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Tugging Mbeumo I Ep: 93 · Draft Offsides Podcast

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Some things I love about your guys dynamic, one of them Tico
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is you get this really great face when you're about to poke
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at Enzo. Like before you say it, you have
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this like really shit eating grin.
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It was perfect. It's like you see it coming.
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Every day, mate. I know.
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Yeah, we've got you. I just, I already know it's
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coming. As soon as something said I'm
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not here, it comes. Hello, welcome to episode 93 of
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Draft Off Science. I'm with Tico and Enzo and Nate.
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My name is Keith and we have a, we have a different type of
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absolute for you today. We have we have our league
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champion on for one of our leagues and we're just going to
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ask him a few questions. It was his first year playing
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and he made a fool out of all of us.
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So we're going to see what his if he has any insights for us.
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Tigo, I was, I was this close to making a banner to match yours.
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By the way, I love that you do this.
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I was going to like draw on a piece of paper.
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I was like, it won't hold. Man, what have been funny?
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Would have been fun if you did it.
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We don't. A lot of tika did it.
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Yeah, and I agree also. I don't think you were quite on
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yet, but did you notice Tika was like, do you see what I put
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under my name and where I was like me and have been doing that
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since like the first week? You can.
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He was like all proud of himself.
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He figured out like a new. Little why he's not a real
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champion. It was a it was actually a very
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youth thing, and so it was like very like for discovering like
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monkey discovering fire type technology moment it.
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Was also me just showing what kind of mood I was in for that
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episode. So spend time on stuff like that
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instead of focusing on building a good fantasy team.
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That's why he doesn't have. Oh wait, don't worry, I told you
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Moneyball. OK.
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But OK, I feel like when you keep saying Moneyball, that's
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kind of the whole point of fantasy.
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Like you're like you're just, you're just what we're supposed
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to be doing. I'm going the next.
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What? You're going to be like, OK,
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who? Whose wife has recently gotten
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pregnant? Like.
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Who's getting divorced? Because Pep would have won the
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league this year if he wasn't getting divorced.
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Just saying. It was going on Twitter and
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following every soccer player, following them on this again
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just to see what the person following the wives.
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Already done that. That's what happened with Tuko
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when he was coaching Chelsea. He went through a divorce and
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then they started collapsing. So there's something there.
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Kyrie Allen, when he had that really that bad spell, it's
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because he had his having issues with his newborn son.
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It's it's very true. Or not to.
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I mean, again, I think you guys preface this.
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I think this is one of those questions you sent, but it was
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like Enzo Fernandez breaks up with his wife and just goes.
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That was that's like the inverse though, like that's you don't
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expect that, right? That's true.
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Just something that's traffic. Well I just realized he's your
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team mate. Well, this is going to be
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trouble. We also see that.
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Kidding. OK, no, that's that's my fair.
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That is actually the team I prefer.
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But you can't like I can't watch them.
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I can't get into like it's hard because it's hard to get them.
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I'm not a not, I don't have the Real Madrid, you know.
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Of being around Bush, Nate, I think it's.
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Been around, I think I wore this hot on purpose.
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Oh. God, Oh my God.
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Congratulations again. Second, for three years.
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Thank you. I do.
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We're we're. We're we're money balling it.
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Just he is an Arsenal fan. He has a pretty cool Arsenal
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hat. I got to say way better than
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thank you and. Better than what your brother
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has? Is that what you're going to
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say? I feel like you.
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Were no, he actually has the the jersey on the side, which is the
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the Ari Henry. My brother has that jersey since
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like forever with I think the old square on there.
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Yeah, yeah, those old school ones.
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Yeah, yeah. That's cool.
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All right, let's get in some news and notes before we start
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picking Nate's brain a little bit.
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First off, transfers. Actually, this is perfect
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because Nate's here. I've been hearing Gorkarez to
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Arsenal kind of heating up. Are you as an Arsenal fan, are
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you more or less excited than for that than Cesco?
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Do you have like any sort of like feelings for that either
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way? Because I, I have opinions now.
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I've given myself like a week and a half to like form opinions
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about what I what I think would be best, but I'm curious what
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you think. I feel like I should maybe
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preface that I like hijack 99% of what I think from other
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people. So like most of what I'll
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probably say throughout the day is like stolen.
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I mean, I think like a lot of what I've read or I've heard or
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I've listened to is like, you know, Cesco is the right long
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term approach or the right long term project, but can he be as
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impactful? And clearly Arsenal need, I
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mean, let's not beat around the Bush.
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They need like trophies now. So can Gorkarez produce more now
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and he produces more later? It might be the right long term.
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I don't I I haven't seen him much.
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I've actually seen a lot more of Gorkarez just because of a
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number of things I don't know about you guys.
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Have you seen much of Cesco outside of the Europas last
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year? Outside of a few YouTube
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compilations, not really. Yeah.
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Not really. But I think I think to to echo
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you, it's like 4 right now with Arsenal needs.
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I feel like Gorkarez is probably a better bet because Cesco's is
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a development project, right? And Gorcras is like, win next
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three years. And if you like this, teams
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aren't going to be together in five years potentially.
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You know when Cesco's, when Cesco's at his peak or at the
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point where he's going to be like in his prime, you know?
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Yeah. And again, I don't know what you
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guys hear about this, but it like he gets a lot of
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comparisons to like a young Isaac.
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And so it's like, yeah, we would love that.
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And yeah, he was probably our first choice if we could have
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got him, but obviously that's not happening.
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So it's like, do you wait three years at him developing into
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that, or do you hopefully get 25 goals from Gorgres?
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I think you said it, man. You don't want a young ISAC, you
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want the ISAC, right? Now, yeah.
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You don't want that. So like Arsenal needs someone
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that's going to score goals and even though Yokarez is already
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done in the Portuguese league, he's he's banged in some bloody
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goals. Yeah, so.
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That's what you guys need. I think that's the biggest
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concern though, is like you look at the last few like 10-15 years
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of strikers coming from the Portuguese league, it is like
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this, like it doesn't translate, you know, like you look like
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Darwinitez and you look at some of these other guys, like
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obviously I'm John Felix years ago.
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Like it's not like it's like like for like, like you.
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Just because you do it there doesn't mean you can do it in
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the other league. So there is that concern.
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I think that's where a lot of the hesitation comes, right?
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Because otherwise Gorkhas would have already been gone for 100
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plus bail. So you think fancy wise not
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worth to pick up even if he gets to Arsenal?
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Good question. I didn't say that.
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Good question. I think it'll be.
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Interesting. I think it's it's scary.
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I also just I don't know why it's only been narrowed to these
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two and I get it is now but like why awesome and hasn't been like
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a stronger pull? Why Arsenal doesn't seem to be
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able to attract like these bigger names at times Like it
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seems baffling. Small club, small club and we're
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all all, we're all thinking it, we're all thinking it.
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YouTube. YouTube fucks can say that you
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taught them supporter. I've got a, I've got a trophy,
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my man, and it's a European one too.
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It's like we're gonna come to this.
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We're gonna come to this later. I have thoughts about.
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This Oh yeah, moving on real quick, this I just saw this
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morning, Luis Diaz rejected a Liverpool contract, a new
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Liverpool contract. And that just gives me a lot of
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concern for that like the next like 2 months of speculation
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around him. Are you guys starting to feel
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that at all? Like as far as especially for
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fantasy, like if someone who's was potentially going late first
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round, early, mid second like I I'm not sure if I'm even
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remotely touching him now until there's some sort of clarity
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here. Well, he's doing.
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He's got one more year left. He's got 2, but no one wants to
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let, they don't want to let a contract run down to one year,
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you know? Yeah, but they could and.
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Choose the new one. He, you know he.
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Could be doing what Salah did, you know what I mean?
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He could be doing what Salah did.
