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- caylee pt3 edited: July the fifth, two thousand eleven, Tuesday, Orlando. The jury's been out since a little afternoon the day before, about ten and a half hours deliberating across two days. And Judge Belvin Perry, he tells the courtroom the verdict will be read at two fifteen. So twelve people from Pinellas County come back in. Six, seven women, five men. Casey Anthony is at the defense table with her lawyers, where she has been for six weeks. And the clerk reads count one. First degree murder. We, the jury, find the defendant not guilty, so say we all. As I always do. I'm gonna stop the clerk right there on the first two words. Because to understand how a jury got to those two words, we are going to sit through the six weeks that came before them. The promises both sides could be making on the first day, the science in front of a jury for the first time. A grandmother on the witness stand, a father accused in an opening statement, and defendant who never said a word. So we are going to talk about it. Tuesday, May 24, 2011. Opening statements in the Orange County Courthouse in Orlando. The jury was sworn four nights earlier in Clearwater and has been brought here and sequestered. And Linda Burdick goes first for the state. She tells the jury: the only evidence of a cause of death is three pieces of duct tape over Kaylee's nose and mouth. There's no reason, no other reason for the placement of multiple pieces of duct tape on this child's nose and mouth. And she she keeps asking the same question. Where is Kaylee Marie Anthony? And she tells them the state's theory of why. No one else benefited from the death of Kaylee. Her death verdict says, allow Casey to go live the good life for at least 31 days. Then Jose Baya stands up. And he tells the jury something nobody in the country had heard before. Okay. She was never missing. Kayleigh Anthony, he says, died. On June 16th, 2008, when she drowned in her family's swimming pool. He lets her know that Casey came around the corner and saw George Anthony holding Kaylee in his arms and that George took her and told her, Look at what you've done. And then he goes further. He tells the jury George had sexually abused Casey when she was eight. And he said, These ugly secrets will slowly come out in this trial. And he questions whether the meter reader found the remains of Where he said he did or moved them. And he said this is not a murder case. He says Casey should have called 911. That's what she's guilty of. And listen, let's understand something about a trial, all right? Because it is the thread of this whole part. An opening statement is a promise. Each lawyer is telling the jury what the evidence will show. Burdock, promise, duct tape, and emotive. Promise a drowning of father who found her and ugly secrets that would come out slowly. Now hold on to those promises because the verdict is going to depend on which once got kept. And one more thing in a criminal trial in this country, only one side has to keep its promise. The state has to prove what it said. The defense, they don't got to prove nothing. So that same afternoon, the state calls George Anthony, a prosecutor, Jeff Ashton. He just wants to know Did you molest your daughter? No, sir. Were you present when Kaylee Anthony died? No. And when I heard that today, it hurt really bad. And he says the opening statement was the first he had ever heard of a drowning. His lawyer later he called the defense claims lies and idle speculation. And the defense would never put a witness on the stand to back up the abuse claim. Hold that one too. So the state's first job is the 31 days from part one, told under oath. And on May 25th, the jury hears from the ex-boyfriend Tony Lazaro, from two roommates, and from the neighbor Brian Verner, who says she borrowed his shovel to dig up a bamboo root. Girl, you ain't digging up nothing. Stop the lies. Stop the lies, Casey. But Lazaro describes her during those weeks as the way she was every day. A photo even goes into the evidence of Casey at a hot body contest, child hot body wear. At the Fusion Club nightclub in Orlando. I don't like this lady. Okay? If y'all ain't tell, I don't like this lady. And she a Pisces. I don't like this lady. On May 31st, the jury hears the 911 calls. Remember the ones we talked about in part one? Where Cindy says it smells like a dead body in the damn car? Well, Cindy Anthony is on the stand while they play it. And she tells the jury the smell in the car was pretty strong, but I just lost it. I just went into the room and started yelling at Casey. And she says that the dead body line was just a figure of speech. How many times have y'all used that as a figure of speech? Just let me know. So on June the 1st, her son Lee, Casey's brother, testifies. And he says nothing was making sense to me. Why couldn't anybody get Kaylee and bring her home? And then on June 14th, the jury meets a tattoo artist named Bobby Williams. And he testifies how on July the 2nd, 2008, in the middle