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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 2-25-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 2: Utah Basketball, Man, it is. It is a tough go
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Speaker 2: right now, and we knew that was going to be
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Speaker 2: the case, and the rebuild was going to be probably
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Speaker 2: slow and was going to take some investment and some
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Speaker 2: attention and some effort from the fan base. And Iowa
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Speaker 2: State comes in as one of the top teams in
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Speaker 2: the country, so not necessarily the litmus test that's going
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Speaker 2: to give you a great sense of your progress because
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Speaker 2: they make a lot of people look bad. Twenty four
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Speaker 2: and four on the season, eleven and four so far
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Speaker 2: in Big Twelve play. Iowa State is a really really
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Speaker 2: good team. That's why they've got that number next to
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Speaker 2: their name. They are coming off wins against Kansas, against Houston.
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Speaker 2: Now they lost to BYU, and usually the second half
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Speaker 2: of the high altitude Swing gives you a better shot.
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Speaker 3: Here.
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Speaker 2: Iowa State will finish out with Texas Tech, Arizona and
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Speaker 2: Arizona State. By the way, their schedule was backloaded to
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Speaker 2: a certain extent, it helped them to build.
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Speaker 3: The record they've got.
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Speaker 2: They beat Perdue when Purdue was the number one team
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Speaker 2: in the country on the road. Iowa State is good.
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Speaker 2: What you saw from Utah last night was at times
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Speaker 2: a spirited efforts, other times a little bit lackluster. Shot
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Speaker 2: selection all over the place, ball handling and passing all
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Speaker 2: over the place.
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Speaker 3: Terrence Brown turned the ball over seven times.
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Speaker 2: He scored eighteen points in thirty three minutes on ten shots.
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Speaker 2: It was not a bad night for him. Don McHenry
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Speaker 2: added fourteen. Kean U Dawes had a really good rebounding night.
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Speaker 2: He let all rebounders in the game. But man, it
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Speaker 2: is just hard to find consistency. And I'm starting to, well,
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Speaker 2: I guess not starting to, but I'm it's being reiterated
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Speaker 2: for me. How the thing that can separate bad teams
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Speaker 2: from good teams, good teams from great teams, great teams
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Speaker 2: from elite teams is the consistency with which you perform
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Speaker 2: at or near your maximum capabilities. When Utah is that
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Speaker 2: or near its maximum capability, when they are humming, They're
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Speaker 2: still probably not going to beat most days Iowa State
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Speaker 2: because they're just further along right now as a basketball program.
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Speaker 2: But you have to be performing consistently in this Big
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Speaker 2: Twelve conference if you have any hope of making any
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Speaker 2: kind of progress, any kind of splash, any kind of
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Speaker 2: real noise. You tell faalse to two and thirteen in
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Speaker 2: conference play, they're eight games below five hundred on the season,
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Speaker 2: Alex Jensen, you can tell again sometimes is really really
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Speaker 2: getting through to these guys. You'll see these flashes where
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Speaker 2: a conkba wants to go up and challenge a shot.
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Speaker 2: You'll see these flashes where Keanu Dawes is diving onto
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Speaker 2: the floor to grab a loose ball or to get
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Speaker 2: after a rebound that went astray. You'll see some little
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Speaker 2: flashes when the ball gets distributed. You know it's one past,
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Speaker 2: two past three passes. I could go play some hero
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Speaker 2: ball right now, but instead I'm gonna pass up that opportunity.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give a shot to the open man, and
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Speaker 2: you'll see it in like spur in short little staccato.
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Speaker 2: Oh look, I got four points here that looked like
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Speaker 2: we're playing big time basketball, and then I gave up
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Speaker 2: four points to look like this is a high school
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Speaker 2: team from an efforts standpoint. And then oh, look at this.
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Speaker 2: After a time out, We've got about three minutes of
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Speaker 2: really really solid ball handling and distribution, and there's looks
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Speaker 2: like there's some level of communication out there on the
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Speaker 2: floor and then.
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Speaker 5: That erodes, that goes away. And for me, that's less
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Speaker 5: of a talent thing.
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Speaker 3: And more of a.
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Speaker 2: Culture thing, more of a chemistry thing. That's probably a
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Speaker 2: better way to say it, because culture is deeper than chemistry.
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Speaker 3: I think it's more of a chemistry thing.
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Speaker 2: And look, it's hard to build chemistry, and it's hard
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Speaker 2: to have a team that's really really cohesive and dialed
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Speaker 2: in and love each other and we'll go to bat
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Speaker 2: for each other in any situation on a deep, deep
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Speaker 2: level when you're not winning, right, it's just a natural
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Speaker 2: thing where that didn't go well, that turnover was your fault,
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Speaker 2: that turnover was my fault. We're gonna have a disagreement
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Speaker 2: about that. Film sessions are unpleasant. Practices are unpleasant. Class
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Speaker 2: is unpleasant.
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Speaker 5: Talking to your friends who don't play basketball can be unpleasant.
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Speaker 5: When basketball comes up. Tuning in on a Wednesday morning to.
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Speaker 2: Hear some guy on the radio talking about how inconsistent
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Speaker 2: your team is, that's unpleasant, right, It's hard. And I
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Speaker 2: don't think because we knew this was going to be
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Speaker 2: part of the process. I don't think there's any reason
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Speaker 2: to panic. I just think that there's a lot you
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Speaker 2: have to evaluate from a roster, a strategy, and a
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Speaker 2: long term goal standpoint for this Utah men's basketball team.
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Speaker 2: And again, you don't have to do it based on
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Speaker 2: an Iowa State loss, because Iowa State is one of
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Speaker 2: the best teams in the country and they're gonna make
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Speaker 2: a lot of people look really, really, really bad. I'm
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Speaker 2: more worried about what it means when you're losing close
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Speaker 2: games to Kansas State. You can't quite get over the
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Speaker 2: hump there. When you're losing by double digits to Oklahoma State,
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Speaker 2: I'm a little bit worried about when it's an eight
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Speaker 2: point loss to an Arizona State team Kansas Houston, Texas
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Speaker 2: Tech BYU Arizona. These are right now kind of excusable losses,
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Speaker 2: learning opportunities.
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Speaker 3: The rest of it.
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Speaker 2: You have to get yourself rapidly at least to the
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Speaker 2: middle of the pack, and that is going to require consistency.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, everybody in the country, even those
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Speaker 2: teams at the top, are fighting for that consistency.
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Speaker 3: We saw last night. I finished watching this game.
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Speaker 5: I actually was watching the game on my laptop while
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Speaker 5: my daughters were watching Mary Poppins for the first time,
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Speaker 5: and I have not watched Mary Poppins probably thirty years.
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Speaker 5: It's a weird show man. Oh great, it's great. It's
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Speaker 5: just weird like it is. It is, I know it,
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Speaker 5: so I.
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Speaker 2: Know it's incredibly innovative for the time, and that that's
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Speaker 2: why it became such a famous show.
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Speaker 3: And they made a movie about making the movie, which.
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Speaker 5: By the way, uh, saving mister Banks also a good
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Speaker 5: also really also a really good movie, right like tugs
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Speaker 5: at your tugs at your heart, thinking about your your
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Speaker 5: relationship with your own dad.
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Speaker 3: A little bit.
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Speaker 5: All of it was really really I mean it's good.
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Speaker 5: But did you see so you haven't seen Mary Poppins's Returns,
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Speaker 5: then I have, I just haven't. I saw that original.
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Speaker 5: I saw that on an airplane whatever when it came out.
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Speaker 5: I enjoyed that one too. I also liked it Verry Poppins,
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Speaker 5: she kind of can do no wrong in my eyes. Also,
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Speaker 5: Lynn Manuel Miranda the the he doesn't play, but the
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Speaker 5: Burt character is the burt Ish. He's thet Bert equivalent
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Speaker 5: in that one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, very talented guy, but you failed to appreciate when
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Speaker 2: you're young and you're watching these things like what a
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Speaker 2: fever dream? Yeah, Mary Poppins and bed knobs and broomsticks
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Speaker 2: and some of these they're all just completely unhinged.
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Speaker 3: They're totally insane. Never ending story.
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Speaker 2: Is the biggest, like walking nightmare of a movie that
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Speaker 2: you have ever seen, but you have all these great
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Speaker 2: memories of it when you were a kid.
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Speaker 3: It's beyond crazy. Labyrinth.
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Speaker 5: Labyrinth is crazy Labyrinth. That's one of my wife's favorites.
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Speaker 5: She'll watch it just randomly at different times of the year.
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Speaker 5: Halloween is obviously a time that she loves to watch it,
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Speaker 5: but she'll just I'll come home and she'll have Labyrinth on.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you doing?
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Speaker 5: Like I loved I loved The Dark Crystal when I
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Speaker 5: was a kid, and I'm like, oh, my kids would
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Speaker 5: love this.
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Speaker 2: I turned it off after exactly four seconds. It's terrifying. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: that's not what we're here for. I'm they're watching that.
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Speaker 2: I'm watching shout Out Chitty Chitty Bang Bangs, moving on.
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Speaker 5: I was never a huge fan of Chitty Chitty Weirdly enough,
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Speaker 5: I don't know why.
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Speaker 3: Probably the child snatcher so scary. Anyway, they're watching that.
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Speaker 2: I'm watching the game on my laptop, and it's it's
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Speaker 2: this like roller coaster of and this is an in
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Speaker 2: game process with Utah basketball, it's an in season process
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Speaker 2: with everyone else. And that in college hoops, I think
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Speaker 2: is kind of a normal thing. That in the NBA
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Speaker 2: is a normal thing. That in NHL hockey we're learning
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Speaker 2: is a normal thing. You can't really have a season
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Speaker 2: roller coaster in college football because you can't afford to
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Speaker 2: have like a slump. You just can't. If you have
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Speaker 2: a two game skit, it ruins your whole dang season,
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Speaker 2: right So in college basketball there's a little bit more
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Speaker 2: wiggle room, but the in game inconsistency has got to
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Speaker 2: be for this coach. I don't I don't have to speculate,
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Speaker 2: I don't have to say it has got to be.
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Speaker 2: It is absolutely maddening for this coaching staff. Alex Jensen
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Speaker 2: is aging in fast forward right now as the head
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Speaker 2: coach of Utah men's basketball, and I don't think he's
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Speaker 2: doing a bad job. I think that this job is
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Speaker 2: a heavier lift than maybe some of us gave it
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Speaker 2: credit for when we were all so emphatic. And yes,
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Speaker 2: he's got to be the guy. He's got to be
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Speaker 2: the guy. I one percent still believe that, but I
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Speaker 2: failed to account for how massive the gap was between
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Speaker 2: Utah basketball and the top eight teams in the Big
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Speaker 2: Twelve in where they're at right now as programs. And
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Speaker 2: a lot of that is centered around nil nil spending,
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Speaker 2: but the extension of that.
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Speaker 5: Is around the support for the team in the community.
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Speaker 2: And you look no further than attendance at Utah men's basketball.
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Speaker 3: I get it, it's your hard earned dollar.
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Speaker 2: You have a hard time going and watching what you
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Speaker 2: know are gonna be losing efforts or what you think
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Speaker 2: are gonna be losing efforts. But that's where the inconsistency is.
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Speaker 2: Not it is not excusable, but it is something that
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Speaker 2: kind of like permeates across all of it, all of us.
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Speaker 2: You can't we gotta not be fair weather fan base
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Speaker 2: for our Running Utes because we're not for Utah football,
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Speaker 2: or we we we aspire not to be for Utah football.
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Speaker 5: Give you an example. You know what's been bad basketball
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Speaker 5: for longer than Running Utes. It's been well, the Jazz
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Speaker 5: bad basketball. I mean, there's probably not long there's level
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Speaker 5: there's levels to this, maybe not longer, but for about
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Speaker 5: for that as long as the Jazz and they I
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Speaker 5: mean they announced sellouts when it's not really sellouts. But
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Speaker 5: if you go to the game, even the games that
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Speaker 5: aren't really sellouts, there's still there's still seventeen thousand plus
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Speaker 5: in that building and they're still having a great time.
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Speaker 5: It makes me wonder because the other thing, the other
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Speaker 5: complaints we've heard about running uts basketball has been the
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Speaker 5: has been about the Huntsman Center, has been about concessions
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Speaker 5: not being not being great options, and concessions maybe game
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Speaker 5: operations type stuff which NBA NBA teams like the Jazz
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Speaker 5: invested heavily in that, in that kind of stuff so
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Speaker 5: that when you have years like this, you still have
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Speaker 5: a good time at the game.
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Speaker 3: Right, I wonder in college can.
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Speaker 5: Is there anything that you can do for that that
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Speaker 5: would act that's actually going to tangibly increase and and
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Speaker 5: and lead to consistent increases in attendance.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that that there is.
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Speaker 2: I think you bring up a good point, and I
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Speaker 2: think the answer, unfortunately is no. Because the the benefit
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Speaker 2: that the Utah Jazz have is with forty one home
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Speaker 2: games and with NF television revenue, NFL, NBA television revenue,
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Speaker 2: coming in and all that stuff. The Jazz they could
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Speaker 2: kind of afford to have the five dollars tickets available,
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, so you can fill, you
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Speaker 2: can pack the place with families. You could do the
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Speaker 2: one dollar hot dog thing, you can do the two
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Speaker 2: dollar ice cream or the three dollar ice cream thing,
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Speaker 2: whatever you want. And you can also you could pay
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Speaker 2: like the spirit team, and you could pay the jazz dancers,
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Speaker 2: and you could pay Red Panda to do the halftime show,
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Speaker 2: and you could pay a house DJ.
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Speaker 3: I heard Red Panda was at the run Utes game
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Speaker 3: last night.
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Speaker 5: Incident. I may be a bad example, but but no,
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Speaker 5: I'm just saying, like they actually just to say they
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Speaker 5: probably Mark Harlan whoever, and all the other people in
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Speaker 5: charge administrative, Well, you're probably trying making an effort to
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Speaker 5: improve the things before they have the big renovation that
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Speaker 5: we're talking about. But yeah, like you like you're saying, financially,
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Speaker 5: the Jazz can afford that kind of stuff, like colleges
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Speaker 5: probably can't.
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Speaker 3: And it might not be that.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's just my uneducated mind on
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Speaker 2: and and by the way, this is not a problem,
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Speaker 2: this inconsistency. It's not a problem only for Utah basketball
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Speaker 2: now is it is a more hyper focused problem in
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Speaker 2: game because you'll see, like Iowa State, who's your opponent
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Speaker 2: last night, You'll see Iowa State have a bad stretch
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Speaker 2: of games.
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Speaker 3: They've lost back to back games.
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Speaker 2: I just think just maybe the one time this year
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Speaker 2: and they'll have maybe a bad quarter. But then when
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Speaker 2: they get it dialed back in the majority of the
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Speaker 2: game that Iowa State plays is going to be a
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Speaker 2: product that is recognizable to Cyclones fans, right, and is
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Speaker 2: going to be recognizable to the coaching staff as what
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Speaker 2: we have worked on and what we have struggled to
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Speaker 2: execute in practice. And there are many nights when Iowa
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Speaker 2: State goes wired to wire playing that kind of basketball.
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Speaker 2: That inconsistency, by the way, for Utah is somewhat expected
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Speaker 2: this year and not overly problematic because of that expectation
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Speaker 2: this year. We saw last night after the Utah game
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Speaker 2: goes final, after Mary Poppins is over.
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Speaker 3: Late tip off for all.
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Speaker 5: Of us, after Mary Poppins is overall, we were all
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Speaker 5: collectively watching that with you.
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Speaker 2: America was sitting down to retake in Mary Poppins last night.
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Speaker 2: After that's over, right, and you put the kids to bed.
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Speaker 2: BYU tips off, and you want to talk about inconsistency.
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Speaker 2: I spent the last two days being like, all right,
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Speaker 2: they found this formula without Richie Saunders. They just beat
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Speaker 2: Iowa State. They just beat Iowa State. Is that sustainable?
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Speaker 2: Is that something that they And there was just this emphatic,
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Speaker 2: screaming roar of the Cougar.
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Speaker 3: Answer.
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Speaker 1: No, No, it is not sustainable.
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Speaker 3: Why did you even ask that question?
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Speaker 5: That was as bad a performance as any ranked team
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Speaker 5: in any year.
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Speaker 2: Of college basketball has given us. I mean, in recent memory.
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Speaker 2: They were down ten points within two minutes, they were
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Speaker 2: down twenty at half, they got down thirty six at
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Speaker 2: some point in this game. There was a blessed moment
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Speaker 2: of terror if you're a BYU fan where you were
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Speaker 2: truly you were doubled up. It was UCF seventy BYU
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Speaker 2: thirty five.
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Speaker 3: With like six minutes left to play or something.
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Speaker 5: And listen, UCF's a good team now, but they're not
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Speaker 5: one of the best teams in the Big twelve. So
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Speaker 5: that's not at home especially, that's not one you should
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Speaker 5: be losing by that much.
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Speaker 2: Well, and that was what was so interesting about it, right,
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Speaker 2: is because if you were listening to like the BYU pregame.
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Speaker 2: If you heard what Jerrem Jordan said on the show yesterday,
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Speaker 2: you're like, hey, man, like, you can't sleep on UCF.
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Speaker 2: U CF is actually better than most people think they are.
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Speaker 2: U CF and BYU have the same conference record that
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Speaker 2: your closest equivalent from an inconference results and even from
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Speaker 2: a season results standpoint, even though they're not a ranked team.
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Speaker 3: Like UCF is on the on the same level.
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Speaker 5: I'd be ranked this coming week as BYU is right,
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Speaker 5: and so you're like, okay, so don't sleep on this,
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Speaker 5: don't don't don't overlook UCF.
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Speaker 2: There's absolutely no excuse to do it. It's easy for
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Speaker 2: teams to overlook Kansas State and Utah right now in
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Speaker 2: the conference. You forgive the human nature of twenty something
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Speaker 2: year olds at nineteen to twenty three year olds whatever
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Speaker 2: if they they fail to appreciate that. Again, this is
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Speaker 2: where that consistency thing comes in. That you have to
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Speaker 2: have a relatively constant level of execution effort across all
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Speaker 2: Big twelve games if you want consistent results there. So
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Speaker 2: that can't be the excuse for BYU. All that's a
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Speaker 2: it's just a trap game. You're coming off a big
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Speaker 2: win against Iowa State and UCF is nobody.
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Speaker 3: No, they're not, They're not nobody.
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Speaker 2: They're a really good basketball team, and they were shooting
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Speaker 2: hot in stretches last night, and there's only so much
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Speaker 2: you can do there. But BYU was abysmally bad in
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Speaker 2: a way that like, I mean, Kevin Young, he's already
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Speaker 2: flirting with disaster with that hairline.
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Speaker 3: It got a lot worse last night against UCF.
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Speaker 2: That was a horrifically bad game for BYU, and Utah
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Speaker 2: has turned in some stinkers this year. I'm not trying
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Speaker 2: to isolate the Koogs. The expectation level, the demand level,
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Speaker 2: the payroll for BYU is supposed to dictate that you
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Speaker 2: do not have games like that.
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Speaker 5: Are you gonna lose games? Absolutely yes. Are you gonna
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Speaker 5: lose games going away to UCF? Are you gonna get
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Speaker 5: blown out on your home floor by the Golden Knights?
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Speaker 5: I mean, if you put that on anyone's bingo card
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Speaker 5: in Provo this year, Hey, there's gonna be a late
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Speaker 5: February game against UCF and they're gonna come in unranked,
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Speaker 5: and you're gonna be kind of like creeping down the rankings.
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Speaker 3: But oh, coming off a huge win, so maybe climbing
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Speaker 3: back up.
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Speaker 5: And it's going to be the most embarrassing performance of
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Speaker 5: your season.
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Speaker 3: Nobody would have given it.
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Speaker 2: And that that is where again, the thing that can
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Speaker 2: separate really really good teams from great teams, great teams
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Speaker 2: from elite teams.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what category you want to put BYU in.
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Speaker 5: I think that they're somewhere between good and really good
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Speaker 5: right now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah they're not.
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Speaker 5: There are a couple of notches down from a great team,
20:53
Speaker 5: certainly not anywhere near an elite team. I mean they're
20:56
Speaker 5: gonna they're they're gonna be a six maybe seven seed
20:59
Speaker 5: in the NC Double Tournament.
21:00
Speaker 2: That that's a good team. Again, we Utah right now,
21:04
Speaker 2: we have to aspire to that level of consistency, that
21:07
Speaker 2: level of success.
21:09
Speaker 3: But man.
21:12
Speaker 2: BYU coming back down to earth after a really nice
21:15
Speaker 2: win against Iowa State and having the night that they
21:18
Speaker 2: had last night. If you're just looking at the box
21:21
Speaker 2: score today, it was a late game. Nobody on the
21:23
Speaker 2: East Coast watched this thing. That probably saves BYU to
21:27
Speaker 2: some extent, because a thirteen point loss is still a
21:32
Speaker 2: bad loss, but it doesn't tell the story of how
21:36
Speaker 2: horrific this performance was. Throughout, aj Debonsa had another night
21:44
Speaker 2: twenty nine points, eight rebounds. It took him twenty two
21:47
Speaker 2: shots to get those twenty nine points, which is not ideal.
21:51
Speaker 2: You shot thirty three percent from beyond the arc. That's
21:56
Speaker 2: not helping your case at all.
21:58
Speaker 5: And you see have to their credit, red hot BYU,
22:02
Speaker 5: to their credit, turn the ball over fewer times than
22:05
Speaker 5: YOUCF did.
22:07
Speaker 2: But again, there were just there, there was a there
22:11
Speaker 2: was a lack of urgency in certain situations, and really
22:16
Speaker 2: from the opening tip, that is inexcusable. It's inexcusable if
22:22
Speaker 2: you're Utah and you're a bad team in college basketball
22:25
Speaker 2: right now. It's that much more inexcusable when you have
22:30
Speaker 2: a twenty five million dollar pay roll and are supposed
22:33
Speaker 2: to be among the best teams in the Big Twelve Conference.
22:36
Speaker 2: I don't want to take any credit away from UCF.
22:38
Speaker 2: It's not an easy thing to go into that building
22:41
Speaker 2: and win. It's not an easy thing to go into
22:43
Speaker 2: that building and deal with the altitude change. And I
22:48
Speaker 2: mean your body clock says that that game tipped off
22:51
Speaker 2: at ten PM if you're from Florida, right, So give
22:55
Speaker 2: them the credit. That they deserve for it. It was
22:58
Speaker 2: a super solid team effort. Jordan Burks was excellent, but
23:02
Speaker 2: man BYU, even with twenty points from Rob Wright, who's
23:07
Speaker 2: been quieter as of late, just bad in that game.