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But I think the difference with him and Salah is like he it's
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like very clear he wants to go to Barcelona.
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Like that's like a. Very.
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Did he say that? It's like he's he wants to play
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in Barcelona eventually. In his life, he won't go there
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if Nico goes there because Nico's also said he'll play
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Barcelona. But Masala is also a club legend
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and one of the greatest players in the world, whereas Luis Diaz
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is Luis Diaz. But I've never heard Tico like
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suck Salah so hard until he had him on his fancy league.
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It is true, Tico. Yeah, was.
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Born in Egypt, I'm a Corder Egyptian.
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You found your identity through. He did.
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What's it called? I have a 23andMe to 20.
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Three and me just to yeah just to find that like some sort of.
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Connection 0.05% for getting DNA test nothing.
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But So what what's the what's the thing?
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How do you guys feel that? Is it not you're just it's just
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whatever. Like it's too early to be
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panicking. I.
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Think he still. I think he still plays for
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Liverpool this season. You think so?
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I think so. Even if you really look at this
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team, the only one on this little team I'd be a little bit
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worried about not getting minutes is probably shoppers
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like with IF. What's his name coming?
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In words, I'm so not convinced that they're going to play him
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that far back. I think he played plays along
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the front line. I just can't imagine them asking
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him to do a bunch of defensive work the way it's so besides as
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in that Liverpool team. So beside, there's a lot for
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that team. I don't think so.
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Beside gets benched. Yeah, I was, I was I was reading
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somebody said they might move into a diamond.
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So grabbing Birch at the back, McAllister so beside and put
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words up top and then left. Those two just go crazy.
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Salon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I kind of I, I know you're saying that.
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But also they're waiting like didn't they basically get 2
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insanely fast wing backs or one's done and they're like in
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potentially another? Wrapping up with quick guys yeah
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so it'll be yeah the whole team can change they can switch to a
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back the back three you know and then have the wing backs yeah it
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could be a whole different dynamic they're.
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Going to be scary good, scary good.
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Especially with, I mean there was 1 rumor that it's like it's,
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it's probably fake when I shared it in our our group chat.
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But it's that what was it that that Athletico was like talking
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about a swap deal with Nunez and Alvarez potentially like cash
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plus money for Nunez, which would then it feels like that
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would like break the league if Alvarez went to Liverpool.
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Yeah. But that's either here or there
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until that's a little firmer. OK, next, next one in Bueno.
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We were talking about it. It seems like it was the talks
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cooled off with Tottenham. Is that back on Enzo?
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Are you seeing that? Yeah, it looks like it's back on
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because Tone's Franks and it's just rumors though Yeah, money
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talks and then Bimbo is hungry for money so he's going to go to
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May and I, which is the Saudi of the of the league and get paid
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because we're not going to pay him 250 bags.
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Who's going to pay? I'm Tomlin comp.
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Tomlin doesn't even play Son enough.
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Money, I think they're like it's at one point is like Champions
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League is worth like how much is that worth for just his
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prestige? You know, like he would.
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Would he take 150 less a week, 100 less a week to play in
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Champions League? I wouldn't.
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I wouldn't. Would you?
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No, I don't know. No, no, that's not a biased
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answer. I would, I think, especially
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with the, especially with the rumours of if, because you'll
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get using it for first in football anyway.
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But if Son goes to Fenabacci, which is another rumour which I
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don't want to happen because it's only €30 million, he'd be
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the star man along Solanke. So and Madison, you say?
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He's going to play Champions League, but it's Champions
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League for only one year. It's not like he's going to be
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playing champions for like the next three years.
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It's just one year he gets to play Champions League and then
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he's back to the leader 5 for like 15 plays.
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We'll see. So I'm going to I'm going to
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poke a couple of these. There's some things I love about
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your guys dynamic. One of them Tico, is you get
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this really great face when you're about to poke at Enzo.
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Like before you say it, you have this like really shit eating
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grin. It was perfect.
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It's like you see it coming. Yes, every day mate.
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Yeah. Everything.
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I don't know. Yeah, we've called you.
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I just. I already know it's coming.
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As soon as something said I'm not here, we come.
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You can see it in his eyes all. Right.
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What about Semenyo as a like, would you be excited about both
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of them as I go to Tottenham? Because they're kind of in the
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mix too. If IMBWIMBO doesn't kind of
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happen, it sounds like both you know and Tottenham are fishing
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in the same pool. I wouldn't mind getting two out
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of three, you know what I mean? That'd be a pretty good window
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to get 2 of. Them yeah, yeah, yeah, two out
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of three that'll make me happy. Like obviously I prefer Eze and
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and Bwembo but I wouldn't mind Semenyo who's had a great season
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so. OK, What about for fantasy?
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Do you think that they could be just as good going to, I think
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just as good going to Tottenham? I feel like yes, Man United, I'm
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a little nervous about either of those, so.
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Yeah, I was going to say, here's a question.
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How did the Brentford players score?
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The attacking Bradford players score on the on the Frank.
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Incredibly well every year. Exactly so above where they
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should have for sure. I also just I mean, this is this
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again, pains me. Many things we'll talk about
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that pains me about being an Arsenal fan at the moment.
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But like, who would you rather be like all this upside you get
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Thomas Frank, young team, healthy team.
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Think about those three guys that you just named and Wemo
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Simeno, whoever the third was, and it's like, I would much
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rather be chasing those guys than anybody Arsenal was chasing
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like Tottenham. Big upside.
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I feel like I I cannot draft any of your players.
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I refuse to, but part of me is like I should go after all of
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them. So I feel about my United
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players right now. Yeah, I I, I bet that boat a
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long time ago. I just, I'll draft anyone of us.
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I don't care anymore. I can't, I can't have, I can't
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have loyal like club loyalties when it comes to that fantasy.
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It's weird. I think my passion for disliking
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Tottenham is more than my passion for Arsenal.
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So it's like weird in that way. I know, I know the.
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I know the feeling, I know the feeling I had, but I had habits
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last season, then he fucked me, so I won't be.
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Able to fucking drop that. But I'll see you.
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He's good. Until he wasn't.
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All right, real quick, Club World Cup.
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Did anyone watch the game last night?
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Actually, it was. It was.
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It was. Probably late for you.
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Yeah, yeah. It was partially good football.
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The other moment. 00. 00 But there was a penalties penalty
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saved actually that the, the, the other team that was an
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Egyptian, the Egypt, they were the Egyptian champions.
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They actually kind of dominated in a Miami fake, big chunks of
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that game. They had good good passages.
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Blade part to be honest. I honestly think that those
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those games are going to be the most fun, like like not involved
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in the European teams like the the European team games, I think
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might not be as good, but like all these those games where
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everyone all suddenly like cares a lot like, you know, like the
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Egyptian champions going in like today Bayern Munich is playing a
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team that is literally like a semi pro team from from New
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Zealand. Like how that's cool.
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Like that's a. Dentist on there?
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Yeah, like the like the leading striker, like works out like a
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tool shop. You know what the fuck?
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It's cool. I mean, it's kind of like a fun.
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It's like one of those. Yeah, I think it's.
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Like us going up and playing against into Miami.
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Well, no, they still they still like they still beat their they
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still win their region like saying us would be like.
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Yeah, but what if we want us our Little League on the Sunday?
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OK, then we'd be the best, we'd be the best team in like a a
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mile radius. But that's what I'm saying, it's
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this. It's just as bad.
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It's just on a global scale. I think that they'll be better
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than you think. Against Bayern.
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I think it'll be like 4 nil. I think if we played them it
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would be like 30 nil. I think I.
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Think the first half. I think we get a goal.
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I don't get at least one. Against against Byron Munich,
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yeah. We don't even go.
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We don't even get a shot on target.
