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Unlocking Kubrick's Hidden Meanings: A Clockwork Shining | Isaac Weishaupt · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 2: If you're a Stanley Kubrick fan and you're into the
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  Speaker 2: symbolism hidden in his works. You've seen the Shining, You've
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  Speaker 2: seen the clockwork Gardens, You've got to listen to today's episode.
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  Speaker 3: I've got two very special guests.
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  Speaker 2: And they're gonna break down an amazing theory connecting a
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  Speaker 2: lot of elements about Stanley Kubick that you've got to hear.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about a clockwork Shining, Kubrick's Outyssey three, a
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  Speaker 2: new documentary by Rider Lee and none other than Jay Widner, who.
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  Speaker 3: I've talked about many times on this show.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna talk today about the symbolism of an MK
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  Speaker 2: ALTRM mind control, some of Kubrick's secrets, the Beatles Alchemy,
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  Speaker 2: NASA operation paper clip. I'm gonna hit him with the
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  Speaker 2: big question, is Kubrick a good guy? Or is he
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  Speaker 2: a bad guy? And we're gonna talk about a Catcher
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  Speaker 2: in the rye, which you gotta say, subscribe to my
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  Speaker 2: show because I'm gonna do a book review of this
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  Speaker 2: and it's gonna be crazy. So make sure you catch
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  Speaker 2: a catcher in the book review. When I dropped that here.
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  Speaker 2: In the next few weeks. But today's episode you gotta
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  Speaker 2: stick around at the end because Jay Widner he gives
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  Speaker 2: us some clues on a secret society in Denver that
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't even want to mention their name because they're
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  Speaker 2: so danger and I maybe my man's found the Illuminati
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  Speaker 2: for real.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a very special episode.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very excited because you know, I'm very much into
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  Speaker 2: Kubrick and you should be.
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  Speaker 4: Two.
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  Speaker 2: So take a listen today as we discuss A Clockwork
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  Speaker 2: Shining Kubrick's Odyssey three and go stream it. Support these
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  Speaker 2: guys at Amazon or Apple TV. Plus I'll have links
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  Speaker 2: in the show notes where you can find all their works.
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  Speaker 2: All right, today I'm joined by two very special guests
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  Speaker 2: who need no introduction, but I'm gonna give you one anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Our first guest is Rider Lee. He's the director of
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  Speaker 2: A Clockwork Shining Kubrick's Odyssey three. He's also the host
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  Speaker 2: and producer of the Raised by Giants podcast. Tons of
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  Speaker 2: great guests Clyde Lewis, Ryan Burns, Whitley Strieber, Darcy Weer,
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  Speaker 2: and of course our other guest, Jay Widner. He's also
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  Speaker 2: the director of jfk X Solving the Crime of the
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  Speaker 2: Century with Jay Widner, which leads us to our second
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  Speaker 2: guest today, the legend the man himself, Jay Widener, producer
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  Speaker 2: of A Clockwork Shining Kruber's Odyssey three. He's the director
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  Speaker 2: of Kubrick's Odyssey one and two Beyond Belief with George Nori,
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  Speaker 2: mastermind of the of the Guy, a network as seen
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  Speaker 2: in the Darcy Weird documentary that I just wrapped up
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  Speaker 2: called Dark Alliance that's also a mussy. Jay's also featured
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  Speaker 2: at the top of my special Thanks in my twenty
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  Speaker 2: fourteen Kubrick's Code Book, where I dived into the symbolism
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  Speaker 2: of Stanley Kubrick, and anyone who's followed me since twenty
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  Speaker 2: eleven knows I've referenced Jay Widner countless times as an
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  Speaker 2: inspiration for how I got into this strange world of conspiracy, synchrol, mysticism,
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  Speaker 2: and cryptocubrology. So Writer and Jay are here to discuss
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  Speaker 2: our latest project, The Clockwork Shining Kubrick's Odyssey three, now
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  Speaker 2: available on Amazon Prime, which is where I bought and
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  Speaker 2: streamed my copy. So while we're having our discussion today,
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  Speaker 2: I want my dear listeners to get the full story.
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  Speaker 2: Go get the movie require viewing if you're into the
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  Speaker 2: Kubrick symbolism theories. So I followed Jay Widener since before
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  Speaker 2: I started my blog in twenty eleven, and Jay, you
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  Speaker 2: were very influential in my early research and interest into
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  Speaker 2: the esoteric side of Kubrick.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm very excited for this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty new to Writer's work and I'd love to
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  Speaker 2: start out there by asking writer your inspirations, How did
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  Speaker 2: you get into Kubrick, how'd you get into symbolism? What
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  Speaker 2: is your primary interest in this sort of field of conspiracy,
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  Speaker 2: synchral mysticism, entertainment, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 5: Well, first off, thanks for having to sound really appreciate it, brother.
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  Speaker 5: And what it happened was is I was bringing Jay
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  Speaker 5: on my show, and I was familiar with his work before,
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  Speaker 5: and I'd watched his two prior movies to this, Cubri's
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  Speaker 5: Odyssey one in Cubri's Odissey two. And I like to,
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  Speaker 5: you know, watch people's work before I bring them on,
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  Speaker 5: so you know, I have good things to ask some
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  Speaker 5: questions about, and I can keep the conversation going. And
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  Speaker 5: I was watching The Shining over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, I got to bring something new to
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  Speaker 5: the table here when I'm talking to Jay Widner, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I got to be bringing something new that I have seen.
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  Speaker 5: And I was watching The Shining over and over and
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  Speaker 5: over again, and I was like, well, am I going
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  Speaker 5: to find anything here that people haven't seen before? And
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  Speaker 5: I was kind of skeptical of that. I was like,
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  Speaker 5: am I. I guess there's so many theories about Stanley
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  Speaker 5: Kubrick and The Shining and it's the most theorized movie
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  Speaker 5: ever in the history of movies. And I'm rewatching it
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  Speaker 5: and rewatching it, and I am starting to see things
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  Speaker 5: that no one had ever seen. And then I bring
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  Speaker 5: it up to Jay Wiener on my show, which was
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  Speaker 5: around two years ago, and I was like, Jay, this
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  Speaker 5: is what I think is going on. And Jay was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I think you're right. And a few months later I
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  Speaker 5: hit him up. I was like, Jay, we need to
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  Speaker 5: do a documentary on this, and he was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I think we should. And we ended up doing jfk
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  Speaker 5: X first, which I'm really glad that we did JFKX
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  Speaker 5: first because it gave me the ability to cut my
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  Speaker 5: teeth on a different type of movie and this one
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  Speaker 5: was before this one, so and this one was a
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  Speaker 5: really big project. It took me a really long time
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  Speaker 5: to put all this stuff together. We have so many
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  Speaker 5: things in it. There's a lot of people. And we
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  Speaker 5: got Mark dovlin in and we got Walter boseleyfo SI
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  Speaker 5: agent Walter Bosley. We got author and researcher Joe Atwell
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  Speaker 5: and MK Ultra Monarch survivor Kathy O'Brien. So that's a
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  Speaker 5: little bit about the inception and how it came to
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  Speaker 5: be was just me watching the Shining over and over
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  Speaker 5: and over and over again. Like a lot of people
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  Speaker 5: in this community that have found you know, Kubrick symbolism over,
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  Speaker 5: that's what I did as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those it's one of those things
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  Speaker 2: that it's it's been so influential for me, the Kubrick stuff.