of the 31 days, Casey Anthony got herself a tattoo, baby girl. Two words Bella Vita. Italian for beautiful life. And Williams, he's asked so what was Casey's move like? He said normal, happy, not seeming to be upset or anything. And I'm just giving you those flat, the way part one gave the dates, right? Because the state gave them to the jury as a mother who did not care. And the defense gave them to the same jury as a woman in denial. You already know which one I believe, and we're gonna talk about it more later, okay? But But now let's stick to the facts. Let me stop making so much of my personal commentary. I'm so but I don't like this lady. Did I tell you that? So part two was the science and getting that in the door. This is the science walking through it. Okay. And the defense meeting it every step. So Saturday, June the 4th, FBI hair examiner Karen Lowe testifies that the single hair from the trunk. She says that it had a darkened band at the root portion of the hair, consistent with apparent decomposition. And on cross, she She says what she cannot say. I couldn't say how the hair got there. It's consistent with transfer or contact of some sort, but I don't know from whom. So then Monday, June the 6th, Dr. Rpid Vass, the scientist from Oak Ridge, he tells the jury what happened when he opened that can of air from the trunk. And he said he had to jump back a foot or two, that the smell, the odor was overwhelmingly strong. Then Tuesday, June the seventh, an FBI chemist, Michael Rockenbach, says that he found residue of chloroform in the trunk liner and the spare tire cover. He does not give the amounts, but he agrees that the household cleaners can hold small similar amounts. And the same day, the cadaver dog handler, Deputy Jason Forge, testifies that his dog alerted in the trunk and in the backyard near the playhouse and did not alert on a second visit. And so Bias tells him, Child, you were just speculating. So then June the 8th happens, and a computer forensics expert, John Dennis Bradley, he testifies about the surgeries on the Anthony Family computer in March 2008. And he says a website about chloroform had been visited 84 times. And I want y'all to keep that number in your head because it's gonna fall apart, and the jury is never going to hear it fall apart. So Thursday, June the 9th, photographs of Kaylee's skull with the tape are shown to the jury. my gosh. Perry orders the photos blurred on the broadcast feed, and a witness describes the tape as lightly adhered to the jaw. And Casey Anthony becomes ill in the courtroom. And Perry recesses earlier. Now, this show does not show those photos, and it is not going to describe them past what I just said, okay? Kaylee is the center of this series, and she's not the evidence here. So Friday, June the 10th, Dr. Jan, the medical examiner, he takes the stand. And the same words for From her she takes a stand in the same words from her December two thousand eight press conference, homicide caused undetermined. She said it's very difficult when the body is that decomposed to say why they died. And then she says the two sentences the state built its case on. There is no child that should have duct tape on its face when it dies. And accidental deaths are reported 100% of the time unless there's reason not to. So during the medical testimony, the state shows a video that lays a photo of Kaylee over the image of a skull and the tape. Bias, he calls it a disgusting super superimposition, nothing more than a fantasy. And an anthropologist tells the jury that there was no evidence of trauma. So then on June 13th, a FBI latent print examiner Elizabeth Fontaine testifies that she found no fingerprints on the three pieces of tape and that she saw a dime-sized heart-shaped residue on one of them. That was never photographed and was gone after testing. And then on June 14th, Cindy Anthony tells the jury she had not seen Kaylee's Winnie the Pooh blanket since May 2008, and a very similar blanket was found with the remains. So then on June 15, 2011, Wednesday, after 19 days of testimony and more than a hundred and thirty pieces of evidence, the state rests. And here's a little bit of law where it bites, okay? Because when the prosecution finishes the case. The defense can ask the judge for a judgment of acquittal, which is basically a request to end it now. There's not enough here for a jury. So remember part two? In 2011, in a case built on entirely on the circumstantial evidence, Florida's old rule, a judge had to grant that motion that if the state had not ruled out every reasonable version of innocence. And this was the moment that rule could have ended the case. But defense attorney. Cheney Mason argues it. So there's no evidence to establish when the child died, where she died, or how she died. But Perry denies it. He says the state has established substantial competent evidence for the jury. These, he says, are strictly cases for the jury to decide. So here is where the law sits on June the 15th, right? A judge has looked at everything