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Yanks bounced AGAIN in DS, Padres/Braves laid to rest, Guards-White Sox status check, NLCS predictions · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. Guess what? It's foul territory. I'm Carl Ravitch.
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  Speaker 1: I got my boy Todd Frazier, Flavor Frazier, Eric Kratz
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  Speaker 1: down there, doling out dollars to watch kids play baseball.
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  Speaker 2: Love that.
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  Speaker 1: A little later on, Buck Showalter is going to join us,
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  Speaker 1: as well as Zach Mizell, who covers the Guardians and
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  Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. Gary Phillips, who covers the Yankees. The
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  Speaker 1: Yankees season is over. Don't forget, everybody, press subscribe for us, please,
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  Speaker 1: broad brush 30,000 feet above sky, boys. It looks like
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  Speaker 1: This expectation every year, Todd, that the Yankees are going
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  Speaker 1: to compete for or win a World Series. I think
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  Speaker 1: we need to change the narrative around that. The Yankees
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  Speaker 1: are like 29 other teams. At the end of the year,
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  Speaker 1: they're either going to be the one that stands or
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  Speaker 1: like everyone else, they're not. I think this concept of
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  Speaker 1: every year that we go into it and we hear
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Judge or some other great players saying, well, When
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  Speaker 1: we're not the last team standing, we failed. I don't
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  Speaker 1: buy that bar anymore. That was George Steinbrenner. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the current Steinbrenner. Where are you at on that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, that's the goal for everybody when
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  Speaker 3: they come into the year. And then sometimes you just
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  Speaker 3: got to be realistic. The injury bug got this team.
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  Speaker 3: And it started with Aaron Judge, the best hitter in
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  Speaker 3: the American League.
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  Speaker 2: This guy.
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  Speaker 3: When he went down, it seemed like everything else fell down.
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  Speaker 3: The Yankees found their ways a little bit without him there.
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  Speaker 3: Talk about a kid in Ben Rice, how he came
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  Speaker 3: into his own. He's going to get some AL MVP voting.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he'll necessarily win, but he's top five
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of categories. Cam Schlittler is going to
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  Speaker 3: get the Cy Young. There was a lot of good
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  Speaker 3: things that happened with the Yankees this year, but a
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  Speaker 3: lot of bad. I mean, the pitching was absolutely phenomenal,
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  Speaker 3: as we always talk about, but the hitting was it
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  Speaker 3: was few and far between besides a couple of different guys,
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  Speaker 3: you know, trying to figure out, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Where to put people. I mean, for me, I talked
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  Speaker 2: about the infield.
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  Speaker 3: They may had some big mistakes that happened during these
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  Speaker 3: playoff games. And I think when you're talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: play or world series or bus, I think you have
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  Speaker 3: something going there, Carl.
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  Speaker 2: It's been what? 17 years since 2009. Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Since they won a world series.
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  Speaker 3: And now, You know, everybody that comes into it is
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  Speaker 3: always thinking the same thing, which is the right thing
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  Speaker 3: to think about. But you got to be kind of
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  Speaker 3: realistic and see where the cards are laying. And a
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  Speaker 3: non-healthy team is going to be very hard, very, very
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  Speaker 3: hard for a team to make the playoffs, if not
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  Speaker 3: win a series.
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  Speaker 2: You saw what they did against the Red Sox.
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  Speaker 3: They were beaten up, but they played against a really
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  Speaker 3: good raised team who was the better team, and they
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  Speaker 3: definitely showed it throughout this whole series.
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  Speaker 2: No doubt.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's about, it's definitely about winning. And Carl,
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  Speaker 5: you bring up a great point that I think back
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  Speaker 5: when they won their last championship, they were the one
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  Speaker 5: ahead of the game. They were ahead of the game.
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  Speaker 5: And I know being in the organization that there is
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  Speaker 5: definitely some looking around, like what other teams do.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 5: The difference is I think there's just a level of
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  Speaker 5: execution that hasn't happened. Doesn't mean it can't happen. And
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  Speaker 5: I don't think they are as far away as you
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  Speaker 5: would say with, well, just like any 29 other teams.
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  Speaker 5: I disagree. I think they come at it with the
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  Speaker 5: intent of winning. And I can name off 10 teams
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  Speaker 5: right now that started this season without the intent of
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  Speaker 5: making the playoffs. And one of them was the Chicago
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  Speaker 5: White Sox, who are possibly going to go to the
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  Speaker 5: American League Championship Series.
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  Speaker 1: So I think intent is still there. Execution hasn't been there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's a larger conversation. I do think
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  Speaker 1: that for years when they were winning, they were competing
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  Speaker 1: against a smaller group of teams. The idea that the
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  Speaker 1: Brewers and the Rays are realistically involved in winning a
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  Speaker 1: championship this year is a different narrative than what the
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  Speaker 1: Yankees are going to win the World Series has always
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  Speaker 1: been about. The game has changed. The organizations have changed.
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  Speaker 1: The competition level has changed. And with that, Let's look
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  Speaker 1: at the Brewers and the Rays. I'm sitting here thinking
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  Speaker 1: right now... if the Dodgers didn't get hot, Kratzy, that
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  Speaker 1: it would feel like the Brewers and the Rays were
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  Speaker 1: the two best teams. Now, Los Angeles seemingly has kind
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  Speaker 1: of flipped this switch, which they did last year, which
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  Speaker 1: you guys played. We've all been told you can't flip
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  Speaker 1: a switch in October. This is an organization that seemingly
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  Speaker 1: plays to get to October and then finds a Max Muncy,
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  Speaker 1: postseason dude. Kike Hernandez, we're good. Just get in October.
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  Speaker 1: Freeman will come through. He always does. We have 11,000
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  Speaker 1: pitchers that are better than most other teams, so it
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  Speaker 1: feels like they almost have this button that they can flip.
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  Speaker 1: But before that, Kratzy, it felt like, to me, This
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  Speaker 1: is a Brewers and Rays World Series. I don't know now,
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  Speaker 1: but to me, it's one of those three teams, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry that's dismissive of Guardians White Sox, but that's
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  Speaker 1: what it feels like to me. That's okay.
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  Speaker 5: How about first we get the full count with Marathon,
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  Speaker 5: and we'll hit it real hard here in our full
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  Speaker 5: count segment.
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  Speaker 1: Look at you go.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: It's a full count.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Kratzy, by the way, Todd, did you see that? Kratzy,
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  Speaker 1: producer and analyst, co-host, all of that. I like that, Kratzy.
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  Speaker 1: I said it yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: You might have missed the show because you don't watch
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  Speaker 5: what Todd is on. Todd wasn't on yesterday anyway. But
• 6:02
  Speaker 5: there's three guys on every show. There's three people. There's
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  Speaker 5: the good-looking one, the great analyst, and the great play-by-play.
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  Speaker 5: We know you're the great play-by-play, Carl. And we know
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  Speaker 5: that Todd is an incredible analyst when he's on YES.
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  Speaker 5: We know who sells it. But to get to your question, Carl,
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  Speaker 5: to get to your comment, your question, the Dodgers do
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  Speaker 5: have that button. But that button is not just a–
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  Speaker 5: everybody thinks this Dodgers team is just wash, rinse, repeat.
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  Speaker 5: It's just going to be the same thing. They have
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  Speaker 5: built this team to be what they are. Do they
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  Speaker 5: spend a lot of money?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, 100%.
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  Speaker 5: We are not going to deny that. Have they– this
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  Speaker 5: is like the fifth iteration of the Dodgers since they
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  Speaker 5: won in 2020. They had Dave Roberts, you know, oh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, they won a COVID-shortened season. It doesn't count.
