Latest / Brian Thomas / IHeartMedia Aviation Expert Jay Ratliff talks about the week in aviation
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Many things to be thankful for. To be otherwise, brother,
- 0:02Speaker 1: you know that is I know it's been a very
- 0:03Speaker 1: good day.
- 0:04Speaker 2: That's why I love the post you put up on
- 0:06Speaker 2: Facebook because always have this inspirational positive message. You know,
- 0:09Speaker 2: there's always something positive you can focus on, and that's
- 0:12Speaker 2: why I like you so much. You're good man. Jay
- 0:15Speaker 2: Rat left and what happened to Southwest? Real quick? Your
- 0:19Speaker 2: curve all time? Last time you were on you were talking.
- 0:21Speaker 2: I think it was Spirit Airlines who was getting rid
- 0:23Speaker 2: of reclining seats or you had to pay extra for them.
- 0:26Speaker 1: Well, actually that's West Jets West and yeah, west Jet
- 0:30Speaker 1: in Canada. They're kind of the Southwest Airlines, if you will,
- 0:33Speaker 1: of Canada to a smaller version. They're premium seats, are
- 0:38Speaker 1: seats that we can pay extra for if we want,
- 0:41Speaker 1: if you want to really like the premium service of reclining. Yes, exactly.
- 0:45Speaker 2: But Southwest just has redesigned their interiors of all some
- 0:49Speaker 2: of their airplanes anyway, and they're now switching to brand
- 0:52Speaker 2: new Riccaro R two seats featuring multi adjustable headrest, kitchen,
- 0:56Speaker 2: integrated tablet and phone holder in the rear and in
- 0:59Speaker 2: seat power with integrate USBA and Sports. Sounds like they're
- 1:02Speaker 2: going the opposite direction. Didn't they pay attention to making
- 1:05Speaker 2: us more miserable in order to make more money?
- 1:08Speaker 1: Jay, Well, you know, but part of this is also
- 1:10Speaker 1: so they can put in their premium seats, which are
- 1:13Speaker 1: things that they are just now doing, because they've got
- 1:16Speaker 1: the assigned seats that are coming up, and they've got
- 1:18Speaker 1: the premium seats where you can pay to sit in
- 1:21Speaker 1: a seat that's got a little bit more leg room
- 1:23Speaker 1: because Southwest really learned a couple of years ago that
- 1:27Speaker 1: they really needed to start paying attention to the fact
- 1:29Speaker 1: that there's a segment of the traveling pump population that's
- 1:33Speaker 1: willing to pay above and beyond what they would normally
- 1:36Speaker 1: pay for an airfare for a more comfortable seat with
- 1:40Speaker 1: more legram. And I love the fact they're going to
- 1:42Speaker 1: assigned seating that means no more of these wheelchairs out
- 1:45Speaker 1: the door type of thing where people are just trying
- 1:47Speaker 1: to get on early. But the idea that you're going
- 1:50Speaker 1: to have the ability to have a premium seat, which
- 1:52Speaker 1: is a little bit larger seat, a little bit more legram, well,
- 1:55Speaker 1: I don't think the seat's larger, but you've got more legroom.
- 1:57Speaker 1: More pitched between rows is going to be a great thing.
- 2:00Speaker 1: Because Delta and United reported earnings recently and they were
- 2:05Speaker 1: incredibly strong, and they credited this the premium seats that
- 2:10Speaker 1: they've been selling and how popular they have been, and
- 2:14Speaker 1: how they continue to make that one of their their
- 2:17Speaker 1: primary you know, marketing points. And you know other airlines
- 2:20Speaker 1: are doing the same thing. They're recognizing that. Look, yeah,
- 2:23Speaker 1: cramming as many seats onto an aircraft as you can
- 2:26Speaker 1: is one thing. It's like that double decker aircraft, the
- 2:29Speaker 1: airbus A three eighty. If it's all coach configuration, no
- 2:33Speaker 1: business class, no first class, no premium seats, you can
- 2:36Speaker 1: put eight hundred people on that airplane.
- 2:38Speaker 2: Oh lord, I.