the state has and has said a reasonable jury could convict on it. That's not the same as saying a jury should. A judge saying There is enough to decide that there's a floor. Reasonable doubt, however, is a ceiling, and the jury is the only one who gets to say whether they believe the state reached it. So then on Thursday, June 16, 2011, the defense begins their case three years to the day after the last time anyone other than Casey Anthony is known to see Kaylee alive. And it answers science with science. So an entomologist, Dr. Tim Hunting, says that if a body had been in that trunk, you would expect to find hundreds, if not thousands. Thousands of blow flies. And on cross he omits the car still smelled two years later. And a forensic pathologist, Dr. Werner Spitz, he tells the jury that the autopsy should have opened the skull. He says the skull, the head is part of the body, and when you do an autopsy, you examine the whole body. And he thinks that the duct tape was a later event, not an earlier one. So then a botanist named Dr. Jane Box says that the remains could have been in the woods for a little two weeks and concedes on cross that That they could have been there longer. And then a chemist from the University of Central Florida, Michael Sigmund, says of the trunk air that the pattern was gasoline. And looking more closely, we saw chloroform. Now he could not conclusively find human decomposition. And then on June 27th, Kenneth Borton, the defense chemist from part two, he says there's no scientifically validated method or instrument for identifying decomposition from chemical compounds alone, while agreeing that something decomposed in that trunk. And then on June 23rd, the defense calls Cindy Anthony. And she tells the jury she ran the searches in March 2008. She said, I started looking up chlorophyll. I was concerned about my Yorkie. I didn't look up how to make chloroform. I looked up chloroform. And then she said, I didn't do 84 searches of anything. So that's the grandmother under oath, taking the searches onto herself. And I want you to hold on to what the state does with that in the Rebuttal. Okay. So the last two weeks of June, they're all about the Anthony family. And the courtroom gets ugly enough that on June 20th, Perry tells Baez and Ashton enough is enough, and both sides need to be forewarned. So then on the weekend of June 25th, after defense motion, Perry signs an emergency order, and three psychologists examine Casey. And then on Monday, June 27th, he rules based upon the reports that the court has reviewed. The court will find the defendant is competent to proceed till the trial goes on. Yeah, she competent. She real competent. Trust me. She competent. She may be she a murderer, allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Don't go for me. Is she going for me? Will y'all will y'all help me out? Cause I'ma let that stand. I'ma let that stand. Allegedly. I'ma allegedly let that be allegedly stand. Allegedly. If I say allegedly enough, we'll override. Allegedly, allegedly. I don't know nothing. I don't know nothing. Both things are true. I don't know nothing. Okay. This lady. Tuesday, June 28th, Roy Kronk, let me read it from part one. He is defensive the questioned by the defense about August 2008. And he tells everybody he was never closer than 30 feet to that bag. And then about December, he says that he did genuinely pivot the skull up and but he never lifted it off the ground. And the defense suggestions that he moved those remains, it stays a suggestion. He denies it, and nothing in that trial ever makes it more than that. So then the defense calls George Anthony again and then again. And he denies telling a woman who had volunteered in the search that Kaylee's death was an accident. Because someone said that. He said that that conversation was never there. I never confided in any volunteers. And he also denies an affair with her. And he says, of the abuse allegation from the opening, I would never do anything like that with my daughter. I know this is not that this is me section, but I just want to say I believe women. I do. But child, I believe George, okay? I believe George. All right. Listen. Ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna lie to you. Kaylee and Sydney, not Kaylee, Casey and Sydney. Casey and her mama ran that house. I don't think George is able to do what he wasn't supposed to do by their own rules. I don't believe, I don't believe Casey. I don't believe Casey. Only Casey for a second about this. Okay. Casey is a liar. L I A R. And that is not allegedly because she actually got convicted on that. So I can't call her a liar. I can call her a liar with my whole chest and not take that back. So, no, allegedly. Casey Anthony is a convicted liar. Okay? And I believe that George Anthony ain't never do nothing like that with his daughter. I absolutely believe it. She's a liar. Okay? Believe women, but not this woman. If it's not, but I said it. Anyway, so George also says that. when the family pet died that he also