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  Speaker 2: As a as a teenager, I was watching Kubrick movies
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't really understand what was going on with them,
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  Speaker 2: and it just made me keep watching and watching and watching.
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  Speaker 2: And it wasn't it wasn't until it was around in
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  Speaker 2: the two thousands. I was listening to podcast early on
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  Speaker 2: and that's where I found Jay's work. I believe I
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  Speaker 2: was listening to Freeman fly Out. I don't even remember
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  Speaker 2: at this point, might have been Red Ice Radio Veritas,
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  Speaker 2: I don't even remember. Just uh that there wasn't there
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  Speaker 2: wasn't anyone else that was really covering the Kubrick symbolism
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  Speaker 2: and stuff. And and Jay, I've heard your interviews over
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  Speaker 2: the years many times, and it's it's it's interesting about
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  Speaker 2: it that I finally caught up with you, because it's
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  Speaker 2: always been in the back of my mind, Like man,
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  Speaker 2: I got to get a hold of Jay Widener, I
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  Speaker 2: got to interview this guy, right, And because I consider
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  Speaker 2: you one of the godfathers.
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  Speaker 3: Of this this uh, this.
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  Speaker 2: Corner of pop culture meeting conspiratorial symbolism and syncral mysticism.
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  Speaker 3: And for for.
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  Speaker 2: My guests who maybe aren't familiar with your your background,
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  Speaker 2: would you mind would you mind sharing uh? You know,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously you know you can you go far as
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  Speaker 2: far back as you want, But I'm interested in how
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  Speaker 2: far back these interests for you go into this realm
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  Speaker 2: because I've had this uh and and let me frame
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  Speaker 2: this up better. I've been researching a lot of James
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  Speaker 2: Shelby Downard recently. He's one of these sort of legendary
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  Speaker 2: figures in this realm, and and you know, there's a
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  Speaker 2: guy who've been talking about the stuff for a long time,
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't. I had no idea who they were.
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  Speaker 2: So would you mind sharing with us? What got you
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  Speaker 2: into all of this sort of field of research.
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  Speaker 1: Well, actually I started out studying alchemy. I was an
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  Speaker 1: atheist and believed in science and everything. I was a
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  Speaker 1: screenwriter in Hollywood and I discovered the book Mystery of
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  Speaker 1: the Cathedrals by the anonymous alchemist named ful Knelli, and
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  Speaker 1: I set out to disprove the book. Essentially, I was
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  Speaker 1: going to completely debunk it, and so I read it
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  Speaker 1: like like writer watched the Shining. I read this book
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  Speaker 1: like forty times, and every time I read it, I
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  Speaker 1: got more and more converted into believing that maybe I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know everything about this reality. Maybe I'm wrong about
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, and that kind of cracked open
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  Speaker 1: my psychic I don't know whatever. And at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: I was really interested in movies, and my first religious
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  Speaker 1: experience was going to see two thousand and one Space
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  Speaker 1: Odyssey when I was fifteen, and literally I couldn't get
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  Speaker 1: out of my chair when the movie ended, my girlfriend's
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  Speaker 1: like trying to pull me and what was that right?
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  Speaker 1: And I immediately went out and bought a movie camera
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  Speaker 1: editing thing. My family thought I had gone crazy. My
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  Speaker 1: dad was questioning me because I was going to be
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  Speaker 1: an engineer, and all of a sudden, I wasn't going
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  Speaker 1: to be an engineer anymore. And so the two kind
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  Speaker 1: of went together, and finally the whole thing, my filmmaking
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  Speaker 1: skills and I guess my mystical bent, you know, finally
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  Speaker 1: married together when I became the head of production and
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  Speaker 1: had a content at Gaya in twenty twelve, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: produced abround I think two thousand hours worth of programming.
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  Speaker 1: I was the only producer from twenty twelve twenty sixteen
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  Speaker 1: when they finally hired somebody else to produce, and so
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  Speaker 1: I retired in twenty eighteen, and then Rider got me
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  Speaker 1: out of retirement in last year, at well a year
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  Speaker 1: and a half ago, when we decided to do JFKX,
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  Speaker 1: and I got back into the swing of it. Now
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  Speaker 1: I'm really enjoying myself and got a lot of future
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  Speaker 1: projects we're going to approach and do. And I think
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  Speaker 1: actually Clockwork Shining is the best of the Qubic trilogy,
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  Speaker 1: just because I did those all by myself. I mean
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  Speaker 1: I did the voice over, I did editing, the shooting,
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  Speaker 1: everything myself. And it was just really nice to have
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  Speaker 1: a collaboration where I could reflect off of the ideas
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  Speaker 1: off of somebody else and then that person could also execute,
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  Speaker 1: which I agree with you writer, doing JFKX was just
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  Speaker 1: one of the more brilliant moves that we made in
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  Speaker 1: this whole process, because really, you cut your teeth on it.
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  Speaker 1: We got to make a film, made money, and we
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  Speaker 1: got to use that money to make a clockwork shining,
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  Speaker 1: and so we got to make a much bigger production time.