- 2:40Speaker 1: Think that's tempting fate. But that's another story. But that's
- 2:43Speaker 1: the first came from you got that right. So, but
- 2:49Speaker 1: you know, when when airlines start putting in the first
- 2:51Speaker 1: class seats, the business class, and then these premium seats,
- 2:55Speaker 1: which are the you know, the extra comfortable coach seats. Uh,
- 2:58Speaker 1: some airlines found out that the coat the premium coach
- 3:01Speaker 1: seats were more popular than some of their first class
- 3:04Speaker 1: seats and some of their business class. So we've actually
- 3:07Speaker 1: seen airlines over the last couple of years removing some
- 3:10Speaker 1: of the business class first class seats so they can
- 3:14Speaker 1: make more room to put more of these premium seats
- 3:16Speaker 1: in because even though they obviously sell them at a
- 3:19Speaker 1: reduced price versus what they took out, they can put
- 3:22Speaker 1: in more of those, and they sell those out much
- 3:25Speaker 1: more frequently than they do the seats that many times
- 3:27Speaker 1: they are just an upgrade for people with their frequent
- 3:30Speaker 1: flyer miles, where really, you know, they're not getting a huge,
- 3:36Speaker 1: you know, benefit from a revenue standpoint. So yeah, it's
- 3:39Speaker 1: fascinating to see this shift to premium seats. It doesn't
- 3:42Speaker 1: surprise me because as tough as it is to endure
- 3:45Speaker 1: travel these days, to pay a couple extra dollars to
- 3:47Speaker 1: sit in those premium seats, it's certainly the way.
- 3:50Speaker 2: To do it well, and almost a requirement considering society's
- 3:53Speaker 2: collective girth is increasing even as we speak. Got to
- 3:57Speaker 2: have room to put the person, and I would be
- 3:59Speaker 2: willing to pay extra for some space if I had
- 4:02Speaker 2: a girth issue. Pause from it will bring Jay Ratlif
- 4:05Speaker 2: back plenty to talk about with his massive A new
- 4:08Speaker 2: wreckon river near del High, kingram On fifty five K
- 4:13Speaker 2: the talk station. We've ever been in a cockpit before? Hey,
- 4:17Speaker 2: thirty eight fifty one air CD talk station returning with
- 4:21Speaker 2: iHeartMedia Aviation expert Jay Rattlift. You were one other thing right,
- 4:25Speaker 2: and again not on your list?
- 4:27Speaker 1: But how why reference what I send you? That's mine?
- 4:32Speaker 2: No, we'll get to all that. I just like to
- 4:34Speaker 2: build a.
- 4:34Speaker 1: Fit all the time your show, brother, you lead.
- 4:37Speaker 2: I don't want to have to go back and leave
- 4:40Speaker 2: myself to my own devices. I have you as a
- 4:42Speaker 2: vehicle to keep the conversation going. Jay, you know that's fine.
- 4:46Speaker 2: Pete Heggsa's flight had to divert. They a windshield got cracked.
- 4:51Speaker 2: How does a windshield get cracked? Or is this a
- 4:54Speaker 2: fairly common phenomenon. I'd never read about that before.
- 4:57Speaker 1: Well, you know, when when you're talking about a cockpit windshield,
- 5:01Speaker 1: you're talking about several different layers of protection. When you
- 5:06Speaker 1: look at it, because it's multi layered, it's obviously very
- 5:09Speaker 1: high strength, and there's a lot of times that this
- 5:13Speaker 1: this acrylic glass, if you will, can shatter. It's not
- 5:19Speaker 1: like it blows out, but it cracks. And when you're
- 5:22Speaker 1: in the cockpit, when that happens, it sounds like a
- 5:24Speaker 1: gun went off, but because of the fact it's multi layered,
- 5:28Speaker 1: a lot of times you've just got one layer of
- 5:30Speaker 1: those I think three that you have there that has
- 5:33Speaker 1: been impacted. So what happens is the plane normally will
- 5:37Speaker 1: make an unscheduled landing. It's not necessarily considered an emergency landing.
- 5:42Speaker 1: But the land because obviously the you're worried about the
- 5:46Speaker 1: rest of the windshield components, which even though they're in separately,
- 5:51Speaker 1: contains separately. It happens frequently. The biggest issue is if
- 5:55Speaker 1: they're landing, it could impair the pilot's ability to see
- 5:59Speaker 1: the sure an extent. But no, I mean it's they happen.