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  Speaker 5: They ended up losing, not making it in 21. You know,
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  Speaker 5: they fall short until 24. Yeah, 24 when they won
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  Speaker 5: the first one. And Dave Roberts, Max Muncy, all those
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  Speaker 5: guys said, you have to make a change in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: All that to make a change then the next year
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  Speaker 5: where it's all starting pitchers. I say all that to
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  Speaker 5: say this. I think other teams are afraid of making
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  Speaker 5: those changes that need to be made in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: And people see it as, well, the Dodgers just have money.
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  Speaker 5: Dodgers just have a button they push and guys turn
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  Speaker 5: it on.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 5: Max Muncy was the most productive batter in their entire lineup.
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  Speaker 5: You know how many games he started of this last series?
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  Speaker 6: Two.
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  Speaker 5: He started two of the four games. So don't tell
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  Speaker 5: me like, well, we've got to have this person out
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  Speaker 5: there because he's been this guy. You've got to have
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  Speaker 5: this person. You hit the right buttons. You have everybody
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  Speaker 5: pushing in the same direction and you have a team
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  Speaker 5: that's back in the NLCS.
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  Speaker 3: And, and listen, like the Dodgers, you're talking about having
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  Speaker 3: probably the best hitter that you're going to see in
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  Speaker 3: our generation. He batted fifth at one point. This is
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  Speaker 3: how good this team really is, and Shohei Otani. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they can do what they really want to do. They
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  Speaker 3: have the pitching. Yamamoto, I mean, holy cow, man. The
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  Speaker 3: guy is just turning it on again, especially on the road.
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  Speaker 3: Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, we talk about all these dogs
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  Speaker 3: that they have, and they're not winning games 10-1, 12-2.
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  Speaker 3: They're nickel and diamond here and there, and they're getting
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  Speaker 3: on on an error, you know, a fielder's choice. A
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  Speaker 3: big knock by Teoscar Hernandez, you know, a base hit.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's what some teams should take out
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  Speaker 3: of this. You've got guys that can hit the home
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  Speaker 3: runs anytime they want, but they're finding ways to get
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  Speaker 3: guys in on little base hits. Like, that's baseball. Get
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  Speaker 3: a guy on, get him over, get him in. And
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  Speaker 3: this is why Dodgers have won the last two World Series.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so if we go back to the top
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  Speaker 1: of the show, Todd, and we talk about the expectation
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  Speaker 1: for the Yankees that would suggest that there is a
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  Speaker 1: switch that any team, especially with talent, can flip. I've
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  Speaker 1: been told for years sitting next to you guys and
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  Speaker 1: many others, you can't do that. You don't have the ability.
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  Speaker 1: That's impossible because the other team is flipping a switch too.
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  Speaker 1: They're trying to get you all out. They have pitchers
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  Speaker 1: that get you out. Does Jacob Mizorowski's switch not work
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  Speaker 1: as well as Yamamoto's? So it's a struggle for me
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  Speaker 1: to go with Dave Roberts peeks his head into the
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  Speaker 1: hitters meeting, which he did successfully. before yesterday's game. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, sprinkles magic dust on him. And all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, Andy Pahez delivers a 99 mile an
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  Speaker 1: hour shot back up the middle. It wasn't Betts. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't Otani. It wasn't Muncy. It wasn't Freeman. It was
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  Speaker 1: the nine hole hitter. Is that the switch? Or in
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  Speaker 1: this case, do they have the money and actually fortify
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  Speaker 1: their roster with all these arms? But Pa has, you know,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a perennial all-star. I understand he is and has
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  Speaker 1: that ability, but it's, it's, it's this concept of switch
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  Speaker 1: that I think is a good subject about the Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: and the ability of the Brewers who are there. Trust me,
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  Speaker 1: they're in there flipping everything they can to, to try
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  Speaker 1: to beat them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I think personally, or not personally overall, like, All
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  Speaker 3: these teams have an opportunity to go out and get
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  Speaker 3: some of these big names if they want to. And
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  Speaker 3: they always cry about small market, this and that. No,
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  Speaker 3: they have the money. These teams have every possible way.
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  Speaker 3: And they're going to sit back and say, well, we
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  Speaker 3: offered them this. And this team came bigger. Well, you
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  Speaker 3: do have an opportunity to do that. And I think
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  Speaker 3: for the Dodgers, not only do they bring guys over,
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  Speaker 3: but I think they do their homework. I think they
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  Speaker 3: understand they're not just going to bring a dude over.
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  Speaker 3: and bring them in, and all of a sudden it's
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  Speaker 3: going to change the culture. And I think the culture
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  Speaker 3: of the L.A. Dodgers has been absolutely ridiculously good. And
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  Speaker 3: it starts with Freddie Freeman and Mookie Betts, to name
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  Speaker 3: a couple guys. And then, you know, with the Latin side,
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  Speaker 3: Teoscar Hernandez. They have a culture, and these guys really
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  Speaker 3: love playing together, and they really love to win. And
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  Speaker 3: I think you could see how exciting they are when
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  Speaker 3: they get on bases with the little antics that they do, and.
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  Speaker 2: How happy each person is to play together. With and
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  Speaker 2: for each other.
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  Speaker 1: And they're singularly focused.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 5: Shohei Otani probably does $ 100 million in off-field contracts, all
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  Speaker 5: that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: They are singularly focused. They are very rarely.
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  Speaker 5: Distracted by things that are not going to get them
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  Speaker 5: to win. You don't see those things cropping up for
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  Speaker 5: the Dodgers. And that's not saying they're perfect. I'm not
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  Speaker 5: saying at all that they're perfect. Everybody will start bringing
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  Speaker 5: up the things that players they've had that have done wrong.
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  Speaker 5: I get that part of it. But I'm saying they
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  Speaker 5: try their best at that. And let's also make it
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  Speaker 5: a real thing. It is hard to win a World Series.
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  Speaker 5: They are not a perfect team. They have not had
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  Speaker 5: a perfect run to their two World Series. Had the
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  Speaker 5: Padres not fallen on their face two years ago, they
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  Speaker 5: would have been knocked out by the Padres early in
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  Speaker 5: the playoffs, and we would have still talked about, is
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  Speaker 5: Dave Roberts the guy to get this team over the hump?
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  Speaker 5: Last year, we can bring up countless times that the
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  Speaker 5: Dodgers could have been beaten by the Blue Jays, that
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  Speaker 5: the Phillies could have beaten them in the first round
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  Speaker 5: had their vaunted bullpen not collapsed and given up three
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  Speaker 5: leads in, or two leads in the best of three
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  Speaker 5: series that they played them in. Like, it's just a No,
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry. It was an NLDS series that they played
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  Speaker 5: them in, and they had three leads that they blew. So, like,
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  Speaker 5: they're not a perfect team. They're winning right now, so
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  Speaker 5: everybody sees them as perfect, and they're definitely able to
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  Speaker 5: be beaten. It just hasn't happened yet because these guys
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  Speaker 5: set a tone for what they want to do, and
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  Speaker 5: they execute it so far.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Otani, Mookie, and Will Smith go 6-for-43 in
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  Speaker 1: the series. And to me... the best chance to get
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  Speaker 1: a team like the Dodgers, and this is where I
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  Speaker 1: think the money and the talent and the arms really
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  Speaker 1: pays off, is in a seven-game series. Because I think
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  Speaker 1: over a longer series, the team that's got the depth
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  Speaker 1: and the qualities got the better chance than they would
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  Speaker 1: in a three- or five-game series. So that being said,
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  Speaker 1: for the Dodgers and the Brewers, now you're looking at
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  Speaker 1: an LCS. Now you're looking at a team that knocked
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  Speaker 1: the Brewers out. However, Todd, you're looking at a Brewer
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  Speaker 1: team that we saw in Williamsport. It's an uber-talented team.
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  Speaker 1: They got a kid that sat up there in the
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  Speaker 1: booth with us, Jacob Mizorowski, who is beyond his years
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  Speaker 1: in maturity. And look, he didn't have a great division series.