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Even a shot. Not even on target, we don't
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even get a shot. If we gathered all our old
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teammates. And so don't.
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This is this is the conversation.
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If you got it, if you get half, I think that's a.
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Win, yeah, And we play. We do big Sam football big.
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Sam, if we get our team, uh huh in this magic able whatever that
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all of us are in our prime, physical prime and we're playing
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together. I was a specimen.
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We don't get a shot on target. I don't get a.
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Shot on it's it's the good guys are so big.
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No, no, no, you guys are so big. You put Frankie OK.
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We don't. We're not.
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We don't. Do this.
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OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. You saw?
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It a horrible conversation. No, you started, Keith.
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A couple of rumours I saw. So Fabrizio retweeted today that
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Garnacho is prioritizing staying in the Premier League.
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Not sure if it means I think I apparently moved to a buyer.
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Leverkusen is going to be very difficult.
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So he wants to stay in the Premier League.
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The other one is, I think last week I mentioned that Real
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Madrid are not done with the signings and the two names that
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I heard today in the morning is gonate from Liverpool.
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OK. Oh, Konade.
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OK. From Liverpool and then the
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other one impacts late is Maz Luis Kelly from Arsenal.
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Those are the two players is. That real are you?
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Are you just saying that feels like you're just going to Nate
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the shit? Is it a poke?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's real. I've heard that too.
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Actually. That would suck on.
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That would suck. Because I think we need a left
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back so. I'm sorry, why don't I get
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enjoyment out of I don't I? Don't know.
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No, I guess they weren't. They saying there were
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complications and because they were trying to redo him and Don
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Noir's deal and there's been complications in getting it
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done, of course, that's what. I want to pay him too.
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That growing like like, but I feel like it's a little too
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early to be going to a club like that for like a Lewis Kelly or
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something. Just really an odd decision.
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I also, not to get in a massive tangent, but I'm also sort of
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curious how often like these clubs like play the media game
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or the PR game just to like real somebody else in from their
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other stuff. We got to go close this thing or
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maybe they're just better at it. But as a fan, I'm like just like
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hyperbolic. 100 percent, 100%. I think the Garnazzo news is
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actually interesting. I like because there's a lot of
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teams where I feel like he would all of a sudden become like a
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pretty big fantasy asset to. Brian well.
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He would never go to Brighton, but yes, Brighton.
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But it's like, I think what? What do you think?
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What team would you think you want to go to?
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I know he'd want like European football doesn't mean he's going
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to get. It I think he could go to
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Arsenal really easily. I think Chelsea is a possibility
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as well. Chelsea feels like a good fan,
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feels like the right attitude for that place.
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Real shit bag I. Like him?
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You know, he went him and Enzo Fernandez would get a really
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long on that. Left side and you know, if
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there's a winger available, Chelsea are interested.
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Yeah, winger. It's like he's under 26.
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He takes all the boxes for Chelsea.
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Exactly. Stupid little haircut, that'd be
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great. Lots of sass sounds about right.
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All right, let's get into the the, the Nate section of this
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podcast. So, Nate.
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Special section, Nate Well. In our 12 man league, it was his
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first year playing with us. But you've played fantasy
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before. Because I remember when I was
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talking to you about joining our league, I mentioned I was like,
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oh, would you want to play? And you, you got really serious
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and you're like, oh, I'm not sure if I really should.
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I get, I get like I got like really, really obsessed in a way
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that's like not really healthy when I do.
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And I was like, I was like, well, now you have to play.
18:50
Now I need to see this in action.
18:53
But like, what does that mean exactly?
18:55
Like when you said because you did get obsessed like you, you
18:57
managed to win in your first year, which is really
18:59
impressive. Like what does that what, what
19:00
does your obsession look like? God, it's embarrassing.
19:05
I probably should admit that all of this No, but I so I played I
19:08
I've never done fan tracks. I played FPL once and even what
19:14
this like part of it, like one thing I actually love about it.
19:16
It's sort of like the people you meet kind of the relationships
19:19
you build. And so like that time I did it
19:21
with a couple of friends, I was overseas.
19:23
So it like kept me closer even this like being able to have a
19:26
regular reason to like bounce ideas off of key for you guys or
19:30
other people. That's like so much of that's
19:33
like a big part of the fun. But then just in my personal
19:37
life, I tend to have like this like 01 to 100 attitude on
19:41
everything. Like I either don't do it or I
19:43
just do it to like an unhealthy level.
19:47
And so yeah, I think, and especially not understanding the
19:51
point system really, I think it gave me this like extra
19:54
curiosity. So I like like knowing FPL,
19:59
which I'll get into a bit because I actually think kind of
20:01
helped me in some ways. But then just it like the
20:04
beginning felt like like just I got to learn everything.
20:07
I got to understand everything. It was like fun to try.
20:11
And again, 99% of it was garbage because even knowing what I know
20:14
now looking back on it was like, Oh my God, that was so stupid.
20:18
But. I don't know if that answers the
20:20
question. Yeah, a little bit.
20:23
When? So what are some of those
20:25
mistakes that you thought were so stupid?
20:28
OK, so like some stuff I know I feel like I know better now or
20:31
like, let me give you another example.
20:32
Like all this transfer talk. Even Keith, when you reached out
20:35
to me last summer, I didn't really think about players
20:38
coming in or players moving. So like this idea of like I'm
20:42
going to butcher his name, the left back that just went from
20:44
Wolves to City at Nori. Like that would be a concept of
20:49
that would have never registered in my brain last summer.
20:52
And so like some of that movement stuff, I mean, I did a
20:55
little bit of like, I even like tried to do a couple of punts in
20:58
our draft around people I thought would come in or like I
21:01
did this really dumb thing with Joe Coachello of like, oh, he's
21:04
coming back. He's going to play pepton and
21:06
we're going to smooth things over.
21:07
So I'm like, I'm going to get these guys.
21:09
So it was like some of that stuff I didn't know.
21:12
One of the things I I shifted my strategy a lot towards was like,
21:17
I didn't you guys told me about this, but I didn't really know
21:20
what ghost points were like that is a concept was like I could
21:24
read it and I could kind of like be like, OK, but I don't think I
21:28
realized how important that was just because you have you seem
21:32
to have these like chunks, these guys who are just massive
21:35
scores. And then if you can find these,
21:37
these guys who are like, I don't know, 9 to 12 points on average
21:40
consistently, like that can be the ball game.
21:45
So. But I don't really know.
21:47
Yeah, exactly. Moneyball within Moneyball.
21:51
Yeah. So I did it.
21:52
I was like a lot of learning about that stuff or like, I
21:55
think this is skipping around in your question, but like, I think
21:57
two other things I did. So like FPL, because everybody
22:01
shares players. I think I've only played one
22:04
season, played one season, so I could also be wrong about this,
22:07
but it's all about finding those guys who heat up at the right
22:10
time. So when everybody has Salah,
22:12
everyone has Holland, everyone has I it's like who got Emblemo
22:17
early enough? Who got Cunha early enough?
22:20
Who got I don't know who got Nico Williams?
22:25
Yeah, exactly. When they heat up at the right
22:27
time and then also is willing to let him go.
22:29
But you guys probably saw this. You guys made fun of me for
22:32
this, rightfully so too. Especially in the first.
22:34
I was just moving people constantly.
22:36
Like constantly trying to trade, constantly picking up,
22:39
constantly dropping because it was very much this.
22:42
Like trying to find people at the right peak like FTL does.
22:47
But I think there's some there's some logic to that.
22:50
Like I like I look at your draft, you had a solid draft,
22:52
but ultimately what one of the league was you're kind of you're
22:55
trades and waiver acquisitions, you know.
22:58
And so there I think there is some logic to that where there's
23:00
a feeling of being really loyal to players that's like very you
23:03
don't there's you have I have very personal.