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  Speaker 1: But basically, I've just I've studied alchemy and filmmaking, and
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  Speaker 1: I came to the conclusion about twenty five years ago
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  Speaker 1: that two thousand and one A Space Odyssey is really
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  Speaker 1: a work of alchemy. It's the only film that's actually
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  Speaker 1: a work of alchemy, and it has all the four
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  Speaker 1: stages of alchemy. It has the process of alchemy, has
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  Speaker 1: the ultimate redemption where you're reborn as a star child
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  Speaker 1: at the end, and and then you know, probably one
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  Speaker 1: of the highest points of my life was when I
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  Speaker 1: got an email from Christian Kubrick's secretary to tell you
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  Speaker 1: mean that if I remember in London to come visit her,
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  Speaker 1: she wants to talk to me. And I never did
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  Speaker 1: it because I was afraid I'd get followed and maybe
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  Speaker 1: caused some problems for her because she, you know, probably
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  Speaker 1: was going to tell me things that well, probably more
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  Speaker 1: about alchemy, by the way, I think that's what she
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  Speaker 1: was interested in talking to me about. So the interest
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  Speaker 1: you have had a high interest in alchemy apparently.
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  Speaker 3: Oh interesting, he was saying, Yeah, it is interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I I I got in like I, like
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  Speaker 2: I alluded to earlier a lot of my formative research
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  Speaker 2: of getting into this because when I started out, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was very similar paths. I went to school for
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  Speaker 2: engineering and I kind of did systems engineering for a while,
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  Speaker 2: and you know now I kind of I kind of
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  Speaker 2: still have a day job of this, this sort of podcasting,
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  Speaker 2: book writing thing is my obsessive hobby that that works
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  Speaker 2: out for me. But the a lot of the ideas
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  Speaker 2: of alchemy and film being a sort of initiue a
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  Speaker 2: tory experience that resonates with me as well.
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  Speaker 3: And it's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Now some people like us can watch you know, because
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  Speaker 2: I'm super into uh Kubrick films and Twin Peaks, and
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  Speaker 2: there's something about it that it just speaks on this
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  Speaker 2: much deeper level and some people get it and say
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  Speaker 2: people just.
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  Speaker 3: Don't get it right.
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  Speaker 2: And the two thousand and one of Space out to
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  Speaker 2: see all chemical process that that was something that led
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  Speaker 2: me to read all the books that Arthur C. Clark wrote,
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  Speaker 2: all the sequels, and and when you read the sequels,
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  Speaker 2: it lays it out very clearly that they have a
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  Speaker 2: plan for mankind and it's to get us into this
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  Speaker 2: digital consciousness slash digital matrix, you know again, and it
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  Speaker 2: gets into a lot of spirituality of Kabbala and sort
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  Speaker 2: of re taking man from spirit to material realm and
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  Speaker 2: then back into the spiritual realm is kind of what
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  Speaker 2: they're seems like they're doing.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, fascinating stuff it is.
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  Speaker 1: And the more I look into it and the more
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  Speaker 1: I think about it, the more it seems obvious to
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  Speaker 1: me that of course Kubrick would have been taken in
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  Speaker 1: to the uh what you want to call it, the complex,
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  Speaker 1: you know, of the leadership of the world because of
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  Speaker 1: his incredible filmmaking skills, and you know, he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: tell us. You know, there's all sorts of movies, right
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  Speaker 1: and I we were talking about this the other day,
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of movies in Hollywood which clearly point to
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Kubrick had something to do with the
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  Speaker 1: moon landings. There's Toy Story one where Buzz Lightyear finds
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  Speaker 1: out he's not a real astronaut, and the carpets from
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  Speaker 1: the shining or in the background when he discovers that
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  Speaker 1: he's not an astronaut. And then there's also that movie
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  Speaker 1: being there with Peter Sellers where they're playing the music
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  Speaker 1: from two thousand and one in Space Odyssey and they're
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  Speaker 1: showing Apollo eleven toys in a window at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: Moment and over and over you can see the In
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  Speaker 1: Wag the Dog, the film director's name is Stanley, played
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  Speaker 1: by Dustin Hoffman, and he's doing secret work for the
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  Speaker 1: CIA and he wants to get credit for it, and
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  Speaker 1: then he dies at the end. Over and over we
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  Speaker 1: see that you know, this is not a big secret. Now,
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  Speaker 1: what is a secret and what it is going to
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  Speaker 1: come across as a shock to everybody is what we
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  Speaker 1: show in a clockwork Shining, Because that, to me is
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  Speaker 1: the mother load of all of all of his films.
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  Speaker 1: Actually don't like The Shining as much as a lot
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  Speaker 1: of other films, but he puts so much in it.
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  Speaker 1: He just he puts so many layers in it that
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  Speaker 1: it becomes undeniable. And you know, and I'd always had
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  Speaker 1: this weird suspicion about it. I remember talking to Dave McGowan,
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  Speaker 1: who wrote weird scenes in Laurel Ken. We talked about
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  Speaker 1: how the Lookout Mountain Hotel looks so much like the
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  Speaker 1: Overlook in the Sanley Kubrick's movie. And he also brought up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Monarch poster when we were talking to
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  Speaker 1: having this conversation, and it always struck me as weird that
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  Speaker 1: that Monarch poster was in that room when Operation Monarch
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  Speaker 1: was such a pivotal part of the MK Ultra programs.
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  Speaker 1: And then you realize, of course, after Barry Lindon, Shining,
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  Speaker 1: Full Middle Jacket and Nights White Shut are actually more
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  Speaker 1: than movies. Their experiments, their experiments, and each one has
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  Speaker 1: a purpose for the experiment has a purpose, and the
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  Speaker 1: purpose of the experiment of the Shining was to reveal
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  Speaker 1: not only that the MK Ultra operations, but actually how
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  Speaker 1: they did how they use actors and the drugs and
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  Speaker 1: all of that stuff to massage the brain. And then
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  Speaker 1: we brilliantly bring it around to show you that everything
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  Speaker 1: now is k everything.
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  Speaker 2: It's definitely fascinating to me, and it's and on a
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  Speaker 2: as a sort of side note, because I do want
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  Speaker 2: to come back to Dave McGowan in one second. The
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  Speaker 2: I remember I watched Kubrick's Out Ofsse one and two
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  Speaker 2: because I started blogging in twenty eleven, podcasting in twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 2: and I was writing books ever since twenty twelve, and
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  Speaker 2: the Kubrick's Outossey one and two. I listened to a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of interviews with with you J and I recall
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  Speaker 2: around twenty twelve or thirteen, you said you were working
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  Speaker 2: on Kubrick's Out of Sy three and I've been waiting
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  Speaker 2: for years and years and years, and I kind of
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  Speaker 2: gave up. I was like, oh, you know, he's I
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  Speaker 2: guess he's not going to do it, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: and I don't even know how it crossed my radar,
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  Speaker 2: but I saw the somewhere on somewhere that there was
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  Speaker 2: a Kubri's Otisty three.