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  Speaker 1: That wasn't his shining moment. But when you go into
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  Speaker 1: a series with Mizorowski, with a bullpen... You guys talk
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  Speaker 1: about culture and vibes with the Dodgers. There's no way
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  Speaker 1: that the Dodgers vibe right now is any better than
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  Speaker 1: Milwaukee's or Tampa Bay's. Now, you want to put the
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  Speaker 1: argument of which comes first, great talent or vibe? I
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  Speaker 1: know this. All three of those teams are vibing. And
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  Speaker 1: I think for the first time in a long time,
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  Speaker 1: the Brewers vibe and talent is enough to seriously contend,
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  Speaker 1: if not beat, the Dodgers. You agree with that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would, I would agree totally. And I think
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  Speaker 3: this is a team right now. It starts with Mizorowski
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  Speaker 3: Henderson to back him up in game two. These two
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  Speaker 3: guys are absolutely phenomenal pitchers and they have.
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  Speaker 2: A beautiful bullpen too.
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  Speaker 3: I saw the, the couple of games that I did see,
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  Speaker 3: it just seemed like when they were down, I think
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  Speaker 3: it was two one or two nothing and three one,
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  Speaker 3: they found a way to come back and call and
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  Speaker 3: get a guy on base and you know, who has
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  Speaker 3: a Contreras, the catcher back there, man alive, he was
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  Speaker 3: on fire. So it's like somebody seems to always step
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  Speaker 3: up for the Brewers, a base hit the left, a
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  Speaker 3: single up the middle. And then their bullpen is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: So I think they have the edge in bullpen. And
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  Speaker 3: if that came down to it, I think hitting, they
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  Speaker 3: don't have the biggest of names, but they got guys
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  Speaker 3: that mash and put the ball in play and don't
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  Speaker 3: strike out a lot. And that are ready for this.
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  Speaker 3: And I think the Brewers, out of all the years
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  Speaker 3: that they found a way and found a way to loss,
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  Speaker 3: this is the year where they can say, hey, listen,
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  Speaker 3: we are not going to lose this one. This is
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  Speaker 3: our time. And it starts with Pat Murphy and management
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  Speaker 3: and how great. And his interview last night, I saw
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  Speaker 3: he seemed to be all in his feels and understanding
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  Speaker 3: how good this team really can be.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. And quickly on the other side, Pratsy.
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  Speaker 1: Acuna had tears in his eyes. They got a couple
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  Speaker 1: of options on him the next couple of years. Look,
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  Speaker 1: the Braves dealt with injuries to Strider and Schwellenbach. They
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  Speaker 1: were banged up. Well, you want to put a sort
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  Speaker 1: of a bow on the Braves here?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the bow on the Braves, they're a short
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  Speaker 5: team because of the fact that it wasn't Acuna's fault.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't the fact that maybe Matt Olsen had one
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  Speaker 5: of the more underrated seasons this year.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't because.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't because Austin Riley had a struggle this year
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  Speaker 5: or Michael Harris, he had a career year this year.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't it.
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  Speaker 5: To me, they were short on their pitching because they
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  Speaker 5: were truly devastated by starting pitching injuries. And that permeates
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  Speaker 5: into the rest of your team. And you can say, well,
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  Speaker 5: the hitting did the blah, blah, all that stuff. No,
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  Speaker 5: it permeates when you have a guy who closes out
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  Speaker 5: one of your postseason games and starts two of them.
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  Speaker 5: And it's Chris Sale and not much else from playoff caliber.
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  Speaker 5: This is also still a very good team. And you
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  Speaker 5: would question a little bit, Ronald Acuna. Does he not
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: show up in the playoffs? Is there more pressure on him? Yes,
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: there's pressure. He was hurt the year they won the
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: World Series. He once won himself.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I know him.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: I know his drive to win. And he is a
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: baseball rat. But this will continue to haunt him until
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: he gets over that hump with this team. And no,
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: nobody's trading Ronald Acuna.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Stop with that. All right, speaking of trades, every time
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: a team loses, they get into conversations about, we've got
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: to shake this– Shake this tree, and that is certainly
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: something that the Yankees have every year that they don't
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: win the World Series. When we come back, Gary Phillips
• 17:44
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• 18:00
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• 18:04
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• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Let's welcome on Yankee reporter for the New York Daily News,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Gary Phillips. All right, Gary. I mean, simple question. Is
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Cashman out? Is Boone out? I mean, Yankee fans, they're wondering,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: are we going to make massive changes here in light
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: of another non-World Series year? Or are those folks going
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: to be sadly disappointed?
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: Think they're going to be sadly disappointed, you know, just
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: to start with Cashman, keep it quick and simple. It
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: would be stunning to see anybody else in the general
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: manager's chair for the New York Yankees. So I fully
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: expect him to be back. You know, he has a
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: great working relationship with Hal Steinbrenner. I don't see any
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: sort of shake up there. And truthfully, I don't really
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: see that happening in the manager's position either.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm.
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: Fans are obviously upset with Aaron Boone. There were a
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: lot of fire Boone shams after the final out last night,
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: but he still has another year on his contract. I
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: think I'll shoot the messenger here, but I think he
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: actually did a really good job during the regular season,
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: navigating the Yankees, numerous injuries and a bullpen that required
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: a lot of breakouts from different guys that you weren't
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: necessarily expecting to be high leverage relievers. And the Yankees
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: are going to, bake in that injury excuse like they
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: have in the past. I also think the potential for
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: an impending lockout plays a factor here. Does Hal Steinbrenner
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: want to pay two managers for what might be an
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: incomplete season or a partial season? It doesn't really seem
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: like something he would do based on just how he's
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: operated in the past. You also have to factor in
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: that if there is a work stoppage, a new manager
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: is going to have a very limited window for getting
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: to know his players, getting to know somebody like Aaron Judge,
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: getting to just communicate because there's restrictions on those sorts
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: of things during those periods, right? So I would be surprised.
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: In short.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we talk about, or you brought up an excuse.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: There was no excuse that they didn't hit. And I
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: think that was the biggest issue there. The pitching was
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: absolutely dynamite. can you talk to me a little bit
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: about what Judge kind of said in his comments? I
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: think what I kind of took from it was he
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: was kind of telling Cashman, bro, we need to get
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: going here.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: We get some dogs.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Not saying these guys couldn't play, but they need to
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: get some players here that are championship-level caliber and some
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: hitters so they can shake it up and win a
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: World Series.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so for those who didn't see Judge's comments after
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: the game last night, he made a mention of Needing
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: to be all in and go all in this offseason
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: when asked about how Cashman and Steinbrenner should respond to
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: another ALDS exit. And that prompted a follow-up. Does Judge
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: feel that the Yankees have gone all in enough during
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: his 11-year ringless tenure? And the first words out of
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: his mouth were, it's tough to say.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: He didn't really.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: elaborate on what he would have wanted them to do
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: differently in the past or what he would like them
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: to do moving forward. You know, it's a very, very
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: limited free agent class coming up, but I thought it
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: was also interesting that he brought up the phrase run
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: it back, which, you know, there was so much talk
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: about the Yankees retaining a largely similar roster this past
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: off season. And that was an idea back in spring
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: or an approach back in spring training that judge endorsed
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: and said he was on board with, but, Last night,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: he was talking about a need to bring in new players,
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: new philosophies, new coaches, things like that, generally speaking, in
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: the sense that all teams do that every offseason or
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: try to do that every offseason. But that really wasn't
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: the case for the Yankees last winter. And they ended
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: up in the same exact spot that they were a
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: year ago against Toronto. So when Judge speaks, he typically
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: has a point and a message that he wants to
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: get across. He does not say things By accident, as
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: you guys know, he's 34 and just had a large
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: chunk of this past season taken away from him due
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: to injury. The work stoppage could take another chunk away
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: from him next season. He's running out of time to
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: win a championship and while simultaneously being, you know, an
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: elite top two player in the game. So, yeah, he
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: made it a point to kind of nudge the front
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: office last night.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: But is it about because they brought back the same
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: team and they were the second best hitting team statistically
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: in the league last year. So bringing back the same
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: team isn't the issue. Aaron Judge isn't the issue. The
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: manager and the GM are not the issue. I agree
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: with every one of those statements. Is it the philosophy
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: or inability to keep up with what it takes to win?
