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Is industry heading in the right direction? · Open Comms Radio | A Star Citizen call-in show

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  You also have to keep in mind that a lot of the systems that
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  we deal with now are alpha. We we don't have UEC, we have
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  alpha. Gee whiz, I I didn't know,
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  forgot all about that. Well.
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  Let, let, let me finish. You mean to tell me this?
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  Game. There's Alpha.
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  Open Comms Radio your Star Citizen call in show best Star
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  Citizen call in show Wednesday nights, 9:00 PM in the verse.
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  I'm I'm throwing my hands up right now.
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  I'm raising the roof and and you can join me here because it's an
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  exciting day. No, not only because it is a
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  Wednesday, not only because there was a patch release today,
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  not only because we got ships today.
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  Well, I guess I guess those are really all the reasons.
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  But also I'm joined tonight by my my Co host, my good friend
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  and friend of your mother's Duke later the second.
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  How you doing? Glad to be here.
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  Duke Well, glad to have you here.
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  Glad to have you here, Duke. A lot going on today.
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  In the. In the verse, I know you've been
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  you. We popped on here and before we
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  even started, we do like a little it's not a debrief.
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  It's it's a pre brief. We do a little pre brief Duke
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  and you told me. I usually had before the pre
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  brief. Yeah, I, I, yeah, they got me.
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  CIG got me. Damn, yeah.
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  Was it the whole B? It was the Hull Bee.
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  Do it. It was what did.
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  You do, it was just buy a whole new one.
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  Did you upgrade to it? I just upgraded, only cost me 10
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  bucks, $10. That's how they get you.
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  Yeah, I, I just, I was like, yeah, yeah, I've been looking
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  for a while to upgrade from the the Starlands or Max because it
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  just wasn't doing it for me. I I've been pretty disappointed
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  with that one since it came out. So I said why not?
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  I just really liked the look of the Hull Bee.
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  I know that's a silly reason, but I think I I like the
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  silhouette. It was cool.
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  I'm like, yeah, I'll go do that. I love the look of the whole
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  bee. I love the cockpit.
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  I think it's it's gorgeous. I like the way they stack the
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  the cargo on it. Yeah, yeah, the cargo I, I do
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  like it's, it just makes sense. Like you can access all of it
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  pretty easily from the ground. Yeah, yeah, it'd be cool if that
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  thing spun around. It, I was shocked that it didn't
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  'cause you know, they showed the spinning thing and I'm like oh
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  that, that'd be cool. But I'll say that the way it's
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  configured it doesn't really need to spin.
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  I'll probably just make it needlessly complicated, which
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  it's already pretty complicated. It's it's a pretty ship.
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  I'm disappointed I don't have the the first light livery which
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  I can't. I thought that was going to be
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  available. I've seen some like streamers
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  using it. That's the one that's like the
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  yellow and black, like a bee. But it's not, not for everybody.
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  I don't know. No, no, I mean, not everything's
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  going to be for everybody. There's been nothing for me two
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  years now. Yeah, well.
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  It's been sad to be Jar Jar Jabroni.
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  Yeah, but that's sad. Why nothing for you?
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  That's I wake up every morning and that's.
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  Have a mantra. I say to myself why nothing for
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  jar jar. Why nothing for jar jar I don't
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  know man. Why nothing for jar jar and then
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  I just I continue with my day and I do the best I can, yeah.
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  That's all you can do. Just like CAG, I'm, I'm doing
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  the best I can. Maybe not this week.
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  We're we're going to this week's episode is all about industry.
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  Yeah, industrial game is industry heading in the right
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  direction. No.
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  Oh, end of show. Yeah, yeah.
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  No, I get it. I'm with you.
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  Give me, give me one. Give me one.
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  Quick one, Duke. A quick one as a, you know, a
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  busy space dad, I don't get into the game that much, but I've
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  been trying and I still haven't even crafted anything, not a
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  single thing. And it's just because it's, it's
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  the quality thing and it's the scanning and, you know,
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  obviously I, I could just try harder to just get garbage and
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  just make something for the sake of making it.
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  But when you know that there are better options and all you have
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  to do is find the right rock. It's a lot of time.
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  And I, I, I feel like there's now a huge grind, you know, cost
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  of entry for the crafting that is going to keep a lot of people
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  out. I'm, I'm a seasoned Star
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  Citizen. I know my way around most things
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  and I still just haven't even crafted anything because it's
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  just a slog. So that's that's my quick input.
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  Yeah, I feel like we're going to do really, really big deep dives
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  into this crafting because we talked last week and we're like,
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  we just need to do a whole episode on it and this may maybe
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  that episode and. Hope, hopefully we'll get some
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  people in here more qualified than Uri, which you know, if we
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  get anyone in here, they'll, they'll be more qualified than
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  Uri and they can really give us the the inside scoop on this
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  stuff. Oh yeah, you like being beat
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  down, don't you, Duke? I I love it.
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  I love it. You like a tall woman?
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  Yeah, yeah. Beacon is someone who likes tall
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  women. We have a first time caller
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  here. Oh yeah.
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  We're going to bring up this guy.
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  Do anything you want to say before we bring this guy up.
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  No, I'll. I'll let it speak for itself.
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  All right, our first time caller is Blay.
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  Blay, welcome to Open Comms Radio, your Star Citizen call
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  and show. This week's question Is industry
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  heading in the right direction? You know, first of all, let me
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  just say, you know, that scene from The Lord of the Rings were
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  like Gandalf. He died.
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  Everybody thinks he died fighting the ball rock.
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  And then he shows up and he's all white and everybody looks at
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  him and goes Gandalf. And then he looks at them
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  confused. And then he says, Gandalf, yes,
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  I was called that once when I heard you Call My Name, Blay.
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  It was like it was like that. And I want to tell you how deep
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  this rabbit hole goes because I don't know if listeners know
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  this, but Jar Jar Jabroni is a very influential individual.
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  He carries a lot of what some might call chutzpah, what some
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  might others might, might refer to as gravitas, if you will.
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  And he, yeah, yeah, yeah. He fills a room and well, he
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  pulled out that Sicilian charm this morning and he said, Blay,
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  if if you don't come on my show, I will probably call one of my
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  relatives to hunt you down and break your legs.
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  And I said, OK, well, can you do me any better than that?
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  And he said, all right, Blay, I've got a task for you.
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  So I went out and I did that task.
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  And I've come to this, I've come to this, I've come to this, to
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  this show enlightened. And I and I just want to say,
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  first of all, I'm not a, you know, those who know me, I'm not
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  a big industry player. Haven't haven't been around that
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  long. And while I, while I was living,
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  laying on my bed after doing what Jar Jar told me to, it was
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  somewhere in between my third or fourth past life and becoming
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  the universe itself where I was God, that I realized if I was
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  God, why, Why would I create a, a, a, a 1000 different
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  qualities, 1000. And what I would do is I would
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  say, OK, people, I'm gonna scatter the universe with 1000
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  different qualities of things. And you go and you find them.
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  But here's the kicker. Your inventory.
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  Yeah, I changed it. Yeah, I made it better, says the
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  universe. But what I did was I give you an
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  individual stack for every one of those thousand qualities so
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  that you can sit there and weep tears and gnash your teeth as
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  Murphy Jack says. No, Blay, it needs to be 750,
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  not 749, not 7. No, you'll sell for 7:51.
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  No, I gotta say like honestly that like this, this path move
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  that they're taking with industry, I really did.
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  They really hoodwinked me, I have to say.
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  And the first thing was, is I was the one of those fools that
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  thought when they released a $350.00 ship that they might
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  have done a little bit of QA. So I picked up a moth.
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  Choke's on me when the moth came out, but that really beautiful
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  paperweight didn't last like that for too long before they
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  actually kind of got to it. But then I get out there with
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  this new crafting system and I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna go munch
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  some ships and do some stuff. And I collect all this RMC and
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  stuff. I get back, I look at the
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  fabricator. Not a single recipe, not one
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  needs my materials. So then I went out and I
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  gathered a bunch of fame Malin in my Geo scads of it.
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  I get back, I open up the fabricator.
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  I'm like, I got 900 qualities. Nothing means fame Malin.
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  Nothing. Now is the joke on me?
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  Is it a skill issue like Duke maybe?
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  How? Many blueprints do you have.
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  Look, we don't need to whip it out in front of everybody
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  publicly, OK? I'm just, I'm just trying to
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  gather if is it because you have only like a dozen blueprints
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  maybe? Are you saying I'm bitter
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  because I have like no blueprints?
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  Maybe, maybe. Maybe because I can't make
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  blueprints because I'm flying around?
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  God damn knows Who knows where to look for 750 plus ice.
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  No, we were meant. For more.
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  Than this jar jar we were we were born and meant for greater.
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  I saw those greater things about 15 minutes ago and it isn't
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  scrolling through an inventory of page after page after page.
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  Just going to say that and then thanks for coming to my Ted.
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  Talk. I appreciate it.
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  Wow, wow. And I'm going to answer applaud
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  here. That that is what I'm hearing.
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  I'm I'm hearing the inventory is what Like even worse than just
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  the hunting for the shit is the fact that now you end up with
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  literally hundreds of just boxes of different quality shit in
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  your inventory. Even worse, if you're trying to
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  be an org and like keeping things with it within one
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  inventory, it's a nightmare. Well, 100% and, and you know,
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  you brought up the scanning issue and I would say that like
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  on the one hand, with the advent of radar and, and scanning that
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  it's been for me. I've, you know, I've seen people
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  say like, oh, you know, if you get it down to 2°, you can scan
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  something at like, you know, 70 plus clicks away, whatever.
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  I, I've been able to scan things at like 30 kilometers away at
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  like, you know, whatever, but it didn't tell me the quality until
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  I got to the stupid thing, you know, so you get excited.
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  Oh, a fest tonight. Yeah, let's do it.
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  So you'll still fly the 40 clicks to the site to just get
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  thrown a wet towel by CIG and you move on to the next
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  disappointment. So it if Chris Roberts, if his
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  goal wasn't to disappoint you, what's the what's maybe the low
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  hanging fruit change he can make to this right now?
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  Have like 3 qualities. Get rid of quality.
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  OK, so here's the thing. And, and I know, I know that
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  there are folks listening to this right now that have very
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  strong opinions about what should be done.
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  So I will just put mine out there and then I will let
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  probably someone who identifies as a long time listener, a long
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  time, you know, first time caller type individual.
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  But I think that they just need to simplify it.
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  And, and I agree with things that have been said before
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  around like it should be, it should be applied at the
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  refining process in my opinion, and somewhere tied into skill as
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  well, much less just, you know, praying to R and Jesus to get
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  you the the sweet thing that you need.
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  You need to like be able to go out there.
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  And I agree with Duke, You go out there, you collect the
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  stuff, you know, the dopamine hit is from the score of the
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  rarity of the material you found.
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  And then, you know, apply some gameplay, some, some even some
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  mini game and, and get that quality to where it needs to be.
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  That's, that's honestly what I mean.
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  You know, they separate the, the, the materials by quality
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  throughout the, the thing you're mining.