23:13
Speaker 2: And that is where consistency might be the thing that
23:17
Speaker 2: I'm just looking for with every team from now on
23:21
Speaker 2: before I make it. And and BYU you've seen if
23:23
Speaker 2: you follow me on Twitter, you have, and you've listened
23:26
Speaker 2: to the show. You've seen me early in the season
23:28
Speaker 2: watching that BYU lineup when they're fully healthy, seeing Keba
23:32
Speaker 2: Kaida just filling in that role of I don't even
23:36
Speaker 2: need don't even give me the ball, I don't even
23:37
Speaker 2: want points. I'm here to block, steal, rebound, foul, and
23:41
Speaker 2: harass everybody else.
23:43
Speaker 3: And you got aj Debounca.
23:45
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, this this team is
23:49
Speaker 2: very very well constructed. This is a team that is
23:52
Speaker 2: going to be a nightmare for everyone in the Big
23:54
Speaker 2: twelve conference. And then you saw them running up against
23:56
Speaker 2: better competition when you got into conference play and it
23:59
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, there are some wards here. So
24:02
Speaker 2: my consistency has been lacking with my opinion of BYU
24:06
Speaker 2: basketball because I've been on this roller coaster of like,
24:08
Speaker 2: oh wow, look at what they're capable of. I'm gonna
24:11
Speaker 2: see them put six games in a row together like this,
24:14
Speaker 2: and they're gonna be one of the best teams in
24:15
Speaker 2: the damn country. And then instead you get them going
24:19
Speaker 2: down into the valleys of that roller coaster, going down
24:23
Speaker 2: that first hill on Colossus, and you're just like, oh no,
24:27
Speaker 2: this is bad. This is a bad performance. This is
24:30
Speaker 2: a bunch of highly paid players with no chemistry, and
24:34
Speaker 2: they've got no bench and they've got no depth what
24:36
Speaker 2: is going on here? And it's very clear even in
24:39
Speaker 2: this game, it's very clear that Kevin Young and his
24:42
Speaker 2: staff are emphasizing we need something more from our bench.
24:45
Speaker 2: Right now Richie Saunders is gone, you guys have to
24:49
Speaker 2: step it up. And it was Costage last night. They
24:53
Speaker 2: very clearly are getting that message through. But your bench
24:57
Speaker 2: players are your bench players for a reason. They are
24:59
Speaker 2: not going to be able to carry you if your
25:01
Speaker 2: starters aren't playing better than what they were. And when
25:07
Speaker 2: a team is as red hot as UCF was last night,
25:11
Speaker 2: you might lose on your home floor anyway. But being
25:14
Speaker 2: down thirty six points at the Marriott Center relative to
25:19
Speaker 2: what BYU basketball was supposed to be and still is
25:22
Speaker 2: supposed to be.
25:25
Speaker 3: WOWSA.
25:26
Speaker 2: That's a level of inconsistency that has to be addressed,
25:30
Speaker 2: and has to be addressed right now. You have a
25:35
Speaker 2: game even half that bad in the NCAA tournament, You're
25:38
Speaker 2: out in the first weekend. You have a game even
25:41
Speaker 2: half that bad in the second round of the Big
25:44
Speaker 2: twelve tournament, exit seven seed, and that's not gonna satisfy anyone.
25:52
Speaker 2: Crumble Cookie guy's gonna be picking up the phone. He's
25:54
Speaker 2: gonna be getting off the sidelines to demand a refund
25:57
Speaker 2: if that's the case.
26:00
Speaker 5: Or you know, maybe an embolden's cookie man even more
26:04
Speaker 5: to spend even more. Who knows you mentioned, you mentioned
26:11
Speaker 5: there's gotta be something. There's gotta be something wrong with
26:14
Speaker 5: the chemistry of the team too. Just as you were saying,
26:17
Speaker 5: you know, as you're going in those valleys, you start
26:19
Speaker 5: these questions start coming to your mind. Last year, we
26:24
Speaker 5: saw a still very talented but I think we can
26:28
Speaker 5: all agree less talented BYU team gel at this time
26:32
Speaker 5: of the year, to the point where they went from
26:36
Speaker 5: a team that like, Okay, they're gonna still make the tournament,
26:39
Speaker 5: they probably won't maybe they won't win a game, or
26:41
Speaker 5: maybe they'll they'll lose in the first weekend to Sweet
26:44
Speaker 5: sixteen team, one of only three in BYU history. That's
26:49
Speaker 5: making that a very significant team in BYU history. Last
26:51
Speaker 5: year right this year much more talent, and it's gone
26:55
Speaker 5: the opposite. They started the year pretty strong, with the
26:59
Speaker 5: exception of run up against even more talented teams like
27:02
Speaker 5: the game against Yukon and Boston and so on and
27:05
Speaker 5: so forth. To of course, there's been injuries to bench
27:10
Speaker 5: players and to your second or third best player in
27:13
Speaker 5: Richie Saunders, last year's best player.
27:16
Speaker 3: But it just feels like there's something.
27:20
Speaker 5: Especially compared to last year's team, there just seems to
27:22
Speaker 5: be something off beyond that you have less depth because
27:28
Speaker 5: of injuries, and you have one of your most important
27:32
Speaker 5: players out because of injuries. It just makes you wonder,
27:36
Speaker 5: are some of the new guys, whoever it might be
27:39
Speaker 5: transfers or incoming freshmen, who are supposed to be huge
27:43
Speaker 5: players on this team are they not? Are they or
27:47
Speaker 5: maybe some of the older veterans. Is something not gelling
27:50
Speaker 5: for some reason with these guys?
27:53
Speaker 3: And it is? And is that? Should that be an indictment?
27:55
Speaker 3: On Kevin Young, if that's the case and his coaching staff.
27:58
Speaker 3: I don't know.
27:58
Speaker 2: I think it's more of an indict and I know
28:01
Speaker 2: that this is an existential question in college hoops and
28:04
Speaker 2: in college football right now. I think it's more of
28:06
Speaker 2: an indictment on the talent acquisition process that a lot
28:12
Speaker 2: of teams go through and are engaging in right now,
28:16
Speaker 2: where there's a mercenary culture. It's why I was so
28:19
Speaker 2: impressed with Texas Tech football this year, because they went
28:22
Speaker 2: out and they were the ultimate soldier of fortune. Let's
28:27
Speaker 2: get all the talent we can. Let's just spend the money.
28:30
Speaker 2: And I was like, that's not gonna work. There's no
28:32
Speaker 2: team chemistry, there's no culture with that. There's gonna be
28:35
Speaker 2: guys that thought that they had done enough to elevate
28:37
Speaker 2: themselves on the roster last year. And now you're bringing
28:40
Speaker 2: in David Bailey and paying him a bunch of money,
28:42
Speaker 2: and that guy's going to be a backup and he's
28:44
Speaker 2: gonna hate it. And you know, you send so and
28:47
Speaker 2: so to Big twelve media days instead of this guy
28:49
Speaker 2: who's been with the program for three years.
28:51
Speaker 3: I was dead wrong about all that.
28:53
Speaker 2: Texas Tech was the best example, all the way up
28:56
Speaker 2: until the college football playoff of a team that bought
29:00
Speaker 2: its way into relevance, but still had culture, still had belief,
29:05
Speaker 2: still had team chemistry, and in basketball, one guy, one
29:12
Speaker 2: sour apple, one bad egg can interrupt that a lot
29:15
Speaker 2: more effectively, or more devastatingly than in college football. Texas
29:20
Speaker 2: Tech didn't have to deal with it. I'm hearing rumblings
29:22
Speaker 2: and rumors out of BYU and one of those mercenaries,
29:26
Speaker 2: one of those big money guys, is not exactly a
29:28
Speaker 2: great teammate and not exactly fitting in with the culture
29:32
Speaker 2: all that well, and it ain't aj Debontsa right, and
29:36
Speaker 2: you're just like, Okay, well, I guess it's always the
29:42
Speaker 2: head coach's fault. It's always the coach's fault, but it's
29:45
Speaker 2: not in this case. It's also the fault of the
29:49
Speaker 2: donor that needed that guy, wanted that guy, and paid
29:52
Speaker 2: for that guy. It's also the fault of the athletic
29:54
Speaker 2: department for saying we're not going to be the highest
29:57
Speaker 2: bidders while also being the highest bidders.
29:59
Speaker 3: Right.
30:00
Speaker 2: It's not a uniquely BYU thing, and it's not something
30:04
Speaker 2: you can single them out for. It's a problem with
30:07
Speaker 2: college hoops right now, with college football right now, it's
30:10
Speaker 2: less pronounced than college football because all of that effect
30:13
Speaker 2: of any good player bad player, it's always diluted.
30:17
Speaker 3: It's spread across more team in college hoops.
30:21
Speaker 2: It's not you got one of eight nine on a
30:25
Speaker 2: deep team, ten guys that might be as talented as
30:29
Speaker 2: all hell, but if he's not pulling on the same
30:31
Speaker 2: rope as anyone else, it's gonna lead to a lot
30:35
Speaker 2: more of these peaks and valleys, a lot more of
30:37
Speaker 2: these insane fluctuations of success. And that is an uncomfortable
30:42
Speaker 2: place to be when you're one of the top spenders
30:45
Speaker 2: in all of college hoops.
30:49
Speaker 3: I am not envious right now.
30:52
Speaker 2: Of where Utah basketball is at, because the hill in
30:55
Speaker 2: front of you to climb is like, if it's not Everest,
30:59
Speaker 2: it's k two is. It is steep, It is dangerous,
31:03
Speaker 2: it is precarious. It is going to be tough, tough,
31:06
Speaker 2: tough work to get up onto the same level as
31:10
Speaker 2: UCF as BYU. But I'm also not jealous of where
31:15
Speaker 2: BYU is at right now because for Utah you can
31:19
Speaker 2: kind of look at it and say, even at our
31:21
Speaker 2: on our best day, with our best.
31:22
Speaker 3: Level of consistency.
31:24
Speaker 2: We're probably not talented enough yet to get to where Houston, Kansas,
31:29
Speaker 2: Texas Tech, where these teams are. If your BYU, you
31:33
Speaker 2: look at your roster, you look at your payroll, and
31:36
Speaker 2: you say, on our best day, we should be on
31:39
Speaker 2: par with them, and on our worst day, we should
31:42
Speaker 2: still be better than Oklahoma State and then UCF and
31:47
Speaker 2: things like that, and right now we are not. And
31:49
Speaker 2: that is actually a much harder question to answer. The
31:52
Speaker 2: why of that is actually a much tougher puzzle to solve. Well,
31:57
Speaker 2: why when we have the number one player in the country,
31:59
Speaker 2: or the number two player in the country, or the
32:00
Speaker 2: number three player in the country wherever you think aj is,
32:03
Speaker 2: why are we still losing by thirty five with eight
32:07
Speaker 2: minutes to go.
32:09
Speaker 3: That shouldn't happen. We should have something better than that anyway.
32:15
Speaker 2: You know, even as we talk about the inconsistency of
32:19
Speaker 2: Utah in game and in season, we talk about the
32:23
Speaker 2: inconsistency of BYU from game to game in this season,
32:28
Speaker 2: you juxtapose that against a program that defies all expectations,
32:33
Speaker 2: all odds, all everything in college basketball, Because regardless of
32:37
Speaker 2: who's the head coach, regardless of how prominent the recruits are,
32:42
Speaker 2: or nil spending that you probably don't have any of.
32:46
Speaker 2: Somehow Utah State basketball is like death taxes and Aggie's hoops.
32:52
Speaker 2: It is wild that they have gotten to this point.
32:54
Speaker 2: And we'll talk with Sean Harrison, who's the sports editor
32:58
Speaker 2: up there at the Herald Journal in Logan and insider
33:01
Speaker 2: on Utah State men's basketball.
33:03
Speaker 3: How are they thirteen and three in conference play? How
33:05
Speaker 3: are they at the top?
33:06
Speaker 2: And it doesn't they seem to be insulated in Cash
33:10
Speaker 2: Valley from all the weird stuff. Maybe you'll have answers
33:13
Speaker 2: as to how and why.
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Speaker 2: remiss in not checking in with the Aggies more frequently
34:00
Speaker 2: as of late. Sean Harrison, the sports editor up there
34:03
Speaker 2: at the Herald Journal in Logan, is kind enough to
34:06
Speaker 2: stop by as we do just that, checking in on
34:09
Speaker 2: Utah State men's basketball, who is thirteen and three in
34:13
Speaker 2: conference play atop the Mountain West standings. Right now, they
34:17
Speaker 2: are twelve and one at home, still one of the
34:19
Speaker 2: best atmospheres in all of college basketball, and Sean has
34:25
Speaker 2: been on top of all of it.
34:26
Speaker 3: Shawn, welcome to the show.
34:28
Speaker 4: Thanks. I appreciate you having me on. Hopefully you bear
34:30
Speaker 4: with me a little bit. I've had a little bit
34:31
Speaker 4: of a cold, so I might lose my voice, but
34:34
Speaker 4: I appreciate being on.
34:35
Speaker 3: Well.
34:35
Speaker 2: I will do our best to get through it together.
34:39
Speaker 2: Appreciate you giving us some time. I marvel at this
34:43
Speaker 2: every year when we get to about late January February,
34:46
Speaker 2: and you know, you get over the football thing and
34:48
Speaker 2: you start paying more attention to college hoops, and by
34:51
Speaker 2: then the Aggies are already whatever sixteen seventeen, twenty games
34:55
Speaker 2: in twenty seven in this case, and I'm like.
34:58
Speaker 3: Wait here they are again.
35:00
Speaker 2: Utah State men's basketball a top their conference in the
35:04
Speaker 2: conversation for the tournament nationally, they're gonna make some noise again.
35:09
Speaker 2: And I every year I marvel at it and say, well,
35:12
Speaker 2: how why in a resource battle that should exclude a
35:18
Speaker 2: little engine that could from logan Utah a program that
35:22
Speaker 2: has had plenty of turnover from a player standpoint, from
35:25
Speaker 2: a coaching standpoint, they are still somehow a constant.
35:30
Speaker 4: Sean Howe, Well, one of the things that I mean,
35:34
Speaker 4: it really doesn't have nothing to do with I guess
35:35
Speaker 4: what happens actually on the court is the fans support.
35:39
Speaker 4: They've been able to, you know, get some good athletes
35:41
Speaker 4: that come in, some decent athletes because of the record
35:45
Speaker 4: numbers of fans that show up regularly and share on
35:49
Speaker 4: the team, be able to get some good coaching hires.
35:53
Speaker 4: And the interesting thing is they've had some turnover at
35:55
Speaker 4: the athletic director position as well, so it hasn't been
35:58
Speaker 4: just one athletic director hiring. Uh, you know, hitting some
36:01
Speaker 4: home runs with some coaches. But they have had some
36:03
Speaker 4: good coaches. They've made some really good choices there. I
36:07
Speaker 4: haven't been able to hold on to them very long,
36:08
Speaker 4: but I have been able to get some good coaches.
36:11
Speaker 4: Right now, this this particular team kind of has a mix.
36:15
Speaker 4: You actually have five guys that did stick around from
36:18
Speaker 4: from a year ago and actually a couple of those
36:20
Speaker 4: guys have been here for now three years, which is
36:23
Speaker 4: almost unheard of. But yeah, and then you've got a
36:26
Speaker 4: mix of some really good freshmen and five transfers. So
36:30
Speaker 4: you got five transfers, five freshmen, and five somewhat veterans
36:34
Speaker 4: that are their make up this team this year. And
36:36
Speaker 4: then a coach, coach Jared Calhoun, who who knows that
36:40
Speaker 4: they're gonna be able to hold on to him much
36:42
Speaker 4: longer his second season here at Utah State. But you know, fans,
36:46
Speaker 4: they have they have had you know, seven eight sellouts
36:50
Speaker 4: now this year at the Spectrum at the deep Glenn
36:52
Speaker 4: Smith Spectrum where they play their games, and they normally
36:56
Speaker 4: almost fill that thing up on a regular basis, but
36:58
Speaker 4: this year, for whatever reason, there's been a lot more
37:01
Speaker 4: excitement and they've they've they've broke the record for the
37:05
Speaker 4: most sellouts for a season this year with eight and
37:08
Speaker 4: they still have two more games to go. So it's
37:10
Speaker 4: it's I think it's a lot of it's the atmosphere.
37:12
Speaker 4: Maybe you can say there's not a lot to do
37:14
Speaker 4: in Logan. You know, I can kind of argue with
37:16
Speaker 4: you on that. Sometimes I think you like the outdoors.
37:19
Speaker 4: There's lots to do here in Logan. But definitely in
37:21
Speaker 4: the winter time, basketball is king and people are coming out,
37:26
Speaker 4: people are supporting the team, and it it kind of
37:29
Speaker 4: carries over. I mean, you talk to any of these athletes,
37:31
Speaker 4: especially these guys, these transfer guys that came in, and
37:34
Speaker 4: every one of them just lists very number one, the fans.
37:37
Speaker 4: The passion of the people in the community for basketball
37:40
Speaker 4: is why they chose to come play at Utah State.
37:42
Speaker 4: So I think that's really helped.
37:45
Speaker 2: You mentioned the guys that have stuck around even for
37:47
Speaker 2: like you said, the rare unicorn duration in college hoops
37:51
Speaker 2: now of three years, and maybe you'll get four out
37:54
Speaker 2: of Mason false Lever whoever.
37:56
Speaker 4: Maybe.
37:57
Speaker 3: But you know, like we.
37:59
Speaker 2: Were just I just spend a bunch of time ranting
38:02
Speaker 2: about how this BYU team is so incredibly talented this year,
38:05
Speaker 2: but maybe lacks a little bit of chemistry. The same
38:08
Speaker 2: thing with Utah basketball. They're not hyper talented and they
38:12
Speaker 2: don't seem to have a ton of chemistry in certain
38:14
Speaker 2: moments either. So how much do you think that the
38:17
Speaker 2: cohesiveness in the chemistry of the Saggie team has allowed
38:21
Speaker 2: them to build the success.
38:24
Speaker 4: I think that's a big, really big thing. You know,
38:26
Speaker 4: you go back a few years. You had Sam Merrill,
38:29
Speaker 4: even Nimia cad I spent three years here before you know,
38:32
Speaker 4: he's now starting for the Celtics. You've got some players
38:36
Speaker 4: that have kind of built a little bit of a foundation.
38:38
Speaker 4: They've always had players before this whole nil and transfer stuff,
38:42
Speaker 4: you know, that's stuck around. You did lose some players
38:44
Speaker 4: here and there, but but you've got a core and
38:47
Speaker 4: you got your Mason Fallslove at the other another guy,
38:50
Speaker 4: Carson Templan, spent here for three years. I think those
38:52
Speaker 4: guys really set a tone for the for the rest
38:55
Speaker 4: of them. They kind of just their work ethic has
38:59
Speaker 4: been really good. These new guys come in and find
39:01
Speaker 4: out what it's like and then just and just love
39:05
Speaker 4: how much they're loved by the fans in the community.
39:08
Speaker 4: But I think those guys definitely set a tone for
39:11
Speaker 4: the rest of them, and I think that definitely carries over.
39:15
Speaker 4: You know, in crunch time they left to Mason false
39:18
Speaker 4: Love I mean, he's he's the guy that just makes
39:20
Speaker 4: a lot of plays. I mean, they've got a couple
39:22
Speaker 4: of new guys this year that have made big plays
39:23
Speaker 4: and done some big things for the Aggies, but really,
39:26
Speaker 4: when it comes down to it, Mason false Love and
39:28
Speaker 4: Carson Temple are really the heart and soul of this
39:31
Speaker 4: team this year.
39:33
Speaker 2: I actually put a question out yesterday about who right
39:36
Speaker 2: now is the biggest star athlete in the state of Utah,
39:39
Speaker 2: because the Jazz are a little bit down and the
39:41
Speaker 2: Mammoth are on the rise but maybe not fully mainstream
39:44
Speaker 2: for every sports fan yet. And aj debantsa is the
39:48
Speaker 2: number one player in the country. Maybe, but you know
39:50
Speaker 2: he's going to be here for about five minutes, and
39:53
Speaker 2: a couple of Aggie fans came in. They said, no,
39:55
Speaker 2: the most electric player, the guy, the big star right
39:58
Speaker 2: now is Carson Temple. So I think that's I think
40:02
Speaker 2: that's a testament of like just the uh, the fan
40:05
Speaker 2: favorite that he is with some of his his hard
40:08
Speaker 2: nose play in his hustle.
40:10
Speaker 4: Oh definitely, you know, you know, Mason makes a lot
40:13
Speaker 4: of plays, but Carson. But Mason's not one that really
40:16
Speaker 4: seeks the spotlight and I'm not saying that Carson Templon
40:19
Speaker 4: seeks the spotlight, but he definitely enjoys the spotlight. You know,
40:23
Speaker 4: he's an undersized guy. They list him at six eight.
40:25
Speaker 4: He's probably six seven. And that's one thing you probably
40:29
Speaker 4: is really lacking, is really a true big man. But
40:32
Speaker 4: he gets in there and battles, and I think and
40:34
Speaker 4: the fans love him. And he's been here for a
40:36
Speaker 4: while now, he's he's got kind of a cult following.
40:39
Speaker 4: They sing a little song and you know, sing along
40:42
Speaker 4: his name, and whenever he does anything, it seems like anymore.
40:46
Speaker 4: And they've got new DJ this year that's doing stuff
40:49
Speaker 4: for the home games, and he's actually come up with
40:51
Speaker 4: a little thing that whenever he does something big, and
40:54
Speaker 4: uh yeah, he is definitely up late for sure, really
40:58
Speaker 4: been playing well. You know, he's had eighteen couple of
41:01
Speaker 4: eighteen point games. He said his career higher the other
41:04
Speaker 4: night with twenty points. And you know, normally a better
41:08
Speaker 4: normally gets more rebounds than what he's been getting. But
41:10
Speaker 4: he just gets in there, mixes things up, leads the
41:12
Speaker 4: team and block shots and and uh yeah, he's just
41:15
Speaker 4: a hustle guy, gets on the floor and gets dirty
41:18
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, definitely definitely a fan favorite. I don't
41:22
Speaker 4: know if I would say he is the best guy
41:24
Speaker 4: on this team or anything in the state, but he
41:27
Speaker 4: definitely has a following and and has loved up here.