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  Speaker 3: I said, I my jaw dropped because it was my birthday.
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  Speaker 2: My birthday's on jfk'ssassination day, eleven twenty two, and that's
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  Speaker 2: what I saw it.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is a great birthday present. Ever,
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  Speaker 3: so I hurried over to Amazon and.
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  Speaker 2: And watched it, and yeah, I'm I'm with you guys
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  Speaker 2: one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: I think that this could be.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of the the Granddaddy of all the big secrets, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's a seneque non of of all the Kubic research.
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  Speaker 1: I do believe, and it it doesn't reject anybody else's
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  Speaker 1: research either. We're like, screw you, We're the ones that
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  Speaker 1: found everything. But that's not what this is about. What
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  Speaker 1: this is about is how clever Kubrick snuck all this
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  Speaker 1: in to a pop culture icon like Stephen King's The
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  Speaker 1: Shining Right and Stephen King's heads whirl and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on here? I can't figure out what this
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: movie is about? Right, And it's like, this is what
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: it's about, man, and you know, and maybe about the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Holocaust and slaughter of Native Indians and the moon landing
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: and all that that would not that actually goes in
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: with MK ulture if you think about it, right, right,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Holocaust of the paper clip guys coming over with the
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: mk Ultra research it. They then gave to you know,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the psychiatrists and the CIA, the sphychiatrists I like to
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: call him. So yeah, I think. I think if you
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: really want to understand Cubic, you got to watch the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: entire Qubriic's Odyssey, but you won't get it until number three.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Yes, I agree, the mood Landing.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: The second one is all the mystical aspects of two
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: thousand and one, and the third one really it's a
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: marriage between a clockwork Orange and the Shining, two of
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the more interesting films that he made.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of it's like, sorry, writer, it's just
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: like an onion, right, I'm trying to describe for the audience.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: It's like an onion because, like you were saying, it
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: doesn't disqualify other theories or topics. It's just you kind
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: of got to understand each layer that he baked into
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: these films.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Go ahead, rider, Yeah, it's just people like you cannot
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: like the movie or not like us or something or
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: like that, because there's been a few people that has
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: just been like, oh well, you know, it's uh, whatever
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: about it. Because they don't like either one of us
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: or Jay Winner. But it's very difficult to argue with
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Like there hasn't been anybody that has come out and
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: been like, no, this isn't what's going on in this movie,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: Like it's it's laid out in such a way that
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: it's once you see all of the clues that we
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: present in our movie, it's undeniable at that point. Like
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: Jay was just talking about the Monarch poster in the background,
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: there's a you know, Wendy and Dan Wendy. When we
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: first meet Wendy, she's reading a book buying intelligence officer J. D.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: Salinger called Ketcher in the Rye, which Catcher in the
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Rye has been you know, associated with two major assassinations.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: It happened within a year of The Shining, which was
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: John Lennon and uh, what's the Roman Reagan and which
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: is another thing that is really interesting because there's so
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: much Beetles symbolism within The Shining as well. And then
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: John Lennon was assassinated less than a year after The
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Shining was released, and the high Catcher in the Rye
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: in there, which was before the assassination took place, and
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: then you look at.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I interrupted that you just reminded me of something very
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: little known fact. Stanley Kubrick and the Beatles were in
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: discussion to make Lord of the Rings in like nineteen
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: sixty nine. They were in discussion. He was actually in discussion.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: They were going to play the Four Hobbits and Kubrick
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: was going to make it. And there's no way, he said,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I could do the effects. You up on the product.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: But you reminded me that now I know why he
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: has the Abbey Road stuff in the shining all right.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Then Stephen King got the name of the book from
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: a John Lennon song which says, we all go on.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that. It's funny you guys brought
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: that up. In fact, you know another weird synchronicity. I
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: when I first started out, I was working with Mark Devlin.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: We did a bunch of interviews together and such, and
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: it was funny. I the day before I saw that
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Cubrick's Honesty three was released, I had I had emailed
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Mark because about a year prior he had emailed me,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: and I was just too busy and I got around
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: didn't get around to replying to him, and I was like, oh,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I'm such a jerk, and it hit me.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: One day.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I got to write him back.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I write him back.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: And then the next day I see Kuber's Odyssey three.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, crap, I gotta watch this. So I
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: stream it and lo and behold there's Mark Devlin in
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: the in the documentary. And what's interesting is that I
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: believe when I read his first book, Oh, I can't
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: think of the title of it, Uh, terrible host musical.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, there you go.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I believe he talked about the mk Ultra connection to
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: the Beatles with the Dennis John Riley and I just
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: saw on the tabloid New it was last week that
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: it they referenced an older book that was from fifteen
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: years ago about a book about the Beatles, and it
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: just started resurfacing this idea that they were actually not
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: just dosed with LSD, but maybe they were actually mk
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Ultra by miss Dennist, who as he's connected with the intelligence.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: And greatest mk Ultra operation of all time. There's just
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And they didn't write their own music,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: they didn't write the lyrics. They did sing, but they
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: didn't play the music. We're pretty dang sure of that
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: by now, so we were going to actually believe it
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: or not. The next movie was going to be on
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the Beatles, but all the people started pulling out because
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: they got worried that we'd get sued by Apple, which
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: we probably could. So it was going to be the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: third one. Writer was going to direct it, and just
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: like these last two, but we didn't get to it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: So if you got something else.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Writer, I didn't mean to cut you off. Where were
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: you going with that? You you start you were talking
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: about a catcher in the JD sound.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: However we had catcher in the writhe then you also
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: look at you know what Jack is typing out. He's
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: supposed to be writing a novel this entire time, which
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: within the first the first ten minutes of the movie
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: is the most interesting part of the movie to me,
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: that really gets overlooked by a lot of people that
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: are studying the movie because Alman, Stuart Alman, basically lays
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: out the entire plot of the movie in that first
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: ten minutes to Jack. You know, He's like, this isn't
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: a physically demanding job. This is more of a psychological
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: job because of the time that you're going to be
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: spending up here at the isolation that you're going to suffer.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: It's a difficult to get off the mountain. It snowed in,
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: like the snow is really bad. And then he goes
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: on to explain that you know what happened to Grady,
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: that Grady got you know, cabin fever or whatever and
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: then killed his family, which is exactly what ends up
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: happening to Jack. And then you have you know, Jack
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: writing this novel, but she's not really writing a novel.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: He's just writing the same sentence over and over and
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: over again, all working no play makes Jack dull boy
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: and Wendy comes in, then he becomes triggered, which is
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: there's so many real life examples of Qubrick movies like
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: influencing real life, which we bring up Sue lyon in
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: the movie as well with Lolita, and the same thing
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: that's that Lolita is about, which is basically about pedophilia,
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: is the exact same thing that's happening the Sue Lion
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: in real life from Kubrick's producer. Then you look at
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: a Clockwork Orange and the things that were going on
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: there when that movie got released, like Crime rose heavily
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: there was like there was you know, murders that was
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: called clockwork murders. We show all of the newspaper articles
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: in the movie. A flashes really fast, so it's difficult
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: for people to really get a good look at it.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: But and then Kubrick pulled the movie from a lot
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: of countries in the UK and a few other different
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: countries as well, and then you have the real life
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: scenario with The Shining and Shelley Duva. Basically the same
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: thing that happened to Sue Lyon with Lolita sort of
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: happened with Shelley Duvall besides the you know, the sexual
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: abuse and the pedophilia. But it basically ruined Shelley Duvall's
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: entire career from the abuse that she suffered by Stanley Kubrick,
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: just as it ruined Sue Lyon's career decades earlier with Lolita.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: What did that?