buried them in plastic bags wrapped with duct tape. That's just another thing to mention. But then on June thirtieth, that woman, Crystal Holloway, she testifies that around the this is the volunteer, around Thanksgiving 2008, that George had told her it was an accident that snowballed out of control. And that when he looked up, he had tears in his eyes. And George Deniz is under oath, and that is basically where the record leaves that. So then the state answers Sydney. In a rebuttal, the chief compliance officer from her employer, Neva Gentiva Health Services, they testified that the company's records showed her logged in at work for most of March 17th and March 21st, 2008, and the days of the chloroform searches basically. And they said someone human was pushing the enter button to enter data. And her supervisor says she was on the clock 10 hours one day and nine the other. So You got a grandmother who's telling the jury under oath that she was one of the keyboard, but her own employer's record said, nah, homie, she was at work a week after the verdict. The prosecutor's office actually told Wesh that Sydney Anthony would not face perjury charges. So, mother, daughter. Anyway, so the Apple don't fall too far from the tree, you know. Luckily, Cindy got away without facing perjury charges. But yeah, I mean, look who raised her. Do y'all know this this girl? I like I think. What was it? I think she didn't graduate or something like that. And her parents, instead of being like, all right, let's let's like like let's figure this out, instead they put their efforts and their intentions into pretending for everybody else that she did like graduate or whatever when she didn't. Come on. Come on. This is the part, this is the third part. So I'm gonna be a little more free with my thoughts through some of this. Okay. And as I said in the first part, as y'all should know, like I'm 32 at this point. And so how long is that? How how many years is that? I'm bad at math. Don't don't judge me. Ain't gonna sit here. Okay. 18 years. Okay, sure. I got thoughts. I got thoughts and thoughts on thoughts and thoughts. My thoughts got thoughts. My thoughts got thoughts. It's a mind map. Okay. So Thursday, June 30th, 2011, before the defense rest, Perry asks Casey Anthony directly, is your decision not to testify based upon your decision, your consultation with your counsel? She says, Yes, sir. And she tells him that the choice is free and voluntary and the defense rests. We know that's her choice. Come on. So Six weeks after Jose Baez tells the jury about a drowning and a father and ugly secrets, and the only person who could have told that story from the inside chose not to. And NBC, they did put it plainly that the defense never produced any witnesses bolstering the abuse claim from the opening. But again, here is the law and here where it bites. Okay, because every defendant in this country, remember, we've been talking about this, has the right not to testify. And the law it goes further than that in 1965 in Griffin versus California. 380 US six nine, the US Supreme Court held that the Fifth Amendment forbids the prosecution from comm commenting on a defendant's silence, and it forbids the court from instructing a jury that silence is an evidence of guilt. So on July 4th, Perry he reads the jury for his instructions. Hey, listen, the defendant exercised the fundamental right by choosing not to be a witness in this case. You must not view this as an admission of guilt or be influenced in any way. By this decision, and I want you to think about what that does in this courtroom, right? Because bias, he promised a story, but the only witness to that story stayed silent. And the law says the jury may not hold her silence against her. So what the jury may do is notice that that promise was never backed by evidence. And those are two different things. And the line between them, that's the whole job of a juror. But the state's promise is different. The state does not get to stay silent, they gotta prove what they said. So We get to Sunday, July 30, 33th, 2011. Closing argument. Jeff Ashton goes first. And he says, Casey Anthony is very bright. Her lies are very detailed. Something needed to be sacrificed. That something was either the life she wanted or the life thrust upon her. And so then Baez opens with the question of how did Kaylee die? And he calls the state's case a fantasy of forensics. And he says, This is about a high profile case. And winning that and nothing else for them. And Channy Cheney Mason tells the jury Casey Anthony is not required to present evidence or prove anything. And at one point during Baez's Baez's closing, Ashton is actually seen with his hand over his mouth hiding a smile. And Baez he calls him out. He says, This laughing guy over here. So there's an objection and a recess. And Perry makes both lawyers apologize and warns about the attempt. And this is on a case about a dead two-year-old. For real, bruh. But also, like it's What's Jose bias? And I can see it. He wants to win the