41:30
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a it's a star power conversation more
41:32
Speaker 2: than it's are you the best conversation, because you gotta
41:35
Speaker 2: you know, people see, people seem to like what he offers,
41:38
Speaker 2: both on and off the court. Bracketology has this team
41:41
Speaker 2: as as like a seventh seed right now?
41:43
Speaker 3: Right is that?
41:44
Speaker 4: Yeah?
41:46
Speaker 3: Is that where they belong?
41:48
Speaker 6: Uh?
41:49
Speaker 4: You know, right now? You know, they're obviously coming off
41:51
Speaker 4: of actually coming off a loss. They lost it Nevada
41:54
Speaker 4: not an easy place to play, and maybe the team
41:57
Speaker 4: they should have, you know it beat at home earlier
41:59
Speaker 4: pretty by nine or eight or nine points. Anyway, they
42:03
Speaker 4: I think right now, especially with how they're playing, Uh yeah,
42:06
Speaker 4: I would take a seventh seed. I don't think, you know,
42:10
Speaker 4: I don't think they can get much higher than that.
42:11
Speaker 4: Maybe six if you're really dreaming, but you know, I
42:15
Speaker 4: would they would prefer a seven seed. I think stay
42:18
Speaker 4: away from that eight to nine where you do have
42:20
Speaker 4: a chance, but then if you do win, then you've
42:22
Speaker 4: got to play a one seed, you know, so I
42:26
Speaker 4: think a seventh seed would be you know, I think
42:28
Speaker 4: they'd be very excited about that at this point right now.
42:32
Speaker 2: What's the biggest weakness for this team. We've we've spent
42:35
Speaker 2: enough time, you know, talking about all the positives.
42:38
Speaker 5: What's there. What's their biggest weakness? What's the question mark?
42:41
Speaker 4: I think it is the big that that that five spot,
42:44
Speaker 4: the big man. It's it's kind of my committee right now.
42:47
Speaker 4: Zach Keller, who spent some time at Utah then I
42:50
Speaker 4: don't think really played very much. He's actually been getting
42:53
Speaker 4: a lot more playing time of late. He's been at
42:55
Speaker 4: the starter for about half the games now. He gives
42:58
Speaker 4: them some size, but he's kind of been in foul
43:00
Speaker 4: trouble at points. Doesn't have I don't know, he's got
43:04
Speaker 4: some breathing issues. He doesn't can't really go for long stretches,
43:08
Speaker 4: but he's been you know, he's had some pretty good
43:10
Speaker 4: stretches lately. Uh, but it's been kind of by committee him.
43:13
Speaker 4: Carson Templon kind of fills in there. Carson Templan is
43:16
Speaker 4: more of a four guy, but has to fill in
43:18
Speaker 4: at the five and then another JC junior college guys
43:21
Speaker 4: Gary Clark that really started the season off really hot.
43:24
Speaker 4: He's kind of undersized as well at six'. Eight but
43:29
Speaker 4: those that that's spot that number, five who's going to
43:32
Speaker 4: be the big, man and you, know and they've even
43:34
Speaker 4: had to go small when they've gotten into foul. Trouble,
43:36
Speaker 4: uh because because all three of those guys are prone
43:39
Speaker 4: to get into foul trouble at. Times carson's been a
43:42
Speaker 4: lot better, lately but all three of those guys have
43:45
Speaker 4: had their moments where they've been in foul trouble and
43:46
Speaker 4: then they've had to go. Small and, Uh they've got another,
43:49
Speaker 4: Freshman Adlin, elemin more of a wing and the last
43:53
Speaker 4: where he likes to. Play he's six. Nine he's actually
43:55
Speaker 4: one of the taller. Guys just doesn't have no meat
43:57
Speaker 4: on his. Bones the need they need to pump him
43:59
Speaker 4: up a little build him up a little, bit but
44:01
Speaker 4: he he he's more a finanse to drive to the,
44:05
Speaker 4: basket shoot threes kind of. Guy he's not going to
44:07
Speaker 4: get in there and bang on the. Inside so let's
44:09
Speaker 4: just facing some of these. TEAMS i, mean you got
44:11
Speaker 4: when you're placing The San Diego states or almost anybody
44:14
Speaker 4: in The mount And west these days has a big,
44:16
Speaker 4: guy a really true big, guy And Utah state just
44:19
Speaker 4: doesn't have that big. Guy AND i think that and
44:22
Speaker 4: that's definitely gonna hurt him once once they get to
44:24
Speaker 4: THE ncaa tournament as.
44:25
Speaker 2: WELL i saw this is, uh this is more of
44:29
Speaker 2: An aggie's all sports thing than it is purely. Basketball
44:33
Speaker 2: but there were there were a Few aggis that were
44:35
Speaker 2: having fun with the idea that you, Know utah fans
44:38
Speaker 2: were so up in arms and so hurt when their
44:41
Speaker 2: coach left for another school and when some players followed
44:44
Speaker 2: him in the transfer, portal because that's something that has
44:47
Speaker 2: happened At Utah state with more, frequency or relatively more
44:51
Speaker 2: frequency for obvious reasons. There and yet in basketball they've
44:55
Speaker 2: been able to kind of handle. It in, FOOTBALL i
44:57
Speaker 2: think that they're headed the right direction With, bronco but
45:01
Speaker 2: we'll see THE i guess the place that The aggies
45:05
Speaker 2: and teams on that level occupy in the college sports
45:08
Speaker 2: world right, now how sustainable is?
45:11
Speaker 3: It in your?
45:12
Speaker 2: Mind can expectations of a fan base and of a
45:16
Speaker 2: community and of a university be brought to a level
45:19
Speaker 2: that is more appropriate and allows people to be satisfied
45:24
Speaker 2: with whatever you can bring back every, year because your
45:27
Speaker 2: best players are at least going to be getting phone.
45:29
Speaker 2: Calls it's happening At, Utah it's happening at B. Yu
45:32
Speaker 2: it's certainly going to happen At Utah.
45:34
Speaker 4: State oh, yeah for. Sure you, know it's. Tough the
45:37
Speaker 4: landscape has definitely, changed you, know every you, know to
45:41
Speaker 4: Which calhoun has even talked about last, year there's this
45:43
Speaker 4: season wasn't even really over and they're already he already
45:46
Speaker 4: had players that were being reached out to by agents
45:49
Speaker 4: or whatever's going on out. There AND i think that's
45:52
Speaker 4: already going on this. Year i've heard grumbling's already some
45:54
Speaker 4: of the couple of these freshmen that This ablanela means
45:57
Speaker 4: that he's been, starting and then they Have elijah par
46:00
Speaker 4: that's been coming off the bench and playing really well
46:02
Speaker 4: at a point. Guard to both true. FRESHMEN i, mean
46:05
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to come up with some money to
46:06
Speaker 4: pay those guys because to keep, them and that's just
46:09
Speaker 4: that's just become a. Reality you, know it's. TOUGH i
46:12
Speaker 4: Think aggie fans have kind of gotten used to it
46:14
Speaker 4: a little bit maybe. NOW i know they were pretty
46:17
Speaker 4: bitter AND i, know like they didn't have a lot
46:18
Speaker 4: of fun with The utah uh with the football, situation
46:22
Speaker 4: because that's just a day in the life here At Utah.
46:24
Speaker 4: State the last and ever since this has been going,
46:27
Speaker 4: on it's, like you, lose you lose a, coach you,
46:29
Speaker 4: know dang, well some of the players are going to
46:31
Speaker 4: be going to and uh and and even if you
46:34
Speaker 4: do keep a, coach you, know we they kept Kept
46:36
Speaker 4: calhoun last. Year you, know they've even, had you, know
46:38
Speaker 4: a basketball. Coach it's spent one year, Here Danny sprinkle
46:41
Speaker 4: who's At washington, now one year and he and he
46:43
Speaker 4: left and took the star player with.
46:45
Speaker 1: Him you.
46:45
Speaker 4: KNOW i, mean it's, it's, it's, it's it's it's it's
46:48
Speaker 4: it's it's tough to get used. TO i don't know
46:50
Speaker 4: how well you can sustain, that you, know Just cardy
46:54
Speaker 4: b competitive in the. League you look around The Mountain,
46:56
Speaker 4: west WHICH i know is now splitting into the pack
46:58
Speaker 4: whatever you. WANT i, mean they're calling themselves A pac.
47:00
Speaker 4: Twelve there's NOT i don't. KNOW i have an issue
47:03
Speaker 4: with that as. Well that's the whole that's a story
47:04
Speaker 4: for another. Day BUT i really think The. Pact the
47:07
Speaker 4: people going to THE pac twelve in The Mountain west
47:08
Speaker 4: should have try to figure out something to stick together
47:11
Speaker 4: to help each other out instead of dividing everything. Up
47:14
Speaker 4: but not to get off on that, tangent but you,
47:16
Speaker 4: know The Mountain, west they've they've just gotten used to.
47:19
Speaker 4: IT i, mean you look around the Whole Mountain west
47:21
Speaker 4: this year for, basketball and it's it's, yeah there's a
47:23
Speaker 4: few guys, back but for the most, part it's just
47:25
Speaker 4: a it's just a re you, know re overhaul the whole,
47:29
Speaker 4: thing you, know every every. Year and they even and
47:31
Speaker 4: even last, year LIKE i, Said calhoun stayed here and
47:34
Speaker 4: they lost their their point. Guard he went To New.
47:36
Speaker 4: Mexico they just couldn't pay him what The mexico offered
47:39
Speaker 4: to pay him whatever whatever it ended up. Being and
47:42
Speaker 4: so even those guys within the, league WHICH i just
47:45
Speaker 4: head scratching to me at, times and there's a lot
47:47
Speaker 4: of a lot of movement that way within the. League
47:49
Speaker 4: like some of the best players you know in A
47:52
Speaker 4: fresno state or A San jose, state those poor schools
47:55
Speaker 4: can can't keep their guys at. All they're going with you,
47:58
Speaker 4: know they're playing For nevada they're playing For New. Mexico
48:01
Speaker 4: they're moving even within the within the, league and they're
48:04
Speaker 4: losing their best players every. YEAR i, mean if if
48:07
Speaker 4: you're an underclassman and you're the player of the, year
48:10
Speaker 4: the defense of, whatever they're losing them other two bigger,
48:12
Speaker 4: schools AND i don't, KNOW i don't know. WHAT i
48:15
Speaker 4: don't know what the end result. IS i think you
48:17
Speaker 4: can stay competitive in your own, league but to compete
48:19
Speaker 4: with the big, BOYS i just think the GAP's getting
48:22
Speaker 4: wider and.
48:22
Speaker 2: Wider would we Be would it be good For Utah,
48:28
Speaker 2: state for all sports fans to create a true Separation in?
48:33
Speaker 2: BASKETBALL i, think you, know the tournament has to stay
48:36
Speaker 2: what it. Is but in, football especially if we had you,
48:40
Speaker 2: know the, whatever top sixty, teams fifty, teams forty eight,
48:43
Speaker 2: teams whatever it, is if they peel off and they
48:46
Speaker 2: do their own, thing would the rest of the country
48:49
Speaker 2: be better served under a different rule, set, maybe you,
48:52
Speaker 2: know not the same level of, pay et, cetera et,
48:55
Speaker 2: cetera all that stuff Expected if we separated it and
48:59
Speaker 2: had a championship for that lower, division would it Be
49:02
Speaker 2: would it serve the fans and the?
49:03
Speaker 3: Athletes?
49:04
Speaker 4: YEAH i think that would be more exciting really for the.
49:07
Speaker 4: FANS i mean IT'S I i have a hard, time you,
49:09
Speaker 4: KNOW i try to put myself in fans shoes, sometimes
49:13
Speaker 4: how WOULD i how you, know how do you even
49:15
Speaker 4: build a relationship with with athletes when there's just it's
49:18
Speaker 4: a constant revolving. Door and so, YEAH i think ultimately
49:23
Speaker 4: that's probably the best option really is to have have another,
49:26
Speaker 4: division have a place where you're be competitive and you
49:29
Speaker 4: have a chance to play for a. Title you, know
49:31
Speaker 4: basketball are still that dream of you, know you, Know
49:34
Speaker 4: San Diego state a few years ago made that, run
49:36
Speaker 4: and there's there's been some runs made by some by some.
49:39
Speaker 4: TEAMS i don't know IF i think you're going to
49:41
Speaker 4: see less and less of, that especially now you're seeing
49:44
Speaker 4: guys that are pros And europe or in THE G
49:47
Speaker 4: league or whatever making it into. COLLEGE i don't know
49:50
Speaker 4: what's going to happen to the college. GAME i REALLY
49:52
Speaker 4: i love march. MADNESS i love, that you, know the
49:56
Speaker 4: rooting for the. Underdogs SO i really hope that doesn't
49:58
Speaker 4: get complete destroyed by what's going. On but as far as, football,
50:03
Speaker 4: YEAH i think you're gonna have to create another division
50:06
Speaker 4: to really make it.
50:06
Speaker 2: Competitive, Well, sean enjoy the rest of the way for
50:12
Speaker 2: This Utah state basketball, season and we'll check it again
50:15
Speaker 2: after some.
50:15
Speaker 4: Springball all, right all, right sounds good, anytime, Guys thanks
50:19
Speaker 4: for having.
50:19
Speaker 5: Me On Sean, harrison sports editor up there at The
50:22
Speaker 5: Harald journal In, Logan Utah state men's basketball on top
50:26
Speaker 5: of The Mountain West conference and AS i already, said
50:29
Speaker 5: projected to be right now as of, now a seven
50:31
Speaker 5: seed in the UPCOMING ncaa.
50:33
Speaker 3: Tournament All, right we're gonna take a quick one here
50:36
Speaker 3: the hot.
50:37
Speaker 2: Lunch i'm gonna make another case for something we talked about.
50:40
Speaker 2: Yesterday All, right there was a lot of pooh poohing
50:43
Speaker 2: of the dirty. Sodas there was a lot of negative.
50:46
Speaker 2: Reaction i'll give you the results of the poll THAT
50:49
Speaker 2: i began and THAT i started on yesterday's.
50:52
Speaker 3: Show but i'll tell you.
50:54
Speaker 5: Why this is just a minor league baseball thing that
50:57
Speaker 5: you all need to wrap your arms.
50:58
Speaker 3: Around So sean will come show ON espn seven NINETY.
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51:29
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51:30
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51:34
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51:40
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51:41
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51:44
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51:50
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51:53
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51:58
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52:16
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52:18
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52:20
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52:23
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52:27
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52:28
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52:31
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52:35
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52:40
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52:44
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52:47
Speaker 5: good this, week and try the fries or anyone who
52:51
Speaker 5: decides you'll you'll thank us. Later SO i did A
52:54
Speaker 5: twitter poll yesterday about the dirty, sodas the alternate. Branding
52:59
Speaker 5: wednesday nights At Bees ballpark are gonna be Dirty soda.
53:02
Speaker 5: Nights they're gonna have the alternate, uniform the alternate, mascot
53:05
Speaker 5: the alternate color, ways everything. RIGHT i, said are you
53:08
Speaker 5: in or out on Dirty soda alternate?
53:10
Speaker 2: Branding sixty? Six it's a one third to two. Thirds
53:14
Speaker 2: one third of people who responded are, in two thirds are?
53:18
Speaker 5: Out all, Right AND i saw some more specific tweets
53:22
Speaker 5: responding to the actual announcement of people being, like oh my,
53:26
Speaker 5: gosh maybe we don't deserve a major league baseball. Team
53:29
Speaker 5: maybe we're, guys this is something that they do in
53:33
Speaker 5: minor league.
53:33
Speaker 2: Baseball you realize, that, right whether it's A sunday, game
53:38
Speaker 2: A friday, Game wednesday, night. Games in the case of The,
53:41
Speaker 2: Bees minor league baseball has a long standing tradition of
53:48
Speaker 2: embracing something that is hyper, local has a cult, following
53:54
Speaker 2: is very heavily, regionalized and in a lot of, cases
53:59
Speaker 2: is a food.
54:00
Speaker 5: Thing The Jersey shore Pork. Rollers ever heard of, Them, James,
54:08
Speaker 5: yeah what a great what a great alternate.
54:10
Speaker 2: Identity, now the actual name of the team is The
54:14
Speaker 2: Jersey Shore Blue, claws but they do the Pork, rollers
54:20
Speaker 2: and a pork roll is. Disgusting it's not even as
54:22
Speaker 2: good as a dirty, soda all. Right The Lake County
54:28
Speaker 2: Fish Fries friday night games In April.
54:35
Speaker 3: Friday night games are The.
54:36
Speaker 2: Lake County Fish fries because it's a nod to the
54:40
Speaker 2: Heavily catholic community. There you have a fish fry On
54:45
Speaker 2: fridays Because fridays During, lent you don't eat, meat you eat. Fish,
54:49
Speaker 2: right that's The Lake County. Captains that's their alternate. Branding
54:56
Speaker 2: utah dirty sodas fits right in with the Pork, rollers
54:59
Speaker 2: the Fish, fries The akron cream stick.
55:02
Speaker 3: Donuts do you think people An?
55:04
Speaker 2: AKRON i guess it's The you think they're really excited about.
55:10
Speaker 5: A team named permanently being the Cream Stick. Donuts no they're,
55:14
Speaker 5: not but the alternate branding is.
55:16
Speaker 2: Fantastic redding The Redding fight And Phills Philadelphia DOUBLE A,
55:20
Speaker 2: team The Redding Iced. Coffees it's actually very close to
55:25
Speaker 2: what the dirty sodas look.
55:26
Speaker 3: Like from a branding.
55:27
Speaker 5: Standpoint it's just, like obviously the brown coffee color instead
55:32
Speaker 5: of the colorful soda. Color, akron The akron Rubber. Ducks
55:39
Speaker 5: That's Cleveland's DOUBLE a. Team they've done this with several
55:43
Speaker 5: different foods this. Year it's The akron cheat chip.
55:46
Speaker 2: Dippers, okay it's an anthropomorphic dip container dipping a chip
55:52
Speaker 2: into its own head as the logo all, right because
55:57
Speaker 2: Apparently french onion dip is a big thing In Northeast.
56:00
Speaker 2: Ohio they've also been the sauerkraut balls in the, past
56:04
Speaker 2: the cheese, SALADS i don't even know what that, is
56:07
Speaker 2: and the JoJo's, AGAIN i don't know what a jojo.
56:10
Speaker 5: Is from a food. Stamp sheese, salads not A minnesota
56:15
Speaker 5: that's like a Very wisconsin. Thing, okay you're making a, salad,
56:21
Speaker 5: yeah it's totally made of. Cheese did you see What
56:25
Speaker 5: Palm beach is doing for their alternate branding this, YEAR
56:27
Speaker 5: i did.
56:28
Speaker 3: Not, okay The Palm Beach cardinals SINGLE a For Saint.
56:31
Speaker 3: Louis they're. React this is very in the.
56:35
Speaker 2: Moment their alternate branding this year is going to be
56:38
Speaker 2: The Palm Beach Frozen, iguanas because there was that weird
56:41
Speaker 2: cold snap In florida this year all, right where all.
56:46
Speaker 3: The iguanas in town.
56:48
Speaker 5: Froze and they're an invasive, species so people were just
56:50
Speaker 5: going around gathering up the frozen iguanas and turning them
56:54
Speaker 5: in as like a.
56:55
Speaker 3: Bounty that's. IT i did Not.
56:58
Speaker 5: Florida, man what a, story that, is? RIGHT i thought
57:01
Speaker 5: that was a nod to the Weird australian DAYTIME tv
57:07
Speaker 5: show incident with the the drunk woman on the show
57:11
Speaker 5: talking about iguanas. Randomly did you miss? THAT i missed
57:15
Speaker 5: that true. Story The athletic even wrote about.
57:19
Speaker 2: It The montgomery, biscuits The Jacksonville jumbo, shrimp The Lehigh valley,
57:26
Speaker 2: bacon The savannah, bananas for hell's, Sake.
57:30
Speaker 5: So CAN i CAN i tell you what is different
57:34
Speaker 5: and kind of off putting about the dirty? Sodas then
57:37
Speaker 5: the then makes those things not as off. Putting, okay they.
57:42
Speaker 5: Clear SO lhm group Owns. Swig, okay so they clearly,
57:47
Speaker 5: said let's make something that promote what instead of just
57:53
Speaker 5: doing a weird alternate identity just to have a weird
57:56
Speaker 5: alternate identity like these other ones are that that fits
57:59
Speaker 5: with the local. Culture let's also find a way to
58:03
Speaker 5: boost our. Sales, Okay so you're mad at a business
58:05
Speaker 5: for having a good business.
58:07
Speaker 3: PLAN i just think it's. TACKY i think it's. Tacky
58:11
Speaker 3: and if.
58:12
Speaker 2: This were The Salt Lake Funeral, potatoes you'd get on
58:16
Speaker 2: board with.
58:17
Speaker 3: It, yeah for like A friday night, game as long
58:20
Speaker 3: as they're as long as it's not brought to you
58:22
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Speaker 2: utah fry sauce brought to you By Arctic, circle Because
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Speaker 3: Things that's what business.
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Speaker 2: Is but if it was The utah fry sauce brought
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Speaker 2: to you by The LARRY. H Miller, Corporation i'd be,
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Speaker 2: Anyway it's a tradition. People every team does, it, well
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1:02:20
Speaker 2: to make money doing your. Business, okay he's gonna get
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Speaker 2: mad at you for trying to sell things at your.
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Speaker 2: Business Devin, JACKSON nfl draft analysts for The Philadelphia, inquirer
1:02:29
Speaker 2: is going to join us. Next spencerfano as high as
1:02:33
Speaker 2: number three in some mock. Drafts we saw him at
1:02:35
Speaker 2: five With Mel. Kuiper but where Will Caleb lomu? Go
1:02:39
Speaker 2: Maybe Devin jackson has some ideas on. That it's The
1:02:41
Speaker 2: sean O'Connell SHOW espn seven hundred and ninety two ONE.
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Speaker 1: Fm it's Not sean O'Connell's. Show you were home of
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Speaker 2: Am our next guest is the sports editor AND nfl
1:03:06
Speaker 2: draft insider at The Philadelphia. INQUIRER i guess it's been
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1:03:12
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1:03:15
Speaker 2: Show devin welcome.