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: What did that abuse entail?
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Do you know? To watch the making of The Shining
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: by Vivian Kubrick, He's screaming at her, He's yelling at her.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: It's actually embarrassing to watch. You feel nothing but sorrow
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: for Shelley in the movie. But he was he was
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: that way. I heard from somebody inside that the first
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: day of shooting of Eyes White Shut, Stanley came up
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: to him, so, oh, we're shooting something. Comes to Tom
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Cruise and said, we're shooting a special scene to date.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a dream sequence, not in the script.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Tom goes, okay, well, what do we do it? He says,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you're going to dress up like a woman and you're
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: going to model in front of the He said what
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: he said? Yeah, he dressed him up with with fishnet
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: stockings and a mini skirt and a wig and everything,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: put make up all over Tom Cruise. And then Tom
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Cruise pranced on a runway in front of the whole
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: crew that was shooting the movie for like eight hours,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and do it again.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Let's do that.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Say it. What was he doing? He was taking this big,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: huge movie star, reducing him down, right, and you're not
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: gonna be the big guy on this set. I'm the
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: big guy on this set, right, And he embarrassed Tom
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Cruise in front of all the guys. And yeah, yeah
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: he Kubrick would do anything to get the shot. I
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: mean every good director would do anything to get the shot. Yeah.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I had read about the making of eyes while I
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: said how he separated Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise for
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: their sort of uh you know, like like Nicole Kingman
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: had that scene with the naval officer, you know, the
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: sex scene, and and he did it on purpose to
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: sort of torment Tom Cruiser.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: He didn't see what was going on, and uh yeah,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: he he There's.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: There's a lot there's a lot of stuff that Kubrick
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: seemed to do that and and that's kind of I
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: was gonna kind of save this for the end and
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: and and we'll keep it for the end. But my question,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: my question when we're done sort of going through all
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: this is I want to ask you guys later what
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: your your you're sort of verdict is on Kubrick, because
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: that's the big question for me always is was he
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: was he black hat or white hat?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Was he?
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Was he the good guy trying to sort of spill
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the beans and and wake people up or you know
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But but first I want to
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: go back. I don't want to go I don't want
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: to go past this because this is important. Just Catcher
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: and the Rye M. K Ultra sort of idea because
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: you mentioned Dave McGowan and he wrote a book called
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Program to Kill about serial killers connected into a lot
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: of these sort of conspiracies, and the I read Tom
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: O'Neil's Chaos, the book about the Charles Manson story, and
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: it sort of don't I don't want to say confirmed,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: but like to me, it confirmed a lot of theories
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: that went around about Manson being involved with some of
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: the ABC's and these organizations, that maybe they were teaching
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: him how to do these kinds of things, and the
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: whole idea of Catcher in the Rye, which after watching
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: uh Kubrick's Outyssey three, I read Catcher in the Rye
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: for the first time ever, and I to be honest,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I was kind of blown away. And I read it
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: without without I read it without because you guys talk
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: about Joseph Attwill and some of his theories about the
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: book being a sort of coded free Masonic ritual, And
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: when I read the book, I didn't know.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I did no idea what Catching the Rye was about.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I've I've talked about it a million times because it
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: comes up in all these conspiracies, but I had no
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: idea what it was about. And I read it and
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: my my jaw drop because my reaction when I read
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: it was that it's it seemed to me like it
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: was a version of American Psycho the movie. It seemed
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: like that where this guy's lines of the dream world
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: and the real world are blurring, and like, is he
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: murdering people?
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Is he not?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: And when I went online to read what people's interpretation
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: of this book, they're like, Oh, it's about the loss
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: of innocence and a man getting older. And I was like,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about, Like, this is like a
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: dark ass book, and I see why why people connect
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: this in with a lot of this dark stuff. But writer,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: were you saying that the beginning the first shot we
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: see of what's going on here? You know, it's when
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: when Stuart Allman is talking to Jack Nicholson and you
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: all and meanwhile you see Shelley Deval's character reading Catcher
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: in the Rye. Because you're saying J. D. Salinger you
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: said he was an intelligence asset or an agent or
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, he was.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: In the book was found on two of the major assassinations,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: won the attempted assassination on Ronald Reagan, which so interesting
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: because John Hinckley Junior is out of prison.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he just got out recently, right, and he has
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: a YouTube channel.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, and something else that's really weird,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: and this this might be relevant to the sort of
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: synchronisticism angle of everything is. I did a show in
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: July focusing on the date of July sixteenth, because a
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: lot of heavy ritualistic type events line up for that date.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: We've got the Trinity test of the first atomic bomb
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: testing in nineteen forty five. You've got the launching of
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Apollo eleven, and you've got the release of Eyes Wide Shut,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: which Kuberck had it contractually releasing July sixteenth, nineteen ninety nine,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: and anniversary exactly and the other When I was doing
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: that show, I was sort of researching, trying to figure out,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: like why is it important?