case. So Monday, July the 4th, Linda Burdock has the last word for the state. What do guilty people do? They lie, they avoid, they run. And she ends on two pictures. Casey smiling at a nightclub and the tattoo. And at the end of the case, all you have to ask yourself is whose life is better without Kaylee? And then she said, This is your answer. So then Perry reads the instructions. One sentence in them is the law thread of this whole part. A reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the defendant may arise from the evidence. Conflict in the evidence or lack of evidence. And the written instruction of finishes a thought. If you have a reasonable doubt, you should find the defendant not guilty. And three places doubt can come from, right? The evidence, a conflict in the evidence, or the lack. of it and remember the medical examiner certificate cause of death undetermined that's the third one so then at 1209 that afternoon the jury goes out and now we are back where we started July the 5th Tuesday 2011 a little after two in the afternoon I just hate that she got off but she didn't I have more thoughts I'm gonna say my thoughts let me give me second so the clerk has read the first count and we the jury find the defendant not guilty so say we all Aggravated child abuse? Not guilty. Aggravated manslaughter of a child? Not guilty. Then four times in a row, we, the jury, find the defendant guilty of providing false information to a law enforcement officer. The four lies from part one. The one crime, twelve strangers agreed on. So Casey breaks into tears. She embraces her lawyer. And across the room, the prosecutor is just shaking his head. And later it comes out that the jury's first vote on first degree murder was actually 10 to 2 for not guilty. Jose Baez tells Barbara Walters, really, the happiest moment came after the first not guilty because I knew I had saved her life. And the state attorney, Lawson Lamar, says we're disappointed in the verdict today because we know the facts. And he calls it a dry bones case. And one juror, Jennifer Ford, she talks to ABC under her own name. She says, I did not say she was innocent. If you cannot prove what the crime was, you cannot determine what the punishment should be. The sentence I think every person who was angry that summer needed to hear and didn't want to. The behavior is very bad, but bad behavior is not enough to prove a crime. NBC reported her saying the jurors were sick to their stomachs over it. In alternate, Russell said that definitely reasonable doubt for myself though. And you know what? The anger is real and it is ang. I have it too, okay? Y'all heard me like. sadness. Casey Anthony and the jurors, they got death threats. Perry, he holds back the juror's name for a cooling off period for about three months. And then on July the 7th, a Thursday, Perry sentences her on the four lies. One year for each count, consecutive $1,000 fine on each with credit for the time she had already served. And 10 days later at 12:14 in the morning on Sunday, July the 17th, 2011. She walks out of the Orange County Jail 33rd with $570.68 from her jail account. And Jose Baez is beside her and two deputies carrying rifles. So the number falls apart two weeks after the verdict. The 84 number. On July 19th, a report first published by the New York Times says John Bradley, the computer expert whose software produced the 84, found on Reanalysis that the chloroform website was visited once. And he told a prosecutor and a sheriff's sergeant in late June, and the jury never heard it. And the state attorney's office said it was dismayed as a suggestion that it would be withhold anything, that the discrepancy was discussed with Baez on June 27th, and that the defense used those facts at trial. And Bradley's own lawyer said he denied implying any wrongdoing. Now the rest Of 2011 is the system doing the things it can still do, right? Because on August 11th, the Florida Department of Children and Families closes their own report and concludes that she was responsible for Kaylee's death. That is an agency binding, not a verdict, and it doesn't change one. And then on August the twelfth, Perry orders her back to Orlando to serve a year of probation on the check case, saying that anything else would make me lawfully imposed sentence, a mockery of justice. And in September He orders to her to pay more than two hundred and seventeen thousand dollars in an investigation cost. And Florida writes a name, a law with Kaylee's name on it. Kayleigh's Law, House 37, signed April the sixth, 2012. Effective October the first. And it amends the same statute from part one, the eight thirty-seven point zero five five. It actually adds a subsection. If the missing person is a child sixteen or younger, And the child suffers great bodily harm, permanent disability, permanent disfigurement, or death. Giving false information to law enforcement is a third-degree felony. So a crime that was a misdemeanor with a maximum year, with a maximum of a year, it becomes one carrying up