23:05
Yeah, it's very it gets very personal when I feel like you
23:07
were did a good job of like just dropping people or moving people
23:10
pretty quickly. Yeah.
23:11
Yeah, I just, I just figured out how to take out Nate next
23:15
season. Give it to me.
23:17
You're. Gonna share it?
23:17
You're gonna. You're keeping it close to chat?
23:19
No, no. No, we we got to add it to the
23:21
league. It's the same thing we added to
23:23
our to the main league. You're going to say, yeah, it's
23:26
actually if if you guys wouldn't do.
23:28
I don't know what you do in your mainly, but if if you like put
23:32
the whatever, not the points, but like I'm paying.
23:34
Yeah, fab. If I can't just cycle through
23:36
test drop, test drop, test drop, I'd be fucked.
23:40
Well, you. Still can you can.
23:42
Still you can. You can.
23:43
You can bid zero fab on people. You still can.
23:45
It's just a matter of if someone else bid on them, you won't be
23:47
able to get them. Yeah, got.
23:49
It but what you wouldn't have to worry about is because someone
23:52
always puts like 50 fab on like Rodri or something who?
23:55
Wouldn't put 50 fab on Rodri. He was a top.
23:57
He was a top. 50 player on Marino.
24:01
His collarbone exploded the day after the end of the league.
24:05
You're going to have that kind of foresight.
24:06
You know what? I.
24:07
Mean they do you want to guess how many trades you made this?
24:10
You can look right up. I I actually have it up right
24:14
now and you sluts, you made a trade with every single one of
24:17
us. I'm not buying.
24:22
And you made 12 trades and I did.
24:25
You. You and I made the most
24:27
irrelevant trade that I've ever seen in fantasy.
24:30
Durant. Which was what?
24:31
Durant, Durant, Sally March. Was Durant even the league at
24:35
that point? He was on my team.
24:37
I traded, yeah, we traded. And then he got to move like a
24:40
week after. And then obviously March never
24:42
became March. Out of nowhere.
24:44
He just offered me Duran. When Duran was like on the hot
24:46
streak and March was just on my bench.
24:47
I was like, sure, I'll take it. This is 1.
24:49
Of the crystal ball, man, it's the crystal ball.
24:51
But I think this is again, this is one of those things I
24:53
rethink. So I'd be interested in your
24:55
guys's opinion is like, again, I learned this term, but stacking.
25:00
So I at one point was like having all these players where
25:03
it was like, and Vince, you'll remember this was I had Diaz and
25:08
I had. Slovosla.
25:11
No, and Gak and Gakpo, Gakpo and I don't know why I didn't just
25:15
fucking sit on both of them, to be honest with you, but I was
25:18
like, I got antsy with this like on and on again, off again on
25:23
again. I'm like, I don't want this.
25:24
I want exactly. And then so I was like trying to
25:29
off I was like, I need to get rid of these guys.
25:31
They just I wanted people that like I knew were going to start,
25:33
knew were going to get me 10 points but.
25:36
Like I can't remember the trade we were trying to do together,
25:39
but it just went back and forth for like 2 weeks.
25:41
Yeah, just. Ridiculous, I think.
25:44
I think if you look it up too, I thought about this.
25:46
I was like by even by points, not even sort of like
25:50
subjectively, I think like I probably made some of the
25:52
stupidest trades. Keith, you and I had some two
25:56
really lame ones. But each, just each one, each
25:59
one is really bad. Like I gave you a really bad
26:01
trade. Yeah, They really dawned out.
26:02
Yeah. Oh, thank God that you let me
26:05
bounce back because it was really bad for a while there.
26:08
Are there any other metrics that you look at?
26:10
Well, like looking at waivers drafts that you think are
26:12
overlooked? Like we talked about ghost
26:13
points. Are there like specific things
26:15
within Ghost Points or are there any other things you kind of
26:17
look at or is it just kind of the general?
26:19
Yeah, I, I, I think within the ghost points, I think again.
26:24
So I should preface by saying of the many, maybe this is a
26:28
different question of the many resources again that a lot of
26:30
you guys helped click me into like there's the guys like the
26:35
Banta boys on Discord or. Something, yeah.
26:38
And they have a, they had a cool discord and there was even one
26:40
guy in particular who's like my little fucking Yoda, I would
26:44
like to have a question and I would like pop it in discord and
26:46
he'd be like super thoughtful, really good, really, really good
26:50
dude and. This motherfucker was cheating
26:53
on. Us exactly, but he had he had
26:56
this term, I guess it's the normal term, but he would talk
26:57
about again these purple patches finding these.
27:00
And so I think back to your point within, if you really
27:04
narrow into those metrics or not only ghost points, but they had
27:07
like trend, like the equivalent of like a ghost point trend.
27:12
I, I think those were nice because there's sort of my sort
27:14
of theory, I guess was like have 8 solid guys and then try and
27:19
get as many of these right timed purple patches.
27:23
And when you start seeing those trends a couple of weeks
27:26
back-to-back, that's when I personally would be like, OK, I,
27:29
I'm willing to take a bet. One guy I think is dropping
27:32
one's going up. Sometimes that blows in my face
27:35
candidly. But so that that trend side of
27:37
it is something I looked for a lot.
27:39
Yeah, I think that's really smart.
27:40
I think that's super interesting.
27:41
I think that's we all kind of speak to for sure.
27:45
But it's also it's like it's AI think it's just as hard as
27:47
identifying when to drop someone.
27:49
Yeah. And it's like, so yeah, I, I and
27:52
I, I couple of times I made some or traded some dumb ones.
27:55
I traded Damsgard like halfway through the season, luckily got
27:57
him back somehow in a ridiculous trade.
28:01
But I didn't think I traded Cunya.
28:03
I think I traded Cunya like I got them both back somehow.
28:06
Yeah, I mean, at what point you traded Bruno Fernandez to me for
28:09
Kevin de Brion when he went he KDB went on like A2 game streak
28:13
where he hit like 20 plus and you get you traded and I was
28:16
like, Oh my God, yes. I made this.
28:17
I made a terrible calculated bet on Man City thought when they
28:21
had remember they had like 4 games where they kind of like
28:24
boom boom boom and tons of goals.
28:26
I went all in for Man City. I was like, I have enough of a
28:30
bit of a cushion here. I have enough of a deep bench.
28:32
I can like risk some mistakes and I just went hard and I mean
28:37
they got better, but both the Brine Silva, I traded away Omar
28:44
Marmoush after I got him and he was great.
28:47
So I like, I went all in and I was like no.
28:50
And I traded them all away or dropped them, which was so
28:52
stupid. All right.
28:54
Last question for you, Nate. How much was the dropped off
28:57
size, the reasons you made the decisions you made is that who
29:00
put that Enzo? That sounds like an Enzo
29:01
question. It was definitely one of the
29:04
like main ones, although I did this again overthinking chess
29:08
match thing where I sometimes again, Keith and I know each
29:12
other so well and for so long I thought sometimes he was bathing
29:15
me with things of like trying to get me to make him an offer for
29:19
like I felt like it was around Odegard a couple times.
29:23
Like it felt like you wanted to get rid of him and I had kind of
29:27
put him in transfers. So at times I was like, I think
29:31
I'm getting like clickbait. So he.
29:34
He does do that in our in our in our other league, it was
29:40
essentially down to Keith and me the last like 5-6 weeks and none
29:43
of us had a fat. Well, Keith had no fat and he
29:46
kept making an emphasis on he's like, he's livermento's the only
29:50
player you have to pick up if you have fat.
29:51
That's and then Enzo, who didn't want me to win, just it went
29:55
completely over his head. He didn't put a waiver FAB on
29:58
it. I don't put all my FAB on it
30:00
because I thought that's Enzo's probably going to go for it.
