• 48:16
  You went
• 48:17
  something that you you went into something much like a lot of people in the Bible, they've felt unqualified and unprepared to do the thing that they were about that that God had
• 48:24
  called them to do because they didn't have the knowledge base.
• 48:27
  Like you weren't a developer, you were a counselor, but God needed a counselor.
• 48:31
  He needed he didn't need a developer, right?
• 48:33
  So he called you, even though you thought, well, God, this is a this is this takes code and development, he equips us along the way, right?
• 48:42
  Yes.
• 48:43
  Absolutely.
• 48:44
  That that's that was my experience to a T.
• 48:46
  And so one might ask, like, hey, Kevin, how do you do that?
• 48:50
  How does that work exactly?
• 48:51
  How can you do that?
• 48:52
  It's a great question.
• 48:53
  This is a testimony to Yahweh, Messiah, King, Jesus, Holy Spirit.
• 48:57
  So how that can happen is number one, being willing, showing up.
• 49:04
  You know, honestly, in life, the Christian walk, especially, but this is a thing for everybody.
• 49:09
  Just showing up, just showing up with with you know, in obedience.
• 49:13
  I'm gonna talk about the Christian perspective, obviously.
• 49:15
  So if Christ Jesus calls you to something, just show up and say yes.
• 49:18
  You know, there could be a great endeavor.
• 49:20
  Like if I thought of this devoid of uh Holy Spirit in here, I don't I don't think I could make it.
• 49:25
  I think it would have floundered because Jesus would be like, dude, I didn't call you to that.
• 49:29
  You we're not gonna flourish that.
• 49:30
  We're not doing that.
• 49:31
  But how you can do this is
• 49:34
  Is a it's miraculous.
• 49:36
  I testified to miracles happened in this whole situation.
• 49:38
  Jesus will enlighten like in that moment when I couldn't sleep.
• 49:42
  Are you kidding me?
• 49:43
  I didn't know what Listen 4 Wisdom was gonna be, but I knew it was.
• 49:46
  I was sensing in my spirit, it's like it's something.
• 49:48
  I look at the logo and I'm like, this is something.
• 49:50
  It's just not counseling, it's not Moses with the Israelites um being a burden, wearying yourself out.
• 49:56
  It's it's teaching them the word, teaching them what to do, teaching them so that they can do their work.
• 50:01
  It's that.
• 50:02
  So it is, it is, it begins really with seeking, seeking Jesus, seeking his face.
• 50:09
  Matthew chapter six, I should get a t-shirt that just says prayer closet because this is a thing.
• 50:13
  Like this is a real thing.
• 50:14
  When you think who is going to go into your closet and shut the door, I do that.
• 50:18
  I I have a fold-up chair in there and I have a vacuum right in front of me.
• 50:21
  And I I I sit there and and I seek him because he says, When you seek me, you will find me, and I believe him.
• 50:28
  Because I've seen his hand in my life for 10 years, and it has been miraculous.
• 50:33
  So you can build an app with no experience by um asking the Lord what you're supposed to do, you know, and then uh listening and then obeying the direction and then showing up and
• 50:47
  trusting that, okay, I'm here, first day on the job.
• 50:49
  You don't know what you're doing, but you're like, you know, you got hired, you know the man, the boss has.
• 50:55
  Faith in you, it'll be all right, you'll figure it out.
• 50:57
  Jesus will show.
• 50:57
  And my boss, our boss, is the creator of the universe.
• 51:01
  He's gonna flesh it out.
• 51:02
  He's not gonna call you to something and be like, go for it.
• 51:05
  No, he just may put the spotlight, you know, three feet.
• 51:07
  Well, then he widens that thing.
• 51:09
  And then he brings, you know, you got a Paul, you got a Silas, you got a Timothy, you got Titus, he'll bring brethren.
• 51:16
  And that's a beautiful thing when you think of Elijah going through the stuff he went through.
• 51:20
  He was freaking out.
• 51:21
  He's like, it's only me.
• 51:22
  The Lord said, there's 7,000 others out there.
• 51:24
  And then he gave him direction to, I think he anointed some brethren.
• 51:29
  He started to get some.
• 51:30
  The Lord said, I got you.
• 51:32
  You're not going to be solo.
• 51:35
  So you can continue to do these things by doing these things I've mentioned, but maintenance, you need to continue.
• 51:41
  What is our walk?
• 51:42
  What is our practice?
• 51:43
  You hear about that in sin a lot.
• 51:45
  Like you know, if your walk and practice is not righteousness, one needs to look in the mirror and be like, Am I saved?
• 51:52
  We are not sinners.
• 51:54
  I don't I don't agree when people say that.
• 51:56
  I'm a saint who sins sometimes, but my identity, my walk in practice is righteous by by Christ's Holy Spirit in me, of course.
• 52:03
  It must be.