1:03:16
Speaker 3: Again how are you.
1:03:18
Speaker 6: Join Gret shawn here at THE nfl Combine. Indieapolis just
1:03:22
Speaker 6: finished up talking with some prospects the defensive line and
1:03:25
Speaker 6: linebackers before they test tomorrow. Night but, Yeah i'm happy
1:03:30
Speaker 6: to be. Back and, then, yeah last time we talked
1:03:32
Speaker 6: it WAS i believe the eve of THE Nfl draft
1:03:35
Speaker 6: there On Green.
1:03:36
Speaker 2: Bay what is the scuttle butt around that particular group of.
1:03:40
Speaker 2: Players it's linebackers AND d linemen who get to run
1:03:43
Speaker 2: the drills, first so we'll start to get some of
1:03:45
Speaker 2: the numbers on their performances and it we know that
1:03:49
Speaker 2: this year is considered kind of a SHALLOW qb, class
1:03:52
Speaker 2: so that hasn't dominated the. Conversation but our linebacker AND
1:03:57
Speaker 2: d line considered to be deep in this year's, Draft,
1:04:00
Speaker 2: yeah very.
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Speaker 6: Deep he look at linebacker to start at R V
1:04:04
Speaker 6: rease And Sunny, stouths both linebackers From Ohio, state and
1:04:07
Speaker 6: with R v recent, particular is he going to play edge?
1:04:10
Speaker 6: Rusher is he going to play? Linebacker has been a
1:04:12
Speaker 6: live discussion and a lot of projection in either. Spot,
1:04:16
Speaker 6: obviously he played more of a traditional linebacker role with
1:04:20
Speaker 6: some pass rushing duties and that was a big topic
1:04:23
Speaker 6: that people ask. Him you, know does he see himself
1:04:27
Speaker 6: more as an edge? Rusher does he see himself more
1:04:29
Speaker 6: as a. Linebacker so that was kind of the big
1:04:31
Speaker 6: discussion here early in the. Morning Sunny styles really talented
1:04:35
Speaker 6: linebacker For Ohio state as, well more of the traditional linebacker.
1:04:39
Speaker 6: Role former citafety converted to. Linebackers so, yeah the group
1:04:43
Speaker 6: is very deep that linebacker this, year and those guys
1:04:46
Speaker 6: leak at the.
1:04:47
Speaker 4: LIST C. J allen From.
1:04:48
Speaker 6: Georgia's right behind them as guys that are at the
1:04:51
Speaker 6: top of his class and some interesting guys On day
1:04:54
Speaker 6: two And day three as. Well and then you look
1:04:55
Speaker 6: at defensive, line both the edge rusher interior different to
1:04:58
Speaker 6: line class was you know, heavily you, know kind of
1:05:03
Speaker 6: the group that both groups that are really strong and talent,
1:05:07
Speaker 6: wise and you, KNOW i think obviously edge. Rusher you
1:05:11
Speaker 6: look At David bailey From Texas tech is one of
1:05:14
Speaker 6: the top guys in this class who've been baying From
1:05:16
Speaker 6: miami and all the other guys as. Well you look
1:05:19
Speaker 6: at interior defensive Line Lee hunter From Texas tech was
1:05:23
Speaker 6: a guy that a lot of people wanted to hear
1:05:24
Speaker 6: from and talk. To Peter wood's probably the biggest enigma
1:05:28
Speaker 6: of the, group a guy that really dominant twenty twenty,
1:05:31
Speaker 6: four not so much in twenty twenty five At, clemson
1:05:33
Speaker 6: but as a guy that a lot of teams are
1:05:35
Speaker 6: really interested. In, so, yeah that's a great you, know
1:05:38
Speaker 6: position groups to start off. With you, know three of
1:05:41
Speaker 6: the position groups ede, rusher, interior defensive, line and linebacker
1:05:45
Speaker 6: being some of the strongest in the.
1:05:46
Speaker 2: Class i'm glad you brought up the al THE Rvl reese,
1:05:49
Speaker 2: thing because he seems like he wants to be campaigning
1:05:51
Speaker 2: with teams, like, hey consider be more of an outside.
1:05:56
Speaker 3: Linebacker of an edge.
1:05:57
Speaker 2: Rusher and from a draft, standpoint, right we know this
1:06:01
Speaker 2: where you get, picked determines your, salary determines your signing
1:06:05
Speaker 2: bonus and all that. Stuff it's uniform now through the
1:06:07
Speaker 2: collective borrowing. Agreement but if he's seen as an edge
1:06:11
Speaker 2: rusher or a pass rusher or an outside linebacker versus
1:06:16
Speaker 2: an off ball inside, backer that makes a big difference
1:06:20
Speaker 2: on like your pay outlook over the course of your.
1:06:23
Speaker 2: Career do you think that is a big influence as
1:06:26
Speaker 2: to why he wants he and his camp want this
1:06:28
Speaker 2: to be the way THE nfl approaches.
1:06:30
Speaker 6: Him, yeah, Absolutely and you've got to look at the
1:06:34
Speaker 6: positional value in that, Aspect like IF. R. L reis
1:06:38
Speaker 6: is just a stack, linebacker he's not in a discussion
1:06:41
Speaker 6: and go top three or even go top. Two but
1:06:44
Speaker 6: the fact that he has some edge rushing, ability you,
1:06:47
Speaker 6: know potentially projecting him to that, SPOT i think has
1:06:51
Speaker 6: made the conversation around him even the more. Interesting you,
1:06:54
Speaker 6: know he's a guy that coming into the year not
1:06:56
Speaker 6: a lot of people knew about and knew about his
1:06:58
Speaker 6: skill set and the fact that he's will do so
1:07:00
Speaker 6: many things well For Ohio, state you, know being in the,
1:07:03
Speaker 6: box being a guy coming off the, edge being kind
1:07:05
Speaker 6: of A qb containing. GUY i think it's only made
1:07:08
Speaker 6: the interest around him. Grow and it's a big part
1:07:11
Speaker 6: of the reason that teams want to take him so
1:07:13
Speaker 6: high is because he can do at do a little
1:07:15
Speaker 6: bit of. Both but obviously there's a fine, line you,
1:07:18
Speaker 6: know and you don't want a guy that you know
1:07:20
Speaker 6: was kind of the jack of all, trades master of,
1:07:22
Speaker 6: none and you, know you don't have a defined. Position
1:07:25
Speaker 6: but obviously the tape shows that he can, play you,
1:07:28
Speaker 6: know stack, linebacker but you, know if you have the
1:07:31
Speaker 6: edge rushing versatility to, you you, know can you turn
1:07:34
Speaker 6: to a guy Like Michael parsons who plays stack linebacker
1:07:37
Speaker 6: At Penn state before transitioning at edge, rusher the same
1:07:40
Speaker 6: thing will have do A carter as. Well so IF
1:07:43
Speaker 6: o r Vel reese wants to go that, high you,
1:07:46
Speaker 6: know teams have to feel pretty good about his ability
1:07:48
Speaker 6: to potentially be a pass rusher at THE nfl.
1:07:51
Speaker 5: Level all, right let's dial it on the local guys
1:07:53
Speaker 5: here in the state Of, utah especially The Utes Outland
1:07:58
Speaker 5: trophy Winner Spencer. Fono i've seen the several different projections
1:08:01
Speaker 5: for him in several different mock, drafts as high as,
1:08:05
Speaker 5: three potentially down low in the in the ten or fifteen.
1:08:09
Speaker 5: Range AND i, think maybe most, importantly there does not
1:08:13
Speaker 5: appear to be overall consensus on whether or not it'll
1:08:17
Speaker 5: be him Or Francis maulinghola that come off the.
1:08:20
Speaker 3: Board. First what are you hearing In.
1:08:22
Speaker 2: Indianapolis i'm sure the conversation around offensive line will will
1:08:25
Speaker 2: ramp up more when their day, Comes but what are
1:08:28
Speaker 2: you hearing so far about the offensive, line particularly the.
1:08:31
Speaker 6: Tackles, YEAH i think The madras kind of mirror what
1:08:35
Speaker 6: you're hearing you know that some teams are really high
1:08:38
Speaker 6: on Spencer finals ability and ability to play tackle at
1:08:42
Speaker 6: THE nfl level something maybe he can be a really
1:08:44
Speaker 6: high level. Guard, so you, know depending on how a
1:08:47
Speaker 6: team views him and his long term output and where
1:08:50
Speaker 6: he may be, best you, know, five, six seven years
1:08:53
Speaker 6: down the, LINE i think that's kind of kind of
1:08:56
Speaker 6: be dependent on how high he goes or you, know
1:08:58
Speaker 6: how long he lasts in the First but, YEAH i
1:09:00
Speaker 6: think with mal you, know and With, fano you, KNOW
1:09:04
Speaker 6: i think they're both guys that extremely, talented technically, refined you,
1:09:08
Speaker 6: know really strong pass, protectors guys that you, know are built.
1:09:13
Speaker 4: To play the.
1:09:13
Speaker 6: Position it's just the fact of you, know do you
1:09:16
Speaker 6: see the comfortability with? That and think With fano, too
1:09:20
Speaker 6: was he weighs in that you, know is he in
1:09:22
Speaker 6: that three hundred plus pound? Range is he in like
1:09:25
Speaker 6: the two? Nineties you, KNOW i think a lot of
1:09:27
Speaker 6: that's going, to you, know kind of be a big
1:09:29
Speaker 6: determining factor in the way that teams are evaluating. Him
1:09:33
Speaker 6: BUT i think regardless you, know whether he's at, tackle
1:09:36
Speaker 6: he's at, guard you, know whether he place both in his,
1:09:39
Speaker 6: CAREER i think he's a guy that you, know has
1:09:42
Speaker 6: shown on this tape that you, know not only is
1:09:44
Speaker 6: he a really, strong solid run, blocker but you, know
1:09:47
Speaker 6: a very reliable pass protector and the recovery ability and
1:09:51
Speaker 6: all those things that you look for in the left
1:09:53
Speaker 6: tackle or right tackle at THE nfl, level AND i
1:09:56
Speaker 6: think he has a skill set to do. It and
1:09:58
Speaker 6: you know a big part of that is going to,
1:09:59
Speaker 6: be you, know where the measurables come in for him
1:10:02
Speaker 6: offensive line, wise and you, know if he does end up,
1:10:05
Speaker 6: testing you know where he comes in.
1:10:07
Speaker 3: At what About Caleb.
1:10:10
Speaker 5: LOMU i have no doubt That spencer final is going
1:10:13
Speaker 5: to be a first round draft pick. SOMEWHERE i think
1:10:16
Speaker 5: that what we know about him when he, tests he
1:10:20
Speaker 5: will look fluid at. Athletic and the same is true
1:10:24
Speaker 5: Of Caleb, lomu who is either in late and late
1:10:27
Speaker 5: in first round pick and some draft projections or maybe
1:10:30
Speaker 5: early second round. Whatever what are you hearing About Caleb
1:10:33
Speaker 5: lomo the Other utah offensive.
1:10:35
Speaker 6: Tackle, YEAH i think that everyone kind of talks about the.
1:10:39
Speaker 6: Potential everyone talks, about you, know where he can be
1:10:42
Speaker 6: in the next three or four, years and, ultimately when
1:10:44
Speaker 6: you've taken a first round tackle is not about it's
1:10:48
Speaker 6: not always about eternally where they, are but where they
1:10:51
Speaker 6: can grow to. Be and he's already a special pass
1:10:53
Speaker 6: protector in my. Opinion he's a guy that lies on his,
1:10:56
Speaker 6: feet you, know, athletic you, know very fluid in his.
1:11:00
Speaker 6: Movements you, know a guy THAT i saw start to you,
1:11:04
Speaker 6: know even develop it as a run blocker as, well
1:11:06
Speaker 6: especially In utah's run heavy. SCHEME i think he's a
1:11:10
Speaker 6: guy that's going to come out of the week looking
1:11:12
Speaker 6: better than than he did coming in BECAUSE i think
1:11:14
Speaker 6: he's going to test like an elite athlete and that's
1:11:17
Speaker 6: what you need to last on the, edge and especially
1:11:19
Speaker 6: a left. Tackle AND i think with With, lomu everyone
1:11:23
Speaker 6: sees the, potential everyone sees what what he brings to the.
1:11:25
Speaker 6: Table AND i, think you, know meeting THE nfl, teams
1:11:27
Speaker 6: getting in front of UH nfl coaches and then showcasing
1:11:31
Speaker 6: the ability you, know at the combine drills On sunday
1:11:34
Speaker 6: is only going to help h you, know grow his
1:11:36
Speaker 6: stock and kind of submit himself in the first. Round
1:11:39
Speaker 6: AND i always, think, uh there's always a tackle, tax you,
1:11:42
Speaker 6: know in the first round of a, Draft like even
1:11:45
Speaker 6: if you feel like he's not a, guy maybe afraid
1:11:47
Speaker 6: to play from day. One, uh he's a guy that
1:11:49
Speaker 6: you still take early because of the tools and all
1:11:52
Speaker 6: the things that he brings to the. Table. Uh you,
1:11:54
Speaker 6: know from from athletic, standpoint.
1:11:57
Speaker 2: There's a conversation about whether or, not you, know quarterback
1:12:00
Speaker 2: going to throw at the.
1:12:01
Speaker 3: Combine AND i get.
1:12:03
Speaker 5: It the quarterbacks are like the they're the crown jewels
1:12:06
Speaker 5: of every draft.
1:12:06
Speaker 3: Class and but for.
1:12:10
Speaker 2: Offensive, linemen defensive, linemen linebackers or, whatever how is it
1:12:14
Speaker 2: viewed now by teams when you don't participate in a particular.
1:12:18
Speaker 2: Drill maybe there's conversation About, landerbarton who's A utah, guy
1:12:23
Speaker 2: maybe not running his forty at the combine and waiting
1:12:26
Speaker 2: Till pro day because they know that, he'll you, know
1:12:29
Speaker 2: turn into a better time. There how is that viewed by, scouts, teams.
1:12:32
Speaker 6: GMS i ultimately think it depends on the team and
1:12:38
Speaker 6: with the emergence of LIKE gps testing and all those
1:12:42
Speaker 6: different things that you can measure the speed of a
1:12:45
Speaker 6: player and the game, speing all those different. Things you,
1:12:48
Speaker 6: KNOW i think it comes, Twofold like if you're a
1:12:50
Speaker 6: receiver and defensive back that is choosing out to, TEST
1:12:54
Speaker 6: i think that's looked at a little bit, unfavorably you don't,
1:12:57
Speaker 6: know versus like a, linebacker running, back you, know off
1:13:00
Speaker 6: it's alignement those type of positions just BECAUSE i feel
1:13:03
Speaker 6: like those positions are more like you, know instinct, based you,
1:13:08
Speaker 6: know more uh feel for the, game all those different
1:13:12
Speaker 6: things that you know can't necessarily be, quantified h you,
1:13:15
Speaker 6: know by the measurables or the. Testing BUT i think
1:13:19
Speaker 6: it really comes down case the, case you, know when
1:13:22
Speaker 6: you look at skill, position like you, KNOW i think
1:13:24
Speaker 6: even with, quarterbacks like depending on where you, are like
1:13:27
Speaker 6: if you're a guy that is suspected to go high
1:13:31
Speaker 6: or could go, high you, know it seems kind of
1:13:33
Speaker 6: a normal routine that you know they're going to skip
1:13:35
Speaker 6: pro day or skip throwing at the combine they just
1:13:39
Speaker 6: do at their pro day or do a private workout
1:13:41
Speaker 6: with THE nfl. Team BUT i think, overall you, KNOW
1:13:45
Speaker 6: i think it's looked at more favorably for those non you,
1:13:48
Speaker 6: know LIKE bb edge wide receiver. Positions but but those
1:13:54
Speaker 6: those three POSITIONS i think in, particular, uh you, KNOW
1:13:58
Speaker 6: i feel like are a little bit more you, know
1:14:00
Speaker 6: teams come looking at, it you, know with a different
1:14:04
Speaker 6: lens of you, know what could they be hiding speed?
1:14:07
Speaker 6: Wise you, know are they you, know, no fully? Healthy you,
1:14:10
Speaker 6: KNOW i think more questions come from those position.
1:14:12
Speaker 2: Groups it feels like every combine we have somebody who
1:14:16
Speaker 2: kind of jumps off the screen or the page whatever
1:14:19
Speaker 2: because he's surprises with athletic, performance and then everyone maybe
1:14:24
Speaker 2: goes back to the tape and, says, oh, yeah why
1:14:26
Speaker 2: didn't we know this guy was going to do?
1:14:27
Speaker 5: This why didn't we realize that this was going to
1:14:29
Speaker 5: be one of the show the show stoppers here at this.
1:14:34
Speaker 5: Combine and sometimes people come into the combine thinking, Like,
1:14:37
Speaker 5: HEY i want to watch this person specifically BECAUSE i
1:14:41
Speaker 5: think they're going to blow everyone away and maybe they're
1:14:44
Speaker 5: not being talked about by everyone in THESE nfl.
1:14:47
Speaker 3: Circles is there anyone in that category for?
1:14:49
Speaker 2: You is there anyone who maybe you watched them this
1:14:52
Speaker 2: past season and you think that they're being overlooked right,
1:14:55
Speaker 2: now but this combine might fix.
1:14:57
Speaker 3: It who do you have your eyes? On In?
1:14:59
Speaker 6: Indiana, yeah wide Receiver Brendan thompson From Mississippi. STATE i,
1:15:04
Speaker 6: think you, know it's very apparent that he's a guy
1:15:07
Speaker 6: that you, know could, uh you, know blow up the.
1:15:10
Speaker 6: Combine you, know he is electric. Speed you, know a
1:15:13
Speaker 6: guy that can stretch the, field extremely explosive, player can
1:15:18
Speaker 6: create after the. CATCH i think he's everything that the
1:15:21
Speaker 6: MODERN nfl is looking, for especially in guys that can
1:15:23
Speaker 6: be like gadget type players that can you, know catch
1:15:26
Speaker 6: those screens and make big things. Happen and you know
1:15:29
Speaker 6: when a receiver class is so, deep you, know every
1:15:31
Speaker 6: year we we kind of have that. CONVERSATION i Think
1:15:34
Speaker 6: thompson is getting a little bit lost in that. Translation
1:15:37
Speaker 6: and a guy THAT i think is it's gonna absolutely
1:15:40
Speaker 6: blow away testing and be a guy that we come
1:15:43
Speaker 6: out that were talking a lot more, about you, know
1:15:46
Speaker 6: maybe end of day, two early day, three and the
1:15:49
Speaker 6: player that ultimately everyone's gonna want because you want a
1:15:51
Speaker 6: guy that, fast that that can you, know kind of
1:15:54
Speaker 6: shift the, field tilt the field in your.
1:15:56
Speaker 3: Favor where do you stand on for Of.
1:16:00
Speaker 2: Mendoza it seems like everyone just agrees he's going to
1:16:03
Speaker 2: go number one. OVERALL i have heard a couple of
1:16:06
Speaker 2: dissenters say, like, yeah he's a great story for, college
1:16:09
Speaker 2: BUT i don't know if you know that personality and
1:16:12
Speaker 2: that skill set is going to excel the same way
1:16:14
Speaker 2: in THE.
1:16:14
Speaker 3: Nfl where do you stand on?
1:16:15
Speaker 6: Him, YEAH i Think mendoza is a terroristic player, that you,
1:16:20
Speaker 6: know just continue to elevate his, game you, know from
1:16:24
Speaker 6: from transferring from cal To. Indiana, uh you, know always
1:16:27
Speaker 6: matches the, moment you, know, clutch all those things that
1:16:31
Speaker 6: you look for in a, quarterback accurate plays on, time
1:16:35
Speaker 6: AND i think for The raiders for them to feel
1:16:38
Speaker 6: good about what he is coming into, potentially you, know
1:16:42
Speaker 6: it has to be really aggressive and free, agency you,
1:16:45
Speaker 6: know get aggressive in the, draft make sure that he
1:16:48
Speaker 6: has enough weapons and, protection uh to. Last in THE.
1:16:51
Speaker 6: Nfl more than a couple of, seasons we've seen quarterbacks
1:16:54
Speaker 6: come in and you, know especially With mendoza's limited, mobility
1:16:59
Speaker 6: he's a guy that and you know create you know
1:17:02
Speaker 6: some yards after you, know escaping the. Pocket but it's
1:17:05
Speaker 6: not really his strength of his. Game SO i think
1:17:08
Speaker 6: you're gonna have to set him, up you, know whether
1:17:10
Speaker 6: he goes to The, rais whether he doesn't go you know to,
1:17:13
Speaker 6: them or and goes somewhere else in the top five
1:17:16
Speaker 6: or top. Ten they had to, put you, know some
1:17:19
Speaker 6: some quality pieces around, him both offensive line, wise both
1:17:25
Speaker 6: as well as, receivers tight, ends all those different. Things
1:17:27
Speaker 6: SO i think For mendoza would be, successful it's not
1:17:30
Speaker 6: going to be just about him getting him in the,
1:17:31
Speaker 6: building you. KNOW i think it's gonna be about making
1:17:34
Speaker 6: sure that everything around, him you, know is well built
1:17:37
Speaker 6: and you, know built for him to last more than
1:17:40
Speaker 6: a couple of, seasons because, ultimately you, know if you're
1:17:42
Speaker 6: going to tell a guy at number one, overall, one
1:17:45
Speaker 6: you want to make sure he's a, guy and, two
1:17:47
Speaker 6: make sure that he has, enough you, know help around
1:17:50
Speaker 6: him to really succeed.
1:17:52
Speaker 3: BEFORE i let you.
1:17:53
Speaker 5: Go The eagles have a certain number of fans here
1:17:57
Speaker 5: In Salt Lake city and there's a always a bit
1:18:00
Speaker 5: of an off season saga going on with. THEM A.
1:18:04
Speaker 5: J brown seems to be at the center of it this.
1:18:06
Speaker 5: Year what is his future In? Philadelphia, WELL i, Mean.
1:18:10
Speaker 6: I'm sure The eagles will hope to be able to keep,
1:18:13
Speaker 6: them BUT i think certainly they're going to be shopping
1:18:15
Speaker 6: him and, seeing you, know what they can get for.