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: And is the Yankees ability to make that shift? from
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: specifically offensively, from homer or bust and making the players
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: that they have, because that's all they're going to have,
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: be the team that can push them over the hump
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: in a game they need to win by one run
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: and not win it by a homer?
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: I'm not so sure that it's homer or bust being
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: the issue, but I do know the Yankees would like
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: to cut back on the amount of strikeouts. That's something
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: that Ryan Cashman talked about last winter, especially at the
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: bottom of the order and how that was going to
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: be a focus on improving that. And that didn't really happen.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: I think there does need to be a little bit
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: more of a balance between contact and power. Home runs
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: are going to win you ball games in the postseason,
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: but there is also something to be said for having
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: a more balanced approach. And I think there's also something
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: to be said for, you know, that they just need
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: to figure out how to survive and stay afloat offensively
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: every time that judge gets hurt. I mean, in 2023,
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: when he goes down with a toe injury, that was
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: not a good remaining roster that they had in place,
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: a good remaining offense that they had in place. This year,
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: I thought there was plenty of talent to survive his absence.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: And with guys like Ben Rice, who might get down
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: ballot MVP votes and Cody Bellinger, who's highest paid, clearing
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: the game this season, like they still faltered. They still
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: collapsed for long stretches of time. And that just can't
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: happen every single time that judge goes down with an injury.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: And I recall as we're joined by Gary Phillips, who
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: of course covers the Yankees for the New York daily
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: news when he did, I was there, Booney, they got athletic.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: They got more athletic than he kind of enjoyed that
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: style of play. He looks across the field and sees
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the Rays play a more athletic style. He looks at
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the Brewers, I'm sure, and they play a little bit
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: more athletic. The conversation around Jazz Chisholm and Trent Grisham,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: who both, like anybody that has ever worn the pinstripes,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say everybody, 95% of them will always say,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: of course, I want to come back. Like, who wouldn't
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: want to go back and play for them? How do
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the Yankees then make the transition into, if it's apparent
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: what's in front of them, to become more athletic and
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: still retain a guy like Judge, Bellinger, who obviously can
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: hit really well, hope that Spencer Jones takes the next step.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: How do they do that? Because in this world of
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, copycat is the thing. But it seems
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: very obvious to fans that the Rays were better, much better.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: They don't have near the payroll. They have one superstar
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: in Caminero and Aranda, and Diaz are probably not considered
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yankee stars if they were on the Yankees. So how
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: do they do that? How do they make the transition?
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Why do they see it and not be able to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: emulate it?
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: I do think that they're hopeful. Some of the young
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: players that they have, like George Lombard Jr., like Spencer Jones,
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: who you mentioned, I think they are hopeful that those
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: guys are going to be key pieces moving forward, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: they would certainly bring some of that speed, some of
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: that athleticism Lombard, you would hope is a guy who
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: could provide contact back to ball skills as he develops
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: as a hitter, Spencer Jones, that might be a little
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: bit more wishful thinking, you know, just with his strikeout
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: and swing and miss tendencies, which he even acknowledged last night. Um,
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: but as, as far as who they bring in, you know, that's,
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: it's a great question because like I said, it's a
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: very limited free agent class. Now, Chisholm might end up
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: being the most talented hitter in this free agent class.
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: And that is more an indictment of the entire group
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: than it is anything to be said about his performance.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: I don't expect him to be back. I don't expect
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: Trent Grisham to be back out. Jazz certainly has the
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: athleticism that we're talking about. Grisham does not. So I
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: would expect those to be two significant departures for the
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: Yankees this year, whether that, actually pans out or not
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: remains to be seen, but that's the indication that I
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: get as we go into the off season now.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I want to, let me just stick with this real quick.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I want to talk about a David Bednar right now.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: And what do you think? I mean, he's up for
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: the qualifying offer. I think it's close to like 23 million.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Do you see the Yankees kind of giving him a
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: shot to come back and be, you know, I don't know,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: maybe the closer, if not the closer, you know, a
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: reliever at the end of the day.
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: Think they should certainly be interested in bringing him back.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: I would think they would be willing to extend him
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: the qualifying offer. As far as a long-term deal, it's
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: tough to say with this team because they haven't given
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: significant money in a multi-year contract to a reliever since
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: 2019 when they locked up Zach Britton and Adam Adovino.
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: It's been years since the Yankees have heavily invested in
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: a free agent reliever. It's something I even wrote about
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: last spring, last off season, I asked Brian Cashman, you know,
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: why essentially is this the organization's stance on paying relievers?
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: And he said, it's not.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: And this is just how things have shaken out and
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: things like that. Now there is some credence, I guess,
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: to leaning on their pitching department and Matt Blake and
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: trying to find diamonds in the rough for cheaper prices.
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: We've seen that work out for the Yankees time and
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: time again, but you also need somebody that And I
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: think one thing the Yankees really like about David Bednar
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: is just his moxie and his embrace of the big
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: moments and the tough moments. And, you know, he's definitely
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: a guy who showed that he has poise and toughness
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: and can handle the bright lights of New York. So
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: if I were the Yankees, I would be very, very,
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: very interested in retaining him. With relievers in them, it
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: always seems to come down to price.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Well, that's definitely a different narrative than when Bednar came in.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: Some people were afraid he would fold under it, and
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: he didn't. So that's great that he was able to
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: change that narrative. My question to you is.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: We've talked about free agent. Who's the best in the
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: free agent class? Blah, blah.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: That's always the narrative around the Yankees. But when I
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: go down the list, and I had to pull it
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: up myself so I didn't miss anybody, I go Ben Rice,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Aaron Judge, Austin Wells, Spencer Jones, George Lombard, Jason Dominguez,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: Anthony Volpe, and I'm missing probably one more guy, all
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: had significant at-bats in the big leagues this year for
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: the Yankees, and they're all from the Yankees system. Are
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: they forcing that because, hey, you know what? The season
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: didn't happen like we wanted it to, but they did
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: have 93 wins. Are they forcing those guys to be
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: big leaguers and maybe trying to build from within? Or
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: is it something that, no, this is the team that
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: you're going to run it back and roll forward with.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: We just had to add a little piece.
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: Well, look, I think every team, even the big spenders,
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: want to have some sort of balance between big contracts
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: and cost controllable guys. Some of the names that you
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: just mentioned were very successful this year and are success
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: stories for the Yankees player development. Other guys are tremendous disappointments.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: I don't know that Jason Dominguez has a future in
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: New York anymore at this point, just to name him
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: as an example.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: So I.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: Think Hal Steinbrenner, just knowing what he has said about
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: payroll and $ 300 million figure and things like that, you know, yeah,
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: he would like to have some cost controllable contracts on there.
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: I think he would like to have a whole lineup
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: of Ben Rice's and a whole rotation full of Cam Schlittler's,
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: but that's just not going to, you know, you're not
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: going to hit on every single guy that you draft
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: or sign as an amateur or that you develop in
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: your own farm system. And it's clear that the Yankees
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: need an infusion of talent and they're going to have
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: to either spend on the select few attractive free agents?
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: Are they going to have to get creative and trade
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: for some impact players? Because clearly what they have right
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: now is not enough.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Last one for me. What is the optimism that Judge
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: is healthy whenever the season starts next season? This was
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: a lost season for Aaron Judge, and I know many
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: people will Connect the dots. We didn't have Aaron Judge.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: We didn't win.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: We need him. Players get reputations for not being able
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: to be on the field. What is the expectation? What's
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the hope? What are some of the things they do
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: to try to keep him on the field for an
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: entire season?