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  I don't know why they don't just have like a, a pure mixed and
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  something else. And you know, when you refine
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  it, you've got to pull out all the junk that isn't what you
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  want and that reduces your yield maybe, but you still get like a
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  good quality. I don't know, but they've got to
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  do something different. The inventory is definitely
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  their biggest issue. All right, I got to say I I
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  agree with everything you say, Blay.
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  I don't want to, you know. Yeah, I know.
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  But there are some people in the world who may or may not
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  disagree with us. And we actually have another
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  first time caller, so who knows? Who knows how how this is going
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  to go. But I don't know if you know
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  this about the show, but you can stay here on the couch if you'd
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  like. Yeah.
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  Oh. Definitely, definitely leave
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  everybody. Few minutes here, so you can
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  just scoot on down there and we're going to bring up our next
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  caller, Duke, who we have next in line.
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  Miatak. Miatak, Miatak, first time
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  caller. Miatak, welcome to Open Comms
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  Radio, your Star Citizen call and show.
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  This week's question is industry heading in the right direction,
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  Someone who's done industry since it became a thing in the
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  game. Do I feel like it's going in the
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  right direction? God it's so hard to say but I
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  feel like they finally picked a direction and I.
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  Feel like it was so aimless and just ridiculously stupid that
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  you did it because there was nothing else to do.
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  Like you could be a combat pilot or you could be an indie person.
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  And I've always found myself to be an indie person, and now I
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  feel like mining all of these rocks has a purpose.
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  Gathering all that material has a purpose.
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  Even though I'm probably not going to make anything anytime
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  soon, I just. Give it to.
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  The org and hope for the best. Are you in the in the game more?
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  Are you flying around in a prospector?
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  What are you doing? I am, I've been living in my
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  prospector for the last 24 hours.
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  I haven't left it. So maybe it's a good thing.
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  I mean, the, you know, I said that there was this, this
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  barrier for entry for some people into crafting or, or into
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  mining. I mean, maybe what they want is
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  to separate us more, you know, to to force people to
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  specialize. Like my big hope is something
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  they talked about I don't know like 2017 18 ish where they
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  wanted to do a big supply and demand that forces people to
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  build a player run economy. Now granted they haven't brought
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  that up in ages so God only knows if it's even going to go
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  there anymore. But I.
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  Think there was another game that did something like that, I
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  can't remember. I mean, Eve Online did it, did
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  it and did it very well in my opinion, but.
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  Agreed. Wasn't eve online?
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  I can't remember, maybe someone will bring it up later.
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  Yeah, I'm sure it'll come up. I'm sure it'll come up, but like
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  on Blaze point of, you know, let's clog up our inventory with
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  stuff like. It's much I don't want to hone
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  in on. The damn game is still an alpha,
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  and probably will be for my foreseeable future.
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  They got to start somewhere, you know?
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  Let's, let's throw a dart now. At least we have a dartboard
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  we're throwing at. Thank God.
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  Yeah, yeah. I would say, you know what it it
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  does, it does feel good. Now this week we had the, what
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  is it called Masters of industry or something.
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  There's some industry event going on.
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  I was under the impression that CHJ was going to give us some
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  like more industry missions, maybe some of Nicks, but it
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  looks like none. It was none of that.
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  It's just like a a a page on the website.
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  I, I got to say I, I was like super excited.
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  I was, I like, I got to, I got to say I, I also shared the
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  optimism of like, OK, you know, we're going to need to craft and
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  we're going to need things and we're going to, you know, it's
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  going to be great. And, and I still, I still, and I
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  agree too, that that I think that this is definitely one of
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  those instances where they put systems in place before they put
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  the tools in place for the players, the users to be able to
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  use it. So hopefully something becomes
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  streamlined of it. But I wanted to say like about
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  those events, like nobody was more excited, I don't think, to
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  go back to Levsky than I was. And I it, it definitely was
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  under the impression again, that there was going to be a lot more
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  content with that regard in this patch.
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  I did not. I did not anticipate sitting in
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  the mole outside of one of those breaker stations for an hour and
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  a half while people go around getting all kinds of sick loot
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  and fun stuff, and then they poke a little hole in that rock
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  and I go in there and come out with less than 25 SCU of
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  material. In a hole, like the whole, the
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  whole idea was supposed to be the mining.
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  We've got a new mining event. They showed mining ships and it
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  was going to be about mining. Nope.
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  Yeah, yeah. And it's, that's a really good
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  .80% of that event, maybe 90% is FPS stuff.
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  And we were in, I mean we in and out mining a few minutes like
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  you have 3 prospectors or whatever.
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  And I don't know about you, but what was the quality Judger
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  like? Honestly, what was the quality
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  of what you guys pulled out after all that work?
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  Yeah, it was it was like fine. I think it was just like
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  everything else, to be honest. Well, Mia, anything else you
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  want to say before I, I pull someone else up here?
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  This is this is your first time calling in.
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  Thank you for calling in. It is.
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  I've watched some of the stuff on YouTube, some of the older
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  reels, that's about it. Oh wow, wow.
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  Don't sit next to me on the couch.
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  You can see that you can sit next to to blah over there, OK.
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  And no, I'm good. I'm actually in the in the
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  Prospector right now hunting down rocks.
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  Oh well, hey, if if you find something of note, you feel free
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  to interrupt whoever's talking and and.
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  Let us, I was going to say please update us when you find
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  that you know level 999. Yeah. 9.
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  On the highest thing I've found so far today.
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  What was the highest? Nine O 9, well, it's pretty
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  good, higher than anything. That's pretty good.
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  Yeah, yeah, I hope you got a lot of it.
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  What was it, Ice. One that I can't pronounce the
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  Laserite. Laserite.
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  Laserite, because you got to say it with a Southern accent.
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  That's why do you guys down there in the listening?
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  The way we're doing this now is if you want to pop on in, you
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  can raise your hand. For all the experienced callers,
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  folks who've been in and out, you can raise your hand and I
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  will pull you on up. So I see Skeeter down there,
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  Open Comms Radio. Skeeter, welcome to Open Comms
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  Radio, your Star Citizen calling show.
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  Thank you for calling in. You know how it goes right here
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  is industry heading in the right direction?
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  Well, thanks for having me. I'm a long time listener.
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  Once or twice caller. Is industry heading the right
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  direction? Absolutely.
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  They're like, wow, I made it a great point and that it at least
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  has some direction. So I was, you know, back before
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  they ruined mining. I think I've said this before,
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  but I was I was a huge miner. I love mining till they ruined
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  it and prior to ruining it and even after ruining it for a long
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  time, the only point to mining was to make money.
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  And so the only point to the there's only one thing to mine
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  to make money and that was quantanium.
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  It was like there's no point in mining anything else and.
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  When did they ruin mining? 317 I think it was.
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  How did they ruin mining? How?
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  Oh my gosh. That was when they introduced
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  the gadgets and that that was when they overhauled mining.
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  So they basically made it completely black or white.
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  Like you either could or could not crack a rock based on your
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  equipment. And prior to that you could, if
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  you had like the right modules. It took skill, but you could do
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  it. You could crack some really big
• 21:31
  rocks, but again, it really took skill and you had to time your
• 21:35
  modules just right. But then once they ruined it, it
• 21:40
  was just black and white. You either could or couldn't
• 21:42
  break it. And they made it really
• 21:44
  difficult for solo players to mine anything that was worth
• 21:48
  making money. So you almost had to have a
• 21:52
  fully crude mole to do it. And then at that point you're
• 21:56
  splitting it three or four ways, so it just wasn't profitable and
• 22:00
  nobody mined until now. So now there's actually a reason
• 22:04
  to mine and you, there's reasons to mine up things other than
• 22:09
  quantanium or gold. So like my, and it surpassed my
• 22:13
  vision. So like my vision back in the
• 22:15
  day for mining was purely economy based.
• 22:17
  Like I kind of saw it as like if everybody was mining quantanium,
• 22:22
  your quantanium market's going to get flooded, prices going to
• 22:24
  drop. But then like you could base it
• 22:26
  on, you know, whether or not you know, how many aircraft
• 22:30
  aircraft, how many ships are getting repaired and what kind
• 22:32
  of materials will be needed for those repair.
• 22:34
  And that would drive up the need and the demand for those other
• 22:37
  mining materials and therefore drive up the prices.
• 22:40
  So it kind of be cyclical depending on, you know, what
• 22:43
  you're mining. But now with crafting, it's, I
• 22:47
  think it's way better than anything I kind of envisioned.
• 22:51
  So now that you have reasons to mine pretty much everything
• 22:54
  depending on what what it is you're trying to craft.
• 22:57
  So I'm a fan. I think it's heading the right
• 23:00
  direction. Obviously it's time to cook.
• 23:01
  There are some cripes, I get it. But this is like one point O, so
• 23:06
  I think it's only going to get better.
• 23:11
  I love the optimism. Thank you.
• 23:14
  Thank you. Thank you.
• 23:17
  Well, Oh my gosh, we have a lot of callers in in the waiting
• 23:20
  room. They're fine.
• 23:21
  We do. There are a few which is good.
• 23:24
  Yeah, Yeah, there, there are a few of them.
• 23:25
  This is good. It's good.
• 23:26
  We're gonna we're gonna have to do something about this, Duke.
• 23:28
  I don't know. We're gonna have to Do I have to
• 23:31
  to kill some of the listeners? Are we getting too big for our
• 23:34
  own britches? Yeah.
• 23:36
  Oh, can I? Can I say something real quick?
• 23:38
  Yeah. There's a bot in your twitch
• 23:40
  chat and he just needs to go. There's a bot.
• 23:45
  Yeah. Oh man, I'm getting targeted by
• 23:49
  bots first. First we were brigaded by the
• 23:52
  Fortnite crowd, now we're getting targeted by bots.
• 23:55
  This is this is good I feel. Come and listen to old men learn
• 24:01
  the Internet. All right, so Speaking of old
• 24:06
  men, we got a couple here down in the bottom here.
• 24:10
  I'm going to pull on this next guy, Broccoli Rob.
• 24:13
  Broccoli Rob, welcome to Open Comms Radio, your Star Citizen
• 24:18
  call in show. Broccoli, Rob.
• 24:20
  Is industry heading in the right direction?
• 24:24
  How's it going, everybody? I would say, I would say yes.
• 24:29
  I really think it is really excited to say that.
• 24:34
  All right. Thanks for coming on the show.
• 24:36
  Yeah, right. On the show Brother Rob.
• 24:38
  For a, for a long time, I mean until this patch, it was, oh, I
• 24:42
  want to go mining. Does anyone what can someone
• 24:45
  tell me about it? And it's like, oh, the most best
• 24:47
  thing you can do for mining is to just go bounty hunt because
• 24:51
  the only thing you can do with minables is sell them and bounty
• 24:54
  hunting is more profitable. So what what was the point?
• 24:58
  Like, why, why am I going out there and finding this, you
• 25:02
  know, XY and Z or when in reality it was all Quantanium.
• 25:09
  So it's Quantanium, and it was everything else.
• 25:12
  OK, OK, I get it. I get.
• 25:16
  I'm kind of on Team Blay though because I don't feel like I'm
• 25:20
  looking for any. Resources.
• 25:22
  I I feel like, I feel like team Blay are now just a bunch of
• 25:26
  pessimists, you know, a bunch of negative nancies.
• 25:28
  I was on team Blay and now I'm I'm seeing the light.