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: What does it matter? And there were some couple ideas
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I floated out there.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: If you look at the from a jamare perspective, you've
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: got the date of seven sixteen, and if you sort
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: of jamatria that out, you've got seven and one plus
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: six seven, so seven seven and then number seventy seven
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: represents like this sort of connection to the divine and
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: spiritual awakening and stuff and catchering the Rye also released
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: on seven sixteen, and and I didn't know what to
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: make of all that, And then I watched the documentary
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: you guys put together, and I'm now, I'm now my
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: mind is racing with all these sort of theories of
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: MK ultra because we know that the intelligence agencies were
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: dabbling in sort of pseudo scientific circles, trying to connect
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: dots with with making weapons and mind control and all
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: that stuff. And then on top of all that, you know,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: you've got the John, the John Lennon connection to the
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: UFO stuff because Mark David Chapman thought he was sort
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: of being used to facilitate this battle of extraterrestrials of
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: good Nebel. It just opens up this massive, this massive
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: can of worms with the Catcher in the Rye thing.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: So I'm glad you guys dove deep into that because
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I never even talked about that before.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: I never even caught that in the book.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because of sweet Kubrick has Danny and Wendy
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: dressed up in red, white and blue on costume while
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: she's reading Catcher in the Rye, which, again, you know
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: what is he saying here? Right? He knew that to
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Catcher in the Rye in nineteen eighty seventy nine when
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: he made the film, was part of the m k
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Ultra program. If he knew that, how much more did
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: he know? Right? And even further, JD. Salinger was he
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: was in Germany debriefing the Nazis who were coming over
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: on Operation paper Clip.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: That was his job.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: He could speak like six different languages and he was
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: debriefing them. He was part of Operation paper Clip, which
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: is part of NASA, which is part of Once you start,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: once you open up the door, it just becomes unbelievable
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and dark journalists. By the way, he just did a
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: show like last week, an hour and a half show,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: which is a must watch about all of this. He's
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: connecting the Dell Show Aerospace Club from California in the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: eighteen seventies to NASA. There's actually a to Aerospace to
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: assassinations to MK Ultra and it's all part of the
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: same thing and it all occurred with Operation paper Clip
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: and J. D. Salager was part of that. Wow.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, that is interesting because when I wrote my.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Looking back on it's very amateur because I was early
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: in my journey of trying to understand everything when I
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: wrote Kuber's Code, which was my attempt to talk about
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: symbolism found in two thousand and one shining clockwork, RNs
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: and eyes white shut, I had I remember connecting some dots,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: but I wasn't able to take it all the way out.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: And now that I'm watching your guys's documentary, I'm like, Okay,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: this all makes a lot more sense. Like one example
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: was I pointed out the strange amount of ladders that
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: you see in the Overlook Hotel. I mean, they're freaking everywhere,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: and some of them are there like there's no purpose
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: for a ladder to be where they're at.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: And I thought, gosh, I don't.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: All I can think of is like the free Masonic
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: symbolism of the ladder and you know, ascending through the
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: ranks and all that stuff. But when you when you
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: start digging into a lot of the stuff, you like,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: you guys found some pretty interesting almost built too many beans,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: but you guys found some interesting symbolism in uh in
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: the shining on the walls and things like this.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: You know the lights on the walls look like elevens.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: There's several eleven symbolism. You got the twins that are elevens.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: There's double doors.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: The double doors up into Room two thirty seven are
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: double doors. All of the hallway doors double doors, which
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: is symbolic of eleven, and you know in the Twins.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: And it's it's just eleven film. The Shining is interesting
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and eleven is a super cult number. It's it's about
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: the splitting, and Crowley wrote a lot about eleven. And
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I don't forget it was flight eleven that hit the
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: trade center, right.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think even the if you
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: you know how there's that the Shining poster that's yellow
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: and it seems to have like a I don't even
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: know how to describe it, like a child's face, and
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: but it's actually like two elevator doors, you know. So
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: there's kind of like another eleven that I never understood.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: The Shining poster, the yellow poster, because it doesn't look
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: like Danny, doesn't really look like anything.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: It's just a strange poster.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: It is the big t the big giant tea that
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: looks like it's just the weirdest poster. I heard Kubrick
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: designed it, so I'm not sure what he had in
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: mind for that, but he has Masonic symbolism all over
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the place.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: And do you think that do you guys think that.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: That the because I know there's a part of the film,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the documentary where you guys talk about these people in Denver, right,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: because Stuart Allman keeps talking about Jack's employers. And then
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: in the film there's a part where Jack or not Jack,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Stuart Allman's saying, Yeah, all the finest people stay here,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: and it seems like it's a really sort of coded
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: reference to maybe two classes of people or a sort
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: of secret society in there. Do you think that that
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: this is referring to the Freemasons or do you think
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: it's referring to an Illuminati or something entirely different.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: What's your guys to take on that?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Well, the most powerful, the most powerful people in the
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: world have a secret society that's located in Denver. The
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: CIA is relocating as we speak to Denver from Langley, Virginia. See,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Denver has always been the second biggest CIA outpost in America.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Now it's turning into the first. And I'm pretty sure
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: that's what Huban's talking about.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there there is an occult group that I have
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: touched on, but only briefly because they're so dangerous. That is,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: some of the most powerful people in the world, and
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: they meet every year in Denver in the summer.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Is this something akin to like a Bohemian grove type festival,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: only higher much Interesting?
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Interesting, because I'm pretty sure Arthur C. Clark was
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: part of it.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Is there a name of this group or you just
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: don't want to say it because you don't want that They.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Don't want anyone to know they exist. But I know
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: they exist because I know one of their members. Wow.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Do you think this is related to the all the
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: conspiracies about the airport?