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, with what he has now, just a
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: calf strain, I don't see any reason why he wouldn't
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: be ready on time whenever the season may start. There
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: was obviously risk of him doing further damage if he
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: were to come back this postseason in an expedited timeline.
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: A lot of talk about just how the muscle that
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: he had strained was part of the same kinetic chain
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: as his Achilles. And obviously it was a risk. It
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: would have been a risk to bring him back so soon.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: And that's why the Yankees didn't want to do that.
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: You know, Aaron Boone said last night it was the
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: right thing to do as much as Judge might push
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: back against that or say otherwise, or say that he
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: wanted to be out there and was ready to go.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: Like he wasn't, he suffered a moderate calf strain on
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: September 16th. You know, typically you're talking at least three
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: to six weeks of just recovery for that. But that said,
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: I don't see why that would prevent him from being
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: ready next season as far as staying healthy. That's, that's
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: the million dollar question. You know, do the Yankees get
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: him more DH days if, they move on from John
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: Carlos Stanton, you know, that that's certainly a possibility. Do
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: they just say like, no, no diving, no running into walls.
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: You know, I think that's, that's a much harder thing
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: to tell a player, you know, maybe, maybe they agree
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: in the moment, but when the ball is actually hit
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: and you got to go make a play, that that's
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: a tough thing to keep in mind. So I'm not sure.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure how they keep him healthy. Like I
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: said before, he's getting older. He's a big guy. It's,
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: It's going to be a priority, obviously, but I'm not
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: sure exactly how they pull that off because some of
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: the injuries he's had have just been unlucky and unfortunate.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: All right, my friend, Gary, thanks very much for being
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: with us here. We appreciate it. Yeah. And anytime judges
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: involved in staying healthy, it's not really a million dollar question.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: It's like a hundred million dollar question. But for the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Yankees sake, let's hope let's hope he's able to stay
• 34:31
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• 34:56
  Speaker 2: You think?
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: Well, our team does need some heat on the mound.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: But we also need some power on the plate and
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: someone reliable in the infield.
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: I say we take Jimmy.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Yes!
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: Yes!
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Yes!
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Yes! Maybe next year, guys.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: All right, boys. Let's jump ahead. Leave the Yankees for
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: a while. Buck Showalter is going to join us in
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Cleveland.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: and Chicago. Eric, start with you. Yesterday felt like the day.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: It's weird because you look at games like this, but
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Parker Messick gets to go for the Guardians. If, in fact,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: they win the game, it's Gavin Williams. Bizarrely, they're down,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and yet it feels like the momentum is all theirs,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and the White Sox had another of their bullpen games,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and it didn't work out. How do they turn this
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: thing around?
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: The White Sox, to turn it around, because it's weird
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: that you're saying a team that's up to one needs
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: to turn it around. But after yesterday, after yesterday, that's
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: the reason that teams that are afraid of the bullpen
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: days are afraid of bullpen days. Because what if somebody
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: doesn't have it? Like, especially now with the rules, like
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: you got to get three out, you got to get,
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: or you got to face three batters, that type of thing.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: So I don't think the white socks need to panic.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: I think the panic is still, if there's any panic
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: in this series, it's on the Guardians, but I think
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: it shifts in their favor because of who they have
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: on the mound, because of the fact that they, while
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: they threw their entire bullpen also, it wasn't 100% taxed
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: where I think Parker Messick's going to be able to
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: pick them up and keep them in the game. The
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: reality is the Guardians hit the ball hard even when
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: they were making outs, so everything are they starting to
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: see all these White Sox relievers a few too many times?
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: That's where, if I'm a White Sox catcher, I might
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: be trying to give each batter a different look, remembering
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: what they did because the guys were starting to make
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: better swings, better contact on the Guardians.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Frazier, they struck out 19 times yesterday. 19. 19. Can
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: we put our head in the pillow, wake up and
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: think like the ball is going to look like a
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: beach ball? Or are we in a funk all of
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: a sudden?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't say.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I think it's first game at home there. And all
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, it's like the excitement of, man, we
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: are actually first game of winning. If they win, they
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: win the series there at home. And I think maybe
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: the excitement got to them a little bit. I'm not
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: counting this team out. I think this team is going
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: to beat the Guardians. And I think they're going to
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: move on. But I think they have to understand they
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: don't have to swing outside the strike zone.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: They can calm down. They can relax a little bit.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: The first inning yesterday, they had an opportunity to get two, one,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: maybe two more runs. And now all of a sudden,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: what was it, Maidroff? The right hander got up.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Maidroff.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Maidroff got up there and the first pitch he swung
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: at was over his head and then he struck out
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: on another ball.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Like, slow down a little bit. Take your time. Maybe
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: take a pitch. Breathe.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: And that kind of, got the guardians back to where
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: they needed to be. So one thing I saw the
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: left-handed pitcher from the guardians, those left-handers were really good.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: So again, in Parker Messick, here we go. So, but
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: I do think the white Sox will calm down a
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: little bit today. And I do think ultimately they might
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: have an opportunity to win this series today.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: But I don't think anybody was surprised by the fact
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: that they broke a record and striking out 19 times
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: in a post-season game. That that's the fear as a
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: white Sox fan that, well, this isn't really that far
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: off our norm. We were top three worst strikeout teams
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: in the game. And the guard had the guardians figured
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: out a formula. I think, I think Steven voting the
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: guardians helped. I thought, I thought Foster Griffin could have
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: just continued to mow through that lineup.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I think he had seven.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Punches, the most ever by a reliever in guardians in
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: Indian Cleveland baseball history. Like, I would be afraid that
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: they figured something out that is already there. Like these
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: dudes strike out and they strike out too much. And
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: the energy is going to be even more. The difference
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: is today, the energy and the pressure are going to
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: be there. So maybe this team needs that pressure to
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: be able to push us across the line. Good note
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: as we go to break here, the last time the
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: White Sox actually clinched a playoff series at home, like
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: Fraze thinks is going to happen, the Titanic, the big
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: ship that ran into the iceberg that led to that
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: great movie, was still six years away from being made.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: By the way, it took a few years to make it,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: but it was still six years away from actually being made.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: That's the ship. It's not the movie. It's not Leo.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: That's the ship. That's the last time they clinched at home. Carl,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Todd just asked.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: Me on our thread that we have, he just asked
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: me how nice, he wanted me to ask you how
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: nice the Titanic was.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Like, you saw it? No, he didn't. I know he
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: didn't do that because he doesn't think that way. Like,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: you just made that up. Dodgers, Brewers, Monday, White Sox,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Guardians versus the Rays. On Monday. So which ticket do
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: you want? You want Sunday in Milwaukee? You want Monday
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: in Milwaukee? Or you want game one race? Todd?
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Nobody beats the Miz. Ain't nobody going to beat the Miz.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I want to see him pitch. And whatever day that is,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: that's got to be Sunday, I would assume. That's the
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: guy I want to go see. And the Dodgers, I
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: would assume that would be, is that Yamamoto?
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Or no?
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: It could be Snell. Oh, Google.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: It could be anybody. I think anytime Mizorowski's pitching, I
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: want to go see. So I'm going to go to
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: game one for sure.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: This matchup was waiting to be happened. You couldn't have
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: bought the seats on SeatGeek for back on August 2nd
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: when the Brewers didn't pull the trigger and trade for
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: Scooble to give them the absolute leg up in the
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: National League. And now Scooble's going to pitch in Milwaukee.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: And I assume he's going to pitch against Mizorowski. And
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: there will.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Be some questions, a lot of questions, if it doesn't
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: go the Brewers' way. Let's put it that way. You
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: were looking for the Brewers to pull the deal, get
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: CeCe Sabathia again back in 08, and just have it
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: with his name Scooble on the back. You think they're
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: going to rue that day? No, I don't think they are.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: I'm saying if Scooble gets them, and they beat the Brewers'
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: ace in Mizorowski, then they'll rue the day.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Give me Churio versus Scooble. Give me that plate appearance.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Give me Mizorowski against Otani right off the bat.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Right out of the gate. I mean, 105, his first
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: playoff pitch. Like, I don't even need that. You know
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: what I wanted to see? I wanted to see Scooble
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: versus Mookie Betts versus Otani versus Freddie Freeman. That sounds
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: like a World Series.