30:02
So I was still my FAB. I got the player, but it was
30:05
kind of trying to bait Enzo into picking up a player.
30:08
So, So what you're saying, what I'm hearing is that it works.
30:10
I got you to spend all your fab. So I don't know.
30:14
Oh, your. Goodness in sheep's clothing.
30:16
Yeah, exactly. Keith and I and our other good
30:18
friend, his old roommate, used to play a lot of Monopoly.
30:20
And this, this kind of stuff was like very Monopoly Keith of
30:24
like, yeah. And you can't say anything.
30:26
You're like, no, don't listen to him.
30:27
Don't do that. That's a terrible.
30:29
Yeah, skip the orange. You don't want that.
30:30
Orange is terrible like. What that sounds like, Keith.
30:35
Yeah, but he's good at it, to his credit.
30:37
And he's, he's sincere. Truthful.
30:41
OK, moving on. So I want to talk.
30:43
I, I made a list of XG over performers from last year and I
30:47
thought it was kind of interesting looking at,
30:49
especially because there's some players more so than others.
30:51
OK pulling. Up so other people can see.
30:53
Oh yeah, yeah, that's. True.
30:55
Not everything is about you ends up.
30:58
OK buddy, absolutely enough. Be quiet.
31:00
We have a real champion in the room, so be quiet.
31:05
OK, share skin. He doesn't just rely on one
31:08
player to win a league, you know what I mean?
31:09
So it's funny, he just said how diverse he is.
31:12
It's funny, in my notes I had a whole section about how if you
31:17
had Muhammad Salah, it was like you basically had to fuck things
31:20
up not to win. Essentially, thank.
31:23
You. I like it.
31:24
It was my, it was the only thing I could find a way to try and
31:27
poke at Dico, and it just fell. It fell apart.
31:30
It just didn't stand. Well, I mean, he he tried his
31:33
best to fuck it up, but. He did.
31:35
He did try his best. Luis Diaz.
31:37
Mushrooms. All right, so looking at this, I
31:42
think the, the biggest thing that stands out for me here is
31:44
the like the XG differential of like 6.376.55.
31:49
And look at both those players, especially going to United as to
31:51
me as like kind of a wild situation.
31:54
Because you look at you look at like extra performance and the
31:57
best players can over perform the XG, but it's usually by like
32:00
2. You know what I mean?
32:01
Like Muhammad Salah, like over performance actually by like 2.
32:04
And it's like not the big deal when you're going by it, when
32:06
you're over performing, you're actually by like 6.
32:08
There's just no world where that's not going to be like
32:12
that's not going to like regress influential, you know, and so I
32:15
think those two are the biggest ones.
32:17
And like, I'm not saying that they could potentially have more
32:19
opportunities. You know, it's not like saying
32:21
that they won't score as many goals, but just it's that's very
32:24
alarming from that standpoint that actually over performance.
32:27
And then obviously the Chris Wood one, we've talked about a
32:29
bunch and I think like force in general, like over performed,
32:32
you know, like their, their X points, like their X expected
32:35
points, they're expected, like goals conceded, like everything
32:38
they did was over performance. So that's the other one.
32:41
And then Matea Kovacic just is like kind of funny.
32:44
It's like a like, that's like an insane amount of XG over
32:46
performance for six goals. He had an XG of 181.81.
32:49
He scored or sorry, he had an XG of 1.81.
32:52
He scored. Yeah, 6, which is just wild.
32:57
But like I I, I don't know how relevant Kovacic is going to be
33:00
anymore with all the new signings for for Man City.
33:02
Yeah, and with Rodri coming back, he's got to be.
33:06
Yeah, yeah, the Awobi 1 is interesting because I we, we
33:09
always talk about Awobi as like getting Awobi points, which
33:11
essentially just means he's a really good ghost point guy, you
33:13
know? But also he did over perform his
33:16
XG by a considerable amount, almost four, yeah.
33:20
And then he's he's a third round pick.
33:22
And the Charlie's, yeah, then the last one that I think is
33:24
like kind of really noteworthy or Diallo, I mean is in the
33:28
sense that that's he almost doubled his XG compared to what
33:31
his point out Leigh was. So to me, you.
33:32
Still think you still think he's going to be in the first round
33:35
early 2nd. Round pick not for me.
33:37
I think maybe maybe someone will take that risk, but I think for
33:40
me personally, like I think there's just too much going on
33:42
there. You know, if if if one more
33:45
player comes, it doesn't even have to be a boemo of Simenyo.
33:47
If anyone else comes to United, I really think it puts into
33:51
question where do you always going to be playing?
33:52
And I think like a wing back. I just don't think you can rely
33:55
on the numbers that he was getting in his limited time that
33:58
wing back to be like how he is whole season.
34:01
And I think that actually like kind of points to that as well
34:04
that he was he was very much over performing, you know, and
34:09
then I think when you look at the other ones I got, none of
34:11
them are like that crazy like Bowen 3, but he's always he
34:14
always kind of over performs next year a little bit.
34:16
This is slightly higher, but it's also like one of the
34:18
historically bad years for them. Madison, you know I.
34:22
Think Madison is is still valid saying that he didn't play as
34:27
much last season and like I think he could be one of the
34:32
ones could that could break out next season under Thomas Frank.
34:34
And that's not me being biased as a Thomas fan, it's me being
34:37
like tactical wise, Frank will work better with Madison as a as
34:42
a a ball creator like who create more goals.
34:44
I completely. Agree.
34:46
I fully agree. I pulled up the XG for like the
34:49
previous years as well. Looking at Madison the last
34:53
three years he's had years where he over performed by 5.54.17 and
34:56
1.5. So he does have a history of
34:59
over performing. But looking at the list I think
35:02
the one that I would think could replicate it is Cunha is the one
35:07
that's the most solid 1 for me. Sounds like.
35:09
A. Why is that?
35:10
What do you think? No, it's it's the Brazil bias.
35:14
It's not the man you. Just sorry.
35:16
Yeah, one of those. Yeah, just.
35:18
To be clear. True survivors.
35:22
Figure out, get my bias straight just because I think we talked
35:25
about this as well last year he over performed his XG as well,
35:29
right? Or like the last two or three
35:30
years. So it's one of those where like
35:33
you said, great players always over perform it.
35:36
Maybe not by this much, but also he should be on a a more
35:39
talented team. I guarantee he'll go on a 5
35:43
match ban at some point because he's so fucking pissed off at
35:47
United he's going to kick a ball well.
35:49
I fucking a. Referee, I feel the same way,
35:51
but like you don't know who the target of it's going to be.
35:53
And I I think I said this like is he going to be mad at
35:55
Abraham? Is he going to be mad at his own
35:56
players? Is he going to be mad at the
35:57
ref? Is he going to get mad at like
35:59
opposing teams players? You just never know.
36:01
Well, Garnacho's gone, so at least you know it might not
36:03
happen. Exactly, exactly.
36:06
That would have been a good one. The Argentinian Brazilian
36:08
rivalry and now on the same side now.
36:10
Mm hmm. I've been nice.
36:12
I agree. I I this again.
36:14
There's so many of these examples where I think
36:16
Tottenham's gonna be scary. I think James Madison could be
36:19
so good under Thomas Frank, like you were saying I could be.
36:22
I fully agree too. I'm so in that same camp.
36:25
I also think that like we just don't you forget how good he was
36:28
two years ago. You know, like the reason he was
36:30
drafted early second round was cuz he was great and then he had
36:32
that injury and even that injury put him further like higher up
36:37
and higher up than he should have been.
36:38
Like, you know, like further back he was like he probably
36:41
would have been a first round picker.
36:42
He was healthy all season last year.
36:43
So and then there again, I don't I I think this makes sense, but
36:47
like I can never pronounce his name.
36:50
What's the Australia, your ex coach's name?