• 25:31
  You've moved. I'm, I'm drifting.
• 25:33
  I'm drifting towards team positivity.
• 25:37
  Yeah, let OK, let them. Let them cook.
• 25:39
  That's what you're calling yourselves.
• 25:41
  No, it's Oh yeah, Skeeter, but. OK.
• 25:47
  Brock and Rob as the current spokesperson for Team
• 25:50
  Positivity. Where?
• 25:52
  Where are we? Going from here.
• 25:55
  I think where I think they're going and where I'd like to see
• 26:00
  it go and I don't think this is too big of a lift.
• 26:03
  I think it's take the ore qualities and have them which
• 26:10
  way do I want to go have them round up when refining, but only
• 26:15
  a certain percentage. So if it's 750 quality, have it
• 26:20
  round up to 800, but only have 50% of that or make it through
• 26:27
  the refinery process. Of the rounded up, more so you,
• 26:31
  but you still have 10 levels, you have 10 levels of quality is
• 26:35
  what you're saying essentially. Yeah, so it's kind of had to
• 26:38
  whittle down, like the raw stuff is at 1000 and then you bring it
• 26:44
  down maybe 100, maybe 10. I was looking at the stats.
• 26:49
  They break pretty evenly at 100, like armor mitigation and damage
• 26:55
  and all that. For every 100, it's seems like a
• 26:58
  pretty even number, and it seems like that's what they're
• 27:00
  balancing off of that. Makes sense?
• 27:03
  So it makes, yeah, it makes sense to me to like when it's
• 27:07
  raw, you know, you just get a whole shit load of numbers, you
• 27:11
  know, you got 1000 of them, but then you refine it down to like
• 27:16
  10 levels or 20 or some much lower number of quality that you
• 27:23
  then craft with. I think that fixes a lot of the,
• 27:29
  the, IT the everything in your inventory problem, the like
• 27:32
  point O1 SCU of like 865 quality that you can't put into the 866
• 27:38
  quality. Yeah, I just see.
• 27:42
  I see that being a predictable solution that they would go for.
• 27:49
  It's shocking. It's kind of strange to me that
• 27:52
  like they didn't do that from the get go.
• 27:57
  Then they'd have to release a refinery ship and they probably
• 28:00
  don't have it. Done yet?
• 28:02
  You know it always comes back to the ships it does.
• 28:07
  They want to make a splash. They want to say, you know what?
• 28:09
  We, we, we listen to you guys, we thought it through and
• 28:13
  refining is the solution. And gosh darn it, you know what?
• 28:16
  We happen to have a ship for that.
• 28:19
  Yeah, and like with that comes a whole new way to refine.
• 28:27
  There's a whole bunch of new stuff being added.
• 28:29
  They're probably like, we don't really have that done yet.
• 28:31
  Let's just throw crafting in and get that tested because that's
• 28:34
  what we're doing at the end of the day.
• 28:36
  Do you have anything to add to team positivity?
• 28:42
  What? Say that again, I missed you.
• 28:44
  Oh, that if you if you had anything to add to team
• 28:46
  positivity here about the direction that the game's taken,
• 28:52
  No. No, oops.
• 28:54
  Hey, are you there? Well, hello.
• 28:58
  Hi. I don't know what happened to my
• 29:01
  audio cut out. Were you asking me A?
• 29:05
  Question. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:06
  It's. OK, you.
• 29:07
  Can you can forget it's fine. No, it sounds like a great
• 29:10
  question, but I didn't hear it. Yeah, I was just asking if you
• 29:13
  had anything to add to team positivity as Co.
• 29:16
  Captain yeah, I will say I think everyone's made good points.
• 29:21
  Even Team Negativity has made some good points.
• 29:24
  I I don't. Like the, I don't like the
• 29:26
  names. I, I don't like that the there's
• 29:30
  1000 qualities. I agree that can probably have
• 29:33
  been done differently. Even just scaling it down.
• 29:36
  I think if you had like a even just quality one through 100,
• 29:40
  you know, reduces it by a factor of 10 and you can.
• 29:44
  And I kind of get why they wanted a lot of qualities
• 29:46
  because, you know, they got this mathematical formula that goes
• 29:49
  into your stacks of your weapon or your armor that you're
• 29:52
  crafting and the quality plays a part in it.
• 29:55
  And you don't want it to simplify.
• 29:57
  Like I think if it was one through 7 or like one through
• 30:00
  10, not 7, that might be like a little too simple, but I think
• 30:05
  that could be. I agree that the quality is,
• 30:09
  it's a little crazy and stacking is absurd.
• 30:12
  I think it's just fixing stacking and inventory will help
• 30:16
  solve a lot of complaints. The only other thing I wanted to
• 30:20
  maybe address was so like when I think Blaze approach is
• 30:26
  different than the way I approached it.
• 30:27
  So that like Blay went out and got a bunch of materials and
• 30:30
  then came back and wasn't able to craft anything.
• 30:33
  Whereas I knew what I wanted to craft.
• 30:36
  So I went and grinded for the blueprint first to see what I
• 30:38
  needed, and then I specifically targeted those minables to make
• 30:45
  what I wanted. And so far that has worked out
• 30:49
  really well. That's all I'll say.
• 30:52
  Not that I don't want to play, it plays great.
• 30:55
  But you know you know. The problem with approaching it
• 30:56
  in either way is it still relies on all sorts of extra knowledge,
• 31:03
  or rather knowledge from outside the game.
• 31:07
  Like you, you got to use websites, you got to use YouTube
• 31:09
  videos. That's a fairpoint.
• 31:12
  And I, I try to play the game as much as possible without that to
• 31:16
  get the, you know, the quote UN quote true experience that a
• 31:20
  gamer would have. Now, I know, you know, we, we
• 31:23
  can make the argument and it's been made by some that no game
• 31:25
  exists without that stuff nowadays, but I would say that
• 31:30
  most games exist. It it's possible to get that
• 31:35
  without going the third parties but Star Citizen is not there
• 31:39
  yet and I get a little bugged when they add something like
• 31:42
  this crafting system where if you don't go to a third party it
• 31:48
  it's huge. I know without data mining it,
• 31:51
  it's just exactly. No, that's exactly it.
• 31:53
  That's the whole issue that I have about them instituting
• 31:56
  systems without any tools. Yeah, and that's been their
• 32:01
  whole MO though from the beginning, to be fair.
• 32:05
  But you know, they, they added this, the tutorial, which was
• 32:10
  supposed to address some of that, but it's, it was, you
• 32:13
  know, the swing and a miss and everybody knows that.
• 32:16
  So you're not. But I'm not sure what would fix
• 32:18
  it though, because again, if it's too simple, you're going to
• 32:22
  get bored with it. Like if there needs to be some
• 32:24
  level of complexity that's, you know, with information is not
• 32:28
  easily attained. Like imagine, you know, if I
• 32:30
  know we got some old school gamers like playing Zelda with
• 32:34
  no Internet. Like you had to figure it out,
• 32:36
  like it was hard. You didn't know what to do or
• 32:38
  where to go. So I, I think there, there does
• 32:42
  have to be some balance. Now, I did come kind of come
• 32:46
  into a blind because, you know, I was gone for a little bit and
• 32:50
  then I came back and I'm only three days into crafting and
• 32:55
  there was, you know, just really just one resource that I've used
• 32:58
  so far. There's a picture that Hobo
• 33:00
  posted with the locations of where to go.
• 33:04
  But yeah, like if you didn't, if you were brand new of the game
• 33:06
  and you had no idea where you're where to go mining, and there's
• 33:09
  like so many places to go mining, you would have a hard
• 33:12
  time finding specific materials. I think so, yeah, that is a
• 33:17
  fairpoint, but I don't really know a great way to balance that
• 33:20
  either. And I would also hazard to say
• 33:22
  that like, when was the last time you needed a spreadsheet to
• 33:25
  play Zelda and I and and and not to criticize your example,
• 33:29
  right, not not to, but I do say that like, just given the
• 33:34
  complexity of the task at hand, I think it merits some sort of
• 33:39
  something just because like they keep changing the they change
• 33:44
  the system so much. They broke regolith.
• 33:47
  Regolith is done. And one of the reasons they
• 33:49
  cited for finishing up their project, which was a very
• 33:52
  reliable third party, you know, industry tool, was the fact that
• 33:55
  CIG just keeps up ending the system on the back end over and
• 33:58
  over and over and over again. So yes, we are in alpha and
• 34:01
  yeah, we are learning and developing.
• 34:02
  And I'm optimistic overall. I'm just more of a salvage
• 34:05
  player, I think is part of it. But yeah, it's yeah.
• 34:11
  All right. Well, we're going to move things
• 34:14
  along here because we got some other callers coming in.
• 34:18
  We're going to bring on this next guy wild card.
• 34:22
  Everybody can scoot down the couch.
• 34:23
  It's going to get pretty, pretty big here.
• 34:26
  Wild. You can come on in whenever
• 34:28
  you're ready. Thanks.
• 34:32
  Hello. Hey, thanks for having me.
• 34:35
  I appreciate it. Welcome Wild card.
• 34:37
  You are on Open Comms Radio and this week's question is is
• 34:40
  industry headed in the right direction?
• 34:45
  To be honest, I don't care. And.
• 34:50
  And. My, they, there hasn't been
• 34:54
  sufficient amount. I mean, I, I, I, I can hear and
• 34:58
  appreciate what everybody's been saying.
• 34:59
  And it's been very illuminating for me to listen to this
• 35:02
  conversation. I know that particularly that I
• 35:07
  mean, there's people on this couch already that I've learned
• 35:09
  a lot from, from the, from the industry perspective.
• 35:12
  I'm not an industry. Guy, I've never been an industry
• 35:14
  guy, but there this, this well, they've implemented so far just
• 35:21
  hasn't been enough to make me care about it.
• 35:23
  The only reason that I've been out there mining and supporting
• 35:25
  and mining operations for me is just been, you know, there's a,
• 35:29
  there's a, you know, it's the direction the org is headed in
• 35:32
  right now. You know, they want to craft
• 35:34
  they want to craft the, the, the best stuff possible.
• 35:37
  They want to mine the best stuff possible and a lot of focus has
• 35:41
  been there. And and of course, you know, I
• 35:44
  mean, attaining the blueprints has been fun And and you know,
• 35:49
  the, the, the OR we got out of the rock breaker was the juice
• 35:53
  wasn't worth the squeeze from a from a mining perspective.
• 35:56
  I mean, the event itself was awesome.
• 35:59
  It was the scale, the, the, the way they put it together was
• 36:03
  just amazing. But the at the end of the day,
• 36:05
  it was kind of flat when you realize that you're going
• 36:09
  through that that rock that you went through all that trouble to
• 36:11
  break and you know, the, the ore that's in there, most of it's
• 36:15
  not of a sufficient quality to be even interesting.
• 36:18
  Yeah. So it sounds to me like this is
• 36:25
  the beginning of a player driven economy, right.
• 36:29
  Like we, we've got people into the industry stuff they want to
• 36:31
  do it. We got people who don't care,
• 36:33
  people who are doing it just because they want the best gear
• 36:36
  and we'll we'll get there. We just need the tools.
• 36:43
  Yeah, better UI and better inventory.