• 42:16
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• 42:40
  Speaker 1: It is better than the box scores. We dive into
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the Brewers Padres game last night, starting with what went
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: wrong ultimately for the Padres. You know, they pulled the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: ripcord there and the parachute of Michael King in the
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: game before last night. So that, that saved them for
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: another game. And then they just ran out of gas.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: They get the big hit when they need it. And
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: the Padres kind of died at the end. They went
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: over 21 at the plate to end the season, which
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: is the longest hit list drop by a national league
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: team to end a post-season all time. So, I don't know, Tal,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: when you look at it, there were definitely days where
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: you looked at the Padres and you could sleep on
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: them and say, they could win the World Series. I mean,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: they got dudes on that team, and yet they come
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: up short here again, and it looks like that team's
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: going to look different next year for sure. But what
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: went wrong?
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Excuse me.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: I think you look at this, before I go into them,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: you look at this whole playoff atmosphere.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: There's been some records broken.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, Talk about the 19 strikeouts by the White Sox,
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: 0 for 21. Hitting hasn't been the greatest in this playoff.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: I feel like if we're talking about some sort of drought,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: there's been a drought of a lot of players. There's
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: been a few, but not that many where you're like, oh, man, bro,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: these guys are crushing it at the plate right now.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Not a lot of teams have been doing that.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: I think when you hear Padres, you're like, Man, this
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: team always has a chance to win a World Series,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: but they just never, ever get it done. Expectations, again,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: just another one of those teams where they have the
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: pieces to do everything. I mean, you talk about a
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Fernando Tatis Jr. Took him 55 games at a home run,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: and he still had a pretty good year. Machado, not
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: his best year. Yeah, just a lot of different things.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: A lot of moving parts there. Their bullpen has always
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: been good. I can't really pinpoint... It just, they never really,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: when they got the lead, they never really took it and, like,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: you know, stomped on guys' throats, for lack of better words,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: once they had the lead. It was always, you know,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: nitpicking here. Oh, they came back another run. And it
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: was never that final cut where it's like, oh, man,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: this Padres team, both pitching and hitting, are coming through here.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: This is a team to be reckoned with. Not to
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: be reckoned with because they're that good. But it just
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: never happened.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: I feel like this is, I mean, I don't know
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: if you guys get into the Marvel thing comics where
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: they start doing the metaverse and stuff, like where it's
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: just alternate reality. We could be having this exact same
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: conversation and the Padres are moving on from this series. Yes,
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: I can say, I'm not even going to talk about
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: the season. We talk about in the postseason, Manny Machado
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: showed up. Tatis hit a few big dingers, but outside
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: of that, he didn't really show up at the plate
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: as much. Yes, Ty France, who was one of their
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: better hitters, you know, going into the postseason, Did well.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: Some bad things happened.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: All that stuff.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: This series was easily, easily the best series of the postseason.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: And in my opinion, could possibly be the series that
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: is the World Series champion. And I say that with
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: little doubt that the Brewers were going to win the series.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: But I think somehow the deployment of their bullpen didn't
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: work out. The deployment of their superpower didn't work out.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Because.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: They got outpitched, and it seemed like the Brewers had
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: more depth, especially going into yesterday's game where Gasser starts,
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: and then you're like, oh, man, how are they going
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: to get the rest of their– whoa, how did they
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: get so many outs from those guys? You didn't even
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: see a Kyle Harrison who was going to be a
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: Cy Young candidate before he went to Las Vegas during
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: this season. Like, you didn't see– Mizorowski was in the bullpen.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: He didn't have to come in. It just seemed like
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: the Brewers' depth got to the Padres a little bit.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: But again, I think you could write the same narrative
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: and say, wow, I can't believe the Brewers lost this series.
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: That's how close I feel like this series could have been.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: And it came down to a couple of key, huge moments.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, and you got to wonder how the
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Cubs are feeling right now, because this was a Padre
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: team that was not playing very well. They were below 500.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: They were in 11th place in July and they had
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: won 19 of 22. before they lost three or four
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: here to the Brewers. And the Cubs were part of
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: that victim. All right, so we got ourselves what appears
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: to be a real juicy, tasty NLCS. So let's get
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: to the predictions with Capit. It is presented by Lids. Kratzy,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: which team, Cap, are you going to be repping between Brewers, Dodgers?
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: I already have it on because I think it's going
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: to be the eventual World Series champion. I think the
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: The Brewers are going to be the team that comes
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: out on top here. I was on the original team
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: in 18 that we fell short of the Dodgers in
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: Game 7. I don't think the Dodgers necessarily out-hit us,
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: necessarily out-pitched us that year. It was just they got
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: some key hits.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: We did not.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: And I think it's going to be the exact same
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: this year. As much as I don't like seeing teams–
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: The two best teams are in the National League right now.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: Nothing against the Rays. I believe that this series is
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: the World Series champion. And I believe, as I'm wearing
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: my Brewers hat here, my Father's Day Brewers hat from Lids,
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: so sick, that I think the Brewers' depth in their
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: pitching staff is going to outlast this up-and-down Dodgers lineup
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: and outlast... the depth in the starting rotation that I
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: think the Dodgers have.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Very nice. Very nice.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: So I got two hats here from Lids. I just
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: took my hat off. They're really nice. Kratzy, the more
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: I think about this, the more I think it's going
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: to be one of the most, it was going to
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: be one of the biggest series that was going to
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: go down in history as one of the best seven
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: game series that we're going to see. My only issue,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you right now, I want this Brewer team
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: to win, but my only issue is Scooble twice, Yamamoto twice,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: and I think they're not going to find a way
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: to beat those two guys. Yeah, I know they got Mezarowski.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: I know they have Henderson. I know they have those guys,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: but I'm going with veteran. I'm going with been there
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: before in seven games. I think I'm going to go
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: with the L.A.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Dodgers.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: As much as I don't want to do this, I'm
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: going to say the Dodgers find a way to win
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: that series.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Which speaks to this conversation about the advantage that the
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: deeper team has in seven games. And you just articulated it. Great.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: The idea that you get Yamamoto twice. and you get
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Scooble twice, and we can throw Glasnow in there. Look,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I think the seesaw is pretty damn even here, and
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I do think most of the country is going to
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: be rooting for the Brewers in that series, but I
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: do think the seesaw tends to tip a little bit
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: towards L.A. because over seven games, that extreme quality and
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: depth should overrun L.A. what the brewers are bringing and
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: the brewers are bringing a lot, but I think the
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: brewers are going to have the world with them. I,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I agree with you, Todd, on the amount of times
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: you get to parade Yamamoto and scuba out there.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: And five games, I'm all about the brew crew, seven games,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: a different world. The home field advantage is a big
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: deal for Milwaukee. I mean, they're going to be going nuts.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: But I do think L.A. doesn't mind playing on the road.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: I think that's one of their specialties.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially in the playoffs. So, God, I would love
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: to see Milwaukee win. And I still think they got
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: a really good shot knowing who they are and how
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: they played. But history tends to side with this squad
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: right here. And you've seen what Milwaukee does sometimes. So,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: hopefully it's different for Pat Murphy.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I'm rooting for him.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: That lid looks good on you, by the way. Dodger guy, huh?
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: West Coast.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Hold on. It fell down.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: West Coast. Dodger Frazier. He's definitely a West Coast guy, Carl.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: You've worked with him enough.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: He puts on a nice blue hat.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I like the white.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I like the white. Hey, Frazier, I just saw your
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: boy Johnny Mack just put his house up in Malibu
• 51:16
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• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Who did?