1:18:19
Speaker 6: Him they're listening to offers and have already listened to,
1:18:22
Speaker 6: offers and, ULTIMATELY i think he is a player that you,
1:18:25
Speaker 6: know you are going to sorely mess if he's now
1:18:27
Speaker 6: on the, roster but also you want a guy that
1:18:31
Speaker 6: you know is ready to you, know buy in and
1:18:35
Speaker 6: and contribute to the team and and you, know not
1:18:38
Speaker 6: become you, know a potential, distraction you, know for for
1:18:41
Speaker 6: what's going on and In. Philly and obviously things really
1:18:44
Speaker 6: came to a head this year and AND i, think you,
1:18:47
Speaker 6: know there's still part of him that wants to be
1:18:49
Speaker 6: In philly and play for The, eagles but also you,
1:18:52
Speaker 6: know he's just not going to get the type of
1:18:54
Speaker 6: value THAT i think he wants to. Command, uh you,
1:18:57
Speaker 6: know It's eagles. Offense it's a run first. Team you,
1:19:01
Speaker 6: know they want to bully teams in their. Trenches and,
1:19:04
Speaker 6: ULTIMATELY i think the way that they're set up right,
1:19:06
Speaker 6: now you, know it doesn't necessarily align with maybe what
1:19:09
Speaker 6: Aj brown, wants you, know receiving wise and production.
1:19:12
Speaker 3: Wise but, YEAH i.
1:19:15
Speaker 6: Think this IS i think if there is a trade
1:19:18
Speaker 6: to be, made probably after the. DRAFT i don't think
1:19:20
Speaker 6: it'll come before the, draft but BUT i, think you,
1:19:23
Speaker 6: know it is certainly a possibility that he's done for
1:19:25
Speaker 6: the next.
1:19:26
Speaker 5: Year, devin appreciate you giving us some time. Today enjoy
1:19:31
Speaker 5: the rest Of.
1:19:31
Speaker 2: Indianapolis and, yeah well we'll check in again right before the, draft.
1:19:35
Speaker 6: If that's all, Right, yeah, Absolutely thanks so much.
1:19:38
Speaker 2: Again Devin, JACKSON nfl draft analyst and sports editor over
1:19:43
Speaker 2: at The Philadelphia. Inquirer he is In indianapolis for THE
1:19:47
Speaker 2: Nfl Scouting combine interviews happening today and tomorrow is when
1:19:54
Speaker 2: linebackers and defensive linemen will start their.
1:19:56
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Speaker 2: do we stand On Mark? Pope have we decided how
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Speaker 3: Pope does At?
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Speaker 2: Kentucky you, know the local connection very, obvious and usually
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1:21:33
Speaker 2: to big blue. Blood in this, Case Kentucky basketball is
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Speaker 2: a blue. Blood so are we rooting For Mark pope
1:21:40
Speaker 2: in the state Of? Utah are you rooting Against Mark
1:21:42
Speaker 2: pope in the state Of? Utah, james where do you
1:21:44
Speaker 2: think most people stand on?
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Speaker 5: THIS i think probably most are rooting for him in this,
1:21:53
Speaker 5: state ALTHOUGH i don't expect Any utah fans to be
1:21:55
Speaker 5: rooting for him because of HIS yu ties and he
1:22:00
Speaker 5: was part of their resurgence and Post West Coast conference
1:22:05
Speaker 5: play the end of The West Coast conference here and
1:22:07
Speaker 5: Into big first year in The Big twelve ear at
1:22:09
Speaker 5: kind of their resurgence, There so DON'T i don't expect
1:22:12
Speaker 5: that segment of the state to be rooting for, Him
1:22:15
Speaker 5: BUT i would think even with, that The neutrals and
1:22:19
Speaker 5: the Bau, FANS i would say probably most are rooting for.
1:22:23
Speaker 2: Him, Well Mark pope is fine twenty five thousand dollars
1:22:27
Speaker 2: by THE sec for postgame conduct and comments about the
1:22:32
Speaker 2: officiating following The Kentucky wildcats game Against.
1:22:36
Speaker 3: Auburn this was earlier in the. Week it was a.
1:22:40
Speaker 2: Flop Colin chandler had the ball offensive foul was called.
1:22:47
Speaker 3: Against the inbounds on the inbounds pass at the end
1:22:50
Speaker 3: of the.
1:22:50
Speaker 5: Game, yeah And Kevin overton was The auburn defender who flopped.
1:22:55
Speaker 3: LIKE i was.
1:22:56
Speaker 5: Falling he was halfway to the ground Before Colin chandler
1:23:00
Speaker 5: contact with.
1:23:00
Speaker 3: Him, Yeah auburn gets.
1:23:03
Speaker 2: Possession they make the game winning shot with one point
1:23:06
Speaker 2: one seconds.
1:23:06
Speaker 3: Left and, uh this is.
1:23:10
Speaker 5: An chandler by the, Way Farmington PHOENIX u, tuh, kids that's,
1:23:14
Speaker 5: wow shout, out there's a. Pull Farmington phoenix Has farmington
1:23:20
Speaker 5: how many big time college athletes has. Far it's a
1:23:23
Speaker 5: new high, school so they. Haven't they haven't produced a ton.
1:23:26
Speaker 5: Yet pretty. NEW I i don't know for, sure BUT
1:23:29
Speaker 5: i do know that he he was one of the
1:23:32
Speaker 5: top recruits in the country in his, class and then
1:23:34
Speaker 5: he went on his went on his mission and committed
1:23:37
Speaker 5: TO byu before his, mission And Mark pope went To
1:23:40
Speaker 5: kentucky while he was.
1:23:41
Speaker 3: Out so this is my favorite part about the. Fine All, right.
1:23:47
Speaker 2: He's, walking he's, mad he's, ranting, okay and then he
1:23:50
Speaker 2: yells to the athletic director At, kentucky if those bad
1:23:57
Speaker 2: word try to find, me screw. THEM i didn't say
1:24:01
Speaker 2: a word about how they cheated.
1:24:02
Speaker 10: Us it's the perfect way to say.
1:24:09
Speaker 2: Something, hey just so you, know if they try to find,
1:24:13
Speaker 2: US i didn't say anything about how badly they screwed
1:24:17
Speaker 2: us in this.
1:24:17
Speaker 5: Game and then of course they get the. Fine SO
1:24:21
Speaker 5: i could have said. This, Now i'm not gonna tell
1:24:25
Speaker 5: you what idiots these blind referees are because that would
1:24:29
Speaker 5: get me a.
1:24:30
Speaker 3: Fine SO i will not be saying. THAT i love
1:24:33
Speaker 3: when people do.
1:24:33
Speaker 2: That if you're having an argument with your, spouse if
1:24:37
Speaker 2: you're talking to your, boss if you're ranting about somebody in,
1:24:41
Speaker 2: traffic that's the.
1:24:41
Speaker 3: Best way to do.
1:24:42
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1:24:49
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1:24:52
Speaker 2: Other way without saying anything about how hideous that couches
1:24:55
Speaker 2: that you bought gets your point of crome even more
1:25:00
Speaker 2: effectively in my.
1:25:01
Speaker 5: Opinion what what did you like more of this postgame
1:25:05
Speaker 5: interaction or uh the press conference where he gave surprisingly
1:25:11
Speaker 5: sage advice to journalism.
1:25:13
Speaker 3: Students did you see? THIS i did see. That HE
1:25:17
Speaker 3: i like this version. Better it.
1:25:22
Speaker 5: Does it does catch you off guard when coaches like,
1:25:26
Speaker 5: go especially in a postgame.
1:25:29
Speaker 3: Scenario.
1:25:29
Speaker 2: Right there was the one The european soccer one where
1:25:34
Speaker 2: the guy was, like, hey so and so missed the
1:25:37
Speaker 2: missed this game for the birth of his, Child like.
1:25:44
Speaker 3: What's? It are you okay with? That and the coaches like,
1:25:47
Speaker 3: yeah what do you?
1:25:48
Speaker 2: Mean and the reporter followed up it was just, like,
1:25:51
Speaker 2: well you, know does it show any kind of commitment
1:25:54
Speaker 2: issue or that he?
1:25:55
Speaker 5: Said and Again i'm paraphrasing. Here i'm sure all of
1:25:58
Speaker 5: you seen the, clip but it's, THIS i don't Know, German, Eastern, european.
1:26:02
Speaker 5: Whatever he's just, like young, man how old are? You
1:26:05
Speaker 5: you can't hear the. Answer he's, Like, okay do you have? Children,
1:26:09
Speaker 5: no come talk to me when you have.
1:26:11
Speaker 2: Children this game means. Nothing seeing a child born is
1:26:16
Speaker 2: the peak of human.
1:26:16
Speaker 5: Experience, Okay and everyone in the rooms just, like, yep,
1:26:19
Speaker 5: okay got.
1:26:20
Speaker 3: It, no, no not that's.
1:26:22
Speaker 2: Yeah and it's so it's so out of context in
1:26:26
Speaker 2: a sports postgame, presser but it's.
1:26:29
Speaker 3: Cool what it. Happens, yeah this. UH i.
1:26:33
Speaker 5: SAW i saw a few comments on the video of
1:26:38
Speaker 5: him giving advice to these young journalism students on you
1:26:43
Speaker 5: know what he thinks will help them be good, journalists,
1:26:48
Speaker 5: right successful. JOURNALISTS i saw a. Few overwhelmingly people are,
1:26:52
Speaker 5: like this is. Amazing but there are a few that,
1:26:54
Speaker 5: said why are you asking a basketball coach? This and
1:26:56
Speaker 5: my response was why not ask anyone? This, like we
1:27:00
Speaker 5: all consume media and and this is a. Guy and
1:27:04
Speaker 5: when it comes to two sports, coaches, collegiate, pro high,
1:27:08
Speaker 5: school particularly college and, pro they're deal they're dealing with
1:27:14
Speaker 5: directly with the media more than any of us. Are
1:27:16
Speaker 5: unless you're one of us that work in the, media,
1:27:19
Speaker 5: right and so of course there you would think that
1:27:22
Speaker 5: they'd have some good, insight and he ended up EXCEEDING
1:27:24
Speaker 5: i think just about everyone's expectation on the advice that
1:27:29
Speaker 5: did he had for. That if you missed, that go
1:27:31
Speaker 5: go check that. Out we reposted on THE espn seven
1:27:34
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1:27:36
Speaker 3: Friday but, yes.
1:27:38
Speaker 5: The salty from an entertainment, VALUE i Think i'm with.
1:27:43
Speaker 5: YOU i like the salty backhanded comments about officials a
1:27:50
Speaker 5: little bit. More this one is really really. Cool uh
1:27:54
Speaker 5: this next. Story Connor hellibuck.
1:27:58
Speaker 2: Has a gold medal and now he's getting The Presidential
1:28:00
Speaker 2: medal Of. Freedom Donald trump announced this during The state
1:28:04
Speaker 2: of The union. ADDRESS i, again do your best if
1:28:08
Speaker 2: you're not a fan of the current, president or if
1:28:10
Speaker 2: you are a huge fan of the current, president whatever
1:28:14
Speaker 2: it's coming from the office of The president of.
1:28:16
Speaker 3: The United, states just put it that.
1:28:18
Speaker 2: Way Connor hallibuk had forty one saves in a gold
1:28:22
Speaker 2: medal game and brought the highest honor and glory TO
1:28:27
Speaker 2: us hockey on the men's side of things in the
1:28:30
Speaker 2: last five decades with his. Performance and because of, that
1:28:35
Speaker 2: he is getting The Presidential medal Of. Freedom and it
1:28:38
Speaker 2: looks like he's gonna be the first hockey player to
1:28:40
Speaker 2: ever receive. This it is a civilian, Honor so don't
1:28:43
Speaker 2: start getting up at.
1:28:44
Speaker 3: Arms why you give it athletes the medals for the.
1:28:48
Speaker 2: Military this is specifically for civilians and who achieved greatness
1:28:53
Speaker 2: in their.
1:28:54
Speaker 3: Field, yeah plenty athletes have gotten this, Too.
1:28:57
Speaker 5: Simone, Biles Joe, DiMaggio Michael, Jordan Megan, Rappino Babe. Ruth
1:29:03
Speaker 5: there have been six hundred and seventy one total individuals
1:29:07
Speaker 5: in our history who has received the nation's highest civilian,
1:29:10
Speaker 5: honor And Connor hellibuk now gets to add his name
1:29:14
Speaker 5: to that. List the players were at The state of
1:29:18
Speaker 5: The union address the MEN'S i think it.
1:29:21
Speaker 3: Was everyone on the men's, team so that's kind of.
1:29:24
Speaker 5: Cool, yeah they were, INVITED i think in the postgame locker,
1:29:29
Speaker 5: room during the postgame locker room. Celebration they were invited
1:29:32
Speaker 5: by The president to visit him at The White house
1:29:35
Speaker 5: and be a guest at The state of The. Union so,
1:29:38
Speaker 5: yeah pretty cool.
1:29:41
Speaker 2: Now he also said that the women's team is going
1:29:44
Speaker 2: to go visit The White, house even though the official
1:29:47
Speaker 2: story was that they had declined the invitation to come
1:29:50
Speaker 2: to The White.
1:29:50
Speaker 3: House BECAUSE i knew there was some.
1:29:52
Speaker 2: Drama there was some, drama some feeling that he had
1:29:55
Speaker 2: been dismissive of their, accomplishment and.
1:29:59
Speaker 6: Who.
1:29:59
Speaker 5: KNOWS i, mean, look plenty of people stand in front
1:30:02
Speaker 5: of microphones that are just, like, Yeah james, Said he's
1:30:04
Speaker 5: gonna give me a million dollars and it might not
1:30:07
Speaker 5: actually be, true so we'll.
1:30:08
Speaker 3: See.
1:30:09
Speaker 2: Now the other spinoff story of this is That Flavor
1:30:13
Speaker 2: flave of all, People Flavor. Flave when that whole thing
1:30:17
Speaker 2: with THE us women's team potentially turning down an invitation
1:30:21
Speaker 2: to The White, house he hopped on social media and was, like,
1:30:24
Speaker 2: well how about you guys come To vegas and party
1:30:26
Speaker 2: with me. INSTEAD i will host you In vegas and
1:30:29
Speaker 2: will celebrate your gold. Medal apparently that invitation was, accepted
1:30:34
Speaker 2: SO i Guess Flavor flame might be hosting the women's
1:30:38
Speaker 2: national team hockey national team gold medalists going to party
1:30:43
Speaker 2: In vegas With Flavor.
1:30:44
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1:30:46
Speaker 2: Wow, LOOK i can say this is Something i'm very
1:30:49
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1:30:51
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1:30:55
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1:30:59
Speaker 2: Flavor Flavor flame's godson is the grandson Of Muhammad.
1:31:06
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1:31:09
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1:31:14
Speaker 5: athlete and now he's a.
1:31:15
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1:31:19
Speaker 2: a professional mixed martial.
1:31:20
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1:31:24
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1:31:28
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1:31:30
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1:31:32
Speaker 2: Flavor flav comes to every one of his, fights every
1:31:35
Speaker 2: single one of his. Fights you could See Flavor flave
1:31:38
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1:31:41
Speaker 2: dude he's always when he's out in, public he is always.
1:31:44
Speaker 5: On who Was we're gonna have To we're gonna have
1:31:47
Speaker 5: to Ask spence this during during Cross, talks he had
1:31:50
Speaker 5: a recent guest say talking about how their only bad, Experience, oh,
1:31:58
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1:32:01
Speaker 5: Ish Lui. Shimbashi she said her only bad experience interviewing
1:32:06
Speaker 5: celebrities Was Flavor flav because he was like two hours
1:32:11
Speaker 5: late despite wearing a, clock a giant, CLOCK.
1:32:14
Speaker 3: I don't think it actually.
1:32:15
Speaker 5: Works, yeah and he like bounced after like five minutes
1:32:19
Speaker 5: because he's, LIKE i don't want to do. THIS i
1:32:22
Speaker 5: don't want to do this s after being, that after
1:32:25
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1:32:28
Speaker 5: head because of the recent interview With.
1:32:29
Speaker 2: Spence it's you have these like moments in your life
1:32:33
Speaker 2: at various ages where you look around in the setting
1:32:36
Speaker 2: you're at and you're just, like what how DID i get?
1:32:38
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1:32:39
Speaker 2: Life and that happened to me This we did a
1:32:43
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1:32:45
Speaker 5: Won after party was at a cigar bar that is
1:32:49
Speaker 5: owned By Ray lewis In.
1:32:51
Speaker 3: Vegas, Okay Ray.
1:32:53
Speaker 2: Lewis Marshawn, Lynch Sean, merriman And Flavor flame are all
1:32:59
Speaker 2: there and me and you and like you, Know, Biaggio biaggio's,
1:33:06
Speaker 2: Camp biaggio's, parents.
1:33:08
Speaker 5: And you're looking around going football. Players one of these
1:33:12
Speaker 5: things is not like the. Other it's not, me it's
1:33:15
Speaker 5: flav Of. Flight i'm, like what's going on? Here and
1:33:17
Speaker 5: Like Sean merriman he owns a REGIONAL mma. Promotion Sean merriman,
1:33:22
Speaker 5: is by the, way still. Gigantic Ray lewis is also
1:33:28
Speaker 5: Like ray is not incredibly, tall but he's like still
1:33:32
Speaker 5: super super, Muscular and watching those two guys talk to
1:33:37
Speaker 5: one another about in their like, fifties being, like, hey
1:33:40
Speaker 5: would you ever do? It because they'd come to the,
1:33:42
Speaker 5: fight you think you would want to. Fight i'm just
1:33:44
Speaker 5: like these guys would still be able to smash. People
1:33:47
Speaker 5: BUT i had one of those moments WHERE i was,
1:33:48
Speaker 5: LIKE i, look you, know your field of vision is, Like,
1:33:52
Speaker 5: okay that's a GUY i work.
1:33:53
Speaker 2: With that's my Buddy. Manny That's. Jorge he does Our
1:33:58
Speaker 2: spanish language.
1:33:59
Speaker 5: Common we're hanging, Out we're having some more, derbs some
1:34:02
Speaker 5: snacks at this after.
1:34:03
Speaker 3: Party oh there's the. Fighter this is kind of his.
1:34:06
Speaker 2: Thing there's his mom and dad That it's, like, wait
1:34:09
Speaker 2: That's Ray, lewis That's Sean, Merriman Marshawn lynch is, here
1:34:13
Speaker 2: And Flavor flave is just holding courts over all of,
1:34:15
Speaker 2: it and you think about your life and you're, like
1:34:18
Speaker 2: how DID i end up in this?
1:34:19
Speaker 3: Room is that?
1:34:21
Speaker 5: Is was that your first interaction With Ray lewis or
1:34:24
Speaker 5: had you met?
1:34:24
Speaker 2: Before i've actually like Ray it's, weird but Like i've
1:34:31
Speaker 2: been around Ray lewis a lot now because he was
1:34:34
Speaker 2: an investor in the, company and we've done a bunch
1:34:36
Speaker 2: of different things with him in THE, pfl like a.
1:34:38
Speaker 5: Bunch SO i, like, No Ray, lewis you had mentioned that.
1:34:43
Speaker 5: BEFORE i just wondered if this was the. Origin, no,
1:34:46
Speaker 5: no this was.
1:34:46
Speaker 2: After SO i talked With ray quite he introduced me
1:34:49
Speaker 2: To marshawn and To Sean. Merriman and it was very
1:34:53
Speaker 2: odd again because you're just, like.
1:34:55
Speaker 3: YEAH i just a. Guy, Hello i'm just. Here he
1:34:59
Speaker 3: gots a prob and. Stuff, Hello, Hello i'm a pro athlete.
1:35:03
Speaker 5: TOO i also look at all look at all OF
1:35:07
Speaker 5: us pro.
1:35:07
Speaker 3: Athletes definitely all created. Equal. Huh i'm one of you,
1:35:12
Speaker 3: guys celebrity Like Flavor.
1:35:16
Speaker 5: Flav, yeah you guys and, me we're all pro, athletes
1:35:19
Speaker 5: and they're just, like, WHAT i don't know who you, are. Sir, Yeah,
1:35:23
Speaker 5: hey that's that is a that's a crazy soul situation you.
1:35:28
Speaker 5: FOUND i hope we find at some point THE us
1:35:31
Speaker 5: women's hockey team we get the footage of them partying
1:35:33
Speaker 5: In vegas With Flavor, flav BECAUSE i promise you there
1:35:36
Speaker 5: are gonna be women on that team who have that
1:35:38
Speaker 5: exact same moment while they're at that.
1:35:41
Speaker 3: Party they're just gonna be looking around and be, like
1:35:43
Speaker 3: what is my? Life i'm here partying With Flavor flav
1:35:46
Speaker 3: hosting me In. Vegas.
1:35:48
Speaker 5: Uh speaking of, Hockey by the, Way crosby is ON.
1:35:51
Speaker 5: Ir so you mean the captain of the silver medalist.
1:35:55
Speaker 2: Silver Medalist Sidney crosby has gone TO. Ir he will
1:36:00
Speaker 2: miss at least four weeks with a lower bought body
1:36:02
Speaker 2: injury sustained during The Winter. Olympics that's a tough blow
1:36:07
Speaker 2: for The Pittsburgh. Penguins that's your, captain That's canada's. Captain
1:36:10
Speaker 2: and he's also very grouchy because he came back with
1:36:13
Speaker 2: a silver, medalist a silver medal instead of a gold.
1:36:16
Speaker 5: MEDAL i just have one, question how will The Pittsburgh
1:36:18
Speaker 5: penguins ever lose in The Stanley Cup final without their silver,
1:36:21
Speaker 5: medalist captain and.
1:36:23
Speaker 3: STAR i see what you're. Doing how will they ever do?
1:36:25
Speaker 2: THAT i only wish that there was like a Real
1:36:28
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh penguins fan to listen to the. Trolling there's probably
1:36:32
Speaker 2: not one Legitimate penguins fan in the state Of. Utah
1:36:36
Speaker 2: there might be eight seven seven three five if you're
1:36:41
Speaker 2: really mad and you just turned off, well but they're.
1:36:44
Speaker 2: Proud they're This Pittsburgh penguins fan is probably a Proud
1:36:47
Speaker 2: american as, well and so they're also, like.
1:36:50
Speaker 3: Yeah that's my, guy but That's i'm with, THEM. Usa let's.