36:52
Now post the local clue and let's go with and he you know,
36:57
he made those claims like at the beginning of the year, which I
37:00
think makes sense is like when they are that far down in the
37:02
league, they're going to focus on Europa League.
37:04
And I think Madison was one of the guys you saw right.
37:07
He just was like he was trying to keep him more healthy out of
37:10
more league games, focusing him more in Europa.
37:14
Like he could be so scary next year.
37:17
Well, I hate that. I hate that for me all.
37:22
Right, next thing I want to talk about, I want to talk about some
37:24
some top some big drop off players.
37:27
So players that were were in the top 25 and 2324 went fairly high
37:32
in drafts and then had a dramatic drop off 2425 or even
37:35
not even that dramatic just fell out of the top 25.
37:37
And so I put compiled a list here and I'm going to go through
37:40
and then I want you guys to kind of say tell me who you think has
37:43
the best chance of returning to the top 25.
37:46
So Phil Foden, who was drafted in the, you know, first second
37:49
round, he ended up finishing 48th overall.
37:52
Then we have Odegard, who is, you know, first rounder ended up
37:56
finishing 32nd overall. Son again, like late 1st rounder
38:00
finished 48th overall. Gordon, like right on the turn,
38:04
the 1-2 turn was finished 57th. Bruno Gumares.
38:09
Gumares, Bruno Gumarez, 49th overall.
38:12
Solanki, 130th. Declan Rice, 46th.
38:16
Kai Haverts 135th. James Ward Prowse, who was going
38:20
in the second or third, ended up finishing 239th overall.
38:23
Enzo's shaking his head. Muhammad Kudus finishing 86th
38:28
overall, which was another one that was like what?
38:31
Second, second round, third round?
38:33
Watkins not that bad, went in the first round, but he finished
38:36
29th. Still disappointment for first
38:38
round value, right? Tarkowski 31st overall and then
38:43
Rodri 400 and 93rd overall. Cause of injury though?
38:47
What? Was the question is who will go
38:49
back into the 25? Yeah.
38:50
Who do you who from this list of guys who were kind of like quote
38:53
UN quote bust, who do you think as the best chance to kind of re
38:57
regain their kind of elite status?
39:01
If you're going to go off, I know you guys have mentioned
39:04
Foden, I think that's a great shot, but you also look at the
39:05
players, man, see brought in. That's what I'd be worried about
39:08
with Foden. If I was going to say one player
39:11
from here, and I hate to say it, if if they get a numbers, a
39:16
number six exhibit play which they have, Rice will have
39:21
another season like it did two years ago.
39:24
Now, we all thought you were going ODA guy.
39:26
ODA guy? Yeah, all of us thought you were
39:27
going ODA guy. No ODA, ODA guy's done.
39:30
I think Rice is Rice is the main guy for me.
39:35
Rice, Rice, baby. That's my boy.
39:37
That's my England bias. OK.
39:41
So that's interesting. So you think that Rice is going
39:43
to score in the top like because Rice was what he finished like
39:46
mid like in 2324 was like a top 15 player and then he jumps on
39:51
46. Look, his corners are amazing
39:54
again. What's his name?
39:56
The centre back Megalis. He'll be back.
40:00
So that's another big target from from his corners.
40:03
I think he's going to start taking free kick now after doing
40:05
those two weldees against Real Madrid, right?
40:08
Tico Mimbados. Necessary comment, OK.
40:12
But I think Rice, if he gets to play more that number 8 role and
40:16
has more of an attacking threat and carry and is able to carry
40:19
the ball, he's gonna have a good season next season.
40:21
OK, yeah, that I, I mean makes sense.
40:24
I know it makes sense, yeah. I don't, I don't hate it, but I
40:26
also think Odegard is up there too with someone you can talk
40:29
about. Do you guys, does anyone have
40:31
any faith in SAWN? Are we, are we everyone off the
40:33
sawn chain as far as like you think it's a declining, Is it a
40:37
sailing ship And it's just a matter of if he stays, if he
40:39
does and then it's a question of how far does he slide?
40:44
Like how far does he decline? Like would you risk a second
40:47
round or on them? I personally would not.
40:50
If I would, maybe if it was like the end of the second round, I
40:52
think it's where I'd be OK with him.
40:55
I'd be OK with him at the end. Of the because at the end of the
40:57
day, he finished with like what, 12 plus points per start?
41:00
Yeah, like this was a bad season under like a historically bad
41:03
team and it was still wasn't that bad.
41:05
Thanks. You know, OK, thanks, Keith.
41:07
It just that's true. He wasn't a bad team.
41:09
That's. True.
41:11
Historically. Historically bad.
41:13
OK. I mean, was it not historically
41:15
bad in the Premier League? In the Premier League it was
41:17
historically bad. I know you won a trophy, but in
41:19
the Premier League it was. That's a big sigh.
41:21
Mm, hmm. Mm hmm.
41:25
Okay, why is there no fucking Chelsea players?
41:27
Won't he? Because we don't drop off the
41:30
way you guys. No one underperformed.
41:33
No one underperformed, no. One really overperformed, then
41:36
underperformed because you have to think about 2324, we finished
41:39
12th, so no one was finishing top 25 and not really then
41:43
underperformed. Paul Palmer.
41:45
Well, yeah, he didn't. He didn't.
41:47
Yeah. I think the the safest bet is
41:48
Tarkowski and I. He would have finished top 25 if
41:52
he had got an injured. He'd missed the last.
41:54
What is it like 5-6 games? True and Yep.
41:57
And you remember how bad of a start Everton had they let him
42:00
like. A truly, that's true as well.
42:02
Yeah, those are both really good points.
42:04
I think that is fair. What do we even think about?
42:07
Like Muhammad Kudus as someone that like had such a good
42:09
season, like a good season and a half, and then I think everyone
42:11
was really proud for him to have a such a good year and then it
42:14
just really disappointing. But I think it also has to do
42:17
with the trajectory West Ham has been the last couple years.
42:20
I feel like coming into last year, they had like some high
42:23
hopes but didn't pan out. And then this year they were
42:26
pretty bad as well, not not consistent.
42:28
So I think it's it's the team. So to me, like let's say like
42:33
him or Anthony Gordon, right, who also was injured this year,
42:36
but the previous year he had a very double double 11 and 10.
42:40
I'd rather take Anthony Gordon and I think the drafts are
42:43
probably going to be pretty similar where where they get
42:46
drafted I. Think Gordon goes way ahead of
42:48
kudos. Yeah, way ahead, Yeah, yeah,
42:51
after last season. But it's all about if Potter can
42:55
get sorted out and and line that ship up.
42:58
Is that better? I think what you're saying is
42:59
that like Kudos isn't good on his own as much, you know, like
43:03
he's he needs to almost be in a team that's good.
43:06
You know, like, like, you know, certain players can like like a
43:08
Bruno Fernandez that's going to drag a team with him and
43:11
generate points and be a good player where I don't know if
43:13
Kudos is at that level where he can, but.
43:15
You know, team didn't really change much in the last two
43:18
years. Yeah, they added a bunch of
43:19
players, but those players didn't stop.
43:21
Talking about West Ham, yeah, but they they definitely were
43:23
worse. I'm not like, even if the team
43:26
didn't change, they definitely didn't.
43:27
They didn't like, like they, they stayed still and everyone
43:30
else moved, you know, so. You think you think it was more
43:33
of a solo performance from kudos like his performances
43:36
individually that he needs a team around him to.
43:39
Well, I, I mean, it's, I'm, I'm curious.
43:41
I I don't know, I think we'll see another year and see what
43:42
happens, but there's definitely some of that going on, right,
43:45
Because I'd like he clearly West Ham were better or like it might
43:47
just be a system thing too. Like he like like David Moyes
43:51
got to get the most out of kudos.