• 36:47
  I forget who I was speaking with today, but a lot of it does boil
• 36:51
  down and as people are saying like to the inventory and, and
• 36:54
  how you're organizing this stuff because it's yeah, it's just,
• 36:56
  it's kind of messy. Yeah, every, everything's really
• 37:00
  messy when you're playing it. So it's always been that way.
• 37:03
  And then we get a glimpse right in our the year of playability
• 37:07
  or whatever, the earbud fixes and it's like really smooth and
• 37:11
  we have like a whole patch and that was like really nice.
• 37:15
  And then they start adding shit and you're like, ah, what is
• 37:18
  this? The inventory for me this patch
• 37:22
  has been incredibly flaky. I've had more, more problems
• 37:26
  this patch with my inventory than anything else.
• 37:28
  And you know, again, it comes down to the, what they've added
• 37:33
  is not really, like I said, capturing my interest or making
• 37:36
  me go, oh, I want to do this. And then, you know, you said the
• 37:39
  inventory problems on top of that.
• 37:41
  I I've been doing a lot of playing other games.
• 37:45
  Blasphemy. Oh, wow.
• 37:47
  Well, Duke and I are on the opposite side of this one, but I
• 37:50
  think it's healthy. Yeah.
• 37:54
  I mean, why not? I mean don't get.
• 37:57
  Me wrong. I'm all for it, you know, I
• 37:58
  mean, entering more stuff into the in in gameplay and having
• 38:01
  different game boots. Is it, you know, my, my big
• 38:04
  thing is medical. I want to do more medical
• 38:06
  gameplay that we haven't got around to that yet.
• 38:07
  Right. Medical.
• 38:08
  What's what is that? I don't even know what that is.
• 38:10
  I don't know what that is. Is that in this game?
• 38:12
  Do they have that? You know what?
• 38:15
  That's that was my introduction to the org, right?
• 38:17
  You know, I went on a rescue mission and rescued Murphy and
• 38:20
  then he started telling me about the org.
• 38:22
  Oh medical? You mean like what was that like
• 38:25
  10 patches ago? When things like it heal people
• 38:29
  and stuff and you couldn't just respawn at every bed and yes, OK
• 38:34
  that. Was the patch I I started in.
• 38:36
  That was my first patch. Yeah, yeah, I remember that.
• 38:40
  Yeah, it was really cool. That was actually my favorite
• 38:42
  loop. Med players have definitely
• 38:44
  taken a huge hit. Yeah, yeah.
• 38:49
  Speaking of getting hit, this guy hit me in the heart this
• 38:52
  week. Next guy?
• 38:54
  Yeah. Did he steal one of your cards?
• 38:57
  No, I was like, hey man, do you want to go play Magic?
• 39:00
  And he's like, oh, I can't. I'm playing Magic with this
• 39:02
  other guy. And he sent me, oh, he sent me a
• 39:06
  photo. That's pretty cheating my.
• 39:08
  Magic I. Know.
• 39:09
  Yeah, I know. Anyway.
• 39:11
  It's cosmic. It's one thing to cheat on jar
• 39:13
  jar, but then to send pictures of it that is you had.
• 39:15
  To brag about it like. That that's messed up.
• 39:17
  That's messed up. Hey, I'm just making inroads for
• 39:20
  you 'cause he has a lot of bling cards and you want them.
• 39:24
  Wow, I only cheated on you so that you could get closer to the
• 39:29
  guy I was cheating on you with. That's you know what?
• 39:32
  That's some Gen. Z online dating stuff that I
• 39:35
  just like, I don't even understand.
• 39:39
  I have a ghost story about that, but it's for another time.
• 39:42
  Cosmic Kobo Is industry heading in the right direction?
• 39:46
  It's a start. I, I think everyone said on all
• 39:49
  the other parts that I would cover as well, but mostly the
• 39:52
  fact that it is just a start. And I, I, I do fully agree with
• 39:57
  the fact that we are now actually going somewhere with
• 40:00
  industry because before it was all about making money and sort
• 40:05
  of, but it was never honestly worth the effort for the money
• 40:11
  we would get out of industry activities.
• 40:13
  But now, now there's. There's something to do with the
• 40:19
  stuff we mine. I hope we get more to do with
• 40:21
  the stuff we salvage as well. And refinery gameplay.
• 40:26
  Like, like I said, there's it's a start.
• 40:29
  And yeah, I, I, I think it's heading in the right direction
• 40:34
  in the sense that it's, as another person said, it's going
• 40:38
  in a direction. So yeah, I, I think we're
• 40:42
  getting there. I don't think it's from my
• 40:45
  interest necessarily to the point in which I feel the need
• 40:49
  to be super engaged with it yet. Like, I think I've spent a lot
• 40:54
  of time getting blueprints, but that's not really industry.
• 40:57
  Yet like. That tying blueprints to
• 41:01
  missions kind of throws a wrench in the whole industry.
• 41:06
  People make things because they can't make things without the
• 41:12
  blueprints, and to get the blueprints, your options are
• 41:17
  pretty much contact right now. Yeah.
• 41:21
  So. Which that's part of the the
• 41:23
  player driven economy maybe, right.
• 41:25
  The whole idea, yeah, you, you can make stuff really well.
• 41:28
  But if you want to be able to get the blueprints to make some
• 41:31
  stuff, you still going to make some deals with people who want
• 41:33
  to shoot stuff. Yeah, I could see that.
• 41:36
  And I'd actually love. To be able to give people
• 41:38
  blueprints. I I would love to be like, hey,
• 41:41
  hello org mate, are you, do you have the stuff?
• 41:45
  I have the knowledge. Here you go, and then you make
• 41:50
  the thing and then everyone's happy.
• 41:53
  Yeah, I got the money if you got the stuff.
• 41:56
  Yeah. I kind of like to just to be
• 41:57
  able to go to refinery and put it in an order for the stuff
• 41:59
  that I need to make the stuff that I want, then wait for
• 42:02
  somebody to fill it. Yeah.
• 42:06
  I actually really. Like the?
• 42:08
  I like the perspective of people who are like, I don't really
• 42:10
  care about crafting because it's showing that there is the start
• 42:15
  of an economy is like wild, like say you would need.
• 42:19
  So you want like a awesome medic armor.
• 42:22
  When that comes online, you're like, all right, who can do that
• 42:26
  for me because I don't want to do it.
• 42:28
  I want to have the medic armor, but I don't want to go grind out
• 42:32
  60 missions and mine for five hours.
• 42:35
  Can anyone do that for me though?
• 42:37
  Yeah, sure, I got you. Yeah, yeah.
• 42:40
  That's cool. Not everyone has to be
• 42:41
  everything. Yeah, I'm not a huge industry
• 42:45
  player personally. Like I'll do it, I'll join for
• 42:48
  events and with a group, but I'm not going to probably go out on
• 42:53
  my own to try and find Matt's. I just.
• 42:58
  No. When did we all agree to call it
• 43:00
  Matt's? By the way, this is this is like
• 43:02
  new to me everyone's. Been using World of Warcraft.
• 43:05
  It goes back to Wow days and I. Think it goes back to Diablo.
• 43:11
  Yes, OK. It's not an e-mail turn really I
• 43:15
  want. To that just it's sort.
• 43:17
  Of made different Skyrim huh? Yeah, the hobo's point.
• 43:21
  I think if they just physicalize blueprints that would make a lot
• 43:24
  of people happy. Yeah, and I can send it off.
• 43:28
  Blueprints to all the industry folks.
• 43:31
  OK, if they said they would I I just missed it.
• 43:35
  To what extent, though, they haven't elaborated.
• 43:38
  Right. They just said that you will be
• 43:39
  able to like trade them or you know, like choose to take one or
• 43:44
  not. I think they said the idea was
• 43:46
  like when you were rewarded 1 you could consume it, like learn
• 43:51
  it to yourself or choose to not do so, so that you could pass it
• 43:55
  on to somebody else. But we'll see how that all gets
• 43:58
  implemented. Now we need an auction house.
• 44:05
  Absolutely. Yeah, shit.
• 44:08
  Things are. Things are building up here.
• 44:10
  Things are really snowballing. They're about to get out of
• 44:12
  control before they got out of. Control wait, wait wait.
• 44:15
  Before we bring up either of these other two guys in the
• 44:17
  waiting room, I just wanted to mention I I was watching another
• 44:20
  streamer recently, Space Tomato. It's like a little guy.
• 44:24
  Not many people know about him, but he was talking about a game.
• 44:28
  It was Star Star Wars, Star Wars Gulf Star Wars. *.
• 44:37
  Wars Galaxies *. Wars.
• 44:39
  And he was drawing some comparisons.
• 44:41
  To. The way that, you know, it looks
• 44:43
  like things are going with inventory and specifically with
• 44:47
  the qualities. And he said, he said, yeah, you
• 44:50
  know, this is just how it was in Galaxies, you know, which a lot
• 44:54
  of people talk about as as a great game.
• 44:57
  And then he points out, you know, if it was so great, why
• 45:01
  have we not seen another game do it the same way in over 15
• 45:05
  years? And I just thought that was an
• 45:07
  interesting take that I wanted to put out there, totally
• 45:10
  unrelated to anyone else who might come up on the couch.
• 45:13
  I want to 2nd that Galaxies thing 'cause like I was a
• 45:16
  doctor. In Star Wars.
• 45:17
  Galaxies and I killed myself to make the high quality, most high
• 45:23
  quality meds you could for buffs and everything.
• 45:26
  And when I would show up at a station to like start buffing
• 45:28
  people, there'd be like three or four other medics there with
• 45:31
  lines. And then I'd show up and people
• 45:33
  who knew me. It's like all the lines would
• 45:34
  vacate and let everybody be in front of me.
• 45:36
  But it was. Just like I hit that point and
• 45:38
  it was just like, OK, I'm at the top and there's nothing left.
• 45:44
  There was like nowhere else to go.
• 45:46
  Like they they had a great. Concept and they didn't continue
• 45:49
  it. Well, what do you I also I hear
• 45:53
  those sorts of things a lot about people playing games and
• 45:56
  they reach the top level and what else is there?
• 45:58
  And I always ask, well, there's always got to be something else
• 46:03
  right? Like if you're in it just for
• 46:04
  the grind to reach the next level to me, like that's not
• 46:08
  gaming, that's just grinding like you've got to enjoy the
• 46:11
  gameplay that goes with it. So hopefully that's what CIG
• 46:16
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• 46:19
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• 46:57
  All right, all right, one more thing before I bring up my
• 47:00
  guest. Last word.
• 47:02
  Take that quality thing from Star Wars Galaxies and then
• 47:06
  bring in the player economy from EVE.
• 47:08
  And that's not the do all end all.
• 47:10
  That's a good start. That's good.
• 47:13
  That's, that's the way to do it. All right, on to the couch is
• 47:17
  our next guest here. You know him, you love him.
• 47:21
  He's been here since day one. It is Wicket.