• 52:04
  But we will sin at times.
• 52:06
  But we need to maintain in obedience.
• 52:10
  We need to maintain.
• 52:11
  We can't just be like, Well, I did it, Lord.
• 52:12
  I said yes.
• 52:13
  And then what?
• 52:14
  Are we letting sin?
• 52:15
  Are we opening a door?
• 52:16
  We cannot, because the devil is the accuser of the brethren.
• 52:20
  Yeah.
• 52:20
  up there yapping at Jesus, saying, Hey, so-and-so did this.
• 52:24
  And if he's got a case, the Lord is like, You're right, go get him.
• 52:27
  Hey, that can happen.
• 52:28
  Man, we read about that in scripture.
• 52:30
  The Lord, Paul said, I'm gonna give him over to his flesh to Satan, so in that day his soul might be saved.
• 52:36
  This is a real thing.
• 52:37
  You read in Revelation to the churches of God, seven different types mentioned.
• 52:42
  If you tolerate Jezebel, I'll throw you on a sick bed and I will kill you.
• 52:45
  The scripture says explicitly.
• 52:47
  I believe your mortality can be snuffed out.
• 52:50
  You'll go to glory, but you might get your card pulled quick.
• 52:53
  Then you get to glory, you're like, ah, I was playing with that, wasn't I?
• 52:57
  And the Lord would be like, Yeah, you're an ambassador for me.
• 52:59
  I couldn't have it.
• 53:00
  You're here, I love you, but you know, there will be no more tears.
• 53:02
  You you have it, but then there will be no more tears.
• 53:04
  The Lord would be like, We're good.
• 53:05
  You're glorified and new.
• 53:07
  We're we're good.
• 53:09
  But to do this coding thing, to do an endeavor you are not educated or understanding with.
• 53:15
  You do these things and you continue to make it your walk in practice.
• 53:18
  Therefore, I continue to go in my prayer closet daily without exception because I need that humble, lonely place.
• 53:27
  Christ oftentimes went to a lonely place.
• 53:29
  I do this, these activities, this scripture, this prayer closet in the morning.
• 53:33
  I give the Lord my first fruits.
• 53:35
  And then I come out and I will take a towel, put it on the floor, and lay on the floor, and I will just empty myself to the Lord.
• 53:42
  I say, All right, Lord, I submit to you.
• 53:44
  What are we doing today?
• 53:44
  Bless the work of my hands.
• 53:46
  Um, whatever you want, fill me with your spirit, Lord, uh, and and and such.
• 53:51
  And then I get up and I'm like, I'm yoked to Christ, like scripture says, we go together.
• 53:56
  This is how you can do these things.
• 53:57
  It just starts with the obedience.
• 53:59
  It starts with the showing up and trusting.
• 54:02
  And then as your character is developed, as you are sanctified, you gain the courage, the confidence.
• 54:07
  I can email President Trump and Vice President Vance and all these guys, apply for Shark Tank.
• 54:11
  I can talk to anybody.
• 54:12
  I do.
• 54:13
  I talk to them all.
• 54:13
  I'm like, somebody will open the door and I've seeded the earth and the crop is ready to pop.
• 54:19
  And Jesus might say, son, you've done everything you should.
• 54:22
  Right?
• 54:22
  The scripture says when we've done everything, we shouldn't be like, good for me.
• 54:25
  It's like you do what you're supposed to do.
• 54:28
  But then I could see Messiah bringing, bringing the blessing and something I didn't even do.
• 54:32
  He might be like, Hey, here's this venture capitalist.
• 54:34
  He'll give you $250,000.
• 54:36
  Go.
• 54:36
  And I'll be like, I should have known, Lord.
• 54:38
  I should've known because I did my part.
• 54:40
  You're gonna do your part.
• 54:41
  It is our part to do the effort and it is his part to bring the results.
• 54:46
  So at the end of the day, if anyone is looking to do a thing you're called to and you don't know about, but you're like, that's I think from the Lord and I should do that.
• 54:54
  Yeah, do do these things, continue to walk, and he will develop you so you can just continue to have the stamina and strength to persevere and continue.
• 55:03
  Amen to all that.
• 55:05
  So where can people find out more about the app?
• 55:07
  Where can they get the app?
• 55:08
  I you know I know you mentioned Google, you mentioned Apple.
• 55:10
  Um just give us every every resource that you want people to tap into.
• 55:15
  Yeah, thank you.
• 55:16
  Definitely you can go to listen for the number four, listenfor wisdom.com.
• 55:20
  We have a website.
• 55:21
  You can check out the app there, um, get some more information on it, a little bit more information about me as well.
• 55:26
  we're on all the the social media for the most part: Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, my LinkedIn, Kevin Baisley, you can get more information there.
• 55:36
  But yeah, it's available on the App Store and Google Play.
• 55:39
  Any device you have, you can get it.