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, it's completely related. It's related to Joan Bennet Ramsey.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, I just watched those documentaries too on Netflix
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: about John and a Ramsey.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a cover up, that's a BS story.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Okay yeah, okay, man, okay, now okay, now you got
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: me something to try to figure out this thing.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Ryder and I can make five more movies just unwrapping
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the connections between aerospace, A cult Stanley. It's once you
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: start unraveling it actually becomes unbelievable.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Please do I I'll line up the c five of these.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Can we even point out in the film that Stanley
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: lived in Pasadena in nineteen forty exactly when l Ron
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Hubbard and Jack Parsons are doing their weird research where
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: in Pasadena.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Right right, and and you know there's there's also kind
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: of unrelated but in the Shining, they're one of the
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: things I saw in there that I have yet to
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: sort of find a good theories the why it's there.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: When Wendy is in the kitchen, on the refrigerator, you'll
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: see there's a photo of a rocket taking off, and
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: it just seems at a place, I mean, there's no
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: reason why you would put a photo of a rocket
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: taking off on your kitchen fridge. It's not like it's
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: children's artwork. And uh, you know that that could be
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: fitting to a Jack Parson's reference, I don't know.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: Also in the boiler room too, whenever Wendy is down there,
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: there's a poster on the back of the wall that
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: says choking. And then right after that is when she
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: goes up upstairs and Jack is you know, having his
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: dream or whatever, and wakes up out of his dream
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: and tells her that he had the dream that he
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: killed her and Danny, and then Danny comes down and
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: then Danny, you know, Wendy is like, did you hurt
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: Jack or whatever? So it's like it's foreshadowing. Cubriic does
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: so much foreshadowing during the during the entire movie. I mean,
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: there's a baseball bat. Do you remember whenever Jack. One
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: of the more interesting scenes of The Shining is when
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: Jack goes in looks like the model of the maze
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: and then that shot fades into the outside. It's one
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: of the wildest shots of the entire movie. Well, right,
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: whenever he's going by the couch, there's a baseball bat
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: on the couch, and he does that throughout the movie.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: There's several of those, like the Teddy Bear as well.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: The Teddy Bear in the beginning of the movie whenever
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: Wendy's whenever the doctor comes to visit Danny and Wendy
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: at their apartment in Boulder, Danny's laying on Teddy Bear,
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: and then you have Teddy Bear. There's a picture of
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Teddy Bears in their apartment room. Then later on, whenever
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: Wendy goes through her trauma of Jack trying to kill
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: her and she's been essentially mind fractured by the trauma,
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: then she sees the guy in the bear costume upstairs
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: with the other guy that he's performing is you know,
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: sexual acts presumably on them. So Kubrick is a genius
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: in that way have like foreshadowing events to later on
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: to happen, not only through the dialogue of the characters,
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: as we've pointed out, but through like symbolism as well,
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: by just hiding things throughout the movie that you will
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: never even notice unless you've watched it a freaking hundred times.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: You're right, I haven't caught any of that.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: The the what's interesting is that the Teddy Bears, which
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: comes up later in Eyes Wide Shut, which has that
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: big I'm sure you guys are familiar with, the big
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: ending scene with the child seems to be taken away
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: from members of this sort of secret group. Their child gets,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: you know, possibly trafficked, and there's all these Teddy Bears around.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: The two actors that are at the end of the
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: hallway where the little Tom Cruise's daughter is walking down
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: through the Teddy Bears, they're in the they're at the
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Sydney Pollock party, those two guys.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Right right right, they're at the party.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Now they're here waiting for her, and hardly anybody ever
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: sees this, but there's teddy bears all over Lolita too.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: By the way, in Lilita's bedroom there's a teddy bear.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And of course we know the teddy bear is a
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: universal symbol for what pedophilia, so.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: A lot of roads lead on that.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: But there's an interesting thing. I don't know if you
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: can see it on YouTube, but I've seen it only
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: one time, and the filmmaker took the shining and he
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: split the screen and he ran one screen backwards from
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the end to the beginning and the other screen from
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: the beginning to the end right, and you watch them
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: at the same time, and it really shows what writer's
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: talking about because they literally mirror each other. Literally, the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: movie mirrors itself going backwards and forward. And you got
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: to wonder what kind of genius could do that.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's a film of perfection.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: And I took martial arts from a really young age,
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: since I was four years old, and learned a lot
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: of discipline from there. But my masters and my teachers
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: always told me that you haven't perfected anything unless you
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: can do your forms and your cottage.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: Backwards as well as forwards. So that's that's a crowd.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: I've seen that too. Jay. Like they I think they
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: actually just overlay it.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: They overlay the movie going forward, and then they overlay
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: it going backwards, and then everything just perfectly lines up.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: But there's another thing that equates to a lot of
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: symbolism as well, which is one of the things that
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: I seen that nobody else had ever seen in the Shiny,
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: which is when Jack sets up from he gets up
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: from the bar and the second time they're in the
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: gold Room, after he takes the drink from Lloyd the bartender,
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: and he gets up and there's this lady that walks
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: right in behind him that has like a handprint, what
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: looks like a handprint on her ass. And she's actually
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: the one that bumps into Grady. Yeah, she's the one
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: that actually bumps into Grady in order for Grady to
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: spell the alcohol on Jack. And this you can see
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: this same type of handprint two decades later in UH
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: Castaway with UH Tom Hanks with the bloody handprint on
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: Wilson the volleyball. It's the same type of four pring
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: fingered handprint that's on Wilson that's on the back of
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: this lady's dress and you can get into all the
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: stuff about.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And I would contend that the other the other big
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: film director that has intelligence ties is Roberts and mecchis
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: the guy that made Castaway, and I could get into
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: that sometime, but I'm not going to do now. But
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: it's just weird because he's got enough stuff in his
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: movies to make you think, hmm, what does this guy know?
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: And Kubric has more than enough to make you wonder
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: what he knows.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: So Mecchas is the guy did Back to the Future, right, yep, okay,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot going on there.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: There's always like this weird sexual element that they hide
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: in plain sight.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Like even in Back to the Future, it's on the
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: marquee of this little innocent small town that's like, I
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: don't remember the title of the movie, but it's some
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: clearly pornographic movie that they're playing, which that used to
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: happen back in the day.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I'm old enough to remember that.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: But it's interesting because in Lolita there is this scene
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: where Quilty and Humbert are sort of like the you know,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: humbers got ready to shoot him. He's Quilty, who plays
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: the sort of procure of you know, sexual favors. He
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: says something to the effect of how he could have
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: humbered attend and watch executions. He says something about how
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: he could have a person be used as a piece
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: of furniture, which it seems so out of place coming
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: from way back then when that movie was made. But
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I remember watching it during the heydays of twenty twenty
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: and all the wild theories about Wayfair and human trafficking
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: being done on the website, and I don't know, the
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: whole thing always seems to sort of float around these
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: these same themes over and over of sex, of various
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: forms and occult sort of concepts, like it just seems
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: like they're always in there, even with the reverse that
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: you're talking about, the shiny being played forward and reverse.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: That's a major theme in Twin Peaks. I don't know
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: if you guys are into Twin Peaks or not, but okay, yeah,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: like the reverse speaking they do in the in the lodges.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of peaks, like the number eleven. It's duality, right,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: and it was a brilliant filmmaker, and Twin Peaks is
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: just so over the top grade I don't even know
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: what to say.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I first watched it just maybe two years ago,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: and I watched it. I said, I don't know how
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: it took me this long to watch this show. This
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: is insane and I've been just obsessing over it. I'm
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: writing the book about it right now. But it's it's
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: this massive endeavor I've been working on. And yeah, I
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's right in there, because from what
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: I understand, when Kubrick started filming The Shining, he the
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: first day screened eraser Head for.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Everybody who is on the cast, but so it was important.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the point, is like we're talking about
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: similar things, this this sort of Kubrick David Lynch world
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: of of making into entertainment.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Kubrick walked out of Eraserhead and I can't remember who
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: it was he walked out, and he said, well, what
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: did you think? He goes that was Ef Ingenius.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: I love it so so that that that we're gonna
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: start wrapping up. But I do want to get your
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: guys' take on on Kubrick. Is there is the jury
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: out or do we know definitively? Is he a good guy?