• 47:23
  Wicket, welcome to Open Comms Radio, your Star Citizen call
• 47:26
  and show. This week's question Is industry
• 47:28
  heading in the right direction? Citizens, long time listener,
• 47:33
  occasional caller. And before I get into all that,
• 47:40
  into what direction we're heading, we're, we're right now
• 47:45
  as far as 4.74.71, we're like 2 weeks into the 4.7 era Star
• 47:52
  Citizen. And I'm not a big fan of the
• 47:55
  quality. As most of you already know,
• 47:57
  folks that have been tuning in. I will say this, I'm, I'm not
• 48:04
  necessarily an industry person or PvP or I'm kind of like an
• 48:08
  all arounder. I like kind of dabbling into
• 48:11
  every a little bit of everything and I don't mind getting on with
• 48:17
  what in MMO parlance would be called the grind where you have
• 48:21
  to spend ungodly amounts of time looking for the, you know, the
• 48:27
  top tier materials or the top tier weapon or whatever.
• 48:31
  I don't mind doing that. I've never mind mind doing that.
• 48:34
  That's just kind of part of playing an MMO in the modern era
• 48:40
  of gaming. You're going to be on some sort
• 48:42
  of grind, whether it's for Rep, money, materials, weapons,
• 48:49
  whatever. Having said that, I've had a lot
• 48:52
  of fun in 4.7 chasing that quality.
• 48:57
  The 800 quality plus is what we're looking for to make, you
• 49:01
  know, a, a level of weapon and armor that we've as a group find
• 49:07
  acceptable. And like in a lot of games, when
• 49:11
  you go after the stuff you're you're the reason you're going
• 49:15
  after that is because the the players, for the most part, the
• 49:19
  top players are all going to be going chasing the most
• 49:24
  advantageous weapons, armor, ships.
• 49:28
  That's why there's always going to be a meta in MMO games and on
• 49:33
  in in these competitive online games.
• 49:36
  Now we're lucky and Star Citizen that we have multiple ways of
• 49:40
  being competitive, whether it's FPS you or you could be
• 49:47
  competitive, you know, ship fighting, you could be
• 49:49
  competitive in kind of now in in in industry, because you're
• 49:55
  being competitive chasing that chasing the dragon of the high
• 49:58
  quality number. There's a reason to go out to do
• 50:02
  this. You know, it's no longer the
• 50:04
  reason of Oh, I need to go hunt quantanium because that's the
• 50:07
  only thing valuable, because that was the only the only
• 50:10
  reason to mine in the back in the in the bad old days was make
• 50:14
  more money because that was like the only real metric that in Rep
• 50:18
  Rep. What if?
• 50:20
  What if they made the equality so rare that people started
• 50:27
  killing each other for it? I think that'd be a good thing.
• 50:32
  Yeah, like 900 plus Quantanium is just like super rare.
• 50:37
  Yeah. Well, that, that's, that's all
• 50:41
  funny good. I think the quality thing is
• 50:43
  just it's, it's ridiculous. It's a good, it's a good.
• 50:47
  I hope it's just a placeholder for something else that's going
• 50:50
  to come along because it's easy to institute quality.
• 50:53
  But if you think about it, between ship mining, hand mining
• 51:00
  and vehicle mining, we have 39 different commodities that can
• 51:06
  be pulled out of the ground or out of rocks, and each item has
• 51:10
  1000 quality levels. So that's 39. 1000 individual.
• 51:15
  Things So what if you were a what are you know?
• 51:20
  I'm sure you guys have heard about the MMO players that are
• 51:23
  completionist. They have to have one of
• 51:25
  everything. Can you imagine or?
• 51:29
  Bastard with OCD. Yeah, just imagine that.
• 51:34
  I mean, I'm I'm. Sure, there's.
• 51:35
  People out, I'm sure there's people like that out there, you
• 51:38
  know, and, and where does that end?
• 51:41
  Just I don't know that that's for them to decide.
• 51:44
  But 39,000 different items, that's 39,000 different skews
• 51:49
  basically that have been added to the game.
• 51:53
  Now, they may not all be in the game right now, but in two
• 51:56
  weeks, with all the mining that's been done, I wouldn't, it
• 51:59
  wouldn't, I wouldn't put it past our player base that one of each
• 52:03
  quality of every item has been mined by now.
• 52:08
  Sure, that. Would be so.
• 52:13
  You know, I've I've already beat the horse to death about the the
• 52:17
  the quality should be in the rare materials.
• 52:20
  You know, if if they want to go after rarity, it shouldn't be,
• 52:25
  you know, stuff like iron is like everywhere should be and if
• 52:29
  you want something better, you'd find titanium or they could add
• 52:32
  any they could add whatever they wanted to this game as far as as
• 52:37
  a as an or give it, you know, give it whatever magic name they
• 52:41
  want to give it and just make it super rare and then.
• 52:44
  If you want. You know, if you want to, if you
• 52:47
  want to get the gun with the best stats and you have to have
• 52:49
  that rare item put in it, you'll be chasing that dragon for a
• 52:54
  long, long time until you finally get it.
• 52:56
  You may end up having to settle for something less but more
• 53:00
  accessible. Right.
• 53:03
  It's like that. It's like that sword you get at
• 53:05
  the very end of the game, yeah, you know, mostly gaming up and
• 53:08
  you play with it for 20 minutes or whatever, and then you beat
• 53:11
  the game. But you know, it, it, it, it all
• 53:16
  of this has in effect given for me personally a reason to play
• 53:21
  the game. Now I've played some of the Z ZS
• 53:24
  and I've, and I've played the rock breaker.
• 53:27
  That kind of stuff gets really tiresome pretty fast for me.
• 53:32
  And even grinding anything really can get tiresome.
• 53:36
  But the, the, the randomness of, of looking for an oar, it's
• 53:42
  we're really not mining. Everybody says, oh, we're doing
• 53:45
  all this mining. We're not really doing a lot of
• 53:47
  mining. We're doing a lot of scouting
• 53:49
  and the, the tools we have to scout for these minerals,
• 53:53
  they're lacking a lot. But you know, we work with what
• 53:56
  we have and we're, we're still able to find stuff.
• 53:59
  But you know, if you're going to go out and scouting for you, for
• 54:03
  every hour of scouting, you may be doing 5 minutes of mining and
• 54:08
  that's because you're passing over anything that's below your
• 54:11
  threshold. Is your threshold 708 hundred?
• 54:14
  Maybe some people will only pick up 900.
• 54:16
  Now those people, they may have to scout for three or four hours
• 54:19
  before they find something and and then mine for 5 minutes.
• 54:23
  So, you know, there's that. So it sounds like the other
• 54:26
  thing we really need. And again, it this is the
• 54:29
  beginning of the player economy, right?
• 54:30
  We need exploration. We need to be able to scan and
• 54:34
  then sell location data to other players so that you can just,
• 54:40
  you can be my, this is my thing. I've got a ship, you know, I've
• 54:43
  got the, the Drake Herald or the Terrapin and I, I've expected
• 54:47
  out to be an awesome scout ship and I'm just out there scanning,
• 54:51
  finding good stuff and then just saving that info and putting it
• 54:54
  up on the player market 'cause I would pay huge money for that
• 54:58
  personally, 'cause I, I don't enjoy scanning and flying around
• 55:02
  and scanning and flying around. Yeah, I'd love scanning and
• 55:05
  flying around. Just to find a rock that finally
• 55:07
  has what I want that I can't crack with my fucking mole.
• 55:11
  You know, that goes back to whoever was saying earlier
• 55:14
  about, you know, they, they changed mining and made it like
• 55:18
  you couldn't skill your way into it.
• 55:19
  It was just you can or you can't.
• 55:21
  And I hate walking up to something, flying up through it
• 55:24
  and it says impossible. And it's just like, yeah, fuck
• 55:27
  you. My counter argument to this, to
• 55:30
  what that what you're what you're getting at is that it's
• 55:33
  MMO. It's in the title of the genre,
• 55:37
  Multiplayer Massive. Well, to be fair, to be fair we
• 55:40
  weren't an MMO until like. Two, to be fair.
• 55:43
  Well, that's what we're heading towards.
• 55:45
  We were a simulation. I mean, are you?
• 55:47
  Are you, are you, are you saying that this is not an MMO?
• 55:50
  Star Citizen. No, it definitely is, yeah.
• 55:52
  OK, so the whole idea of of the space dad, which and and the
• 55:59
  solo player, I appreciate those player types, but.
• 56:02
  Thank you. They will undoubtedly have to
• 56:07
  reconcile the fact that they are not going to be able to
• 56:11
  participate in the tippy top of the tippy top of of experiences
• 56:15
  as a solo. Because.
• 56:17
  You you're if you cater everything.
• 56:20
  I I think most space dads appreciate whenever I see like a
• 56:24
  a quote UN quote self-proclaimed space dad complaining about that
• 56:27
  sort of thing, I'm always like, like you wicked, although I'm
• 56:31
  even more less kind about it. I'm just like, dude, get real.
• 56:36
  You know, like I, I play the game just to enjoy the play time
• 56:39
  that I get every once in a while.
• 56:40
  I know I'm not going to compete, you know, with that top 1%,
• 56:44
  whether it's top 1% because of skill or just top 1% because of
• 56:48
  play time. I'm not there.
• 56:50
  I'm not there on the on either scale.
• 56:54
  So it's I think it can cater to both in that as long as the
• 56:58
  gameplay is good, space dads are happy and as long as there's
• 57:02
  something lofty to grind towards, then you know the, the
• 57:06
  the try hards will be happy. Well, the, the, the, my argument
• 57:10
  always comes down to the, what I hear from the space dad, quote
• 57:14
  UN quote space dad communities. And, and maybe this is this is
• 57:17
  being too derivative or reductionist.
• 57:22
  But most of the time when I hear the argument from a quote UN
• 57:25
  quote space dad, it's like I can't do XI only have X amount
• 57:30
  of time. Yep.
• 57:33
  And. That's my thought.
• 57:35
  My first thought is I'm an. In my, my, my, my first thought
• 57:40
  when I hear that is and. Right.
• 57:44
  You know, even in real life you're a dad.
• 57:47
  You don't have time like a single guy does.
• 57:51
  That's a decision you made, dude.
• 57:53
  Why should I suffer? Why should I have to cater to
• 57:57
  you? Why you shouldn't you have?
• 57:58
  To cater to. Me, you know, but if, if you're
• 58:01
  going to have a, if you're going to have an environment in a game
• 58:05
  that's multiplayer and you, you, you know, most multiplayer games
• 58:09
  are fostering multiplay people playing together.
• 58:13
  That's why everybody said, you know, if you have these giant
• 58:17
  ships, these multiplayer games, not a a single guy shouldn't be
• 58:20
  able to run a a ship designed for five or ten people to man.
• 58:25
  They should. Hold on.
• 58:26
  Hold on there. Wait.
• 58:26
  Yeah, I know. AI know a single guy.
• 58:29
  Yeah, who could, who could maybe commandeer a whole space vessel?
• 58:34
  And I I want to bring him up here onto the show.
• 58:37
  Here it is, Lord Anubis. Oh, blue boys, you can come on
• 58:41
  up. Blue boy.
• 58:42
  Blue boy. Is industry heading in the right
• 58:46
  direction? There we go, Sorry about that,
• 58:53
  my mic was off. Andorian translator was off.
• 58:57
  Yes, you wouldn't know how to pronounce it because, well.
• 59:02
  He's got his antennae twisted. Yeah.
• 59:06
  So any direction's a good direction and it's a positive
• 59:12
  direction because before we didn't have a direction in
• 59:14
  industry. So here we are.