• 55:40
  Any country you're in, you can get it.
• 55:43
  And any of those 13 languages I mentioned, or if you know somebody who speaks those languages, definitely share the app, try, leave us a review.
• 55:50
  Uh, we would appreciate it.
• 55:52
  But that's where you can find it.
• 55:55
  Nice.
• 55:56
  Well, I higher highly encourage everyone to go check out the app.
• 55:59
  Um, just examine your examine your life, examine your heart, take take something to the app and see what result it g it gives you back.
• 56:05
  Um it it it sounds amazing.
• 56:09
  I I've yet to try it myself, but it sounds uh really, really amazing.
• 56:12
  So those links are below.
• 56:13
  Make sure you go um check it out.
• 56:16
  and we ask one last question, Kevin, everyone that comes on uh the podcast.
• 56:20
  And that's because I hate to leave any wisdom left unsaid.
• 56:23
  There may have been something that you would you're like, Doug, I wish Doug would ask me that because I really wanted to share that.
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  so this is free form.
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  Do you have any advice, wisdom, insights that you'd like to share with the audience that maybe you didn't get to share yet?
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  Yeah, I would share as we seek to gain godly wisdom, to be more Christ-like, to, you know, just understand more about the reality we live in.
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  We're on the path.
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  I think even the secular world would like to be like more excellent, functioning better, doing well, knowing more, knowledge.
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  To realize as you you get on the path of that worthy endeavor, that worthy lifestyle, that worthy practice walk and direction.
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  To also, I would say this.
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  Two things.
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  Like how the scripture tells us so many times to be patient.
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  And it tells us also to wait on the Lord.
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  There's some scripture verses when you read them, like twice in a sentence, it says, wait on the Lord, says some more, and then it says, wait on the Lord.
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  I would say that you have to pace yourself.
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  He will give you the stamina.
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  And and I say this mostly a lot to myself also, because I'm like, Jesus, you saved me 10 years ago.
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  I had a different walk than many, many brethren I I meet.
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  They're like, I'll ask them, How long you been saved?
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  And they'll be like, Since they were a child.
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  And I'm like, tell me about it.
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  How wow, cool.
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  How what has your life been like?
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  I've had it 10 years and this is a blast.
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  What has it been for you knowing these things and not doing stupid things, you know, hopefully too much?
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  And such.
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  But for me, you know, it's I I need to understand that as well.
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  It it's a process, it's a difficult, different thing for me in terms of, you know.
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  You're you're doing mission.
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  This is business's mission, like trying to bring in revenue as well.
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  So therefore I'm not like, you know, I've been working hard.
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  I'm gonna take Friday off, go to the beach.
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  I live in Florida.
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  I don't do that.
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  I I don't take days off.
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  Like it's uh Monday through Friday.
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  I generally like, no, I don't take any time off.
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  But I would say to everyone else, um, be patient, wait on the Lord, uh, continue to uh specifically, I'll add this.
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  Be specific in in your prayer.
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  Don't be vague, don't say just, you know, help me, Lord.
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  Definitely, I mean, you can do that, but go deeper, get into layers.
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  Say, King Jesus, I need to make some money this month.
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  Uh, show me open that door to who it will be.
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  Lord, you have blessed me to be a blessing.
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  Let me be bold in whoever I talk to.
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  Let me glorify you in my talk.
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  But please bring me my bread, Jesus.
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  You know, I have expenses.
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  I don't want to be like an infidel.
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  I have to provide for my family.
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  We do these things.
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  And let's not worry in our prayer.
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  Let's just make it legit and clear and say, Jesus, thank you for this opportunity.
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  In your name we pray, amen.
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  Keep it moving.
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  Go to the next thing.
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  So I would add that as well.
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  Wait on the Lord.
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  Be patient.
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  Do your best effort and just keep keep the obedience thing.
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  The obedience thing is so massive because if if you're not walking in that, uh, the scripture says he will not listen to the prayers of the unrighteous.
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  But we could be righteous, we have Christ, but if we have sin, that's a problem.
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  So make sure, first John 1 9, confess your sin.
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  He'll forgive you and he'll cleanse you of all unrighteousness.
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  You've cleared the line.
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  Now he's like, I can hear you, son.
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  And you can speak to me and we'll do things.
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  But do that and you'll you'll see the success comes.
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  It is a matter of time for me in terms of the the corn heads to pop up as it were.
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  But in the meantime, I'm like, the greater thing is like you're making me spiritual he-man.
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  I feel massive in the stuff that he's doing in my character.
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  And I'm like, this is pretty fun, Lord.
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  I'm gonna trust on you to bring the increase.
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  Amen.
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  Amen.
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  thank you so much, Kevin.
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  This has been amazing.
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  Make sure you go check out the Listen 4 Wisdom app.
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  And until next on time entrepreneurs, keep moving forward.
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