- 6:04Speaker 1: And when you look at the number of flights that
- 6:06Speaker 1: we have in the course of a day, a week,
- 6:08Speaker 1: a month, a year, I'm surprised we don't have more
- 6:11Speaker 1: occurrences of that taking place. But the pictures when you
- 6:14Speaker 1: do a Google image of the cockpit windshields when they
- 6:18Speaker 1: do this, yeah, it's something to look at for sure.
- 6:21Speaker 1: Fair Enough, in aviation terms, it's almost a non event,
- 6:26Speaker 1: other than the fact that if you're drinking coffee when
- 6:28Speaker 1: it starts, you might spill your coffee, because you get
- 6:31Speaker 1: it's quite a start because you've got that cockpit the
- 6:34Speaker 1: flight deck that's contained, so anything in there it echoes,
- 6:37Speaker 1: but at a much louder sound. And believe me, the
- 6:41Speaker 1: flight crew was made aware of it immediately when it.
- 6:43Speaker 2: Happened, I imagine, So so in addition to cleaning up
- 6:46Speaker 2: the coffee, you probably had to hit the restroom and
- 6:47Speaker 2: do a shorts change, at least I would anyway. But oh,
- 6:50Speaker 2: to Boeing, it looks like they're on the move in
- 6:53Speaker 2: terms of deliveries. They're increasing the deliveries behind air busts though,
- 6:57Speaker 2: but are they delivering planes that are set jay We hope.
- 7:01Speaker 1: So that is the plan, and normally Boeing an Airbus
- 7:05Speaker 1: it's fifty to fifty, but obviously with the production delays
- 7:08Speaker 1: that we've been talking about with Boeing, that's not been
- 7:10Speaker 1: the case for the last several years. But Boeing is
- 7:13Speaker 1: starting to close the gap. I was looking at the
- 7:16Speaker 1: numbers for Airbus. Airbus has delivered five hundred and sixty
- 7:19Speaker 1: eight aircraft to date and Boeing four hundred and forty.
- 7:24Speaker 1: Now that's a little bit closer than what it's been
- 7:26Speaker 1: of late, but what's really interesting, Brian, and we've talked
- 7:29Speaker 1: about this from time to time, is the backlog of airplanes. Now,
- 7:33Speaker 1: keep in mind, Airbus is hoping to deliver about nine
- 7:36Speaker 1: hundred airplanes this year. They have a backlog at Airbus
- 7:40Speaker 1: of eight thousand, seven hundred and sixteen jets that they
- 7:43Speaker 1: still have to build. Airbus has got the eighty seven hundred.
- 7:47Speaker 1: Boeing's backlog is sixty five hundred and thirty one jets
- 7:51Speaker 1: between them, that's fifteen thousand planes that have been ordered
- 7:56Speaker 1: that they have yet to be built and delivered. And
- 7:59Speaker 1: that's if you order a jet today, yeah, it's going
- 8:02Speaker 1: to be delivered sometime during the next presidential administration, because
- 8:06Speaker 1: it's going to take a long time. When you're cranking
- 8:08Speaker 1: out a thousand airplanes a year and you've got a
- 8:12Speaker 1: backlog of eighty seven hundred, Yeah, it's going to take
- 8:15Speaker 1: some time. And that's why a lot of times we
- 8:17Speaker 1: talked about why do one airline buy another airline because
- 8:21Speaker 1: the fact that if you want to increase the size
- 8:24Speaker 1: of your fleet, yeah, you can get in line with
- 8:26Speaker 1: everybody else, or you can go buy a Spirit or
- 8:29Speaker 1: somebody else and immediately increase your fleet. By a couple
- 8:33Speaker 1: hundred aircraft of the type that that you want to use.
- 8:36Speaker 1: So that's one of the reasons a lot of times
- 8:38Speaker 1: you'll see those acquisitions. It's not so much market based,
- 8:41Speaker 1: you like where they fly, the schedule type of thing.