• 59:19
  So. Yeah, it's a good.
• 59:20
  It's a good because I mean, eventually it will morph into
• 59:27
  Star Wars Galaxies and then. What do we want that?
• 59:30
  Because no other game has done that in like over 15 years.
• 59:33
  So yeah. Oh, no other game has done that
• 59:38
  in over 15 years. I mean, have you heard of EVE?
• 59:41
  No. No, it's that.
• 59:44
  Is that like a list? Game yeah, it's it's the.
• 59:46
  Only game. It's the only.
• 59:48
  Game I I knew a girl in a college.
• 59:50
  Called Microsoft Office plug in. Wow, that is not.
• 59:54
  Really. There's a polymarket.
• 59:56
  Baseline going that's not really the endorsement that you think
• 59:59
  it is. No, I mean, people get serious
• 1:00:03
  about it and getting that serious about it means that it's
• 1:00:09
  it's gotta be, you know, enjoyable.
• 1:00:11
  I mean, people wouldn't invest that kind of time.
• 1:00:13
  People Microsoft would certainly wouldn't do this stuff, you
• 1:00:16
  know, to make a plug in. I mean, these things are because
• 1:00:20
  people get obsessed and that means.
• 1:00:22
  Yeah, I was just like counterpoint, counterpoint.
• 1:00:24
  You ever been to a casino? You ever, you ever, you ever
• 1:00:29
  stood there you're living in. One you ever watched?
• 1:00:31
  75 You ever watched the 75 year old woman sitting there pressing
• 1:00:35
  the same button over and over and over and over for hours
• 1:00:38
  endlessly? There's no fun.
• 1:00:40
  That's no fun. That that's something that's
• 1:00:41
  hijacked your brain, man. Yeah.
• 1:00:43
  But we've been raiding bunkers for years.
• 1:00:46
  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, you know, just because
• 1:00:48
  people keep doing something doesn't necessarily follow that
• 1:00:52
  they're still having fun. Yeah, but I mean, there's a
• 1:00:56
  reason why it's it's a popular game and still.
• 1:00:59
  Yeah, because the same reason that casinos are popular because
• 1:01:02
  human beings are stupid and our brains are hardwired for
• 1:01:05
  addiction. OK.
• 1:01:09
  I do like a nice. But at least there's enough
• 1:01:11
  depth to form an addiction around.
• 1:01:15
  That's true. That's true.
• 1:01:17
  I also think I go on the crush bejeweled.
• 1:01:20
  Yeah, angry. Birds.
• 1:01:21
  Have you played the Buffalo slot machine?
• 1:01:23
  I was going to say, I got amazing as a former addictions
• 1:01:27
  counselor, it it doesn't take much.
• 1:01:29
  Oh. Well, I know that.
• 1:01:32
  You. You.
• 1:01:33
  Got addicted to this damn game. What are you doing here?
• 1:01:36
  He's full of surprise. You you got to drop.
• 1:01:39
  The wagon. Yeah, Hey, how do you think he
• 1:01:41
  finds his clients? Hey, oh.
• 1:01:46
  That is that what that Venmo request was for.
• 1:01:50
  You know what that demo request was for, man?
• 1:01:52
  Don't, don't bring that up here. I had no.
• 1:01:56
  Idea. Realistically.
• 1:01:58
  Lord Nubis, yes. Realistically, when you said
• 1:02:01
  well, but no other game has ever done that in 15 years, as if you
• 1:02:06
  know what you know, because it was a flawed system, I'm just
• 1:02:09
  going to say that's as bad as ridiculous as saying, well, you
• 1:02:13
  know, if Firefly was that good, it wouldn't have only been one
• 1:02:15
  season. Well.
• 1:02:18
  God damn you fox. I mean it, Yeah.
• 1:02:22
  I mean it's. It's about the investment, yeah,
• 1:02:27
  but it's about the investment people are willing to make and
• 1:02:30
  you know, their corporations want to go with what's safe and
• 1:02:35
  a high concept, you know? Well thought out game is a
• 1:02:39
  little bit hard to get going, hence why Star Citizen is
• 1:02:42
  crowdfunded, you know. And that owned.
• 1:02:46
  By but I mean, yeah, it's not owned by Sony, who's just going
• 1:02:49
  to dump it because Wow makes so much money.
• 1:02:52
  Why are they doing this? They fucked up planet side too.
• 1:02:57
  Like they they they do not handle large scale Mmos very
• 1:03:02
  well at all. They make great ones and then
• 1:03:06
  they destroy them. Yeah, don't let them hear this
• 1:03:08
  because then it's going to be Mormon time.
• 1:03:11
  Then they're going to buy us. Please.
• 1:03:14
  Open price. Radio sponsored by Sherry.
• 1:03:20
  Speaking of someone who doesn't have to buy us, OK?
• 1:03:23
  Oh, captain, My captain. Guild leader.
• 1:03:28
  Murphy Jack is welcome on Open Comms Radio.
• 1:03:31
  Murphy, Jack. Is industry heading in the right
• 1:03:33
  direction? Hey, so just to echo it, pretty
• 1:03:38
  much everybody has said it has a direction and yes, it's going in
• 1:03:42
  a good direction. We finally have, I mean, a
• 1:03:45
  reason to go out mining. I have a mined like this in over
• 1:03:48
  five years and it's it's really drives you to go out and get
• 1:03:54
  quality or but just like all of you, the 1000 quality thousand
• 1:04:00
  different qualities with this inventory systems kind of messed
• 1:04:04
  up. But like even old wicked set,
• 1:04:07
  we're only two weeks into it. So it's just a start.
• 1:04:10
  I mean, look at where we were with, you know, you guys talked
• 1:04:13
  about medical 3/15 well before that 314, look at medical, it
• 1:04:17
  was just Med pens and then it slowly gets built up slowly in
• 1:04:25
  bold. But I think it's showing us the
• 1:04:31
  future. And I mean, the amount of times
• 1:04:34
  we've talked about, we have a reason for industry to go out
• 1:04:38
  and get that high quality stuff to outfit our people that do the
• 1:04:42
  focus on PvP. And the only reason why is
• 1:04:44
  because right now all you can make is armor and weapons,
• 1:04:47
  right? But what about in the future
• 1:04:48
  when they bring on other things, ship components, that's going to
• 1:04:52
  be huge base bases, right? Like this just shows that that
• 1:05:02
  even something as small as just weapons and armor, it's going to
• 1:05:08
  be pretty big. You look at UE X now go and
• 1:05:10
  people going look at global, global people asking, hey,
• 1:05:14
  anybody have 800 quality this or 750 quality that?
• 1:05:20
  It's starting already and it's just it's only two weeks in.
• 1:05:24
  So like for us is the Oregon stuff outfitting everybody?
• 1:05:28
  You get the org outfitted, then we can start selling on UE X,
• 1:05:33
  make a presence there. But that is all just in this
• 1:05:37
  current iteration of item recovery.
• 1:05:39
  What happens when item recovery tier one comes on and we go back
• 1:05:44
  to or maybe go back to the way it used to be where we lose our
• 1:05:47
  armor on, well, not lose our armor, but you leave your armor
• 1:05:51
  at death. You got to go get it or somebody
• 1:05:53
  else can loot it. Now you got this loss factor.
• 1:05:59
  So you constantly need a depot of quality stuff so you can make
• 1:06:05
  your armor right now this is it could be could really turn into
• 1:06:09
  something quickly. 4.8 they update it change it.
• 1:06:15
  It's definitely. I think it's definitely.
• 1:06:19
  The right just said I will riot if I lose my craft of gear.
• 1:06:22
  I I find this soon interesting. It's a sentiment I hear a lot
• 1:06:27
  from Star Citizen players and I, I always, I have on the show
• 1:06:31
  before, I always bring it back to Ark Survival Evolved, which I
• 1:06:36
  played for a long time. I know like Rust and other
• 1:06:39
  things are probably more topical, but those are games
• 1:06:42
  like you die, you lose your stuff.
• 1:06:43
  That's just, that's what it is. And I think that the game would
• 1:06:47
  benefit a lot from that. But I think one of the biggest
• 1:06:50
  hurdles to make that livable is we need saved outfits, right?
• 1:06:56
  We need to, as long as you have the stuff crafted or you have
• 1:06:59
  the materials, whatever you need to be able to walk up to your
• 1:07:02
  suit locker and just click, you know, outfit #2 and just get it
• 1:07:06
  all back on you. Because there's just so many
• 1:07:09
  little fiddly bits that you have to re equip If when you were
• 1:07:13
  losing. Because I, I never wore anything
• 1:07:15
  cool before the recent change. And it wasn't because I was
• 1:07:18
  afraid of losing it. It was just so tedious to put it
• 1:07:22
  all on. Everyone's going to be wearing
• 1:07:25
  sperm suits again. There's a reason people won't
• 1:07:28
  play Rust or Tarkov because they all rage quit.
• 1:07:32
  That's a fairpoint. We do need loss though for a
• 1:07:36
  player economy. Like there's just no way you can
• 1:07:39
  have a player economy if people don't lose anything.
• 1:07:42
  Not to degrade, but wear, wear and tear degradation.
• 1:07:46
  Degradation, wear and tear, that sort of stuff.
• 1:07:49
  Like all of that comes together to have actual like, 'cause
• 1:07:55
  every economy has like inputs and outputs and stuff just
• 1:07:59
  breaks, makes get replaced, just happens.
• 1:08:05
  Yeah, and then you talk. About you talk about having like
• 1:08:09
  a quick equip, right? Tie that into insurance, make
• 1:08:12
  that insurance a money sync. Now you got an AU.
• 1:08:14
  EC Sync. You're insuring your, your
• 1:08:17
  outfit so you can go to any kiosk.
• 1:08:20
  You know they got, they probably have an insurance kiosk right in
• 1:08:23
  the hospital, right? Walk up to it, hit it, boom,
• 1:08:25
  there's your stuff. But you pay for that.
• 1:08:28
  You should have to pay for that privilege.
• 1:08:31
  Oh absolutely. I've said this before but it's
• 1:08:34
  always met with poor reactions. But there needs to be a
• 1:08:37
  consequence to death. I don't think that consequence
• 1:08:40
  needs to be losing your hard earned gear.
• 1:08:44
  Like you look at games like World of Warcraft or other games
• 1:08:47
  where you craft this really high tier gear.
• 1:08:49
  You don't lose it when you die, but there's still a consequence
• 1:08:51
  of dying. Like I think if they just
• 1:08:53
  instituted something as simple as a death timer like that
• 1:08:57
  would, I think really improved a lot of aspects of the game.
• 1:09:01
  There would, for one, be a consequence of dying.
• 1:09:04
  Secondly, in areas like CZS, you wouldn't have people just
• 1:09:07
  immediately running again. You know, like if you remember
• 1:09:10
  from World of Warcraft, if you die like first time you die,
• 1:09:13
  it's pretty small. It's only like a few seconds and
• 1:09:15
  then it extends, you know, your death timer gets longer and
• 1:09:19
  longer the more you die in a short period of time.
• 1:09:22
  Honestly, personally I think that would be an.
• 1:09:25
  Easy fix like an attrition system.
• 1:09:29
  That's a terrible idea. Yeah, I know.