• 51:20
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• 51:22
  Speaker 2: 35 mil. You're the only one here that can buy
• 51:26
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• 52:01
  Speaker 1: for The Athletic, covering the Guardians and Major League Baseball.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: White Sox lead this series 2-1. Cleveland won the game
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: last night 9-3. There were a lot of good things
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: that happened for the Guardians, including striking out a lot
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: of White Sox hitters. One of the things that may
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: have flown under the radar because he hasn't been what
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: you'd expect, was this resurgence of Jose Ramirez. Now, given
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: his injury, Jack, and the idea that yesterday he put
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: together one of his best postseason games ever, is it
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: an injury that you think he can kind of put
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: in the back of the car and carry on from here?
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Is it a momentum type game? Or is this really
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: something that's hit or miss and it depends how it
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: feels when he wakes up? That one.
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: What's up, guys?
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: I think it's, You know, I've never broken my hammate bone,
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: so it's hard for me to relate to, you know,
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: if it was a sprained ankle or something, maybe everybody
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: on their couch could understand what he was dealing with.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: But I know as a hitter, he feels it on
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: certain swings. He feels it, he said, when catching certain pop-ups.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: And every day is kind of a journey, you know.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: He doesn't know, like, when it's going to be most
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: uncomfortable for And if you look at his numbers, he
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: came back in late July. He had a sub 600
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: OPS the final two months, but there were pockets in
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: there where, you know, like in late September, he had
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: four consecutive multi-hit games.
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: And you guys know this, like.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: He can affect the game in so many ways where
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: it doesn't have to be power. You know, you saw
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: it yesterday. He made a great diving stop at a
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: key moment. He stole a base. He sprinted home on
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: a contact plane, manufactured a run, dropped in a couple hits.
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: So, I think that's been the big thing.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: I was looking at his career playoff numbers, and it's
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: been kind of disappointing.
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: I was trying.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: To think of what his signature moment in the playoffs is,
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: and he's had a couple of home runs at key times.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: But there's not that one late in the playoffs where
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: everyone can point to and remember, hey, remember when Ramirez
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: put the team on his back and hit that three-run
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: homer in the eighth inning on October 22nd. And when
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: I was looking through his game logs and trying to
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: find the signature moment, the one stat that stood out
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: to me the most was before yesterday in 47 career
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: playoff games, Jose Ramirez had two stolen bases. This is
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: a guy who steals 35-40 every year. So he's been
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: kind of uncharacteristic in October, and it's difficult for him
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: to be the player he wants to be right now
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: because he's not 100%, but he reminded us in Game
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: 3 yesterday that that there are still ways for him
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: to contribute. And he stole that base, had a couple
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: of hits, and he was key.
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: We heard all about Dave Roberts sticking his head in
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: the hitters meeting and sprinkling the magic dust in the
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: Dodgers hitters. Went, oh yeah, now we can have great
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: at-bats against Chris Sale. Was there a meeting that Steven
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: Vogt or somebody said, because They hit yesterday. They hit
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: against all the exact same pitchers that they've been dominated,
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: but they all did it in the same way. It
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: was low liners to the opposite field that we hadn't
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: seen at all in the series. Is that something that
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: was a concerted effort?
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Do you know?
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: Or was it something that they made the actual adjustment
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: to what they weren't doing in the first two games
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: of the series?
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you guys know this from.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: Your hitting coaches are your therapists a lot of the time, right?
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: And so they believed as game two went on that
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: they were on the right track and they were hitting
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: the ball harder and they were not getting rewarded with
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: it until Joe Adele hit one 413 feet off the
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: wall and center that narrowly missed being a home run.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: But they left that game feeling that even though they
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: didn't have the results, the approach was so much better
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: in game two. than it was in game one, you know,
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: in game one, Grant Taylor through the final four innings,
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: he only needed 42 pitches and the guardians were just
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: up there hacking. And, um, even in the ninth inning,
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: just all three guys struck out on curve balls in
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: the dirt. So they felt like the at-bats are better
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: in game two. And then it's up to the hitting
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: coaches to push that narrative of just stick with this.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: I promise it's going to turn around like we're doing
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: the right things. We've already made strides in this series.
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: And so then you get to game three, and in
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: the first inning, Jose Ramirez hits one 108 off the bat.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: Gritchick makes a diving catch, and you're thinking, you know,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: there might not be enough time for it to turn around.
• 56:39
  Speaker 7: Who knows?
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: And the baseball gods have a funny way of working
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: where the hit that allows everybody to exhale is Joe
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: Adele just hitting a grounder down the right field line
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: that results in a three-run triple. So you never know
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: when that dam is going to break, and I think
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: the good hitting coaches probably– are the ones who can
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: tell you just trust the process and you believe them.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: You buy into it. You're convinced of it. And I
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: think that played a part in turning things around in
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: game three. And once they saw that first big hit drop,
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: you know, from there, it felt like everybody was comfortable
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: and they had good at bats the rest of the game.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: You know, they walked 10 times yesterday. I think that's
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: the key. They were facing elimination and didn't feel like
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: they were pressing.
• 57:24
  Speaker 7: They were patient.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: You mean they actually swung at pitches in the zone
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: instead of ones that were outside the zone. That's a
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: novel thing. Before we get the next question to Zach,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I want to ask Frej, because Zach brought it up, Todd,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: how many therapists have you seen over your baseball career
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: that helped put you in the right frame of mind?
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: This is a big hot-button topic. You know, private hitting coaches,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: the team's hitting coaches. Who in the world are you
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: listening to? Or did you only listen... to the guy
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: in the mirror. How'd that work for you?
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't have anybody.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't think so.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: No, it was just, I would make a phone call
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: to my brother or something because he's been there before
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: and have a conversation. But other than that, it's up here.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm not saying, a lot of people might
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: have some issues.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: That's fine. Like, yeah, you want to get some help.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: But for me, I was mentally strong and understandably I
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: look myself in the mirror and I just remember stuff
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: my dad used to say back in the day, you know,
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: who you represent, you know, your family, your name and
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: all that stuff.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: And that's basically what I did.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, I mean, listen, people have that now and
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of avenues they can go to. So
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: that's just part of the game right now. My question
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: that I wanted to talk about a little bit now
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: that the momentum kind of switched a little bit. Do
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: you see this Cleveland Guardian team making waves here and
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: pushing to win not only game four, but get back
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: home and win game five? I mean, momentum is a
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: huge thing here. How do you see this one really
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: playing out if you had to decide?