1:36:54
Speaker 5: Go did you like The do you think people like
1:36:57
Speaker 5: the subtly? Salty Sports center updates on the show today,
1:37:02
Speaker 5: TOO i hope. So james made sure to highlight that
1:37:06
Speaker 5: it was a silver medallist For crosby and The crosby
1:37:10
Speaker 5: story and the fact that the hated the star of
1:37:13
Speaker 5: The Hated Colorado avalanche is silver Medalist nathan, McKinnon, who
1:37:19
Speaker 5: hopefully he struggles to score on wide open nets tonight
1:37:23
Speaker 5: just like you did in the gold?
1:37:24
Speaker 3: Medal can?
1:37:25
Speaker 2: You, so in all, seriousness we have no real reason
1:37:28
Speaker 2: to Hate nathan, McKinnon but he is a member of
1:37:31
Speaker 2: The Colorado, avalanche and he's also a member of The
1:37:33
Speaker 2: canadian national, team and both of those we are going
1:37:35
Speaker 2: to be rooting against FOR i guess the rest of.
1:37:39
Speaker 3: Time imagine.
1:37:44
Speaker 5: Imagine the nightmares he's gonna, have the waking nightmares he's
1:37:48
Speaker 5: gonna have about that, scenario probably for the rest of his.
1:37:53
Speaker 3: Days you know, What LIKE i.
1:37:55
Speaker 2: Still HAVE i still have a very very specific play
1:38:01
Speaker 2: from high school football Against Alta High who In sandy
1:38:04
Speaker 2: that's your, rival right and my senior. SEASON i can
1:38:10
Speaker 2: still see it in my, Mind, james the, low, low
1:38:13
Speaker 2: low stakes of a high school football game compared to
1:38:16
Speaker 2: a gold medal hockey.
1:38:18
Speaker 5: Game it's not even worth the. Comparison BUT i have
1:38:21
Speaker 5: a very deeply specific memory Of Brock hansen dropping back
1:38:29
Speaker 5: The alta.
1:38:29
Speaker 2: Quarterback he's about to throw this thing into the. FLAT
1:38:34
Speaker 2: i have a perfect angle and a perfect read on
1:38:37
Speaker 2: the ball going out there into the. Flat To David,
1:38:40
Speaker 2: anger it should have been a pick, Six, james there
1:38:43
Speaker 2: is no way in hell it could not have been
1:38:46
Speaker 2: a pick. Six and As i'm GOING i can't decide
1:38:50
Speaker 2: in that last split second If i'm gonna blow him
1:38:52
Speaker 2: up with a big hit or If i'm gonna pick the,
1:38:54
Speaker 2: Ball and BECAUSE i, HESITATED i did.
1:38:57
Speaker 3: Neither.
1:38:58
Speaker 2: RIGHT i still remember that this was twenty five years.
1:39:02
Speaker 2: AGO i still cringe inwardly if that ever comes into my,
1:39:07
Speaker 2: mind and it meant absolutely. Nothing they weren't a state champion,
1:39:12
Speaker 2: team we weren't a state.
1:39:14
Speaker 3: Champion playoff, game it wasn't a playoff. Game it meant.
1:39:18
Speaker 5: Zero nathan McKinnon is going to relive that moment where
1:39:24
Speaker 5: he missed the open net in a gold medal game
1:39:27
Speaker 5: and what would have been a decider.
1:39:29
Speaker 3: For the rest of his.
1:39:30
Speaker 5: Life it just it proves once again that those near
1:39:36
Speaker 5: misses are what stay with, you sometimes, longer sometimes more
1:39:42
Speaker 5: profoundly than the absolute great like championship or incredible athletic
1:39:50
Speaker 5: feats that you had after that. Point because for, you O,
1:39:54
Speaker 5: so you didn't have those like you wanted to in
1:39:57
Speaker 5: the sport of, football but you ended up having a
1:39:59
Speaker 5: NICE mma, CAREER mma champion and yet.
1:40:03
Speaker 3: That is still one of your biggest sports.
1:40:05
Speaker 5: Regrets you probably don't think of the glory that you
1:40:08
Speaker 5: felt winning that million dollars near like. That it's sometimes
1:40:12
Speaker 5: it probably feels more profound that missing that play than
1:40:15
Speaker 5: what you felt when you won THAT nfl.
1:40:17
Speaker 3: Championship and again it meant.
1:40:19
Speaker 5: Nothing AND i bet you not one other person on
1:40:22
Speaker 5: the planet remembers that play at.
1:40:24
Speaker 3: All it was like a six yard.
1:40:25
Speaker 5: Game, YEAH i bet the do you, think Brock, hanson
1:40:29
Speaker 5: if you're Listening Brock, texas do you remember that?
1:40:32
Speaker 2: Play Brock hanson is probably, like Who's sean, O'Connell David,
1:40:36
Speaker 2: anger is probably Like i've never heard of that person
1:40:38
Speaker 2: in my.
1:40:38
Speaker 3: LIFE i remember it with intimate. DETAIL i know exactly
1:40:43
Speaker 3: what it smelled. Like you know WHAT i?
1:40:45
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah and nobody else on the planet. Does, well guess, what.
1:40:48
Speaker 2: McKinnon everybody remembers your. Everybody i'm Gonna i'm never gonna
1:40:53
Speaker 2: forget it. Either And i'm if you somehow get like
1:40:57
Speaker 2: hypnosis to make you forget, It i'm gonna remind you.
1:41:01
Speaker 5: When McKinnon is A Stanley cup champion not that long
1:41:04
Speaker 5: ago with The avs what twenty twenty two, SEASON i
1:41:07
Speaker 5: think it. Was so this is a guy, who in
1:41:11
Speaker 5: a similar, way is Like I've i've Tasted i've tasted
1:41:17
Speaker 5: glory in hockey that even though this is very high
1:41:21
Speaker 5: stakes gold medal game for, sure it's also like that
1:41:25
Speaker 5: something like this should be washed out by What i've Already,
1:41:29
Speaker 5: hell What i've already done this Because i've Had but
1:41:31
Speaker 5: it doesn't work that.
1:41:32
Speaker 3: Way you know what signs.
1:41:34
Speaker 2: Are they should make a policy at The Delta center
1:41:37
Speaker 2: that signs are not. Allowed we know that you can't,
1:41:40
Speaker 2: tonight you can't bring, posters but if you write a
1:41:44
Speaker 2: poster that Reminds nathan McKinnon of his choking away the
1:41:48
Speaker 2: gold medal For canada with that miss on an open.
1:41:51
Speaker 5: Net then you can bring it into the do know
1:41:54
Speaker 5: what you should? Do, actually because pictures are not, banned
1:41:58
Speaker 5: bring a print out of that picture and then try
1:42:01
Speaker 5: to get his, autograph.
1:42:04
Speaker 2: Just eight x ten on photo quality, paper the same
1:42:09
Speaker 2: thing that your parents put in a. Frame maybe you
1:42:12
Speaker 2: bring it home from Jo justin's or, whatever.
1:42:14
Speaker 5: Hand them To, clayton get them To Clayton keller somehow
1:42:16
Speaker 5: and Ask clayton to ask for the autograph on your.
1:42:19
Speaker 3: Behalf, okay CAN i? AGAIN i.
1:42:20
Speaker 2: DON'T i know it's a bad personality trait and probably
1:42:24
Speaker 2: bad radio to make everything about, yourself but that happened
1:42:27
Speaker 2: to me one time where a guy THE. Ufc when
1:42:31
Speaker 2: you go when you fight in a big show in THE,
1:42:33
Speaker 2: pfl THE, ufc there's like a very small group but
1:42:36
Speaker 2: a group of autograph seekers that like find out what
1:42:40
Speaker 2: the fighter hotel, is and they're all exactly what you.
1:42:43
Speaker 2: Think they, are dudes between twenty eight and forty five
1:42:48
Speaker 2: years of age that have never competed in a sport
1:42:51
Speaker 2: themselves that but they're the autograph collectors and they come
1:42:53
Speaker 2: and they have like printed out pictures for you to,
1:42:57
Speaker 2: sign or they have baseball cards for you to, sign
1:43:00
Speaker 2: or you, know trading cards for to sign or.
1:43:02
Speaker 5: Whatever and a, guy a guy was, like, hey will
1:43:05
Speaker 5: you will you will you sign this for?
1:43:07
Speaker 3: Me and it was.
1:43:10
Speaker 5: The highlight of me getting knocked out in my very
1:43:14
Speaker 5: FIRST ufc. Fight it was it was like a picture
1:43:18
Speaker 5: that my, Opponent ryan Jim o rest in peace he
1:43:21
Speaker 5: would have loved to.
1:43:21
Speaker 2: Have and the guy's, like, well you sign. This i'm, like,
1:43:24
Speaker 2: NO i won't sign. That what are you talking? About
1:43:27
Speaker 2: that picture shows me going.
1:43:29
Speaker 5: Unconscious come, on oh see be a good sport.
1:43:33
Speaker 3: Picture sign? That, crap what are you talking.
1:43:35
Speaker 5: About athan McKinnon would probably file some kind of if if,
1:43:40
Speaker 5: that if that happened to him In Salt Lake city,
1:43:42
Speaker 5: tonight you.
1:43:42
Speaker 2: Get a restraining order, file you get banned from THE
1:43:45
Speaker 2: uh because they want to stay in good graces with THE,
1:43:48
Speaker 2: nhl and he's obviously an important player in THE. Nhl
1:43:51
Speaker 2: like that person's banned for. Life you're, like, NO i
1:43:54
Speaker 2: just have some. Fun here's what you. Do, okay everybody
1:43:58
Speaker 2: at The Delta center to find the freeze frame the
1:44:03
Speaker 2: picture of McKinnon not scoring that. Goal and everybody just
1:44:09
Speaker 2: put it, screen save it on your, phone and then
1:44:12
Speaker 2: point it towards the.
1:44:13
Speaker 3: Ice all.
1:44:14
Speaker 2: Right so when he or his teammates are skating around
1:44:18
Speaker 2: and they're looking up and they're, saying why has.
1:44:19
Speaker 3: Everyone showing us their cell?
1:44:20
Speaker 2: Phones and one of them is gonna skate close enough
1:44:23
Speaker 2: to the glass that he can see what the picture,
1:44:26
Speaker 2: is and.
1:44:26
Speaker 5: They're gonna be, like, no don't look, away you don't
1:44:28
Speaker 5: what you don't need to get?
1:44:30
Speaker 3: What what is? It what's on the? Phone?
1:44:33
Speaker 5: Nothing call mccarr what's on the.
1:44:36
Speaker 3: Phone tell me it's. Nothing, nate don't look at.
1:44:39
Speaker 5: It Or cole or you have my car is on
1:44:42
Speaker 5: the aps, too isn't he? Correct he's gonna freak out
1:44:44
Speaker 5: more Than nate.
1:44:45
Speaker 3: Mcginney don't do, that not to my. Guy, guys can
1:44:49
Speaker 3: we please do this? Tonight all?
1:44:50
Speaker 2: Right you, Know Adrian danny's gonna come in a couple
1:44:52
Speaker 2: of minutes for between the.
1:44:53
Speaker 5: Pipes he's gonna be in the. Building he can help
1:44:55
Speaker 5: us recruit some. People that's my, okay this is gonna
1:44:59
Speaker 5: be the, thing all. Right this is how you make
1:45:01
Speaker 5: it so The mammoth beat the abs. Tonight you get
1:45:04
Speaker 5: both of those best players on THE abs ejected by
1:45:08
Speaker 5: just the Subtle you don't say a, Word, OKAY i don't.
1:45:11
Speaker 2: Want you getting in trouble for abusive. Language just screensaver
1:45:16
Speaker 2: of the moment where McKinnon.
1:45:19
Speaker 3: Choked away the gold.
1:45:19
Speaker 2: Medal put it on your phone and just point it
1:45:22
Speaker 2: toward the. Glass put it up against the.
1:45:25
Speaker 5: Glasses, yeah if you have seats right on the, glass
1:45:30
Speaker 5: so you need to be doing.
1:45:31
Speaker 2: This, yeah because somebody in THAT abs uniform is gonna
1:45:34
Speaker 2: they're gonna be. Curious they're gonna be squitt what is
1:45:36
Speaker 2: That you're gonna skate over and there's gonna be, like
1:45:39
Speaker 2: what do you?
1:45:40
Speaker 3: Do why did you do? That it's gonna be. Good
1:45:43
Speaker 3: Clayton keller is gonna get in on it and be, like, hey, guys, hey,
1:45:46
Speaker 3: guys go go take a look at. That guys holding
1:45:49
Speaker 3: up on his phone.
1:45:49
Speaker 2: Over kells will take the high, road which will make
1:45:52
Speaker 2: it ten times. Worse he'll just bet guys we told
1:45:54
Speaker 2: him not. To can't you know how fans are can't.
1:45:57
Speaker 2: Control don't look at the? Phone so, okay Why, kels
1:46:01
Speaker 2: what's on the. Phone, no don't worry about, it don't
1:46:03
Speaker 2: look at. IT i don't want you to see.
1:46:04
Speaker 3: It this was not my. Idea. Guys we're doing it all.
1:46:10
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1:46:13
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Speaker 6: Going?
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Speaker 3: MAN i feel.
1:47:29
Speaker 2: GREAT i feel like we are collectively we are gold
1:47:32
Speaker 2: medalists in hockey Because TEAM usa brought that back for
1:47:35
Speaker 2: our entire. Country So i'm gonna unjustifiably be gloating about
1:47:40
Speaker 2: that for the next four.
1:47:41
Speaker 7: YEARS i think that's. Fair we get good four years
1:47:44
Speaker 7: to celebrate. It How how great's that first gold medal
1:47:49
Speaker 7: at The olympics and men's ice hockey in forty six.
1:47:52
Speaker 7: YEARS i think that's a rare, THING, oc that both
1:47:56
Speaker 7: you AND i can say last time that, happened we weren't. Born,
1:48:03
Speaker 7: Yeah like so much of the stuff you can go. Back,
1:48:06
Speaker 7: YEAH i remember that OR i was a little, Kid
1:48:09
Speaker 7: but forty six, years that's that's before.
1:48:12
Speaker 2: Us we were talking about that on the show about
1:48:15
Speaker 2: the you, know the impact that that game had on
1:48:19
Speaker 2: hockey culture in The United, states on sports in The United,
1:48:22
Speaker 2: states on sports storytelling in The United, States like The
1:48:25
Speaker 2: highlight is played ad nauseum over and over and over.
1:48:29
Speaker 2: Again Al michael's wishes he had royalties on that sound
1:48:32
Speaker 2: because he'd be a billionaire off by how many times
1:48:34
Speaker 2: that's been part of some. Package and of course there
1:48:38
Speaker 2: was a major motion picture made about. It Mikel ruzioni
1:48:41
Speaker 2: and some of those guys still get speaking engagements because
1:48:45
Speaker 2: they were involved with the miracle on. Ice but from
1:48:48
Speaker 2: An american sports culture, standpoint even if you weren't alive
1:48:52
Speaker 2: for the, moment you know how significant it. Was it
1:48:55
Speaker 2: has been told to, you there's been books written about,
1:48:57
Speaker 2: it and now we have that in.
1:49:00
Speaker 3: Point but it's actually a.
1:49:01
Speaker 2: Memory it's actually something that anyone forty six years and
1:49:05
Speaker 2: younger knows what. Happened they'll we'll remember where we.
1:49:09
Speaker 5: WERE i will never forget WHERE i was and WHO
1:49:12
Speaker 5: i was with when this gold medal, happened when that
1:49:15
Speaker 5: overtime goal went.
1:49:16
Speaker 2: In and my six year old, daughter who was watching with,
1:49:19
Speaker 2: ME i hope she never forgets that. Either such a cool.
1:49:21
Speaker 5: Thing and if nineteen eighty had that big of an
1:49:25
Speaker 5: impact On american, sport what is twenty twenty six gonna,
1:49:29
Speaker 5: do especially with the fact that we were all up
1:49:31
Speaker 5: at six am yes to turn on THE.
1:49:35
Speaker 7: Tv, right that's that's gonna give you a distinct memory of,
1:49:40
Speaker 7: it but international hockey has always been something you. Watch you, Like,
1:49:45
Speaker 7: okay can this can boost youth, hockey THE, nhl the
1:49:53
Speaker 7: game in, general especially as we come back out of
1:49:55
Speaker 7: it with twenty five games left to, go less than
1:49:59
Speaker 7: two months to go in the regular. Season you're you're
1:50:03
Speaker 7: really in it right. Now so for The, Mammoth i'm
1:50:08
Speaker 7: gonna start things off tonight with the best team in THE,
1:50:11
Speaker 7: nhl The Colorado. Avalanche it only seems appropriate right to
1:50:14
Speaker 7: go from the Gold medal game to best team in
1:50:19
Speaker 7: THE nhl for, Us.
1:50:20
Speaker 3: WELL i want To we will get to.
1:50:22
Speaker 2: This, YEAH i do want it BECAUSE i haven't had
1:50:24
Speaker 2: a chance to pick your brain about The Gold medal,
1:50:26
Speaker 2: game the way the TEAM i, mean and more, specifically
1:50:30
Speaker 2: most especially the way That Connor hellibuok stood on his
1:50:34
Speaker 2: head in the crease and saved forty one shots against
1:50:39
Speaker 2: not just like The Colorado, avalanche, which by the, way
1:50:41
Speaker 2: that would be incredibly, impressive but with an absolute who's
1:50:44
Speaker 2: who Of canadian, superstars which of course OUR nhl, SUPERSTARS i,
1:50:49
Speaker 2: mean one of the best individual teams ever assembled in
1:50:53
Speaker 2: the history of, hockey and he without a ton of
1:50:57
Speaker 2: support FOR i don't, know sixty minutes of that, game
1:51:00
Speaker 2: probably not that. Long forty minutes of that game he
1:51:04
Speaker 2: managed to shake the reputation about can he win the
1:51:07
Speaker 2: big one completely off and win the biggest one there.
1:51:10
Speaker 7: Is Sidney crosby said it at the start of The,
1:51:13
Speaker 7: olympics like being A canadian and being on The Canadian olympic,
1:51:18
Speaker 7: team it's a responsibility to win the gold. Medal And
1:51:24
Speaker 7: Connor hallibuck making forty one saves in that. GAME i
1:51:28
Speaker 7: once had a coach tell, me we don't want our
1:51:32
Speaker 7: goalie to give us a chance to. Win we want
1:51:37
Speaker 7: to be the reason that we win is because of our.
1:51:42
Speaker 7: Goaltending you can have goalies steel games And hellibuck making
1:51:47
Speaker 7: forty one saves. There the story kind of going into
1:51:50
Speaker 7: The olympics was would The canadian goaltending situation be a?
1:51:55
Speaker 7: Liability and you leave seeing that the goaltending situation for
1:52:02
Speaker 7: For temosa was a huge, Advantage like it. Wasn't it
1:52:07
Speaker 7: wasn't just the forty one, saves but the breakaways that
1:52:11
Speaker 7: that he, stopped like the it was key saves at
1:52:15
Speaker 7: key moments is something that that you talk about and
1:52:18
Speaker 7: hockey and And hellibuck was was right, there that golden.
1:52:23
Speaker 5: Save that is now you, know the the overhead shot
1:52:27
Speaker 5: of just how crazy that save was and the desperation
1:52:30
Speaker 5: of getting the stick back behind him to stop that goal.
1:52:33
Speaker 5: THERE i, mean there's been some iconic sports, photographs you,
1:52:38
Speaker 5: know The Muhammad ali standing over the knocked out opponent
1:52:41
Speaker 5: kind of. Thing that's going to go up, there at
1:52:44
Speaker 5: least from the modern, standpoint.
1:52:46
Speaker 7: Along With Jack hughes with the, flag him with his,
1:52:50
Speaker 7: teeth missing, teeth whatever happened, there.
1:52:56
Speaker 3: Pretty cool to, see pretty cool to see that. Moment it,
1:52:58
Speaker 3: was it. Was it was a great.
1:53:00
Speaker 7: Day it's, like for me summing it, up is it
1:53:04
Speaker 7: was a great day to be An.
1:53:05
Speaker 2: American, well and maybe the most patriotic and tear jerking
1:53:10
Speaker 2: moment of the whole thing, was of, course when they
1:53:12
Speaker 2: go to centerized to pose for the team photo and
1:53:17
Speaker 2: a couple of guys skate up into the stands and
1:53:19
Speaker 2: Bring Johnny hockey's, children his three year old daughter's two
1:53:22
Speaker 2: year old, son who happened to be his second, BIRTHDAY i,
1:53:25
Speaker 2: think on the gold medal day and you, know hold
1:53:29
Speaker 2: up the sweater and have those kids in. There it
1:53:32
Speaker 2: it's not something that they have to. Do it's not
1:53:35
Speaker 2: something that it did not seem to come from like
1:53:38
Speaker 2: a a hanger on or some type of Like olympic
1:53:43
Speaker 2: liaison or some marketing. Specialist it was it looked very
1:53:47
Speaker 2: much like that's what the guys felt they needed to
1:53:50
Speaker 2: do to help honor that, family make them feel. Included
1:53:54
Speaker 2: AND i thought it was just one of the coolest
1:53:56
Speaker 2: things that look we deride other pro, athletes probably too
1:54:00
Speaker 2: often more often than we, should but the fact that
1:54:04
Speaker 2: these are professional, athletes these are all star caliber athletes
1:54:08
Speaker 2: whose thoughts after winning the biggest game of their collective
1:54:11
Speaker 2: careers were on a teammate that wasn't there with them
1:54:14
Speaker 2: and how to make it better for him and his.
1:54:16
Speaker 2: FAMILY i thought that was one of the, coolest most,
1:54:19
Speaker 2: patriotic Most olympic things That i've ever seen in my.
1:54:21
Speaker 7: Life it was really really. Nice and that Is jersey
1:54:25
Speaker 7: in the locker, room hung in The. Olympics they did
1:54:28
Speaker 7: it at The World championships last, summer had it at
1:54:31
Speaker 7: The Four nations face, off and oc is his family
1:54:35
Speaker 7: was invited from from the beginning from and they they
1:54:39
Speaker 7: they're they're very, modest you, know kind, people and they
1:54:45
Speaker 7: they they didn't go and then as things started to heat,
1:54:50
Speaker 7: up they they, said we got to be there and
1:54:53
Speaker 7: and they got. There so that was that was great
1:54:57
Speaker 7: and you just you just, can't you, know but ache
1:55:01
Speaker 7: for for their. Family two sons lost on a bike
1:55:06
Speaker 7: ride the weekend before their sister's, wedding going home from
1:55:12
Speaker 7: the rehearsal.