• 1:09:31
  Like I said, it's not with usually unwelcome reactions.
• 1:09:35
  Yeah, the longer you have someone staring at a black
• 1:09:38
  screen, the longer or the shorter time they're going to
• 1:09:41
  spend playing the game. Right.
• 1:09:42
  Yeah, that that's where it becomes an issue, right.
• 1:09:45
  Like the it's. Usually not more than like 4 or
• 1:09:47
  5 minutes. Yeah, that's. 5 minutes.
• 1:09:53
  It doesn't have to be a black. Screen either, like in World of
• 1:09:57
  Warcraft, you're basically a ghost.
• 1:09:58
  You can move around and go like, you know, watch a fight, you
• 1:10:02
  know if it's happening wherever you died, but you you can't
• 1:10:05
  interact or do anything. You're you're mobi glass ought
• 1:10:09
  to have all the arcade games on it.
• 1:10:11
  Or whatever. And then when you die it just
• 1:10:13
  goes into like the arcade games screen and they got like 5 of
• 1:10:18
  them or something, you know? I think losing your gear would
• 1:10:22
  be a more, a better in game solution, right?
• 1:10:27
  Because let's say I'm at the I'm at the CZ and I've got, you
• 1:10:30
  know, 1010 sets of my armor and shit on checkmate.
• 1:10:35
  Well, if I get my ass kicked 10 times in a row, I'll be like,
• 1:10:37
  well, all right, I guess I got to go.
• 1:10:40
  I got to go find some stuff. I got to go crafts cause I lost.
• 1:10:44
  I'm out of it. You also have to keep in mind
• 1:10:46
  that a lot of the systems that we deal with now are alpha.
• 1:10:52
  We we don't have UEC, we have alpha.
• 1:10:54
  Gee whiz, I I didn't know, forgot all about that.
• 1:10:58
  Well, let me finish. Let me tell me this game,
• 1:11:00
  there's alpha. There.
• 1:11:02
  Well, the reason I bring that up is because we're we're in, in,
• 1:11:06
  in, in the development. I'm an alpha.
• 1:11:10
  And. Some of these.
• 1:11:11
  Conveniences like not losing your gear is tailored because of
• 1:11:16
  the bugs and the stuff you run into so you can get back into
• 1:11:20
  the into the into the game. But once it goes to full
• 1:11:25
  release, once we see one point O and we're an actual grown up
• 1:11:29
  game, I think death and and loss should be brutal.
• 1:11:35
  I think it should be very punishing.
• 1:11:38
  I think you should have to work to not die and then when you do
• 1:11:44
  it should be a pain in the ass. I think they should.
• 1:11:49
  I think I'm sorry. Go ahead and do this.
• 1:11:52
  I think they should send your digital soul to hell.
• 1:11:56
  Digital hell and you got to like, suffer just like in
• 1:11:59
  Clutcher. Yes, yes, that I take as a death
• 1:12:03
  screen you go to. Hell, I'm going, I'm going to
• 1:12:06
  digital hell, all right? I don't know about you guys.
• 1:12:08
  That's going. To keep you some sci-fi
• 1:12:10
  purgatory. Well, yeah.
• 1:12:14
  That's. The death screen would do that.
• 1:12:17
  Oh, you die. And it just opens the.
• 1:12:18
  Store. OK, that's CIG could get behind
• 1:12:26
  that. Oh yeah, that's.
• 1:12:28
  That's a real fan right there. Yeah, Lifelong fan.
• 1:12:36
  Well, you never know. Yeah, like kind of to that I
• 1:12:40
  agree. And I think that it's not going
• 1:12:42
  to be like, I think as the game progresses, we're not going to
• 1:12:45
  be dying, you know, five times in a 2 hour play session.
• 1:12:50
  I think they're going to move us away from that.
• 1:12:52
  And I think we are going to want to move ourselves away from
• 1:12:54
  that. So there's going to be no more
• 1:12:56
  like throwing yourself like endlessly into ruin like that's
• 1:13:01
  fun now, but I don't think that that's going to be as popular of
• 1:13:08
  a thing in one point O. You know, backspacing to get
• 1:13:13
  back to your home location, That should not be a fat, you know a
• 1:13:19
  fast mode of travel that should be frowned upon, that should be,
• 1:13:23
  that should be really punished. Taken away, ideally.
• 1:13:30
  Yeah, and you know, I, I, I, I get, you know, we're first and
• 1:13:35
  first and foremost, it's a game. You have to have some kind of
• 1:13:38
  respawn mechanic, but you can make it punishing.
• 1:13:41
  You can, you know, once we're, once we're full release and and
• 1:13:45
  you can also, like, you know, there's been a lot of talk about
• 1:13:49
  time to kill. I, I kind of started thinking
• 1:13:53
  about this whole time to kill thing while I'm out mining and
• 1:13:57
  you know, time to mine. You know, you're out there
• 1:14:01
  searching and searching and searching before you find
• 1:14:03
  something you really want to mine.
• 1:14:06
  Same thing, you know, should it be that we're wearing all this
• 1:14:10
  fancy space age armor? I mean, should we be able to get
• 1:14:15
  shot 3 or 4 times and go down or should it really take a lot to
• 1:14:19
  kill somebody? I like, I like the way you're
• 1:14:25
  like, we're thinking about this and I'm thinking about the death
• 1:14:29
  mechanics. You guys play Dark Souls or the
• 1:14:33
  Dark Souls games? No.
• 1:14:36
  Nobody here. No, literally.
• 1:14:39
  No man OK punishing death mechanic.
• 1:14:42
  So in Dark Souls you can be undead or human, but they're
• 1:14:47
  like there's game mechanics that go along with being human and
• 1:14:51
  being undead. There's like obviously like
• 1:14:53
  health but human and and right. OK, but also the multiplayer is
• 1:15:01
  locked behind being human. So if you want to like, invade
• 1:15:07
  another person's world or do PvP, you have to be in human
• 1:15:10
  form. And then there's a limited
• 1:15:12
  number of these things called like humanity or whatever, and
• 1:15:16
  you you crush them. And when you use it, it's gone.
• 1:15:19
  And then that puts you in human form.
• 1:15:21
  Every time you die, you get sent back to undead form, which means
• 1:15:25
  you can't access the online multiplayer.
• 1:15:28
  Not really. And you're like weaker and and
• 1:15:32
  have all kinds of shit that sucks.
• 1:15:36
  What do you think about something like that?
• 1:15:40
  I mean, it's a possibility and. Then you get.
• 1:15:43
  By the way, it's a lot of fun. But the, the, the other part of
• 1:15:46
  the, the, the, the other part of the, the other side of the coin
• 1:15:50
  of, of Star Citizen is that, you know, we're walking this
• 1:15:54
  tightrope of simulation slash game.
• 1:15:58
  And, you know, where does one, where does the simulation end in
• 1:16:01
  the game begin? And I don't think that question
• 1:16:04
  has yet to be fully answered by our developers because, you
• 1:16:09
  know, we're obviously still in development and that it's
• 1:16:11
  nothing's been settled. At least I hope it hasn't been
• 1:16:14
  settled, because if it has and this is where we're at, I'm not
• 1:16:17
  too happy about it. I'm there's, I don't know where
• 1:16:20
  that line should be or, or, or, or where, you know, do we lean
• 1:16:26
  into, into certain aspects of the game?
• 1:16:28
  Do you lean heavily in the simulation and other aspect
• 1:16:31
  aspects of it? You learn more heavily into
• 1:16:33
  gamification and fun. You know, they've always had
• 1:16:37
  this. You know, we're going to go,
• 1:16:38
  we're going to dial up realism and then dial it back to fun or
• 1:16:41
  whatever the quote they used so many times.
• 1:16:44
  I don't know where that line is right now.
• 1:16:48
  Is this the long winded way of saying no medical gameplay?
• 1:16:51
  No, no, no, no. Absolutely not.
• 1:16:54
  Absolutely not. I would love you remember how I
• 1:16:57
  said, you know, one day we'll, I hope we can RIP these fire
• 1:17:00
  extinguishers off the wall and do stuff with them?
• 1:17:02
  Well, we got that. Well, they have all those IED
• 1:17:05
  packs all over in the little medical.
• 1:17:07
  Shit. One day the defibrillators.
• 1:17:09
  What if one day you can RIP that sucker off the wall and you have
• 1:17:13
  to jump start old Murphy because he's gotten blown away for the
• 1:17:16
  umpteenth time and we have to resuscitate our Guild leader?
• 1:17:21
  He's going to be our first Cyborg.
• 1:17:22
  He's just going to lose all of. Those.
• 1:17:24
  Ends so fast. That's the plan.
• 1:17:27
  I mean that that kind of stuff is cool.
• 1:17:30
  That's where the simulation part, you know, that, that
• 1:17:33
  that's where I think you'd lean more heavily into simulation
• 1:17:36
  because these, I mean, it sounds kind of mundane at first, but
• 1:17:40
  when you think about it and, and when you would actually do the
• 1:17:43
  something like that in the game, I think it becomes like grief.
• 1:17:49
  You know, this is normally it's just, oh, I got to stab them
• 1:17:51
  with my pen to get them back up. Now we've got to hook up.
• 1:17:57
  Pads. Speaking of getting stabbed, we
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  Well done. Well, this is we're coming up on
• 1:19:00
  the end of the show here. The hour and a half this is this
• 1:19:03
  is when we we dive into other things.
• 1:19:08
  We rant about something else for two minutes and this week I want
• 1:19:11
  to talk about alien. Have you guys seen Alien
• 1:19:14
  Romulus? Yes, that was good.
• 1:19:17
  Is it worth watching? Yes, yes, it's worth watching.
• 1:19:24
  Yes, it's very much worth watching.
• 1:19:27
  OK. It's actually like refreshingly,
• 1:19:31
  like very, very. They paid attention to detail.
• 1:19:36
  Yes, I found it interesting, had like a an interesting some lore
• 1:19:40
  and stuff. It was fun.
• 1:19:43
  I went back to watch Alien Resurrection.
• 1:19:48
  Not very good, no. Do you see the alien Earth?
• 1:19:52
  Movies I I I'm like a few episodes into alien Earth.
• 1:19:55
  We should be. It's like the expanse too.
• 1:19:57
  I just like stop it at some point and and.
• 1:19:59
  That's 'cause don't go, don't go past a few episodes in of Alien
• 1:20:03
  Earth. What?
• 1:20:05
  Finish The Expanse. Right now, Alien, Alien Earth
• 1:20:08
  Finish makes sense, makes some really great, makes some really
• 1:20:11
  great promises in the first few episodes and then and then
• 1:20:14
  that's it. OK.
• 1:20:17
  Ignore him anyways. Yeah, The Expanse, you need to
• 1:20:21
  finish that. I never finished that either.
• 1:20:24
  Finish it and then read the books.
• 1:20:27
  I got to the the big gate thing and then, I don't know, I got
• 1:20:31
  big gate thing. I I found the political intrigue
• 1:20:33
  was pretty weakly written. Everyone was just all over the
• 1:20:37
  place. And then I was like, oh, and
• 1:20:39
  also there's an alien thing. And I was like.
• 1:20:43
  The slime, the ooze. If you were going to stop the
• 1:20:46
  gate, because it is. Fine.