to five years in prison. And now listen, the law could not reach back to her. Okay, like some of us probably want to stop behind. But the constitution bars ex post facto laws. And in criminal law, that means that a state cannot raise the punishment for an act after the act is done. You are judged by the law that existed when you did it. So then on January 25th, 2013, Florida's Fifth District Court of Appeals, they throw out two of the four lying convictions. Double jeopardy. The Constitution says basically you cannot be punished for twice for the same offense. And the court held that each interview in which false information was given or repeated was one criminal episode. So two interviews, two convictions. And that same day, she goes ahead and go file for a chapter seven bankruptcy in federal court in Tampa, listing almost $800,000 owed to about 80 creditors and about $1,000 in assets. And then in September 2015, the bankruptcy judge throws out the defamation claim from the real Denida Gonzalez, ruling that the fabricated version of events did not implicate her in Kaylee's disappearance. So a lie that used the real woman's name, but a court said it didn't point at her. Both of those are also in the record. So now finally, we get to the part where Jekyll gets talk a little bit. Okay? Because in part one, I told y'all my opinion would come after you heard the defense. And I did interject some my opinion in it earlier. I apologize, but I couldn't help myself. But here it is. Of course I think she did it. And I think the state did not prove it. Both of those things for me are true, okay? And I don't need the second one to settle the first. Never do. Her behavior afterwards is everything at least J'Kaela needs to know. 31 days not calling anybody, a nightclub, a tattoo that says beautiful life. She did not give a damn about Kaylee, in my honest opinion. Not in the way she should have. I think she thinks she does. I truly believe in my heart of hearts that Casey has found some way in her messed up brain to justify what she has done. The same way this woman lies to everybody is the same exact way, if not worse, than she lies to herself. And honestly, I'd really call her a pathological liar. I'm that little guess that she comes across, not as a diagnosis. I can't diagnose anybody. But Casey makes up a story as easily as she breathes. Every time I hear someone who was in her life talk about her, I hear the same person, dishonest and out for herself every single time. And I don't even think she lies to hurt anybody. I don't think she knows any other way to be. And listen, my next thought is just me wondering. So take it as that, okay? Give me some, give me, give give me some grace, okay? 18 years has been a long time. We all have been. Okay, anyway. I think part of what drew Casey to having a baby was that a baby gave her family one more reason to keep taking care of her. Nobody's ever publicly identified Kaylee's father. Casey told different people different stories, including one about a man who died in a car crash. My personal opinion, she knows exactly who Kaylee Anthony Daddy is. And she will never say it. She will never say it. This woman, this this ain't some woman who doesn't know who she sleeps with. Kaylee and Casey Anthony knows exactly who she sleeps with. She's not I she does not strike me as the type to do a one-night stand and then forget who the person was. No, that's not her. She knows exactly who the daddy is or was, if he's still here. But I think at that time she especially didn't want to let anybody know because a father would have the same rights as she does. A father could get in the way. Now listen, I also do think that Casey loved Kaylee. But just not the way you're supposed to love your child. Because I think loving your child costs you something. It's not going to the club because someone has to watch her. You already heard where she was, you know, 31 days. And Jeff Ashton told that jury something had to be sacrificed. And I don't think Casey was ever going to let it be her. And as a mom, I don't understand that. Okay. the the movie Buddy? I'm pretty sure you probably watched the movie Buddy, okay? Buddies like the play on Barney or something like that. all a lot of us is moms. We would be that mother who who who was looking for that daughter, could not forget her child, who went into that TV. I guess the TV kind of grabbed her. But either way, we would be that mom, right? To go look for the kid. We don't even have we don't even remember. That is what I mean, the way you're supposed to love your child. Okay, even jump into a supernatural entity if it actually existed and trying to save your child. Okay, loving your kid cost you something, like I said. And Casey was never going to let it be her. And the record has a piece of this too, right? Because a sergeant who was at the house that night, Sydney called 911, testified he thought Casey was hiding candy from a grandmother who wanted custody. Her brother Lee told the jury their mother. Had numerous times thrown it in