- 8:43Speaker 1: It's the fact that you want the equipment that that
- 8:45Speaker 1: air airline saw or flies. But yeah, Boeing's making up
- 8:50Speaker 1: some distance there and yeah, we'll see if they can
- 8:53Speaker 1: continue to close that gap.
- 8:54Speaker 2: All right, Well, considering the data, the data of you know,
- 8:57Speaker 2: signing the contract to purchase and the data delivery decade,
- 9:01Speaker 2: what of all the technological advances that might occur of
- 9:04Speaker 2: that period of time, wouldn't you want the most state
- 9:06Speaker 2: of the art, safest, quietest, most efficient fuel wise aircraft?
- 9:09Speaker 2: And I got to imagine that type of research and
- 9:11Speaker 2: development is going on all the time. We've got a
- 9:13Speaker 2: lot quieter planes out in the world than we used to. So, yeah,
- 9:16Speaker 2: are you getting today? Like if I order in twenty
- 9:19Speaker 2: twenty five, is that the kind of technology I'm getting
- 9:21Speaker 2: in twenty thirty five when the thing shows up? Or
- 9:23Speaker 2: do you get the benefit of an improvements?
- 9:26Speaker 1: You do? Because what happens the avionics package is normally
- 9:29Speaker 1: one of the last things that they're going to be
- 9:30Speaker 1: putting in. So it's going to be the state of
- 9:31Speaker 1: the art of what you have a lot like the
- 9:33Speaker 1: power plane or the engines that you put on an
- 9:35Speaker 1: aircraft or are you know, towards the end of the
- 9:38Speaker 1: aircraft be being produced and installed. So that's one of
- 9:42Speaker 1: the things that you look at there. So, yeah, you
- 9:44Speaker 1: would be getting the benefit of that. That would be
- 9:46Speaker 1: almost insult to injury if you had to worry, if
- 9:49Speaker 1: you had to worry about getting an airplane, Yeah that
- 9:52Speaker 1: had a package of you know, ten years old on
- 9:55Speaker 1: some of its components. Yeah, that's not what we're after,
- 9:58Speaker 1: and fortunately that's not the case. But you know, these airplanes,
- 10:01Speaker 1: they continue to get more quiet, they continue to get
- 10:03Speaker 1: more fuel efficient, and they allowed the airlines to be
- 10:08Speaker 1: more profitable. And you know, one of the things that
- 10:10Speaker 1: blows my mind to this day is continuing to see
- 10:13Speaker 1: airlines like Delta in United that report quarterly profits of
- 10:19Speaker 1: more than a billion dollars. Delta just last week announced
- 10:23Speaker 1: their third quarter profit was one point four billion dollars
- 10:28Speaker 1: in the third quarter. United United was a much less
- 10:31Speaker 1: impressive nine hundred million, I think or so in the
- 10:33Speaker 1: third quarter. But Brian, what what just blows my mind
- 10:37Speaker 1: is I remember all the decades when airlines were losing
- 10:39Speaker 1: money like crazy. You couldn't get Warren Buffett to buy
- 10:42Speaker 1: an airline stock if you dared him. But what happened
- 10:46Speaker 1: was airlines have gotten to the point now where they're
- 10:48Speaker 1: using the credit cards and the other things to help
- 10:52Speaker 1: them make this money. From a revenue standpoint, last year,
- 10:55Speaker 1: the big four airlines made eight billion dollars in profit collectively,
- 10:58Speaker 1: those four. But when you look at the boring numbers
- 11:02Speaker 1: what we talk about the available seat miles per carrier
- 11:04Speaker 1: and the revenue generated per available seat mile, they're actually
- 11:08Speaker 1: losing money on the transportation side of the equation. Think
- 11:14Speaker 1: about that. If all they did was transportation and that
- 11:18Speaker 1: was the sole vein of their revenue stream, they would
- 11:22Speaker 1: be losing money in a lot of it. But because
- 11:24Speaker 1: they've got the ancillary fairs and those credit cards, you're
- 11:27Speaker 1: now seeing this revenue being generated at just an unbelievable pace.