1:55:13
Speaker 3: Dinner. Crazy oh my.
1:55:15
Speaker 7: Goodness so those those guys, loved Loved johnny and his,
1:55:19
Speaker 7: dad you, know typical hockey, dad a coach like they
1:55:23
Speaker 7: they they feel it and and uh it was it
1:55:26
Speaker 7: was really really nice and and you know you saw you,
1:55:30
Speaker 7: know equal respect from The canadians on the ice at
1:55:32
Speaker 7: the same.
1:55:33
Speaker 3: Time, yeah just a cool.
1:55:35
Speaker 5: Thing AND i think for a lot of, us who
1:55:38
Speaker 5: are you, know we've watched hockey for, years but now
1:55:41
Speaker 5: are are actually you, know standing in hockey culture and
1:55:45
Speaker 5: immersing more in hockey. CULTURE i think, it's, uh you,
1:55:48
Speaker 5: know one of those those culture moments that shows you
1:55:52
Speaker 5: For TEAM, usa how much that those guys that they
1:55:54
Speaker 5: all came up together and then they've known each other
1:55:57
Speaker 5: for a lot of them since you, know early adolescents
1:56:00
Speaker 5: or even, sooner how much they mean to each, other
1:56:03
Speaker 5: and how much Representing TEAM usa means to, them and
1:56:06
Speaker 5: then you juxtapose that Against now finish your, celebration you
1:56:13
Speaker 5: sing the anthem in Of miami Night.
1:56:15
Speaker 2: Club you, know go to The White. House now get
1:56:17
Speaker 2: your butt back home and make this final push for
1:56:20
Speaker 2: The Stanley cup.
1:56:21
Speaker 5: Playoffs it is a, tough wild schedule that these guys
1:56:25
Speaker 5: have to.
1:56:25
Speaker 7: Follow it would have been wild, enough but then you
1:56:32
Speaker 7: add the last couple of days to. It right that
1:56:35
Speaker 7: the game Was sunday and you're you're ticketed back to
1:56:38
Speaker 7: get to the THE, usa and then you, know you
1:56:42
Speaker 7: get invited to The White, house right like is is
1:56:47
Speaker 7: is An? American Like Clayton keller said it this, morning
1:56:50
Speaker 7: that's a once in a lifetime.
1:56:53
Speaker 3: Thing and to.
1:56:56
Speaker 7: Be able to go, there those those guys were proud
1:56:59
Speaker 7: to be there and being their their jerseys and they're they're,
1:57:03
Speaker 7: red white and. Blue but, gosh, Yeah clayton got back
1:57:08
Speaker 7: late last, night as Our Governor Ryan smith tweeted outside
1:57:16
Speaker 7: of a private airplane As keller landed back here In.
1:57:20
Speaker 2: Utah all, right so now turning the focus back to
1:57:25
Speaker 2: this final, push this home stretch of the regular, season
1:57:29
Speaker 2: and like you've already pointed, out it's The Colorado avalanche
1:57:32
Speaker 2: right off the, Bat glad you're at, home but that
1:57:36
Speaker 2: is going into The olympic, break they were the best
1:57:39
Speaker 2: team in THE. NHL i don't expect anything to change
1:57:41
Speaker 2: coming out of The olympic, break and a couple of
1:57:44
Speaker 2: their big stars are obviously licking some wounds and probably
1:57:47
Speaker 2: very motivated by the fact that they didn't win a gold.
1:57:50
Speaker 2: Medal But Stanley cup would of course take the sting
1:57:55
Speaker 2: off that for guys like McKinnon and Macar, yeah.
1:57:58
Speaker 7: You get the impression from several years of watching them
1:58:02
Speaker 7: that they don't handle losing, well which for for them
1:58:09
Speaker 7: and for The avs and their, fans that's that's that's
1:58:12
Speaker 7: a good. Thing maybe one of the bigger storylines. Tonight oh,
1:58:16
Speaker 7: see AND i AND i think we're kind of getting
1:58:18
Speaker 7: to this spot where you're, Realizing, okay they're gonna, play
1:58:22
Speaker 7: especially gauging off of what just happened at their morning
1:58:25
Speaker 7: skate at the at The Delta center in terms of
1:58:27
Speaker 7: who was on the ice and amount of players you can,
1:58:30
Speaker 7: dress et. Cetera But Jared, bednar the head coach of THE,
1:58:34
Speaker 7: abs maybe kind of planting the seed On, Sunday not
1:58:39
Speaker 7: not sure of who of their four players who played
1:58:41
Speaker 7: in the gold medal game would be in the lineup.
1:58:43
Speaker 7: Tonight and then we started to, hear you, know at
1:58:48
Speaker 7: practice On sunday that maybe they've they've got it back
1:58:50
Speaker 7: to back and Playing minnesota at home. Tomorrow did those
1:58:53
Speaker 7: four guys do all of them not play? Tonight nathan,
1:58:57
Speaker 7: Mccannon cal, Mccarr Devon tave's And Brock nelson the one
1:59:00
Speaker 7: representative From TEAM, usa and then they're head Coach Jared
1:59:04
Speaker 7: binnard said yesterday those guys will be with us In
1:59:09
Speaker 7: Salt lake for the game which is, tonight and but
1:59:15
Speaker 7: they're traveling, separately which is kind of. Odd they weren't
1:59:18
Speaker 7: at they weren't at the morning skate this. Morning they'll
1:59:22
Speaker 7: be joining the team this, afternoon it sounds. Like but
1:59:27
Speaker 7: based off their their morning skate, numbers looks like at
1:59:29
Speaker 7: least three of those four guys will play in the game. Tonight,
1:59:32
Speaker 7: so you know how hockey, is you keep it close
1:59:36
Speaker 7: to the. Vest game time decisions kind of usually mean
1:59:40
Speaker 7: that they'll. Play so at least three of the, four
1:59:44
Speaker 7: it sounds like from those guys will be in the.
1:59:45
Speaker 7: Lineup not a not a complete a night off for,
1:59:49
Speaker 7: them but they do have a big game tomorrow with
1:59:52
Speaker 7: With minnesota two at, home who's only five points in
1:59:55
Speaker 7: back of them in second place in The.
1:59:57
Speaker 5: Central should we Anticipate Logan cooley having a nearly full shift?
2:00:02
Speaker 7: Tonight head Coach Andre turney after Morning skates, said there's
2:00:07
Speaker 7: lots of game time. Decisions is we've watched practice over
2:00:11
Speaker 7: the last. Week he's been a full, participant him And Alexander.
2:00:17
Speaker 7: Kerfoot so if you gauge, that you see how he's he's,
2:00:24
Speaker 7: looked which has been, great and just just kind of
2:00:27
Speaker 7: how things have transpired in the timetable That Bill armstrong
2:00:31
Speaker 7: has given us as we've gone throughout the process of
2:00:33
Speaker 7: over two and a half months Without Logan, COOLEY i,
2:00:37
Speaker 7: think you, KNOW i think if you've watched him practice and,
2:00:41
Speaker 7: play if if all goes, well no no, setbacks it
2:00:46
Speaker 7: has sounded like he'll he'll be playing. Tonight They'll barry did,
2:00:50
Speaker 7: say some some game time decisions again hockey keeping it
2:00:53
Speaker 7: close to the. Vast but he's looked. Good he's looked,
2:00:55
Speaker 7: uh looks ready to.
2:00:57
Speaker 2: Roll as a general rule of, thumb how how long
2:01:02
Speaker 2: should the reintegration process actually take BEFORE i mean it's mid,
2:01:06
Speaker 2: season but he he's missed a lot of the, season
2:01:09
Speaker 2: so you can't expect him to be in mid season
2:01:11
Speaker 2: form right. Now uh to callous himself back TO nhl,
2:01:15
Speaker 2: hockey how long does that process generally.
2:01:17
Speaker 7: Take the best part about this is he's not just
2:01:20
Speaker 7: getting dropped into the lineup on a Random wednesday When
2:01:24
Speaker 7: utah's in the middle of, it and that's that's a good.
2:01:30
Speaker 7: Thing here is he's been practicing full participation for over a.
2:01:33
Speaker 7: Week the man has started practicing Last tuesday and back
2:01:37
Speaker 7: at it tonight for the first game in three. Weeks
2:01:40
Speaker 7: everybody's playing their first game in three, weeks so it's
2:01:43
Speaker 7: it's gonna take every, team you, know a couple of
2:01:46
Speaker 7: games to get back to. IT i wouldn't say it's
2:01:49
Speaker 7: gonna look like first couple of weeks of the, season
2:01:52
Speaker 7: BUT i think that's good for For Logan cooley to
2:01:55
Speaker 7: to be able to be eased back in the way
2:01:57
Speaker 7: he is with a full week of practice and then
2:02:00
Speaker 7: the team comes back playing for the first. Time so
2:02:03
Speaker 7: that's good coming off of an, injury because we saw
2:02:08
Speaker 7: last year With Sean dursey And John marino when they
2:02:10
Speaker 7: were coming back off of long term injuries and just
2:02:12
Speaker 7: kind of dropped right back into the lineup in the
2:02:14
Speaker 7: middle of.
2:02:14
Speaker 3: It it was an.
2:02:16
Speaker 7: Adjustment they were IN nhl, shape but they weren't in
2:02:19
Speaker 7: mid season, form ready to go condition.
2:02:25
Speaker 2: In terms of guys that didn't maybe miss significant, time
2:02:29
Speaker 2: but we're dealing with bumps and. Bruises that's obviously a
2:02:32
Speaker 2: lot less visible even on an injury report most of the.
2:02:34
Speaker 5: Time who do you think benefited most from The olympic? Break,
2:02:40
Speaker 5: WELL i think all of. THEM i think you're never
2:02:45
Speaker 5: really quite one hundred, percent AND i THINK i think
2:02:49
Speaker 5: all players and all teams are going to be fresh and.
2:02:57
Speaker 5: READY i don't think that when we went into the
2:03:00
Speaker 5: break there was there was anybody really kind of, Like,
2:03:03
Speaker 5: okay just just just get to this so we can you,
2:03:06
Speaker 5: know get get treatment and these two weeks off will be.
2:03:11
Speaker 3: Good.
2:03:12
Speaker 7: Uh maybe your Goaltender caralvamalca might be the freshest coming
2:03:18
Speaker 7: back because played in all those. Games he goes over
2:03:23
Speaker 7: to The, olympics does not, play but he's practicing every
2:03:27
Speaker 7: day and so he's he's he's not coming back after you,
2:03:32
Speaker 7: know being in in the sunshine for a week and
2:03:37
Speaker 7: a half and then just getting back into practice. Shape
2:03:40
Speaker 7: he's been kind of in game, shape just just not.
2:03:43
Speaker 7: Playing So i'd say it's huge for For. Amalka number.
2:03:46
Speaker 7: One the trade deadline is.
2:03:50
Speaker 5: Approaching, here we got what nine days before you got
2:03:53
Speaker 5: to make your trades in THE. Nhl uh any idea
2:03:56
Speaker 5: on whether The mammoth will be, buyers sellers and pat big,
2:04:01
Speaker 5: moves small. Moves what do you expect from him in
2:04:03
Speaker 5: these next seven eight nine?
2:04:05
Speaker 3: Days?
2:04:06
Speaker 7: Yeah so what do we have five games before the,
2:04:09
Speaker 7: deadline three at home and then the team will hit
2:04:13
Speaker 7: the road next week Starting tuesday IN. Dc i'd say
2:04:18
Speaker 7: for the WHOLE, nhl this, is you, know a five
2:04:24
Speaker 7: game stretch over the next nine ten days of making
2:04:30
Speaker 7: your final. Evaluations you had heard before The olympic break
2:04:35
Speaker 7: that baby teams wanted to wait till they got back
2:04:39
Speaker 7: from The olympic break to just to wait and see
2:04:42
Speaker 7: who comes back, healthy who is. Healthy so for The,
2:04:49
Speaker 7: mammoth in terms of what would they add if if
2:04:53
Speaker 7: it's a, rental if it's, SOMEBODY i equate it this.
2:04:59
Speaker 7: Way you drive down the highway and a car passes,
2:05:02
Speaker 7: You you're, LIKE i like that, Car well what's the?
2:05:05
Speaker 3: Cost? OH i can't do that.
2:05:08
Speaker 7: Right if, if, if if a rental a player who's got,
2:05:13
Speaker 7: experience who can help you. Win, now winning the playoffs comes,
2:05:19
Speaker 7: along what's what's the cost of? It For, utah it's
2:05:24
Speaker 7: it's it's all about they're not.
2:05:26
Speaker 3: Going to trade a.
2:05:27
Speaker 7: Prospect they're not going to trade first second round draft,
2:05:31
Speaker 7: pick maybe a. Second they do have a lot of
2:05:34
Speaker 7: seconds in the in the next several, years but but
2:05:39
Speaker 7: it's not going to be anything big in terms of
2:05:44
Speaker 7: parting ways with the with the player he doesn't have.
2:05:46
Speaker 7: Term if it's a guy Like sergachev who Has In sergachev's,
2:05:50
Speaker 7: case he came here with seven years left on a,
2:05:53
Speaker 7: deal And patkas signed a five year. Deal he's got,
2:05:56
Speaker 7: long long, term you'll you'll you'll judge that because it's
2:06:00
Speaker 7: a guy that can be with you next, year a year.
2:06:03
Speaker 7: After you're gonna have. That that's part of your. Core
2:06:06
Speaker 7: SO i think that's that's what it. Is but you,
2:06:09
Speaker 7: know you're you're always looking and AND i don't even
2:06:12
Speaker 7: know for for the, mammoth you can look at a
2:06:16
Speaker 7: couple couple, areas, right maybe you know another another D
2:06:22
Speaker 7: you can never never use enough, defenseman uh third fourth line.
2:06:27
Speaker 7: Player you can never use enough of. Those but if
2:06:31
Speaker 7: it comes along and it's LIKE I i like, it
2:06:34
Speaker 7: maybe you get something that you didn't know you you
2:06:36
Speaker 7: wanted or, needed but the exchange on it is is
2:06:40
Speaker 7: good enough to add a piece to to carry into the.
2:06:43
Speaker 5: Playoffs you mentioned five games before the trade. Deadline the
2:06:48
Speaker 5: next three for The mammoth are at Home, Colorado, Minnesota,
2:06:51
Speaker 5: chicago so all divisional, opponents and.
2:06:54
Speaker 3: Two of those are two of the best teams in THE.
2:06:57
Speaker 2: Nhl what kind of what kind of point results you
2:07:00
Speaker 2: think this team can realistically grab in these next.
2:07:02
Speaker 7: THREE i think if you were making a schedule from
2:07:05
Speaker 7: scratch and you had to, say when are we gonna
2:07:09
Speaker 7: play The Colorado avalanche this? SEASON i think the first
2:07:12
Speaker 7: place you put them is the first game after The olympic.
2:07:15
Speaker 7: Break knowing that you've got eight players coming out of The,
2:07:22
Speaker 7: olympics four of them who played in The Golden Mell,
2:07:24
Speaker 7: GAME i think it's a good time to Play colorado at.
2:07:27
Speaker 7: Home so you got, that you Got minnesota who's coming From.
2:07:32
Speaker 7: Colorado they play there, tomorrow so they're going to be
2:07:34
Speaker 7: on a back to. Back wild have won five in a,
2:07:39
Speaker 7: row so they were good going into the. Break and
2:07:41
Speaker 7: then you Got Chicago sunday at. Two team that's kind
2:07:46
Speaker 7: of dropped out a playoff. Contention you'd like to say
2:07:52
Speaker 7: three and oh, right that give us another nice home.
2:07:56
Speaker 7: Stand you got a four the homestand you got a
2:07:58
Speaker 7: five to zero and one home, stand and you're two
2:08:01
Speaker 7: and one currently on this homestand that they went into
2:08:03
Speaker 7: the break with with three games. Left you, KNOW i,
2:08:07
Speaker 7: Mean I'm i'm. CONSERVATIVE I i don't take. Chances you,
2:08:13
Speaker 7: Know i'm always prepared with an. UMBRELLA i play it
2:08:17
Speaker 7: safe for, me probably like four or five points? Easy
2:08:24
Speaker 7: how how? Vanilla how? Boring is that? Answer but four
2:08:28
Speaker 7: or five points out of? Six if you take two
2:08:32
Speaker 7: out of three in stretches like this throughout the, year
2:08:36
Speaker 7: you're you're in a good. Spot can we go?
2:08:39
Speaker 3: Three and?
2:08:39
Speaker 7: OH i think they can. TOO i think they. COULD
2:08:43
Speaker 7: i WOULDN'T i wouldn't be surprised if The mammoth come
2:08:45
Speaker 7: out Beat. Colorado you Got minnesota on a back to
2:08:48
Speaker 7: back and then you come out On sunday and Pound.
2:08:50
Speaker 2: Chicago SOMETHING i have to say THAT i like about
2:08:54
Speaker 2: uh THE nhl and the fact that the players in
2:08:57
Speaker 2: the last collective bargaining agreement really wanted to make sure
2:09:00
Speaker 2: That olympic participation was a. Thing Miko ranton gets hurt
2:09:05
Speaker 2: And Sidney crosby gets hurt in The, olympics that's something
2:09:09
Speaker 2: that fairly or, Unfairly i'm projecting it onto THE, nba
2:09:14
Speaker 2: And i'm, like, great now they're never going to play
2:09:16
Speaker 2: in The olympics. Again Major League, Baseball oh, GREAT nfl,
2:09:20
Speaker 2: players you get hurt doing something that is not geared
2:09:23
Speaker 2: toward the success of your professional, teams and now everyone's
2:09:26
Speaker 2: gonna panic about. It THE nhl and the fan base
2:09:29
Speaker 2: and the media seems not to be, like, yeah you
2:09:32
Speaker 2: kind of knew what you signed up for a month,
2:09:34
Speaker 2: out at least For Sidney. Crosby it sounds like a
2:09:37
Speaker 2: couple of weeks For. Ranton IN i, mean these are
2:09:39
Speaker 2: teams that have high, hopes they want to do, things
2:09:41
Speaker 2: and players that are obviously stars and reasons people put
2:09:45
Speaker 2: their butts and seats and all that. Stuff but to,
2:09:49
Speaker 2: me and maybe you could correct me for being, wrong
2:09:51
Speaker 2: but it seems like there's no overreaction coming to the
2:09:55
Speaker 2: fact that these injuries were sustained in a tournament that
2:09:57
Speaker 2: is not important necessarily to the NHL's. Business but it's
2:10:01
Speaker 2: absolutely important to its. Players you go over, there you
2:10:05
Speaker 2: know there's gonna be. Injuries you hope it's not any
2:10:09
Speaker 2: a year, guys you hope it's Not stars in the
2:10:14
Speaker 2: league Like Sidney crosby And Mika rantonan And Kevin Fiala
2:10:18
Speaker 2: la have got hurt in the first game For. SWITZERLAND i,
2:10:23
Speaker 2: mean they they knew.
2:10:26
Speaker 7: IT i think one thing about hockey and the players
2:10:31
Speaker 7: is they they they take a lot of pride, in you,
2:10:35
Speaker 7: know building building up the fan base and and putting
2:10:39
Speaker 7: on shows and and ownership gets it and it and
2:10:43
Speaker 7: it benefits the the, teams RIGHT I i would say
2:10:48
Speaker 7: that you'll probably see some some good ratings for SOME
2:10:52
Speaker 7: nhl games ON tv nationally going down the stretch here
2:10:56
Speaker 7: with with the momentum from The. Olympics but but you're,
2:11:01
Speaker 7: right you haven't heard the the. Outcry but guys Like
2:11:08
Speaker 7: Sidney crosby And niko rant and getting hurt For pittsburgh
2:11:12
Speaker 7: there where they are and not where we thought they
2:11:17
Speaker 7: were going to. Be and so now they're without sid
2:11:19
Speaker 7: for four weeks. Here you hope they keep. Winning but
2:11:24
Speaker 7: because because that would be too, bad especially at this
2:11:26
Speaker 7: point in his career for him to have a chance
2:11:28
Speaker 7: to get back in the playoffs and and not be.
2:11:31
Speaker 7: There but BUT i THINK i think the greater. Good,
2:11:34
Speaker 7: uh every everybody sees this as a is a.
2:11:37
Speaker 2: Win what do you think of our idea on how
2:11:42
Speaker 2: to get under the skin Of nathan McKinnon if he
2:11:45
Speaker 2: indeed he plans on playing, tonight where everyone just finds
2:11:48
Speaker 2: the the freeze frame of him missing the open net
2:11:52
Speaker 2: and silently you just put that on your phone and
2:11:55
Speaker 2: you just hold it toward the ice so that he
2:11:57
Speaker 2: he or a teammate has to skate over to the.
2:11:59
Speaker 3: Boards and what is? That, oh what do you? Think
2:12:02
Speaker 3: do you think too much of a low? Blow you
2:12:05
Speaker 3: could do?
2:12:05
Speaker 7: That or everybody could bring in a small stuffed animal
2:12:11
Speaker 7: and just just hold.
2:12:14
Speaker 2: It up the consolation stuffed. Animal first of, all we
2:12:19
Speaker 2: were talking about the. Software it is the wrong. Size,
2:12:22
Speaker 2: okay if we're talking about you're giving somebody a stuffy
2:12:27
Speaker 2: it has to be at least bigger than your. Hand
2:12:31
Speaker 2: if it's something that fits like comfortably in your, hand
2:12:35
Speaker 2: that's too small for a stuffed. Animal there's all these
2:12:37
Speaker 2: comical mimified photos of well McKinnon, specifically but other players
2:12:43
Speaker 2: and other athletes being handed these like beanie baby sized
2:12:46
Speaker 2: stuffed animals at The Milani olympics and you're, said what is,
2:12:50
Speaker 2: This come, On Olympic, committee you can't go with like
2:12:54
Speaker 2: the twelve inch what are we doing?
2:12:56
Speaker 7: Here it reminded me of WHEN i was a kid
2:12:59
Speaker 7: and we were on vacation and we would each be
2:13:04
Speaker 7: able to pick out something from the gift shop to
2:13:09
Speaker 7: take home as a, souvenir and we would only have
2:13:16
Speaker 7: enough money for the, smallest most underwhelming item in the,
2:13:23
Speaker 7: shop and we were going to either get that or
2:13:26
Speaker 7: go home with, nothing.
2:13:30
Speaker 3: So we'd get. It, yeah it sounds like.