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Was he a bad guy?
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Was he a mix of the two? What do you
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: guys think, just.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Like any human, he's a mix of the two. He
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: made mistakes and you know, and me definitely, we were
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: actually very nice to him, I'll be honest with you,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: because of our respect for him as a filmmaker. But
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: we found out a lot of dirt and we didn't
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: put it in and I think that was the right move.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: But you know, I'll just leave you with this. When
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: he died, his chauffeur wrote a book about Stanley. It's
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: a really good book actually, And when Stanley died, the
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: chauffeur came home from the funeral. He and Stanley the
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: only ones had key to Stanley's big office and he
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: opened up the door and there was like seven guys
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: ransacking Stanley's office and he doesn't know how they got
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: in there. And they took away a lot of stuff,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: cases of big cases of Stanley's archives and and everything.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: So we have to assume that was EG agency of
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: some kind and they were doing exactly to Stanley what
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: they also did to Tesla and he died, you know,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: came in and took all this stuff. Wow.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, I can respect that. I think it's a fair,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: fair take. What do you think writer, Well.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: You can relate that to some other people, like you know,
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein, p did he like a lot of these
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: types of people that almost the same thing has sort
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: of happening happened to them. But it's theory and speculation.
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: That's a big reason why we didn't put a lot
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: of the stuff in our film about him and his
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: darker side, because there's it's a lot of.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Speculation.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: So let me let me tell you this, because this
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: is we're talking about high weirdness and stuff. Stanley Kubrick
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: died exactly six hundred and sixty six days before January first,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: two thousand and one. Well, that's pretty weird by anybody's account.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: It makes me think that it might have been a
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: fake death because it's just such a coincidence. But here's
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: what's really weird. Stanley was a chess champion. Six hundred
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: and sixty six days before he died. Kasparov lost to
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: the computer. The first time that the computer ever beat
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: a human being was exactly six hundred and sixty six
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: days before he died.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: So it's.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: That was here that you have to start wondering, is
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: is it fake, is it planned? Or is it the
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: simulation that we're living in and I can't.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I know, I struggle with that too, and I think,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: you know, Cooper was I don't. I don't know if
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: he was working with the Spielberg's film AI yet at
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: this point or not. But the AI thing plays a
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: role in all of this, with you know, Intelligences Extraterrestrial
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: and you know, you got two thousand and one, which
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: obviously is a variation on that. And I did hear
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: I did read somewhere about Kubrick was trying to film
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: a big budget porn film at one time. I believe
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I read that in the making of Eyse Why Shut Book.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: So his dream was to shoot a seventy millimeter big
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: budget porn movie that would be the ultimate porn movie.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: And I have a feeling that one of the things
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: that we didn't bring up in the movie, think thankfully,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: was that Kubrick had two luxury apartments in New York
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: City in the fifties when he had not had a
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: hit film, and people have to ask himsel a little
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: how was he financing all of this. He didn't have
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: a hit film till Spartacus, so that was nineteen sixty.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: So you know, there are answers to those questions, but
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think we wanted to answer him in the movie.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I wanted one of my main things was I wanted
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Vivian Kubrick to not hate me anymore. So I want
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: so I hope that she loves this movie. And if
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: you do, Vivian, give me an email and we'll talk.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: Right on.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Well, well, I want to thank you guys for your time,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me. If we can go around real quick,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: let's start with Rider. Where can the audience grab the film?
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Where can they find you on social media? Find your podcast,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: all that stuff.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: You can purchase the film on Amazon Prime. Just type
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: into Clockwork Shining, Cuber's Honesty three or just a Clockwork
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: Shining will work as well. And if you can't get
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: it in your country, you can also find it on
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: Apple tv Plus as well. And you can find my
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: work on Raize by Giants on YouTube and Inni and
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: all podcast platforms.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having a song, brother, Absolutely what
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: about you Jay?
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Also, we'll be up on Vimeo for international audiences probably
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: within a couple of weeks, so apologize everybody for not
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: getting it up faster. I have a show on YouTube
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: called Reality check. You can check it out. I'm wider
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: dot com. How's all my free stuff? And you can
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: watch all my movies at gaya or on Amazon awesome.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: And like I said before, I highly recommend all of
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: these things. You guys have have have tapped into one
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: of my early inspirations for all this. So I was
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: very excited for the show and I'm I'm so thrilled
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: you guys put Kubrick's Oussey three together.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I was waiting for.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, it must have been twelve years for this,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: So thank you very much for putting that together and
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I look forward to hopefully, hopefully you guys can knock
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: out five more.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, hopefully. All right, Well, thanks again for
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  Speaker 3: your time, appreciate it, see you later. Well, there we go.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: If you want to know the whole, I mean, we
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: barely scratch the surface on their documentary, you got to
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: go watch a clockwork shining Kubrick's Odyssey three.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Get it on Amazon or Apple TV plus. Jay said
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: it's coming soon to Vimeo. Uh, it's very good.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I watched I stream it as quick as I found it.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: I was like done buying this, I'm watching it and
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: it was great. You can also check out Rider. These
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  Speaker 2: podcasts Raised My Giants. He's got on all the podcast platforms,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: and he's got a YouTube channel. He's got tons of
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  Speaker 2: great interviews on there. He's got interviews with some of
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: the people that ran Stargate. I mean, and we're gonna
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: have him back on. I'm gonna have a Rider come
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: back on and talk to us about Stargate because he's
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: got just a hell of a lot of research.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: And then Jay Widener is a legend as well.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: He's got a YouTube channel, reality Check, and you can
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: check out his stuff at his website, Jay Widener dot com.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: I'll have links in the show notes where you can
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: follow these guys and catch up on all the stuff. Well,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: go check out the video, see what you think. Till
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  Speaker 2: next time, Stay positive,