- 11:32Speaker 1: And that's why you know, everybody's got a credit card
- 11:35Speaker 1: that's tied to miles and things of this nature. Whether
- 11:37Speaker 1: or not we use them or not another thing. But
- 11:39Speaker 1: that's where they're making this money from other resources in
- 11:43Speaker 1: additional revenue streams, and it's really become a multifaceted business
- 11:48Speaker 1: where you've got these multiple revenue streams that are contributing
- 11:51Speaker 1: to these un I mean, the idea that an airline
- 11:54Speaker 1: could make a billion dollars in profit in a year
- 11:57Speaker 1: was unthinkable a number of years ago. Now you've got
- 11:59Speaker 1: United doing it almost every quarter, as is Delta, and
- 12:03Speaker 1: it's mind boggling mind modeling.
- 12:05Speaker 2: Most notably that it isn't based upon the core function
- 12:08Speaker 2: of their business, which is air travel.
- 12:09Speaker 1: Why do that? You know, any business has multiple revenue streams,
- 12:13Speaker 1: they need to. But when you look at the fact that, hey,
- 12:16Speaker 1: we're in business to transport people, and just because of
- 12:19Speaker 1: the competition, thank God for the low cost carriers. That's
- 12:22Speaker 1: why anytime we get a low cost carrier in Cincinnati,
- 12:25Speaker 1: and we've had some recent news with Frontier and Allegiance
- 12:28Speaker 1: which has really been exciting at Cincinnati. I love it
- 12:31Speaker 1: because the stronger these low cost carriers are, the more
- 12:35Speaker 1: in check they keep these larger legacy carriers. And regardless
- 12:38Speaker 1: of which city I'm talking to across the country, when
- 12:41Speaker 1: they say, hey, Jay, we just landed a Breeze or
- 12:44Speaker 1: a Legion or Frontier. I'm thinking, great, make sure you
- 12:47Speaker 1: support them because they're the reason that we have these
- 12:50Speaker 1: low fares. If these airlines, like a Spirit and others
- 12:53Speaker 1: start to disappear from the landscape, we're toached because these
- 12:56Speaker 1: large legacy carriers will start to raise their their fare.
- 13:00Speaker 1: As we've seen before.
- 13:01Speaker 2: The old CDG. Yeah, the old CDG.
- 13:04Speaker 1: And that's what Well, we had no competition at the time,
- 13:06Speaker 1: no low cost carriers. So Frontier kind of broke that
- 13:09Speaker 1: model a number of years ago. Thank God for that,
- 13:11Speaker 1: bringing that one flight from Dayton that they had for
- 13:13Speaker 1: seven years down to Cincinnati to Denver and the next
- 13:16Speaker 1: thing you know, they're going crazy. Here comes Allegiant, here
- 13:18Speaker 1: comes everybody else. Right, So it's because of that, So
- 13:21Speaker 1: please continue to support those low cost carriers. And at
- 13:24Speaker 1: that the website at the Cincinnati Airport CBG Airport, you
- 13:28Speaker 1: can see where some of these new low cost carriers
- 13:30Speaker 1: are bringing him back some of their seasonal service, introducing
- 13:32Speaker 1: new service, and it's really some exciting things to see
- 13:35Speaker 1: and I'm thrilled that the community is supporting them as
- 13:39Speaker 1: we are.
- 13:39Speaker 2: Jay Ralip pause, We're ringing back for a real quick hit.
- 13:41Speaker 2: We'll end on a comical note and even though it
- 13:44Speaker 2: involves a sad and pathetic passenger and to get a
- 13:47Speaker 2: hub delay, don't go way right back s THEEP talk
- 13:50Speaker 2: station eight if you want, if you five care City
- 13:55Speaker 2: Talk Station closing another Thursday with one more second with
- 13:58Speaker 2: iHeartMedia aviation expert Jay Ratliffe from the Don't Be That
- 14:03Speaker 2: Guy file. We got another passenger attacking crew members. What's
- 14:06Speaker 2: this one all about, Jay, Yeah.
- 14:08Speaker 1: This is a don't be that woman story because this
- 14:11Speaker 1: was a sixty sixty one year old passenger that was
- 14:13Speaker 1: aboarded a Last Airlines flight. It was scheduled to fly
- 14:16Speaker 1: from Portland to Dallas. But during the course of the flight,
- 14:19Speaker 1: this woman started acting irrationally and flight attendants were trying
- 14:23Speaker 1: to come to her aid. Well that's when she struck them,
- 14:26Speaker 1: and that's all it took that she was immediately restrained.