2:13:32
Speaker 2: Now the bargain hunter in me was born at zoo
2:13:37
Speaker 2: gift shops WHEN i was a very small. Child, okay
2:13:40
Speaker 2: The Minnesota zoo The Como Parks zoo were both favorites
2:13:43
Speaker 2: of mine WHEN i was like, six, Right and same.
2:13:47
Speaker 2: Thing it's, like all, right begrudgingly if you want to
2:13:50
Speaker 2: pick something, out it's in like the two dollars shelf. Category,
2:13:54
Speaker 2: Right but back in those, days you know the like
2:13:57
Speaker 2: the little squeezy. Stick it has like the trigger on
2:13:59
Speaker 2: the bar and then there's a stick and there's an
2:14:01
Speaker 2: animal at the top that's mouth.
2:14:03
Speaker 5: Opens those were actually. Cheap, yeah SO i got a
2:14:06
Speaker 5: bunch of. Those that was my go.
2:14:08
Speaker 7: To, yeah you just go straight to the cash register
2:14:11
Speaker 7: and you see that the bargains in the little, cups
2:14:13
Speaker 7: and it's.
2:14:14
Speaker 2: LIKE i want, THAT i want THE i want the
2:14:17
Speaker 2: lion that opens and closes its. Mouth and invariably the
2:14:22
Speaker 2: the little string or the plastic membrane that actually pulls
2:14:26
Speaker 2: the mechanism breaks after like three days or whatever because
2:14:30
Speaker 2: it's made of wet toilet paper or. SOMETHING i don't
2:14:33
Speaker 2: know why they can't just manufacture that with some fishing
2:14:36
Speaker 2: line for us little.
2:14:37
Speaker 3: Kids but, man love those things back in the.
2:14:40
Speaker 2: Day don't go with the smallest stuffy. Ever let this
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2:14:55
Speaker 7: Time there's stuff that happens and it's it's just not
2:15:00
Speaker 7: a good. Time could those not have been the welcome?
2:15:05
Speaker 7: Gift could those not have been in the gift bag
2:15:09
Speaker 7: you get when you check in to The Olympic?
2:15:12
Speaker 3: Villa did those come in? Late? Yeah well they shipped
2:15:16
Speaker 3: in late From taiwan or what happened? Here?
2:15:18
Speaker 7: Also did they have extras like just trying to get
2:15:21
Speaker 7: rid of?
2:15:21
Speaker 2: Them who decided that the sequence of when you would
2:15:24
Speaker 2: actually be handing them to the athletes was metal first
2:15:28
Speaker 2: and then the stuffed?
2:15:30
Speaker 3: Animal like the stuffed animal was the grand.
2:15:33
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2:15:36
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2:15:40
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2:15:42
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2:15:46
Speaker 2: sorry here's your silver. Medal but then to be the
2:15:49
Speaker 2: next guy who goes through the line with a bin
2:15:51
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2:15:54
Speaker 5: Handshake here's this. Handshake all the players are, like what
2:15:57
Speaker 5: get get away from?
2:15:59
Speaker 7: Me maybe a bin as they exited the rink with
2:16:04
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2:16:08
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2:16:11
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2:16:21
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2:16:23
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2:16:26
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2:16:29
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2:16:32
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2:16:35
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2:16:38
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2:16:42
Speaker 5: has schwag bags we don't ever get to see as the,
2:16:44
Speaker 5: fans SO i need that answer From Clayton. Keller aside
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2:18:06
Speaker 2: espn and on THE espn website right. Now you, know
2:18:09
Speaker 2: you don't always See Kobe. Bryant he's unfortunately been deceased
2:18:14
Speaker 2: for a while, now and he's not a member of
2:18:17
Speaker 2: AN nba roster at this.
2:18:18
Speaker 3: Time he's not in the front office.
2:18:19
Speaker 5: Anywhere but there's some front page stuff about the The
2:18:24
Speaker 5: nike story About Kobe bryant and The Black mamba mentality
2:18:29
Speaker 5: and the branding and the stuff that they decided to
2:18:32
Speaker 5: use as kind of Their Kobe bryant marketing.
2:18:37
Speaker 3: Campaign AND i JUST i love stuff like.
2:18:41
Speaker 5: THAT i like The Matt damon, movie The Ben Affleck
2:18:44
Speaker 5: Matt damon movie they did on the The nike, air
2:18:49
Speaker 5: The Michael, jordan you, know kind of Saving nike or
2:18:51
Speaker 5: at least Putting nike on a new, map and the
2:18:55
Speaker 5: fact that they didn't Have Michael jordan or even Show
2:18:59
Speaker 5: Michael jordan in that and it still ended up being
2:19:01
Speaker 5: a really, interesting interesting, move interesting. MOVIE i was a
2:19:07
Speaker 5: big fan of.
2:19:07
Speaker 2: That but you, know as there's college basketball stories right,
2:19:14
Speaker 2: now obviously hockey with the trade deadline coming up and
2:19:17
Speaker 2: back in, action And i'm SURE espn has some other
2:19:20
Speaker 2: motive as, to you, know why they're doing it right,
2:19:22
Speaker 2: now but some really interesting stuff about you, know like
2:19:25
Speaker 2: how you come up with.
2:19:28
Speaker 3: Black, mamba and the long and short of it, is.
2:19:37
Speaker 2: There was some braided sleeping on the shoe and he, said,
2:19:41
Speaker 2: oh that looks like a. SNAKE A nike executive, said
2:19:44
Speaker 2: that looks like a, snake and that looks like a black,
2:19:49
Speaker 2: snake and, okay now we're gonna do. This we're gonna
2:19:52
Speaker 2: Do Black. Mamba and the idea that that.
2:19:58
Speaker 5: Like the chicken or the egg of, like, well Did
2:20:02
Speaker 5: Kobe bryant decide that he was the Black mamba and
2:20:04
Speaker 5: now you're gonna build A nike brand around, him or
2:20:06
Speaker 5: Did nike, decide, Oh i'm the black mom or you're
2:20:09
Speaker 5: the black.
2:20:10
Speaker 3: Mom but and this is the Black mamba.
2:20:11
Speaker 2: Shoe AND i, Honestly i'm not the biggest Like Kobe
2:20:17
Speaker 2: loris or insider out. THERE i didn't know That Black
2:20:21
Speaker 2: mamba came from a shoe, design like a braided nylon backing.
2:20:27
Speaker 1: On a.
2:20:28
Speaker 2: SHOE i don't know that was the origin of something
2:20:33
Speaker 2: that ended up being synonymous with one of the best
2:20:35
Speaker 2: players in the history of the, game Like Michael jordan's
2:20:40
Speaker 2: Nickname air And Air jordan obviously was something that tied
2:20:46
Speaker 2: in very closely With. NIKE i was not aware that
2:20:49
Speaker 2: the same thing was true Of Kobe bryant's and His
2:20:52
Speaker 2: Black mamba.
2:20:53
Speaker 5: Branding, YEAH i. Had ACTUALLY i remember it being. DIFFERENTLY
2:20:58
Speaker 5: i haven't heard this part of the story. BEFORE i
2:21:02
Speaker 5: remember it, Differently like he started calling himself The Black,
2:21:06
Speaker 5: Mama but maybe that was just a totally miss total.
2:21:08
Speaker 5: Misnomer maybe he started calling himself The Black mama Because nike,
2:21:13
Speaker 5: said we think we think we could call this The
2:21:16
Speaker 5: Black mama.
2:21:17
Speaker 3: SHOE i don't. Know AND I.
2:21:20
Speaker 5: AIR i always Thought air came before The jordan brand,
2:21:25
Speaker 5: came but maybe that came because Of nike.
2:21:27
Speaker 3: TOO i don't. Know, WELL i think.
2:21:28
Speaker 2: IT i Think Air jordan was something that got strengthened
2:21:33
Speaker 2: by The Nike air souls and things like, that and
2:21:38
Speaker 2: so again they became so you couldn't Extricate Michael jordan
2:21:42
Speaker 2: From nike and from The jordan. BRAND i mean still
2:21:46
Speaker 2: now you, can't, Right but even during his playing, career
2:21:50
Speaker 2: it was a thing that if you were, said, okay
2:21:53
Speaker 2: chicken her, egg what came? First nike And Michael jordan
2:21:57
Speaker 2: Or air And? Jordan like who gave him that? Nickname
2:21:59
Speaker 2: where that name come? From unless you Knew Michael jordan
2:22:02
Speaker 2: when he was in high, school you probably have no
2:22:04
Speaker 2: idea Whether nike gave it to him or he gave
2:22:07
Speaker 2: it To. Nike, Right and in The Kobe bryant, CASE i,
2:22:10
Speaker 2: mean it's a really interesting. Story they're talking about how
2:22:14
Speaker 2: they were trying to use this, material this tech flex,
2:22:17
Speaker 2: material to make a basketball shoe with no laces on,
2:22:20
Speaker 2: it and that this braided nylon material that.
2:22:23
Speaker 5: You see on airplanes was something that you, know excuse,
2:22:29
Speaker 5: me that is like a liner for hoses and things like.
2:22:32
Speaker 5: That they they tried to put it on a shoe
2:22:36
Speaker 5: and the the executive was, like, well that looks like snake.
2:22:40
Speaker 3: Skin that looks like a.
2:22:41
Speaker 2: Snake and he goes home and it's, Like, okay what's
2:22:44
Speaker 2: a cool looking black?
2:22:45
Speaker 5: Snake, oh black, Mamba and that's where it, started according To.
2:22:49
Speaker 2: Nike at least Now kobe And kobe's estate And kobe's
2:22:52
Speaker 2: friends might be, like, no, no, no, no we were calling
2:22:54
Speaker 2: him mamba mentality in Black mamba long.
2:22:57
Speaker 5: Before but the fact that now you, know it's intertwined so.
2:23:03
Speaker 5: Aggressively one that they're showing ON nba today ON, espn
2:23:10
Speaker 5: they're showing the original shoe was meant for the brand
2:23:14
Speaker 5: was meant For Michael. Jordan, initially they're showing the shoe
2:23:18
Speaker 5: with that same material you're talking, about with the number
2:23:21
Speaker 5: twenty three at the top on the tongue of the,
2:23:24
Speaker 5: shoe and so they were trying to Brand Michael.
2:23:29
Speaker 3: Jordan at the end The Black. Mom they pitched Black
2:23:33
Speaker 3: mom but To Michael.
2:23:34
Speaker 5: Jordan and he must Have i'll have to read you're
2:23:36
Speaker 5: probably reading the story. Now he must have, said, No
2:23:39
Speaker 5: i'm not into that or. Something and then they were, like,
2:23:41
Speaker 5: well let's let's Present kobe with. This let's present this To.
2:23:45
Speaker 5: Kobe how fascinating is that at first present this to
2:23:52
Speaker 5: the guy who wants to be, like who wants to
2:23:55
Speaker 5: trick us into thinking He's Michael.
2:23:56
Speaker 3: Jordan he'll love. It oh, man what a cool what
2:24:01
Speaker 3: a cool.
2:24:01
Speaker 5: Thing go check it, out OR i guess turn on
2:24:03
Speaker 5: your television if you want to hear the full.
2:24:05
Speaker 3: Story but it's also AT.
2:24:06
Speaker 5: Espn Kobe bryant and The Secret history of The Black
2:24:11
Speaker 5: mamba is the name of the story ON espn dot.
2:24:13
Speaker 5: Com Baxter, holmes the. Author that's that's cool. STORY I
2:24:20
Speaker 5: and it changes my opinion of the. NICKNAME i didn't
2:24:24
Speaker 5: like it very much because number, ONE i never Liked.
2:24:28
Speaker 5: Kobe number, TWO i thought he gave it to, himself
2:24:33
Speaker 5: AND i, thought that's, lame you're giving yourself a nickname like.
2:24:37
Speaker 5: That but, uh Maybe nike gave it to, Him SO
2:24:40
Speaker 5: i Don't that changes HOW i feel. Well and now
2:24:44
Speaker 5: it's actually more Like Michael jordan Gave Kobe bryant that
2:24:47
Speaker 5: nickname because they were, like, hey we want you to
2:24:50
Speaker 5: market The Black mamber, shoe and he deferred yeah and
2:24:54
Speaker 5: passed it off To.
2:24:55
Speaker 3: Coche that's a.
2:24:56
Speaker 5: Way better origin story for a nickname than just one
2:24:59
Speaker 5: day he's, Like i'm The Black.
2:25:01
Speaker 3: Mamba everybody call me.
2:25:02
Speaker 2: That also in the, article SOMETHING i did not, know you,
2:25:06
Speaker 2: know it's illegal to have a black mamba in The United.
2:25:08
Speaker 3: States you can't bring him into the.
2:25:10
Speaker 5: Country Did kobe have trouble in customs.
2:25:18
Speaker 2: Coming back through the? Airport, sorry, sir you're a black.
2:25:21
Speaker 2: One you're too. Dangerous we can't have you in The United.
2:25:24
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Speaker 10: dollars off of. It so he Negotiating michael's deal With.
2:28:01
Speaker 10: Nike and at the, time you, Know michael wasn't Necessarily michael.
2:28:07
Speaker 10: Yet but what he was known for was as a
2:28:12
Speaker 10: as a player Of carolina and his rookie season a high.
2:28:15
Speaker 10: Flyer he had Not now he Was rookie of The,
2:28:18
Speaker 10: year believe, me he was awesome right, away but he
2:28:19
Speaker 10: had not developed into like the greatest.
2:28:21
Speaker 3: Of all time.
2:28:22
Speaker 10: Yet, sure but he was in The Dunk contest his rookie,
2:28:25
Speaker 10: year didn't win. It but had a bunch of amazing
2:28:29
Speaker 10: dunks where he just was clearly jumping higher than everybody.
2:28:32
Speaker 10: Else And nike at the time was developing this air
2:28:35
Speaker 10: soul for the basketball shoot they were coming out. With
2:28:37
Speaker 10: So falk is negotiating the, deal and his claim is
2:28:42
Speaker 10: he came up with the term Air jordan because it
2:28:44
Speaker 10: made sense Because mike could jump and they were coming
2:28:46
Speaker 10: up with the air soul for the.
2:28:46
Speaker 3: Sneaker so that's The Jordan Air jordan origin.
2:28:50
Speaker 10: Story The kobe Black mamba story has always been he
2:28:55
Speaker 10: started calling himself Black. Mamba, yeah and that's why so
2:28:58
Speaker 10: many people were turned, off including My by the, way
2:29:00
Speaker 10: it's Very costanza, ish call me T, Bone, like, no
2:29:03
Speaker 10: you Are coco The. Monkey you cannot come up with
2:29:06
Speaker 10: self proclaimed nicknames are simply not. Allowed, yeah and it
2:29:10
Speaker 10: really look this is a weird deal because he has passed,
2:29:14
Speaker 10: away so rest in. Peace i'm not speaking illy of
2:29:17
Speaker 10: poorly of the, deceased BUT i think a lot of
2:29:20
Speaker 10: people forget how off Putting kobe could be at times
2:29:24
Speaker 10: as a person and as a.
2:29:26
Speaker 3: Player he was very you, know self.
2:29:28
Speaker 10: Absorbed so the narrative of him nicknaming himself Black mamba.
2:29:33
Speaker 3: Will it, perfectly, yeah you, know.
2:29:35
Speaker 10: And then look, tragic horrible his daughter like all that
2:29:38
Speaker 10: stuff is so. Sad and then when people pass, away we,
2:29:42
Speaker 10: LIKE i wish we would treat people who are living
2:29:45
Speaker 10: the way we treat people who have. Passed, right we
2:29:47
Speaker 10: wait till people died to look at the best of.
2:29:49
Speaker 3: Them there were a lot of people who didn't Like
2:29:51
Speaker 3: kobe for a long long. Time, well the nickname story
2:29:54
Speaker 3: is ON.
2:29:55
Speaker 2: Espn the funniest thing about it for me is That Michael.
2:29:58
Speaker 2: Jordan they were, like, oh you can't have anything associated with,
2:30:02
Speaker 2: snakes And Michael, jordan he's got a phobia of. Snakes,
2:30:06
Speaker 2: yeah and he's going to turn down anything snake. Related
2:30:09
Speaker 2: and Apparently Michael jordan didn't want people to know that
2:30:12
Speaker 2: he was scared of, snakes which makes sense because then
2:30:14
Speaker 2: people would be like bringing rubber snakes to games and
2:30:17
Speaker 2: all that kind of.
2:30:17
Speaker 3: Stuff, right what is.
2:30:19
Speaker 5: The phobia that you have that you could not have
2:30:24
Speaker 5: that be part of your spence check its.
2:30:26
Speaker 3: Brand oh.
2:30:30
Speaker 10: That's a really good. QUESTION i, MEAN i don't love.
2:30:33
Speaker 10: SNAKES i wouldn't call that a.
2:30:35
Speaker 5: Phobia are you claustrophobic enough that if we made you
2:30:38
Speaker 5: do this this show from inside of a.
2:30:40
Speaker 10: Coffin you couldn't handle. It, WELL i wouldn't want to do.
2:30:43
Speaker 10: THAT i don't know anybody who. Would oh, MAN i wouldn't.
2:30:49
Speaker 10: Say i'm like overly, claustrophobic BUT i don't love. It,
2:30:52
Speaker 10: YEAH i actually discovered that maybe As i'm, Aging i'm more.
2:30:57
Speaker 3: So.
2:30:58
Speaker 10: SO i was on a family baker last year and
2:31:03
Speaker 10: it was. International we were In. London you remember WHEN
2:31:05
Speaker 10: i was over. There, WELL i, MEAN i, look calm,
2:31:08
Speaker 10: Down delta one first class To saudi or wherever the
2:31:11
Speaker 10: hell else you want to.
2:31:12
Speaker 3: Go SO i.
2:31:13
Speaker 10: DON'T i don't sleep on. PLANES i WISH i. Did
2:31:17
Speaker 10: and this was an all night. Situation SO i was
2:31:20
Speaker 10: running off no sleep and my, brothers who just need
2:31:23
Speaker 10: to calm, Down like you can have a relaxing hour
2:31:25
Speaker 10: of your. Life you don't need to be doing something
2:31:27
Speaker 10: at all, times run into the hotel room that wake
2:31:29
Speaker 10: me up at seven, am, like, hey we're driving across
2:31:32
Speaker 10: the countryside to go drive these like race, cars, okay
2:31:36
Speaker 10: and we got to leave right.
2:31:37
Speaker 3: Now i'm running on no.
2:31:38
Speaker 10: SLEEP i get stuffed in the back of a three
2:31:40
Speaker 10: passenger van AND i am like scrunched to the side
2:31:45
Speaker 10: AND i start to panic in a way THAT i
2:31:47
Speaker 10: never have in my life because we have an hour,
2:31:49
Speaker 10: Drive we're driving on the wrong side of the, road
2:31:51
Speaker 10: i haven't slept in a day and a, half And
2:31:52
Speaker 10: i'm going to drive race.
2:31:53
Speaker 3: Cars SO i.
2:31:54
Speaker 10: Start to like have a little bit of a panic.
2:31:56
Speaker 10: Thing And i've never had that. Before so there was
2:31:58
Speaker 10: a confluence of. Events but Maybe i'm now claustrophobic Because
2:32:02
Speaker 10: i'm AGING i never have been prior to probably.
2:32:04
Speaker 3: The lack of.
2:32:04
Speaker 5: Sleep that sleep deprivation turns anyone into a nightmare, dude for.
2:32:09
Speaker 10: Sure but as far as a phobia, Goes i'd have
2:32:13
Speaker 10: to think about.
2:32:14
Speaker 3: That don't love, alligators but does anyone out? There I'M
2:32:19
Speaker 3: i have no fear of alligators at.
2:32:21
Speaker 1: ALL i don't.
2:32:21
Speaker 10: KNOW i feel Like i've always heard these stories growing,
2:32:23
Speaker 10: up like they're going to grab you and roll, you
2:32:25
Speaker 10: and that sounds like a horrible way to. Go i'd
2:32:28
Speaker 10: have to think about a. Fog i'm not really scared of.
2:32:29
Speaker 10: Heights i've never gone, skydiving BUT i. Would do you
2:32:33
Speaker 10: have one? Needles it's it's hypodermic.
2:32:35
Speaker 5: Needles oh, Interesting, Yeah, Okay i'm, very very very bothered by.
2:32:41
Speaker 3: INJECTIONS i had.
2:32:42
Speaker 10: A a tepid health scare in my early, twenties namely
2:32:47
Speaker 10: a brain.
2:32:47
Speaker 3: Tumor they're supposed to kill.
2:32:48
Speaker 10: Me and so whether you like it or, not in that,
2:32:52
Speaker 10: scenario you get to know needles really getting poked in.
2:32:54
Speaker 10: Products oh my. Gosh and it was like a really
2:32:56
Speaker 10: rare situation. Too SO i was just like this case
2:32:59
Speaker 10: study for people up. There oh, yeah like needles all.
2:33:03
Speaker 10: DAY i used to hate swallowing. Pills how to take
2:33:07
Speaker 10: like forty pills every three, hours so you get over
2:33:10
Speaker 10: stuff pretty quickly if it's in the name of you,
2:33:12
Speaker 10: know not dying of.
2:33:13
Speaker 5: Survival, yeah, YEAH i suppose in that CASE i would
2:33:16
Speaker 5: have to confront my. Fears but right, now like, needles
2:33:20
Speaker 5: go get a, vaccine go draw.
2:33:22
Speaker 3: Blood it is.
2:33:24
Speaker 5: Something it's the only thing that makes me not able
2:33:29
Speaker 5: to like live in the. Moment IF i had to
2:33:31
Speaker 5: go give blood after the show, TODAY i would be
2:33:35
Speaker 5: bothered the whole day about.
2:33:36
Speaker 10: It, well you know what they, say the cave that
2:33:39
Speaker 10: you fear to enter holds the secrets that you, Seek
2:33:42
Speaker 10: so you need you need to lean in.
2:33:43
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Speaker 3: the cave of.
2:33:47
Speaker 5: WONDERS i just came up with That Star wars When
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Speaker 5: luke is On dagoba And yoda's, LIKE i.
2:33:53
Speaker 3: Don't know what any of that. Means, OH i know
2:33:55
Speaker 3: Who luke, IS i know Who yoda.
2:33:56
Speaker 10: Is, no but what this means is you got To
2:33:58
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Speaker 10: develop a Horrible heroin.
2:34:03
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2:34:08
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Speaker 10: but we all can agree that nobody should do.
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