43:52
And you see that time and timing out with David Moyes that he
43:54
can, he can kind of get get a ring out of a player and then,
43:57
you know, kudos. There's a lot of uncertainty in
43:58
Everton with the coaches and what happened.
44:00
And I'm sorry in West Ham with the coaches and what happened
44:05
there. So maybe maybe just like maybe
44:07
they just figure out how to get the most out of kudos do.
44:09
You think he stays? Do you think he stayed there?
44:11
That's. The other question too.
44:12
I mean, I've heard rumors, I mean.
44:13
What? Me too.
44:14
Like what? Where, where are you guys
44:16
hearing I? Thought it was in Spain, Was it
44:19
Athletico or something like that?
44:22
Athletico, I heard. Maybe Chelsea.
44:24
Winger. Yeah, I heard.
44:26
Maybe Arsenal too. That doesn't think.
44:29
We're we're in for a lot of the same guys because we're we're
44:31
real short in that same left. Wing position exactly Well,
44:34
wasn't that one of the thoughts was he was sort of out position
44:37
this most of this year. It's just also he seems at times
44:39
like demotivated like he like. I.
44:43
Which I don't love. I think they're like with the
44:47
the best foil to him too, is you look like Jared Bow and he like
44:49
plays out of position all the time and still like does the his
44:52
job and is like he's like the most like professional
44:55
professional ever. Like no matter where he's
44:56
playing, what he's doing, his numbers are so incredibly
44:59
consistent. And he's not the best, but he's
45:01
like he's really solid. Where I think kudos like, like,
45:03
yeah, without that, without like being put in the right position
45:06
to succeed. Clearly didn't like thrive, you
45:09
know, Yeah. So I think that's that's
45:10
concerning. I think if he went somewhere
45:12
where he was motivated, he had to like push every game game in
45:15
and it'd be pretty fun to watch. I agree.
45:19
And I think, and that's kind of how it felt when he first showed
45:21
up too, right? Yeah, yeah.
45:22
Mm. Hmm.
45:23
You know, like he was just like clearly he was trying.
45:25
I feel like. Yeah, like Nate to your point,
45:26
like he's I feel like he's lost out a little bit.
45:27
Like he's lost like the the joy. Yeah.
45:30
You know, all right, now I wanna just go through from the current
45:33
list of top 25 players who has the greatest chance to drop off
45:36
and become one of these guys that like falls down the the
45:39
pecking order. So I picked some names out.
45:40
I'm curious what you guys think. I picked out like Anthony
45:43
Semenyo as one potential, Alex Iwobi as another, Nathan
45:47
Collins, Chris Wood, Johann Wissa, Anthony Robinson, and
45:52
then I don't know, maybe adding you up to the calendar, OK.
45:57
Are there any names there that you like?
45:58
Who who of that list you guys feel like has the most potential
46:01
to be one of these players that was top 25 then falls out of
46:04
that kind of coveted? What would be what?
46:07
What is the obvious one? Yeah, I think so, yeah.
46:09
And especially, again, not to lean into this ghost points
46:12
idea, but he's just so goal dependent whereas everyone else
46:16
is like, pretty well-rounded. So goal dependent and then also
46:21
over performed is XG by 4 almost 5 you know so.
46:26
Are they getting picked apart too?
46:28
Are forests going to like, lose everybody?
46:29
Like like Brentford is being talked about or not necessarily.
46:34
Have you heard my I mean, I haven't heard many rumors yet.
46:36
I mean, I know mortgage white is always rumored to go somewhere,
46:38
but at this rate it does like who is even go?
46:40
It doesn't sound like city's going to get them.
46:42
So I don't know who else would really need them or want them.
46:45
You always hear about Marilla and Malenkovich.
46:47
If that partnership breaks up, you don't know what happens.
46:49
But like Alanka and Hudson is joy.
46:51
I don't see them going anywhere. They're.
46:53
Enjoying that football. Game I think like their center
46:54
mids are pretty locked in as well.
46:57
I think, I think you said it with, with Frank going to
47:00
another team, Collins might drop out.
47:03
Will he have like a different like I need to send it back?
47:05
He might drop off. He also like he's so weird to me
47:08
I'm still trying to figure it out.
47:09
So he had 11 or he had 7 assists in fantasy and only three in
47:13
like his official stats. So there's some sort of like
47:16
thing, like some sort of like, I don't know what they're how
47:20
they're qualifying it like he drew a lot of penalties because
47:22
you know, like sometimes fantasy will give gives an assist for
47:24
something that is it in like official Optus stats.
47:27
So like, and also like I, I, I don't, I don't buy the Collins
47:31
thing either. He's the one that I would say
47:34
like I feel like every year there's a one or two defenders
47:36
that just has like this crazy surge of like value and then
47:39
like they drop off again. And I feel like he to me just
47:42
screams a player like that. Screams Moneyball.
47:45
Or the opposite of moneyball. Oh manches, Manchester United
47:49
ball play. You just you pay over the top
47:51
for someone that's has a good number like good numbers where
47:54
they're all gilded did. That massively change that for
47:57
you guys, I mean for how long you've been doing this like the
48:00
fact that they changed that rule last year where they won goal,
48:03
they don't lose any points or whatever is that just?
48:05
Like it's changed it, yes, but I like you think huge Edza.
48:09
I feel like for defenders and goalkeepers, not losing that
48:12
extra 2 points. It makes a difference.
48:16
A difference. Only them.
48:18
Didn't you bring it up in the show, Tico?
48:19
Didn't you bring up a thing that was like defenders in the top 25
48:23
or top 50 this year from last year and it's like triple the
48:26
amount or something crazy? It is, it has helped a lot
48:30
because especially like it's not going to impact like Manchester
48:34
City defenders, it's not going to impact Liverpool defenders
48:36
that much. But middle of the pack teams
48:38
like for example, like Fulham, I think Anthony Robinson putting
48:42
up the numbers that he did this year, probably a lot of it is
48:45
they probably gave up a lot of, you know, one goal and the -2
48:49
points you you don't get it and that's pretty huge.
48:52
So the average goes up a lot. So it does help a lot of
48:56
goalkeepers. I think three of us are in the
48:58
mindset of like you could just rotate a goalkeeper unless you
49:01
have like one or two of the elite goalkeeper.
49:03
So and to me didn't impact the keepers that much as much as the
49:05
defenders. I also think too, when I look at
49:08
the like the defenders, it was like that the, the floor just
49:11
got raised so much higher for defenders.
49:12
So if there was a period of time where it was like defenders
49:15
were, there was like maybe 10 to 15 that were like really good
49:17
that you'd never dropped and everyone else was incredibly
49:19
expendable because it was just like, it was like, so match of
49:22
your base because you're like, man, if this team gets reamed
49:24
for a few goals, I'm going to be negative.
49:27
Like I just can't afford to do it.
49:28
Where I think now it's like a there's a little bit more like
49:30
it feels a little safer and it makes them like like a little
49:33
that gives them a little bit more parity with the other
49:34
positions where before it was like defenders were like like a
49:37
like a lesser tier. You just did not care.
49:40
So I think it's I think it's been nothing but positive that
49:43
change the real change. OK, next last section, we're
49:47
going to play a little game of would you rather.
49:48
So I just like we just go through each one and then you
49:51
guys just tell me who would you rather who'd you rather have?
49:53
And as far as like draft or whatever and don't think about
49:56
necessarily where they're going to draft just OK, so first one,
49:59
would you rather pick up Anthony Robinson or Pedro Poro?
50:01
Robinson. Who's gone?
50:03
Oh, there you go. Robinson poro poro chica.
50:08
Robinson. Robinson.
50:11
He got 10 assists this season, which is great, but Poro's got
50:14
more goals, goals in them, and you get more points with goals.