- 14:29Speaker 1: Flight was diverted and you know it's bad when you
- 14:31Speaker 1: have to divert to Boise, Idaho, but that's where they
- 14:34Speaker 1: landed to get her off, and obviously the airline quickly
- 14:38Speaker 1: came out saying, you know, charges could be filed obviously,
- 14:42Speaker 1: you know, assaulting a flight attendant, and also that she'll
- 14:45Speaker 1: never be flying a Last Airlines ever again, which is good.
- 14:48Speaker 1: But then back to my overused comment that she can
- 14:52Speaker 1: still fly any other airline in the country she wants
- 14:54Speaker 1: to after assaulting a crew member, which should not be allowed,
- 14:58Speaker 1: but continues to be so. So one of these, Brian,
- 15:02Speaker 1: it's going to take something serious and that's when the
- 15:04Speaker 1: airlines are going to decide that that's when they need
- 15:06Speaker 1: to do it, at which point we'll be screaming why
- 15:08Speaker 1: did it take this long for us to make that
- 15:10Speaker 1: kind of a decision.
- 15:12Speaker 2: It's like our lithium battery discussions from time to time. Yeah,
- 15:15Speaker 2: wait till that happens on an eight hundred passenger airplane.
- 15:18Speaker 2: Jay Ratliff, let's hope, not hop, lee all right, as
- 15:22Speaker 2: we typically do or always do, if we can fit
- 15:24Speaker 2: in hub delays. How's it looking out there today for
- 15:26Speaker 2: air travel, one of.
- 15:28Speaker 1: The days of the week we've had to fly. I
- 15:30Speaker 1: think Salt Lake City is about the only hub that
- 15:33Speaker 1: I've been able to find from a weather standpoint that
- 15:35Speaker 1: could see some delays. Chicago may be late in the day,
- 15:39Speaker 1: but I think that's going to be minimal. I think
- 15:40Speaker 1: it's gonna be Salt Lake, and I don't think the
- 15:42Speaker 1: delays are going to be any more than thirty to
- 15:44Speaker 1: forty minutes there. So if you picked today, you picked
- 15:47Speaker 1: a great one, knowed from the good weather standpoint, but
- 15:49Speaker 1: probably a reduction in turbulence, which is also nice. But
- 15:52Speaker 1: that doesn't mean not to keep seat, bet On, please
- 15:54Speaker 1: do so. Is you flying fair enough?
- 15:55Speaker 2: But what I'm hearing is the government shut down, even
- 15:59Speaker 2: though it may impact air travel, controller salaries or something,
- 16:02Speaker 2: is not impacting air travel itself at least yet.
- 16:05Speaker 1: No. Last Friday we had thirty nine hundred flights that
- 16:09Speaker 1: were delayed, and a lot of that's being touted because
- 16:12Speaker 1: of the shutdown. Blah blah blah blah blah. But again,
- 16:14Speaker 1: to introduce facts to the story, the average number of
- 16:18Speaker 1: delays we've had this year has been forty one hundred
- 16:21Speaker 1: a day. We actually had fewer delays on the snapshot
- 16:25Speaker 1: I took on Friday than what we normally have, So
- 16:28Speaker 1: that would lend me to say, yes, we are having
- 16:30Speaker 1: pockets of problems. I won't discount that, But Brian, don't
- 16:33Speaker 1: tell me we're having a coast to coast problem. If
- 16:35Speaker 1: we have fewer delays now per day than what we
- 16:39Speaker 1: have normally.
- 16:41Speaker 2: Fair enough, Jay Rayliffe, thank you so much for joining
- 16:43Speaker 2: the program every week. I thoroughly enjoy our exchange and
- 16:47Speaker 2: the information we talk about, and I'll look forward to
- 16:49Speaker 2: next Thursday and another discussion between now and then. Best
- 16:52Speaker 2: of health and love to you and of course your
- 16:54Speaker 2: better half.
- 16:55Speaker 1: Same to you, my friend.
- 16:56Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks brother. It's a fifty four right now
- 16:58Speaker 2: if you get a chance to listen in