her face that she was an unfit mother. So I think the thing Casey couldn't live with was her mother taking Kaylee and then cutting her off. And listen, I'm not saying that's why Kaylee died or how the jury acquitted her, and nobody knows how Kaylee died. I'm just saying I think it was a part of it. To that family, literally, Casey was a monster to live with. Okay. She did what she wanted, and everyone else. Was just left to deal with it. And now, this is my opinion. It's not a verdict, and I want to be clear, just as clear about the second sentence as the first, okay? Twelve people sat through six weeks of this and they found the state had not proven it. The medical examiner could not say how Kayle died. Her lawyers told the judge there was no evidence of when, where, or how. The law says doubt can come from the lack of evidence, and there was a lack right where the cause of death should have been. And Jennifer Ford. She said bad behavior is not enough to prove a crime, and she's right about the law. I'm just telling you what I believe. Those are not the same thing. And this show exists because most people, I feel like, treat them like they are. And listen, the lawyer, I admire her. I admire, got her off. I have said it before in a different way, and I'll say it again here. I hate who he gets off. Watching him make the state keep every one of his promises is why I kind of want to go to law school, okay? So both. And here's the other thing I believe. I know this is a long, this is this is a long, this is me, okay? But it's been a long time, okay? Even though she was not convicted of what she did, I think she is paying a price. Because anytime she wants to live or lead a normal life, something in it will stop her. This lady is universally hated. No one needs to hurt her. I think she has had to he deal with hurt. On a daily basis. I have to believe, that she's wanted to fall in love at different times. And that there was someone somewhere that has stopped it. Either that person or someone in that person's life. Think about it. Think about it, right? Say you got a good old guy friend or a brother or your dad. Who knows? Okay. And they come to you and they say, I am dating Casey Anthony. we're breaking you up. We're breaking. This is not lasting. Think you're coming to the altar? No. No, no, you're not. Listen, I think that even some churches would have a hard time accepting Casey's child. I don't even think she can go to church. I ain't gonna lie to you. Okay. And that's just me speculating about her life. I don't know about, don't want to know about. I'm just saying as speculation, okay? I just do believe she will never be free from what she did, even though she's not convicted. And in its own way, I kind of see that as a kind of justice, okay? Not the court's kind. But the other kind. And then there's the 14 year old Dr. Phillips trying to figure out the city bus. I'm thinking about me a little bit. I don't know. I that girl, she wanted someone to be punished for happening Kaylee. And at that age, child, I didn't know the word acquittal. But the woman doing this episode, now I know the word. I know the rule that set Casey Anthony free is the same rule that will protect her or you from twelve people had already seen you on television. And I don't get to keep that rule only for people I like. None of us do. So Kaylee Marie Anthony, again, so beautiful. Man, she's supposed to be living her life, you know what I'm saying? But she was a two-year-old in a house on Hope Spring Drive with a pool ladder and Winnie the Pooh blanket. And her face was on every gas station wall in my city. And Kaylee Marie Anthony is a child. Whose death certificate still says homicide by undetermined means, whose mother was acquitted of killing her, and whose name is on a Florida law about the lie that kept everyone from looking for her for thirty one days. And I'm not gonna make those agree. The state of Florida could not, even, with everything they had. So again, Kayleigh Marie Anthony. I just want stay right here for a second. I said this in one of my other videos that I just don't believe that murder is natural. I don't I believe I there's something in my soul that just feels like murder is like the most unnatural thing we have here. I don't think we are supposed to kill each other. Of course we're all supposed to die. We will all die one day, but I do not think that we are supposed to kill each other. I wish we couldn't. I really wish we couldn't. If we couldn't, there wouldn't even be a need for death penalty because we couldn't kill each other anyway. So no one would be needing to die. I just wish that we could not do that to each other. So that is the end of the Casey Anthony set. The next long form set it follows the lawyer. In April 2017 in Massachusetts. A jury acquitted a former NFL player named Aaron Hernandez of a double murder with Jose Baez on his defense team. While Aaron Hernandez was already serving life for the killing of Odin Lloyd. Same lawyer, a different kind of both things. That is next.