50:18
You know, what's funny too is Poro actually has a higher
50:21
points per start than Robinson by, you know, not by much, 12.6
50:24
to 12. But I think that what's
50:27
interesting is that he played less games, obviously, like
50:30
Robinson actually played the full retina of games.
50:32
So that's where Robinson is more valuable because you know he's
50:34
going to do that. And I just like you assume Pedro
50:36
Horror is going to play a lot of games under Thomas Frank, but
50:38
that wasn't the case under Ange. So I could I could see that.
50:40
I think that's pretty close to me.
50:42
Or has also done it for three years in a row, whereas Robinson
50:44
just had the first breakout. Year Robinson had a really good
50:47
year last year as well. I think he was, it was under two
50:49
years ago. I mean 2324, I think it was
50:51
pretty under. He was under appreciated for
50:52
that. But yeah, but I think 10 assists
50:54
from a defender is crazy. It's amazing.
50:56
That's a crazy number. It's also crazy that he still
50:59
discredit goal. Mm hmm.
51:01
But I like to see that change. Well cuz he's left footed
51:06
playing on the left side. So yeah, I think it's just
51:08
tricky, but. Poro's right footed playing on
51:11
the right side. Yeah, but he's American, so I'm
51:14
trying to defend him. Got it, got it.
51:15
Got it, got it. Got it, got it.
51:17
Whoa, Keith, with everything that's going on here, I know.
51:20
No, I. Don't know.
51:23
It's just I don't know. I think that's AI think that's a
51:25
toss up to me. I think that's like a preference
51:27
thing. I, I think the one other thing I
51:29
would say maybe about why Robinson is just from secure
51:32
like a continuity standpoint, because he's like he's not
51:36
having a change of coaches. I don't know why everyone thinks
51:38
it's going to be really positive.
51:39
Thomas Frank, there's plenty of coaches that have come in and we
51:41
just don't know what that's going to be like.
51:43
When the big question will they, will they fix the leaky defense?
51:46
Is the question right? And then it's it's.
51:48
Whoa, whoa, whoa. It's not a leaky defense.
51:50
It's a fucking. Hotline, which is what we do not
51:52
want Waterfall. It's a waterfall defense.
51:56
It's no longer the way we play mate, you know what I mean?
51:59
It was Pedro Poro part of the problem with that.
52:02
Like, I think he's his argument there was he was always like he
52:04
was very attacking into the yeah, he's.
52:06
Not yeah, but he he can be like, you know, that's how the same
52:09
thing with Trent when he was more of an attacking right back,
52:12
you know. What?
52:13
I mean, yeah, but that's Trent. That's a little.
52:14
Different, yeah, but we're not talking about, we're not talking
52:17
about same, well skill. We're talking about style of
52:20
play, by the way. Hey, can we talk about that real
52:23
quick? Let's talk about after.
52:25
Let's talk about after. Let's get through this.
52:27
OK, Write it down. Next one Dominic Solanke, Johann
52:31
Wissa this. Is a hard one this.
52:33
Is a hard one. I I so my hall, says Solanke.
52:36
But I'm gonna go Wissa. So Wissa's amazing cuz he scored
52:39
eighteen goals and actually underperformed his XG by almost
52:42
2, which is kind of crazy. So he had so like, so I'm saying
52:46
is that he was in. Yeah, just all season.
52:50
You go Wissa. Yeah.
52:52
Yeah, I, I, my only fear is it just, again, feels like
52:56
Brentford is going to just going to like be a real big reset
52:59
year. Maybe he benefits from that, but
53:02
just feels like somebody's dropping a bomb on them and
53:04
they're just going to see what happens.
53:06
Do you know who's the manager? No, no, not yet.
53:10
I, I, I go slum K just for the, I think I'm going to, I'm going
53:14
to catch the tide that's going up as opposed to the little tide
53:17
that's lowering, you know? Well, he is he definitively your
53:22
#110 I'm sorry, 9. Striker.
53:25
Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
53:27
They paid so much money for him, too.
53:29
Tottenham can't really afford to like how to play like that and
53:31
then not. Whoa, whoa.
53:32
We're top four PSR bro. We talk about we're.
53:34
Gonna I mean, I mean, in the sense of like you just you guys,
53:37
there's no way you would sign a play like that.
53:38
Then not plan. OK, next one.
53:41
We're kind of talking about all these guys.
53:43
So I'm curious what you think here.
53:44
Dominic slow the slide. Muhammad Kudus.
53:46
And this is we're keeping in mind the the additions to
53:49
Liverpool. What's going on there?
53:52
I'm off of the Sobaslay train. You're curious too.
53:55
Wow, I'm shocked. It's I I'm done with Sobaslay.
53:59
Be gone and. That's that's that sounds like a
54:03
very personal thing. But.
54:04
What, for two years in a row? It just starts off good, gives
54:07
you false hope, and then just very inconsistent.
54:09
So just like relationships. Just break up.
54:11
Sounds like. Sounds like you in
54:12
relationships. Actually.
54:14
More like it's too close to home for you, huh?
54:17
Oh man. But yeah, Johann Whistler, I
54:19
think he's been consistent sort of he's if he's going to be the
54:23
main man at Brentford, it could be great or it could be a two
54:26
we're. Talking about we're talking
54:27
about kudos. Oh sorry, kudos.
54:29
I mean he could have a bounce back season from last season
54:33
that could have the same source. I think dribble completion.
54:35
I think he still had a. You told me he had a good amount
54:37
still. He did, even though.
54:39
So I think it was just his goal contributions that dropped off.
54:45
I think it was interesting with Silver Slice, he's so even
54:47
though like Chico, you're talking about him not like
54:49
dropping off and having a great season, he's still finished with
54:51
11.3 points per start. He played in 79% of the almost
54:56
80% of the games he was like healthy and available for.
55:00
Plays in a lot of minutes. Plays a lot of minutes I think,
55:02
but I think the one thing too is that his those 11.3 points per
55:05
start is pretty inflated by having a like monster games.
55:08
Yeah, he would have like. Boom, boom boom and.
55:11
Then like 30 points, yeah, yeah. A very big boom bust guy.
55:14
Well, I think like Kudus, like with the Enzo, like the like
55:17
successful dribbles and stuff like that leads to like a level
55:19
of stability, right? Because like those are things
55:22
that you're doing yourself that you control.
55:24
And so like you're going to do that more often.
55:26
It's like you're more likely to just have be more consistent
55:28
with those. So I see the argument either
55:30
way. I think, I think if you're
55:32
really safe guy, you go slow the slide, right.
55:34
But I think Kudus the Upside is there potentially last one.
55:37
Virgil Van Dyke or Gabrielle Monglass fucking.
55:43
It has to be, has to be Virgil, right?
55:45
Has to be, has to be. Yeah.
55:47
I think the only the only thing with Gabrielle would be just
55:50
like what more more set pieces? Yeah, more goals, but they kind
55:53
of seem like they've gotten that figured out now with them a bit
55:57
more. I agree.
55:58
I mean, I, I know he got hurt, but the first half he was, Yeah.
56:01
What did he have, like 6 or eight goals?
56:02
Keith, you had. Him, he was he was on fire.
56:04
Well, I think you, you gave you traded to me.
56:06
That was one of the dumb trades I gave the house away.
56:12
Yeah, but he got it back somehow.
56:14
Yeah, still. Still won by six games, mate, I
56:17
think you're doing something. I think he's more more focused
56:21
on your other league at some point.
56:25
All right, so that's it. This has been episode 93 of
56:29
Draft Off Sides. I'm with Tico, Enzo, and Nate.
56:32
My name's Keith. Follow us on Draft Off Sides and
56:35
we'll see you next week. And now we can talk about Enzo.
56:39
I also have a question. I have two questions for you
56:41
guys.