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: So with the caveat that the atmosphere should be electric
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: and this time of year, you absolutely never know what
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: hits are going to fall in or if a pitcher
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: is going to have it on a particular day. This
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: game four was always the game that was going to
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: be set up most favorably for Cleveland because they've got
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: Parker Messick on regular rest. He's their ace and the
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: White Sox are with their pitching chaos and leaning so
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: heavily on the bullpen, they've got to do this for
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: a second day in a row, which they haven't had
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: to do a lot of in the post season. So,
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: you know, Hagan Smith's going to start for them, but
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: Hagan Smith threw 21 pitches yesterday and they've tried to, to,
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: to coddle him a little bit. So how sharp will
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: he be? You know, we've seen Sean Newcomb get used
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: a ton. Grant Taylor is rested and that's big for Chicago.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: So he can certainly go, you know, two, three, who
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: knows how many innings, but they're going to have to
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: piece this together. The white socks, you know, with Jordan
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: Hicks and Eric Fetty and Anthony K and, uh, they
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: used a lot of pitchers yesterday. And meanwhile, the guardians
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: can throw Parker Messick for however long he, he can go.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: And they've got Kate Smith lurking at the backend. So
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: it feels like this is one, the guardians were always
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: hoping would play out this way. Um, and then you
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: can send it to a game five where anything can happen.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: So it's set up well, but also these two teams
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: all year, they've now played 16 times. It feels like
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: every single game has been dramatic and come down to
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: one key pitch here or there. So I would expect
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: more of the same tonight.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: If the Guardians lose tonight, does it lean back to
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: the fact, I know the score wasn't 9-3 at the time,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: But it's going to be because their pitching got tired
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: or they didn't hit, whatever it is, but leaning back
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: to Foster Griffin coming out of that game. Did that
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: feel a little scripted by a manager in Steven Vogt
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: that I don't see scripting things just because of how
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: dominant Foster Griffin was at that point in the game?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it could be.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: You know, they didn't tip their hand at all on
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: what they were going to do. We had seen Daniel
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: Espino and Joey Cantillo kind of be the partnership that
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: they were leaning on in that role over the last
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: few weeks. And it had worked really well. And then
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: you see Foster Griffin was warming up like two pitches
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: into the game. And so they clearly had this plan
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: for a little bit. And I think everybody was surprised.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: Stephen Kwan said he had a jump scare when he
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: watched Foster Griffin jog in in the first inning. He
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: didn't even know Foster Griffin was in the bullpen. The
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: guy hadn't pitched in two weeks. So, I don't know
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: if they just didn't want to press their luck just
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: because he was so effective and they didn't really know
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: what to expect from him. There's one wild card here,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: and I'm not quite sure what to make of it yet.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know what they're going to do. But, you know,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: Gavin Williams, Stephen Vogt said he was unavailable yesterday. Yesterday
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: would have been his day to throw a pen. Gavin
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: said he did not throw a side session. He did
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: not throw a side session, and he actually spent the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: game in the bullpen. He threw 98 pitches in game two.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: He would be on regular rest for game five. I'm
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: just a little curious if he's available in the bullpen
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: and they might not trust Hunter Gattis right now, as
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: you said. They used a ton of guys in game three.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: So if you need to bridge the gap to Cade Smith,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: do you go with Gavin Williams for an inning or
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: two and just say, we're just trying to survive. We're
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: just trying to get to a game five and we'll
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: figure that out. if we do it, if we do survive.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: I'm very curious to see what, what the plan is there.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Interesting. I mean, that's, that's a good seed to plant
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: in there and we'll keep an eye on where he
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: starts the game. And if he's out there, boy, I
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: can't think of a more fine line. It's a one
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: run game and the guardians are down in the fifth inning.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Is he the guy you go to to keep it one?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: You got to chase a win because you got to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: get a win and there is no game five, but
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: In an ideal world, obviously, like it worked out for
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Mizorowski and the Brewers, you have him available for that game.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: You've got a pretty cool feature that came out in October.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: You just talked about kind of interesting teammates, roommates, bedfellows.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about Vogt and Arnerich and
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: how that whole thing works. I think that's pretty interesting.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's the manager and the bench coach, and
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: it's hard to tell the difference between the two.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: They look the same.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: They're about the same size, similar age. the same exact
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: beard with like patches of gray in the same spots.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: It's uncanny. And so they've, you know, they've, this dates back.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: About four or five years where Arnerich was coaching in
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: Seattle for a while.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: Um, he started.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: Hearing from more and more people, you know, you look
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: like this guy on, on the A's Steven vote and
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: they had never met and then vote retired. He was
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: interviewing for a coaching position with the Mariners and lo
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: and behold, these guys are on the same staff. So
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: they became good friends that year. Steven Vogt bought him
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: a pair of Step Brothers socks, you know, with Will
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Ferrell and John C. Reilly, and they joked that they
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: were like those guys. And then Craig Albernaz was Vogt's
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: bench coach in Cleveland. Albernaz goes to Baltimore to become
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: their manager. Vogt needs a bench coach. Arnerich is the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: perfect fit, right? So Arnerich shows up to his interview
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: in Cleveland. He lifts his pant leg. There are the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: Step Brothers socks with Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly's
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: faces on them. So, you know, Steven Vogt lives, he's
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: managing in Cleveland. His family still lives in the Pacific Northwest.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: He's lonely for a few months of the year when
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: the kids are in school. So Arnerich got the job.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: Vogt said, hey, want to move in? I got a
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: spare bedroom in my basement. Arnerich said yes. And it's
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: become like therapeutic for them. You know, they go home
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: after a long day at the ballpark. They sit on
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: the couch. They turn on a West Coast game. They
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: debrief about the game that just happened. They plan ahead
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: for the next day. And those are conversations most people
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: have at the ballpark. But I think sometimes when it's
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: a long day at the ballpark, you just want to
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: go home and sit on the couch and you can
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: talk shop there. So it's been a fun relationship. I
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: think it's helped both of them. And, you know, they,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: you know, they've joked votes. Family went back to the
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: Pacific Northwest at the start of September because for the
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: new school year, Arnerich was staying at a hotel for
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: a couple months. He moves back in and they both joked.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: Now we're going to start winning. And lo and behold,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: that's what happened.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: And you mentioned Hunter Gattis. Can you elaborate a little
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: bit more? Because yesterday looked uncanny. Unlike Hunter Gattis, where
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: it was almost every pitch was lost glove side, glove side.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: Was there something that he's been dealing with? Has he gone.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Through this throughout the year? Because I haven't seen every
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Guardians game.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he just didn't have command and maybe
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: was trying to be too fine with his slider. And
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: the problem was there was traffic and he just hit
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: back-to-back guys.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: It was... I.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: Can imagine the pressure you're feeling when you don't have
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: your command and you're trying to figure out how to
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: get ahead of a hitter and you have to because
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: the bases are loaded. But if you don't have it
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: and you're trying to place this slider perfectly and, you know,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: then he's... he's hitting guys and he's bringing in a
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: run and it's, it could go haywire really quickly. So
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: the key for him, like he's, he's always been so
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: good at just throwing strikes and getting ahead. Like he
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: doesn't have the most overpowering stuff and his strikeout numbers
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: for a backend reliever are not, they're not going to
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: jump off the page.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: So when he doesn't have.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: It, you know, and the problem is, you know, the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: rules now you got to face three batters. I think
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: we could tell from batter one that he didn't have
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: a yesterday and, So now you've got.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: To pick the right spots to use him.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: The White Sox have such a good balanced lineup of
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: lefties and righties, guys they can turn to off the bench.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: Randall Gritchick against a lefty, Ben Intendi against a righty.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: So you have to pick your spots, I think, not
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: just with him, but like Eric Sabrowski in Game 2.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: It was a similar deal.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Quick question for you. I know that they're focused on
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: each other, and certainly from your perspective, they're dealing with
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: the White Sox. I'm wondering... when and if the Yankees
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: and Rays' conversation came up, was there any feeling from
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: the room about the outcome of the series, about who
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: was the better team, about any of that, who we'd
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: rather face, yada, yada, yada? How aware were they of
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: the other series going on?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: No, I think they just wanted to know what time
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: they were going to play game four. They certainly know
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: those teams well, right? It feels like the Guardians.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: In recent years, the guardian season has ended against the
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: Yankees in the post season quite a bit lately. And
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  Speaker 4: the guardians and rays have made a ton of trades
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  Speaker 4: over the years. Junior common arrow obviously came from Cleveland's
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  Speaker 4: organization when he was a teenager. So there's plenty of
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  Speaker 4: familiarity there as well. So no surprises, I think like there,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, they're, they've got a lot on their plate,
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  Speaker 4: just trying to dig out of the hole that.
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  Speaker 7: They created for themselves in this series.
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  Speaker 4: So, If they are fortunate enough to advance, who knows
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  Speaker 4: what pitchers will be available when, but I think they'll
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  Speaker 4: just be thrilled and relieved that they have a chance
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  Speaker 4: to sort all that out.
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  Speaker 1: They got a chance to live for another day. We'll
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  Speaker 1: keep an eye on Williams.
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  Speaker 2: Good story.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks very much, Zach. We appreciate it. Make sure to
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