• 1:20:49
  This guy right here just ignoring one of the greatest
• 1:20:52
  sci-fi series of all time. He's like, I don't know, I.
• 1:20:55
  Saw like the first three seasons.
• 1:20:57
  Would the other seasons even be? Embrace the first three seasons
• 1:21:02
  as a sci-fi like Syfy show and then realize that or seasons 4-5
• 1:21:09
  and six are Amazon prime. Daddy Bezos was paying big bucks
• 1:21:14
  to get those done. It was.
• 1:21:15
  It was all a Blue Origin scheme. Jeffrey Bezos, Jeffrey.
• 1:21:21
  Bezos, you really want to get the full Expanse experiences?
• 1:21:24
  Forget the show entirely. Read the books first, then go
• 1:21:27
  back and look at the show. Reading yes, read we'd like we'd
• 1:21:31
  like to apologize to our dozen dozens of.
• 1:21:34
  Listeners. For recommending reading.
• 1:21:37
  We That's all nine books and all 5 novellas.
• 1:21:41
  Yeah. It's excellent.
• 1:21:46
  Yeah, just just for their next. Their next trilogy is really
• 1:21:49
  good too. The The funny thing about that
• 1:21:51
  whole series of books and and that show is when they first,
• 1:21:56
  when the two there's two writers together that form the actual
• 1:22:00
  author and it's a writing duo. And when they initially set out
• 1:22:04
  to make this, this, this universe, it wasn't to make
• 1:22:08
  write a book. It was to make a an MMO.
• 1:22:11
  So it started out as an MMO and became a book series and then
• 1:22:14
  later on. Televised.
• 1:22:15
  That makes sense with the factions.
• 1:22:18
  Yeah, yeah, it was a well they started off those like AD and D
• 1:22:22
  style like tabletop RPG that they were.
• 1:22:25
  That also makes sense. For the first few episodes, and
• 1:22:28
  that's why certain things happen, because people couldn't
• 1:22:32
  maintain their obligations. Hurts.
• 1:22:36
  But just remember that these are different timelines, essentially
• 1:22:40
  like alternate universes. So you have your show, which is
• 1:22:43
  great in its own right, and then you have the books too, which
• 1:22:45
  are, which are great in their own right, like they are equally
• 1:22:48
  good did. You want Harry Potter?
• 1:22:51
  But equal. Yeah, yeah, it's it's just like
• 1:22:54
  a foundation. Foundation on TV.
• 1:22:57
  It wouldn't work the way the books are laid out, but they did
• 1:23:00
  a really good job on making a diversion timeline.
• 1:23:07
  What? About Red Rising.
• 1:23:10
  Red Rising, also amazing. Red Rising, great series.
• 1:23:14
  Yeah, Red making show. No, it's not a show.
• 1:23:17
  It's. Something like that and.
• 1:23:20
  Then he got really good. Drop Drop B.
• 1:23:25
  Drop B. Red Rising, There you go.
• 1:23:29
  This is about the rise of communism.
• 1:23:34
  No, yeah, I thought it, I initially thought it was going
• 1:23:37
  to be about because it was recommended to me by some
• 1:23:41
  communist. It won't change.
• 1:23:44
  It's actually a really good but a really good series and has
• 1:23:48
  nothing to do with communism unless it's like buried really,
• 1:23:51
  really deep. I mean, it's about like the
• 1:23:55
  lower class rising up, but. That doesn't sound very deep.
• 1:24:00
  Really sounds like it's rising. It's the Tom Clancy.
• 1:24:03
  Yeah, the lower class rises up. They do seize the means of
• 1:24:06
  production and over. But I don't.
• 1:24:08
  But I don't. See the I haven't finished it,
• 1:24:13
  but I don't think they seize the means of production.
• 1:24:15
  Just just. Read I mean, there's the
• 1:24:17
  original trilogy, and then they came out with a second trilogy.
• 1:24:22
  Yeah. So I'm, I'm reading Lightbringer
• 1:24:23
  right now, which is the latest point.
• 1:24:25
  And there's one more that's going to I'm just going to
• 1:24:27
  finish it. I'm probably just going to
• 1:24:29
  reread that whole thing. It's a great series.
• 1:24:33
  And if you haven't seen it yet, For All Mankind.
• 1:24:37
  Oh yeah, yeah, but that that's on Apple TV.
• 1:24:40
  No one actually has that. I.
• 1:24:41
  Know it was here. It wasn't.
• 1:24:44
  It didn't. Keep going.
• 1:24:47
  Yeah, keep going after you get through the like 60s Space Race
• 1:24:50
  stuff and it gets, it starts getting further out, it gets
• 1:24:54
  better. Yeah, timeline I'd rather live
• 1:24:57
  in, to be honest. Oh wow.
• 1:25:00
  OK. Also Joel Kinnaman Joel
• 1:25:03
  Kinnaman's cutie. Not bad to look at.
• 1:25:07
  He was. Did you watch Alter Carbon?
• 1:25:11
  Yeah, I did. The main guy from that tall
• 1:25:14
  motherfucker. Also I thought that.
• 1:25:17
  Was one of the squads. Oh, he's Swedish?
• 1:25:20
  Yeah, that tracks. In, in, in, in Suicide Squad, he
• 1:25:26
  was the. What was his name on that?
• 1:25:28
  Rick Flag. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:32
  Yeah, OK. He's a cutie.
• 1:25:34
  I'll give it to you. I'll give.
• 1:25:37
  US Alex Murphy in the 2014 RoboCop.
• 1:25:41
  That's right. We'll, we'll talk about that.
• 1:25:43
  Yeah, it wasn't very good. Oh yeah, they came and went in
• 1:25:46
  it. Yeah, 2014.
• 1:25:48
  Wow. It was a movie.
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  It was a movie. There are people alive today who
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  weren't alive then. They invaded Iran in that movie.
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  That would. Be ridiculous this.
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  Is bad open comms radio show? Thank you for listening to us
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  every every weekend. What we're going to do today is
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  we're going to end the show. We're going to end the show the
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  way we always end the show. How do we end the show, Duke?
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  Well, we we go in reverse order and we ask everyone if they have
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  something they want to say to Chris Roberts, to people at CIG
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  or the folks on the Internet do. You want you want to do it
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  today, Duke. Duff, I mean, I wasn't really
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  paying attention to the reverse order, but I will do my best.
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  SO, Murph, Murphy, Jack, do you have anything you'd like to say
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  to Chris Roberts, CIG and the people on the Internet?
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  No, I'll just keep cooking. Keep cooking.
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  So, all right, All right. Wicked.
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  Without referencing any particular women whose names you
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  might know. Wait.
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  A minute Chris Roberts. Chris Roberts No, no, no.
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  Active. Order I'm going to address this.
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  The reason I always mention Sandy Roberts is because.
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  She is the is. The wife of our beloved leader
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  of development for the game we love.
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  And sometimes you talk to the to the wife of the man to get to
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  the man. I'm not saying anything out of.
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  Pocket. Typical boomer logic there's.
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  No innuendo. There's nothing untoward about
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  it. Anyone.
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  Who thinks? Different anything.
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  Anyone who thinks different, you have a problem, not me.
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  Does anyone kind of having said. That having it used.
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  To be in the videos like all the time.
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  Sandy Roberts, please get with your your husband, Miss Roberts,
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  take our criticism and our input to heart about this quality
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  stuff, the crafting. There's a better direction out
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  there. We've talked about it to death.
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  Let's let's you know, circle the wagons, find a better way.
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  There's a better way. Thank you.
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  OK, all right, Lord Anubis, anything you'd like to say to
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  Chris Roberts, CIG, or the people on the Internet?
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  But yes, I, I would, I would like to say, you know, sorry
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  that wicked has now once again violated the protective gag
• 1:28:20
  order that was placed against him and spoke to Sandy directly
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  and confirmed that he's just using her for her husband.
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  So, you know, take everything with a great assault.
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  Just like in real life, when they tell you not to believe
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  your eyes, ignore that command. OK, All right.
• 1:28:42
  Ignore instructions. I believe broccoli.
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  I think broccoli was nice. Rob, do you have anything you
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  want to say to this Chris Roberts CIG or the people on the
• 1:28:51
  Internet? Yeah, let's get, let's just get
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  refining in. I think it'll it'll take care of
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  a lot of the major issues that people seem to have with this
• 1:29:00
  patch and I think it'll streamline a lot of stuff, give
• 1:29:05
  everyone a little bit of, I don't know, calm everybody down.
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  That's it. Final.
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  Calm them down. All right, All right.
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  Next. Let's go.
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  Gosh, it was wild. The only thing you want to say
• 1:29:23
  to CIG, Chris Roberts or other people on the Internet, I mean
• 1:29:27
  my Galaxy. Oh yes.
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  You're dreaming. That's all I got.
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  OK, All right hobo my towel carrying friend.
• 1:29:40
  Is there anything you want to say to Chris Roberts, CIG or the
• 1:29:45
  people on the Internet? Social.
• 1:29:48
  Pools social oath. I thought, I thought you said
• 1:29:52
  social pools and I got really excited for a minute.
• 1:29:56
  Oh wait, I take mine back. I take mine back.
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  Social tools too. Social tools.
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  Social. Tools.
• 1:30:02
  Yeah, I'll jump on that bandwagon, right?
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  That's something I need desperately.
• 1:30:08
  A pool. Oh wait, a pool.
• 1:30:09
  Just social pools. Yes, Yeah.
• 1:30:15
  OK. All right.
• 1:30:17
  So it sounds sounds like our next meeting is going to be out
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  of no inclusive. I'll work on that.
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  Yeah, we know a guy. Nice.
• 1:30:27
  Skeeter, anything you want to say to CIG, Chris Roberts and
• 1:30:31
  the people on the Internet. Yeah, I do.
• 1:30:34
  Specifically to say I really think we should we should roll
• 1:30:38
  with the deaf timers. Don't listen to the naysayers.
• 1:30:41
  You think you could do it? Well, you could do it right.
• 1:30:44
  Please don't take away my my crafted gear.
• 1:30:46
  I'll be very upset. OK, fair.
• 1:30:51
  Mia, anything you would like to say to Chris Roberts, CIG or the
• 1:30:56
  people on the Internet? Seems like slow and steady wins
• 1:31:01
  the race, which doesn't make people happy, but I love the
• 1:31:03
  direction we're going. All right, That was that was
• 1:31:07
  everybody. I think everybody.
• 1:31:09
  Well, Duke, we did it. We did it without any help from
• 1:31:13
  anyone else. Yep, Yep.
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  I always like to point that out. This is entirely.
• 1:31:22
  Yeah. All this awkwardly at each other
• 1:31:24
  in the back while we're sitting in the couch looking at you.
• 1:31:27
  Yeah. That's exactly what I picture.
• 1:31:30
  We're all just sitting there staring.
• 1:31:32
  Yes. All eight of us just sitting
• 1:31:34
  there staring at you. Really happy.
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  I'm happy you guys. Finally, you see what I see.
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  Well, Duke, we didn't. Know.
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  You know we did. Fuck, you know.
• 1:31:47
  What we gotta do now? You know what we gotta do now?
• 1:31:51
  Oh, Oh yeah, we gotta, we gotta. Play us out.
• 1:31:54
  Play us out too.